/v/ - Video Games

>>16897536

>How are is everyone liking the new update?

It's dogshit, another content drip with hardly anything added

>you need to fight a bugged bossfight to get the artifacts instead of finding hidden areas

>This is something we have been looking forward to doing since the launch of Early Access. We primarily wanted to improve the visuals of the UI and finally get rid of the on-screen cursor for gamepad users. There are about a million changes with this change. Did anyone ask for this? No. Did it take a bunch of time? Yes. Was it worth it? No. Am I writing the patch notes? Yes. Is it at the top so you have to read it? Yes.

Hilarious.

>gearbox publishing

>anything good

I'll like it more when they get away from Gearbox.

>Update scheduled for march

>releases march 31st in the evening

Peak chutzpah

Fuck Hotpoo games and fuck gearbox

I prefer to have the artifacts scattered throughout hidden parts of a level like in the last game but ah well. Couldn't unlock a single artifact because rex is a glass cannon who got destroyed while I was grinding the keys and I shouldn't have been playing as them (its 2 entities) anyways.

They made a poll when it comes to adding a new character to the game, its being hosted on their discord.

All of the rest of the guys from ROR1 plus a brand new character is included in the poll.

OFC everyone is massively voting for sniper because discord is full of horny teenagers who want to jack off to more lewdish ROR2 fantart.

I voted for miner because I wanted him in, but he only had a humble 23 votes before I voted for him, meanwhile sniper had over 4 THOUSAND votes

>>16897645

Anon why are you so pessimistic holy shit.

>>16897650

>No Bandit

>No Enforcer

>Not even a new character

I enjoyed Sniper in ROR1 but I don't think he would be as fun as clearing whole screens of enemies in a 3D Environment.

I'd much rather a new character than revisiting the old myself, but I guess leave it to Discord to ruin everything.

>>16897660

Anon. Its been more than 2 hours. Have you seriously been complaining about a game that you actually don't even play?

Well its not like thats uncommon around here.

But if you don't actually want to play with other anons thats fine too I guess

>>16897660

Funny that you don't mention everything below, namely new skins for characters (that are not sold as DLC or in a cashop but are unlocked with gameplay) or the new variants of every character, which likely adds new skills to all of them, far more than having a new character would.

Plus, new monsters, bosses, stages, and more, all in a free update.

If you're going to complain just because they haven't added the character you want, you have a bias and your opinion is trash.

They are closer to Terraria devs, releasing free updates with new content to support their game and that should be the standard in the industry and that's praise-worthy.

>>16897769

>namely new skins for characters

FUCKING BASED AND REDPILLED HOLY SHIT THEY DIDN'T MAKE A CASHSHOP IN AN INCOMPLETE GAME LIKE KF2 DID

/OURDEVS/ CONFIRMED

Next praise them for adding muh lore instead of porting items from the first game.

>which likely adds new skills to all of them

Commando is still dogshit, all of his alternative skills and default ones.

Engineer torpedos are trash becasue you can't lock multiple ones onto a single target (like a boss or an elite)

>releasing free updates with new content to support their game

>not abandoning an early access game is now "praise-worthy"

At least they added artifacts and the game doesn't keep crashing.

>>16897861

>Next praise them for adding muh lore instead of porting items from the first game.

Nobody said anything about the lore, nobody said anything about porting items, there are plenty of items that were ported, having new items is a good thing, some lore doesn't hurt either, none of this sentence can even be considered an argument, let alone one that supports whatever the fuck you're trying to say.

Holy shit, even women argue better than this.

>game is balance because I don't know how to play

>game is bad because it doesn't let me be even more OP with the default OP character

>if someone does something good, it's not praise-worthy if you were expecting it in the first place

You're the kind of faggot that gives a reason for using the word "entitled" because it truly describes fuckwits like you.

>>16897928

Anon, I think the real schizo here is you.

Take your meds already.

Did they add an actual ending yet or do you just loop forever?

Did they fix the part where the game isn't as fun as Risk of Rain 1

>>16897861

>Engineer torpedos are trash becasue you can't lock multiple ones onto a single target (like a boss or an elite)

Opinion discarded due not actually playing the game.

>>16897928

>Surely it is possible to add

Everything you want is possible to add, of course. You know that, you've worked in the industry for years!

>What?

Kinda fucked up that sentence, sorry about that. What I meant was "git gud" because the Commando is the bread and butter of the game and if you think he sucks or isn't fun to play, you'll do worse with anyone else and you have shit taste.

>Pro-consumer™, free! unlockable skins, muh lore, and remodelling engineer's shield generator or UI are a great thing to prioritize

You post this full of sarcasm as if any of this was bad or even common.

>don't forget schizo tranny representation

Sorry, already forgot it because it's just that stupid. If you're still hang up on this, you're deliberatly looking for excuses or fuel to shitpost.

>please call it "they".

Not even keeping the memes straight here, faggot. That was Borderlands 3. You can't argue for shit and you can't shitpost either, how embarassing.

>not being absolute ea-thesda-tier incompetence and greed ran shitshow is "doing something good"

>Look at all those other BAD companies? Surely this one can't be any better!

This is your mind on group thinking and tribalism. Seek help, Anon.

>gamer entitlement and homophobia plagues risk of rain community, read more at resetera

Funny how you keep bringing even MORE "topics" to the discussion (homophobia), either because you're running out of "arguments" or because you really just want to keep this shitpost to keep on burning.

If this is the extent that the criticism for this game goes, I guess it can't be that bad. Considered yourself filtered.

Does this game have any sort of progression yet beyond doing some arbitrary bullshit challenge that you'd never naturally do during gameplay to unlock a random item?

The gameplay loop is fun and all but having bad runs that go on for too long and then feeling like you totally wasted your time at the end because you have literally nothing to show for it really puts me off wanting to play again.

Sure theres lunar coins but they're too few and far between and the stuff you buy with them is more often than not a negative that you don't even want to pick up so you always feel like you're just wasting them.

>>16898062

Now you can look for "wait a minute, that card" stone tablet, to input into a peg and hole machine to unlock artifacts based on the combination you input.

Final Level will come out June 19th which is exactly what people have in mind when saying "spring".

Just like "comes out in March" means evening of March 31st or "coming september" means september 31st.

Bonus points

>great publisher we decided to sign a deal with told us to postpone the update to build up more hype.

>>16898062

>Does this game have any sort of progression yet

>beyond doing some arbitrary bullshit challenge that you'd never naturally do during gameplay to unlock a random item?

Why are you formatting your criticism as a question when anyone that could answer it can also see through it?

Is it just because you didn't want to write "I don't like unlockables that you get from challenges and gameplay instead of DLC and cashops." because of how bad that would look?

The game has precisely the same "progression" that the first one had. Items to collect, challenges to complete, logs to read. Really, the only thing missing is an ending stage (but you can kinda consider the Obelisk that, until we get the actual final stage). If you have a problem with this one, surely you'd have had it with the first too?

Otherwise, what sort of "progression" would you like? Maybe some "Survivor Rank" that you raise with XP earned for every run? And maybe you could "prestige" it when it gets high enough? Maybe tie unlockables to your survivor rank instead of challenges and even give you extra skins for every rank you complete? Maybe throw a few lootboxes in the mix because why not?

What about NOT having any kind of fucking progression instead and you play every run for the challenge of it and because you think it's fun instead of playing a videogame just so it can give you some meaningless XP to raise some meaningless rank that has nothing to do with actually playing the game and needs to lock the cool shit you want behind it so you can't just ignore it?

>theres lunar coins but they're too few and far between and the stuff you buy with them is more often than not a negative that you don't even want to pick up

Lunar Items are supposed to be double-edged. They can greatly help you, but will bring some horrible drawback you need to work with. Like the Brittle Crown that actually ends up sucking a lot of money from you, but can easily be worth it if you can dodge attacks and speeds up your gold farming.

Ultimately however, they are gimmicky\trick items that you take when you want to spice up the game, they aren't actually supposed to be 100% useful.

And you're not "wasting" your coins on them since after unlocking the Artificier there's nothing that's that much better to buy with it.

>>16898120

Never played the first one because I'm sick to death of 2D sidescrollers indie devs shit out nonstop because they're easy.

I really liked the progression in enter the gungeon where defeating bosses gave you currency you can use to unlock things that made the gameplay more interesting and create new synergies.

No matter how bad a run is if I beat at least one boss I made a little progress toward the next cool item that could change things up, I didn't have to devote entire runs to stupid and frustrating shit like "do 20 360 noscope kills while jumping in a row without taking damage" instead of just enjoying the game and getting new things in the process.

>>16898142

>I'm sick to death of 2D sidescrollers indie devs shit out nonstop because they're easy.

>Now, if they are top down instead…

Way to shoot yourself in the foot there, considering the ridiculous amount of top-down roguelike shooters that are churned out far outpace the side scroller ones.

I played Enter the Gungeon and quite like the game but that "progression" is the most pointless part of the game. You just eventually get every upgrade that currency can buy even if you can only beat the first boss, it's a matter of farming instead of learning how to play better. It rewards being stubborn, not skill.

And lets be frank here, the only reason they added that is because they have a crap ton of games they need to lock behind some progression because they can't have challenges for all of them and they can put every other upgrade behind the same mechanism, all for the sake of replay ability.

You could just as well have weapons ordered by tier, unlocking them for every level you go down (maybe even only unlock 3 of that floor tier so you have to do it more times), which would be better since it'd reward you with cooler weapons the deeper you go.

It's hardly any better than the hunter's challenge where they just give you a random monster and you have to kill a gazillion of them.

The Golem's Arm is a far more interesting form of "progression" than the currency is since it isn't just a carrot on a stick so you can mentally justify playing a game you're not actually having fun with, requires multiple playthroughs and pays off too.

>instead of just enjoying the game and getting new things in the process

Why do you need "new things in the process"? The process is the entire point of playing a videogame. If you're doing it for the carrot, stop playing the game.

Try Team Fortress or Counter Strike, maybe even some of the newer CoDs. Plenty of carrots there, you ass.

>>16898171

Except top down roguelikes and just roguelikes in general are a relatively recent trend where as side scrollers have been flooding the market for decades and are well beyond stale because of that.

Roguelikes need progression because not every playthrough is going to be as fun as the last, theres runs where the stars align and you feel like a god and then theres runs where every item you get is worthless shit and you're just slogging through it in an uphill battle hoping your luck will change but it never does.

If theres nothing that makes even those bad runs rewarding in some way then whats there to motivate you to start a game when theres a potential for it to be a totally pointless waste of time?

>>16898229

I thought all bronies became weebs.

>>16898241

either weebs or tranny child molesters.

>>16898054

7 spots, thats enough for every character in the character poll (this is just the update log that shows the characters included, including another new character)

https://store.steampowered.com/newshub/app/632360/view/2098055393562282871

The characters in the poll are at the bottom of the update log.

>>16898171

>I played Enter the Gungeon and quite like the game

You should also give Synthetik a try.

I can't really explain it you're just gonna have to see for yourself how amazing that game is.

>>16898229

What the fuck does a content moderator have to do with the actual game?

Stop trying to stir up needless drama you fucking schizo.

Why do bronies still exist in 2020?

>>16898201

>top down roguelikes and just roguelikes in general are a relatively recent trend

Nuclear Throne was released in 2015, 5 years ago and it's essentially the precursor to Enter the Gungeon.

There has been plenty of similar games and even Warner Bros tried it with their Gauntlet remake. It's not recent at all, you just started looking at it now and think you know enough to talk about it.

>Roguelikes need progression

The original rogue and every actual roguelike never had any kind of progression. Whatever happens in one life doesn't progress to the next one (with exceptions to bones and the like).

The concept of "progression" outside of a run is the actual recent phenomenon and still quite controversial too.

>If theres nothing that makes even those bad runs rewarding in some way then whats there to motivate you to start a game when theres a potential for it to be a totally pointless waste of time?

If that's the mindset you go by, stop playing videogames. Every minute you spend playing them doesn't actually reward you with anything at all. It's all a waste of time for the single purpose of having fun and that doesn't require getting rewards or carrots, it just requires enjoying how you're wasting your time.

If you're gonna tell me that you can play a game for an hour and whether you have fun or not is decided entirely on a reward at the end, you didn't enjoyed that hour, you just want the reward at the end. Might as well try CS GO and sell it for cash.

You also always get something out of every run, especially the bad ones. You learn from mistakes and try weird builds or strange interactions to see what doesn't work. Next run will go a lot better since you have a lot of meta knowledge now.

Everyone that complains about luck or bad runs in roguelikes is just a scrub. They may be random, but they have parameters and never generate impossible scenarios. You're just too unskilled or dumb to properly use the resources you're given.

>>16898229

>oh shit, I'm running out of "arguments"!

>let me throw a Discord profile from someone that has no say in how the game is developed and only moderates a Discord channel

>this doesn't show that I'm a filthy degenerate that uses Discord

>this doesn't show that I'm an easily triggered snowflake that cares about what someone else likes and lets them decide if I'm allowed to like a game or not

Pathetic.

>>16898269

>7 spots, thats enough for every character in the character poll

So they are likely going to include all of them and just want the playerbase to decide on the order of development. Probably will use the votes to decide said order too.

Hopefully that pleases everyone that wanted some of the other characters.

>>16898279

Because it's a group identity, with all the psychological benefits from it.

Because it's sorta edgy to be one, but not controversial like MGTOW or a Nazi.

Because the alternative is being a weeb and that might be worse in some places.

Because the show is surprisingly well written, especially when compared to most western shit.

Because ponies are just western shoujo: it's audience is girls 8-14 and men 25-45.

>>16898411

I want enforcer and CHEF but fucking sniper skank is probably going to win.

>>16898508

i dont understand why people even want sniper, there were cooler characters, like miner.

>>16898513

Because sniper rifles are popular, girl characters are popular, the only long ranged character so far is Rex while there's plenty of melee already, Sniper was unlocked and used by far more people than Miner, etc, etc.

There's no shortage of reasons for this, the Sniper is just more popular overall.

>>16898751

but they could do so much with miner, and his 4th ability would look so cool in 3d.

>>16898816

Also Miner in general is fun, since almost all of his abilities are related to movement

>drill charge to dash forward with a bit of invuln frames

>backblast for dashing backwards with more invuln frames

>to the stars for an additional jump

It's everything Mercenary wishes he could be but can't because he's too much of a fucking weeb

>>16898816

>>16898883

That is all true, but you can read their changelog to see the issues there.

Plenty of those abilities already exist in other character, Loader being quite close to Miner for instance.

Meanwhile, there really isn't anything close to Sniper's playstyle yet. They have some issues with a long range character during teleporter events and mixing scoping with movement that they need to sort, but they'd still end up with a more unique character if they do Sniper instead of Miner.

>>16898909

>horny teenagers who want more lewd fanart of sniper

Dude, snipers are just popular in general, everyone wants to be the "boom, headshot", one bullet one kill, safe away from danger character.

The porn and fanart of yet another female character play into it but they aren't the full or even the major reason.

And like I said, you can already get something quite close to Miner's gameplay with Mercenary or Loader. It's not quite there, but compare it to what Commando\Huntress will look like in comparisson to Sniper. People just want a new archetype of character that happens to use a really popular type of weapon and also happens to be a girl.

>>16898909

>Discord is full of horny teenagers who want more lewd fanart of sniper just like what happened with huntress and artificier, they care less about characters with genuinely fun gameplay and more about MUH DIK

How is that different from the majority of /v/ posters? The most common complaint about modern games is that the vaginas are unattractive, not that the gameplay is shit.

>Favorite character

Mercenary. I'm addicted to his good movement that playing any other character seems like a slog. His new slashing uppercut makes me feel like I'm playing a Devil May Cry game. Unfortunately late game he can't handle getting clipped and fire enemies do contact damage which is mega-AIDS

>Favorite item

Backup mag

>Least favorite enemy

Brass contraptions

>>16898992

agreed, fuck brass contraptions.

>favorite character

Probably acrid altough my most played is huntress.

>favorite item

<white

Paul's Goat Hoof

<green

Red Whip

<red

Unstable Tesla Coil

<orange

Royal Capacitor

<blue

I'd say spinel tonic for that one combo of items that activates it constantly

>least favorite enemy

Basic wisps. I wish their bullets traveled instead of being hitscan.

>favorite artifact

Probably glass.

>>16898513

sniper was my favorite character in risk of rain 1

>>16899282

why?

It does nothing special, and on high levels it's actually detrimental cause you can't hold to attack

>>16899335

I liked his active reload mechanic, and charging up to wipe out whole squads. This combines with the low firerate and high damage to give him a really distinct rhythm of combat. His backflip is cooler than commando's roll, one or two shotting bosses with the drone is fun, and if you collect two or three of the piercing drill you can absolutely shred shit. You can get snowballed late game but that's every character: either you have enough drones, missiles and damage multipliers to handle multiple loops or you don't. He also has one of my favorite win quotes and it's just a well rounded character conceptually, there's nothing wrong with a more standard rifleman archetype as long as it's done well.

That said, between the switch to 3d and the changes to teleporters, he's definitely gonna be a difficult character to port.

>>16899358

I always thought of sniper as a chick for some reason, anyways, good news for you. IT? Is in the games code just like bandit but they are all severely unfinished and unbalanced.

Btw this video is nearly a year old so a lot would have been likely to change since then including everyone getting access to a fully playable bandit.

>>16899358

Actively reload dis dick

I want my robo chef, and the sniper wouldn't work in the new game regardless

>main fire

how and why would you try to snipe if enemies spawn near you, and the game is all about cc

>drone

good luck aiming that. The only solution would be making a drone like an engi bubble that instead grants crit, and you place it on the floor to debuff.

>backflip

could work? but still kinda meh

what even was his last skill?

>>16899418

The sprites in Risk of Rain 1 are so small it hardly matters.

>>16899439

Drone automatically locates the toughest enemy nearby and weakens it, great for slaughtering bosses or elites. His M2 equivalent charged a powered-up shot that pierces through enemies. He'd need more of a rework than most, but the core of having a high damage, low fire rate character based around positioning and synergizing your movement and reload still holds up.

>>16899699

In general, I don't think that's too inaccurate, but for some survivors it has to be rearranged a bit. For example, the Frost Relic immediately becomes at least A tier on any melee character, and Brainstalks is S tier for Artificer and Commando. I feel like it would be more useful to have a tier ranking on a per character basis, given that each character has different needs.

That being said, I think S and F tier are mostly spot on. I still like to pick up Dio's Best Friend though

I also forgot to add the new legendary, the desk plant. It's probably a C. Better in groups, though.

>>16899738

Catalyst is great, but it's still a combo piece. If you have gesture and a good equipment for it like tonic or royal capacitor, then it's amazing. Until that point, it's only really really good, not busted.

>>16899699

dio for engineer should be in A tier, as it makes your turrets imp-proof.

i want them to add the upgrade scepter back into the game.

>>16899358

I played a lot a sniper in 1, and really enjoyed him, but there's going to fuck him up by porting to a 3d space, the entire appeal was shooting through 100 enemies and watching them all die.

Let's play the game, I'll host in a little bit for anyone reading this

>>16900092

hey, how do artifacts work with multiplayer?

can you still use artifacts you haven't unlocked?

>>16900142

Yes, but the host has to do it, as long as the host has the artifact that he unlocked active then it works with players who havent unlocked it yet.

>>16900092

Also I'm willing to play.

I want to try unlocking glass which works just like how it did in the previous games.

I'm scared that I'm going to get fucking destroyed though.

The code is for it is

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>>16900163

The Artifact stage doesn't actually spawn a lot of enemies at once. If you are ahead of the scaling curve; it should be easy to clear. Maybe do glass on the second or third loop, and do an easier artifact on the first one.

>>16900142

I'd imagine it works the same as items; the selection available is the sum of everyone's unlocks.

>>16900163

Last time I tried to unlock glass I was almost finished and thought everything was fine, then I got WISPED out of nowhere

This game is too bullshit for glass

>>16899903

It's a bunch of discord emotes anon, of course it's going to be fucked up

There's a reason they literally explain right above the poll that it will be fucked up on the user end and that's why they update the little bars with the real numbers every day

>>16900229

So you actually managed to unlock glass?

>>16900240

Yes.

Admittedly this was on a run with Command, but it was on monsoon. The artifacts I unlocked were Swarm, Soul, Glass and Vengeance. I finally unlocked the Commando grenades on this run. Command makes the game so fucking trivial holy shit no wonder people are mocking people who exclusively play with it.*

I should add that I usually stack tons of shaped glass on me and mostly play Mercenary. If you are dying; that means you're not killing enemies fast enough.

>>16900240

glass aint that hard to unlock tbh, just unlock command and do a run with a shiton of will-o-wisps, gascans, and tougher times / repulsion plates.

>>16900269

command is really fun for doing stupid builds, i love it.

>>16900269

I also just unlocked commando's nades. I thought commando was pretty boring before, but the grenade is pretty technical

>>16900284

almost unlocked grenades today, but got sucker punched by a fucking wisp on glass.

im so angry

>>16900378

I'm bored as shit anon, I'll help you out if you want.

>>16900384

its fine, ill just do it later.

only reason i fucked up was cause i wasnt paying attention.

>>16900409

i mean, im down if your down

>>16900411

Anon, I'm downer than a guy with down syndrome, lets do this.

Heres my session ID.

109775240998743787

god i wish my internet wasnt shit so i could host games.

>>16900163

Just do it on drizzle :^)

Which is how i unlocked most of the survivors because I am a mad cunt

>>16901417

commandos are the mvp's of not dieing.

>>16901450

sounds like somebody who's shit at commando

:^)

>>16898101

I would prefer if they just didn't announce a release date.

This kind of shit just pisses me off and makes it harder to enjoy an already incomplete and flawed game.

Aka, if the game is shitty at least the developers shouldn't be equally shitty.

>>16901528

Around Gearbox, no bux

>>16899699

>brainstalks

>not F tier

It's quite literally an overpriced bandolier.

>>16901417

>>16901450

Artificier I'll give you, but how the fuck are you having problem staying alive with Commando or Huntress when both have a literal dodge skill and Commando even comes with stuns on demand?

You're not supposed to face-tank everything thrown at you, even the "hit-scan" enemies can be dodged if you're good enough of have a few movement related items (quail looks like a joke until you see the shit you can pull off)

>>16901528

I prefer when they stick to the deadline, even if only at the very last moment than not sticking to it or having none.

Having a game announced for "late 2019" and no signs of life yet after 1/4 of 2020 sucks much more.

>>16901634

You have no idea what you're talking about. Brainstalks is absolutely busted on certain characters. Bandolier drops need to be picked up and do not allow for spamming of your R, unlike stalks do, and is especially strong on huntress with arrow rain.

>>16901660

>absolutely busted on certain characters

and worthless on everyone else.

> Bandolier drops need to be picked up

>I'm too fat to move and don't have an utility skill that allows fast movement but I'm not an engineer either

Artificer?

>>16901670

>and worthless on everyone else.

No shit. It's almost like different items are more or less useful depending on your character, skill loadout and current items held. Having a tier list for items is retarded because so many factors will change loot priority.

>I'm too fat to move and don't have an utility skill that allows fast movement but I'm not an engineer either

>I'm so skilled all bandolier drops appear at my feet so I can spam my skills just like having brainstalks!

Stop pretending to be retarded.

>>16901675

>Pressing Blink/roll/car mode/pounce into a bandolier and then again to back out is too much micromanagement that only korean starcraft gods with APM in the upper 900 can manage

You first.

>>16901677

Your shit argument still does nothing to prove bandolier is better than brainstalks, Play more than 4 hours.

>>16901678

>4 seconds of no cooldown when hardly any character has skills that require retarded button mashing

it became slightly less dogshit after guillotine was added, but it still relies on other items to not be trash, meanwhile anything killable drops ammo packs that you can pick up

>the characters that do have the ability to button mash like merc auto scoop bandoliers anyways

Eat shit faggot.

Don't play the game at all, you suck too hard.

>>16901681

>only good for merc

>not artificer mouse 1

>not commando R or shift

>not huntress R or shift

>not MULT shift on bosses and large enemies

>not engi shield resets on elite kill, or spider mine spam

I can go on and on but I'll just let you keep fucking embarassing yourself.

>>16901645

Artificier and Huntress are great, if you know how to use em and maneuver well they can deal some HUEG DAMAGE.

Commando is the one thats shit, he sucks cock at everything and he is, in fact, my least liked character in the game.

I have even more fun and survivability with Rex than with Commando and Rex's gameplay is literally suicidal.

>>16901681

>>16901684

Guys, you should both play in whatever way you think is best, most fun and gives you the most results.

Thats all I have to say about that.

>>16901685

This isn't about how he plays the game, this is about the effectiveness of one item versus another. While bandolier is good, it doesn't allow for spamming unless you are constantly fed multiple bandolier drops per serond, it's that simple. If he wants to suck at the game he can do so but he is stating misinformation.

>>16901687

*drops per second.

>>16901689

I like it because they added a ton of stuff to unlock, and some artifacts are fun. What I don't like is that 99% of people want to play with command artifact on and still fucking suck somehow.

>>16901684

>>not engi shield resets on elite kill, or spider mine spam

>he fails to kill anything as an engineer within 15 seconds

Uninstall the game at this point. it's embarassing.

>Shift?

It doesn't reset sprint :^)

>Commando R

default? is limited by its own duration, grenade maybe, but same can be accomplished with

>huntress R

Alternative is limited by its duration and the jumping animation, rain of arrows can be refreshed for similar efficiency with bandoliers that you can also outrun at certain movespeed and make them refresh in a chain

>>16901687

>unless you are constantly fed multiple bandolier drops per serond

except you are most of the time and if you're not there's probably not enough enemies on screen to necessitate it in the first place?

I guess getting brain stalks is the closest you get to developing actual brain so you're going to spend time defending it as an amazing item on a video game flavored FBI honeypot.

>>16901692

>It doesn't reset sprint :^)

Ctrl is sprint rtetard.

>default? is limited by its own duration, grenade maybe, but same can be accomplished with

Can literally hold down R with commando and brainstalks for even higher DPS than holding mouse 1. You can also mash R and setup multiple huntress arrow rains while only waiting slightly for the jump animation.

>make them refresh in a chain

Which requires you to run around and fetch them. You don't seem to grasp that brainstalks bypasses this.

>except you are most of the time and if you're not there's probably not enough enemies on screen to necessitate it in the first place?

You're never fed multiple bandolier drops per second unless you are running around grabbing them. You keep comparing spamming skills within a 4 second window after an elite kill to running around, grabbing bandoliers, then spamming skills again. It's completely different.

>I guess getting brain stalks is the closest you get to developing actual brain so you're going to spend time defending it as an amazing item on a video game flavored FBI honeypot.

Why are you so mad I called out you posting incorrect information?

>>16901692

>commando can spam phase blast

>huntress can spam glaives

>MUL-T can spam canisters

>Merc can spam eviscerate

>Artificer primary has no cooldown

Rex doesn't really benefit much unless you took drill, and even then the attack itself lasts for nearly the duration of the brainstalks. The same is true for Loader. But for the other characters, the bandolier hardly gives the same effect. Even with very large stacks, there aren't enough enemies to allow you to spam phase blast, for example, with anywhere near the frequency that the brainstalks allow. Merc is the exception here, but you would need a few stacks of bandolier before it matches brainstalks performance.

>>16901699

Oh I forgot about Acrid, who also doesn't get a whole lot, but you can still spam epidemic or his leap, which is fun. The same caveat applies that you could get a similar effect with bandoliers and frenzied leap, but you would need a few stacks for it to be consistent.

>>16901689

ok FBI

>>16901704

>you still have to run over and pick it up

Doesn't seem like an issue considering you hardly ever fight at a long range.

>>16901697

>Ctrl is sprint rtetard.

>Having sprint on ctrl

Who's the retard, retard? you

>You don't seem to grasp that brainstalks bypasses this.

You don't seem to grasp that any other red item other than dio and the jump thing make you kill shit faster.

also see >>16900021

>Can literally hold down R with commando and brainstalks for even higher DPS than holding mouse 1

mashing R as commando doesn't stack up damage, it refreshes the duration you cerebral palsy afflicted child.

>>16901713

>You don't seem to grasp that any other red item other than dio and the jump thing make you kill shit faster.

Which brainstalks does with certain skills.

>mashing R as commando doesn't stack up damage, it refreshes the duration you cerebral palsy afflicted child.

I never said it stacks damage, I said you can hold R. You gain the increased fire rate.

>Doesn't seem like an issue considering you hardly ever fight at a long range.

Maybe you should play without command artifact and change off of rainstorm difficulty sometime.

>>16901713

There's still a finite amount of time between firing the ability, and moving to pick it up. Additionally, when you account for the drop rate, you aren't necessarily going to have a bandolier drop near you at any given time. Obviously, at the end game, and with 4+ bandoliers or so, you will get a similar result, but I would take 1 brainstalks over 1 or 2 bandoliers every time.

>>16901993

>Not really sure how as i'd imagine it's more of a free invitation to be mocked and ridiculed.

Same shit like emos, goths or incels and MGTOWs. They don't mind the mockery because it psychologically reinforces their isolation from everyone else but unity in their group.

There's many different ways of seeking validation, one of them being shunned by those you do not like. If they hate you, you've gotta be doing something right. If the horsefuckers think everyone who hates their show is a tasteless normalfag, they'll thrive in any hate they get because it validates their taste and choices.

>And like that you lost me

Dude, just because it's a show for kids or features magical horses it doesn't really invalidate it from being well written. It has well developed and deep characters, over arching plot lines that span several episodes and not only remain consistent but also touch several different levels and topics, has some really positive messages for young girls without being patronizing and it's decently animated too.

You can still dislike the show for being horsefucker fetish fuel, but you gotta respect the quality of it at least.

>>16901781

>57 leaf clover also works for defensive chance items like tougher times

Tougher Times is specifically an exception to luck.

Holy shit why are you all so dumb and bad at this game

>>16902147

>expecting /v/ to know how to play videogames

whats everyone's opinion on shaped glass?

i ALWAYS take it, no matter what.

Who's up for a game? Monsoon.

>>16902461

im down

>>16902444

i always get as much shaped glass as is humanly possible, once had a 2hr run on monsoon with 4hp

>>16902463

We'll wait for 2 others to volunteer and I'll drop the room code.

>>16902461

>>16902467

Drop the damn room code already man.

I'll volunteer too.

>>16902482

>>16902463

109775240987351189

After playing with commando's grenade for a bit, it sucks. Fun mechanics, but it's seriously so bad. Not nearly enough reward for how awkward it is to place properly. You can't hit airborne enemies, imps that blink, or baby lumerians that tend to jump. It doesn't even stun like mul-t's and anything outside the absolute center does almost no damage.

Why can't this character have anything?

>>16902570

He does have his slide maneuver

i think that last game spoke for itself, commando is survivability god if your gud.

>>16902596

>>16902685

When it comes to that commando I have NO clue what items he had to get to not fucking die like that.

I even took an aegis, a bunch of tougher times, armor plating and leech seeds and it still wasnt enough.

Was it probably due to him having more medkits or what, or was it some kind of shounen believe in yourself kind of faggotry?

Its whatever though. I didn't mind having him carry us though, I know we all did our best and made it through to the end because of it.

Hopefully the actual final level and boss will be just as fun, if not more so.

GG you guys it was incedibly fun.

>>16902696

yee it was fun, wish my internet wasnt crap or i'd host games myself.

>>16902696

I think he just got lucky. A real test of skill is when playing without the Command artifact and adapting to shitty luck.

>>16902719

20% luck, 80% skill.

>>16902741

Oh shit yeah I only had one harvester scythe.

That makes more sense now.

>>16902741

Actually now that I think about it, his survival isn't that strange. The only reason I died so many times was because I took the Glass Sword thing three times and as a result lost out on a lot of health (got a lot of damage out of it but not the survival). Speaking of the glass thing, it shouldn't be allowed to also cut in half your SHIELD, whether it be the blue or gold kind. Cut HP in half? That's fine, but not the shield, it just doesn't make sense.

>>16902774

it was prolly fun tho.

>>16902774

Shaped Glass works very well for REX. The health cost remains the same percentage of your health pool which means it decreases in absolute terms, while the healing you get from your primary increases because it's based on damage. You can just hold down left click and spam right click and you delete stuff while your health barely seems to drop.

>>16902952

this + aegis

>>16902957

Dio :^)

>>16903139

honestly would rather an entirely new character than sniper to win.

>>16901685

>more survivability with Rex than with Commando

>Commando is the one thats shit, he sucks cock at everything

The point of Commando is to proc on-hit effects fast, while still being able to dodge. If you are bad at that then I don't know what to say. I can understand finding Commando too generic, but Commando is a very easy class.

>>16903139

>Miner that low

Pretty shit taste, I would say.

>>16903555

i like commando because as long as you can position and use his roll properly, you can survive through impossible odds.

>>16903139

Noticed how the graph hasn't been updated since April 1st? Oh boy I hope the devs aren't fucking with us and reveal later that Sniper won a landslide victory.

>>16904319

>Being an unironic sniper zoomer

>>16904325

i think >>16904319 was being ironic.

The poll has ended and it is now being tallied up.

>>16904325

>le fahnny _oomer meeemxD

>>16904674

>miner wins by a landslide

tried this game for free and just want to say it sucks. really boring, not fun, no idea why anyone would buy it

>>16905090

You were probably one of those types of randoms I saw in multiplayer during the free weekend walking around and NOT picking up any items at all. RIP.

The new stage is ass. I can't do anything against the minimushrooms as engineer.

>>16905241

just like, spam spider mines

>>16905189

i own the original risk of rain and don't absolutely hate that game. risk of rain 2 is garbage though, didnt even try the multiplayer.

>>16903555

Commando being able to proc SLIGHTLY faster off his M1 doesn't make up for his awful mobility and defense, nor the fact that you actually have to aim with him. Other characters, particularly huntress and merc are just WAY better.

Standard command build for pretty much any character:

>White items

Start with attack speed+move speed whites, max crit once you have comfortable speed. After crit, work on crowbars and tougher times, with maybe some tri tips and armor piercing thrown in.

>Green items

Ukulele, Wisp, STG missile, Runald and Kjaro bands. A good stack of wisps (~6-10) will annihilate most of early game. Generally build Wisps early so you can get a large enough range on them to chain groups. Other shit procs off wisps.

>Reds

Sacrificial Dagger and 57 Leaf clover. If you manage to get more than 2, more clovers.

>Blues

Strict order: Transcendence, 4x GOTD, Spinel Tonic, more transcendence. Transcendence allows you to completely forgo all healing items AND gives you a good amount of health to work with, making it absolutely essential to the build. Do not take Spinel tonic before hitting 4 gotd (can replace up to 3gotd with fuel cells). This gives you permanent uptime, which means double damage for everything, extra health, attack speed, move speed and armor, with no debuffs ever.

>Orange

You'll replace this with spinel tonic fairly early (just 2 shops, so before stage 3 ideally, stage 4 if you miss one). I like to use Sawmarang if I get an orange on stage 1 for the boss, otherwise it doesn't matter much.

Works perfectly on Merc, Huntress, and Commando. Obviously commando is the worst of the three no matter what you build. Functional on just about anyone though.

>>16905333

Commando is not the best but

>huntress

huntress has nice mobility and is good for about 20 minutes on monsoon, then she falls off hard and becomes the most trash character in the entire game. Unless you get REALLY fucking lucky on your items her abysmal single target damage and subpar damage in general make her way too weak. Sure commando might now have good mobility and defense but atleast you can somewhat consistently get to a point where you clear the screen off enemies before they become a threat. Huntress never gets to that point.

>>16905459

I don't know how you can make so many bad decisions in a single build. Firstly, crit glasses are probably the single fastest stacking damage in the game, so your first 9 whites, while the game is still slow and easy, should be crit glasses. In order to cap crit, the first 2 greens should be harvester's scythe, then predatory instincts. This also provides a large amount of healing, especially on fast firing characters. The first, second, and probably third red items you get should all be clovers, in order to maximise procs on the next few green items; ATG missile, ukelele, and the double bands. ATG is probably the best stacking on-hit item in the game, adding 300% extra damage per stack, along with being one of the only on-hit items that can proc other on-hit items, alongside uke and meathook. You can also throw wisps in there to help a bit with wave clearing.

Any whites after capping crit can go into whatever you want, I tend towards tougher times more than anything else, but movement and attack speed shouldn't be neglected either. Once you have the spread of greens I mentioned, you can add more ATGs for burst damage, or more scythes for more healing, depending on your needs. Once you have a decent amount of reds, since this build should be able to carry you through several loops. you can add the meathook for more on-hit that can proc other on-hit items, or daggers for a better wisp.

Your choice of blue items is utterly retarded, the only 2 blues you should ever realistically need are shaped glass and gesture of the drowned. The downside of shaped glass is almost entirely nullified by one-shot protection, and changing all of your health to shield completely removes your ability to abuse OSP with insane amounts of healing/incredibly low max HP. I find gesture works incredibly well with missile pod here, due to the insane amount of DPS you can output with this build, allowing you to kill even most bosses without having to touch a button, with enough glass. After getting to this stage, you basically have free reign to get any item you want, I managed to crash the game by picking up 8 clovers and pressing merc's R once, after having collected one of almost every item in the game.

>>16905509

>The downside of shaped glass is almost entirely nullified by one-shot protection

To add on to this its not just nullified but especially stacking shaped glass paradoxically makes you almost impossible to kill if you have some healing items because osp doesnt have any restriction like can only apply once every so and so seconds. The theoretical best survivability you can get is having only 2 hp with lots of healing because if you get hit you only ever fall to 1hp and to get invincibility up again you only have to heal a single hp. (unless your damage is shit, then you just get killed by wisps that didnt disappear instantly upon spawning anyway because once their damage gets too high they meme on osp by actually shooting 3 shots really fast instead of only once)

>>16905509

Nah dude. Very first white should be crowbar, because that's a guarantee (unlike crit glasses). Then take ammo for the boss. Both should outdo the first two glasses, then you can go all out into glasses, then into speed, then the rest.

>>16905312

Eh, theres nothing wrong about sucking cocks in a game you don't really know or care too much about. Its whatever. But IF you actually manage to unlock more characters or even have a god run then you will see how amazingly fun the game can actually be.

>>16905459

Whenever I'm on monsoon I usually go for more of the defensive and movement based items first because if im too slow or take too much hits then I am unquestionably fucked.

Defense, healing and maneuverability is more important in the early game for me.

>>16905503

Commando still is the most boring character and sucks cock and balls when it comes to everyone else who has much more in terms of survivability.

Commando is just pretty much the tutorial or default character. Hes simple enough for everyone to understand and get into the game with. So because of that, hes kinda boring, simple and doesnt get anything exceptional at all, especially when you compare him to the other characters.

Huntress is amazing if you actually STACK items with her such as the crowbar and soldier syringes, any kind of problems your having with her is your own fault. Her maneuverability more than makes up for her relatively low damage output, which can of course be easily fixed by stacking damage increasing items.

>>16905509

disagree, start with 1 hoof, 1 red whip, and 1 energy drink for enough movespeed to comfortably move around the map. than nab about 3-4 repulsion plates to make big golems not do shit. grab a medkit or two for extra survivability, than get a hopoo feather. after that start stacking on hit, get max crit, get max daggers, both bands and a chronobobble. than either get a gas can or something else that can proc a 4th status effect and start stacking death mark's like mad. boom instant damage out the ass.

>>16905518

>Huntress is amazing if you actually STACK items with her

so just like any character then? The point is that base huntress is weak and everyone else will survive for longer. A good huntress run is fun but you can consistently get good runs with commando, with huntress if you dont get very lucky with your drops or get a good item printer in your first loop youre pretty much fucked. Commando can do with sub par items up to 2 loops or so easily. And yes Commando isnt a good character but huntress is by far the worst.

Why does Huntress feel so lame compared to everyone else? She just feels so weak and I'm not a big fan of those tracking shots, I feel like they prioritize the wrong targets.

>>16905551

no matter how much you shill huntress that wont change that she has shit damage and it scales shit too. Her single target damage, which becomes more important as the run goes on is absolutely trash and stays subpar for most of the game unless you have perfect item combos. No matter how great the ass, she will never be anything other than the worst character.

>>16905551

nope, i was the commando.

>>16905518

>if you actually STACK items with her

>if

If is the key word here. I played through several times on drizzle just to experiment with the RNG and its surprising how bullshit it can be in terms of what it gives you. It flails about giving the most inane garbage consistently the deciding ~20 minutes later it wants a totally different set of garbage to throw at you.

>>16905620

Huntress doesn't have terrible damage when compared. 300% per second vs commando's 450% per second with their respective primaries, but huntress also can't miss.

When you factor in glave when you have as few as two targets doing ~775% per target (6x250% across 2 enemies. plus 10% per bounce), per glave vs commando's m2 doing 300% per target per shot.

Can't forget arrow rain which can be used against a single-target. A monster like a boss that doesn't move much or often will end up taking the entire 2090% damage over 6 seconds, with another arrow rain coming 6 seconds after the last one ends. Ending up with 10450% damage per minute. Let's compare that to commandos suppressive fire. While it scales with attack speed, but by default it only does 600% damage per usage with a 9 second cooldown. Doing a 4000% damage per minute without any upgrades. Commando's fire speed would need to be over 2.5x faster to match that on a singular target (10+ soldier's syringes). Huntress gets the full damage as long as the target is within the radius for the duration (also adds a slow effect to encourage this), on any number of targets within it.

Not to mention the big mobility bonuses huntress gets. Arrow rain is a big "get me out of here" movement boost to skirt projectiles and avoid melee attacks. Aswell her alt-utility, phase blink, is a strictly better version of commando's roll with 3 charges.

>>16905656

Those numbers dont translate in how well their attacks scale with items though. I have already conceded that huntress is good for about the first loop but after that falls off hard simply because commandos high speed proc attacks can work with many different item combinations while huntress needs very specific items to do consistently good damage. Commando also gets his shotgun secondary which gives him reliable single target damage, something which huntress lacks. Also if we assume that arrow rain always hits even though flying enemies and bosses exist that can completely fuck that over no matter your skill then we can assume commando never misses either.

Long story short base huntress is better than commando but throw both of them a few random items and commando will start outperforming her fast

>>16905664

True, while commando has stats that scale better over time, but huntress has an easier time getting to that point. Crowds, while less so in the really late game, exist at all times before that and commando on his own doesn't have any reliable CC nor does he have the movement tools to disengage from bad situations like many other characters do. I believe that huntress's strengths make up for her lower single-target damage and below average health pool.

Also, arrow rain can be used on walls and ceilings to hit airborne enemies to the side or below. Doesn't make up for it entirely, but it helps.

Every character has their weaknesses, except for Mul-T, he can do everything.

>>16905683

Chemist and weaver sound pretty wicked.

>>16905701

>Ah, finally a man who sees the huntresses true value.

<Im the same guy you argued with an hour ago :^)

Huntress runs can get good but my point was that commando gets good runs more consistently because he can work with lotsa different items. Maybe Im just biased though because my philosophy and playstyle is that if an enemy I want dead survives for longer than the next few seconds something is very wrong. Commando can achieve this in most runs, huntress only occasionally.

>>16905656

>phase blink is better than roll or slide

wrong.

>>16905518

>simple and doesnt get anything exceptional at all

>slide scales with move speed

>default R scales with attack speed

>1.2 proc coefficient

The shit you can pull off with the new slide is retarded. It made him so much better, please try it out. Calling him simple is incredibly retarded though. Loader is much more simple and braindead to play as.

>>16905701

base stats may not be important but movesets are.

commando's moveset scales really well because double tap has the fewest restrictions on targeting or firing, and rolls for shit like ATGMs pretty consistently

I like rex better though, his shots are nearly as strong, and he can launch artillery for a fuckton of damage

>>16905747

exactly, commando has excellent scaling on every one of his abilities, and he feels more skill based due to requiring proper timeing on his roll/slide to be able to survive.

>>16905509

The build I listed gets me through monsoon pretty reliably. I usually play with swarm as well, because it's more fun with more enemies, though that does mean that wisps get more value

Move speed is always first. Move speed doubles as both defense and item accelleration. The faster I can move on the map, the less time I spend hunting for items and the less the difficulty progresses each stage. Usually 3-5 hooves is enough for both a comfortable pace and good survival, and then when I build into Spinel Tonic movement becomes godlike.

Fuck all healing items, get transcendence after stage 1. Put ALL greens into damage, everything starts dying in one explosion. Keep moving, you don't get hit, when you do get hit you have plenty of HP because of the shield multiplier, and you don't have to waste your prime damage slots (greens) on survival. I get away without taking any Tougher Times until stage 5 just fine this way, which means more time to focus on damage only.

More than 1 clover isn't necessary. 1 clover, 1 dagger, and the spread of greens I mentioned is enough that you chain the entire map continuously. Not only does everything die, but everything KEEPS dying because the ATG missiles and daggers stick around long enough for the next spawn wave.

>>16905503

>good for about 20 minutes on monsoon

If you haven't effectively won within the first 20 minutes, you may as well restart anyway. By that point in the game your attack scaling doesn't matter anymore. It's all items, movement, and how easily you can hit shit to start your proc chain.

>>16905747

Commando's moveset scales horribly because double tap is restricted by aim AND range and can't be used while running, while his dodge roll is one of the worst mobility moves in the game offering neither invulnerability nor vertical movement, on top of having a short distance. Once you reach the point where items are doing more damage than your attacks, almost any other character is better.

>>16905919

>Commando's moveset scales horribly

Wrong. His double tap does lose accuracy and damage with range but stop fighting at range. Commando is best played at close to mid range.

> while his dodge roll is one of the worst mobility moves in the game

Not a problem since the slide was added. It's so much better allowing for better positioning after escaping har,, while the distance travelled scaled with movespeed. You can shoot while sliding too.

>Once you reach the point where items are doing more damage than your attacks, almost any other character is better.

Phase blast says you're wrong.

>>16905919

>dodge roll

>one of the worst mobility moves in the game

wrong, dodge roll is the best mobility move in the game, only competition is loaders grapple and MAYBE HAN-D's car mode.

>>16905967

Or both of the Mercs dashs, which are longer distance, omnidirectional and grant invulnerability frames, or the Huntress teleport (not blink) which is omnidirectional and much greater distance. The distance traveled is multiplied by movespeed, which means that longer distance moves travel proportionally farther.

Being able to move UP is absolutely important. It allows you to dodge better, attack better, explore faster, and access newt shrines with fewer items required. In turn that means more items, more offense items, and weaker enemies. Commando gets left in the dust specifically because of his shit mobility. They could double his damage and proc rate and he'd still be shit in the long run.

Mul-T's car mode is also trash, arguably even worse than Commando. It's only saving grace is that it grants a bit of extra armor. Loader Grapple is pretty good, but only if you are really good with it and even then merc is still better.

>>16905683

I don't like people voting for something that isn't even a concrete idea. Makes me feel like a large portion is going to be bitching that they didn't get what they wanted

I want Paladin though. Another monster character sounds fun as fuck and a playable Collector is what I always wanted.

>>16906160

disagree, merc and huntress requires you to face the direction you want to dash in, while commando lets you roll in the direction your moving.

however i cant argue that commando has no easy vertical mobility.

you can still get up most ledges with the roll if you abuse the level geometry though.

Is anyone else here in as much love with this song as I am?

This song is pure sex to my ears good god its way too good for its own good.

3:18 would give me major goosebumps if my body was capable of getting them.

That guy really didn't have to go that far when making this OST for the game.

>>16906198

aged meme aside

>geometry abusing rolling virgin commandos who struggle to get up cliffs

vs

>omnidirectional dashing chad mercs/huntresses who gets anywhere they like with complete and total ease

Anon please, you're making it too easy for us.

When it comes to dodging for any other character it really isnt that hard to turn your mouse away from the enemy, and in mercs case you can dash right INTO them for ANOTHER dash. That is by far the best dash attack in the game besides loaders spiderman swing (if that even counts) hands down.

>>16906211

commando's slide turns him into a turbo chad

>>16906241

>They didn't change the line to saying "something very fragile and very precious going *CHNK*"

Otherwise that's fantastic.

>>16906175

>I don't like people voting for something that isn't even a concrete idea.

Oh yeah absolutely, atleast with everyone else you know exactly what you are going to get, i'm honestly shocked Sniper lost over that.

>>16906266

>i'm honestly shocked Sniper lost over that

I'm sure that everyone already counted the free slots on the menu and knows that all characters will be in.

This means Sniper, Miner and everyone else will definitely eventually be in the game, but anyone interested in them likely already played them in RoR1.

Getting a new character instead to play with now, instead of something you kinda already know, would be the better option since you're getting newer content without actually losing previous characters.

Who's ready for based paladin?

>>16906267

>everyone already counted the free slots on the menu and knows that all characters will be in.

The UI wrapping over into a new row for characters of equal length to the first one doesn't mean all of them are going to be filled

Everyone that thinks this is a maximum brainlet that hasn't actually read what Hopoo wrote about the vote and the characters

>>16905513

You cannot rely on OSP. Lesser Wisps hit 3 times every attack, so with your 2hp build you would instantly die to the most common enemies in the game. Burn damage also fucks you hard. Even if you can attack faster than the burn ticks, you risk running out of target between damage ticks and dying that way.

Anyway here's a quick monsoon merc playthrough using this build >>16905459. 10 in-game minutes in I'm at stage 3 and already unstoppable, and I barely even have any items.

>>16906344

>then you just get killed by wisps that didnt disappear instantly upon spawning anyway because once their damage gets too high they meme on osp by actually shooting 3 shots really fast instead of only once

Anon learn to read the entire fucking post before you answer. There is a reason its theoretical. Its just to showcase that having a large healthpool is actually worse than having a moderately low health pool.

>>16906384

Except see the video, where having a large healthpool basically leads to invulnerability.

>>16906409

>youtube embed

come on now anon you expected me to watch that? Anyway near invulnerability can be achieved by having low health just as well

>>16906418

Yeah it's an unlisted youtube of my personal gameplay, without commentary. I'd webm it but 40 minutes would look like ass in webm form.

>>16906447

>Now how about we get back to discussing how Loader is the best survivor?

Loader has a unique playstyle. Grapple has tons of potential for fun and is a very effective, if perhaps not optimal, method of movement. Damage is alright, procs are a tad unreliable but big when they happen.

From a purely utilitarian perspective, I believe Merc is still much better. However Merc can get a little too easy and be rather boring to play in the long run, so in a balance of fun and effectiveness I can see an argument for loader.

>>16906447

Loader's movement is fun, but that's the only thing I like about Loader. Fun, but runs are too easy.

>>16906447

Character model is the equivalent of a stick figure, looks like a schoolkid made it, not hot enough

Loader rig is blue for some reason and I'm too bad to unlock the alt skin

0/10

>>16906632

>>16906638

>Doesn't know how to quote

>Telling people to go back to reddit

Sounds like you should head back there.

>>16906632

I'll read your dumb "you're either for me or against me" trite once you format it properly. We have standards here, not reddit gold.

You can fuck off with your "you're a centrist, that means you don't have an opinion" because hating your guts as much as the left is a perfectly valid stance to take.

You don't get to complain about "both sides r dumb" when you contribute to it.

>>16906657

Imagine getting this bothered by a joke

>>16906670

Imagine getting this replied by a post

>>16906674

Replying to this imagine by a get.

>>16906662

I want to see the rate of fire on those turrets

>>16906662

I want to see the meathook rape.

>>16906680

>>16906688

It's amazing. They fire like miniguns, roughly every half a second they pull everyone together and as soon as anyone dies, everyone fucking explodes in a massive radius.

Sadly the run is already over. Started a teleporter, the boss was a bunch of wisps that blew me apart faster than my turrets could stand up.

>>16906691

>Starting a teleporter before placing your turrets

Rookie mistake

>>16906689

Commando's basic alternate sucks, that is his only bad ability. He still has crazy high scaling.

>>16906697

Yes but

>compared to huntress can't kite like hell and his roll isn't instantaneous, 3DOF or iframed

>compared to mercenary gets no iframes and doesn't start with a double jump

>compared to acrid starts with a pretty shit aoe and no melee

>compared to engineer has no sentries

And so on. He's bland, three of his abilities do the same thing in different ways by default, and that makes him bad. He still scales about the same, but he's a very boring everyman. A jack of two trades that just so happen to be enough for most things.

>>16906700

>>16906700

>He still scales about the same

No. He has a 1.2 proc coefficient, and rapid fire has insane attackspeed scaling. Also his slide scales with movespeed. He can snowball insanely fast with a few procs and attack speed.

>>16906709

Your mom is boring. Also git gud.

>>16906704

Also, I have no idea where you pulled 1.2 from. His primary is two shots of proc 1, everything else basic is also 1, which is still pretty good, but doesn't make him any less bland.

>>16906700

the trick with commando is that he has decently good abilities that only really get good if you can master managing his movement and his roll/slide to avoid incoming damage.

i really wish they would give us an alternate to double tap and maybe implement i-frames on his roll.

and also be consistent and give every character a passive, instead of just the ones they feel deserve it.

>>16906711

>>16906711

>but doesn't make him any less bland.

Phase blast and slide are far from bland. You have shit taste. Complaining about lack of i-frames is peak casual.

>>16906720

i mean, he had i-frames in 1, and merc gets i-frames, so i dont see why they didn't give him any.

>>16906731

Then maybe the faggot should stop stating his opinion as fact.

>>16906732

in his defense you can still get lockboxes in command runs.

if i do command i always nab a key on stage 1 for the free item.

>>16906744

swear to god they work, even with the artifact of sacrifice it will still spawn a lockbox.

>>16906744

wait anon, you do know that lockboxes dont spawn unless you have at least somebody has one rusted key right?

>>16906744

>>16906746

I nominate e8fe8c magical baka of the month

>>16906750

agreed.

>>16906744

>Keys seriously unlock lockboxes during runs?

That's their entire and only purpose, pick a key and lockboxes start spawning in the next levels.

There's a single one per level AFAIK and they're hard to figure out from the scenery most of the time, but it's still a free item and I've gotten some good shit with it once you get a decent amount of them.

>>16906761

The higher the amount of keys you have, the higher chance of a rare item dropping you get.

>>16906768

25 keys give you around a 75% chance of a red item, 20% chance of a green item and like 10% chance of white, i think.

>>16906775

wait, just checked math was wrong, its 6.64% white, 41.49% green, and 51.87% red at 25 keys.

you'd need 50 to reach 70% chance red item.

>everyone is still dumb and bad

>especially that one guy shitting on huntress because he hasn't unlocked any skills for her yet and probably tries to facetank things

>>16906689

to be fair, command makes the game a cakewalk for anyone and you snowball extremely fast.

>>16906787

i think roll is still technically better but the slide feels MUCH more fun to use.

also, let me deal damage by sliding into enemy's.

>>16906794

Slide is much better, especially with the trick where you slide, jump and sprint at the same time, to slide through the air while still being able to shoot. Plus, slide scales with movement speed while roll doesn't.

>>16906790

People really should just stop playing with command.

>>16906787

<The slide is absolutely a godsend

>slide under beetle queen

>pump 5 phase blasts into her

Supreme feel.

>>16906801

really? i thought for sure roll scaled with movespeed?

i prefer slide to roll, but i still think roll is the better defensive utility.

New character won the poll btw.

>>16906826

Sorry, I could only stand to read so many wrong and dumb posts before giving up and scrolling to the bottom.

>>16906827

your wrong and dumb.

>>16906828

no u

>>16898399

>it's sorta edgy to be a brony

What the fuck are you even talking about

>>16906832

Because worthless sodomites who are incapable of accomplish anything know they will forveer be worthless so they always whine about seeing characters who share a single trait with them (the only trait that matters to them) in media that they can #identify with to vicariously live through and self insert as a way of staving off the crushing reality of how worthless they are.

>>16906817

>>16906794

>>16906801

I'm willing to bet the devs had recently played Vanquish, saw the slide there and said "That! We want some of that good shit!" because that's what it feels like.

Except it doesn't kill off your survivability, doesn't require button mashing to be used more often and doesn't translate into fast cover movement mostly.

>>16906829

>what the fuck are you actually talking about?

Literally anything else but the thread's topic to see if anyone joins up and derails it. That's how mad some people are that you're playing a videogame they do not approve of.

Alternatively, about how everything is politics and you're a cuck for playing videogames instead of making more white babies, because it's either that or you should try communism when it comes to these "everything is politics!" types.

Just report the posts and ignore it, you can look at him as touhou fans look at secondaries, because that's what he is, a secondary to videogames.

>>16906832

People that like the concept of videogames more than videogames themselves care more about the head cannon they write than the gameplay of whatever the fuck they are talking about.

That's just it, it's the fantasies they like to spend time thinking about.

>>16906862

>All we need now is an item that gives Utility abilities damage

But half of characters already have utility abilities that deal damage. But I'm not against the idea of breaking an Elder Lemurian's knees by sliding into him.

>>16906969

Talk about the game then and report the derailing retard whenever he makes a post thats what I've been doing.

Hes been refusing to talk about the game AT ALL because he hates it (As indicated from his first post) so hes derailing the thread to make it hit the bump limit faster and you goofballs are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

Hes pretty much picking up where 54a653 left off.

I wouldn't be surpised if make leaves his posts up though.

>>16906986

ok, than has ANYBODY found any use out of the corpsebloom item?

>>16906989

Absolutely no. It won't be usable until they remove the cap on healing-over-time. It doesn't matter if it doubles, triples or even quadruples healing received if healing-over-time can't heal more than a certain percentage of your health per second.

>>16906994

does it at least interact with nkuhana?

im sure theres a way you can utilize it.

>>16906986

Expect plenty of "why were my posts derailed? fucking cake jew!" when that happens because fortunnaly the moderation team actually does their job here (sometimes more eagerly than necessary, though).

Expect that to do nothing because it's likely that he's already switching IDs anyway, but at least it butt blasts his autism a bit and you don't have to put up with it thanks to filters.

>>16906989

>>16906997

>>16906994

Isn't it just supposed to be used with nkuhana? It'd make every single heal into a massive skull spam since it reduces healing down to 10% of your health, the required amount for nkuhana.

Even if you pick more corpseblooms, it'd slow the spam but make more waves.

This is assuming that you only fire 1 skull when going past the heal limit needed to trigger it. If you spawn a skull for every 10% soul energy (so you fire 3 skulls if you're healed for 30% of your health, for instance) then it's just crippling you severely. especially when there's already an item to increase the amount of healing you get.

>>16906989

It has use early on when you don't plan on taking a run past stage 8 since you probably won't have enough healing for the drawback to matter, and even then it might bite you in the ass. If you plan on going far, it's entirely worthless outside of when you have transcendence and you don't mind giving it up to a cleansing pool.

>>16907005

>if you pick more corpseblooms

Never do this. Additional stacks also lower the max healing you can get per second, meaning it would lower how often nkuhana triggers.

I wouldn't be surprised if *mark leaves his posts up though.

>>16906989

I don't even know why its in the game when the Rejuvenation Rack is also in the game and is superior to it in every way. Corpseblossom is practically a joke item to me.

I found out from a youtube video that an anon posted earlier in the thread that 3-4 Gestures of the Drowned together with a Spinel Tonic works like a Shaped Glass with no downsides PLUS and increased attack speed and armor.

I don't know if the 100% damage increase works the same as Shaped Glasses 100% damage increase though, its still a guaranteed permabuff with the command artifact on.

I'm gonna try that out the next run I do.

>>16907033

Those Moment Whole scavengers have an attack where they just throw out a spread of grenades that explode on impact, and that shit gets me every single time.

>>16907010

i did some homework, and apparently corpseblooms healing over time can heal you at full hp, meaning you can keep aegis up easier, but that's the only thing i could think of that would make the item ok.

>>16907151

Nobody cares Mobius, go shit up some other board.

I keep getting my ass handed to me on stage 5 Sky Meadow on Monsoon.

The mushroom faggots are over tuned. If too many spawn, and they always do, they can just start throwing so much CC I have to leave the zone and they can heal everything too.

If I make to stage 6 I'm set, but it is a huge waste of time right now. The only thing I can do is chip away at everything else and then fight the mushrooms off after which can take me ten minutes or longer.

>>16907225

Just don't waste time on shrooms unless you can get them with proc chains.

>>16907225

I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE LOCKBOX IS ON SKYMEADOWS.

make lockboxes glow red so i stop missing them ;-;

>>16907271

i have no idea, but half the levels its almost impossible to find them, and fuck trying to find the one in sky meadows.

>>16907272

No, they do not have specific spots, they can spawn anywhere a regular chest can.

They did already buff their visibility once, old lockboxes were fucked up trying to find, but they're pretty easy if you're looking for them and know what they look like.

You could always get a radar scanner to make it easier.

>>16907271

Pretty sure it's a random location just like every other spawned interactable

It's rarely worth going out of your way to find unless you're stacking keys. I just think of it like a nice bonus when I do stumble across 'em.

>>16907274

i know but i swear to god they always spawn the lockbox's in the ONE place id never look on every map except delta.

>>16907383

That's all of my command runs at/after stage 4.

>>16907284

i honestly forgot cloaked chests even existed, i havent seen one in so long.

>>16897928

>I think that the next character should canonically be gay

How would this affect gameplay?

>>16908704

It is now an H-game

>>16908702

anon, im not smart enough to make a pun like that intentionally.