/v/ - Video Games

>buying games

>>16887139

>purchasing entertainment software

>>16887139

Ion Maiden/Ion Fury fits the bill, if you don't already have it.

Alas, I cannot recall the title of the impressive DooM clone in development, as I haven't seen anything about it in months. Not that it's hidden, but I don't go hunting for stuff very often.

Just download zdoom and install a whole bunch of different mods you dumb nigger.

>>16887313

This, there is plenty of content waiting to be discovered.

>>16887156

i dont want to small talk, but also as the title says, its for discussing newer classic FPS releases.

>>16887313

I prefer something that play like blood, Doom AI is too slow for my taste, i only found stuff like the AMC Eduke total conversion to suit my tastes.

Pirate Dusk because it's the only one worth playing. The other ones have either bad level design, bad enemy design or are simply half-baked.

>>16887139

Nightmare Reaper. I tried Amid Evil and I appreciate the graphics, weapons and game-play but I got lost way too easily and became a bit too boring towards the middle. Nightmare Reaper has a rouge-like system that keeps things fresh, a map and generally small levels that you don't get turned around in. You get to keep a weapon between levels and can improve your starting stats through a mini-game, making it not all RNG based for a rogue-like which is nice.

The sound of a shotgun getting a headshot is perfect.

>>16887496

I'd rather play Grezzo2

>>16887492

Level design was Amid Evil's strongest point. Most of the enemies did suck though.

>>16887139

All of them seem to me like such cynical cash-ins on secondhand nostalgia. Their target audience has never played the games they're ostensibly imitating, so they don't have to worry about actually building on any of the concepts that drove those games or even about representing them faithfully.

>>16888077

>doom infographic

>no brutal doom

what

>>16888210

it's all about burl tumd now

How was STRAFE?

>>16889471

>>16888210

I just took it from the mega with all the wads and sourceports. My bad, should have read it first.

>>16889485

>>16888077

man that pic is old as fuk. when was the last time anyone updated that list.

>>16888210

>liking brutal doom

Hey buddy, the Doom Eternal thread is two blocks down.

>>16889529

brutal doom is a lot better than doom eternal tbh fam

>>16889698

You said it yourself. nuDooM was released 4 years ago.

>>16889722

>4 years is considered old

Next you'll say that 6th gen consoles are retro.

>>16889751

*7th gen.

>>16889722

4 years is quite old in online-images-time.

>>16887148

>>16887156

>oh gee why aren't good games being made anymore

Dusk is worth buying, SDK is out and it's only lacking scripting, the mods have already started rolling.

>>16889798

>piracy is why good games aren't being made anymore

>piracy only started happening recently

Were you born this way or did you have to work at being a faggot?

>>16889805

I'm not against piracy. I'm against people giving out bullshit reasons to pirate something. Wanting to try before you buy? Sure. If you legitimately enjoy a game, why not buy it other than being a cheapskate? Especially when it's made by one fucking person who is extremely passionate about what he's doing?

Regardless, I'm not saying pirating is stealing or that you should stop but it's something to consider.

>>16890551

>>16889798

I bought a ton of games 15 years ago, didn't mean they didn't all turn to shit 5 years later to appeal to retards in an attempt to make more money.

Fuckoff with your fallacious bullshit

>>16887309

Despite all of the dumb shit that Ion Fury went through with the fucking lotion bottle, it is a very solid game and I was very sad to see that kind of bullshit controversy laid at their feet. At least they realized their mistake. Has really great overall combat flow in my opinion. I liked it enough to play it again on the hardest difficulty after I beat it on hard.

Amid Evil is a close second, if not equal in quality. It feels like the best parts of Heretic and Quake mixed together. Love the art the weapons are fucking sprites even though they look nothing like it and the fact that the enemy roster changes for each episode. The only weak point is that the enemy roster for each episode is relatively small, but there are 7 episodes of 4 levels each, if I recall right. The last level is a boss on each episode. So it's meant to be a constantly changing environment and roster. I'd say the combat is slightly weaker than Ion Fury but the level design and weapons are still really good. Chain lightning kills with the shock trident feel amazing.

>>16887468

You realize there are mods that completely change the AI in Doom source ports, right? Just to use a basic bitch example, the Imps in Brutal Doom/Project Brutality will make you completely reconsider "slow Doom enemies."

>>16890617

He's mostly right. The industry used to cater to "us," and by "us" I mean discerning customers or enthusiasts. They realized sometime in the mid-2000's that they could bypass us completely and appeal to a wider audience because gaming became mainstream and Hollywood-ized. Why would they appeal to a smaller audience that is more picky? It simply makes no business sense – it only makes sense if you are a "product person," or someone who actually gives a shit about making good games in business lingo. The simple fact of the matter is we don't really have buying power anymore. It's a lot like being a minority party in a democracy like the U.S. The silver lining is that there are still studios in Japan and indie studios that appeal to enthusiasts, but too often they appropriate mechanics from games intended for the mainstream which made those games shit.

You faggots convinced me to try Amid Evil.

Also, how's Wrath: Aeon of Ruin if anyone tried the early access builds? the one part that really interests me about the game is that it has a wristblade melee weapon that doubles as a mobility tool with a dash.

>>16889698

Well someone released a serious sam TC of Eternal can we just call the game eternal because it's as far removed from doom as possible before the game even came out. Yeah it's a demo and all but still that's some dedication.

>>16890679

If it was you-know-who they'd go "Submit" and "Japanese games are dead to us" or something.

>>16890679

>Even shit eating normalfags are complaining about the state of the industry

>This means nothing videogames are perfectly fine

Were you born after 2004 you dumbshit?

>>16890679

>Gets mad at me using "us" even though I defined it as a semantic term for the purpose of the discussion

>All is lost

>After I explicitly said there's still hope at the end of the paragraph

Anon, please don't skip your fifth grade remedial reading class today.

>>16890681

I would like to try WAR, but I'm not going to put down any money for it yet. It could be good but I'd rather wait longer for it to be polished.

>>16890775

too long didn't read

>>16890775

I do actually buy games, but my consumer habits are utterly dwarfed by most of the industry's primary cash cows. I believe that even if there was an adequate number of good games in the market worth buying, they would not garner enough sales for the suits that made the decisions that led the industry to this point. All you really need to do is compare the sales of the most successful games in an earlier period, like the 90s, with the sales of games today. It's not even comparable. This isn't due to some failure on the part of people like myself to buy games, but simply because the suits realized they don't need to cater to my tastes anymore, which are discerning because I've played video games for well over 20 years. Plus, I make a pretty decent income so the fact of the matter is in some cases that it's simply more expedient for me to buy a game than to pirate it (although I very rarely buy a game for solely this reason).

>we make no attempt to be relevant

I'm not sure how you believe the opportunity for "us" to be relevant will come about, since as I stated, there is no reason to pander to a much more discerning demographic. The best we can hope for is supporting small studios that make good games until one of them crosses the boundaries and appeals to normalfags. But 99% of the time when that happens, the existing power players will just water it the fuck down and sell many more copies of the same concept, rather than making high-production-value games that are designed intelligently.

>Our ideas only exist on 8kun.top/v/, and maybe some niche old school forums.

That is actually not true, or at least it wasn't true for a very long time (it may be true now that 4chan is a worthless hellhole with no original thought or content and this community becomes worse off with each migration). For a long time, imageboard culture was seeping into mainstream internet culture at large and influenced almost everyone. The entire phenomenon of image macros wasn't even a thing until it was done on an imageboard. Most people were simply too old or boneheaded at the time to realize that images are a more effective medium of communication now that broadband internet is common, or they lacked the knowledge necessary to create or encode images that weren't huge as fuck. Plus a witty image requires more talent to make than writing a comment.

>We're essentially just incels but instead of struggling with women, we're struggling with the gaming industry.

That is a pointlessly self-defeatist way to look at it, which is ironic since you seem to think I am the nihilist here. I believe that most other mediums went through the same stages of transition. Just look at movies. You have to go outside of Hollywood to find anything that is remotely good. The difference is that the indie film studios are more successful at consistently making good films because filmmaking has been codified. We've known what makes good film, for the most part, for a long time now. Game design is still struggling to differentiate between what is actually "good design" and what is merely "profitable design." Even well-intentioned designers struggle to separate the two.

>But don't go bitching on about how there just doesn't seem to be any video games catered to you because there's seemingly no market for it.

So uh… telling the truth? Again, buying a game that I like isn't going to change the minds of EA or Activision. I'm not sure how you think that is going to happen.

>>16890775

You can grow your company without making shit games.

>>16890775

>>16890882

Correction: Only shit games

>>16890884

>>16890882

You CAN grow your company by making good games, but only to a certain limiting cap. That cap is determined by the portion of the audience who appreciates your games. The majority of the gaming audience prefers shit games; therefore, you can't get as far by only making good games, which is why none of the successful companies make them. Hence why I don't understand how this guy thinks that we will "strike back" like "Revenge of the Nerds" or something.

>>16890901

>>16890831

where did I say that the AAA companies would do a 180 if people bought good games? My point was that what gets put into the market is influenced by what the market buys. That applies to amateur, indie studios as well. If no one buys "good games," then no one makes them.

There's clearly an audience for titles made by passionate people who care about the hobby. But those people aren't going to work purely out of the goodness of their hearts, no matter how much you bitch and moan about it on some obscure imageboard.

>>16890939

I'm not the person who never buys games that you seem to think I am. So I was not sure where your position was coming from. You took my statement about the state of the industry and market and jumped to the conclusion that I never buy games, when in reality I do. I simply think that it will not make a difference in the long run until indie designers figure out what is actually good, what is nostalgia bait, and what is behaviorist garbage designed solely for addiction and shekels. In other words, game design needs to be "codified" again before indie devs consistently make good games, and the well of game design thought has been poisoned significantly by games which were successful but not actually good.

>>16892041

>centered weapon

I assume that's a setting you chose. I think most of the footage I've seen shows it angled. Good taste though.

>>16887139

Amid Evil is the best of the bunch, imo. Solid game with a consistent esthetic and great level design.

Dusk just feels fake, like you can tell it's just a modern wannabe clone, while Amid Evil could easily pass off as a game from that era.

Ion Fury/Maiden while ultimately very different, doesn't accomplish its goal as well as Amid Evil does. There's just something about it that doesn't feel as good as Duke/ShadowWarrior/Blood. I think my main problem is that the levels feel big for the sake of being big. Lots of large areas with nothing noteworthy in them, and they can impact the performance a bit too if you're on a bit older machine.>>16887139

>>16892152

>Ion Fury/Maiden while ultimately very different, doesn't accomplish its goal as well as Amid Evil does. There's just something about it that doesn't feel as good as Duke/ShadowWarrior/Blood. I think my main problem is that the levels feel big for the sake of being big.

Did you beat the game? The levels stop being so open after the initial city episode with a few exceptions, and I liked the aesthetic of it anyways. The revolver is probably my least favorite weapon, so it makes the start of the game a little weaker, but bowling bombs, the shotgun/grenade launcher and the SMGs are satisfying. Things pick up again when you get the ion bow and headshot techpriests left and right and get the charge-up BFG mode. There is also more depth than I would have thought, for example using a single SMG is usually better than using dual-wielding because it wastes lots of ammo due to inaccuracy, but it can clear out a room really fast. I feel that the game has a lot going for it and generally feels kinda like Shadow Warrior with the weapon lineup. Unlike that game, however, the melee weapon in Ion Fury is kinda shitty. I also have a good enough computer to not suffer from any performance issues.

>>16892213

>Thanks. It somehow feels more natural for it to be in the middle.

It's because it doesn't block your peripheral vision, unlike angled weapons. The chance that an enemy is going to be right underneath your dick in a classic FPS is almost 0.

The retcher is actually more boring than the biogun from what I'm seeing. It's just a reskinned Quake 1 grenade launcher with more aggressive bouncing. The real biogun has globs that stick to surfaces and linger for several seconds, creating a trap, but they have a small explosion radius unless you charge up the big blob. The devs are consistently disappointing me with these guns. They're designed well visually, but do almost nothing interesting.

>>16892222

The biogun would be an actual fun gun to use if the globs had strings attached to each other if near a certain radius to spring out traps or block off certaim zones

>>16892325

Funny that you mention that, because the energy rope thing that the Scorpion shot in UT2004 did exactly that and it was one of my favorite weapons to use in the game. You could tie players together and they'd both die when the energy rope exploded. Very satisfying. Regardless, I love the biogun because it forces the player to pay attention to two things at once: You, and the floor/walls. I think it's rather underappreciated

It appears that there are 5 levels: snowy graveyard, ruins in the swamp, snowy cathedral, spooky forest and some ancient advanced civilisation ruins. I'm at the second level, which is generally more spacious than the first one, with both bigger spaces underground and with an open area that you spend some time in. And water.

I'll come back here after I finish the entire game or when something really new happens.

Also, I made a mistake; life siphon ability didn't say "gain lifeblood from stain", but from "slain". Another power up is the ability to breathe underwater. You can't hold breath indefinitely underwater, but there's no UI actually indicating that.

I wonder what ID will I have this time.

>>16894503

>>16894510

>durrhurr newfag newfag

The info graphic literally says 4chan on it. It is an explicitly cuckchanner image and a recent one at that. >>16888077

It includes cucked whining about /pol/ that was already mocked by others. >>16889471

https://www.bitchute.com/video/zyRGIRQ5fey3/

>let's record this bit I died at befo-

>game ends

There aren't 5 levels yet, the hub level just has placeholders. The verdict is simple, Wrath: Aeon of Ruin is unfinished yet.

>>16888077

>cuckchan

>muh /pol/

>>16896015

>"us"

Take your own advice and fuck off, and take your hive mind bullshit with you.

I know it's not "classic" but ULTRAKILL FUCKING WHEN

Bumpan with a question, what do you anons think of trichording in 6DoF shooters like Descent or (more relevantly) Overload?

I really like it as a movement gimmick.

>>16897033

>Spire isn't out yet

Shit anon, why do you remind me?

>>16897947

>mediocre

The trump one was actually pretty good for a shitpost.

xonotic

>>16887139

> there are some early access games that might be worth taking the risk to buy, any recommendations?

postal 4

>>16897947

>>16897069

fun fact: so much of moon man has been so utterly erased from youtube that moonman doom videos are the only real traces left of him

Shit. I just realised I have been playing outdated version of Wrath, as there was a new update in February. Because Quake engine I can't port saves, either. The most annoying thing is that now I have to play twice. Once to check out first pick Garden, then normal version. This time I'm going through it on the hardest level (called outlander).

I'm not sure if it's intentional, but I found that there are several places where you can just skip parts of the level (not sure how big, because I haven't actually played it normally yet). I'm not going to record it, because I don't care enough to fuck around with OBS right now.

I decided to replay Amid Evil on Evil difficulty with both extra difficulty options enabled and only loading from auto-saves. I don't know if this is a mark of the game being well-designed or just being too easy, but I'm three worlds in and haven't felt frustrated in the slightest. I remember the next few worlds being a lot harder though, so who knows if that will keep up.

>GOD TIER:

Overload

Devil Daggers

>GREAT TIER:

(ULTRAKILL)

>GOOD TIER:

>DECENT TIER:

Ion Fury

DUSK (on DUSKMARE + Intruder Mode + No Mid-Level Saves + No Throwables)

>BORING TIER:

AMID EVIL

DUSK

Project Warlock

(WRATH: Aeon of Ruin)

>OH SHIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TIER

Hedon

Nightmare Reaper

>>16916864

>Found pic related on the Chex Mix twitter,

There's a bit to truth to it but Jesus Christ how cringey.

>>16916841

The lack of an overbearing hud and small weapon models are a good sign. It's free so why not.

>>16916955

>Hedon

Just because it's a paid mod or because it's actually that bad?

I mean technically the goal of that was never being a new retro FPS but rather some quy FPS adventure game he made using GZDoom so it's debatable if it's even relevant here regardless of quality

I mean technically the goal of that was never being a new retro FPS but rather some quy FPS adventure game he made using GZDoom so it's debatable if it's even relevant here regardless of quality

Ah, found the name of the game I was muttering about.

PRODEUS

>>16917241

They really need a few people to vet their posts for maximum comedy potential. They're close, but they're not even trying to work the brand name into any puns.

Then again, I keep forgetting the corporate HR harpies are trained to exclude anyone with enough intelligence to be able to consistently crack jokes, work-safe, or otherwise.

>>16916955

>>OH SHIT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TIER

>Nightmare Reaper

Kinda looks like a Christmas tree threw up on an Atari 2600 game. Does everything have to be a roguelite now?

>>16917201

Huh.

>Looks much better than the previous footage

>Weird model for a shotgun

>Looks a bit visually busy. Might be because I had the video on a low quality.

>Looks alright.

>>16917545

>It's GZDoom

Yeah my bad, I keep referring to GZ as the build engine for whatever reason.

Speaking of which, are there any mods for Blood?

>>16917545

I know people hate the coomer meme but holy shit, why would anybody make a game out of their porn OC? That's peak autism.

>>16917545

>>16916955

>>16917087

>>16917089

>>16917990

Hedon isn't even bad, it's just.. really boring. The game only got attention because it has "good" art. Look up the art, it's really not good. It's also really fetish-y.

It's literally just a paid Doom mod, it feels and plays like one. It follows the exact same formula as Doom and other early first-person shooters. It's learned absolutely nothing from games that followed.

>get key

>open door

>kill monsters

>get key

>open switch

>kill monsters

>beat level

The level design is horrid and weapons are uninspired.

If you're even remotely good at Blood or Duke 3D then you'll breeze through it with no effort.

Really bugs me that the dev made so much money on such a subpar product, had this game actually come out in the 90's it would have been totally forgotten.

>>16916955

Devil Daggers has a solid foundation, but I wish there was an actual game to it. Love the art design, love the sound design, love the enemy design, but it feels like a bonus survival mode you'd unlock after beating the main campaign.

>>16918006

>mixels

>rixels

>3D lighting effects

>motion blur

>no concept of how to shade properly within the art style

>no concept of how to use a limited colour pallet

>artist doesn't know how to draw anything that isn't a person

>all the women look like they're undergoing HRT

Yep, it's peak indieshit.

>>16918017

And the only people he knows how to draw are futanari musclegirls.

Just look at his comedic attempt at drawing a "normal" woman in the second screenshot.

>>16918017

>>all the women look like they're undergoing HRT

then how come their cocks are so huge smart guy

>>16887139

>>>/8bantb/

>>16920219

>Am I missing something?

Descent starts out way too slow, but by the end of the game it picks up a lot, in that there's just a lot more combat and a lot more enemies that can just fuck you up if you haven't properly prioritized the enemies in the room. If you're not enjoying learning the enemies and learning where they fit on your personal priority list of which enemies need to die first, though, you won't enjoy it moving forward - weapon upgrades are too spread out for it to feel like you're making constant progress. Descent 2 is basically Descent 1 but with upgraded mechanical features, mainly much improved color depth and other graphical upgrades. D2 was intended to be an expansion pack for D1 though and it shows.

Speaking totally honestly, you should probably just play Overload instead. It's not even a Descent game and it's the best Descent I've ever played that isn't called Freespace: constant feeling of progress, great and confusing map design, you get to choose how you upgrade your ship, and otherwise it's just an excellent game.

>>16920225

>It's not even a Descent game

Made by a bunch of the same people though, so arguably still Descent.

Funnily enough the fucker who bought the IP have made a much shittier game that's stuck in limbo because shitty early access coupled with legal issues.

>>16920219

>Am I missing something?

This is going to be incredibly unpopular, but no. Decent is just like that.

>but duudde SIX DEGREES OF MOVEMENT DUUUUUUUDDDDDE

Doesn't stop the game being the same shit over and over for several hours. It's as mind-numbing as the original Wolfenstein, easily one of the most overrated retro FPS.

>>16920229

>>16920240

So the core gameplay loop never changes? I'll probably skip it, then.

I've been playing Paradise(one of the wads that got a cacoawards last year) and holy shit this is sweet. It adds reloads, but it also adds instant weapon switching and a fair amount of new monsters and tweaks to weapons and it's stupidly fun. Try it, anons.

>>16920219

What do you find boring and really repetitive about it? Honestly I agree with the other anon that you should play Overload, since vastly improves on the game as well as varies up the environments and level design(although you'll be running into dark caverns in plenty of levels).

Also don't forget trichording. Basically moving in all three directions simultaneously makes you go super fast and the game picks up after it. I'd like to say keep trying with Descent since I also wasn't feeling it until I learned the mechanics, leading weapons and whatnot but personally the game turns to utter shit in every level with the hitscanner vulkan enemies, mainly because it forces you to conserve seeking missiles and you're bound to lose a life in that one corridor with one of them on each end.

Speaking of 6DOF games, Aquanox fucking when?

>>16920225

>and it's the best Descent I've ever played that isn't called Freespace

>Freespace

Huh? Tell me more, I haven't had much interest in freespace.

>>16920546

So far, the level design is all the same, the enemies are all very similar and I'm finding a lot of the weapons to be samey.

>>16920553

Oh, then try Overload. Fair warning, it also starts out fairly samey but it goes wild with the enemies(especially super auto-ops and the upgrades to the operators later on. Although I'm not a fan of the Valkyrie enemy. It's not as bad as the Vulkan drillers but I hate not being able to trichord drift into a room guns blazing and not get hit, and instead relying on safer tactics like seeking Reflex shots and mines) and level design(my personal favorite is the collider level where you get the Thunderbolt). As for weapons, you get to upgrade your ship now so there's a bit of variety there. I really like the Nova(dumbfire missile, on explosion it emits tracking plasma opposite to the firing direction that seeks out enemies) and the time bomb(slow motion bomb), and the Thunderbolt(chargeable cannon that can also pierce through enemies).

>>16920518

Descent 3 is probably worth trying, since it has varied environments and things like objectives and conversations. You do a little bit more than just look for keys and shoot robots in samey-looking mines, although the objectives are still inevitably of the "go find the thing" or "go to the place" or "shoot the robot" types, but with some plot laid on to them so they're not so barren. Looks and feels quite a bit different from the other two as well, and the levels are generally not the huge maze clusterfucks that Descent and D2 levels tended to be. I wouldn't say the contrast is as big as the one between Doom and Doom2016, for instance, but it's significant. I dunno if it's hard to find or hard to run or unpopular or whatever–nobody really talks about it in 6DOF shooter threads.

>>16920546

There were two Freespace games. The first one was actually called "Descent: Freespace" to try to cash in on the popularity of Descent. It had literally no connections to Descent, though, and did well enough that they made Freespace 2 without tacking the name onto it. They're military-themed space shooters that feel like the mainline Wing Commander games, but without so much focus on character personalities and more focus on the war. Really, they're probably still the best single player campaign-based space shooter games out there (and they do have multiplayer, and may well be the best at that, too); I'd put them far above Wing Commander and quite a bit above the X-Wing/TIE Fighter games. There's an open client (at least one) for playing them: I think it's called FSO although for the life of me I can't remember. Extremely highly recommended, although it's both sad and telling that nobody's managed to better them in the twenty or whatever years since they were released.

>>16920546

>Tell me more

As that anon up there said, Freespace is basically like a less campy, more engaging Wing Commander. I don't think it's better than TIE Fighter, but I'm biased because TIE Fighter is my favorite game ever. Freespace and Freespace 2 are fantastic games and are probably the apex of the "space war pilot" subgenre at a technical level.

>>16920577

>>16920640

Look, if they're the same kind of root game then I'm just not interested. I'll probably end up uninstalling it.

>>16921095

Yeah they're pretty much the same kind of root game. Wouldn't hurt trying the demo but I wouldn't hold my breath, I really liked Descent 2 going into Overload which is why I love the game.

>>16921121

What do you even find fun about it?

>>16921132

First I love the momentum and movement of the descent games. I made up something called the trichord drift where you go into a room facing sideways, while trichording, making you go at insane speeds and practically entering the room in a shoot dodge letting you take out at least a couple of enemies while also scouting out the room. I just love the movement, in my opinion in combines the freedom and speed of a space dogfighter with the complex level design of an FPS.

Second, the fact that everything is a projectile(For D2 and Overload, in D1 there's a hitscanning enemy that really ruins the levels its in. Even in overload the "hitscan" type weapons have a small bit of projectile fly time to them, and the aim is governed by where the enemy is actually looking which comes into play in the next point). This means that every fight is pretty much a bullet hell where you're constantly moving in all dimensions, bobbing and weaving through projectiles and prioritizing enemies with faster projectiles(missiles) or more numerous. In a roundabout way I'd call it an implementation of what true Doom is in 3D.

Third, I love the physics interactions in Overload. You can tell exactly what hit you and from where from the impact it makes on your ship. Furthermore you have a choice of shooting center of mass at the enemies for a more guarenteed hit, or you can try aiming at the operator sides so that they go off balance and they shoot elsewhere. Overload also introduces "smash attack", a ramming attack making use of your boost and it's also what I believe what the glory kill mechanic should have been in Doom 4/Eternal. Basically it's a super risky, high damage move that guarantees an enemy going off balance long enough for a lot of damage to be dealt, but also gives you back a small amount of health(and I believe it has a higher chance of spawning health orbs too but I'm not 100% sure). But if you use it like a dumbass and just bumrush any enemies with it you're going to be directly in the line of fire of enemies while you're charging them, meaning you'll be eating a lot of damage too.

Next, the level design. A part I really disliked in vanilla doom, that shows up a lot in The Plutonia experiment, is that in wide open areas you can very easily circlestrafe enemies with little fear of damage. Overload does away with this by having the major be designed in a way where you'll be cornered from all sides and have to bust out while dodging projectiles your way. The fight "arenas" are made in a way where there's a lot of areas where you can break line of sight, flank and be flanked, etc. There are very few areas where you can truly circlestrafe, there's usually a pillar in the way cutting off your line of fire or openings in the walls or whatenot. The cavern parts are more ambush focused with nearly pitch black areas requiring headlights or flares, both of which alert enemies(meaning flares can also be used as an ambush or a diversion). Unlike Descent 1 there aren't any fuck you ambushes, where you go to grab a key and get ambushed by like 3 hitscanners on either side of you. Ambushes and traps in the game are either

>Door opens near you containing either a melee enemy, or an enemy that does slow damage

>Lockdown areas(usually these are side areas) where enemies spawn in a tight area and you have to outpace the spawning rate or else you'll get overwhelmed

Finally, I just really enjoy the 6DoF movement. I know I mentioned it first but I'll mention it again. It's not simply a glorified jump or crouch. There's so much to learn and experiment with it, from trichording, to using the pitch to squeeze through projectiles, repositioning yourself quickly through holes in the floor/ceiling and just having the freedom to do fighter pilot stunts in really tight spaces and the rush of adrenaline you get when you go into a room and get out unscathed with pure skill.

Lots of subjective arguments, I know but Overload is something that really clicked with me, and it's a shame how out of Dusk, Amid Evil and Ion Fury, Overload is the one that barely gets any attention.

>>16887139

Dusk was awesome from start to finish (except that annoying level where you were trolled by devs with gravity being turned off), ost was 10/10.

Ion Fury was disappointing guns felt weak, don't remember the ost at all.

What are the best build engine games? In what order?

>>16930448

Duke 3D.

>>16930468

Not blood?

>>16919918

lol. play him in the beta. shitters whined and got him nerfed

>>16897947

at least it isn't dick kickum

>>16888077

Where is Mega Man 8 Bit Deathmatch

>>16887139

play Marathon if you havent already

>>16930448

They're all great games, but:

1. Blood Fags who whine about hitscan can't crouch and need to pick a difficulty where cultists throw dynamite

2. Shadow Warrior loses out on top spot due to hilariously inconsistent enemy difficulty, but still good and features anime grils

3. Duke3D EAR PIERCING DRONE WHINE

>>16923176

I don't know why I seem to be the only person who likes Ion Fury. OST was incredible and captures the early 2000s era of soundtracks – think Unreal Tournament games. Explosive weapons feel great, especially the bowling bombs, although the cluster puck feels somewhat redundant. Headshots with the ion bow, disperser and loverboy also feel great. The minigun chews through tons of dudes as you'd expect. Penetrators seem like a massive ammo waster until you realize that using the single gun is better than dual wielding unless you're in a tight room surrounded by dudes. Final boss was disappointing, but the secret level and its track were fun. I have to wonder how many people are biased against the bulldyke protagonist (who, admittedly, is a bulldyke, but I thought the Offspring reference was a good one liner).

>>16916864

>corn chex

There's always too many

>rye chip

>pretzel

Best part of chex mix

>>16917545

Jacked off to his smut, I got a love hate relationship for weird shit, he did try to purge some of his smut when people found his weird art, so he is trying to hide some of it. Game is okish, each update does improve and add shit, dev said he is gonna fix the weird ass character sprites. Wonder if he actually sticking to that.

>>16931827

Ok reddit

>>16931836

If you don't want to hear about the weird shit that goes on in other anons heads, you shouldn't be here.

>>16931668

Blood is quite possibly the best FPS ever made but scrubs don't give it the time of day because it they're too shit at it.

They're the same people who praise Doom 24/7. Don't get me wrong, Doom is great, but it's not the holy fucking grail of FPS games or anything.

>>16931830

>>16931916

>being against publicly announcing your disgusting degeneracy is somehow reddit

Ok /d/

>>16931922

>muh degeneracy

off yourself.

>>16916841

It looks extremely cheesy, it weirdly reminds me of Serious Sam 2. The original was fun though, so I imagine this will be as well.

>>16918006

>>16918017

Yeah, the art isn't good in any way. It's super inconsistent and reeks of Tumblr.

>>16923176

>>16931669

A ton of anons shit all over Dusk and Ion Fury for next to no reason and it really bothers me. They're both great and would have been considered instant classics if they were really released in the era. They understand and fully respect the genre they come from and try to build on top of it rather than doing a bland repeat of Doom's design blueprint like Hedon does.

>>16931916

>>16931929

>both (1)s out of nowhere

>both oddly hostile

Stop proxyfagging, please