/v/ - Video Games

No and since were here anyone have any good recs of games like Fallout 1&2?

>>16875790

As much as I like TES (don't shoot), even I admit this much. I was never one who was excited when they first got the license. It just never seemed a good fit to me.

>>16875748

>You think there is any chance in hell we will ever get a good game again?

No. If you want a good _ _ _ game then start making videogames already, work towards a future where you create the next classics, because the current industry sure as hell isn't going to do it.

Bethesda doesn't know how to develop a game and Obsidian forgot how to properly make one as well, so the answer is no we won't ever see a good Fallout game again because this industry is too retarded and enjoys fucking up everything.

>>16875834

They know how to develop at least one type of game fine. And I don't see anyone else doing it any better.

It's just not a good fit for Fallout.

>>16875843

Ironically, NCR was an irredeemably bad faction

>>16875843

> western contemporary writer that would display competency

God Western shit in general has gone down the drain.

>>16875843

>Avellone is butthurt that it's not about (figurative?) niggers who are permanently stuck in ruins covered in filth 300 years after the war

Are you sure that's Avellone? I mean the game he made wasn't even about that. Sounds more like Bethesda.

Side note has anyone heard from Tim Cain? allegedly he is still working at obsidian.

>>16875790

> Avellone himself was so embarrassed by talking animals

They wouldn't be so bad if the game didn't consider them good, righteous and "honorable", being able to sense evil, making the player a bad guy for killing them for shitting up his ancestral home. The whole karma system went to shit in Fallout 2 because it represented good-evil axis when it wasn't supposed to be like this. But it's forgivable, since the game's excellent in every other way. People give it lots of shit for popculture references, but for me it was what made this game what it is - in contrast with sad and serious F1.

>>16875843

tl;dr on this pdf? Formatting gives me cancer.

>>16875835

>I don't see anyone else doing it better

No company in this industry will make a proper Fallout game especially with Nu-Obsidian proving this to be the case with outerworlds.

>>16875864

>with outerworlds.

Ok can some Anon tell me what the game's deal is?

>>16875864

>No company in this industry will make a proper Fallout game

Check out Iron Tower Studio, they're making a Colony Ship RPG, could be considered a spiritual successor of original Fallout despite being sci-fi.

>>16875867

>CAPITALISM BAD

There, summed it up for you.

>>16875861

Buying a license of a setting shouldn't give you ultimate say on the previously established canon with an existing fanbase, unless you're bethesda and have carefully cultivated subhuman shit-eaters with 70IQ who accept "bethesda community moderators" as agents of higher power who hold absolute truths.

NMA vs. Bethesda Forums

>>16875867

It's shit.

It's borderlands with same or lower quality of writing, but with much higher quantity of words, gunplay is also worse so is the roleplaying and the crunch.

It's a story where in alternative earth corporations became big enough to control galaxies, full of amazingly insightful takes like

>haha corporation bad, silly exec out of touch

>haha capitalism amirite?

>everything is disgusting, tranny or lolsowacky

SUDDEN DEATH

Game features a word filter (presumably a pre-made list they bought) to filter out most common slurs in 5 or so different languages you could use to name your character

NO SURVIVORS

the slur filter can be bypassed by combining slurs so while you can't be "nigger" or "faggot", "nigger faggot" is fine"

>>16875885

>Buying a license of a setting shouldn't give you ultimate say on the previously established canon

I guess the owners were in no position to make conditions.

>>16876055

Why does only half the map have mountains? How fucking lazy can you be

>>16875988

interplay was already a shell of its former self by the time they sold fallout to bethesda. ironically, fallout was partly involved with the ultimate failure of interplay/black isle. the cancellation of fallout 3(Van Buren; aka the real one) pretty much ended the company. its kind of sad, one of the best things interplay put out was one of their very last: temple of elemental evil (at least after a decade of fan fixes). they definitely had the talent to do a proper fallout 3, and they might have endured if they found the funding to finish it.

if you're curious, this is the playable tech demo for interplay's fallout 3: https://www.nma-fallout.com/resources/van-burens-technical-demo.71/

>>16875748

>ever get a good fallout game again?

Underrail already came out.

what new vegas mods do you guys recommend? I remember some anon years ago post his ultimate new Vegas experience sadly I lost it long ago

>>16876261

heres a good start

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ci3sNT0wcrbjETw4sM7JqlK-zmcjoLqJFSjqhmTjk_0/edit#gid=0

>You think there is any chance in hell we will ever get a good fallout game again?

No, Obsidian made a whole game to smack you over the head with "it's over, let go of the past".

>>16876272

Yep, thank god the slavs love the original fallout so we can keep getting good post apocalyptic rpgs.

>thread reminds me of an upcoming game

>look it up

>its apparently in development hell

Well shit. How did Atomic Heart look to you guys?

>>16876331

Like a shitty early access title from eastern yurope trying to sell itself by the virtue of having a pretty picture

>>16876331

One of those common scenarios these days where I feel "I've already fucking played this before, I've seen it a million times". The amount of time that it has been in development shows that it'd be the same as other games released in this nature i.e Overly disappointing and nothing noteworthy other than its visuals in """gameplay""" trailers.

What made Fallout so special? I never played the original nor any of the Bethesda sequels so I really don't have much of a frame of reference.

>>16876579

Play and form your own opinion mayne.

>>16876579

Go play 1&2 and see for yourself.

>>16876598

The closest thing to Fallout I can think of is Underrail. Not just in gameplay, but art style and general tone.

>>16876605

Age of Decadence was obviously inspired by it, in terms of character mechanics, combat and the whole post-apocalyptic atmosphere, but the setting is completely different. Arguably better.

>>16876304

>I always assumed the wackiness from F2 came about due to the fact that it was a new world

The game is so wacky and memey because they wanted it to be a bit more kid friendly. That's why they put an unskippable tutorial in, added silly talking disney animals, and fucking xenomorphs.

>>16876928

>literally copypaste of xenomorphs that clash with the art style horribly

>avellone hated them

>>16876272

>>16876605

Remember reading that Fallout was supposed to be a kind of spiritual successor to Wasteland. https://archive.ph/8WkF3

Just haven't played Wasteland, or Wasteland 2, so have no idea if they count as good Fallout games.

>>16876937

>Talking deathclaws

>bad

>giving human intelligence to an animal that was already engineered from the ground up "damages the franchise"

>race capable of oviparity as compared to humans' viviparity wouldn't make for an interesting society

But noble savage literal niggers are fine?

It's k, bethesda has introduced fart dragons

>>16876098

>Canon is only what the consumer of said media perceives it to be

objectively false, canon is what the creator of said media says it is, regardless of whether or not they make it shit.

>>16877023

>It's k, bethesda has introduced fart dragons

>introduced fart dragons

>fart dragons

wat

>>16877034

>Didn't read the rest of the post

My point was that "Canon" is a useless term beyond what the author wants people to think happened. Legend of Korra and the Star Wars prequels were not part of their respective series' canon until they were written. Before that, their story arcs were concluded and the lore was established. Up until 1999, the Star Wars canon very clearly did not have super advanced technology and "midichlorians". Up until 2012, the Avatar canon did not have Raava and Vaatu.

But, according to you, anyone watching the original unedited Star Wars trilogy HAS to acknowledge that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker, even though this was not the case when the movies were written? And that people watching The Last Airbender HAVE to acknowledge that Aang has some blue tapeworm up his ass, even though it was clearly not written with such intentions?

>>16877286

Valid argument, but

>HAS to acknowledge that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker, even though this was not the case when the movies were written

It was the case. An actual example would be, I dunno… Boba Fett was the last of an entire lost race of legendary warriors, progenitor to the stormtroopers, instead of some bozo eaten by a Sarlacc that had a really cool tie-in toy.

>>16877306

>niggers in huts

What a whiny bitch. To see what he actually wanted, just look at the Van Buren design docs which IMHO admittedly went a little too far in the other direction with stirring up a war between NCR & BoS largely as a plot device to prevent the setting from being too peaceful and civilized.

>>16877316

>which IMHO admittedly went a little too far in the other direction

What do you mean exactly? Can you share some examples?

>>16877325

It's a broad, fundamental, far-reaching feature of VB's story and setting.

Other installments (and Wasteland) took place in an overall shellshocked, passive setting with a focus on rebuilding, with the prime antagonists of each game a shadowy background conspiracy (which Presper in VB fits the MO of, admittedly). VB took a different tack, by occurring in the midst of a hot war between two major powers, effectively a more pointed parable of humanity returning to old bad habits.

Aside from that subtextual difference, there was also the explicit choice of using "good guy" factions, former allies moreover, from prior games (NCR & BoS) into reckless menaces.

All of this would end up being toned down for New Vegas by virtue of pushing it into the backstory, and pitting NCR at present against (mostly a peripheral looming threat in VB) Caesar's Legion.

I can see what they were going for, and reading through the material for VB it produced a lot of cool stories, but it always rubbed me the wrong way, feeling just a tad too edgy and cynical for Fallout.

>>16877351

>lawful

>all glitches allowed

>chaotic

>glitchless

complete reverse

>>16877042

I'd love to see this little nigga in a later game preferable a non bethesda one so they don't butcher them like they did with harold

>>16877333

Thanks for the info.

>>16877316

Avellone at the time of VB and now is much different as he was recently complaining

>Hurr durr why is an area intact by nukes so civilized reeeee

>muh tunnelers will bring back the acopalypse again

(except they're weak to loud noises and flashing lights, something vegas will be able to create in abundance thanks to hoover dam, helios one and more)

>why isn't everyone a shantytown nigger 300 years after the war like in Todd Howard's Award winning series, The Skyrim: Fallout 4

>>16877351

>lawful good

>glitches allowed

I'm unable to comprehend it. If glitches, bugs and exploits are allowed why won't they just give themselves godmode and noclip?

>>16877333

>but it always rubbed me the wrong way, feeling just a tad too edgy and cynical for Fallout.

Can't see how two factions fighting for power and influence is "too edgy". I've read VB docs a long while ago but what rubbed me the wrong way was the whole orbital space station and huge devastator cannon that someone wanted to use at some point.

Also caesar's legion is a fucking braindead idea. A huge, quasi-tribal and authoritarian band is sensible, but explicitly copying roman aesthetics in post-war US is retarded. If CL used old US army aesthetics like Boomers it'd be much better.

>>16877727

Eh, I liked the idea, it meshed with Fallout's tongue-in-cheek Star Trek TOS-like gimmick of history repeating itself and ignorant survivors obsessing over something they found in some book to try rebuilding society around it. Plus it's sort of like ISIS being simultaneously shocking to modern eyes, and completely historically average compared to iron age societies, it helps bring home the reality of primitivism as a common element in post-apoc settings.

>>16877741

Did Israel even exist in the Fallout universe? They certainly didn’t control things if every country got blown up.

And it would have worked out, if only by Avellone’s decree since the Divide’s town was turning into a new nation from pre-war propaganda

>>16877806

Also

https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Euro-Middle_Eastern_War

>>16877806

>kikes got nuked

>they immediately started kvetching and pulling all available strings to get the whole world nuked in next 20 years

It all makes sense now.

>>16877919

F2 also has the kraut space magic gun.

The only good fallout was new vegas. Discuss.

>>16877951

Alternately

>oil dries up

>arab petrostates implode

>only functioning non-petro economy in region, israel, has uncontested hegemony

>>16877985

Have you played the actual Fallout games?

>>16877985

NV is just a worse version of 2, which in turn is a worse version of 1.

>>16877816

It is a bit silly reading a lot of this in hindsight considering how quickly Europe is moving away from oil in today's world, but I doubt Chris had a great grasp of the European energy market to begin with so you can't really blame him for it.

>>16877999

Nice trips, but the writing in the old Fallout games were weird as fuck. I feel like they only excelled in abstract gameplay as opposed to New Vegas. Had New Vegas used a similar weapons system to Deus Ex, where the accuracy depends on your skill, then the gameplay would have been on the same level

New Vegas is where the writing quality of the series really peaked.

>>16878471

>where the accuracy depends on your skill

but it does, the lower your skill the shittier your aim in VATS and real time, with even worse sway if your strength is insufficient

>>16878471

>a similar weapons system to Deus Ex

Then it would've been even less of an RPG. Really, I think the only way to fix 1st-person RPGs like TES/Gothic is to take the blobber approach, and make the avatar's hands/weapon/etc. invisible, so players don't have the weird, dishonest disassociation between animations and dicerolls.

>New Vegas is where the writing quality of the series really peaked

Well, naturally. You can see a clear arc of Fo1>Fo2>Arcanum>FoNV, where they became more and more mature as writers.

Oops, didn't mean to sage.

>>16877741

Not gonna lie, the guy in the NCR costume looks like he could man handle the twig in the Joshua costume.

>>16878470

Anon, that first chart shows it going down and the second chart seems to stop in 2007 - 13 years ago.

>>16878505

>going down

Very slowly

>13 years ago

Oops, lemme see… Here's a more recent pic, notice the main deflection isn't a shift from petro, but simply stagnant consumption. Possibly some conservation, but I suspect largely due to economic downturn.

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>But naturally this is retarded because bullets don't get bigger depending on who's using the gun.

In the 2D Fallout games this was to model the PC being a better shot at hitting vital areas and avoiding armor.

>I very much consider Deus Ex to be an example of first person RPG's done right.

I don't. It's not an RPG, merely an FPS with RPG elements. The primary mechanic of RPGs is the use of abstraction to eclipse player skill with character skill, Deus Ex's combat mechanics are biased to the extent you can completely ignore character advancement and still win.

In order to qualify as an actual ARPG, instead of just an action game with RPG elements, player aiming shouldn't extend any further than target designation.

>I miss back when /v/ talked about CRPGs more often.

Codex has kinda' stolen our thunder since le crowdfunding incline habbened. About the only flaw of Codexians is that while they're great about CRPG theory, their knowledge of tabletop is nonexistent.

Forgot pic

Ack, also forgot 2nd post link. Latter half of >>16878550 meant for >>16878515

Gotta lay off the smack

>>16878881

WW is optional. It's like using cheats in an old game to unlock big-head mode. Not even comparable to a giant talking rat that wants more cheese puffs, a super mutant magician that summons deathclaws, or poorly modeled aliens being apart of the main game..

>>16878487

>weapons system

>RPG

>>16878515

>what most qualifies FNV's gameplay as an RPG is the fact that bullets do more damage as the player levels up

>base the accuracy on the skill level … example of first person RPG's done right

Do you know what "R" in RPG stands for, or do you call any game that has levelups an "arpeegee"?

>>16885814

I dunno how a guy can spend two hours and wind up just cherry-picking a few things and declaring victory. The Vault 101 is not as relevant because if ANY part of a game is going to be relevant it's the first stage/intro area/whatever because the most players are going to see it and the most media coverage is going to be of that area. So they did a good job on the one part of the game that they not only had the most reason to do well but were already most likely to do well. The second point is meaningless to me. "The bomb hit groundwater, so Megaton makes sense!" Would an ICBM dud even reach groundwater? Wouldn't it shatter on impact? How did it reach groundwater if it's sitting at ground level? I don't have much to say about the other points except that I don't know what dungeons and loot have to do with Fallout games. Fallout 2 had, what? The Sierra Army Depot and the Wanamingo mine as areas you just went through to kill stuff and find prizes? Also, the original Fallout and Fallout 2 had plenty of nothing: all the literal nothing in between the areas of interest like you might expect out of an irradiated desert. The later Fallouts HAD to put something in between high-interest areas, and they had to make it at least minimally interesting to make it worth walking through once. If you were interested in shoving through a ton of dead library books and houses with edible food in them instead of glossing over the wasteland areas, I guess it's doing "nothing" well.

>>16885833

I eat one hot dog and suddenly start writing like more of a moron than usual. Maybe processed foods really do kill braincells. What I meant about Vault 101 is that it was Bethesda's showpiece for the game. If any part of the game was going to be good, it had better be the part that they'd be showing off at the conferences, that the journos would be playing, and that anyone who played the game more than once would be forced to go through. I don't give them much credit for actually putting effort into the obvious place, and Vault 101's just the first half-hour of the game, anyhow. I'll never forget how I skipped a little chunk of the main plot because I went to Rivet City too early.

>>16877724

Speedrunning is about fun at its core, only a tiny percentage of people actually aim for records. Breaking the shit out of a game is fun for a lot of people.

>>16885814

> All the quests are more morally gray than any quest in Fallout New Vegas

There's a quest where you can convince people in a perfect gated society to allow evil ghouls in and they will eventually get murdered by them. Killing these nigger zombies afterwards makes you lose karma and the nigger on the radio will hate you even after nearly getting eaten by super mutants on his behalf.

Fallout 3's karma system is so fucking retarded that it's almost comical.

>>16885814

>New Vegas has no dungeons or loot

>multiple vaults and caves with stuff in them

he clearly somehow missed the dungeons and loots

>>16885864

>Speedrunning is about fun at its core

>fun is about ignoring carefully constructed world, skipping combat which is the meat of most RPG's and fishing for exploits and bugs that survived testing

You're a weirdo.

>>16875748

Outer Worlds WAS the next Fallout game, made by the creators themselves as well as members of Black Isle, who worked on the Fallout series, that moved on to Obsidian when it died and that's the best they could come up with. As for Bethesda? They never cared about making a true Fallout sequel because they were only interested in acquiring an IP that was already prebuilt and recognizable so they don't have to put in the work. With all the body snatching they've been doing I'm impressed they even let The Manlet make Starfield.

>>16875843

It's incredible to think he was a part of writing one of the few games that actually forced me to really think deeply about the goals, motivations, and philosophy of every faction. Every time these fucking devs come out and market their game as having so much "player agency" and "player choice" its always "player agency within the parameters I define" and "player choice to make the decisions I want them to". Why can't I make my own damn decisions in a sandbox game and come to my own conclusions? It's all so tiresome.

>>16875885

>Word filter in a S I N G L E player game so you can't name yourself naughty things

>the game about "Haha fuck corporations and capitalism am I right comrade XDDDDDD" puts some of the most corporate friendly shit into a game

disgusting

>>16876331

Russian System Shock

>>16876296

>>16877070

what is it with the Slav obsession with post apocalyptic settings?

>>16885814

Euthanize the mentally retarded and use an essay evaluation of Fallout 3 as a criteria for diagnosing mental retardation.

> Super Mutants are tragic villains aping the main plot of Fallout 1

They're not, their orc IQ prevents them from contemplating long-term civilizational survival and their diet based on eating humans is the peak unquestionable evil because bethesda couldn't show them raping toddlers.

>Vault 101 was the best introduction in the game

>forced tutorial section featuring episodes in life that have no impact on the character and offer no substantial choices like being a toddler 10 year old, and a teenager

>The Brotherhood of Steel is a good inclusion, because they already completed their arc before the game began, which is unique in the series

Techno fetishists now became shining hwite knights that are willing to nuke the DC area because Enclave cannot be the good guys who turn on the purifier.

>All the quests are more morally gray than any quest in Fallout New Vegas

Blow up megaton or don't blow up megaton, really thought provoking.

Grey morality is a normalfag bait, things should be black and white, but within a moral framework fitting of the setting rather than "baby-eating hitler" or "pushover doormat jesus"

>>16885814

>Fallout 3 brings up the fact that a war happened 200 years ago, which is "better" than the other Fallouts

War happened 200 years ago, that is 10 generations give or take, somehow in those 200 years nobody figured out to even attempt to build something new, or rebuild from a destroyed image.

except ghouls there is nobody left who would know or remember the war or any of the pre-war contexts first or even second hand.

>A supermarket somehow stands unlooted for 200 years until just yesterday bandits decided to sit in it and do fuck all

>Retards build a shanty town around an unexploded fatman even though the nukes used were ICBM's and MIRVs when there's a safe area with almost intact houses next to it, or the fucking supermarket.

>>No one he's met likes Mr. New Vegas, so Three Dog is better

No.

>>16886052

>I'm impressed they even let The Manlet make Starfield.

They murdered Prey 2 and Human Head Studios for it.

>>16886067

>They murdered Prey 2 and Human Head Studios for it

If you're implying that Starfield is the recycled corpse of what was supposed to be Prey 2 I'm going to be really fucking livid. Enough that I never by or even pirate ES6. They are literally the skinwalker of video games.

>>16886073

That's the most likely hypothesis since in 2 years they made a teaser, and only thing that's confirmed so far is that it'll use the gamebryo iteration that was in Fallout 76

>>16886005

I don't find speedrunning fun, but you're a little off base because speedrunners presumably do actually play the game as intended at least once. They get their ordinary-play jollies first. Then, after they, they get some kind of joy out of finding ways to do bizarre things with the game, and that's what I've never been able to experience.

>>16886052

>what is it with the Slav obsession with post apocalyptic settings?

Reverse escapism. Their ordinary lives are so bleak and full of conflict that the only fantasy they can relate to is contrasting it with even more bleak and even more conflict-prone environments. Ninety-nine point nine repeater percent of them wouldn't even understand how to go about having a normal fantasy power trip; the rest are already high up in government and are as close to power tripping as they can ever get.

>>16886646

Solid Project and Asurah animation pack combined with b42 inertia.

>>16886786

>Solid Project was hidden on Nexus for some reason

Hate it when mod makers go scorched earth on their creations. Anyway thanks.

of course not, are you stupid?

>>16890049

a buggy soulless mess that feels unfinished masquerading as a sequel to a buggy soulful mess that despite its lack of finish is still a wonder to play

>>16890049

The class warfare would be turned up to 11 where the poor are all good guys and the rich are all bad guys. The whole technology vs magic thing would be boiled down to "lol magic makes technology explode XD." In general everything would be simplified to where it completely misses the point of the original because bethesda are a bunch of fucking hacks.

>Fallout 1

>doing unarmed

>but also wanna be charismatic to avoid fights as much as possible

>starting to realize my build is shit because unarmed and melee aren't great without high endurance

<unless you got crit unarmed then you're essentially a glass cannonI assume

Thinking of redoing my playthrough a thousandth time, I havent even beat the game.

Fuck I need to just beat it and move on to Fallout 2, the more I play it the more I realize how empty the game kinda is.

>>16890049

They'd pull a Legend of Korra, and timeskip from steampunk to dieselpunk so they can lazily recycle more Fallout assets.

>>16890308

I used basically that build in my first playthrough, relying on crits, plus explosives for tougher foes. Also, regardless of your prowess in battle, keep in mind you can bring along Ian, Tycho, & Katja for some extra muscle.

>>16890308

>starting to realize my build is shit

you don't even fucking know

in days long past there was a guy who did a forum letsplay of Fallout 1 and 2

his characters were hacked to have 1s in every stat and he still beat the game. There is no impossible build

>>16890376

Does someone have the screencap of the anon who has beaten fallout 2 using nothing but throwing rocks?

>>16890521

You can kill large animals just by throwing a rock at their heads so it doesn't surprise me

>>16890521

>>16890376

Constantly reloading just to win with a meme build sound pointless and tedious as fuck.

Has anyone else here tried out New California? I wanted to like it but it crashes a lot, the Enclave route seems buggy as hell, and I hate how scripted the mod feels; takes control away from the player too much and feels very railroady

>>16907294

Awful. it was a waste of time getting it all to work. its literally the devs and their favorite w-men self inserts which magically split and become the MCs of ALL the fallout games at the "canon" end at the game.

>>16907294

I played an earlier version of it. It struck me as really fucking try hard.

>>16907334

>>16907328

hahahha that so funny wasnt the mod in development for like 8 years or something?

>it sounds just like the modern fallout games

>>16907328

>w-men self inserts which magically split and become the MCs of ALL the fallout games at the "canon" end at the game

I hope this is a joke.

>>16907339

I think their heart was in the right place but they were unfortunately retarded and made their shitty fanfic a large mod.

>>16907340

He isnt. They also directly mention le pop culture shit constantly. Not even hiding it a bit like FO2. The game straight out mentions fucking star wars and jedis when youre making your character.

I am just waiting for Fallout The Frontier now, if that sucks dick Ill just give up on modding completely.

>>16907339

>>16907343

That's why I wanted to like it, it seemed like a real passion project with effort behind it but the final product is just plain bad. The prologue in particular gives me a renewed appreciation for how Fallout 1 and NV start; they just turn you loose after building your character and let you roam free, instead of wasting your time for an hour with a long ass tutorial like Fallout 3 did, Fallout 2 had something like that too but it was no where nearly as bad. While you can skip the prologue in NC you don't want to do that if you want to grab the half a dozen perks lying around that you can get from talking with people and completing; and it all just kind of drags on.

On that note, fuck whoever decided that S.P.E.C.I.A.L skill checks should be used more often than regular skill checks, I don't care if it was mean to make charisma not shit it's annoying.

>>16907346

The Frontier looks good, i just hope it doesn't fall in to the same cinematic experience trap that NC did.

>>16875783

Underrail is not bad, although a bit different. The combat is more polished than the original Fallout, but you should be careful as you can fuck yourself with the wrong build by the mid-game and have to start over. It's not common exactly, but I did do it once because I assumed that psionics and stealth were a good combo because of the mage/thief archetype in D&D. They aren't. Also, get a crafting skill, it's extremely good to the point of near necessity.

>>16875748

The only chance is if Bethesda licenses the IP out to another studio again. Hopefully FO 76 breaks down Todd's ego enough to allow him to do this again. Even so it will be a cursed item because it will likely be rushed by Bethesda's demands.

>>16877727

>>16877333

Correct me if I am wrong here, but I think what 611fcf is trying to say is that the plot thread of "This is world was mutated so much by the war that it is now alien many decades and it would be interesting to see it develop" is more interesting than "LOL ITS WAR AGAIN GUYS AMIRITE WAR NEVER CHANGES LMAO," which I can empathize with.

>>16877727

Wasn't the Roman theme of Caesar's Legion deliberately chosen because of how alien and unknown it was to the rest of the wasteland?

Fuck all y'all niggers, FO4 was the best Fallout game in the series. GTFO with your "muh Nyew Vaygaz wuz da best evuh" shit.

>>16875748

Never. Chances are pretty slim anyone who would get it would do anything worthwhile. Expect more games Fallout 3/4 where they would think the money is at and lore that follows Bethesda's vision over the originals.

>>16885814

Was that by the Australian guy with the really high hairline?

>>16908681

>they're going to keep pushing games like 76

Are they? Did 76 actually made them profit to begin with or did they sell that much in the cashop to justify it?

Because that game got such a bad rep that there were more people talking shit about it than actually playing it, and the few that did were mostly e-celebs recording youtube videos about how bad the whole thing was anyway.

>>16909398

It's a question of how much development effort went into making it and goes into supporting it, plus server costs and whatever. I keep forgetting that Bethesda has some experience with that because of ESO, otherwise I'd want to say that they're new to multiplayer games with 76–not as an excuse, but for a reason for them to have no idea what they're doing.

>>16907626

>posting tumblr memes.

>>16907626

All of those statements are retarded.

>>16878495

Are you out of your fucking mind the guy in the ranger outfit looks like a small teenager in a big baggy coat. He's built like silent bob without the gut.

>>16909610

>>16910802

You should really look into the politics of the OG Fallout guys, those are the exact kind of statements they would have been trying to make.

Anons totally misread what the Fallout series stands for.

>>16915285

It isn't even that, think back to Wasteland and other '80s-era stuff it spawned from. The entire idea of post-apoc fiction was "war is bad, nuclear war is really really bad, mmkay?", it's the same as zombie horror, the genre was turned on its head by survivalist LARPers.

>>16915285

>>16915297

>You should really look into the politics of the OG Fallout guys

There was no racial idiocy and blatant shitting on the USA, as far as I checked. Obviously it had an anti-war message since everything got fucked up disregarding the fact that all the nukes in the modern world are incapable of doing so much damage, but it was mature about it, and make more than a simple good vs evil story.

>>16915319

Yeah, it wasn't anti-American in particular beyond being set in the US, it was slamming all the bloated military powerblocs of the Cold War.

>disregarding the fact that all the nukes in the modern world are incapable of doing so much damage

They are more than capable of causing nuclear winter and killing >90% of the population, but if you're referring to the mutants, that was the result of FEV.

>>16915348

Nuclear winter is a meme and a myth.

>>16915407

Don't believe MIC propaganda trying to push people toward "winnable limited-scale nuclear war", it was never "debunked":

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2006JD008235

>>16915412

The guy you cited has been pushing nuclear winter as a thing for more nuclear disarmament.

Here's a study from the same place that casts doubt on it: https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2017JD027331

There's more out there. You're not getting your doomsday scenario from nukes.

>>16886052

>what is it with the Slav obsession with post apocalyptic settings?

We've been living it for the past century one way or another. Just comes to us naturally.

>>16915348

Nuclear winter was a KGB hoax in order to deterr burgers more effectively from using nukes, it has been disproven for a while now.

The volcanic eruption in Iceland a couple of years ago threw more shit into the air than all nukes in the would could combined.

However modern nukes are MIRVs and are designed for saturation. Its less that their individual yield would inflict civilization ending damage, but rather the fact that they would carpet-nuke production centers and glass everything around them.

>>16886052

>what is it with the Slav obsession with post apocalyptic settings?

USSR collapsing was a significant societal breakdown, imagine your entire country become Detroit overnight. The 90s in russia came and went for the older generations but the younger generations grew up between food shortages, literal lawlesness and breaking down infrastructure, and thats where you get all the postapoc games from.

Gonna join the anons recommending Underrail. Great game with very solid combat and a lot of replayability due to the sheer variety of viable builds. Underrail's biggest problem is that most of the really good stuff in terms of story, characters, lore and locations lies in the second half of the game, so the early game lacks a certain hook to draw you in. The expansion is much better in this regard and provides a consistently high level of quality all throughout along with downright inspired visual design.

>>16915493

Don't forget about Yugoslavia breakdown and subsequent shitstorm, Afghanistan, two Chechen wars and Chernobyl. Lots of places to draw inspiration from.

>>16915783

Underrail is even getting another expasion too.

>>16915808

Not an expansion anymore, it's gonna be a stand-alone spin-off with a new player character. The engine is also getting a minor overhaul as well with more detailed environments. The only game I'm hyped about right now.

>>16915833

Heard styg is gonna nerf Psi builds. I'm gonna miss being a Grand Cave Wizard.

>>16886052

>what is it with the Slav obsession with post apocalyptic settings?

When i asked my grandparents why nobody cared about the cold war they said something like this: "If it's starts we will die anyway. If the americans dont nuke us then will the russians." It was an open secret how the CCCP targeted they own allies slaves to prevent desertation and joining the western military forces. Don't believe every shit what the brainwashed moscow dicksuckers say. Eastern-Europe never was as brainwashed as China or best-Korea right now. We would turn against the ruskis at the very moment they start the war, and they know this.

And after that? Surviving in a man-made-hell. We prepared for this 50 years. Your military training was about beating the commies. Our was about surviving a nuclear holocaust. It was a slavis wild wild west fantasy where no marxist slavers tell you what to do. It just you and the raped landscape. Both beaten and scarred, but surviving. What can't you love about this?

>>16885814

Was it this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z8XHe2NoAE

>>16915851

Day of Black Dragon soon, anon.

>>16916151

Remember when you could put that shit on caltrops.

>>16916313

>Fuck him and his shit opinions

Couldn't have said it better myself. Watching it now I am seriously considering going full Mauler on this retard.

About 80% of his arguments revolve around the fact the idiot does not understand that a lot of what he praise FO3 for are just questions of development time and resources. Of course FNV does not have as many dungeons FO3, they literally did not have time to make them. Of course FO3 is more cinematic, they had several years to make it cinematic. Of course FO3 has more stuff, since it wasn't made in like 9 months.

And so on and so on. The retard just straight up does not comprehend the difference between 9 months of development and 2+ years.

Been replaying NV, Dead Money is underrated

>>16916020

>>16885814

Fucking christ, imagine wanting a fallout game to be cinematic; stripping player choice and control away is always retarded.

>>16907626

>Class disparity and racism bad

>Consumerism will bring down the world with us

These aren't the themes of fallout who ever made this is retarded and only wanted to inject their retarded politics in Fallout.

>>16917231

Those are some pretty Dai Darkies themselves that you posted there.

>>16918568

>Vault City is so bad people sell themselves as slaves to be safe and not starve/get murderraped by bandits

It was depicted as an unsustainable powderkeg waiting to pop, with several questlines dedicated to things like reinforcing Gecko and Redding to keep VC from either collapsing under their own hypocrisy or going full leibensraum.

>>16918568

Also, if anything, it's a slam against Bethesda at least as much as the generation of mouthbreathing fans they attracted.

>>16918609

if it helps, theres a quest in Fallout: Nevada that actually starts the usage of slavery at Vault City with the MC convincing a whole wasteland town to pack up and move to the city, only to of course regret it completely.

>>16918555

>Bethesda wanted to emphasize that the horror of war,

Y'know, which is why they turned the series into a joke.