/v/ - Video Games

>>16850521

Dogfighting games are dead (not necessarily highly technical flight sims.. but those are dead too).

AAA RPGs are notoriously expensive to make.. and the ones who have the funds are faggots

>>16850526

What about ace combat?

>popular genre

>but they keep cloning old games because it's retro! instead of trying to take the goods bits introduced from multiple games

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>16850530

I used to like em on consoles, but don't have one now. I haven't tried any on PC yet.

That said, I like the space variety even more (more Wing Commander rather than Privateer variety).

>>16850521

>I'll die before they perfect deep dive technology for vidya games

>>16850545

I saw a popular youtube recommendation earlier reviewing Whataburger. How do these assholes even know about it?

>>16850555

It's probably got an air of mystique to those who don't live in Texas, kind of like In-N-Out for those who don't live in California, or Chic-Fil-A in any of the many Communist states that don't have those in this country. So it's probably trending among those viewers.

For the record, it's really not special at all. The burgers are just larger than average. I would still eat it over Mickey's Dick, obviously.

>>16850567

I pity them more for not knowing what a Texas Dairy Queen is like. I've been to some out of state and they didn't even have Country Baskets.

>>16850601

Depends on the genre.

Film is complete shit however. Even /tv/ can't find anything to talk about.

>>16850601

THIS is why everyone stopped posting cropped porn.

>>16850596

Fortress mode is slowly approaching a dead-end where the simulation won't be able to run at acceptable FPS on rationally-specced systems even early on in the game. Toady is surely aware of this and doesn't yet have a plan for getting around it. And if you want to talk about lazy developers, what about ones that make four or so dialog options that literally change nothing during or after the dialog? They're basically tones of voice for your response, and the other party in the dialog doesn't react to them in any noticeable way.

>>16850603

>Even /tv/ can't find anything to talk about.

That's because /tv/ is a shithole that isn't interested in talking about anything but the latest underage actress and shitposting.

There's tons of old movies from the silent era onwards that could be discussed if they cared to do so.

>>16850609

>>16850616

I'm not even sure how the fuck that happened.

>>16850609

>Toady is surely aware of this and doesn't yet have a plan for getting around it.

He probably can't into multithreading or doesn't want to undergo the effort to refactor the game for it.

>>16850609

If you kill temperature in DF it helps, my game got about 10fps faster last time. He needs to streamline some OTT mechanics.

>>16850619

Problem is, though, he's going to hit that wall someday. People bitch all the time about performance in large forts right now, and that's without a lot of the larger-world things working. As some other anon said in some other thread, though, multithreading is complicated and if Toady's not a very good programmer then I don't blame him for not wanting to stop and refactor everything. He's kind of in a corner.

>>16850638

>if Toady's not a very good programmer then I don't blame him for not wanting to stop and refactor everything. He's kind of in a corner.

I expected better out of him as another programmer, honestly. He seemed like the type of guy who loves programming and hates bothering with user interfaces. But it could be that he's just one of those obtuse Linux users that thinks he can program just because he writes shell scripts – which would also fit with the over-reliance on hotkeys and "modes" which change your entire hotkey palette, also known as "50+ year old user interface design sensibility." I don't dislike Linux mind you, but these people really exist. He should have at least been able to realize that the game scales up quickly and therefore should be performant when he did the massive overhaul to allow 3D spaces.

>>16850521

Is this a niggerpill thread?

>>16850654

I don't know a whole lot about DF development, but what I've heard is that he's more of a mathematics person than a programmer. Also, let's face it: there are programmers and there are programmers. A hypothetical not-Toady guy who's worked twenty years making codes in FORTRAN–even the modern versions–might be a great programmer in some sense, but programming techniques for one type of programming don't necessarily pivot smoothly to others. Even today I believe you could do useful programming work and not even work in the object-oriented paradigm. It's completely possible that he's always realized that this was eventually going to be a problem and still never had the time or desire to learn and perpetually deal with multi-threading, maybe just out of the specter of how nasty working with it is supposed to be. Come to think of it, considering how long-term his goals seem to be, it's possible he might've thought that computing power would keep ahead of him more than it has. That would be pretty naive, though. Beyond that, DF very obviously shows that it's been in amateur development slowly and patchily for a very long time without unifying UX principles: no two parts of the UI work the same way, even ones that do similar things or have similar hotkeys. He hasn't even gone back to refactor that stuff to work more similarly and doesn't seem to indicate that something like that is even a priority. Not that I'm saying he needs to casual-up the interface, just that sometimes you scroll with some keys and sometimes with others and sometimes with different ones again, for instance. I don't say he's a bad programmer, he's just obviously more interested in continuing to hang additional parts on his giant simulator and not at all interested in making it look or work better except insofar as he must to keep it usable. Even without considering the idea of bringing in new players by making the game more accessible (again, something I don't necessarily want to say he should do), he's got to think of how to keep the old ones who'll give up on it because it just doesn't run well.

>>16850667

Hosting servers and opening games don't do any good if there aren't players. Nothing attracts significant numbers of new players to older games. With no new games in those genera coming, the genera will not get new players and therefore are dead. This is the "things that depress you about games" thread, not the "view the world though bad-advice-colored glasses" thread.

>>16850535

Ace Combat 7 had a few issues on the PC port but overall it was a good return to form and it is almost as good as the PS2 trilogy.

>>16850888

just imagine how many quiet kids that were forced to listen to this lunatic ended up having an irrational hatred towards these low lifes.

>>16850706

I agree with the interface sentiment. I couldn't imagine working on DF myself and not immediately getting pissed off at how obtuse the interface is. My immediate instinct would be, "I need to change this because it's pissing me off and I'm in a position to change it." However, I understand that there are grognards who have their opinions which differ from mine and, admittedly, I have gotten to a point where I am pretty decent with DF hotkeys. Even still, the military interface for example is better than it was before but still completely obtuse and requires its own little learning episode, and that's after you've learned the basics.

>>16850521

>Arena shooters are dead

Dusk and their devs seem to be doing a pretty good job at making old style school shooters.

>RTS is dead

AoE 2 got a remaster that alot of people play. It's still got an active community. Plus that Starship Troopers game comin out looks good.

Stop being so negative.

>>16850667

You're right to an extent, but part of the charm with multiplayer games like arena shooters is that not everyone is the same skill level. When games exist for this long, the skill levels condense like a sauce that's been left on a burner for too long. If you don't believe me, try booting up a game like Tribes 1. Everyone knows how to use all of the multitudes of voice chat commands, everyone knows exactly what they're doing, and nobody asks any questions. This sounds good for a while but you will probably get bored of it. It's boring, knowing that every game you'll play you won't get your ass kicked or own anyone, you'll just kinda manage. This is why I want a new game that is supported by a substantial company to be good. Games are systems of rules and eventually you master them; it's just inevitable. There needs to be new blood injected with a decent amount of support to keep a genre alive.

>>16850892

While the classic FPS genre has been getting better with games like Dusk and Ion Fury (yes even with their little faggy episode, their game has some of the best levels and music), I am a multiplayer fag. I started playing TFC and CS online at the age of 8. I desire more classic FPSes that have a real multiplayer scene.

>>16850902

i meant for that to come off as a blocked memory. Something they don't really know why they hate those people it was nothing but a fragment of their childhood trauma.

>>16850907

Some kids just rebel at the stuff lectured at them, just for the hell of it. I was one of them. I didn't listen to all of the McGruff the dog, antismoking campaigns, etc.. Those were good things in retrospect, but by my teens, I dabbled with gangs and drugs. Here's hoping the same happens with Tranny Reading Hour and the pink haired school marms.

>>16850888

>When telling people that cutting a celebs 12-year-old kid not to cut your dick off is controversial and you get kicked out of Planet Fitness for that opinion.

What a weird timeline we live in.

The early 2000's trend of showing off a game's art assets went from being an unlockable to behind a paywall. I genuinely miss when shooters, rpgs, and strategy games would show off every little thing about their visual assets. Dawn of war still has the army painter, sort of. The Heroes of Might and Magic franchise was also good about this. The Jak games too. It was a really nice feature that actually incentivized playing something to completion or just having it available.

Nowadays I feel like with those so very important hyperrealistic graphics a lot of games either hide their assets away and just give you the game without showing you all the little details which kind of ruins the enchantment for me, or worse, they just sell an artbook with everything scaled weird or poorly-scanned.

Fuck I just miss looking at character models and pretty concept art as an excuse to have a game running even if I was done playing. At least youtube chronicles game cutscenes really well so I can at least have that on hand.

>>16850966

The mascot part is probably an issue. They're all giant expensive IPs and when one gets mismanaged the whole market sees it. Plus there's no way of getting around becoming a collect-a-thon, I don't think at least, besides what Conker did. Sly Cooper being dead in the water is a sore spot for me.

>Bannerlord has a set release date.

>It still might be a fucking mess that has to be patched for years.

>My real concern is if this goes the NWN2 toolset route and is consistently harder to mod than the original, meaning less fan content.

I'm probably worried about nothing but it's still plausible.

All the praise for games like the newer XCOMs, or DOOM, or to a lesser degree the praise for Falcom's work post TitS The 3rd depresses me to no end. Same goes for people online hyping up certain marvel movies as some master-stroke of cinema when at best they're the barest minimum of okay when it comes to anything including spectacle(See: Infinity War) but it's on a colossal budget.

It's like the second these morons get something that's flashy, has a super high production budget, and is marketed to have a wide appeal people go fucking insane over it and see it as the best of the best when it's below average when you look at the big picture and get some fucking taste. Even Disney star wars is somehow praised for its lightsaber fight scenes when it's completely and utterly inferior to most decent fanfilms online with a fraction of the budget.

>new XCOM

>A TBT that's lesser than mobile games mechanically(NO FUCKING RANGE INDICATORS, for example) and technically(it runs worse than Hi-rez games do which is a feat for how shitty their games look)

>but it has flashy animations that take longer than actually playing the game and there's this big meem about how missing shot is le funney so it's okay! I can install 40+ overhaul, QoL and bug fix mods for X2 and then it's a passable game so it's ok!

>Doom 2016

>An inferior version of Serious Sam or Painkiller when you look at combat

>an inferior version of Brutal Doom/Project Brutality when you look at the gore and pace of the game

>an inferior version of any FPS worth its salt when you look at weapon design, level design and enemy design

>BUT DUDE RIP AND TEAR XDDDDDD SHITTY DJENT IS ACTUALLY OST OF THE CENTURY BECAUSE IT'S #BADASSAF DUDE IT'S THE GOTYAY DUDE THE SHITTY SEQUEL IS TOTALLY THE HALF LIFE OF OUR GENERATION

It pisses me off to no end because it's the symptom of a bigger problem, where the masses are stuck in this retarded world where nothing but the most expensive, most marketed and most popular things exist. You had shittons of retards looking to trash like No Man's Sky and Star Citizen to "save space games" when Starsector, a 15 dollar game STILL in development(for 10 years, and never once have I been charged for patches, DLC or anything) already blows the fuck out of anything these games ever promised. You had how many people praise Firaxis' XCOM games for whatever fucking reason(if I had to guess I'd say it's because of the backlash against the FPS which I'm 100% sure was mostly fake gamer cred bullshit riding on the disappointment of a few genuine fans who didn't want an X-com fps which is understandable) and bending over backwards with to play Phoenix Point when a 26 year old game, unmodded, is a thousand times more advanced, a thousand times better designed and a billions times more fun than anything a heavily modded X2 could even dream of becoming. All those people who wouldn't dare touch Tribes Ascend or Tribes Next because they're no longer updated but would come back time and time again to games like Siege or Overwatch because they're constantly pumping out skins and minute balance changes. It's fucking embarrassing.

>>16850985

>It still might be a fucking mess that has to be patched for years.

That's not the part to think about anon think about how now the modders can make mods for a better game that can actually handle loads of units on screen without shitting itself to death instead of only around a thousand without chugging down too 15FPS.

>>16850981

I've been playing Doom 2016 again lately and right now I'm trying to find all the UAC files. Does that make it a collect-a-thon?

>>16851117

I'm not sure if you mean transport vehicles like the APCs, but yeah those exist in Tribes 2. Actually, I never quite understood why, but T2 is less popular than T1. There are servers, but there's at most one server on T2 that actually has players on it, while T1 will have a few.

Personally, skiing is one of my favorite parts of the movement mechanics. I come from Quake so I find placing shots on targets that are moving fast to be very satisfying. Probably my favorite thing in the entire game is landing mortar shots on flagrunners. It requires a lot of practice to be able to get good flag run routes down, which is also something I can appreciate. I think T2 had the maps designed with skiing more in mind, but many of the maps in T1 aren't as easily navigated. Also, I think that even without skiing, heavy armor would be able to move faster than normal because of their extremely high health pool and the physics engine allowing you to accelerate with the spinfusor. It's hard for me to imagine the game without skiing, since just about everything has low friction anyway especially in the T1 engine.

The main differences in T2 are the missile launcher, shock lance, and Shrikes. Shrikes are used as an important tool to protect against flagrunners because of their ability to just fly over terrain that the runners would have to ski through or around. The missile launcher seems to be the main point of contention for players who hate T2, but I really don't find it that obnoxious as it's a pain in the ass to get a lock typically and it's extremely easy to lose it, not to mention the missile can be evaded behind terrain. Shock lances can either set up some amazing plays or be annoying depending on your perspective. It can be pretty ridiculous to have a light instantly kill you with an almost Dark Souls-esque shock lance backstab, especially when you are flying past each other. The ELF projector is used to good effect in both games by some lights who can outmaneuver everyone else, then once the opponent is on the ground they can be finished off with a spinfusor pretty easily. I would say that the combat while skiing basically revolves around trying to think about when you're going to touch the ground. When you touch the ground, you are vulnerable to an explosive. So you have to try to use your energy to stay off the ground while positioning yourself so that your opponent doesn't have a good shot when you land, and at some point you also have a shot on them. It's quite difficult but I find it very satisfying.

I empathize with your sentiment that there are some parts of the game that are ignored, namely the most teamwork oriented ones. Personally I think the greatest sadness is how amazing the Torque engine was from a technical standpoint and how every player in the industry seems to have deliberately ignored it.

>>16851140

This was a really interesting post, thank you for it and I'm sorry I don't have much to say in response, except that when the game was released the heavy armors had a difficult time getting around and functioned as permanent staff for bases and so forth, unless they got in a vehicle to switch locations. They did not participate in chases at all. I can see the appeal of something that powerful being able to cross the map, but by allowing this they only added a variation on something that was already in the game, at the cost of losing totally an element which had been very important.

I'm going to start playing again though and give it a fair shake in its current state. I loved that game when it game out and my attitude toward changes to how it worked was incredibly hostile.

>>16851153

In current year this seems like a blessing in disguise.

There is a game I currently really love but deep down inside I know the developers will fuck it up.

>>16851153

Why are they legally forbidden to continue it? Midway won the lawsuit, and midway is dead. Who owns the rights now?

>>16851149

The cost of mobility is still very much felt as a heavy. You can go on offense but every time you move you're vulnerable because you have to get your fat ass moving with your entire energy pool, but that's what your giant health pool is for. Essentially, the heavy usually has just enough energy to get himself in position to start shooting, and you need a full bar of energy to make any significant movements so you're stuck for a while. If you get overwhelmed or miscalculate your odds, you're just boned, whereas other armors have a good chance of getting away.

I don't think that skiing really took that much away from the game tactically. All vehicles are still useful, including scouts because it's still faster to fly across terrain. It's technically possible for a light armor to propel themselves at ludicrous speed greater than a scout's max speed, but they have no control over that speed and they'll likely take a lot of damage in the process. The only thing is that nobody is motivated to get in an APC, typically. I've seen plenty of two-man tank and bomber crews in T2 but almost never an APC full of mortar wielding heavies, which from what I understand is the old school way to shit on the enemy base. I suppose it is rather high risk since you have five players in one vehicle.

>>16851277

"APC"? Tribes 2 had a havoc transport, which has 6 seats, 1 pilot, 1 bombadier, 4 passengers, and it is a VTOL craft. It's risky, but it causers more damage than a bomber aircraft potentially.

RPGs are dead too. Nowadays you only have linear ARPGs and shitty indie top down 2d adventures.

>>16851034

I know exactly what you mean, anon. It feels like every medium of entertainment has been overrun by retards who not only don't even know the names of important, stellar and defining works of the medium, they don't even have the 'literacy' in the medium to be able to enjoy it. Worse, these retards think they're hot shit because they mindlessly consumed several instances of samey shit pandering to the lowest common denominator. Several authors have expressed notions that reading many books is far less important than reading books that are actually any good, and I believe this applies to any genre. For example, /a/ has a belief that you're hot shit if you watched 1000 animes, but many of the shows they talk about are worse than mediocre. They even have unironic threads about vapid slice of life garbage, shonenshit and isekais where the majority of posters actually like the turd being discussed and I'm not talking about cuck/a/.

And what happens when masses of illiterate idiots flood a consumerbase? Easily digestible works with a shiny coat of paint become bestsellers, proper discussion is muddied with uninformed opinions, good works get marginalized causing the original enthusiasts to dwindle in number both from lack of interest and lack of new blood, creating a vicious cycle. In video games, the "shiny coat of paint" includes pretty graphics, heavy advertising and shilling, feature bloat and other things that require significant budget and manpower. Thus the big corporations avoid taking any risk they can and are unwilling to develop niche games. Then there are several other issues plaguing the industry, like leftist ideologues, corruption, copyright, patents, blind brand loyalty and much, much more.

>Many fightan' games don't have much of anything for single player

>We may never get another wrasslin' game like WWF No Mercy or Days of Reckoning 2

>Cool multiplayer games like Section 8 didn't take off

On the bright side:

>Thanks to indie games, FPS isn't boring military shooters

>It's never been easier for autists in their bedroom to just, like make game

>THQ/Nordic

>>16851317

Disagree. We have Pathfinder: Kingmaker, the upcoming sequel, PoE isn't that old yet, and hopefully BG3 won't be shit.

>>16850521

>mascot plataformers are dead

>P&C is dead

>All the IPs i enjoyed in the past where ruined by 3D graphics for a quick buck

>i lived long enough to see pixels become retro

wellcome to my world newfag, it's good to know that you are suffering the same shit your gen made me suffer, enjoy the ride

>>16850935

He's mincing impiricism with rationality, while being wrong about both

>>16850526

Last time I played it(about 4 years ago) Warthunder was a decent WW2 dog fighting game. Played British, but was too casual to go to something more difficult than Arcade.

>>16851435

but we can make it better, but i think you guys need an example. by using the first part of the panel as part of the second panel, as whats known as a half-panel, we can perform 2 panels by only using one, reducing the amount of panel presses in half.

>>16851282

Nigga, the voice line is "I need an APC pickup." Don't get smart with me.

>>16850596

>>No decent snowboarding since SSX

what about steep?

>>16850521

>Arena shooters are dead

Does this really depress you?

I host an AFPS server and it has mellow activity from dedicated players and I wish it were big too, but no modern game company is going to make a multiplayer game without microtransactions, some lootcrate shit, and matchmaking, which:

1. most players want picmip, or minimalistic visuals for the highest possible frames per second

2-3. AFPS players are probably too old on average to care about lootcrates, virtual bling, and won't fall for manipulative matchmaking.

If you really like the genre you have to supplement existing communities. But nowadays most people expect to be herded by marketing campaigns and call things "dead" when the player counts are less than 1000, or that there isn't a page full of streamers playing the game on twitch.

>>16851336

>>16851368

Boons just there as a guide and brand name

Mortal Kombat has been taken over by soy millenial capeshit faggots from Warner Bros a long time ago.

>>16851348

>Path of Always Online China

Faggot

>>16851977

Why do people like this exist?

They make corporate executive sociopaths and soccer moms look good in comparison.

>>16851929

>What do you mean you want to see game mechanics and visuals improved?

>Just play the same game you've been playing for 10 years

>I'm not insecure, you are

This is Projecting: The Post

>Planetary Annihilation

Jesus Christ, off yourself

>>16851338

>hopefully X won't be shit.

Yeah, and how many times have you said that in the last ten years?

Thought so.

And how many times has it been shit?

Thought so.

So why are you hopeful now?

Yeah, I thought that too.

Devs are clearly only about the $$$ anymore.

Fast and easy money, so that by the time anyone realizes the game is shit, the check has cleared.

Wake up, anons.

There will be no more classic games. None. Ever.

>>16852077

Hey blackpillnigger

>>16851929

Planetary Annihilation is a shitty, unbalanced game. I got bored of it when me and my buddy would win pubs by rushing space every match. Hard to beat giant lasers that are untouchable by anything except orbital units.

>>16852190

Oh and if you want something that's not a hitscan point-and-click adventure you've got Overwatch and TF2.

Overwatch is Blizzard. Usually that should be enough to dissuade anyone, but on top of that its a graphical and auditory shitfest of bright colors, particle effects, and retarded voice lines. Some of the ultimates are good. others are just bullshit. Everything does so little damage in this game you have to practically gank people with your whole squad.

>piddly little machine guns

>piddly little green sparkler shotguns

>skinny lasers which most characters just wade through effortlessly

>Melee is like 35 damage in a game where characters can have 800 health, and feels unresponsive as fuck

>Pixar models look awful in motion, and the animations hinder the movement

>Seriously they bounce around like spongebob or scuttle like bugs. Most characters are unnaturally slow and floaty.

>Kill feedback is distracting

>The area of effect for a lot of the explosions and "energy wave" type attacks is vague

>CLIPPING

TF2 is such a well known mess I shouldn't even have to explain. Bots, hackers, matchmaking, cosmetics, fags, and furs. Its gone. I just want stock + shit like gunboats and the sandwich. Most of the other weapons can fuck off.

>>16852217

Don't forget every map is straight path.

>>16852256

But Japanese games have always been bastardized in localization, it's just more obvious now because of the internet.

Not saying this isn't shit because it is and more companies are starting to censor because twitter, resetera and journos will do everything they can to purge wrongthink and it's apparently good PR to capitulate to the mob instead of fighting back.

>>16850521

>AA games are almost gone

>PR, marketing, business folks and CEOs calling the shots on creative direction.

>Those same people will bend over backwards to please their investors at the expense of integrity.

>No uniqueness or personality in games anymore. It all died in favor of chasing trends.

>Unique ideas or visions are sterlized or castrated beyond recognition.

>Multiple genres have been reduced to obscurity or are practically on life support.

>The unending monetization in games

>Games having less and less content. Unlockables now come with a pricetag.

>Almost entirely streamlined gameplay in modern games.

>>16850638

>and that's without a lot of the larger-world things working

Larger worlds bigger then medium become barren and stagnant, or die out to evil. e=Either way all the Megabeasts and Titans have long since died. Even Forgotten Beasts now can die out completely or kill everything in the world. This includes jacking up the bogeyman, demon, and night troll variety. Since the template will quickly lead to rapid redundancy so you've already seen it all after enough fortresses or adventures. Large worlds are just not interesting and it baffles me why people want them so much.

it's not the history is it? Adventure mode doesn't provide anything concrete besides music, which you'll only ever tolerate a small fraction of. Fortress Mode Dwarves won't go around making references to 90% of any of that history when you let them do their own thing. Viewing legends mode through the third party tools is the only thing I could think of in wanting to create and play in large worlds.

>>16852217

>Overwatch

Let me tell you about Global Agenda.

Global Agenda was Hi-rez(Tribes Ascend, Paladins and that god themed ASSFAGGOT)'s first fuckup of a game. It was a wonderful little PvP game where you had four classes to pick from(Assaults, rocket launchers and miniguns, with shields and whatnot, Medics, who could be healsluts or poison plague doctors and they were the funnest shit to play with, robotics, who were either shotgunning buff/debuff machines or turret builders and Recon, the edgelord stealth swordsmen or snipers) and went to town on each other in payload or TDM or capture points or whatever. Global Agenda had three main distinctions as to why it was a wonderful fucking game

>Every attack was a projectile, barring melee

>Everyone had jetpacks, which had a load of movement tech attached to it

>Jetpacks were an equippable item, meaning it took more than just holding jump to jetpack around and it took some serious skill to do accurate aerial attacks without missing like a drunk or getting shot down from the sky, it was the whole reason why sniper recons weren't the shitters you find in most other games but were highly skilled

Global Agenda was marketed as a PvP only MMO(it had instances which were like 20v20 or 30v30, and it had clan wars types thing which were much larger, I can't really remember the exact player counts) and it had the tagline "No Elves" as its main marketing gimmick where it shat on the WoW type PvE quests. Long story short Hi-rez being hi-rez fucked everything up, added a garbage tier PvE counterpart to the game which took precedent over the infinitely superior PvP, barely marketed the game and then killed it.

Anyways a while back, like 3 or so years ago they announced they were going to make Global Assault, a sequel to GA. Then they announced a certain gameplay detail.

>5v5 character based FPS with a focus on Payload type modes

What does that have to do with Overwatch? Global Assault was never released. Instead its skeleton was reworked into Paladins. If you've ever played Paladins(it's a fun game I guess but these type of 5v5 games are never really my thing. Also it had a serious issue with hitscan attacks especially since movement speed was so low) you might have noticed that hitboxes are fairly inaccurate, this is because Global Assault and Agenda had melee and fast and floaty movement and they just never bothered fixing it.

Speaking of Hi-rez, I miss Tribes Ascend and I hate how no one seems to be playing it even if the servers are up. Yes Tribes 2 was objectively superior in many ways but Ascend while streamlined was still one hell of a fun ride.

>>16852305

Not enough new blood, a brick-wall learning curve with no single player campaign or good tutorials to fix it, and veterans stomping any potential newbies into the ground before they could so much as think about having any fun.

I love the genre but even I have to admit that the people making games for it fucked up, hard. When they stopped making single player campaigns, even ones that were just deathmatches with bots, and never bothered to teach newbies about things like map control and advanced movement, the genre was doomed. No newbies means death to any game and arena shooters went out of their way to discourage anyone who wasn't already a veteran from even trying to learn.

>>16852327

Sad.. I picked that up awhile back on a sale, but haven't played yet. Shadowrun used to be a cool setting back in the day.

>>16852327

I don't believe in the holohoax, but damn that pic is so retarded

>>16850535

>That said, I like the space variety even more (more Wing Commander rather than Privateer variety).

Have you played Freespace 2 Open? If not, you really should. People are still making campaigns for it. It's single-handedly keeping the space fighter genre alive. There's even a Wing Commander mod.

>>16852374

>make JRPG in a relatively small setting with action combat and a lot of side content

>remove one of its selling points and is now just another JRPG

What are they thinking.

>>16852430

That sounds terrible. Just awful.

>>16852443

Don't anguish over that which does not exist and be glad for that which does.

>>16852430

Suddenly I feel relieved that I didn't play the Yakuza series past 5. I always thought it was either and april fools joke or it was going to be a spin-off. An OG fan I'm still disappointed they went that way.

>>16852475

*As an OG fan…

>>16852469

>normie

>>16852441

>I'm going to pretend that pub matches don't frequently start players off on separate planets, and build a strawman

Alrighty then. Come back when you want to hold a discussion with substance.

>>16852441

>>16852551

Come to think of it, I forgot that expansion came out. Did it make space have more strategic options? Because I really felt like the game was bottlenecked to that. I played both TA and SC quite a bit and I loved the strategy variety in those games, but PA essentially bottlenecked everything down to "Well now you have to get your units from planet A to planet B."

>>16852502

F

>>16852530

>sent to jail

What'd he do?

look how horrible the lighting is

>>16852587

well i seem to have posted this in the wrong thread, but its not completely out of place ITT

>>16852542

Still the opposite of a normalfaggot.

>>16852613

Pretty sure that you stop being a normalfaggot when the Swiss customs fine you for importing too many loli doujinshi.

>>16852584

No idea, check ED's Faceberg page I found out from there when the announcement was at the top of their feed, can't find the post now though

>>16852443

Styx is decent

>>16852711

The original Deus Ex is a lot closer to Thief than Styx is.

>Every tactics game released after xcum reboots is an nucom clone.

>>16852711

>Styx

>epic plot twist revealed in 1st or 2nd mission

>level design straight from an LSD trip with no logic or reason to it

>literally invisible or glowing in the dark, no actual middle ground

>making noise is basic as fuck

>styx 2 more like meme 2, obnoxious 4th wall breaks every second

>>16852443

>Aureal is dead too

>>16852718

Maybe, but if he wants more fun stealth games, Styx is probably one of them

>>16852750

Stolen valor is not a crime per se, but I'm glad the site is gone.

I hope KYM would be gone too, so fucking tired of newbies trying to fit in forcing old memes they saw on these sites.

>>16852190

You are correct about Siege, and I add the Q E lag kill(where you hitscan kill in a corner before the enemy can even see or react to you and go back to cover), but you are absolute wrong and probably never played Forkknife or Apex.

Not saying they are good games, but there are a lot of other reasons why these game are shit.

Both don't have sprint limit.

Both are quite fast, with vehicles and environment shit(jumppads and similar) to speed up things even more.

What makes forkknife cancer is turtling(and they will never fix it because "muh pro streamers") and what kills apex is the lack of a solo mode and the usual slowness of a Battle Royale, but the movement during battles is fine, at least with the grappling hook robot or the meth guy.

And last I checked it had a battle-only mode, where you start with guns and close to everybody else.

>>16852305

>>16852326

The community I was in (/v/ Xonotic servers), pushed to introduce new players to the genre without other players dominating, or at least involve some degree of shitposting fun. We went about as far as to include easy defrag/CTS maps so new players can practice movement, get faster, and so forth. The perceived obstacles to Xonotic I perceive are:

>the uphill fight against the perception that Xonotic doesn't do anything original up from Quake 3

Just about anything Quake will fall under the umbrella of Quake 3 even though it's a mechanic or map from Quake 1 or 2. Quake 3 is the kind of game that people will say its good on reflex, without being able to explain why they like it or what makes it good other than the fact it's been heavily namedropped. You'll probably hear anything as banal as "because you go fast and you flick sniper shots".

That said, we also had criticisms that were overly assumptive of Quake designs that did not make sense in Xonotic.

>utterly different design and balance from modern FPS

For example in COD, the grenade launcher is the noobtube; in AFPS, projectiles are considered to take more skill than hitscan. It's because the player character can actually move fast enough to dodge rockets and grenades, meanwhile hitscan can't be dodged. There'll still be people who insist that hitscan involves more skill, or that the player characters move so fast, etc, etc. You also have the leagues of players who only play instagib because they think its the ultimate skilled play in AFPS even though its not the case. This leads to:

>user mods and mutators where skills don't actually transfer

You get an instagib player that tries playing the regular game, but they get demolished because the railgun / vortex / sniper doesn't kill in one hit. Suddenly, there's the concept of armor, projectiles flying around corners, and they can't just shoot better to win. Or you get some "Overkill" player that runs at people with a shotgun upon spawn, but dying utterly because the shotgun doesn't deal 150 damage anymore. They fuck off to their subset of the game or until a whole new game caters better to what they've made. We also had:

>mutator creators shitting on the vanilla game because they think they'll garner players to their mod, but they just make the vanilla game look bad, thereby disincentivizing people to download the game that their mod depends on

And:

>map designs where hitscan (railgun, vortex, or vaporizer) is overincentivized and turns out to be utterly shit unless there's 10+ people on the map so one person can't realistically dominate

i.e the vortex lands while your projectile is still flying across the map,

>stagnant content

A lot of AFPS use classic Quake maps. For example, Aerowalk and Bloodrun has been ported to various games, it's not even funny. Even when the competitive community has acknowledged that map familiarity strongly determines the match, they still stream and broadcast the 1000th Aerowalk duel as though their duel event is going to bring new interest into an AFPS of choice.

When you have the dozens of map ports from file compatibility like .pk3s, .bsp's, and similar entities, you also have a ton of maps that weren't designed for the game. Thus do not take advantage of unique mechanics only present in certain games.

That's not to say that there's nothing new to be done about existing mechanics. For example, if you took jump pads, slick surfaces, water, warpzones and named them something different and made it a puzzle game, you got Portal 2 which was "new" and "unique" for enough people.

If you ever want to make a map to add new content and designs to the game— most people end up as:

>not being able to figure out how to install and use a 90-00s map editor because it's not a one click installation. (there's a package on linux, but most people are on windows)

>not being able to figure out how to make a map because either the tutorials are mangled with different forks of the map editor, and so forth

There's probably more I can come up with.

>>16852762

>t. s4fag

Gamenight next weekend? I think we're going for the first weekend of every month or something like that, to keep it simple. I am posting this because I was about to bump the old thread with a room or something, but it literally 404'd the second I hit post. I'll remake it on Friday I guess.

>>16850521

people who gatekeep

>>16852217

>>16852190

The secret alternative option is Halo. But there is still plenty of the "dance around as a hefty dude on ice skates and use hitscan weapons" type gameplay, they just tried to meaningfully balance it out with explosives and projectile weapons. It's not ideal but it's the remaining "arena shooter" option in the mainstream due to virtue of its more old school level design and game type options.

>>16852307

I am the type of guy who likes to see new blood in a game. It sucks when a community boils down and stagnates due to a lack of new players. You fight the same players over and over again, and eventually you learn what to expect. That's why I occasionally enjoy playing the game mentioned in the above reply, and why I enjoyed Tribes: Ascend for a while even though I prefer T1 and 2. Midair was also fun while it lasted. Both of those games have a pretty stagnant community with the occasional trickle of new players.

not vidya but vidya related

i miss superbus threads

>>16852915

Sure, the more shotguns the merrier but I'm busy six days a week so I'll only get to make one day out of the weekend.

>>16853294

I think it's partly because maps that are giant open spaces— where a lot of the problems with hitscan manifest— are a lot easier to make than maps with rooms, halls, windows, vents, stairs, junctions, and so forth.

>>16853137

isnt dangan ronpa enough

test

>>16852759

I'd rather old shit than 100 Wojak edits and forced reddit/discord shit.

>>16853423

Have you played ATOM RPG?

>>16850521

>Arena shooters are dead

Hm I'm sure indie arena shooters aren't.

>>16853462

>no kotor3 ever

We should be glad. That way, they cannot violate it. Let's pray to the deity of our choice for no remakes of I and II.

>>16853462

Society is too apathetic to care about KOTOR3, silly.

>>16853479

Whenever I see normalfags crying how they want remakes of games (even the newer ones like New Vegas), I wish for a feature that would allow me to bitchslap them through the internet. The game is fucking there to be played.

>>16850521

That RPG menas like 3-4 diferent types of games.

>WRPGs like skyrim and fallout

>JRPGs like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest

>Walking simulators are RPGs cuz you're playing as that role.

> all kinds of others too, Assassin's Creed, GTA, Tomb Raider.

The term RPG is too vague to be useful. When I say "I want more RPGs" I don't mean GTA and walking simulators.

How are game devs suppose to meet demand for RPGs when they don't know what you mean?

>>16853479

You think EA and Disney don't want to bank on the "Knights of the Old Republic" recognition and make a reboot that exists in nuDisney canon? Complete with Rey-worship even though she won't exist for thousands of years?

They'll hand it to a Bioware B-team (imagine being so bad you end up on Bioware's B-team lol) and then cancel it before release when they can Bioware, just like they did to Vicarious Visions and the Star Wars game they were working on.

>>16853485

RPG means only one thing, but idiots keep misusing the term, which is why it's lost all meaning. It's the same reason why the word "literally" is now a contranym in the dictionary, with the dual definitions of both literally and figuratively.

>>16853489

>DEGREDATION

Why won't anybody fix it?

>>16853490

>You think EA and Disney don't want to bank on the "Knights of the Old Republic" recognition

What recognition?

>>16853490

But until the RPG term is properly split into useful terms and recognized by both devs and customers well continue to have 1-2 godd RPGs a year at best.

>>16853462

The original Mount&Blade was also Early Access you facebook frog vuckchan posting nigger

>>16852502

When 4chan became mainstream, ED followed suit. And as a result it became filled with normalfags, just as 4chan did.

>>16853793

>And as a result it became filled with normalfags

When did this happen? It always had random people fucking up the wiki end, but last I checked, the forum community were the same small group of degenerates.

>>16853466

It comes really close to being amazing, but the combat mechanics don't mesh that well together in my opinion. For example, there's absolutely no synergy for stealth and psychic powers, even though that seems like an obvious build choice to me.

>>16853592

>or at least "he had had fun"

That one, though thankfully, nothing that fucktard has written is worth attempting to read anyway.

It's truly sad to see the mess Yidsney made of SW, there was some good stuff in the EU and to see this slew of sub-fanfic SHIT being peddled in its stead is sick making, that 'author' in particular is deserving of the rope.

>>16853592

<take Karê Kun

>take care, Kun

'Karê Kun' is a character's name there, granted it's not a good one but that's nuWars all over.

>>16853897

>It's truly sad to see the mess Yidsney made of SW, there was some good stuff in the EU and to see this slew of sub-fanfic SHIT being peddled in its stead is sick making, that 'author' in particular is deserving of the rope.

It's easy to blame Disney, but I blame fans. They're the ones that made Lucas so asshurt that he sold SW.

>>16853901

Star Wars EU wasn't known for creative names

>Luuke Skywalker was a genetic clone of the Jedi Knight Luke Skywalker, grown from cells extracted from the hand Skywalker lost during his duel with the Dark Lord Darth Vader on Cloud City.

>Luuuke Skywalker was a clone of the Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, who died in 9 ABY, created by Grand Admiral Thrawn to serve as his agent in the galactic community, which the Admiral controlled secretly using a legion of clones to replace prominent people.

>>16853499

>It would be a retooling of both KOTOR games to fit them into current canon.

It is like they desperately want people to hate them.

>>16853480

B…but anon its old and like needs ini tweaks to run in widescreen. You can't seriously expect people to spend like 10 minutes watching youtube tutorials how to do it. I am just not that kind of a hardcore gamer.

>>16850541

This shit really ticks me off. People so damn worries about cutting their dicks off and we can't even figure out how the brain actually ticks so we can replicate memories and tons of other stupid cool shit that should be possible.

Fuck this planet.

>>16850667

>Host a server

<Add ti the list of dead, unpopulated servers because hosting a server is like opening a business with product no one wants anymore…

>>16850521

>Things in vidya that depress you to no end

The fact that this sad excuse for a vidya board is being artificially kept alive by shills and stupid 14 year olds.

>>16851589

Dance.

>>16854045

You SHAZBOT, I am the greatest!

>>16854046

(retreat!) FREE TREATS (server spam)

>>16854591

Yakuza 0 was so fucking good. One of my top 5 games of all time. Mostly because of Majima's story. I tried a bit of Yakuza Kiwami and did get far because it was so shit compared to 0. Now you've got me wanting to give the series another shot

>>16854592

Yakuza 0 was basically Majima's game with how well his arc was developed although it had a really shitty ending for him where you don't even get to fight the annoying motherfucker Sagawa while Nishitani had to be killed off by some no name pig.

In 0 Kiryu had close to zero development and he's pretty much the same virtuous Confucian hero from all the other games, he might as well have not been in the game at all. I personally got triggered by the ending to the Majima Saga in YK2 that I dropped the entire series after that game, especially after knowing his role in Y6. Sega and Nagoshi can go neck themselves for cucking Majima that hard.

>>16850596

>Tranny Dorfs ever being a thing.

I can't wait to make a script that has a 41% of giving them an insane state at game start.

>>16852475

I've heard a lot of good things about 0, but if you mean chronologically, yeah, 6 sounded like a real shit show, and I'm really not sure what they were thinking with 7.

>>16854663

You should make it so that they can only get the "melancholy" fae mood. Whichever one it is where they kill themselves.

>>16853910

Granted those were terrible as well.

>>16854768

What about the mood where they strip off and run around until they die from thirst?

>>16853479

> People said anyone else other than Lucas would be better in charge of the series, they got exactly what they wanted.

I still don't understand why people hated prequels so much. Okay, The Phantom Menace was shit, but both the Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith were really fun movies with well written stories but wonky dialogue.

Is wonky dialogue really enough for people to throw away something that is a geniuently interesting plot with fun characters?

>>16854856

Yes.

>>16854856

When people are expecting the next thing-that's-been-a-classic-film-trilogy-for-thirty-plus-years, to say nothing of the fans and their autism, then yes. Star Wars was too big to succeed.

>>16854856

Anon, even without going autistically screaching about canon like the soy-guzzling faggots who buy into Star Wars beyond Return of the Jedi but even looking at them as films, they were atrocious. They were bluescreen CGI tests for a studio that could only work because the brand they worked under guaranteed the return of profits.

You don't to search far to see things like Ewan McGregor saying what a nightmare it was to shoot all day in a confined room with a blue screen as if they were filming the next skit of the Nostalgia Critic in his storage room outside of Mexico City. Wonky dialogue is the least of it and frankly, the original trilogy has wonky dialogue as well when you stop and read it. You don't notice it because the actors infuse it with charm, the action is good and the performance has a charm in it, as if these are people that get flustered and say weird shit from time to time or they speak in hick kind of way.

If they were good movies, they would be remembered more fondly and before some faggot thinks this is me saying

>So you think the nuSoyWars is good because it's competently shot

<No!

Simple technical competency doesn't make any of the nuWars films any good, even if they never included the old actors. Even if these films were the journey of Ray and her pet neggro to fight some goth Hitler wanabee faggot in space, they would still be shit because they would be copying some one else's adventures without proper context or any sort of character of their own. To give you an example, Han Solo does not work outside of the original trilogy because in the context of those films he's THE dashing rogue with a heart of gold that fell with the good crowd and made friends with the apprentice knight and happened to get the princess in the end. If you rip Star Wars out of him, he's the most generic D'n'D rogue out there that countless neckbeards RP as. Alternatively, you can't show his life story from cradle to grave expecting the character to still be good, because not only he but the stories he came from lose their mystique because : a.)they were never about him and b.) because that was never the point of the original story nor his own story. Lucas, when he made Star Wars, he didn't create a universe that was ripe with cool untapped concepts or some shit. He just set a D'n'D campaign with samurai and the LuftWaffen in Space and plastered Flash Gordon storytelling on top of it and it was fantastic it still is he wasn't fucking Tolkien. And if Tokien sounds too pretentious to you, then let's search for some one that's more of our speed :

Akira Toriyama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJqGirLjQn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFl6ydm7O-w

We can say whatever the fuck we want about Dragon Ball and how it appeals to niggers and beaners in America etc.but the thing is that Dragon Ball constructed its world the same way as its characters : as an always developing thing, an expanding subject. The idea of Dragon Ball, from the mystical and whimsical search for the eponymous Dragon Balls to the serious fights with Frieza and Cell has always been about one thing : the mystical adventures of Son Goku and the places it would take him. Toriyama, whether he understood it fully or not, whether he wanted it or not, had to make a universe where everything could happen, where it was prime material for all kinds of side stories because Goku needs an unlmited source of adventures. That was the point, for Dragon Ball to be a story about his most prolific adventures but not all of them. It's why things like Xenoverse and Dragon Ball Online worked and were adored but the Star Wars EU comes of as fanfiction that wants to appear as high-brow literature and cutting edge games.

/sperge

>>16853469

Almost everything about 2 was spectacular. Darth Nihilus was a cool idea. I would have liked to have him more fleshed out (but never speaking). He couldn’t (and shouldn’t) really be the “main” bad guy of a movie or game. But having him as the one-trick pony in the background that they pull out for an imposing presence and to suck the force out of someone would work. I’d also like to see the OTHER side of that, too; when they’re not using him he commands his small battle fleet, but since he’s a soulless husk he just “goes through the motions” and does a shadow of what he did when he was truly alive.

Darth Sion is also a good character (PREMISE). Now, he was written to be a bit too “edgy,” but the premise for his character is great: he’s only alive out of sheer fucking spite. His body is literally physically being held together solely because he’s so fucking angry (a directed, specific anger; not some general “WAAA I SO MAD” bullshit) that he abjectly refuses to die until it’s quenched.

And Darth Traya, of course, is something Star Wars hadn’t seen before In before blah blah Jolee Bindo blah blah Kyle Katarn: the idea that a force user can be neither Jedi nor Sith, having an entirely separate ideology that serves to destroy the bad in all else.

If Bioware hadn’t been behind Revan and Malak’s writing, I would like them, too. As a buddy cop-turned-buddy bad cop scenario. The story there is a great film premise:

1. The two most famous, powerful, and popular Jedi generals save the Republic during the Mandalorian Wars

2. They find the Rakatan Star Forge and fall to the dark side.

3. Revan is captured by Jedi forces, brain-cleaned, and pitted against his old friend.

If we had the backstory of Revan and Malak–knew their relationship, saw them have fun with each other, got to know their personalities–it would make for an even better, strong, climactic ending when they have to fight.

>>16854044

>The fact that this sad excuse for a vidya board is being artificially kept alive by shills and stupid 14 year olds.

You are just now figuring that out, huh? Nice dubs, but do try to keep up from now on, OK asslicker?

>>16854778

>And the worst part is, on top of all that games that came out during the ps2 era often still had more content and replayability than new vidya

This is probably what bothers me the most. Modern games are seriously devoid content and replayability. They're intentionally designed to be that way, as one time consumeble which is why so many of them straight up fade away so quickly from public awareness. Their memorability is low. Very few games in the past decade have managed to retain continuous discussion.

>>16855020

Projecting much, aren't you, goon? When you calm down and have actual evidence to prove your claims since you wanted to start the arguements then we can talk. But given how you angrily type verbal bile and spew it on those who disagree with you, I doubt it.

>>16855040

>I remember reading that Liam Neeson nearly gave up acting entirely because of TPM.

These?

https://archive.ph/fJbwM

https://archive.ph/pQ4zm

Seems like he said one thing and various outlets quoted him on that, found it even on the fucking Irish Times on the net back in 1999. I wouldn't blame him since the thing quoted here, both Ewan and Hayden quote later in interviews for AotC and RotS which is kinda weird since TPM actually was the movie were things weren't as constrained in the Prequels compared to the later two.

Only real depressing thing i can think of is i'm just not that excited for video games anymore. Only things i'm really looking forward to are a Spongebob remaster and a remaster of Xenoblade.

>>16851438

A panel is a panel, you can't say there's only half

>>16854976

>It's fucking retarded how Lucas almost bankrupted himself putting all those sets, practical effects, expensive as fuck costumes and lavish bullshit into the TPM production only to have complete retards go ahead and claim the prequels are shit movies because it's all made in the computer

Actually it's because they're just shitty movies.

>>16855040

>Uh… Clones and Sith were… good PREMISES for films

Making three movies of Darth Vader's autobiography and treating Palpatine's rise to power as an afterthought was a fucking stupid idea. Instead of actually seeing his influence slowly creeping it's way in, and how he actually tricks the common man into supporting him, it's bitch boy begging for sex for like an hour, or him and his master fighting endlessly.

>>16855487

Afterthought? The first opening scene already set out Palpatine's schemes with the Trade Federation dudes.

If anything comes off as an afterthought, it's Dooku. He probably should get Darth Maul in for Obi to fight him in the second film.

>>16855493

Wtf.. my typing is whack. I meant "probably should have let Darth Maul survive".

>>16855487

>>16855493

TBH there should never have been ANY SW sequels. He should have left it alone after the very first one. He would have been a happier person, he would have made other movies that DIDN'T suck, but instead he had to milk the tit dry and he sold his soul to do it. Plus we ended up with a bunch of shit movies that were SO bad that we end up talking about the movies instead of the games.

>>16855029

>the idea that a force user can be neither Jedi nor Sith, having an entirely separate ideology that serves to destroy the bad in all else.

It was an amazing idea, too bad that the game doesn't allow the player to do the same. I ruined the game for myself because I tried to be neutral, ended up getting the dark side Jedi Council path because I was forced to kill them all (I spared everyone but sided with Vaklu on Onderon, which forces you to kill the master there). It infuriated me that Kreia yelled at me like I was a murderous psychopath no matter what answer I picked in the dialogue, because none of the choices in the game were actually my own. Only after finishing the game I learned that you can actually choose who joins up with you on Nar Shadaa (I was stuck with a character I disliked because of trying to be neutral again, and the game interpreted it as a light side because reasons). The companions all felt repulsive for some reason and I struggled to find any connection with them except Atton, Kreia and HK (and Mandalore but he hardly had any dialogue except on Dxun). The ending also sucked huge balls with the character you bond with for the entire fucking game just dying, ignoring this force relationship that was the background of the entire game. It might sound nitpicky, but for the game hyped as a second coming of RPG Jesus, it filled me with disappointment.

>>16855546

You've gotta admit, Atton and Kreia are great foundations even if you don't like anyone else. I hated the entire cast of KotOR 1.

There is no Citybuilding Game about the pre 1914 era, which utilises zoning and has combat.

>>16850876

all skaters are fags, you are a fag too

>>16873789

I know that feel, anon.

>>16873920

>new fan maps for Thief every year

>The Dark Mod

>Hitman (questionable but still fun)

Go away niggerpill.

>>16850521

RTS was always such a failed game genre anyway. Single player scenarios/campaigns always sucked because the AI can't smart and multiplayer just degenerates into a stressful multitasking clickfest routine. There's no strategy involved either way.

Just like computer RPGs always felt more like character building lego and maze exploration simulators than a role playing experience.

>>16874152

You just played shitty RTSs.

>>16875347

JKA is still alive, check out Movie Battles mod.

>>16875353

Try Styx then.

>>16875347

It all went wrong with soycial media and gaming become mainstream.

>>16874152

>Single player scenarios/campaigns always sucked because the AI can't smart

Coding smart AI is not a easy thing. That said rts stories are still a lot of fun. I loved tiberian sun.

>multiplayer just degenerates into a stressful multitasking clickfest routine.

You are a autistic nigger who wants to roleplay instead of playing for real.

>There's no strategy involved either way.

You send out scout units to see your what your enemy is building and then counter his plan. But let me guess, that's too stressful for you.

>>16875937

>Half of the people playing rts games are playing it like city builders.

I was about to object that this isn't RTS-specific, but the more I thought about it and wrote, the more I noticed that all examples I could think of are in genres and games that are dying. Hear me out for a second.

Normally, citybuilderfags can be easily shitstomped because in any well-designed game turtling 24/7 is not a good strategy. The shitters know that and so they ghetto themselves into designated shitter maps (often custom-made) that make sane play impossible while rewarding whatever noob trap they fell into. SupCom's Gap of Rohan is a really good example of that, but there are hundreds of other examples.

Or since you posted UT2004, let's take the most blatant example from that game: VCTF. In case you didn't play VCTF in that game (I wouldn't blame you), the short story is that it came with no retail maps, so everything was community-made. By far the most popular map was VCTF-Klinika, a literal box with a wall in it, a dozen mantas, and an open air spawn that required you to run a mile to even get weapons. Every fucking match was manta spawncamping for 20 minutes, and every fucking time it was eligible for map voting shitters voted for it because not only do you not require any skill to play it, the map also actively prevented skillful play. It wasn't just this map either, the most popular maps were almost all terribly designed piles of shit with similar flaws: Easy spawncamping, no/bad alternative routes, braindead weapon selection.

I could make more examples, but something that all the games have in common is their exceptional mapping and modding support. This should be a good thing, but I'm starting to suspect that it's the (indirect) cause of death for the game, because at some point some faggot will inevitably create a safe haven for shitters which not only soaks up new players but prevents them from becoming good players that keep the game alive.

Sounds suspiciously like "players are too retarded to be trusted with mod tools", I know. And honestly I'm not sure if it's really all that different. But the connection is really remarkable.

>>16850521

The most depressing thing is that games are becoming more and more alike gameplay wise, walking simulators that are carbon copies of each other with a different skin.

It's the same damn control scheme every single time, and of course everything is console/controller focused nowadays, unless it's an MMO, then you get quickbars with 1-10 keys.

But either way you just press a button and your player character does something. It's not really immersive. I really liked the controls in Gothic, they actually felt like you were controlling your characters arms and the battles felt like you were actually doing something yourself, not just giving your characters commands or senselessly mashing buttons.

>>16877650

>new

Then fucking make one. I want GOOD stealth game, and they were already made.

>>16850521

>Arena shooters are dead

there is a game called Diabotical in closed beta

>>16855020

wow, you are so cool, he, can i touch you so that some of your coolness rubs of on me?

>>16850521

There's no bare bones shooters or action games anymore that harken back to arcade style games.Everything nowadays has a fucking inventory system, a skill point system, a money system and tons of fucking plot and cutscenes. I am so sick of it. I just want a fast game that lets me play right away and doesn't require me to manage a menu or budget or spend time leveling up skills. Why can't I have an action game that focuses on the fucking action, like moving around and shooting shit?

Everything is an RPG light nowadays and it makes me not want to play new games.

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>>16873920

are there any good mod levels for mgs 2/3? 2 in particular feels like it has so much missed potential simply because of the big shell being what it is

>>16877719

>You know, everything is a cinematic experience now, nobody cares about colorful platformers with anthropomorphic mascots as protagonists. Everything has to be a bloated, multi-billion dollar production to rival Hollywood with mocap, world class voice acting™, cutscenes out the ass, and the world's most safe and boring mechanics known to man.

Exactly, it's like they mashed together the most popular genres and now every game has to have all these mechanics at once instead of having games focus only one aspect and getting it right. I hate to say it but corporations and market research are to blame for this. They want to make sure every big budget game has something for everybody. That's what is making every game into a disgusting blend of game mechanics and concepts that used to be fun and pure but are nothing but tedious and boring when they are tacked on to something that shouldn't have those features at all because they don't fit the style of game.

>>16855546

The game is a bittersweet experience, it could have been so much more but got rushed and chopped up. I wish it had just more general shit in the streets, the levels feel so empty on replays. Though mixing up the order of things and hitting the 'hard' planets first is an interesting way of changing the feel of the story a bit and getting crew characters earlier to see more of their take on you.

The crew are pretty much all assholes one way or another, if they're not outright evil they're shady, spiky, secretive, a Sith lord's emo cumdumpster, insufferably smug/self righteous or dull. Cracking Brianna and turning her ebul is kind of fun but the rest (bar HK) are self interested pricks, they're people I'd probably leave behind were I off on a spess adventure (ok Mandalore *if* he stopped sucking his own dick). The only one who truly grates my nerves is Mira, though Bao-Dur's placid ASMRy voice made me never speak to him beyond my first uberdark/light 'turn everyone' runs.