98082c No.16819884[Last 50 Posts]
Anyone here game on Linux? What is it like? AMD or Nvidia? AMD or Intel? I'm planning on buying Ryzen CPU, haven't decided on the GPU yet, but I'm strongly considering switching to Linux because Windows has turned itself into more of an annoyance to be dealt with than an OS I can rely to for work.
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4d97cb No.16819886
What type of work do you do anon?
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98082c No.16819887
>>16819886
I spend most of my time in IntelliJ Idea, PyCharm and occasionally Android Studio. Sometimes I do stuff in Visual Studio Code, but I tend to run away from front end, so there is that.
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4d97cb No.16819892
>>16819887
I'm fairly sure that all of those have linux versions, so a transition shouldn't be too much of an issue. Personally I'd recommend ryzen as I've had issues with Intel's iGPU overriding my dedicated gpu. Between Nvidia and AMD it kind of fluctuates on what you might be interested in, both have open source drivers but Noveau occasionally lags behind on utilization. Depending on how new your gpu is you may need to pick up a new version of mesa graphics to use them which may mean looking into Distributions that ship with newer drivers.
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98082c No.16819893
>>16819892
as far as a gpu goes i'd go with either 1660 or rx 5600 for 1080p. yes, i know the ides i use have linux versions, but i also like to play games on the same machine so i've decided to ask a bit. thanks for the reply
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4d97cb No.16819896
>>16819893
No problem, if you'd like you can check out winedb which has listings of reports for windows software that has been tested as well as notes on if adjustments need to be made for launching them, alternatively, if you'd like to use Proton which is currently integrated into steam they have their own database available to browse, however, the notes provided on reports there can be somewhat less helpful. Additionally you could look into Lutris which provides scripts to handle the setup of wine and native applications submitted by users.
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98082c No.16819899
>>16819896
>Proton
i just googled it up
https://www.protondb.com/
well this thing looks impressive. thank you
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5e658b No.16819909
>>16819884
I switched to Linux a couple of months ago. The transition can be painful but you eventually learn how to work with it and in the end I'm very happy that I switched. I've so far played Fallout 4, Doom 4, and GTA V on Linux and they all ran great. I've also fooled around with Android Studio and it has also worked perfectly fine. It's a good idea to go with AMD for GPU because the drivers are open source so they have a lot of support and they're always evolving.
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2659dd No.16819959
I mostly play older games and many of them run better using Wine than on Windows (some of them even don't run at all on Cy+5 Windows).
I use PlayOnLinux for managing Wine bottles + Winetricks when needing some extra stuff for them.
And in distribution department, over the years I have been running Ubuntu, Mint, Arch and nowadays Manjaro.
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599741 No.16820040
I'm planning to, I took a lot of loose notes from the SteamOS thread >>16811850 and it looks like a bit less of a headache considering my interests. Hardly going to care about running anything new myself, more interested in still being able to run older stuff.
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599741 No.16820053
Not that I'm going to run SteamOS, just jotted a lot of the general tips about compatibility things like proton/lutric and distro suggestions.
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3d8fd1 No.16821001
you can run a bunch o games on linux. lutris is great for that. running it on debian and it's great.
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1eaaf9 No.16821002
>>16819884
>Anyone here game on Linux? What is it like?
It works, kinda. You have to keep in mind that when you play Windows games on GNU/Linux you are running a hacked together piece of shit software on an operating system it was never intended to run on, so considering that it is a miracle that anything works at all.
That said, I stick to older games (the most recent one I have is Witcher 3), so most of it runs well with little to no tinkering. If you are not afraid of messing around until things get working you will be fine. Just don't expect GNU/Linux to be the same as Windows, things are going to be different. Not just from a technical standpoint, but also from a mental one.
With that said, I still rather have to fight the occasional game to get it working, than fight the entire operating system to get anything working.
>>16819887
Those have GNU/Linux versions, so you'll be fine. I would recommend getting off the IDE drug anyway though, IDEs are bloated pieces of shit that make you dumb and dependent on them. Jet Brains is fucking cancer, they are trying to become the new Borland where they can effectively control the entire tooling for the languages. A plain text editor that's programmable can give you most of what the IDE gives you (look into the Language Server Protocol). Of course if your employer mandates that you use an IDE there is not much you can do professionally, but you can at least free yourself personally.
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6fc2cb No.16821063
>>16819884
If you're buying hardware for GNU/Linux, lurk for any firmware quirks that may require manual configs. Motherboards insist on you using Windows 10, so some things like Ethernet, temperature sensors, sound, and of course, WiFi won't work without any proprietary blobs that need to be installed manually to the Linux kernel. This won't be too much of a problem if you're using a distro that "just werks" like Ubuntu or Manjaro, but for a completely manual install like Gentoo or Arch, it's critical for getting everything to work properly. I tried to get Ubuntu running well, but my ASUS PRIME-X370 does not show temperature sensors due to some proprietary shit, and unfortunately it's not supported for this kernel module that I've found: https://github.com/electrified/asus-wmi-sensors
Which motherboard vendors are worth buying that just werk? All I know is that anything with Broadcom or Realtek is not going to work properly.
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162f42 No.16821086
>>16819884
I'm mostly playing pre-2010 games anymore and Linux has been awesome. It's like super Windows XP in terms of customizability and compatibility these days. Manjaro and WINE/ProtonVK will set you the fuck up. My current system running Linux has a dual core Intel CPU and a lightweight AMD GPU.
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180b86 No.16821115
>linux has no gaems
So this is a perfect opportunity for any aspiring indiefag to make some gaems for lelnux?
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4d97cb No.16821121
>>16821115
If they wanted to, sure. Indies tend to make linux versions anyway as a lot of the GDKs they use can create linux versions
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180b86 No.16821135
>>16821121
but what if i wanted to make my gaems linux native? when i release the sourcecode niggers can just make their own wangblows ports, right?
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ad34e8 No.16821176
>>16821135
>not just making portable programs in the first place
i think you're retarded
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180b86 No.16821185
>>16821176
I just have assburgers
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1eaaf9 No.16821195
>>16821135
> when i release the sourcecode niggers can just make their own wangblows ports, right?
Sure, if anyone wants to dig through your spaghetti mess of a code in the first place.
>>16821176
Portable software is not always feasible (although I'm sure someone who writes such spergy post is far from that point). The trick is to wrap up the unportable parts behind a layer of abstraction with a thin interface. Then those unportable parts can be swapped out for different platform-specific implementations.
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180b86 No.16821202
>>16821195
lmao you sound mad as fuck, thanks 4 the advice faggot
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ad34e8 No.16821203
>>16821195
Yes, obviously when you're creating a simple window it's different on different platforms but that has already been solved by libraries and frameworks you can use, but there's also different architectures to consider and not just operating systems.
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ccaf09 No.16821273
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75ac82 No.16821283
>>16821273
I have a 6 year old laptop that I use Linux to dick around on and learn, and Broadcom wireless didn't work out of the box with either Arch or Mint. I had to get some updates via ethernet first (obviously could have done it via USB media as well) and then it worked just fine.
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162f42 No.16821302
>>16821135
> make my gaems linux native
You may not realize that a lot of excellent emulators (e.g. Retroarch, Dolphin, CEMU) are using lib libraries that originate from Linux efforts. I was just playing JYDGE that also appears to have used a lot of lib-based libraries and that game was very well made. If you make your game Linux native, it's basically going to use a lot of open-source utilities that are cross-platform anyhow.
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99a679 No.16821303
>>16821063
Got a Gigabyte X570 Aurorus Master, sensors just werk out of the box. WiFi didn't work months back before some kernel update with the drivers for the WiFi chip this board uses. Barely use WiFi anyway.
>>16821283
That's just the kernel being outdated. Support for some WiFi shit takes a while as well.
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3d8fd1 No.16821304
>>16821283
yeah, I know a bunch of people that force minimal installations when they don't need to. then they end up with that.
>start new job. first day with 2 other people
> we were told to install our own OS on company laptops
>one guy chooses debian netinstall. I brought the full image on usb
>dude can't do shit. missing modules, no network drivers (no ethernet at that time), and no gui
>dicks around for 2 days. accidentally sets up LUKS. now he can't even boot without that specific usb stick
>I install the same debian version via usb with non-free drivers on the same laptop model. justwerks.png
I'm all for removing bloat, but sometimes it's not practical
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99a679 No.16821306
>>16821304
Dude would be better off building his own ISO, but that's just my take
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3d8fd1 No.16821312
>>16821306
he did pull it off, though. it was just a huge pain getting there
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180b86 No.16821313
>>16821302
>open-source utilities that are cross-platform anyhow.
any good ones that i should use?
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588587 No.16821470
One of these days, I'll take the year required to actually find a distro that's not shit, find a desktop environment that's not shit, find software alternatives that work on said distro and aren't shit and learn the myriad of command bullshit needed to actually use it in such a way that it won't be a massive inconvenience on a daily basis. As it stands right now though, doing anything on Linux is a pain in the dick that could probably be addressed with time and effort on my part, but there simply is no need to do so now and hopefully there won't be for a long while.
I do hope that there'll be some effort to emulate Windows 10-only programs on Windows 7, because I know that 20 years down the line, when we're up to HTML7 or whatever, Win 7 certainly won't support that natively.
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4d97cb No.16821503
>>16821470
Have you tried XFCE Mint?
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af45f3 No.16821506
>Linux
>gaming
Is never not going to be a dumpster fire. Keep Windows 7 for gaming and use Linux for a secure work PC.
Now that GNU has been co-opted by trannies, feminists, and other "woke" developers I don't have high hopes for its future either (which to be fair, is about the same amount of hope I have for Microsoft).
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4d97cb No.16821509
>>16821506
It's not 2004 silly
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af45f3 No.16821531
>>16821509
>I mean, Wine isn't THAT bad
>okay there are SOME compatibility issues, but I can play games from 5 years ago with only minor problems
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4d97cb No.16821535
>>16821531
Really the only snag that's major these days are Denuvo, Uplay, and a few anticheat systems. Otherwise it's fairly simple to run most things in Wine, especially if you use things like DX/9VK
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162f42 No.16821624
>>16821313
Lua and zlib are common ones I recognize. Check projects like GZDOOM and other open source projects and I'm sure a lot of common dependencies/tool modules will become apparent. I'm not a developer, just noticing some common tools I regularly need to check before trying to run gaymes.
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588587 No.16821645
>>16821503
I've tried Mint regular and Ubuntu with Gnome so far, out of necessity because I have a laptop (got it for free) that doesn't support Windows 7 and anything's better than Win 10. So many small things that piss me off, mostly being unable to actually install (admittedly obscure) software for no clear reason.
Is there some sort of easy way to compare all the distros between each other without just installing all of them? Aside for performance and bundled software (which I want as little as possible of), I don't even know what the differences between the many distros COULD be.
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b4e4cb No.16821650
I'm gonna nut in the fucking penguin
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4d97cb No.16821655
>>16821645
Well with the various ubuntu flavors it's mostly down to your Desktop environment and standard applications, and occasionally what drivers are preincluded (something like Mint or Pop!OS) an exception I might feel could be kubuntu/kde neon as the kde plasma desktop has such a high level of integration with it's included software. The LTS releases tend to be more stable, at the expense of age of included drivers/packages, but you can install a ppa backport including newer versions.
As for the Ubuntu Gnome issue, it may be a result of using 19.10+ derived distribution as canonical had made the MONUMENTALLY ABSURD decision to drop 32bit support (and packages).
If I remember a temporary fix for all the shit canonical broke is that you can re-enable 32bit support by enabling the architecture
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c4e448 No.16821696
>Linux gaming
Every time.
Every fucking time!
Just give up already! It's shit! Don't you get it?! Linux gaming is shit!
Why not try to emulate Doom on your calculator? That's probably a better gaming experience.
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4d97cb No.16821701
>>16821696
Don't know about you, but I'm having a great time over here.
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ca0e0c No.16821703
>>16821696
>t. retard
I dont even use Linux exclusively and I know it's pretty solid for the majority of games outside of triple a gameswhich I do play a couple. Andthere are distros that are pretty stable if you dont fuck with too much(and if you do, use a virtual box to test things before you apply it to your real distro).
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162f42 No.16821718
>>16821645
>Is there some sort of easy way to compare all the distros
Check out distrowatch. After clicking on 'Find/Submit Distro,' start looking through 'Based on' drop-down and doing some research. The most popular forks are Debian, Arch, and BSD. You can research what the differences are by reading and watching reviews of the different distros. Mint and Ubuntu and both based on Debian, which is why it's probably better to get a straight-up, customizable Debian distro instead of one or two additional OS'es layered on top (aka, bloat).
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5e658b No.16821747
>>16821303
>sensors just werk out of the box
What kernel version? I'm on an Asus Prime X570-P and I didn't have any CPU readings until 5.4.0.
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736a3c No.16821764
Yeah, I game on Linux
By virtualizing windows and giving it it's own graphics card
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3d8fd1 No.16821943
>>16821764
I have that too. spent about a month setting it up properly. installed nudoom, and never touched it again. there's not much need for it since I can run everything natively or in wine.
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ca2eb9 No.16821995
>>16821747
Same anon differenf IP, but fuck if I know. Again I got a Gigabyte board, I suppose it uses different sensors.
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c875bd No.16822393
If you installed one flavor of Ubuntu, but wanted the DE of a different one, would it break shit to install a new DE and remove/purge the other one?
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7a153d No.16822411
>>16822393
As long as you use your package manager to remove things without forcing anything, all things required for any other program should remain installed. You can also just keep everything installed and merely tell your login manager to start the new DE/WM. Especially if you're trying out the new thing, so you can easily switch back if you decide you don't like it.
Or just learn how to install a minimal distro like Arch, the whole point of those is that you only have to install what you want. Removing things is always harder than adding them.
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b204ef No.16823208
>I can't install leenocks, I need to play the newest AAAshit!
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9c1ea9 No.16823319
>>16821696
fuck off
gzdoom on linux is way better than your gay ass switch, ps4, or xbox one
almost all of my games on steam run on linux through proton, i say almost because i havent played them all and there might be some that demand anti-cheat to work
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7f6d21 No.16823339
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0d0c89 No.16829310
>think to myself "I'm gonna dual boot Linux and Windows 7 for the best of both worlds!"
>install Windows 7 on its own hard drive
>Use Windows Loader to bypass product key check, but it says "unsupported partition table"
>something about MBR and GPT I have no fucking idea
>try some shit, but to no avail
God damn I'm gonna be too retarded for Linux, aren't I.
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588587 No.16829312
>>16829310
It's an issue that happens sometimes with strange Windows installation from my experience. Try this activator, seems to work for me when Daz' Windows Loader gives me an "unsupported partition table" error.
https://files.catbox.moe/sc8idi.zip
>inb4 this is dolphin porn
The program is called Chew-WGA v0.9, you can find it yourself if you don't trust me. Pic related.
As for Linux, installing it was straightforward as far as I tried. Using it, on the other hand, not so much.
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387f66 No.16829318
>>16829312
I don't know, those tools all have tons of shady mirror sites and variations. Daz loader has an official release on a certain forum that I could hash check and compare reliably.
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588587 No.16829324
>>16829318
I can't vouch for much other than the one I uploaded, it's off of my personal flash drive, where I have a collection of these activator tools for different issues, and I've used it on at least three occasions with success.
The problem here was that Daz' loader wasn't actually working. Daz' also doesn't support Win7 enterprise or business editions, I needed to find a third program for those.
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3d8fd1 No.16829336
>>16829310
if you're dualbooting you probably want to use grub for both OSes
>install Windows 7 on its own hard drive
I assume the linux install has it's own hard drive? if so, point the bios to boot off of that one. you can set up the windows one on grub later
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387f66 No.16829346
>>16829336
I can't get to that step yet since I haven't managed to activate Windows 7, which will cause it to shit itself in short time. I don't know how to convert the drive from GPT into MBR which is what the activation tool wants, and my pea brain is having a hard time with the BIOS options and all that nomenclature. I am not good with computer.
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588587 No.16829348
>>16829346
Should be able to do that from either running diskmgmt.msc, using Aomei's disk partition tools or from the command prompt.
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3d8fd1 No.16829381
>>16829346
>I can't get to that step yet since I haven't managed to activate Windows 7
what does this have to do with the linux install?
>I don't know how to convert the drive from GPT into MBR
don't. why do you need to do that?
you are using efi right?
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000000 No.16831857
Here are some pointers
>GOG is your friend when it comes to Linux gaming.
>I would highly recommend using Ubuntu as your distribution in order for Steam to just werk as well.
>Lutrix is a great program all things considered as well.
>Be prepared for configuration hell for some games and some games to just flat out not work. Be flexible.
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0c4fa7 No.16831865
Pretty sure most big budget games that warrant decent hardware isn't on linux, it's mostly old games, emulation and indie unity games.
Linux is really pretty fucking gay to use as a desktop OS though, it was made for servers and terminals, not personal computing. Wouldn't something interesting like RISC OS or TempleOS, or whatever unique OS designed for personal desktop use make more sense than linux? I mean, if you want to make life more difficult and not have access to standard commercial software then you might as well learn something and have some fun with it. You're not going to use any linux distribution as a proper workstation anyway, unless you only code or maintain servers.
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a680b7 No.16831920
>>16831865
Just tried the demo of that game. Not too bad from what I played but there was a bug where no button was responding after a puzzle so I couldn't finish it. Still looks decent if you're into PS1 era RE type games.
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0c4fa7 No.16831940
>>16831920
The demo was pretty much just released and the game itself isn't done yet, so some bugs are to be expected. I didn't have any problems myself though.
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99a679 No.16831991
>>16831857
Ubuntu is shit and lacks behind too much. I'd recommend Manjaro or PopOS
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4ed07e No.16832100
steam on ubuntu isn't the worst thing I can think of – its the only option if you don't know how to enable contrib/non-free repos and manually configure graphics drivers / WINE configs.
you could very easily set up a retard with a ubuntu computer running steam and as long as you made it look like windows it would take them maybe a week to notice.
if steam isn't your thing, emulation, virtualization, WINE, and game engine remakes have you covered for the vast majority of games before 2010.
In all honesty, I don't believe in investing in linux as a gaming platform.
As long as the OS is made for developers, it will have game programmers.
Its once you try pushing too hard for proprietary software, DRM, desktop environments, etc. (dumbing it down) to attract normal-fags you end up pushing away developers that would be writing the games in the first place and normal-fags complain because they can't figure out how to run netflix.
If you're tech-savy enough to get linux working, its probably easier for you to set up a cracked wangblows pc and sandbox / firewall it.
Of all the benefits of using Ganoo plus Leenux, very few really apply to gaming that I can think of and all the traditional FOSS mentality goes out the windows when you're playing EULA botnets from EA/VALVE/CHINKGAMECO.
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0c4fa7 No.16832129
>>16832100
Right, I don't get why people use Linux if they only play video games and browse the web. Linux can be fun to play around with, doing the stuff that it is actually good at rather than jumping through hoops to play games.
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7992df No.16832321
>>16819892
>Between Nvidia and AMD it kind of fluctuates on what you might be interested in, both have open source drivers but Noveau occasionally lags behind on utilization
If this is the level of understanding itt then oh fuck.
Stay away from nvidia. The closed source drivers are an abomination and the open source drivers are a joke because nvidia REFUSES to allow people to make their shit work.
https://drewdevault.com/2017/10/26/Fuck-you-nvidia.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw
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803cc3 No.16832351
>>16832129
Yeah, but it's free though, and smart people already wrote out what to do in language even my failed out of middle school ass can understand.
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803cc3 No.16832353
>>16832321
Also I've heard this too that Nvidia sucks a great big fat cock and that's the reason Linux gaming on laptops sucks so much cock.
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7992df No.16832373
>>16832353
Yes, I've run into that one first hand. Stay the fuck away from mobile graphics with NVIDIA particularly. If you have one already, for some god forsaken reason, you can make it work using bumblebee and the right amount of blood sacrifice, but it really sucks.
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739e60 No.16832400
>>16832373
Had an Alienware alpha that has an 860M that read out as some kind of unknown unknown chip, fuckin killed windows 8.1 that came with it around 3 years ago. Mint picks it up, but I'm pretty sure even the proprietary driver it recommends can't handle its weird bullshit.
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162f42 No.16832592
>>16831865
>Linux is really pretty fucking gay to use as a desktop OS though
Odd, I've been using mine for my work in medical science and it's been able to do everything, and sometimes better, than when I had Windows installed on it. Even now, gaymen on it is breddy gud.
>RISC OS or TempleOS, or whatever unique OS designed for personal desktop use make more sense than linux
You've never actually seen what TempleOS looks like compared to something like Manjaro with KDE, have you?
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abb1f7 No.16832671
>>16832129
if all the games you wanna play already have a linux version or run with hardly any work (or all the shit you use for that matter), why not use linux?
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8e7f50 No.16832702
>>16832671
Most I could think of is nvidia bullshit. Though I can't really think of any reason to use any of their gpus over one of AMDs.
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5be65e No.16833177
If any of you anons want to try out Linux, you might want to get a different graphics card if you have a AyyMD R9 390. No matter what distro I tried, the live usb booted to a black screen. In order to even install a distro, I had to set a kernel parameter, and I still had to set a kernel parameter after installing a distro in order to even use it. I did some research and a lot of people have this problem with the same graphics. After getting a new graphics card, an Nvidia GTX 1660 Super, I don't seem to have anymore problems.
Despite that, I really like using Linux. Since I don't care for most AAA games and I'm much more interested in older games, emulation, and indies, Linax has been great for me. I'm glad to get away from Windoos and If I need anything from it, I'll just emulate it. My friends now think I'm more autistic than usual.
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162f42 No.16833407
>>16833177
>the live usb booted to a black screen
I think mesa is something you have to make sure is part of the distro you're trying to install; or your live usb creation is fucked up. Are you using Rufus or what, exactly? I've only ever run live USB on AMD hardware and had zero problems. I also specifically had your GPU at one point when I needed to use a live recovery USB.
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5cf4f3 No.16834250
>>16833177
what distro? amd especially needs new kernels for the driver
according to a quick search it should work by now: https://forum.level1techs.com/t/amd-r9-390-finally-usable-on-linux/131922
>I don't seem to have anymore problems.
nvidia will fuck you over in other aspects.
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5be65e No.16834347
>>16834250
>usb creation
For that, I used balena etcher, but I made sure the installed isos had the correct hashes before using them.
>>16833407
>what distro?
Just about all of the ones I tried, even the rolling release distros. Whether it was the live usb or the actual installation, I had to set kernel parameters. Even after I updated the drivers in a post installation, it still did not work. Mint? Black screen. Memejaro? Black screen. Kubuntu? Black screen. The only distro that didn't give me a black screen on installation was Opensuse Tumbleweed, but that's because they use a special installer- and I still got black screens after installation.
>nividia will fuck you over in other ways
How so? I'm still a bit new to the Linux lore. Do they purposely bork their cards on Linux?
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162f42 No.16834412
>>16834347
I've never heard of Etcher, but my guess is that it's not preparing the right environment for the Linux ISOs you are flashing. I'd really recommend trying Rufus or LinuxLiveUSB and see if there is a difference in your outcome.
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5f5000 No.16835106
>>16821696
Damn near every game on Steam runs fine, or has a fix if it doesn't, through Proton. The only one I've encountered where there's no immediately searchable solution online is NiGHTS, out of the 20+ I've tried on this thing, since installing Linux.
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136925 No.16839324
>10+ year Win7fag
>try Linux Mint cinnamon
>looks like my old iphone or some shit
>mouse feels weird
>check out mouse settings
>it's somehow less comprehensive than mouse settings on windows 7
>look up how to turn off mouse acceleration (1 step procedure in win7)
>oh just create a fucking script on a hidden system folder for this basic functionality
Oh boy. This is gonna take some willpower for my caveman ass to learn.
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0c4fa7 No.16839327
>>16839324
Linux is a stupid meme, it has no business as a desktop OS.
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136925 No.16839328
>>16839327
I definitely don't want to move to Zogdows 10, though.
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16d527 No.16839330
>>16819884
Oddly I game on linux when I am stuck on a rig. Got an ancient Toshiba notebook I use to play DooM and Genesis roms with work mates. No issues at all. With Linux you are better just emulation old stuff.
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7ed1cf No.16839337
>>16839328
Then dont?
Some people still use xp to this day.
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0c4fa7 No.16839342
>>16839328
It's not as if there's a huge difference between it and Linux, Microsoft and other big corps has tons of money invested into Linux and the backdoors are in your hardware. I'd either stay on Windows 7 or try out an OS actually made for desktop use. As far as video games are concerned you'd have to go with the latest windows to play what comes out, but if you dont care about that you can just stick with an older version. I have windows 98 running on my main gaming PC.
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136925 No.16839352
>>16839342
Is there another "OS actually made for desktop use" that's not Windows? 7 is the end of the road for me, so it makes sense to try and adapt into Linux. I don't give a shit about the newest and hottest games so it shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Cinnamon left me with a sour taste in my mouth with its mobile-tier overly simplistic settings, maybe I'll try Manjaro.
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0c4fa7 No.16839377
>>16839352
There are some alternatives to Windows that aren't Linux, yes. RISC is pretty neat if you have an ARM processor computer, like an raspberry pi or whatever. For regular use and gaming you'd be much better off just sticking to an older version of Windows than to migrate to Linux or going for one of the wonky alternatives. I mean, TempleOS or ReactOS might be fun to play around with but not much else.
Anyway, my point is that it Linux isn't much better than windows, particularly not for games or productivity. It only makes sense to go for it if your work involves networks or if you are a programmer and want to be able to modify and learn from everything you run. It's not strictly built for personal computing, TempleOS is actually far superior in this regard, even if it lacks software.
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5be65e No.16839432
What opinions do you anons have on the Sparky Linux distro?
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d2d8fc No.16839575
>>16839324
Try Mint MATE instead. It's slightly better for a variety of performance/vidya-related things though a bit clunkier for desktop use. Cinnamon is designed for office/productivity with the lowest amount of confusion. Hopping DE is much less of a pain once you're not set up and, assuming you're not retarded, there's no risk of losing any actual files you've got.
>Oh boy. This is gonna take some willpower for my caveman ass to learn.
Honestly if you stick with it editing config files/using the terminal become second nature. Biggest tip I can give you is to go enable unlimited length bash history and get used to searching your history for things you've done in the past (look up how to do it, it's easy).
I'd still suggest MATE for a fag that wants to play vidya though, assuming you're sticking with Mint at all.
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d2d8fc No.16839578
>>16839575
>Cinnamon is designed for office/productivity with the lowest amount of confusion
That is office worker productivity or entry-level programmers obviously.
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136925 No.16839861
>>16839575
I hopped from Mint Cinnamon to Mint XFCE and didn't care for it either. I'm gonna go try Manjaro KDE and rack up more fuckups.
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059071 No.16839907
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ebe3fe No.16840438
oh my god KDE is sexy
fuck Cinnamon and XFCE
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144f64 No.16843147
>>16839861
I think I'm the only anon who actually likes gnome, despite absolutely hating it when I first used (and dropped) it. There's just no other environment that gets out of my way and allows so much functionality in one key press.
Anyway started playing Kingdom Come and the performance issues on it with gnome are completely gone. Totally playable now which is nice.
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059071 No.16843216
>>16843147
With Gnome the DE or with a Gnome based distribution of a distro?
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209dbd No.16844331
Which low profile gpu can i use with my 4th gen intel? I am going loonix, don't really play intensive games, i tried rent shops and find it unenjoyable.
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162f42 No.16844354
>>16844331
1050 Ti is probably the best bet. I ran into problems with older GPU chipsets, even for some less demanding games, simply because my GPU had capped out support at DX10. The 1050 Ti will have the max support and it'll at least be solid for more demanding emulation, if you want that.
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835faf No.16844481
If I only want to download vidya, music and film/tv, play, listen and watch said stuff, browse the net and funpost, what is the best option? Also it needs to be brainlet supported or minimal hassle.
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b3aa95 No.16844502
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>16819884
Hello my fellow anons. I'm finally back. Things seem much livelier since I last checked.
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d06fea No.16844538
>>16839861
Gnome on Manjaro
>>16844481
I can only recommend what I'm used to and tend to like which is Manjaro. Probably the Plasma version. https://manjaro.org/download/
>>16844502
Yeah I just haven't been using image boards a whole lot lately. Might as well post some webms
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059071 No.16844624
>>16844622
If it were around the time of XP and maybe 7/8.1 I might be inclined to agree with you.
As it stands though, the sole issue I have with linux at this point is that Clip Studio Paint doesn't work on it.
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059071 No.16844765
Out of curiosity, what sort of state of fucked is the current release of Ubuntu (and forks, of)? I remember they broke fucking TONS of shit when they ripped 32bit support and a bunch of other libraries out, is it any more usable now?
Is VR shit in a less fucked position now?
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162f42 No.16844800
>>16844622
wasted dubs, retardanon
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ecb6ea No.16845630
>>16844765
> I remember they broke fucking TONS of shit when they ripped 32bit support and a bunch of other libraries out, is it any more usable now?
didn't they postpone that or wasn't it just certain stuff? didn't hear much about it after they announced it.
>Is VR shit in a less fucked position now?
highly depends on headset, facebook and microsoft being shit isn't a problem of linux.
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921741 No.16845667
>>16845630
I more meant steam vr being busted as a result of 19.08 the dashboard was nigh unfunctional last time I tried it.
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708c99 No.16845677
I'm going to switch my main pc to linux once my hard drive dies
good luck OP
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921741 No.16845681
>>16845677
If you need any help, come on back.
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ecb6ea No.16845893
>>16845667
iirc there was an update just a few days ago (on windows at least), no idea if that fixed it.
sure it was steam vr and not some other part?
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921741 No.16845997
>>16845893
Technically, it was an issue with Ubuntu 19.10 (and derivatives).
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5eb1f4 No.16847108
>upgrade to ubuntu 19.10
>no amd drivers for 19.10
Well shit.
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6bedeb No.16847183
windows is so much easier to use bro
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2e7ad1 No.16847212
>>16847183
You could have typed "dis" enter right into the start menu and would have gotten there faggot.
Furthermore you'd just double click the nvidia driver in the tray anyway.
Anyhow you have a gay taste in music and window managers. Try KDE.
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2e7ad1 No.16847216
>>16847108
>using UBUNTU
Hahaha laugh at that faggot
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4d1bce No.16847232
>>16847108
You what? Mesa drivers are included. Do you mean proprietary drivers?
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6bedeb No.16847265
>>16847212
>You could have typed "dis" enter right into the start menu and would have gotten there faggot.
…and still go through everything in that webm. Are you dense? The point was not to show the difference between clicking the gear wheel vs typing since both take about 1 second and the webm would've been over in 2. The point was to show the user has to go through 3 GENERATIONS of GUIs to reach 1 setting. XP, W7 and W10 menus all come up.
>Furthermore you'd just double click the nvidia driver in the tray anyway
Except nvidia is not installed on that system
<Having to rely on 3rd party, non-free drivers
<Needing expensive graphics cards to do basic display management
>Anyhow you have a gay taste in music and window managers. Try KDE.
Yeah your webm with better music, fairer comparison and more efficient DE was better. Oh wait
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6bedeb No.16847290
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96e2f2 No.16847380
>>16847216
Well xubuntu but yeah. And I forgot to mention that xfce shat the bed when I upgraded as well so now I'm using kde plasma. Its fine but I still prefer xfce though.
>>16847232
Is the amd-core package the proprietary ones? When I try to install it, it errors out and says that it will only install on 18.4. The free drivers are only the mesa packages?
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162f42 No.16847390
>>16847216
women and computers, in general - but then a Linux OS on top of that?
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2e7ad1 No.16847739
>>16847265
>Except nvidia is not installed on that system
Yeah because you're probably running it on a virtual machine. You would have an icon from AMD or Intel or whatever the fuck you're using in the bottom right, you can double click and get a proper non-pajeet graphics panel.
<Having to rely on 3rd party, non-free drivers
So do linux faggots. Where's my fully reverse engineered nvidia drivers? Or self made AMD-drivers?
<Needing expensive graphics cards to do basic display management
Except that an inbuild graphics chip of a desktop processor is enough.
>Oh wait
Go back to /g/.
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18c30c No.16847951
>>16847290
>Yeah because you're probably running it on a virtual machine.
Because we know that everything that's not in a VM has a jewvidia card in it.
>So do linux faggots. Where's my fully reverse engineered nvidia drivers? Or self made AMD-drivers?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AMDGPU
Certainly closer to it than nvidia windows where you need a fucking email to sign in to your pro gamur drivers.
>Except that an inbuild graphics chip of a desktop processor is enough.
What does that have to do with it? You're really grasping here. Point still stands; the windows way of accessing something as simple as the refresh rate of a monitor requires 3 layers of fullscreen settings menus and a tab menu from XP.
>>16847739
>Go back to /g/
t. fa/g/
I'm thinking of buying an Thinkpad X61 for college and getting through some DOS games I never seem to have time for.
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e810ba No.16848732
>>16847290
>Brave
>chromium
>VLC
>VScode
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197208 No.16848744
>>16847183
>>16847290
>less clicks to reach it = better
Try right clicking the desktop and see what option appears. You could make a huge panel that has every single setting in it, but that wouldn't make it easier to use.
That said, Windows 10 is a fucking piece of shit in every way, everyone knows this and only the most dumb phoneposting nigger would defend it.
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74a13b No.16848898
>>16848732
It's a college VM. I'm required to have vs on it. It's also a dump for testing anything I want… And it's windows. Not some holy ground for only gnu. I even had to force uninstall anti virus junk. But please show us your desktop.
>>16848744
Or you could go to display settings and find all the important options in one screen like most DEs. The point is the only way you or anyone knows how to navigate windows is because they have probably DECADES of experience. Windows GUI being more user friendly is just an outright lie. The default start menu is so huge now with shit like Minecraft and ads in it that it's pretty much dead for old people who never touch desktop.
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e4545e No.16848927
>>16848898
>But please show us your desktop.
I'm going to install Manjaro on my next build.
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4d044f No.16848937
>>16847380
You don't look like you've read much about how drivers are packaged in Linux distros. Most (all of them should) are included in the kernel, so if you have the distro with a working kernel, you have the required driver, unlike Windows where you must download and install every single driver you need. This is the main reason the kernel is so big, by the way. One glaring exception is Nvidia, which has propietary drivers that must be loaded as a kernel module through DKMS, similar to Windows.
What you want to run AMD or Intel graphics is:
1. A recent Linux kernel. You need a kernel to run anything, but it is preferrable to get the newest Linux, especially if you have AMD and even more so if you're running recent GPUs, like Navi cards, since later versions include fixes and performance improvements. The AMD GPU kernel driver is called AMDGPU. heh
2. A recent version of Mesa (hint: Mesa is versioned according to the year and quarter of the release; Mesa 20.0 is the first release of 2020, Mesa 19.3 is the last release of 2019). What I said before applies here as well, even more so, in fact. Mesa is the OpenGL and Vulkan userspace implementation, which talks to the kernel driver.
And that's it, you don't need to download anything extra, though you may need extra packages if you want Vulkan support, visit your distro's wiki to figure that out, should be simple. Big caveat: Ubuntu is a distro known for being forgiving to outsiders, but it doesn't have the newest packages at all times, especially in the case of LTS releases. The solution to this is to use PPAs, but another option is to switch to a rolling release and/or bleeding edge distro, like Manjaro, Solus, Clear Linux, Void, Arch…
>>16844354
Nvidia is shit and jews. If you are running Linux,
NEVER
get Nvidia. Ever. They hold off on releasing firmware in order to throw a wrench in the development of open source drivers, they implement market segregation through their propietary drivers, they use their own special snowflake protocols instead of using what Intel and AMD use, therefore fucking Wayland support for their cards in the ass, and the list goes on. Linus hates Nvidia for many reasons, and I can't believe people here out of all places on the internet are recommending Nvidia.
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8281d5 No.16848946
Honestly keep windows around, there's a lot of good old games that will only run on windows.
What I recemend is running windows in a VM and setting up GPU passthrough. You'll need to make sure your CPU has an iGPU, then you passthrough your big pp GPU to windows when you spin up your VM.
This is how I have my set up, it's really comfy. I also have a raspberry pi in my living room, and I can stream my windows VM to that while continuing to do work on my linux install. Lets my room mates play my games without disturbing me while I work on my primary OS.
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8281d5 No.16848951
>>16848946
I also forgot to add that with this set up it doesn't matter what GPU you go with, as you won't even have drivers installed for whatever your dedicated GPU is. I uninstalled them as soon as it was working.
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5be65e No.16848958
>>16848937
Thanks for the detailed explanation, anon. RIP me, because I just bought a 1660 Super, since it was cheaper. Next time, I'll go with AMD.
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8281d5 No.16848973
>>16848958
>1. A recent Linux kernel. You need a kernel to run anything, but it is preferrable to get the newest Linux, especially if you have AMD and even more so if you're running recent GPUs, like Navi cards, since later versions include fixes and performance improvements. The AMD GPU kernel driver is called AMDGPU. heh
Use GPU passthrough anon
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e81a11 No.16848977
>>16848946
Doesn't good old games usually run better on wine than on new windowses? I haven't played that many games on linux but I remember long time ago playing planescape torment on linux virtual box that used wine to run it because I wasn't able to make it run on win7 for some reason lel
I thought having windows makes sense for new games but not really for old games.
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4d044f No.16848978
>>16848946
Not really. We've gotten to the point where many of the games that won't run are modern multiplayer titles (which are trash) due to their anticheat software, which typically consists of some rootkit bullshit. Older games are less compatible with Windows 10 than with Wine, actually.
Also, I had GPU passthrough once, but I dismantled that setup. I didn't like having games scattered everywhere between my Linux system and my VM.
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e4545e No.16848983
>>16848951
So as soon as it's linked up with the VM you can dump the drivers on Linux? I take it it only needs to learn it's device ID or something.
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e4545e No.16848984
>>16848978
That's what I gathered from another thread.
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d59b22 No.16849010
>>16848946
>Honestly keep windows around, there's a lot of good old games that will only run on windows.
>>16848977 is correct. If you're actually looking to play classic games then Linux is absolutely the way to go.
The people and technologies involved with wine and such are outright getting better performance and compatibility for many older titles and renderers.
Windows is only for your AAA, DRM'd anti-cheat normalfag games. So for anyone that isn't a faggot it's absolutely no loss. Using windows of your own volition literally means you intend to use or play something gay.
I'm having a really hard time choosing a laptop. Anyone using linux laptops with some recommendations for a comfy middle-tier laptop for college work and maybe gaming.
>>16848927
Good man
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3d8fd1 No.16849021
>>16848983
not that anon, but yes. you need to blacklist the gpu drivers on linux and pass them through to the vm. you still need some other drivers for linux (mesa, for instance).
I have a passthrough setup with which I went above any beyond any guide posted online. it took me a month to set it up properly, but it runs quite well. it also greatly depends on what setup you have
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3d8fd1 No.16849023
>>16849021
>and pass them through to the vm
I meant
>and pass the PCI ID of the card through to the vm
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e4545e No.16849108
>>16849021
Thanks for clarifying, I'll see how far I get with proton/lutris and everything first, I think. The build I have laying around to do may be a bit too economical, for the time being, for passthrough.
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466fa5 No.16849425
>>16849108
In general it's not ideal to be using VMs to just end up using windows in them anyway. Try to get away from all that. If you're going to VM it up you might as well see how nvidia's service holds up if they end up bringing a client to linux.
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bb2144 No.16849428
The worst thing about Linux gaming is dealing with Windows centric tools (or lack thereof) that I use for mods. Windows has a whole infrastructure of third party shit to make gaming better. It's not as straightforward on Linux. It's cool if you're just playing vanilla games though. For most part, that's what we're doing 95% of the time.
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3d8fd1 No.16849433
>>16849108
if it matters, I barely use the passthrough setup. I installed nudoom for proof of concept. didn't even finish it.
I run everything else pirated via lutris. it can be a huge pain to get something working, but gog stuff usually runs out of the box. if you get stuck trying to run something on lutris, check winedb and google for proton solutions. that can point you in the right direction
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ed3a61 No.16849931
>>16839324
For whatever reason, DEs do not make good frontends to mouse options. I have no idea what their settings are trying to do, you just have to learn to use xinput and other tools. Heck, you should just learn X11's ways in general, and not this pile of failed mutant abstractions.
Here is a script pilfered from someone else to disable acceleration: xinput list –name-only | sed "/Virtual core pointer/,/Virtual core keyboard/"\!"d;//d" | xargs -I{} xinput set-prop pointer:{} "libinput Accel Profile Enabled" 0 1 &> /dev/null
This one enables acceleration: xinput list –name-only | sed "/Virtual core pointer/,/Virtual core keyboard/"\!"d;//d" | xargs -I{} xinput set-prop pointer:{} "libinput Accel Profile Enabled" 1 0 &> /dev/null
Some general X knowledge to help you become less of a babby duck: select to copy then middle click to paste… This stored text in the PRIMARY X11 paste buffer. There are 3 clipboards in X11, one is sort of deprecated (SECONDARY), PRIMARY is what you'll often accidently use and CLIPBOARD is usually what you actually want. Never update the system without using a terminal multiplexer or a tty, X11 can fail miserably and kill all your processes in its tree, thus interrupting a package upgrade or other transaction and possibly corrupting things/leaving things an in inconsistent state. To be fair, X.Org's implementation is pretty decent and stable nowadays, however the configuration file is still the worst human readable config file in the world if you have to use it, its so very fragile and semi-silently produces difficult to debug errors.
Some good X11 programs (you have to learn to use or configure them): Emacs (can be compiled with X11 toolkits and not GTKshit), Worker (file manager), Fvwm, StumpWM, and cwm.
>>16848937
You need Mesa, X11 specific drivers (if its an easy distro then this is figured out already), and the kernel drivers, if its a normal mostly open source driver. Otherwise, it is seperate from the kernel and most likely proprietary. If you are on Wayland, you just need Mesa and the kernel drivers from what I understand (I don't use it).
PPAs are very fragile, they should not be used for drivers.
Those rolling release distros require regular maintenance usually, Void is a little more stable simply because their software is less complex, but their package manager (xbps) can break things and uninstall things it shouldn't automatically like any other normal package manager. Nix and Guix can get things right, but they are made for programmers mainly and are significantly different from other methods to cause some confusion.
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ed3a61 No.16849933
>>16839324
For whatever reason, DEs do not make good frontends to mouse options. I have no idea what their settings are trying to do, you just have to learn to use xinput and other tools. Heck, you should just learn X11's ways in general, and not this pile of failed mutant abstractions.
Here is a script pilfered from someone else to disable acceleration: xinput list –name-only | sed "/Virtual core pointer/,/Virtual core keyboard/"\!"d;//d" | xargs -I{} xinput set-prop pointer:{} "libinput Accel Profile Enabled" 0 1 &> /dev/null
This one enables acceleration: xinput list –name-only | sed "/Virtual core pointer/,/Virtual core keyboard/"\!"d;//d" | xargs -I{} xinput set-prop pointer:{} "libinput Accel Profile Enabled" 1 0 &> /dev/null
Some general X knowledge to help you become less of a babby duck: select to copy then middle click to paste… This stored text in the PRIMARY X11 paste buffer. There are 3 clipboards in X11, one is sort of deprecated (SECONDARY), PRIMARY is what you'll often accidently use and CLIPBOARD is usually what you actually want. Never update the system without using a terminal multiplexer or a tty, X11 can fail miserably and kill all your processes in its tree, thus interrupting a package upgrade or other transaction and possibly corrupting things/leaving things an in inconsistent state. To be fair, X.Org's implementation is pretty decent and stable nowadays, however the configuration file is still the worst human readable config file in the world if you have to use it, its so very fragile and semi-silently produces difficult to debug errors.
Some good X11 programs (you have to learn to use or configure them): Emacs (can be compiled with X11 toolkits and not GTKshit), Worker (file manager), Fvwm, StumpWM, and cwm.
>>16848937
You need Mesa, X11 specific drivers (if its an easy distro then this is figured out already), and the kernel drivers, if its a normal mostly open source driver. Otherwise, it is seperate from the kernel and most likely proprietary. If you are on Wayland, you just need Mesa and the kernel drivers from what I understand (I don't use it).
PPAs are very fragile, they should not be used for drivers.
Those rolling release distros require regular maintenance usually, Void is a little more stable simply because their software is less complex, but their package manager (xbps) can break things and uninstall things it shouldn't automatically like any other normal package manager. Nix and Guix can get things right, but they are made for programmers mainly.
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9222cb No.16850075
>>16849933
I wrote a more robust version of that script.
https://openload.cc/rfq4L4b4oe
https://anonfiles.com/T9q7L5bcob
If you unplug your mouse it resets, you should use a xorg configuration file instead to make it permanent.
Taken from the archcancer wiki:
/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf
Section "InputClass"
Identifier "My Mouse"
Driver "libinput"
MatchIsPointer "yes"
Option "AccelProfile" "flat"
Option "AccelSpeed" "0"
EndSection
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c6bf03 No.16850245
>>16849931
>>16849933
>>16850075
Thanks but I'm trying out Manjaro KDE now, which has the "flat" acceleration profile on the mouse settings menu. I'm not sure if that removes acceleration entirely or tones it down, but it helps a good amount.
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7bfc6d No.16850423
Finally found out how to set up Wine to run Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord. All it needed was dgVoodoo, DXVK and ddraw.dll override.
>passthroughfags
Why bother with Linux, when in the end you are using it to run Windows anyway?
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4d044f No.16850472
>>16849933
>require regular maintenance
All the maintenance my two Void installs have needed is updating. xbps hasn't broken anything yet on my systems, do you have proof for that? I'd rather take the extra maintenance, though, but it doesn't amount to much. When things do go wrong with package management, it's typically something the Void maintainers got wrong and all you have to do is wait for them to push more updates. If that doesn't work, you can always complain on their IRC channel.
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425d04 No.16850548
>>16850245
>>16850075
I just made a little script for it using that arch page. Also combined it opening up the CPU so I can get maximum performance.
#chmod +x
xinput --set-prop 13 'libinput Accel Speed' -1 && sudo cpupower frequency-set -g performance
Set prop # to whatever your mouse is. I also have a backup script that scans through every possible device which I use if I've ever changed USB device orders.
Put it in your .local/bin folder so you can run it anywhere. I named it cpu_mouse_prototype.sh
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7c6758 No.16852903
>>16839324
>>16849933
Is this a default in xorg or something mint/cinnamon does?
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0c98f7 No.16852907
>>16850423
Wow, I was trying to play this recently. It aged like milk, the mechanics are clunky and tedious, and there's nto much to make up for it. I'd rather play Steel Panthers.
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890c92 No.16853003
>>16819884
Nvidia(Fuck you)+Ryzen. In my case, while had a couple of games in Steam and other platforms, I only really played 60% of them. From that 60%, 80-90% of the games were covered either natively or with Proton/Wine+DXVK. Although tbh most of the games I play are Indie/AA so maybe that helps. All of them run pretty great, plus I get the Linux freedom™.
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a728a3 No.16853052
>>16847216
HAHAHAHA
> $1,100.00 dell laptop brick with ubuntu 7.10
> can't load verizon disc
> can't college
> can't internet
I would still fuck her over and over until I have a heart attack
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194bd0 No.16853060
>>16853052
Maybe I'm retarded, but was it all that common for isps to have their own install disks, or is this a "So old that laptops being able to directly connect to cell networks" type of thing
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cee048 No.16853264
>linux gaming
You actually mean
>windows just an "emulation" gaming
Correct? Bitch please there is no such thing as serious linux gaming, you are just stealing windows software and claiming it as your own.
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ce1a50 No.16853271
>>16853264
What are you gonna do about it, big guy?
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caba03 No.16853335
>>16853264
6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, the instruction set used by windows for 32bit and 64bit operating systems (64bit in particular) was primarily designed for Linux systems first. So, if you wanna be a mega retard like that, windows gyinked Linux in the first place.
And even with unbelievably generous over estimations Microsoft likely only has 0.01% of the people that worked on anything meaningful still with company.
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3d8fd1 No.16853340
>>16853060
it was "in" in the dialup age. you could still connect manually
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88678e No.16853342
>>16853264
Well all Counter Strikes work natively, so I have Counter Strike on Linux. And of course console emulators work natively on Linux too (obviously going by your logic that's not real Linux gaming too, I guess I have to get a real SNES), so I have old Final Fantasy. And this basically all you really need, but then again there is Wine which lets you, indeed, use Windows software. Not really through emulation, it's more like an API/ABI for Windows programs, but of course it provides an "emulated" environment for those programs, like a drive_c folder and so on.
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667507 No.16853365
Recently set up PCI passthrough for doing a windows virtual machine, it always amazes me how shit windows is. It works perfectly for quickly booting up a throwaway install for anti-cheat games and using proton/wine/whatever-the-fuck compatibility layer wants to work. Despite the pain it was to set up l, much fucking nicer to just click a button to start a VM and switch my monitors source than dual boot for a round.
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000000 No.16853372
>>16853335
>the instruction set used by windows for 32bit and 64bit operating systems (64bit in particular) was primarily designed for Linux systems
what in the actual fuck am i reading
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82cde9 No.16853385
>>16853372
X86_64 was a Linux thing first
And that's not even getting into all the different 64bit architectures that are still Linux only
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2e7ad1 No.16853395
>>16853385
That doesn't mean it was "designed for Linux", nigger.
Furthermore Wikipedia just says "first operating system kernel" not "Linux systems", you double nigger.
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f7e082 No.16853397
Dont some games run way better on Linux due to VULKAN integration while most devs stick with dx12 for windows
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2e7ad1 No.16853410
>>16853397
>while most devs stick with dx12
You can usually choose your render target on Windows, nigger.
Usually engines give you the option between different DX versions, sometimes OpenGL and today Vulkan.
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f7e082 No.16853414
>>16853410
yea i know but some have made linux specific versions running on vulkan while windows was stuck with trash. Total Warhammer 2 comes to mind, runs like shit on windows and linux got the only vulkan version which runs far more smoothly
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2e7ad1 No.16853419
>>16853414
>while windows was stuck with trash
Who says that? I didn't play it but don't go making up shit without making a benchmark under equal conditions.
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000000 No.16853475
>>16853397
I've had native linux games run shittier on Linux than windows.
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ba3be7 No.16853525
>>16853475
I've had native Windows games run shittier on Windows than Linux. Like Gothic 1.
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7bfc6d No.16853673
>>16852907
Well, games with 2D graphic/sprites do age better than early full-3D games. There are modern Combat Mission games, but considering I haven't even managed to run a demo version, I will not bother with the full games.
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99a679 No.16853859
>>16853264
Are you retarded. Native shit is a thing too you know. And you don't "emulate" shit with wine or proton, you use Windows files and configs in order to run Windows based shit, that's different than a emulator emulating whatever it wants to emulate.
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bb2144 No.16853872
>>16853271
No one wants to do anything about it. The only people actively trying to convince anyone of anything are Linux gamers. Windows users just want to be left alone so they can actually play their fucking games.
Also, BSD is better. Why aren't there BSD PC gaming advocates anyways? It's a better license without RMS' pozzing involved. Apple and Sony managed to do Desktop UNIX and UNIX gaming respectively in a fraction of the time, and gathered more market share than the Linux world ever has.
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caba03 No.16853963
>>16853872
>Windows users just want to be left alone so they can actually play their fucking games
If that were actually true, then why the fuck would they be tolerating an operating system that CONSTANTLY pesters them and gets in the fucking way.
Shit, the only thing windows "does right" is software support, and even then, that's not even something it does. That's a byproduct of being essentially a monopoly for 3 decades, and having all software cater to it as a default.
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74a13b No.16853965
>>16853872
Have fun in that nightmare cloud 🇮🇱 because that's where all those platforms are going.
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bb2144 No.16853970
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play. >>16853963
>CONSTANTLY pesters them and gets in the fucking way
What are you referring to exactly? Honest question. The only thing that comes to mind is that notification point in the bottom corner (which doesn't even show up while playing games).
>>16853965
Not necessarily. See vid. At least, I'm hoping he's right.
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caba03 No.16853976
>>16853970
While, yes I will admit it has gotten slightly less cancerous when just playing games. If you actually use a computer, and god forbid one connected to the internet you will be introduced into the special hell of getting spammed with all the notifications that usually get choked out by "Game Mode"
Like, I've had windows kill a render to "update" which broke my sound drivers, and while it's your fault for not disabling updates it should literally never be okay for your OS to not only fuck up something you are working on, but also break parts of itself only to half assedly glue itself back together a few updates later (not really even an update, just removing the one that broke something)
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bb2144 No.16854129
>>16853976
I can't say all Windows uses will produce the same amount of notifications. I could see how it could be annoying.. but it hasn't been for me. The only time I get a bunch happening there is on a fresh install of Windows and I'm updating a bunch of stuff at once. Otherwise, it's just the occasional notification of a new email or something.
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d59b22 No.16854511
>>16854129
There's also popups that shill MC's browser when you try to install another one with a misleading highlighted button to encourage misclicks. But enough about shitty windows. Anyone who defends that shit can >>>/out/
Anyone think Cyberpunk is going to run like shit because it's being designed for consoles? It's definitely not getting a linux release (don't get me started on CDPR) but I hope it performs well so I have even a chance of a smooth experience of it on my system.
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bb2144 No.16854534
>>16854511
I don't think anyone consciously wants to defend Windows. Just gaming.
I'm more wary that Cyberpunk is just gonna be pozzed. I don't have any reason to doubt CDP for technical reasons.
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508b0e No.16857320
>>16854534
No technical reason? W3 didn't perform well. Console focus and Nvidia jeworks. They're not a particular stand out or anything, that's a problem with every modern game but it shows they're more here to break the mold.
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d59b22 No.16857541
>>16857320
>shows they're more here to break the mold.
meant
<not here to break the mold
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b54a7c No.16857929
Anon, I don't use Linux, but I use the same drivers available on Linux for AMD GPUs on OpenBSD. For any Unix-like OS, I suggest going red because Nvidia sucks ass on those platforms
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000000 No.16857960
>>16857929
Figures you'd post here after the thread was killed. This is good to know, usually Linux shit is pretty difficult to port to saner unices because the former is such a mess.
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e91ce9 No.16857968
>>16857960
Actually the Nvidia thing on Linux is strictly an Nvidia are assholes thing
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b54a7c No.16858342
>>16857960
I forgot to mention but there is currently no way to play Windows-only games on OpenBSD. Just a warrant for Linux users that are tired of freedesktop nonsense and want to migrate to a saner Unix, OpenBSD is not the way to go if you intend to play Windows-only games, as there is currently no way to use Wine on it. Gaming is definitely possible if you want to limit your gaming resources even more, and I am fine with it because I have grown a lot out of vidya.
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ab8d56 No.16860055
There is no Playstation 3 thread on /v/ at the time I'm writing this, at least Ctrl + F didn't show me any results.
Can I still install any Ubuntu distribution on my PS3 (the first model which can run PS2 games, or at least some of it) after firmware upgrade 3.21?
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caba03 No.16860148
>>16860055
From what I remember, ubuntu doesn't actually support the processor (and instruction set) in the ps3, there was a distro specifically made for it, and one of the firmware updates completely dummied out support for other OS. There was a lawsuit over it.
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1b70cd No.16860538
>>16858342
BSD brothers unite, except for FreeBSD trannies. Fuck 'em. Their OS was already shit before the hostile takeover anyway.
NetBSD has WIP WINE support, it'll be in the stable repositories eventually. It also has a Linux compatibility layer but it's garbage and they expect you to manually handle packages for the layer. The only real issue I've experienced is windows-tier audio latency, there's a guy rewriting NetBSD's audio stack but given their release cadency that'll take a year or 2.
Other than that I have the libraries of almost every console with some damn games for it with retroarch which is available there so that's good enough for me.
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caba03 No.16860607
>>16860538
So, I've seen this a couple times, that's a wood burning tool isn't it?
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8d3ae6 No.16861030
Manjarofag here. Why were my web fonts crisper and nicer on Windows 7? Fuck.
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744271 No.16861070
>>16860607
Nope thats a 3D printer. Made in the 80s, thats how cool Terry is. I miss him.
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744271 No.16861072
>>16861030
Windows renders fonts differently. You can compile Windows 7 fonts from the AUR or just copy paste them from Windows 7.
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2e7ad1 No.16861079
>>16860607
>>16861070
Yeah but it doesn't work like a modern 3d printer.
iirc it carved out the wood instead of laying down layers of material.
That has the advantage of cheap hard things instead of weak prototype shit but the downside that it doesn't work with plastic.
One major application of 3d printing is electronics. However if you think of other applications Terrys machine is the more useful one.
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edf0cc No.16862204
>>16861072
I'll sooner figure out how to fuck my own ass than how to fix this shit.
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4084d5 No.16862384
>>16861030
Fonts are hard and good fonts require a lot of expensive work.
Microsoft blew a ton on fonts for Windows 7.
You can find some decent fonts that are also free or even open source. Or, as others have said, you can just install Microsoft's fonts if you want.
Half the problem is Linux only includes a few (open) fonts to begin with and the other half is that websites generally target the most common fonts, and a lot of them predate modern resolutions.
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a8067d No.16863343
>>16862384
Microsoft's fonts are ancient garbage that has been horribly digitized by a company called Monotype that used to make a living out of taking Linotype fonts and changing them slightly then calling it their own, until they bought Linotype recently. Not that I particuarly give a shit about the originality of a font, but don't expect people who make a living off of copypasting to suddenly plop out a decent digitization of a print font such as Times Roman. You know, one of the many fonts Microsoft ordered from them.
Windows also has broken OTF rendering to this day and is stuck with the inferior TTF. In addition to that escaping from Microsoft's kikery is intentionally obscure and you need to mess with the wangblows registry to make it use a font other than Microsoft's own garbage. Windows' font rendering is the worst of any still-updated operating system, which is fucking hilarious, because Microsoft is behind most of the font tech we use now.
Anon's issue is that he's using a shitty distro with a mistery meat font. And possibly Chrome/Chromium. Jewgle's browser is littered with font rendering bugs because instead of letting the OS libraries do it they bake in their own libraries to do it, and they come with the Google seal of quality.
If you want decent fonts try Source Code Pro for monospace, Ubuntu for sans serif (make sure you get it in OTF not TTF, but I don't expect anything from Arch so I imagine they only distribute it in TTF).
Other good sans serif fonts are Nimbus Sans L and San Francisco (SanFran is an Apple font but it's free, they published it on a random github repo). All of those except maybe San Francisco should be available on the stock distro repos.
I'm not aware of a good free Serif font, most people just make a sans serif font their default "serif" font anyway. If that bothers you pirate Rockwell which is proprietary but a decent slab serif font for screens (even though it's only a digitization).
If you don't like Helvetica or fonts that are too Helvetica-like, OpenBSD has a homegrown monospace font they use in their console terminal that is nothing like that. I don't know its name but if you look it up you should be able to find a download, like everything out of that project it's free.
If with these fonts things still look like shit then it's because Arch configures its fonts particularly horribly, one more reason to get off that sunken ship.
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6420c6 No.16864575
If Gimp is to Photoshop, what is to Vegas or After Effects?
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d5fc41 No.16864599
>>16864575
Gimp is trash, so I guess Kdenlive or something?
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4d044f No.16864645
>>16864599
For video editing, there's Olive, Blender, and Shotcut too. And if you do digital painting Krita is actually pretty good, some say even better than Photoshop. It's got a lot of polish.
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76dce5 No.16864655
>>16864645
Basically anything is better than photoshop for Drawing, photoshop just makes post sketch editing easier.
Not to knock krita though, it's fuckin nice
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a429b9 No.16865251
>>16864599
>>16864575
photoshop is much more than gimp tho, it never really was a logical comparison. maybe if gimp and krita (plus some extra filters and shit) would be one package.
plus most shit people do in PS they can easily do in gimp, the amount of actual professionals or even amateurs using it for more than cropping images is pretty minimal.
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cdd1af No.16865344
Running an R5 2600 and an RX 5700. Everything I want to play runs well natively, or runs well via Proton or Lutris.
It's funny. I recently set up a couple of Windows PCs for people and, coming from Plasma on Manjaro, I was fucking horrified at how shit the general desktop experience is. No tabs in the File Manager is a good example; it's a small difference, but it's very noticeable.
If it means my daily tasks are easier, and my software is more intuitive, I don't mind doing a bit of extra legwork to get certain games running on Linux. It's a fair trade-off.
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c168ab No.16865350
>>16865344
5700 works on Linux? Maybe it's time for an upgrade after all
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6a1d8d No.16865517
>>16864599
>Gimp is trash
>the program making GEGL, which swallowed mypaint, supports everything, invented GTK is trash
>using Terry for nonsense again
Go back to your Photoshop with its HTML, Flash interface you fucking cocksucking nigger.
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75d427 No.16865528
>>16865350
As others have stated ITT, AMD's GPU drivers are opensource, so they're often better than Nvidia's on Linux.
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777783 No.16865541
>>16865528
Yeah but wasn't there some fuckery with Navi, and iirc the 590?
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75d427 No.16865543
>>16865541
Probably. Thing is, most issues get resolved in a few months after launch. It's dumb as fuck to buy computer hardware at launch because there's bound to be something to improve on the firm/software side.
I got my MSI RE 5700 in Jan, long after the storm. Cheaper to get it then, too.
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70c3ab No.16865806
>>16865541
>iirc the 590?
bought it at launch due to a good deal, the only issue with the 590 was that older linux kernels didn't support the power management so you had to disable it in grub, but it should be fixed by now.
no issues in windows and the blackscreen people meme about only happens in 1 game so rather put the blame on the game (which isn't the most stable and bugfree to begin with).
can't speak for navi but the issue was probably similar, so unless you're willing to compile your own kernel for bleeding edge hardware you either have to wait or use a distro that keeps it somewhat up2date.
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583d60 No.16866292
>>16861030
>'cleartype' is Microsoft's implementation of subpixel rendering technology in rendering text in a font system. ClearType attempts to improve the appearance of text on certain types of computer display screens by sacrificing color fidelity for additional intensity variation. This trade-off is asserted to work well on LCD flat panel monitors.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ClearType
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08caae No.16866378
>>16866292
I tried out replacing regular freetype with this:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/freetype2-cleartype/
It sharpened the text up a bit, but it doesn't look as good. Looks a bit chunky and uneven, despite setting up the same fonts on my browser.
I'll just have to get used to how it is.
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08caae No.16866390
>>16866378
>come out of ancient 2009 operating system into cutting edge 2020 Linux distribution
>fonts look worse across the board
God damn if I ain't mad though.
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93bc88 No.16866531
>>16866390
People say software doesn't rot, but I think it rots in reverse. What do you call it when the old fruit are just as fresh as they were years ago and everything that grows on the vine today is inedible?
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2ef8cd No.16866559
I'll never believe in Linux gaming.
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4d044f No.16870941
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c301ea No.16871018
>>16866390
theoretically, there's not much stopping people from porting the font renderers into modern distributions.
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65cc10 No.16871528
>>16871018
Let me know if they do. I'm at the verge of switching back to Windows 7, my eyes can't get used to this shit.
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6b2b0f No.16871592
>>16864575
ur gonna have to use blender m8
might not seem logical at first but it is the best solution
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c301ea No.16871632
>>16871528
With a level of concern adequate with what might be your particular needs, you might have misplaced priorities if you're considering hopping back to windows over how fonts are rendered.
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c5d011 No.16872438
>>16871528
>>16871632
That is some next level comfort-zone. If you need everything to be exactly the same down to the fonts then I don't even know how you got from 7 to 10 let alone trying linux. Meh, your loss.
Getting even better performance on Kingdome Come while streaming now that I switched to VAAPI hardware encoder on OBS as long as I stay FHD in-game and x720 OBS. Removing too many dynamic elements on OBS was also vital.
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4252c5 No.16872452
Even as a Windows user, fonts are the last on my list to drop Linux for. There's nothing stopping me from being a fulltime Linux user except the convenience/infrastructure set up for games. Everything else is great about Linux or BSD.
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65cc10 No.16872787
>>16872438
>from 7 to 10
>implying
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673941 No.16875203
Been on Gentoo for years now, but I think I'm gonna switch to Arch. It's annoying that updates are constantly broken by the same packages, on any setup, for years. Stuff like cairo, rust, those mozilla dependencies in general and the chaos that is python. All the gaming stuff comes from portage overlays, the more obscure ones are poorly maintained and having any of that installed is an invitation for problems on updates. It's a shame as Gentoo does many things better than Arch but I don't have the time to manually reinstall a quarter of my system every few months to enable the system to be consistent and up-to-date.
>>16866559
I've compared the whole retroarch emulation stuff lately and it runs far better on Linux. That together with steam ports and wine makes Windows almost a special-needs OS to play a few bitchy AAA titles that just don't run on Linux.
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4252c5 No.16875290
>>16875203
>I've compared the whole retroarch emulation stuff lately and it runs far better on Linux. That together with steam ports and wine makes Windows almost a special-needs OS to play a few bitchy AAA titles that just don't run on Linux.
It's more about the infrastructure and third party tools for me, rather than any individual game. Mod managers for instance can be a shitshow even on Windows. I'm not going to shoot myself in the foot even more.
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518c0b No.16875351
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000000 No.16876561
>>16875203
I feel you. Python really is a pest on Gentoo, almost as bad as Perl used to be but at least Perl is all legacy now so it rarely changes anymore. Language-specific package management in general deserves an extra portion of Zyklon B, stop trying to install another system within my system you worthless self-important shits. I definitely get the feeling that the quality of Gentoo maintainers has gone downhill in the recent years too, I run into more and more dumb dependency issues that could have been avoided by basic sanity and hygiene. Such as not fucking editing the ebuild in place to remove USE flags. Holy fuck build revisions exist for a reason.
>but then all the other people have to rebuild and notice our fuckery oh no
Fuck you, you fuck it up, you pay the price. Stop pushing the buck onto people trying to have a sane system.
Unfortunately it seems like no other distro will fit my needs, I would have jumped long ago otherwise. Really says something when the reason you're using your OS is "everything is retarded and this one is just slightly less retarded".
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b6494d No.16876823
Why does "rolling release" mean "we need to periodically update the calculator"?
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9db14c No.16876875
>>16876823
Not sure, but you know what is also odd.
Anyone else have issues with keyboard shortcuts for the calculator not launchin it?
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9db14c No.16878560
Is PopOS any good on laptops with combination igpu dedicated gpu setups?
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bd6fa4 No.16878794
>>16876823
I don't use it but that sounds like a question for their forums if they have any.
Played some warframe today. Only crashed once in railjack which is a lot better than the 4 crashes average per mission I was getting. Guess they did some patching while I was away. Managed to get a few resources. Still need so much more to repair the better gear I found.
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4ac173 No.16879299
>>16876823
KCalc is part of the desktop environment, so when the update for KDE is released, it's for all parts
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578004 No.16879305
>>16819884
Did they fix EAC yet? I wanna play FighterZ god damn it.
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9db14c No.16879336
>>16879305
They can't really "fix" the EAC issue because of how EAC works. Not even getting into the fact that Epic owns it now and they (really just the sweenyman) are being assholes towards linux recently.
Hell, it's pretty transparent what the issue is considering microsoft had a moment of genuine fucking horror that Master Chief Collection worked great on proton and they gimped the whole thing with EAC around a week before the game came out just to break linux support.
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eba680 No.16881155
>>16863343
I know this was posted two weeks ago, but I am gonna save this. Did this on my Windows 10 and shit looks great, going to do this on my other Linux machines as wellthat are all mostly servers
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64de9f No.16881194
>>16881155
literally can't even see a difference
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eba680 No.16881207
>>16881194
That's because I didn't take a picture after I applied it.
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d99901 No.16882505
Anyone here tried running Lutris as a Flatpak? Most games are propietary garbage, so it's reasonable to go try and sandbox them, Flatpak seems like the most active option out of everything else on the table. Especially when it comes to gaming, which is useful since any papercuts and more serious bugs are fixed relatively quickly.
So, Lutris is not on the official repositories, it is still a beta. You can nevertheless install it and it'll sort of work, but when I tried to add a Wine game and tried to run it, it complained that the executable file was not found and will fail to run it. Haven't found any useful information on the subject, I did ask a few people on Discord It's the only place where you can find Lutris devs and other people who make installers and shit, I don't want it to use it either but gotta eat shit from time to time I guess. but no dice. Here's the repo with instructions on how to install it, build it, eat it, bop it… https://github.com/flathub/net.lutris.Lutris
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faaaf2 No.16882521
>>16882505
I'm not sure you'll get anything with this. you're probably still gonna run vidya outside flatpak
if you're concerned with the things you run being evil, I'd rather focus on getting native lutris to run wine shit inside containerized chroots or something
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cd0b92 No.16882660
>>16882521
This
Honestly GPU pass though is the best option as you can contain your vidya to an isolated VM
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faaaf2 No.16882704
>>16882660
this. it's the shit you'd be running is literally on a different OS
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d99901 No.16883822
>>16882521
>I'm not sure you'll get anything with this. you're probably still gonna run vidya outside flatpak
I've tried out running Steam as a Flatpak already, all games that it launches are sandboxed as well, so that is moot.
>I'd rather focus on getting native lutris to run wine shit inside containerized chroots or something
Chroots are not containers. You can easily break out of them, security was never a concern with these. Literally anything else is better than a chroot.
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c20aa7 No.16883854
ctrl+f
>nvidia: 30
<amd: 27
How the fuck does anyone live without the ACO drivers for DXVK?
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faaaf2 No.16885085
>>16883822
>all games that it launches are sandboxed as well
ok then, great. how does it run with a image with 100+ GB in it?
>Chroots are not containers.
I know
>You can easily break out of them
from what I hear, it's the same for containers. and I wasn't being specific. notice the
>or something
>>16883854
the what?
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d99901 No.16885205
>>16885085
>ok then, great. how does it run with a image with 100+ GB in it?
Fuck if I know. Haven't gotten around to playing the only game in my library that comes close to being that big GTA V and games that big are pretty faggoty anyways. Load times on smaller games were alright though.
>from what I hear, it's the same for containers. and I wasn't being specific
No. Chroots were created a long ass time ago, before the 80s. Modern solutions like LXD are much more secure.
>the what?
Searx and Duck Duck Go are your friends, faggot.
>>16883854
Friendly reminder to anyone running Nvidia with Linux or even Nvidia at all: you're feeding the jew.
AMD has free and open source drivers for their cards while Nvidia doesn't and just uses their Windows codebase. What this means if you're not a Stallmanite is that Nvidia often plays by their own rules and fucks everybody over in the process, an example is their lack of regard for GBM, which means that you can't use Nvidia cards properly with Wayland. You're also going to get weird ass errors because of those drivers at times, while more often than not AMD's and Intel's will just work, because they give a shit about making drivers that integrate with the rest of the Linux ecosystem.
And what this guy here mentioned about ACO is great. In order to play your precious Windows propietaryware that almost always uses DX11, we now have DXVK, which translates DX calls into Vulkan ones; well, this layer makes use of LLVM to compile shaders (programs that your GPU executes) and LLVM is not the fastest at doing this, it's a bit of a jack of all trades. Now, get this, ACO is a far superior replacement for LLVM, made by Valve, not AMD, and this would only have been possible because their drivers are open. Currently, it only works with AMD cards, not Intel's, and not on OpenGL, it depends a lot on the architecture of the GPU it seems.
If you're going to use Linux, make yourself a favor and buy an AMD GPU. Does it look like I'm shilling? Well, it's not like there's much of a choice in GPUs anyway, so.
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faaaf2 No.16885222
>>16885205
>Fuck if I know.
well then. let us know how it turns out
>Modern solutions like LXD are much more secure.
"more secure" doesn't make it "secure". I'm by no means a pentest expert, but I have talked to a lot of people who are. it is doable
>Searx and Duck Duck Go are your friends, faggot.
sure, nice talking to you
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e79ede No.16885316
Going to see if nuDoom Eternal works
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e79ede No.16885390
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d99901 No.16886020
>>16885222
>sure, nice talking to you
Look, if you need things spoonfed to you, you don't belong here.
>>16885390
People are releasing builds of Proton that already work with it. https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom/releases/tag/5.4-GE-2
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763ae2 No.16886088
>>16886020
https://www.protondb.com/app/782330
Too much work for what is likely going to have low performance and a meh game. I'll try later when it's all fixed.
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ef7b8d No.16886925
>>16882505
>but when I tried to add a Wine game and tried to run it, it complained that the executable file was not found and will fail to run it.
Its due the file you want to run is not set in winecfg with the associated wine prefixes being used, you need to check the harddrives tab and assign a virtual drive to it to fix it. It happened to me a couple times too and doing it fixed this issue for me.
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b6e7ae No.16887079
>>16886925
No, not even executing winecfg works. I'm fairly sure that is not the issue, given that even Linux native games can't be launched. I've made sure the Flatpak can see the host filesystem too, so I don't know where the problem is.
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000000 No.16887623
>>16887079
Executable bit not set? 32/64 bit fuckery?
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b6e7ae No.16887850
>>16887623
It's a Flatpak thing, I'm sure of it. All of this works just fine when using Lutris normally, and with the same configuration.
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000000 No.16887868
>using nouveau drivers with GTX 960 on Kubuntu
>refresh rate is stuck at 60Hz on my 144Hz monitor
>changing it to 120 or 144 causes seizure-inducing flickering
>absolutely clueless
help
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b6e7ae No.16887903
>>16887868
You're running Maxwell, which means your performance will be absolute dogshit because there's no reclocking support in Nouveau for those cards. The latest cards which you can run with reasonable performance on Nouveau are Kepler cards, GTX 6xx and 7xx series. Get an AMD card or suck up to the Nvidiocy and get the propietary drivers.
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9db14c No.16887918
So, do you need Valve's SteamVR specific kernel for index audio? I'm sure I have a new enough kernel based on what it was asking for on the git page, but it doesn't show up as an audio device.
Yeah, I'm aware steamvr on linux is kind of in a fucky way since it dropped to like, one dev while they were working alyx, but still, I wanna make sure I'm not doing anything retarded
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6722c4 No.16888004
>>16866378
Just install gentoo and free yourself.
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6722c4 No.16888008
>>16866378
And if you want sharper font rendering disable subpixel anti aliasing and/or use a font/variant with a thinner stroke.
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1e20d5 No.16889372
>>16888004
>>16888008
>>16866378
When it comes to fonts, I ended up with one called Bitstream Vera Serif or something like that, Waterfox just set it as a default but it looks really nice, actually better than on Windows. When it comes to stuff like fonts and video/image codecs I just install everything I can find once and then I never have to worry about it again. It's a bloated approach but it's better than stumbling over some missing library or font when you least expect it.
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66e94b No.16898749
>>16886088
>>16886020
So I eventually did get it installed and finished the game on nightmare. Was ok. Not sure if I should replay it and collect things or uninstall and be done with it.
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047593 No.16898941
>>16821470
Admittedly I didn't switch over completely on my home PC until I worked in Linux environments, mostly CLI only, for work for a decently long period of time, and same with Windows 10. Windows began to piss me off even more than it usually does and I began to notice how infuriating simple things like file permissions can be on Windows because nobody actually took the time to think it through and instead patched it together piecemeal (which is ironic when you consider how Linux works). Even some drivers are less of a pain in the ass on Linux now, at least with "easy" distros like Mint and Nvidia officially supporting Linux drivers. Most of the annoyances you will have in Linux stem from not being able to install specific software, but you will become much more educated and capable at making software work, which will serve you well in the long run. I'm amazed at how good I've gotten at making games work. Just recently I managed to find the source code for and build the old version of ZDoom without FMOD so it would use SDL and sound would work, all so I could run a Doom mod which relies on that version (but still gets updates). Kike Zahl naturally doesn't host the GZDoom source code for the particular build that works for that mod so you can use the latest and greatest version.
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9bca71 No.16902066
>>16819884
Between Lutris, protondb, and wine basically everything works. The hardest thing is probably installing nvidia drivers.
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9a38c2 No.16902139
>>16902066
I know in general you're an idiot for using a laptop, but it's pretty annoying all the laptops with dedicated graphics use nvidia.
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b6e7ae No.16902318
>>16902139
There are maybe 1 or 2 laptops with dedicated AMD graphics, you just need to look.
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2f86d4 No.16902341
>>16902318
Oh I'm aware. But it's less choice so I can't get the combination I'd want.
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3a87f7 No.16903498
Is running games on Arch much more difficult/tedious than on normie distros?
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588587 No.16903504
>>16866390
That's just a FOSS thing in general, always working on funky "new" features that the devs care about, thinking that everyone needs them, instead of getting the very basics down and ironed out to perfection.
Happened with the latest version of Gimp too, which is an obtuse piece of shit. Their response was "everyone likes it, shut up and go fork it yourself" even though it seemed like a large number of people hated the changes.
Rufus has the same thing, not supporting numerous OSes for no real reason and when called out, they gave the typical response of
>no one needs that OS!
>why would we focus on that instead of accessibility features! (for a program with five buttons, mind you)
>just implement it yourself if you're so smart!
That last one is what gets me the most. It seems to be the go-to response whenever you want things to just work with FOSS software. I already make my own software, I don't want to make my own software which I will then use to make more of my own software.
>>16871632
>>16872438
People have different priorities when using an OS. For all the people that jerk the terminal off as being a godsend, I know full well I'd avoid using it if I can. I've written custom batch scripts for every command line tool I have to use on Windows just because I know I can't remember the fifty fucking variables you have to write and which order they go in for every damn tool I use.
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3f47ee No.16903510
>>16902318
Probably. Although arch-variants like Manjaro are rated highly for gaming, hence why I use it. Arch on its own is a very do-it-yourself distro.
>>16903504
>People have different priorities when using an OS.
Ok, but there's still an upper limit here. Choosing an OS over fonts is indefensible. It's way too specific.
>I've written custom batch scripts for every command line tool I have to use on Windows just because I know I can't remember the fifty fucking variables you have to write and which order they go in for every damn tool I use
That's completely standard, across every OS. Every tech-savvy user or developer does this. I do the same on linux, I create .sh files I run in ~/.local/bin that are useful. Nobody claims you need to remember absolutely everything. I keep notes on useful but hard to remember stuff. But none of this is a defense of Windows, which only very recently has gotten a decent terminal too because tech industries are actually trending back to heavy terminal usage again and people are losing their minds with powershell. The new windows terminal is apparently really good when paired with the windows subsystem for linux.
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8f5bf4 No.16903511
>>16903498
Most stuff works just like on Ubunu systems. When it doesn't though… you're on your own, for the most part. Occasionally, you can find something from 2005 on some dead forum, but that's about it. Unless you're an autistic NEET, chances are you won't bother at that point. But those situations are rare.
Beware of pacman though, it has a tendency to fuck shit up good. It once ate my kernel and a whole bunch of other files with an update, which was when I stopped using Arch.
>>16858342
OpenBSD or NetBSD (in that order) are great operating systems, but they're really better for work than for play. No better programming OS than OpenBSD.
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bf0f1d No.16903512
>>16903498
>he thinks arch isn't a distro for normalniggers
take your spurdo and come back when you are on Void, Tiny Core, Haiku, SuperGamer, GRELKK, Rancher, SHONUTS, Bimbo, RebeccaBlack, Makulu, Pisi, Plamo, Omarine, or any other OS that isn't complete normalnigger tier
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4032e4 No.16903528
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6a5207 No.16904133
>>16903511
>Beware of pacman though, it has a tendency to fuck shit up good.
Considering a switch to Arch, I've been afraid of that. Is there any similarly minimalist distro without pacman? I thought Arch would be the perfect learning experience for me, and I like ricing, but having my system randomly off itself sounds insufferable.
>>16903512
>spurdo
bruh
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518c0b No.16904288
>>16904133
If your worried about your system fucking itself, get something like Timeshift or Snapper so you can rewind the filesystem back to when things were working again. Then you can systematically go through each package and learn which one caused the breakage.
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000000 No.16904462
>>16903511
>No better programming OS than OpenBSD.
Symbolics Genera :^)
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b6e7ae No.16904757
>>16904133
Void. Arch being minimalist is a fallacy. Arch devs including systemd and packing every single optional dependency onto every package is the complete opposite of minimalism.
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b3b02a No.16904861
>>16904757
> is the complete opposite of minimalism
Hardly. It's just at a different level. How far you want to take the MUH BLOAT train is up to the user. Afaik you can't really get by without systemd if you want to do anything like gaming. Anyone who starts using Void to learn how to rice is probably just going to end up manually installing systemd, which I guess is ok if that's a learning experience they want.
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b6e7ae No.16904877
>>16904861
>Afaik you can't really get by without systemd if you want to do anything like gaming
That's not true, at all. Steam, Wine, Lutris, Proton, don't depend on it. DXVK doesn't depend on it. No native games depend on it. Why the fuck would I need it for, then?
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b3b02a No.16905168
>>16904877
My bad. I've just never seen a systemd'less gaming setup.
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587886 No.16905205
>>16905168
>>16904757
I've used Steam with Artix before. Works just fine.
Artix is basically Arch - systemDick
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000000 No.16905484
>>16904861
If you pack every optional dependency into every package it simply isn't minimalist. That's not a question of degree, it's like saying meatloaf is "almost vegan".
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64b679 No.16905517
>>16905168
MX Linux is a good entry level SystemD-less distro
technically it does have SystemD for all 3 things that actually need it but it calls it like any other library instead of running everything through it
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1a1d11 No.16905579
>>16903498
More difficult? I wouldn't see why. Most stuff runs fine out of the box once you install it. I didn't have any problems at all with Steam, zdoom and retroarch. With wine it obviously depends on the individual windows application how well it runs, but wine itself also worked pretty much out of the box.
So it's pretty easy, I don't know how it could be any better with Ubuntu and the likes. But compared to gentoo it's easier where achieving the same results required more manual configuration.
On Arch many packages you might want may be in the AUR. I know you're not actually supposed to use one, but pakku is a really nice pacman wrapper that can pull and build those things in an automated way. It also imports the pgp keys, as opposed to all the other wrappers I know that will just fail on unrecognized keys.
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1a1d11 No.16905585
>>16904133
>>16904288
this. Use a copy on write FS if you are worried about fucking up your system. That hasn't really happened to me in 10 years though. Once I managed to crash my PC while updating glibc, and even that could be fixed. Required a chroot from another system though, you can't launch programs with a broken glibc after all.
>>16904861
You basically need to differentiate between minimalism for the sake and simplicity and minimalism for the sake of being lightweight, even more customizable and minimalism for the sake of being free of entanglements with proprietary software. All of those lead to slightly different results.
>>16905168
It doesn't make much of a different, because without systemd you will have most of the functionality systemd would offer you still implemented in a different way.
OpenRC often feels a lot nicer and has a fairly standard syntax. It's basically just shellscripts. Writing systemd services confused the fuck out of me the first time I needed to create one.
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fc0e14 No.16905588
>>16905484
>>16905585
Minimalism is subjective, though. It's not a binary tag something gets/loses, otherwise you'd have to exactly describe when something loses minimalism. Arch, whatever opinions you have about it, is quite small compared to other distros and would definitely be considered minimalist to Windows.
But honestly, who cares? What are you guys playing right now? I was thinking of getting back to Kingdom Come.
>>16905579
>pakku
I'm partial to PACUI myself. Really nice search feature and error fixing. How would you compare them?
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1a1d11 No.16905591
>>16905588
>How would you compare them?
I didn't know PACUI until now so I wouldn't, but it seems to be a TUI, looks pretty nice. Pakku is just a command line tool that works exactly like the pacman command, but with AUR packages included.
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000000 No.16905619
>>16905588
Words make sense even when there is a grey area, and come on, you can win just about every contest by comparing yourself to Windows or Shitbuntu.
>What are you guys playing right now?
UT2004 until the day I die. Hopefully there'll be another gamenight in the future and maybe I won't have 150+ ping this time. Kind of a shame that the map editor wasn't part of the Linux port, fucking around in that thing was always very fun. I feel like the engine struck the sweetspot between being advanced enough to look good and being simple enough that an amateur can make good-looking content for it.
Also bizarrely enough I've been getting into classic card and puzzle games, definitely didn't expect that to happen. Tatham's stuff is really good, but is there a good card game collection for Linux? I found Pysol, but that piece of shit regularly generates unsolvable trash.
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b1cb9a No.16908391
I have been having issues with every game I try on WINE. I figure by this point it's definitely something to do with my computer and not the OS (Manjaro).
What simple, compatible game should I download to run a test?
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5e658b No.16908444
>>16908391
What games have you tried, and what kind of issues have you gotten? I haven't had many issues, and usually once I resolve them the games run flawlessly. Not sure what game to recommend for testing, maybe something oldish?
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838197 No.16908580
Does Civ5 with Vox Populi work on gahnoo slash leenux?
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dc5669 No.16908697
>>16908580
Civ 5's natively on Linux, you can try using the vox populi manual installer, failing that try with Wine, Civ 5 looks like it works perfectly fine in it.
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000000 No.16908879
>>16908391
RPGMaker games are easy to find and usually work flawlessly.
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b6e7ae No.16908940
>>16908391
Just install a game through Lutris, those installations are completely automated, so they're less likely to fail. Try Steam as well, that automates Windows game installations as well. Make sure you have every Wine dependency and then some, as it's laid out on the Lutris wiki.
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2e212b No.16908941
>>16908580
Civ V vanilla works just fine with wine.
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38d4ca No.16909422
>>16908879
How do you make the midi work though? I find that on some programs I can just run a timidity process and everything will work, but I can't remember getting it to work with the RPG Maker or the original RPGRT.EXE. I would imagine easy RPG to a solution included though, like the chip emulation on zdoom. But timidity would actually sound great.
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4032e4 No.16909424
>>16909422
Heard maybe you can route it to fluidsynth, though I've heard it exclusively in relation to the game TZAR which does audio exclusively through midi
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38d4ca No.16909425
>>16908391
Try Deus Ex or Touhou 6, they should run perfectly in wine.
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5e658b No.16910112
>>16909422
I'm not sure if it'll help you but I managed to make gzdoom (on wine) use fluidsynth, wasn't particularly hard. I mean, if one game is able to use this setup I imagine the rest shouldn't have any problem, and at least knowing this works you should be able test if you got everything working fine on your end.
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74b2f1 No.16910484
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>>16908391
Momodora: Reverie Under The Moonlight. It's 32bit so it'll at least confirm your 32bit version of wine is functional.
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1696aa No.16914294
>>16908940
Can the Lutris/Steam thing run steam games that usually wouldn't work? My only steam game that works out of the box on Linux is Counter Strike which is running natively anyway.
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b6e7ae No.16914466
>>16914294
Most games work. Just download Steam and try it out. It should be a turnkey solution.
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b7cb4d No.16914517
>>16914294
In the steam settings you can enable it to try run every game rather than just the whitelisted ones by valve/devs.
The most INcompatible games are usually modern ones with .exe anti-cheat cancer. Otherwise you'll probably be able to play half of your library pretty convincingly.
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1a1d11 No.16914599
>>16914517
>>16914466
Thanks, I've never seen that setting.
I think I'm going to try a Final Fantasy port.
>>16910112
>gzdoom (on wine)
Why?
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cd86f7 No.16914622
>>16910484
You dummy Momodora has a native linux version.
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cd86f7 No.16914623
>>16910112
Also GZdoom has a native linux version.
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5e658b No.16914666
>>16914599
>>16914623
I had issues with the native version, I don't remember exactly what it was but it was just easier to run it through wine. I remember looking up the issues I was having and finding a couple of old threads on gzdoom forums and I think also some issue tracker tickets but seems nothing came out of those since the issues were still present.
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14c0fd No.16915184
>>16914517
Replying this to add
IF A GAME HAS DLC, AND YOU HAVE NOT ENABLED STEAM PLAY FOR ALL TITLES, THE GAME WILL NOT BE ABLE TO INSTALL YOUR DLC AS IT'S TECHNICALLY A SECOND LIBRARY ENTRY THAT DOESN'T SHARE WHITELISTING STATUS WITH THE ACTUAL GAME
And also complain to valve to fix this shit
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c30cfd No.16915228
What's the most autistic distro people use for gaming and why is it Tails?
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14c0fd No.16915254
>>16915228
>Gaming on a Kamikaze USB
Granted, I have 128GB ram, and that could technically be doable. You'd be introducing so many points of vulnerability installing gaming shit it'd be redundant to use.
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c30cfd No.16915257
>>16915254
>I have 128GB of RAM
Nigga do you play games on a fucking Pixar server? Are you rendering movies on that thing?
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14c0fd No.16915258
>>16915257
Genuine answer, I just thought it'd be funny to have 128gb of ram.
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9ccd53 No.16915279
>>16915258
Make it an even 130, then you may have my chuckle.
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14c0fd No.16915288
>>16915279
It doesn't work like that.
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4252c5 No.16915341
>>16915257
If I had the cash, I'd do it just for the hell of it. I use an x299 board, so I technically could fit 8 slots… it's kind of ugly with half of them empty. :\
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3ae389 No.16915558
>>16905168
>I've just never seen a systemd'less gaming setup
now you have
where there's a will there's a way
https://nosystemd.org/
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5e658b No.16915573
>>16915254
And here I am getting bothered with 32GB because of not being able to use even half of it even with multiple VMs running…
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801a9a No.16915616
>>16915341
Did you know that you could buy a pair of fake/filler ram sticks for like US$20?
>>16848978
I'm still thinking of running GPU passthrough because I like playing racing simulators (Mostly Assetto Corsa and rFactor) and getting my wheel setup to run on Linux seems hard.
By the way, how do Linux make use of hardware drivers again? Cause I swear it was like 11 years ago the last time I tried making my Fax machine running on Slackware and I forgot how.
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74b2f1 No.16915773
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>>16914622
Oh 0_0 that's embarrassing. >>16908391 try Momodora 3 instead for Its simpler game mechanics and the girls are cuter.
>>16915558
>r9 380
You like it? I might grab one for 100 shekelroos.
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cca8f5 No.16915826
>>16914294
You could try ram-loading games. Look it up. Basically makes it like it's running off a NASA SSD. Wouldn't be surprised if you could automate the process once done so you could have your fave game ready to go every boot.
>>16915616
>Did you know that you could buy a pair of fake/filler ram sticks for like US$20?
The better option is paying $0 and completely getting over stupid shit like that. Who even looks in their computer? Mine has a window and the only time I look inside is every few months to dust it. And changing hardware ofc but I might not be doing that with this system anymore. Quite likely I'll be doing an entirely new build rather than upgrading this anymore.
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c30cfd No.16915883
>>16915773
That puss looks like a 'sack.
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4252c5 No.16915956
>>16915616
>Did you know that you could buy a pair of fake/filler ram sticks for like US$20?
Ah, I almost forgot. Overpriced. I haven't seen many variations either (not my RAM type at least).
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653b07 No.16916888
>>16832321
In my experience, AMD has been a bigger pain in the ass to work with, fglrx is a disgrace.
Open source drivers are a joke for both, though.
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14c0fd No.16916906
>>16916888
>AMD a pain in the ass to work with on linux
Maybe if you're installing Ubuntu or Debian (LTS) with a relatively new card.
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248bfa No.16916919
>>16853264
Even before wine-staging got as good as it is, i was still perfectly fine playing gl_quake on my g5 with debians.
but tbh i agree, wine is much better for most cases since most gayms don't release their sourcecode making linux libs harder and harder to manage. winapi is unironically the most portable api to write for right now
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248bfa No.16916921
>>16916888
How so?
I hope you're not actually installing amdgpu-pro like an idiot would.
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248bfa No.16916923
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14c0fd No.16916925
>>16916923
Actually, modern KDE is pretty lightweight on RAM
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248bfa No.16916930
>>16908391
Have you made sure the read limit is not capped are retardedly low number?
Some distros cap it at a stupid number so wine esync doesn't work properly.
ulimit -Hn
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b6e7ae No.16916999
>>16916888
fglrx has been dead and buried for a long ass time now. AMDGPU is its replacement and it's dang good, nothing to do with that old fart of a driver. Have you been living under a rock?
>>16915616
>>16915341
Who cares if your RAM slots are empty??? Why the fuck would anyone buy fake RAM sticks???? I hate this fucking planet. There's a million more important things you could be doing and you worry about a computer part you should not be looking at anyways. Faggot.
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76158f No.16918132
>>16915773
I've loved it from the first day I got it and has served me great for years, but nowadays it's hopelessly outdated. It can still run damn near anything I care enough to throw at it (i.e anything pre-Winblows 10) at great frames, but a 3 years-old amdgpu bug causes it to barf and kill my window manager wherever I try to run Bonerlord. Honestly I would pony up the extra few quid for a 580 or even a 590.
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76158f No.16918140
>>16915773
>>16918132
Forgot to mention, I actually have the 380X, which is an entirely different beast to the 380. Even so, it reportedly loses even to the modern entry-level 470.
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-570-vs-AMD-R9-380X/3924vs3532
So yeah. Still, great card, 10/10, would totally recommend, don't buy it.
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1fd4de No.16921888
Does anyone use or know anything about play.it? https://www.dotslashplay.it/en/start
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cade13 No.16922243
>>16921888
I haven't got a clue what that is, Mr. Tripsman, never heard about it until now.
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ae04b9 No.16922380
>>16921888
Never heard of it. It's available in the AUR so it's probably safe. Don't think I'd have much use for it. It seems to be freedom fag stuff. That's cool.
I haven't gamed much in a while. Distracted from college a lot. Only really like having Prominence Poker on the side with steam remote play.
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5e658b No.16922607
How useful is Lutris compared to plain wine? Have you run into a scenario where you necessarily required Lutris to run something or where it runs something significantly better? I remember when I was reading on it I was put off by some stuff about it requiring an account and having some online features that didn't really sound necessary, does it include any actual cancer?
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6c1ed1 No.16922633
>>16922607
Lutris is for me slightly less niggerlicious to use than PlayOnLinux, which with PoL its annoying when those stupid game has crashed popups appears when it is plainly obvious it happened. I don't know what you mean by cancer but with the online stuff it is not necessary which is just used for their statistic page or something and for downloading wine versions which works without a account. So overall I find it its much more comfortable and updated to use than PlayOnLinux
t. uses lutris
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2be468 No.16922639
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c35ac9 No.16922641
All I ever do is play minecraft or tekken, I'm not really missing much.
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c35ac9 No.16922648
>>16823319
>almost all of my games on steam run on linux through proton
Oh shit I forgot about that.
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c35ac9 No.16922668
>>16922648
Damn that shit runs fine.
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ae04b9 No.16922670
>>16922607
>How useful is Lutris compared to plain wine?
It's more of a game manager so directly comparing it to wine doesn't really make sense. Lutris can run native linux games and even manage emulators. It can distinguish between steam and non-steam games. It simply uses wine, it's not a wine replacement.
>Have you run into a scenario where you necessarily required Lutris to run something or where it runs something significantly better?
It helps having a list of all wine-installed games, so it helps with that instead of digging through directories and executing .exes.
For Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition (native linux, non-steam) I use Lutris Preload library option "divos-hack.so" otherwise the game doesn't run. If I didn't use Lutris I'd have to execute that option every time.
>runs something significantly better?
There are no performance gains directly but there is easier control over how the windowing will be managed, which may, by proxy, affect performance, stability, resolution or input issues. Specically with "virtual desktop" option. Some games I use that, some I don't. Having a toggle button makes it simple for me.
>I remember when I was reading on it I was put off by some stuff about it requiring an account
I don't think it requires an account but you oughta use one. You can add games through the website that then appear in your local client which can execute scripts to assist you installing games with wine. It's not a great system. I generally just wine install non-steam games and then add them after the fact to lutris if it doesn't auto detect them. It will always auto detect steam games if you connect your account.
It's not really cancer. It's made by one dude who, by all interviews and online presence, isn't in it for the money or to fuck with people's data. Valve is way more cancer. If you're gonna go down that rabbit hole delete your commercial email and never use steam.
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d83592 No.16922687
>>16922607
It's not a replacement for wine, it's more of a tool that can automate the process for, less easy, to install games via wine by using scripting to run processes laid out either by Lutris users, or processes described on winedb.
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5e658b No.16922723
>>16922670
>>16922687
>It simply uses wine, it's not a wine replacement.
But according to what I've read (https://github.com/lutris/lutris/wiki/Wine-Builds) it has builds which incorporate a lot of custom patches. Is there no truth to that? Honestly, that's what I was after the most, hence my questions focusing mainly on how well each could run programs.
>It's not a great system
That's what I thought too. I prefer to steer clear from programs that are built around having to go online and in this case it additionally just seems rather unnecessary, at least for the kind of use I'd give it.
>never use steam.
But I've never used Steam. Never even had an account.
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850cb2 No.16923189
>>16922723
>That's what I thought too. I prefer to steer clear from programs that are built around having to go online and in this case it additionally just seems rather unnecessary, at least for the kind of use I'd give it.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't require an account. It's just a game manager. It can run offline and without an account. It's a glorified shortcut launcher. I find it very handy for launching non-steam games, especially stuff from >>>/hgg/
>But I've never used Steam
Fair enough if you wanna go full freefag, but modern linux gaming has been practically revolutionised by Valve investments into open source. They're certainly a shitty company when it comes to censoring but they've contributed so much to open source, wine projects etc that I feel like that sets them back to a 0 for me, hence why I'm still tentatively ok with spending some amount of money on steam.
For example, based on protondb.com reports I may/may not buy Cyberpunk. I used to buy from GOG but there's no way I'm not getting such a game off of steam. I want proton and the support. GOG will never provide that.
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e603e7 No.16923261
>>16923189
It sucks that GOG kinda offloaded Linux support onto Lutris. Especially since occasionally it's missing shit, like the Linux versions of metal slug, though, that is kinda because it's packaged as an "extra"
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850cb2 No.16923323
>>16923261
CDPR don't give a shit about linux or you. They caved to blue checkmarks, took an anti-gamergate stance and engage is heavier censorship than Valve.
Galaxy client's most requested feature ever is linux support which has been 'in progress' since 2015 yet confirmed via twitter that they're not supporting it for 2.0 in 2019. Carrot and stick.
So fuck em'. I wouldn't support them for anything short of a full apology for closing their gg thread, apologising for firing their staff because of blue checkmark outrage and a complete 180 on linux support. Even if they started supporting linux more right now wouldn't be enough for me. Valve already beat them to it, so what would make me want to choose them over it? Nothing. Lazy, slow, unhelpful. The early bird catches the worm and Valve have almost completely captured an entire operating system's gaming market; which even if you don't like that, you have to admit is impressive business. GOG don't care about that, or money, or even DRM-free titles anymore. All they care about is pretending to care about customers for upvotes on reddit.
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3c9b2f No.16923353
>>16923323
God damn, plug it you titanic faggot, I just want to download my shit without fucking around with the website.
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34e461 No.16923360
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>>16923353
>plug it
I'll let you do that since you seem interested to
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51834f No.16923735
>>16840438
>>16916923
>>16916925
A nice setup with i3 is much sexier.
>>16922607
>>16922687
Never had much luck with stuff like that. Play On Linux for example had presets for many games but most of them never worked. Even just using wine manually worked much better.
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faaaf2 No.16923741
>>16923735
Play On Linux is garbage. Lutris is way better
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5e658b No.16923976
>>16923189
>modern linux gaming has been practically revolutionised by Valve investments into open source
I know they're involved but I'm not sure to what extent. Still, I think it's pretty cool that they offer some support to Linux despite it likely being just a small breadcrumb compared to the rest of their business. But even then I wouldn't want Steam anywhere near my PC, I honestly hate the idea.
>I want proton and the support. GOG will never provide that
Good luck with that when it inevitably gets the Denuvo.
>>16923735
>Play On Linux for example had presets for many games but most of them never worked
Yeah, it's funny when it tries to install a really old version of wine to install some game and then it fails but normal wine just installs it perfectly fine nowadays. It feels like a relic from another time. Having said that, I actually strongly love Play on Linux. I love all the functionality it provides and how easy it makes certain things, and you can easily manage wine versions manually just by managing the directory where it expects wine to be. Most importantly though it's an excellent entry point to run stuff sandboxed.
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ca840e No.16924001
>>16923976
>proton
>Denuvo
You realize that the second 90% of the time prevents the former from even working unless it's a REALLY old version. Hell it's such an issue Valve was considering revoking denuvo the rights to the api.
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fac946 No.16924131
>>16923976
>I know they're involved but I'm not sure to what extent.
To a major extent. Easily the biggest or 2nd biggest player in linux gaming/graphics world next to Khronos. They've so far contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on linux open source projects as well as personally hire big contributors in the industry and make them work full-time on linux solutions. They update their client weekly and often have linux-specific work done to improve the client. Absolute unparalleled support compared to practically any other company. The superiority of private business rather than investment cancer, committee decision garbage like Epic.
>Still, I think it's pretty cool that they offer some support to Linux despite it likely being just a small breadcrumb compared to the rest of their business
There's actually no real numbers on linux users so it's not really accurate to say breadcrumb. Their public hardware surveys are random and optional. They know exactly how many of their users are on linux (even in windows or linux VMs) but they won't release that data publicly because it's valuable business data that they've worked hard to obtain. They have no desire to share that with competitors by making it public.
Secondly, considering how hard they're supporting linux and their actions compared to other companies shows that they seem to know something nobody else knows or wants to notice; mainly that linux usage has only being going up up up and never down for the past half decade, and that microsoft is trying to create an Apple tier walled garden that will destroy business. Linux just continues to trend while microsoft continuous to piss of the standard users and favor big government contracts. They see a market that they feel is only going to grow and they're happt to capture it while the rest scramble under Microsoft's boot.
>But even then I wouldn't want Steam anywhere near my PC, I honestly hate the idea.
I can respect that. I haven't gone full freefag and I might never but it's an honest position.
>Good luck with that when it inevitably gets the Denuvo
Some Denuvo games work, some do not. Some titles get Denuvo removed later on, some do not. As >>16924001 said, Valve are postured negatively to it so far as it's getting in the way of their goals, as are windows-only anti-cheat. Denuvo can't be 'added' to Proton, there's only fixes by the community and Valve that help get around shitty games that won't work because of it. I myself do not purchase Denuvo-infected games anymore.
>how easy it makes certain things, and you can easily manage wine versions manually just by managing the directory where it expects wine to be
Pics related
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5e658b No.16924274
>>16924001
Yes, that's precisely why I put that sentence in my post. In fact I thought games with it didn't have any chance at all of working through wine. I was however not aware Valve was upset about it, lol.
>>16924131
>They've so far contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars a year on linux open source projects
Well, shit. That's certainly a lot more than I was expecting.
>There's actually no real numbers on linux users so it's not really accurate to say breadcrumb
>Their public hardware surveys are random and optional
Doesn't really matter much if they are random and optional, unless there's a bias they should still be representative. In any case, don't think it's realistic to say it's anything but breadcrumbs. The other scenario where they see a trend and invest on it makes more sense, but even then it sounds like they'd never see a return of investment. Or maybe they will, after all what's a couple hundred thousand dollars to a company like them. But in terms of investment it just sounds a lot more intuitive for them to be pushing in the other direction and trying to make it more difficult to move away from Windows, people are just not going to leave the platform if there's no viable alternative, and jewish tactics like that seem popular and proven.
>I haven't gone full freefag
After years of pushing against Windows' antics, and then switching to Linux and seeing how easy it makes it to get the dreamed fresh and clean OS, it just was too easy to accept it and push aside anything that had even a hint of what was left behind.
>Pics related
Ah, fuck, there are some really handy options there that PoL doesn't have. Thanks for those pics.
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33f44b No.16924398
>>16924274
>Doesn't really matter much if they are random and optional, unless there's a bias they should still be representative.
Percentage wise, correct; and this is usually what most people cite.
However it's different numbers-wise. Half a million (for example) customers isn't breadcrumbs, even if it's less than 1% of their customer base. That's still a fuckton of money to be made. But again it's more about capturing a market and being on the right end of an emerging trent, securing it for an apple-tier windows nightmare reality, than it is direct revenue right now.
What happens when MC has had enough of making $0 off of PC gamers who just use their system as a gaming cum bucket with no regard to their god awful ecosystem? It goes full cloud faggotry. People think I'm insane when I say this but windows' days as a good or even responsive system for gaming are fucking numbered. Comfy old shit, emulators etc thrive on linux and I'm betting it will be the de-facto setup for non-cloud gaming. When gaming trends hard to cloud it'll be the likes of AMD, Amazon, Nvidia etc who will lead the tech in that, not MC, whom in terms of pure innovation and actual technical advantage, have done dick for the last 5 years and consistently compete and compromise themselves thanks to their XBOX divison, strangling PC gaming advantages (like their new save-state feature, xbox exclusive). Most of their money comes from government and big tech contracts. Office shit. And it's only a matter of time before someone pushes their shit in with some VM/Cloud based competition to their "reset" direction for when their retarded customers borking systems with nesting.
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d1ae08 No.16924763
>>16924398
Cloud gaming will literally never be a thing. The laws of physics straight up prevent it. It's only the retarded dreams of out of touch businessmen who fundamentally don't understand there's a difference between the passive medium of video (TV/Animation) and an active medium.
Additionally, streaming only ever took of because the great faggots of traditional media distribution couldn't do something as fucking simple as PUTTING SHIT ON A CD, AND SELLING IT.
Despite EVERYTHING that leaves optical media Objectively superior to streaming they couldn't help but fuck it up.
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4a0508 No.16931551
>>16903510
>that watermark
good bait
>>16924398
hot pic, thanks for posting so I could find the artist
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f64060 No.16931774
>>16821470
*One of these days, I'll take the year required to actually find a distro that's not shit, find a desktop environment that's not shit, find software alternatives that work on said distro and aren't shit, and learn the myriad of command bullshit needed to actually use it in such a way that it won't be a massive inconvenience on a daily basis.
Forgot the oxford comma in your wordy ass sentence.
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ce7bf3 No.16935916
>trying to run MGS V through proton on steam
>whenever my corsair k70 is plugged in the camera spins and there is no way to stop it and all prompts are for the controller
>plug in old no-frills USB keyboard I have lying around and spinning stops plus prompts go back to keyboard prompts
>unplug the old board and plug back in the new board and spinning still stopped
>restart game and spinning is back
The game is initially viewing my K70 as a controller, but I'm not sure why. Not sure where to start to fix this, but for now I can just plug and unplug my old keyboard before playing.
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