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7f63c4 No.16703827
I started the "genre" with the Iga-vanias first and out of curiosity I decided to try out Super Metroid. A week later I've finished Super Metroid, Fusion and Zero mission and I really like the series. Compared to the Igavanias I feel like a lot of what I felt was missing in Castlevania was fullfilled with Metroid. Samus controls like a dream, the level design is very good, it's a bit challenging and it's more tightly designed, I just really enjoyed that shit. Super Metroid was great all around, but I wish it was a bit more fluid like Fusion. Fusion was fun, but way too linear and I hated the navigation room gimmick. Zero Mission was all around good but I'm not a fan of the Zero Suit to be honest, Samus' other outfit was much more appealing. I also felt it missed something compared to Super Metroid.
A common theme I find in the games is that once you get the space jump I kind of lose interest because the game is pretty much over when it comes to the movement, which is the part I really like the most.
I gave A2MR a quick shot today and so far I'm digging a lot of it, but there are some parts I'm not so keen on
>Samus is VERY fluid
>isn't wearing the zero suit
>secrets rely more on subtle texture changes than just powerbombing everything, at least so far
>more than one secret in the map "block"
>uses all my controller buttons, lots of options when it comes to aiming as well as morph ball options
<so far no sick techno music like Fusion's
<The a bit too lenient with the secrets, like Fusion it marks certain rooms as having secrets even if you haven't revealed the item yet
<the spider ball upgrade isn't something I'm too keen on, it's too slow and it might make vertical climbing too easy
<no walljumping
<A bit on the easy side so far even if I picked Hard mode
But all in all I'm pretty interested. Please tell me AM2R is good because I want to end the 2d games on a big bang, Fusion kind of left me limp especially since it locked me out of 100% items due to storyshit. Super Metroid is excellent but I have no drive to replay it since it's not a smooth stable framerate, and Zero Mission was pretty good but I have no interest in replaying the stealth section either and I feel like it was a slightly inferior super metroid.
What about the Prime games? I don't own a gamecube, but I hear Dolphin is a pretty good toaster friendly emulator. Would mouse controls break the Prime games? Is Other M worth playing at some point or is it an all around avoid? Any fan games, rom hacks or clones(more on the metroid than the -vania side) to consider playing? Talk about the games too.
Why is Samus so hot Jesus Christ I'm about to break no-fap
e7c783 No.16703952
>>16703827
>Super Metroid is excellent but I have no drive to replay it
I didn't really appreciate SM until my 2nd playthrough. There's a lot of design choices you probably missed, or looked over.
>What about the Prime games?
Designed like a Zelda game with a first person Metroid skin. Not bad games, but suffer from terrible 3rd act and ultra-linear backtracking. Mouse controls work with the Wii version, but it's not the type of game to play with mouse, since the aiming isn't very important.
7f63c4 No.16703963
>>16703952
I don't have a wii controller and after Black I have a phobia of playing any other FPS games with a controller.
57be5d No.16703964
>>16703827
>Prime 1 and 2
the prime games are slower than most first person games and 1 and 2 need to be played via gamecube as wii controls break the boss fights.
Only games you should avoid are Other M and Fed force.
a7b5ef No.16703969
>liking fusions soundtrack
7f63c4 No.16703981
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>>16703969
I liked one track, which was the embed.
I honestly thought for a good chunk Fusion has one soundtrack, which is the one for the main hub because a lot of the other tracks just play for like 20 seconds for 10% of any of the maps. I can't remember any of them but the techno beat for the serris fight, because I really enjoyed that fight.
>>16703964
What's Fed Force? The volleyball game?
72d57e No.16703985
>>16703827
AM2R is pretty good. If you enjoyed Super Metroid, Hyper Metroid is a great romhack for it, and is one of the rare romhacks that is hard but fair. The Prime series was pretty good and surprisingly competent at maintaining the Metroid feel in an FPS, although Prime 2 is pretty bad with a shitload of time-wasting backtracking bullshit, and 3 has a lot of wagglan gimmicks but some of them are really fun, like using the grappling beam to rip shields off of enemies' arms before you ventilate them
b5ca53 No.16703994
>>16703963
It's not a FPS, you don't even aim, it's all lock-on and mashing A while strafing. Manual aiming is almost never required
>after Black I have a phobia of playing any other FPS games with a controller
This implies you haven't played TimeSplitters, MGS3, or Killer7
>>16703985
>The Prime series was pretty good
Replay it some time, the artifact hunt is terrible, and the world layout forces laborious backtracking. Replaying Super Metroid is rewarding, while replaying Prime is punishing.
I'll agree it has great atmosphere, music, and core mechanics. It's the design that puts it in low tier for me.
57be5d No.16703997
>>16703981
Basically. it's a very nonsensical game that really feels like it was some e-shop title that happened to have the metroid brand slapped on it.
7f63c4 No.16704001
How come there isn't much fanart of the SA-X and Samus? I'd imagine there would be plenty of fun or lewd material there.
>>16703985
Is there a romhack that speeds up the power bomb? The SNES just can't handle it and I get a bit too impatient with it.
>>16703994
I haven't played Killer 7. I've played Time Splitter and MGS3, it's just Black's the game I've replayed recently.
>MGS3
>Using guns
>>16703997
I see.
57be5d No.16704007
>>16703994
>the artifact hunt is terrible
Not really if you know where they are. it also gives a sense of your improvement as you go through the areas, able to instantly nuke things that were a boss fight.
58c10e No.16704024
>I'm not a fan of the Zero Suit to be honest, Samus' other outfit was much more appealing
Zero suit is the best part of the game dude, what's wrong with it?
Also, how does one properly write a female character? Samus seems like a good start, (silent protagonist, beautiful, blows shit up without thinking twice) but if I wanted to write one that's more in-depth what's the best way to do so without resorting back to the STRONKWOMYN dead horse?
7f63c4 No.16704061
>>16704024
The zero suit is nice but I'd imagine you wouldn't want to jump into a power suit wearing a skintight outfit.
As for your writing, the thing that turns me off with a lot of these characters is that they assume good character means STRONKWOMYN, and STRONKWOMYN means an uppity fuck with tits.
Strength doesn't mean the character shouldn't be feminine in a way. I really like Estelle Bright(Trails in the Sky). She starts off as a brash, headstrong teenager who's nothing more than just muscle(and even then there are much stronger characters in most of the people you meet in the game). The first game she spends following other's plans because her only course of action is to be aggressive, and she gets called and ridiculed for it most of the time. The second game, when her way of things fails completely she goes through an arc where she improves herself and develops as a character. When she matures as a character she's still physically strong, but she's also cute in a girly way, but also caring in a motherly way. You can't look at Estelle and go "if Joshua(the other main character) had the same character arc nothing would change", she's a strong female character who's
>an actual fucking female
>strong, not only physically but has endured and overcome some hardship.
tl;dr: write a tomboy
58c10e No.16704103
>>16704061
>The zero suit is nice but I'd imagine you wouldn't want to jump into a power suit wearing a skintight outfit.
Why not? It's better than being in a powersuit with baggy clothing, The powersuit absorbs most of the blows so you wouldn't feel much, the zero suit conforms to your body and doesn't get stuck on anything or get wadded up. Imagine trying to murder blood-sucking space vampires while your zipper gets caught on your ballsack. No bueno.
Thanks for the character advice, I'm working on a game in the far FAR future and want to write one in somehow, basically what I've got is this
spoilering because this may sound really retarded
[spoiler]>set 200-250 years in the future
>eugenics and genetic editing have advanced tremendously
>girl is born to a high-level military commander
>wanted a boy, is absolutely devastated
>basically attempts to transform his daughter into the ultimate son
>genetic editing on her at a young age, testosterone to the max, etc.
>daughter hates every part of it, wants to impress her father for who she is instead of some genetic experiment
>can't relate to her peers in any way, is ostracized because of her boyish strength and attitude
>enlists in military as a final effort to impress her father[/spoiler]
this won't be the main character but a side character in the overall storyline, probably not going to add a love interest but a very close bond between her and the MC. thoughts? plz no bully
b5ca53 No.16704104
>>16704001
>>Using guns
>not enjoying all the killing
>not torturing every guard by disabling their limbs
>>16704007
But why am I forced to do it? Super Metroid only required 5 bosses to be killed before the final area was unlocked, which also gives you all required upgrades. The artifact hunt is clearly just padding, as those would just be missiles or energy tanks in Super.
>>16704024
>Zero suit is the best part of the game
>how does one properly write a female character?
Zero suit kills Samus's character and turns her into a powerless submissive bimbo. She was never a sex image, but in the zero suit she is. She was never too weak for a challenge, but in the zero suit she is. When Mother Brain nearly kills Samus, she doesn't run and hide, she tries to stand up and fight, even though she's not powerful enough. Taking away tools is a good change of pace, but the way it's done in ZM shows that Samus is only as powerful as her suit (which is a terrible message).
>if I wanted to write one that's more in-depth
Do exactly that. Give some reason for her to fight, like Sarah Connor protecting her son in T2, or Leeloo struggling to understand her purpose in Fifth Element, or even Meryl trying (and failing) to bury her emotional connections to Snake and Campbell in MGS4. None of my examples are 10/10 perfect writing, but they approach the character in a natual and believable way that's relevant to the story. This should be every character, if possible.
58c10e No.16704123
>>16704104
>Taking away tools is a good change of pace, but the way it's done in ZM shows that Samus is only as powerful as her suit (which is a terrible message).
that's not true at all, without the power suit she's equally agile and can grab onto ledges without a powerup. Obviously going against a shitton of an advanced alien species with laser cannons for hands in nothing but a scuba suit isn't going to be very winnable, but it by no means turns her into a weak blubbering mess of a woman like in Other M.
7f63c4 No.16704146
>>16704103
I mean that sounds interesting but what would the game play like?
It sounds like a neat idea, I can see some challenges but I'm no writer so I can't really help you out that much.
>>16704104
>Not being a Garrett-tier ghost who's never seen or even leaves, aside from boss encounters
It's like you don't shit in a ziplock bag and take it home with you.
Also when I was talking shit about the Zero suit I was talking about the aesthetic of it. I'm a faggot who's more a fan of not-bikinis than skintight suits, at least when it comes to Samus. Speaking of MGS, the FROGs do skintight suits a godlike favor.
>>16704123
>a weak blubbering mess of a woman like in Other M.
What does other M do? Knock her up?
58c10e No.16704150
>>16704146
>What does other M do? Knock her up?
I could fill a whole thread with everything they did wrong but I'm too lazy to post it all
quick rundown, samus is turned from stronk independent space warrior who does whatever she wants into a blubbering childish mess who does everything to appease daddy Adam and listens to his every command even if it means being cooked alive, turned into a human popsicle, or getting ripped in half by giant space monster
Does anyone have that fanart of all the different Samuses across the years, with the Other M one crying in a trashcan over Adam?
92f3b8 No.16704153
The first two Prime games are really good. The backtracking is a little linear, but it doesn't stop them from being good. Prime 3 is okay; definitely a step down from the first two, but not bad in and of itself.
>>16703964
What boss fights are broken with the Wii controls? I played through both games both on Wii and GameCube and I don't remember anything being broken.
b5ca53 No.16704196
>>16704123
She's equally agile, but not able to take out a single space pirate, the idiot grunts of the series. Instead of turning into a run-and-hide game, it should've given some options for overcoming the enemy. Instead, you're forced to avoid contact when the whole game you've been facing them head-on.
58c10e No.16704237
>>16704196
>She's equally agile, but not able to take out a single space pirate, the idiot grunts of the series.
They're idiot grunts, but they're still bigger than a normal human (even Samus) and could crush her skull just as easily. Her plasma pistol is the equivalent of trying to use a peashooter to take down a bear. It's not meant for killing, it's meant for staying alive long enough to get away.
3b55eb No.16704268
>>16704237
But why did the devs give her a plasma pistol? This is the same idiotic bullshit as not being able to build weapons in Subnautica, it's a terrible decision made to emsaculate the player, and in this case, portray the MC as weak and powerless. Samus should by all means be able to disarm and kill two space pirates in a room with her bare hands.
58c10e No.16704281
>>16704268
>Samus should by all means be able to disarm and kill two space pirates in a room with her bare hands.
Maybe, but then that would be introducing an entirely new mechanic very late into the game, and one that I'm not certain they'd be able to pull off successfully on the GBA.
Zero suit hack-n-slash when
92f3b8 No.16704303
>>16704268
> Samus should by all means be able to disarm and kill two space pirates in a room with her bare hands
Absolutely not. These space pirates are large, strong armored creatures with giant claws that can take many direct shots from Samus's arm cannon before dying. They leap dozens of feet without trouble, and many of them can shoot deadly beams from their claws, so "disarming" them doesn't work unless you can somehow rip their arms off, and that shit's not happening bare-handed.
Samus is strong (possibly superhuman, due to Chozo shit), but her going hand-to-hand with one of these things without a power suit would be akin to a strong human trying to fist-fight an adult male chimpanzee; you'd get your face eaten and your hands ripped off.
7f63c4 No.16704351
>>16704281
I'd let Samus screw-attack me.
Wouldn't really work, the later Space Pirates are kind of strong.
>>16704343
Is that the SA-X?
28cf25 No.16704359
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58c10e No.16704367
>>16704359
leave my thread
0557b3 No.16704376
Hey, nice, Metroid thread. Was hoping one would come soon-ish.
>>16704150
7969d9 No.16704379
>>16704359
Where the hell did all these Samus' come from? Was it a single person?
58c10e No.16704386
>>16704379
are you underestimating autism again, anon?
0c04db No.16704388
>I just really enjoyed that shit. Super Metroid was great all around, but I wish it was a bit more fluid like Fusion
Never understood claims like this. Super Metroid controls fluidly. Fusion is stiff as shift.
0557b3 No.16704389
>>16704379
Yeah, he has a thread on >>>/vp/ still alive I think
0c04db No.16704391
>>16703985
Hyper Metroid is ass, quit recommending it just because it's new. Try play a real ROMhack like Legacy or Redesign.
57be5d No.16704397
>>16704104
>The artifact hunt is clearly just padding, as those would just be missiles or energy tanks in Super.
Because unlike other metroid games, the prime titles don't go by completion time, they go by item collection percentage. The artifact hunt is a way for you to backtrack through areas you've been to with all the upgrades needed in order to get a 100% item rate.
>>16704146
>what does other M do?
nearly kill the franchise.
0557b3 No.16704401
>>16704397
Good to see the original cap is in circulation too, I fucked up not capping the first one.
58c10e No.16704404
>>16704376
kek, thanks m8
not sure why Zero Mission Samus is speaking alien though
57be5d No.16704408
>>16704153
>Boss fights
Ones such as emperor ing, Omega Pirate, and anything else that requires you to lock onto a specific part of the body of the boss. The fights are situated to make you scan them and determine what to do as you can only target what you lock onto. Wii controls let you free aim WHILE moving and you can trivialize bosses by targeting parts of their body you shouldn't be able to.
57be5d No.16704411
>>16704401
Some savant managed to save it, so I circulate it when I can.
I tried to recreate it, but forgot some details, such as the aspect of gray voice basically BEING the varia suit.
58c10e No.16704416
>>16704397
reading these makes me angry
57be5d No.16704421
>>16704404
>not sure why Zero Mission Samus is speaking alien though
She knows multiple languages and can understand anything from Basic, to Chozo, to Space Pirate, to Ridley's speech.
7f63c4 No.16704432
>>16704397
Hard to believe Team Fucking Ninja of all people would fuck up this hard, but I don't really know much about Nintendo's third party practices.
58c10e No.16704449
>>16704432
it wasn't Team Ninja's fault, it was Sakamoto being a micromanaging bastard who had no idea what the fuck he was doing
7f63c4 No.16704458
>>16704449
I don't even remember who Sakamoto is. Was he the Smash guy?
92f3b8 No.16704460
>>16704397
As a note in the last image's note on Metroid Fusion, the game says:
> Once the X had infested my central nervous system, I lost consciousness and my ship drifted into an asteroid belt.
> The ship's emergency systems automatically ejected the escape pod before impact. Biologic's vessel recovered it and transported me to Galactic Federation HQ.
> However, during the journey, the X multiplied within me, corrupting large areas of my Power Suit.
> It then came to light that the organic components of my Power Suit had become so integrated with my system that it could not be removed while I was unconscious. Large portions of my suit had to be surgically removed, dramatically altering my physical appearance. However, the X in my central nervous system were too embedded to be removed safely. I was given a minimal chance of survival.
I think the implication is that the X corrupted her suit, causing the organic components of her suit to fuse to her body (hence the name of the Game). It's not that the suit simply can't be removed when she's unconscious, it's that while she was unconscious, it came to light that the suit couldn't be removed. The wording is somewhat ambiguous, so you'd have to pull up the Japanese script to be sure.
The rest is accurate.
57be5d No.16704462
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>>16704432
>>16704449
Yeah, wasn't team ninja's fault in the slightest. They had the idea of it being 2d. Sakamoto said "No, 3d." and they were gonna make it basically ninja gaiden: samus is pissed" edition but sakamoto forced it to have all fun stripped away.
>>16704458
this guy.
7f63c4 No.16704464
Oh yeah this reminds me, how's Samus Returns compared to A2MR?
92f3b8 No.16704467
>>16704458
That's Sakurai. Sakamoto is a producer, designer, and director for Nintendo. The fucking stupid thing, is that he was a game designer for Metroid, and the Director of Super Metroid. The fact that he forgot that Samus had a purple suit in a previous game that he fucking directed is insane.
57be5d No.16704475
>>16704460
Samus has been unconscious in other games and her suit doesn't disable. Big case is Prime 3's opening. That said, they did have to chop her suit away and her genetic structure was changed when the vaccine was introduced.
Samus was also gonna be more monstrous in the original Fusion title and her armcannon was going to be forearm mounted, hence her ability to climb ladders and do hand over hand climbing.
92f3b8 No.16704480
>>16704475
>Samus has been unconscious in other games and her suit doesn't disable
Yep, that's what I'm saying. The "while I was unconscious" means "when I was unconscious, this was discovered", rather than "It was discovered that this happens while I'm unconscious".
57be5d No.16704483
>>16704480
Right, I was just trying to say that the whole ice shot to back that knocked her out had no reason to make her suit disable.
7f63c4 No.16704484
>>16704475
So that's why the whole Metroid cell fusion thing felt glossed over. What happened to the original Metroid Fusion? Why was it scrapped?
58c10e No.16704485
>>16704464
I bought Samus Returns last year and haven't even finished it, I have no motivation to do so
>control scheme is ass-backwards, factor in the 3DS not being made for normal-sized hands and it gets very uncomfortable
>counter mechanic gets very repetitive very quickly, makes common enemies an extreme chore trying to kill. it's usually quicker to just run past them and take the hits
>killing the metroids is incredibly difficult because of the above reasons, by the time you figure out the timing on counters you're dead
>one boss can instantly kill you if it pins you against the wall, cardinal sin for metroid
>also does automatic saves right outside the boss room, another cardinal sin
>you fight Ridley at the end even though this makes no canonical sense
AM2R was really good when I played the demo several years ago, but both versions have common issues
>spiderball is extremely slow and tedious
>metroid hitboxes are a pain in the dick
>different world structure/layout from traditional metroid games, finding the metroids is a massive chore
I'd still play AM2R over SR any day because of how much similar it is to Zero Mission.
7f63c4 No.16704492
>>16704485
So I'm not at fault for not liking the Spiderball off the bat? Damn.
0557b3 No.16704497
Some music, and like I did in >>16704376 I can provide anyone with shit they might be looking for, I've got quite the archive by now.
57be5d No.16704512
>>16704484
I think it was another Sakamoto aspect where he didn't want it to go too far away from the classic samus stuff.
Honestly ,Samus merging with Metroid DNA and gaining new powers depending on where she goes would be an incredible idea; evolving and adapting Samus depending on what she needs for any specific game. I honestly felt monster samus would have been a more interesting idea; where the GF were growing fearful that SAMUS was becoming too dangerous.
>>16704485
>>16704464
Both have their points and more purists would argue AM2R is better.
I personally enjoyed Samus Returns a bit more, mainly due to the fact that most games, the local fauna just isn't a threat in any manner, however this planet has METROIDS on it, so anything living here has to be dangerous as fuck to survive them. The Counter mechanic is also somewhat storyline effective as it shows Samus waits for her opponent to do something stupid, then take advantage of it. Metroid fights can be super simplified by hitting their exposed core with a charged ice beam. This pisses them off, but slows them down and they will race towards you and perform a counterable attack, allowing you to hit them with many lethal strikes in a row. That said, the controls do take some getting used to. The game also has a unique punishment for shitty players; while there are hidden checkpoints before boss rooms, THE IN GAME TIMER IS NOT RESET. This means if you die, if you're going for speed, you're better off reloading your last save point.
Part of the reason I bring up the counter mechanic is because they use it as a way to explain why Samus didn't shoot the infant; she charges up her ice beam and waits for it to bum rush her… and she waits… and she waits… and it never does, it just floats harmlessly around her and follows her. So she disables her attack and just lets it follow her since, on this planet full of things trying to kill her, she came across something… "innocent".
0557b3 No.16704513
Ooh some backgrounds some I edited for some anon last thread
92f3b8 No.16704522
>>16704483
Fair point.
I've actually been curious about playing Other M. I've never played it, and I almost can't believe how shit that it sounds. I feel like I have to experience it for myself to really properly complain about it.
dfdf67 No.16704530
>>16704512
>Her armor is effectively a metal bikini and stockings
How have I not realized this until now?
d52c4b No.16704537
>>16704497
>Hyper Metroid
>new
It's been out since, what, 2015? Instead of just saying "nah this is gay" why don't you go into detail why it's bad?
0557b3 No.16704544
It was my monthly Metroid Database scroll and look here at what they retweeted, and those fucking comments man. God damn, I am mad.
>>16704537
Wrong post you replied to?
7969d9 No.16704545
>never was interested in any Metroidvania games
>happen to have downloaded AM2R from when it was released
>try it out, it's an absolute blast
Man, I can't believe I went so long without this. I'm going to hold off on it for now and start Super Metroid as I happen to also have that, but are any of the other Metroid games worth playing? Should I bother with Zero Mission and Fusion at all? Should I segue into something like La-Mulana afterwards?
0557b3 No.16704549
>>16704545
Definitely. ZM is really good, Fusion is less but still OK. I really like the whole series, so unbiased as I am I am gonna tell you to at least give Return of Samus a shot. The more I play it, the more I like it.
57be5d No.16704550
>>16704522
While playing it, you'll start to understand how there is something like a good game hidden underneath layers of total bullshit. Like, some tough foes have a tell when they are vulnerable and samus can suddenly tackle them and instantly kill them. These kills were clearly going to be much more violent, but all blood was changed to green at the last moment. The reason you can tell is with a sub boss creature, you normally shoot it's body and then you have to kill the slug creature that's left. if you know the tell when it's vulnerable, samus jumps on it and this horrifyingly grotesque sound file plays where samus rips the slug out with her bare hands. It's super satisfying pulling these off and many of the parts where you're doing with 3rd dimension puzzles are at times enjoyable. It's just that these are so small and stuffed inbetween BULLSHIT.
>>16704530
who knows? I've also somewhat grown to accept the "heels" in her suit, if only because it's due to the fact that her bones are not normal and her feet are partly digitigrade, so her heels don't touch the ground, thus she wears high heels to appear "normal"
d52c4b No.16704555
>>16704544
My bad, meant to reply to >>16704391
dfdf67 No.16704566
>>16704544
>All the faggots reeing over samus being attractive
Those tasteless plebians don't realize how good that armor is. It's clearly thick, has a nice machine element to it, while still showing off her feminine figure in a creative way with how the layers stack. On top of that the lighting just looks good overall. I don't know if this is a particular game coming out or what, but I want whatever bit of media that suit render is in because it's a 10/10.
>>16704550
Don't get me wrong I love it. I really enjoy that sort of thing and the heels are a dumb point to get mad over since she can turn into a ball that shits bombs. Gonna need a source on that foot thing, though.
Anyways I need to collect pictures of armored samus for reasons*
*Masturbatory reasons
58c10e No.16704568
>>16704545
Zero Mission and Fusion are both great games. Fusion is much more linear but it doesn't take away from the rest of the game at all. You can also freeroam at the end of both games fully powered up which is always nice. The music in both is also fantastic, I'm always playing Fusion's soundtrack in my head every single day.
7f63c4 No.16704570
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16704544
I can't tell if these are pathetic betas signaling or "crush a watermelon with headscissors" fetishists.
When was Samus depicted as a beefcake musclegirl? The most you'd get out of the ending screens is that she's physically fit at least for the games I've played
>>16704545
>La Mulana
It's not the same but it's very much worth playing. It makes you feel like an actual archeologist with really cool if somewhat bullshit at time puzzles and whatnot.
Grab a pen and paper and write down everything on those tablets, as well as anything that seems remotely interesting for later use.
I liked both Zero Mission and Fusion, although I can see why anyone would dislike Fusion for being too linear.
0557b3 No.16704576
>>16704566
Link for people who want to check out the model:
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/0XO3XG
I love how angry they get over Samus being attractive. In this model as well, Samus is Samus, no "additional butchness" or "hyperfeminity". She is a good character, and her entire design still encompasses this. They cannot comprehend how an attractive woman can be such a good and strong person, without the Mary-Sue to back her up.
58c10e No.16704583
>>16704576
not a fan of the face though, it's hard for me to like any fanart/recreation of Samus if the face is wrong
57be5d No.16704591
>>16704566
>Gonna need a source on that foot thing, though.
Just that the chozo seem to have digitigrate legs and that there had to be more than just her strength and agility that she got when her genetics were re-written at age 4.
0557b3 No.16704593
>>16704583
She looks a little like Bridgitte from Overwatch. Indeed, face is a little funky but I like the armor, apart from the stilettos.
58c10e No.16704599
>>16704593
doesn't look too different from her standard armor though
unless I'm blind
dfdf67 No.16704607
>>16704576
Thanks m8. That they include a turnable display where you can zoom in and check stuff out is super appreciated.
>>16704591
Yeah fair enough. Like she's a hybrid.
Since they're bird-like would that make Samus a space harpy?
7969d9 No.16704610
>>16704576
I don't know, I'm getting some Bomberman Act Zero vibes here. I know that Samus was already overdesigned, but it just seems like more unnecessary additions and people are right about the heels looking a little ridiculous. It might be the armor, but her waist also looks too thin. Nice ass, though.
>>16704549
How does Return of Samus differ from AM2R and Samus Returns?
57be5d No.16704618
>>16704607
>Would that make her a
I see no reason to oppose that title. Honestly, I feel that her mole is a pinfeather she keeps pulling and it scars over.
Honestly, I've seen a few shots of her having just a beak put on her face instead of a human nose and mouth and it's astounding how bird-like she looks.
e5a6cd No.16704619
>>16704610
What’s with the evangelion knees?
57be5d No.16704635
>>16704610
>How does Return of Samus differ from AM2R and Samus Returns?
Return of samus is a hell of a lot easier to get back into than metroid 1. That said, Metroid 2 is the first linear game in the series. it has you go into an area, you can do whatever you want but you can't progress until all metroids are dead, then you go deeper into the planet. That said, it addresses many of the problems metroid 1 had
>can shoot down while jumping
>can crouch to hit low foes
>proper save function
>can always return to your ship to fully restore missiles and health if you want to sacrifice time
>areas are more distinct from one another so it's not as easy to get lost
My personal record for it is getting 101% while getting a time of 1:59, thus getting the best ending.
58c10e No.16704657
>>16704610
ok this armor is just dumb, it's not sexist or demeaning it's just dumb
>no ass armor
there's armor everywhere else on the body, why isn't it there as well?
>high heels
because outrunning murderous space creatures is not a high priority
76b6e9 No.16704670
>>16704610
IMO that looks pretty cool, definitely one of my favourites in the sea of "here look a my Samus redesign art"
92f3b8 No.16704676
>>16704610
Why would Samus need a sight on her arm cannon? Isn't that part of the purpose of the visor?
0557b3 No.16704683
>>16704610
RoS is pretty rough, I am not going to lie. The games differ hugely from each other, with probably the most important aspect being the capture of isolation, loneliness and massacre. RoS and AM2R have captured this pretty well, whereas SR did this a little worse. I could go on pretty long about the differences, but there quite a lot and some more minute than others.
5e2cc2 No.16704684
>>16704610
Looks really shitty and makes her look like a fat whore, I can't place quite why that is.
dfdf67 No.16704687
92f3b8 No.16704691
>>16704684
Fat? With that waist? She's just got round cheeks and massive hips.
1105bb No.16704703
>>16704610
The problem with the armor here is it's over designed. Samus's armor is much more streamlined like a fighter jet.
6422eb No.16704843
>>16704544
At least Mdb is still koolaid-free.
a124b7 No.16704848
>>16703827
>complaining about the zero suit
Go back to Resetra faggot.
a124b7 No.16704859
>>16704104
>she has never had a sex image.
>>>/neofag/
200c30 No.16704862
>>16704104
>Zero suit kills Samus's character and turns her into a powerless submissive bimbo
The disease of homosexuality sure is frightening if it makes you think that's a bad thing.
b0ceec No.16704865
>>16704859
>>16704848
There are people in this world who actually believe that the shitty Super Metroid comic in Nintendo Power is actually canon, and therefore Samus should be 6'8" and look like some kind of gorilla tranny.
0557b3 No.16704867
>>16704843
I wish. Only some of the people behind the site and the account are.
cda6a8 No.16704870
>>16704848
>Being so brain dead retarded, you end up looking like a bot shitpost
Fucking idiot, look at this.
>>16704061
>"The zero suit is nice but I'd imagine you wouldn't want to jump into a power suit wearing a skintight outfit."
>Posts Samus in an even more revealing outfit
7f63c4 No.16704891
A2MR is pretty fucking fun. I'm glad I stuck through my apprehensions with the spiderball.
>>16704870
Hey if you're gonna sweat why not sweat in your undies.
>>16704867
Oh god.
dfdf67 No.16704899
>>16704867
>arm canon
>melee weapon
>Broccoli head
If it weren't for my crippling weakness for thick thighs I'd say this was 100% shit.
e2cc16 No.16705026
>>16704899
Careful, Anon. That kind of thinking can lead you down a dangerous path.
201098 No.16705131
>>16704657
The appeal of a good Metroid game is kind of like the appeal of Stalker. You're alone in a remote and dangerous place. You're a tough no nonsense survivalist with a mission to do.
It's not so much that sexualising characters is bad, it's that giving the suit something like high heels subtly changes the feel of the game you're playing. Suddenly you're Bayonetta in space. To use the Stalker example again, it's like changing the Stalker player character to Duke Nukem, It doesn't really work.
1c7866 No.16705154
>>16703963
There's a hack of Dolphin that makes Prime Trilogy control like a proper kb/m FPS. And it is simultaneously glorious and makes you feel like a little bit of a casual
I too don't much care for FPS with a controller, and Prime's camera is a finicky bitch (have to hold R to look up and down? Fuck that, too hard to time jumps)
c1d479 No.16705169
initally, samus returns 3ds was a sign of hope for 2D metroid to return, but those hopes are dashed because Nintendo is who they are, and i think we should have seen something about it alredy
ef5dd6 No.16705429
>>16705131
This is a big part of why I enjoyed Super Metroid so much. That first ten or fifteen minutes of Zebes, where it's pouring rain, the music is just droning and sinister bass and everything is just a little too quiet still feels spooky to this day.
35c238 No.16705721
>>16703985
>Prime 2 is pretty bad
Wrong, it's the most Metroid of the entire trilogy and better then 1 and 3.
also
>complaining about backtracking in a Metroid game
>>16704104
>Zero suit kills Samus's character and turns her into a powerless
I don't agree with Samus being powerless. She could still perform impressive feats, jump high and fight off Space pirates despite having no armor and only a pistol. Also if I remember correctly you could survive multiple blasts from the space pirates despite having no armor whatsoever. And her being depowered is kind of the point, so that she could get overpowered once she got her suit back.
>… submissive bimbo.
Samus was always a bimbo. Her look in Metroid I, II & Super affirmed this. Super Metroid Samus is literally based on a real model/actress who was known for her big breasts at the time.
>She was never a sex image
Every other game proves you wrong. It was never subtle that Samus was an attractive woman and that your literal reward for time completion was her to undress, especially Metroid I. If anything the Zero suit made the endings far less lewd to the imagination and sterile since she's now forever completely covered.
>>16704544
>beef cake
Why do they keep projecting their shit fetishses? The only game Samus had any muscle was Super Metroid and Zero Mission concept art and not even by much at all, and in ZM it never manifested at all in the actual game. Not even Smash Ultimate is what anyone would call a "beef cake" and Smash Ultimate is non-canon anyway. Samus never had real proportions (if she did she wouldn't be that tall and how short Other M made her would be the correct one) and she's a fictional character.
Also Samus being incredibly tall was mentioned once in a manual and never showed up again in any of the games since most Metroid games have no means to compare as there are never that many humans for her to interact with, only giant alien monsters. The Metroid series has had a ton of retcons, especially what was once said in many of the manuals.
e3b173 No.16705750
>>16705721
>Prime 2
>most Metroid of the entire trilogy
Metroid is about several interconnected areas, not a central hub area with the other areas coming off it like spokes on a wheel. Prime 2 also features much more arbitrary key hunting than 1. Honestly, I'm not sure where the hell you're getting this claim from. Nothing about Prime 2 is is particularly more "Metroid" than Prime 1. It even has cutscenes with dialogue, something most people see as decidedly un-Metroid.
25846d No.16705828
FEATHER PUBES
i played zero mission a week ago and i dropped it right after getting the varia suit upgrade because i don't know where to go next, the only possible path requires bomb jumping and i'm terrible at it, i'll give it another try tonight because i've jerked off countless times to paizuri art of samus and i feel like i owe her
5e2cc2 No.16705837
>>16704687
On closer look I think it might be her face plus her legs.
45b977 No.16705858
>>16705828
Don't bomb jump on your first run that's for sequence breaking
45b977 No.16705877
>>16705828
Also share the art
731d53 No.16705893
>>16705828
How do you get stuck in ZM to the level where it causes you to drop the game? They signpost exactly the path you have to go to finish the game, it's just a matter of trial and error for searching which block hides the entrance. I can't navigate my way out of a paper bag and I finished the entire game without so much as a map guide.
6422eb No.16706094
Any news about Prime 4 at all?
>>16705828
>dropped zero mission because he couldn't follow in-game directions
no wonder you like shit memes
ff62a2 No.16706469
I'm currently playing Zero mission after having finished Fusion. It's a great improvement.
Why is wall jumping in metroid particularly so satisfying to perform? It just feels so great to pull off compared to like X where you can just mash the jump button
45b977 No.16706661
>>16706469
It involves technique that is tricky to perform.
58c10e No.16706769
ff62a2 No.16706895
>>16706837
Why is Ridley a big guy no baneposting intended in the universe?
58c10e No.16706904
>>16706895
>murdered Samus' parents in front of her
>murdered Gray Voice
>leader of the space pirates (until Mother Brain came in)
>basically just all around dick who likes to fuck with Samus
92f3b8 No.16706928
>>16706895
He's a high ranking officer of the space pirates, along with Kraid. Particularly, Ridley has been responsible for coordinating raids and other strategic strikes and massacres, so he generated a reputation as a symbol of death and destruction. Ridley is also supposed to be quite intelligent, as opposed to Kraid's raw strength.
35fc91 No.16706934
>>16706837
You now notice samus's right foot has the bigtoe on the wrong side.
f1456c No.16706956
>>16706934
>doesn't know that the Chozo phenotype includes two left feet
673577 No.16706979
>>16706977
Wrong hand, though.
729a4b No.16707211
>>16706977
>>16706996
If she jacked you off with that limb, would it be a handjob or a footjob?
e56c44 No.16707283
>>16706996
Fuck you so much
28cf25 No.16707371
File: b791be7ecfd5e55⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 4.34 MB, 2406x1676, 1203:838, zero_suit_appreciation___n….png)
>>16705828
>samus paizuri
buttjobs would be even better, but it's pretty rare
28cf25 No.16707379
didn't mean to have spoilers on, but nevermind
b653d1 No.16707498
>>16706904
He's a hyper evolved Space Pirate which from his species makes him a great leader due to his cunning and intelligent nature the others lack since they tend to built good technology yet they lack the knowledge on how to properly use it properly as it tends to lead from them killing themselves due to their own stupidity. He enjoys killing and toying with Samus emotions as he has zero empathy towards all living life forms so he knows when a Metroid is found he knows he get's a 2 for 1 deal of not only creating an army of nearly indestructible bio weapons but mess with Samus also.
ff62a2 No.16707513
Is it possible to get yourself stuck in Zero Mission? I think I fought ridley too early since I'm not sure I can get out back out into norfair again, without the speed boost.
0557b3 No.16707531
>>16707513
Nope. Unless you cheat, you can never get stuck. What items do you have?
ff62a2 No.16707554
>>16707531
Turned out I didn't missile everything. Icebeam, charge beam, bomb, super missile, missile and I think that's it. Two unknown items too.
58c10e No.16707557
>>16707513
when you get to the room it looks like you have to speedrun through, there's a hidden pathway up top you can take. then go to the far right chasm and work your way up. when it looks like there's a chozo block above you separated by a ceiling, there's an invisible wall on the left you can walk/shoot through. should be straightforward from there.
0e86a5 No.16707594
>>16707371
>>16707379
2 different sources and both times the audio is out of sync, but I think it gets the point across
b6494b No.16707823
Post best Super Metroid times faggots.
>>16705828
Bomb jumping is sequence break bullshit, I use it to get the Varia after getting bombs. Dude if you just got Varia then it means you probably already beat Kraid, got the Speed Booster, got the High Jump boots but haven't gotten super missiles yet. What the hell do you think is next? Go deeper into Norfair since you can now resist extreme heat, pick up the wave beam. I'd tell you how to get the screw attack early but I'd assume you'd just get frustrated trying to attempt it. If anything, here's a hint, it involves the speed booster.
88319b No.16708793
God the speedbooster/shinespark is one of the most satisfying mobility tools in any game.
How they hell do they even think of this stuff?
0557b3 No.16708902
>>16707823
2:28 for 100%. Don't have a screenshot, was played on the SFC.
>>16708793
Having good and creative designers on your team that love video games.
e2f7da No.16708950
I hate sakurai's glow in the dark stilettos and glow in the dark bracelets in the zero suits design. boots fits best with her.
5cba70 No.16709346
>>16704421
Source on Ridley not speaking space pirate?
5cba70 No.16709364
>metroidvania games
>metroid is a metroidvania
9e1823 No.16709461
>>16704460
>dramatically altering my physical appearance.
Why does she look fine at the end of the game then?
58c10e No.16709465
>>16709461
we only see her face anon. her actual body permanently merged with her power suit.
355ac6 No.16709476
>>16703981
Such a great game. I need to replay it now. Thanks for reminding me faggot.
5cba70 No.16709491
>>16704610
It's too thin on waist and knees. Look more like she's a robot than a woman in a suit. Also what's up with that new face?
e3b173 No.16709499
>>16709465
The death animation disagrees with you.
e3b173 No.16709507
>>16708793
They read Getter Robo G and say "Man, that move was pretty cool."
5cba70 No.16709518
>>16709499
Zero mission is a remake of metroid 1.
Barring that, that whole fusion thing always bothered me, the intro makes it sound really inconvenient, a grave accident leaving irreversible after-effect. But then everything is just fine, it only gives samus benefits. The downsides are never elaborated upon, except for her weakness to cold with the SA-X freeze missiles, but even that gets fixed during the game.
That whole fusion with armor thing sounds like it was just a throw away line they put into the intro because it sounded "cool" without ever giving it more thought.
e3b173 No.16709531
>>16709518
I was referring to Fusion's animation, the top one. The Zero Mission one just happened to be on the same pic.
3d19fe No.16709558
>>16709518
>Barring that, that whole fusion thing always bothered me, the intro makes it sound really inconvenient, a grave accident leaving irreversible after-effect. But then everything is just fine, it only gives samus benefits. The downsides are never elaborated upon, except for her weakness to cold with the SA-X freeze missiles, but even that gets fixed during the game.
>
>That whole fusion with armor thing sounds like it was just a throw away line they put into the intro because it sounded "cool" without ever giving it more thought.
I used to think that too but looking at this post >>16704475 the case might be that Fusion was originally a much more different game with Samus getting mutations instead of suit abilities back, I don't know why they scrapped that idea because it seemed pretty neat and a much better alternative than 5 minutes of "avoid the blue goo".
57be5d No.16709577
>>16709346
It's just that the space pirates make a funky series of grunting roars while Ridley shrieks. Somehow Samus can tell the difference between the two.
57be5d No.16709688
>>16709558
I agree. If I had sayso over the next Metroid game, I'd use it.
>Metroid was the Chozo word for Ultimate Warrior
>Samus has always been a one person army and now, with Metroid genetics in her, she's even more powerful
>She is now "metroid"
>Because she directly disobeyed the GF and destroyed the BLS AND has a rogue AI as a companion that knows GF secrets, the GF now has a bounty on her
>Samus now goes to other planets as she tries to figure out how to prove the X was going to wipe out the galaxy if the drastic measures weren't taken
>She goes to different planets and places and due to the different environments, she adapts in different ways
>this would also give her a reason to lose her powers as when she's no longer in the environment, she no longer has need of the ability, allowing her to "reset" to her basic loadout
f0c59e No.16709841
>>16703827
Playing Super Metroid at the moment, my first Metroid game. I really like the concept of the game and the control scheme, but the controls seem a little laggy sometimes, could be more responsive, faster. Is this because of emulation or am I just spoiled by modern games?
58c10e No.16709845
>>16709841
definitely emulation, I've played it on an emulator and the Wii VC plenty of times and never had any input lag
check your settings
5cba70 No.16709846
>>16709841
It should be responsive. As far as I remember, only wall jumping has a slight delay.
b6494b No.16709848
>>16708902
Pretty nice anon, I forgot to mention mine was 49%. Any special tricks you used? I did mockball for early supers and the green shutter trick for screw without fighting torizo.
>>16709688
I'm not convinced by the "adaptability" thing based on the powerups, feels too much like Other M and we all know what a shitshow that ended up being with the powerups situation. I'm at a loss on how an exploration based powerup hunt would work in a post-Fusion game.
>>16709841
Nah, Super Metroid feels floaty at times compared to Fusion and Zero Mission/AM2R. The fun part about it is that thanks to the dash button, there's physics for your in air speed, as it isn't fixed like Fusion and ZM. There's a sense of fun and fulfillment walljumping around trying to play as fast as possible. If you mean input lag as in jumps and shots and other inputs coming out like half a or a quarter second late then it's definitely an emulation problem.
0c04db No.16709914
>>16707823
Not my best but an old image in my folder.
cb8ffc No.16710024
This is a cozy thread and I love all of you faggots.
6422eb No.16710042
>>16710024
the feeling is mutual, homo
8b3ad6 No.16710102
>>16704281
>Zero suit hack-n-slash when
Never because Sakamoto Lucas'd his own creation and didn't let Team Ninja make her into Ryu Hayabusha when in Zero Suit.
>>16704566
You can just say that Tatsunoko was great at designing armours and Ninty had excellent taste for copying Tekkaman to create Samus' iconic armour, dubs anon.
>>16704570
They are the kind of shitheads that think fit, tall girls with a firm stomach = AMAZONIAN SHEHULK and fap to that not realising the difference.
>>16704610
This looks like somebody saw Infini-T Force and thought that simply overdesigning a basic, old and classic suit is what makes it modern and great without realizing what makes the upgrade good in the first place.
>>16704859
Shhh anon, there are people out there who don't now about 80s Kim Bassinger.
>>16704867
Did they just put a black shortstack in a mash-up of Iron Man armour with the Varia Suit?
>>16709813
Better than fine, I think she got some "upgrades" thanks to the Metroid DNA making her even more "ultimate".
55681d No.16710123
>Finished Zero Mission in 2:10
>Didn't even visit mardia or get the screw attack because I thought there would be a third act after fucking up the pirates
Huh.
Fun game though, I might want to replay Super or Zero Mission again for faster times but I'm probably going to give A2MR a shot now.
Does it have the more floatier, free form physics of Super or the later more rigid ones of the GBA games?
58c10e No.16710128
>>16710123
>zero mission
>maridia
55681d No.16710130
>>16710128
I played Super first so I figure the place to the right with the water caves and whatnot is maridia, I just didn't go past the first screen because I wanted the gravity suit.
It even has the missile secret hidden underwater like Super.
55681d No.16710138
>>16710131
>Speedrun
First playthroughs are speedruns now?
It was a pretty neat game though. I really enjoyed it quite a lot compared to Fusion.
465330 No.16710161
>>16709518
For what it's worth, Sakamoto mentioned that when Samus absorbed the SAX her biology went back to normal and that's why she looks fine by the end.
5cba70 No.16710192
>>16704281
>Zero suit hack-n-slash
I don't think you mean what this actually means. Don't be as retarded as a redditard.
5cba70 No.16710198
>>16710161
So I was right, they didn't think this through.
0557b3 No.16710225
>>16709848
Yeah, I mentioned them last thread too. Hi-jump skip, wave skip, grapple skip, early wrecked ship. I am pretty good at tricky shinesparks but I haven't mastered the mochball yet.
>>16710024
GAY
I fucking love these threads
465330 No.16710236
Metroid Battle Royale using AM2R mechanics, yes or no
55681d No.16710254
>>16710236
How would that even work?
5cba70 No.16710265
>>16710236
Nintendo says no. Unless they get to do it themselves and it sells like shit. They love disappointing fans.
6422eb No.16710274
I'm tempted to buy this controller and replay AM2R
Last time I played it was with this tiny 6-face button monstrosity Sabrent Twelve-Button USB 2.0 Game Controller For PC
465330 No.16710276
>>16710265
can't sue me if I never reveal my identity.
>>16710254
Big map, compact, divided into different areas, like SM or Fusion but with more connections between areas, a dozen or so players are dumped, they've got to collect upgrades while each area is slowly flooded with Magma/Acid until only one remains.
>>16710274
both look playable, try playing with this bad boy instead.
fa10dc No.16710278
DOES ANYONE HAVE that video titled "spike spawn" that one anon was working on as a romhack? He took it off jewtube and I can't find it. I like to watch it its very good
6422eb No.16710279
0557b3 No.16710284
>>16710236
Although I hate the BR meme, I think it could work by using >>16710276 's mechanics, and sneak in things like bomb damage, shinesparking does major damage, colliding SSs make both players freeze and become vulnerable for a sec, freeze slows etc etc. I like the concept, it could work well as a Mario Royale 2.0.
b6494b No.16710332
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16710278
Was it some kind of SM hack that tries to recreate Fusion? I vaguely remember this account having a video with that name.
58c10e No.16710339
>>16710236
I'm working on a Metroidvania in the distant future and this was one of my ideas
Not necessarily a BR, but a deathmatch using 2D metroid mechanics for sure.
5cba70 No.16710354
>>16710339
>Metroidvania
shit meme
212c22 No.16710573
>>16704391
Like >>16704537 says you could at least provide some argument as to why on your opinion "Hyper Metroid sucks ass", as it's one of my favorite Metroid games.
>Revamped physics (uses the ones from Project Base), which include overall faster movement, more moves, easier and more versatile shinesparking, easier spacejumping, bombjumping and walljumping.
>Excellent graphics, from Samus's suit to the environments which vary a lot from the original game
>Great interconnected map without tedious backtracking and some freedom on when to fight certain bosses like Golden Torizo.
>Great ammo system that makes each missile upgrade useful
>Being able to combine Spazer and Plasma beams
>Harder than the base game but not ridiculously hard
>New progression system, requiring you to open various gates through the map in order to open the way to Tourian (instead of just killing the main bosses)
>Long, intense and fucking nerve wrecking escape sequence.
<Cringe worthy and fanfiction-tier story, that at least has some nice custom graphics (but seriosuly, caring about story on a fucking non-RPG romhack?)
Redesign is also quite good, though.
e3b173 No.16710670
>>16710573
Honestly, his post reads like "Hyper Metroid is new and thus sucks, only these popular old hacks are the real romhacks."
0dfbe1 No.16710744
>>16704610
>feminists complaining about the heels
>not the overwatch tier over designed armor ridges that make her look like shitty mech
>arm canon has a sight when her helmet has aim correction built in
>arm canon looks like a pump action shot gun even though samus holds the top of her canon commonly, so it would make more sense to put a grip on the top
>prongs coming off the front like it's always in super missile mode
>changing the sleek design of a sexy suit of armor and making it look like the silver knight's armor from dark souls
this is utter trash, people being outraged for nothing leads to problems with people calling out actual problems with a design.
ee95c6 No.16710792
>>16710332
Yes! Same account. He took down the spore/spike fight. It was a webm in here awhile ago before it went to jew tube.
0c04db No.16710950
>>16710826
>all the horrible sound effects, lame graphic style, and many of the control and mechanical downgrades restored
You'd think someone attempting to recreate Fusion in the Super engine would be doing it to remove all the cancer that bogged Fusion down.
ea04f1 No.16710962
>>16710950
Whatever, loser! That boss looked really FUN. I hope he completes his project.
0c04db No.16711020
>>16710962
The boss actually does look fun (a bit too much health though). It's a pity it's wasted on trying to be like Fusion.
6297b2 No.16711022
212c22 No.16711089
>>16711022
Anon, the video he was responding to was actually footage from Metroid X Fusion.
b6494b No.16711366
>>16710950
>Let's recreate Metroid Fusion
>But it shouldn't sound or look like Metroid Fusion
This some kinda bait?
0c04db No.16711389
>>16711366
>let's recreate Metroid Fusion… as the same cancerous pile of shit it was the first time around
b6494b No.16711487
>>16711389
Dude, it's literally Fusion 2.0: Electric Boogaloo. Having the sounds and the sprite style is part of what makes it Fusion, it's supposed to feel authentic you faggot, which is the whole goal of the romhack. And even then it only borrows some physics and movement, you can still single wall jump and mockball, and I'm sure sequence breaking will be taken into account considering most of what makes Super Metroid interesting with it's fans is that. I've got no fucking clue why you would expect pure Super Metroid on a Fusion ROMhack that's explicitly trying to ape the original game.
e3b173 No.16711516
>>16710950
Dude, reading over your posts again, it's pretty clear that all you want Metroid romhacks, and probably Metroid games in general, to be are Super Metroid rehashes. You don't like physics that differentiate from it. You don't like graphics that differentiate from it. You don't like sounds that differentiate from it. You shit on romhacks that dare to do anything new and different from the original, and praise those that are just the same game with different map and room layouts. And, if that's all you like, that's fine, but don't act like your desire is some objective measurement of quality for Metroid-related games.
f391b4 No.16711524
>>16711389
As someone who has only played Metroid:Prime, what's wrong with Fusion? I see it get shat on constantly, but I don't have experience with it or other metroids to know why.
e3b173 No.16711532
>>16711524
It starts out with an absolutely terrible first impression that only slowly gets better as it goes on. You go down a hallway, get forced into a conversation with your AI CO where you're told exactly where to go next, and this repeats a couple times very rapidly. When you are finally given relief from the constant stopping to talk with Adam, you aren't given much freedom to explore. While the game starts opening up over time, it takes a while, and there is still a much heavier emphasis on story compared to the rest of the Metroid series, barring Other M. There's definitely good in there, but you have to go through a bunch of bullshit to get to it.
0c04db No.16711571
>>16711516
Now you're projecting your own insecurities onto my tastes. I claimed Redesign is a good hack, did I not? That's not simply a level hack like Legacy and Limit, it changes a fair number of the core physics. Some for the worse, changing things that were better the first time around. For example, gimping the physics to ape the weightiness of a lead object found in Fusion/Zero Mission, making infinite bomb jumping ridiculously difficult, or making the morph ball roll to a snails's pace outside mockballing. There are some changes to mechanics I absolutely love, however. Making the screw attack fly at turbo speed was a brilliant additions and official Metroid games should really pick that up. Fundamentally rebalancing missile balance so that both missiles and super missiles see regular use is also how Super Metroid should have been from the beginning. The charge shot was just too powerful and destroyed a good mechanic featured in the original Metroid and Metroid II.
So no, you're mistaken that I think Super Metroid was some infallible perfect game and everything should be exactly like it. It did get a lot right however and it's very perplexing seeing this new generation of ROMhackers who likely started with the GBA games trying to stick all their horrible downgrades onto Super Metroid. Why not just make a ROMhack of one of the actual GBA games if you're going to discard the framework of Super Metroid as your base?
92fbe8 No.16711612
Why don't the Space Pirates clone Samus? They regularly encounter stuff that only functions for Chozo DNA, are clearly capable of cloning, and clearly willing to risk it backfiring.
e3b173 No.16711630
>>16711612
>are clearly capable of cloning
When have they ever cloned anything that wasn't a metroid? Metroids, themselves, are only cloned because they go through mitosis when exposed to certain forms of radiation.
0c04db No.16711636
>>16711605
Quality argument.
58ebc8 No.16711779
So Hyper Metroid and X-Fusion. What other romhacks are worth trying?
What's a good metroid clone too? Someone recommended ESA at some point but looking at it, it literally looks like that image of "What indie devs thought super metroid looks like vs What Super Metroid actually looks like", I can't really stand that level of visual incompetence.
>>16711623
If it were Father Brain maybe it would be actually intelligent :^)
0c04db No.16711816
>>16711779
Limit
Legacy
Redesign
Z-Factor (I liked what I saw but never finished this one, mileage may vary)
Ice Metal is worth trying simply because it's so peculiar, though I would hesitate to call it good.
5cba70 No.16712041
>>16711524
It's a great game, except way too linear for a metroid game.
All the things the other faggot complained about are technical limitations of the gameboy advance.
5cba70 No.16712048
>>16711630
If I am not mistaken, Omega pirates were clones in Prime. Also meta Ridley is a clone of Ridley.
But that's just Prime (it's also the only game with tons of fluff so it makes sense).
e3b173 No.16712093
>>16712048
Elite Pirates were just pirates that were given special Phazon treatments. Meta-Ridley was them taking the beaten, broken, but still alive Ridley from the first game and turning him into a cyborg.
e3b173 No.16712096
>>16712093
Correction: he wasn't still living. He was brought back to life with the cyborg parts.
5cba70 No.16712120
>>16712093
Alright I did some research and the only reference of cloning I found regarding space pirates is Ridley from otherM.
Nevermind, fuck this shit.
cfaa47 No.16712152
>>16712096
>>16712093
So is Ridley Jesus Christ or the Six Million Dollar Man?
0c04db No.16712654
>>16712041
>great game, but bad Metroid
It's a shitty Metroid, a shitty run 'n' gun (action interrupted constantly by exposition), and a shitty survival-horror game, all because Fusion didn't understand what it wanted to be.
5ad0d5 No.16713962
>>16711779
Adding to other anon's suggestions,
>Super Metroid Arcade
It's a nice randomizer hack, that I wish got a Project Base Variant.
>Ancient Chozo
Project Base with a nice graphical style.
>Metroid Rogue Dawn
A very good hack for the original Metroid on the NES. Just the technical aspects that went into it are worth checking out (I really like the music)
Also, remember that Metroid X Fusion hasn't benn released yet (and probably will be released at the same time as Megaman X Corrupted NEVER EVER )
5cba70 No.16714673
>>16712654
I didn't say it was a bad metroid, I said it was too linear.
It's still a good metroid game, suck it.
8b4020 No.16715646
>A2MR
>Spider ball and space jump, two "easy vertical movement" abilities unlocked one after the other
>don't even get the speedbooster
Fucking hell, I think I might be dropping this.
I hate the space jump so much, it's just not a fun ability at all.
de06d2 No.16715671
God I want Samus to hunt me down cause I been a naughty boy.
58c10e No.16715702
>>16715646
space jump is fun, the fuck you on about
8b4020 No.16715704
>>16715671
You want her to screw-attack you?
8b4020 No.16715723
>>16715702
Completely trivializing vertical movement is just something I completely dislike. It doesn't have some skill to it like the walljump, it doesn't have neat ways to apply like the shinespark or speedbooster, I just find it boring since every jump is now "just hold forward and if you fuck up space jump it it's no biggy".
58c10e No.16715733
>>16715723
that's why it's an endgame item, you no longer have to rely on walljumping or shinesparking to get to hard-to-reach areas. it's so you can explore the world freely and cleanup the rest of the items you need. if it was given to you early in the game that'd be different.
8b4020 No.16715736
>>16715733
Which is why I don't get why A2MR gives it to you so fast(42 metroids remaining out of like 54), when you already have the spiderball.
6d9695 No.16715737
>>16715723
Spider ball only apply to certain areas, and Space Jump makes previous vertical areas easier to reach while also providing more complicated vertical areas later on, which isn't a lot.
That's the point of progression. Are you a faggot?
8b4020 No.16715742
>>16715737
It feels too easy, especially when most of the game's progression is you going down after the lava goes down too.
I will admit compared to like Fusion or Zero Mission A2MR bookended the space jump with a really fun bossfight.
8b4020 No.16715747
>>16715742
>too easy
Too early.
aba9aa No.16715756
>>16703827
The nintendo metroid 2 remake on 3ds has some pretty engaging combat if you're looking for something harder than AM2R, and the music is kickass, though it's inferior in other aspects.
46c06f No.16715758
Let me tell you, if you think Zero Suit Samus is better than Varia Suit Samus then your opinion on everything in life is invalid
5b8f61 No.16715760
>>16715646
Speed booster is in the same area as the space jump, should be your next item iirc.
28cf25 No.16715794
File: 619ff26270bf5c9⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 2 MB, 1525x1080, 305:216, dd277sv-d3758bd4-e0d4-422b….png)
>>16715671
I wonder what kind of forceful subjucation and interrogation methods she would use on her targets
8b4020 No.16715795
>>16715760
Oh cool. Thinking pack on the space jump boss I think I'll stick with the game since it used the space jump in a very fun way.
>>16715756
How toaster friendly.
28cf25 No.16715799
I just can't seem to get rid of the damn spoilers
190296 No.16716533
>Space jump boss in AM2R
Get me out this fucker is way too difficult. Playing Hard mode and it's just repeatedly kicking my shit in. The patterns are easy enough to recognize, but dodging it all in the aerial 2nd phase while simultaneously putting out damage is way too hard.
65ccc1 No.16717274
>>16716533
Stick to the middle part, when he fires the triple shot go behind him and fuck him up, when he descends to fire the clouds jump and aim down and shoot, either you damage him or you kill the clouds which restocks your health and missiles.
65ccc1 No.16717898
>>16715799
Just had to ruin that image with the patreon begging logo. I don't get how patreon got so big.
5cba70 No.16717914
>>16717898
It also has 3 watermarks with deviantart and twitter accounts.
190296 No.16719607
>>16717274
I quit playing before you had even responded, but when I woke up and started again today I stomped him on the first try. Funny how that works.
Now I'm encountering the bipedal metroids and they are kicking my shit in. I'm not sure if my missile usage is 100% efficient, but I can't even kill one before I'm completely tapped. Doesn't seem like I can hurt them with the plasma beam either, so maybe I just need to get gooder or go grind some missile upgrades. I hope not.
190296 No.16720396
And there we go. Anyone who is actually good at the game feel free to laugh.
Vastly better game than the official remake, but I still didn't like it. I was particularly pissed that every single metroid is 100% impervious to beams, even when you finally get the ice beam. At least allow a charged shot to do something to shake up the combat a little instead of "lmao just spam your limited missile (give me more supers you fucks) when you see metroid" because that gets a little old real quick. AI on the bipedal alpha/omega metroids was super easy to exploit too and I made heavy usage of it.
All in all, I think the official game did the metroid fights better, but everything else worse. And vise versa.
b675b7 No.16723720
>>16720396
Not too shabby dude! Did you play the original too?
42d72f No.16723773
>>16720396
I quit right after the first few bipedal metroids. I'm not particularly having fun with the metroid fights at all, and Hard feels a bit too hard while Normal feels a bit too easy.
How well do the Prime games emulate on a toaster?
5cba70 No.16723777
>>16723773
What do you call a toaster? Anything 5 or 6 years old is still largely up to date to play games.
42d72f No.16723781
>>16723777
Also nice trips.
5cba70 No.16723788
>>16723779
Not sure about that proc, but it's worth a try. On a dual core from the mid-late 2000 it ran for about 15fps. Not to mention Dolphin itself made tremendous performance improvements since then.
58c10e No.16724209
>>16723779
yeah good luck with that m8
19978e No.16724230
>haven't played Super Metriod until recently
Do bots write the threads on 8/v/ in cy+++++? I'm not even kidding. The decline of quality of this board over the last year is actually depressing. And that said, this is probably one of the better threads atm.
…and here is some splashbrush
58c10e No.16724266
>>16724230
>adding physical features to the suit
I cannot stress how fucking retarded this is and anyone who gets off on it should feel fucking ashamed
42d72f No.16724279
File: 8d1ac03219b41e6⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 487.9 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, the sweet sweet hips of a ….jpg)
>>16724209
fug
>>16724266
I get where they're coming from but it doesn't work for Samus' power suit.
624fce No.16724854
6422eb No.16724879
>>16724230
newfags are born every minute, anon
