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Polished Crystal

>>16673261

uma delicia

>Gen 3 discussion is tolerated but nothing after that.

I'll decide if I want to talk about later gens, not you you piece of shit kike.

>>16673266

let's get this shitshow started I guess

2 > 1 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 8

Crobat, Heracross, Toxicroak

Only mod I tried was glazed

>>16673283

>thinking about with a rock/ground style team but I don't want to leave crobat out or not be able to use fly

Aerodactyl?

There any fun gen 1 romhacks that are compatible with Stadium?

I still have my pokemon blue and yellow carts.

>>16673288

that would work

>>16673317

did you change the batteries on them? I did it proper with my crystal cart but something went wrong with my blue cart and now it doesn't start

The only poke thread necessary is Fullderp. Express your tits on your own, dilate, what have you.

>>16673382

Fullderp is gay as fuck. I bet you niggers secretly still play with 4um.

>>16673270

God Tier;

B2/W2

HG/SS

Emerald

Great Tier;

B/W

Platinum

Colosseum

XD: Gale of Darkness

Good Tier;

FR/LG

Crystal

Yellow

Okay tier;

G/S

R/S

D/P

OR/AS

R/B/G

Shit tier:

X/Y

S/M

US/UM

LGP/LGE

>>16673270

5 > 4 > 3 = 2 > 1 > 7 > 6 > 8

>>16673279

it's based on NY really only in the basic shape of the overworld map, I'd guess BW2 actually has many more caves, mountains, and ruins than Emerald and the rest of gen 3

>>16673254

>OP trying to limit what gens we can talk about because he couldn't figure out how to run the rest on his third-world PC

>>16673408

That's a great list.

>>16673254

Hi, I’m going to talk about all generations after gen 3 and there’s not a goddamn thing you can do to stop me because yours is a spam thread.

>>16673650

Actual reason:

>don't have to fuck around with Natures, Abilities, EVs and 31 IV range

Mawile & Vega, kinda wish there were more hacks with decent fakemon.

>>16673612

been playing through UltraShinyGoldSigma too, still in Johto but everything that wasn't just imported from Crystal suffers from awful fucking writing.

>>16673397

take a dogars

>>16673675

all of those were in gen 3

The only good gen 3 design is shedinja, but the draw back is having to put up with yet another bug/flying type to get it. Thought experiment time though: assume you had a team of leet hackers and you could import gen 2 models from Go into LG: how would you change the gym leader and elite four rosters?

>>16673289

No as I'm aware of but crystal clear is compatible with the official games from both generations and stadium 2. you can train your mons from the hack and transfer them to RBY.

>>16673886

see

>>16673675

to why HGSS aren't better than GSC.

>>16673894

…and vise versa.

>>16673907

source?

inb4 my ass

>>16673932

the amount of self inserts drops the quality and ur mum succs me off

>>16673979

Because people are retarded

>>16673932

Because unlike 90% of romhacks, CC doesn't change the fundamentals and is still link-compatible with the vanilla games, on top of having a fuck huge amount of content and detail that went into it.

>pokémon can follow you like in Yellow/HGSS

>unique sprites in party screen for all 251 mons

>can start in Kanto or Johto

>can pick your own trainer model

>over 30 starter options, each starting with held items and egg moves

>increased shiny odds for starters/gifts

>built-in quick soft resetter

>can see DVs of your pokemon

>can see DVs of wild pokemon if you get pokédex upgrade

>rival in Mt. Silver is Gold if you started in Kanto

>can battle and re-battle Gyms in any order

>can customize battle music (8-bit RSE, DPP, etc)

>all 251 are available and cleverly put in places where you'd expect them (like Mew being actually under the truck) and for trade evolutions there's a dude in Goldenrod/Celadon

>botched Kanto areas in GSC are recovered and made exactly like they were in Gen 1: Cinnabar island, Viridian forest, Cerulean cave, etc

>a lot of easter eggs like the Magikarp guy in the Mt. Moon Pokecenter giving you a shiny Magikarp if you buy it

It's essentially just Crystal+, I can't even go back to playing vanilla GSC anymore especially since CC fixes the biggest flaw: low level curve. Its open-world freeroam allows a lot of possibilities or combinations of starting town + starter. Some starters know HMs already.

It only sacrifices the linear story of GSC and removes the rival and team rocket from the picture, but fuck man you can now PLAY as a Rocket grunt or Silver.

>>16673948

Yeah the only drawbacks are the few self-inserts tucked here and there or the SJW pandering in the intro (male/female selection being separate from character sprite selection.

also anyone who wants to get CC, stick with 2.0 BETA which is the best version. Don't get the latest one (2.0 "BABY") which has more SJW pandering in it (they made half the NPCs in the game black).

>>16673979

>>16673932

>>16674029

get Polished Crystal instead

it's stuck on development hell but the latest beta release is already pretty good. Just make sure you get the version that doesn't use custom pokemon typing.

>>16674037

We've had this discussion before, CC is better than PC.

PC has gen 4 pokemon in it and isn't even link compatible with the real games. It's a typical "special snowflake" romhack. CC is just "Crystal but better".

>>16673907

I really like the potential of Ultra Shin Gold Sigma because he somehow managed to balance a game that actually has all the regions. It’s just nowhere near done. Most of Kanto is literally just imported from FRLG without any changes to text or function (you go “backward” around the map from the original play through and get nothing but inverted early-game dialogue). At least he’s still working on it.

Every generation after the 1st has been shit.

>>16674067

>We've had this discussion before

kek

>PC has gen 4 pokemon in it

only evos and pre-evos from the normal available pokémon in Crystal

>isn't even link compatible with the real games.

literally nobody gives a shit

The hack you're presenting here isn't "Crystal but better", it can change starting region and started mons, it's a big enough departure from Crystal.

>>16674078

Gen 1 was janky trash with poorly thought out features. It took GF another three fucking gens to split physical and special by move instead of type.

Fuck you

>>16673408

My fucking nigger.

>>16674122

>see you mention physical/special split

>notice CCfag didn't mention it in his enormous post listing features

>look it up

>doesn't have it because "muh compatibility"

and it's trash

get Polished Crystal if you guys really want Crystal but with up to date mechanic improvements and quality of life changes

>>16674148

>it's a "can't live without phys/sp split" faggot

lol

Then why bother with playing gen 2, retard?

Go play the remakes then. It has all the "Quality of Life™" changes you want so much. It even has Wi-Fi™ and 3D Graphics™!

Can you see your Pokémon's DVs or Stat Exp in Polished Crystal? The answer is no.

btw polished crystal sucks and crystal clear is also a "special snowflake hack"

the real Crystal+ hack is called Perfect Crystal

The only reason I'm playing CC is to make my dream teams to finish both PokeStadium games completely, only finished R1 in stadium 1 years ago and never got the chance to buy the second game.

Im just using that SJW pandering shit of a romhack to train my mons.

>>16673254

>>16673650

OP knows EXACTLY when Pokemon died. A true gentleman and scholar.

I'd also say Pokemon was dead with Emerald and onwards, which ironically is the oldest entry point in the franchise where you could theoretically trade pokemon into your current dex.

Everything prior exists in this kinda forgotten and abandoned bubble, where everything in that bubble is still connected to each other. Just think about the stadium games, maybe even Colloseum.

I know it's partly about the new Stat system, but it's like gamefreak purposely decided to segregate the original generation from the milking generation that resided to this day.

Where pokemon was just edgy and world-building enough, without it being solely a waifu generator and gameplay handholding with the odd super competitive autism.

>>16674197

theres links on reddit same thing really

>>16674166

>Then why bother with playing gen 2, retard?

play vanilla crystal then

I get liking the older versio better for many reasons, but defending pre-split moves is an instant retard flag you're holding

>Can you see your Pokémon's DVs or Stat Exp in Polished Crystal? The answer is no.

again, nobody gives a shit

it's a "can't live without visible minmax points" faggot, why bother playing gen2, retard?

>>16674171

Looks pretty solid, but more of a basic Crystal but with every mon internally, non-retarded evo methods and bugfixes rather than an expansion of mechanics. Perfect if you just want the "vanilla crystal" experience but with fixes and without having to rely on link cabling to complete it. If you want Crystal but updated and with expanded canon content, like orange isles and stuff, then Polished Crystal is the one. If you want Crystal but with random pozzed OCs hamfisted in then apparently Crystal Clear is a thing. CC actually looks like the best option for grinding and building mons for transferring purposes, like >>16674179 mentions. But, standalone? Stay clear.

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>>16674233

The CC fag on here would refuse to post it and only link the discord. He did attach a file once but wouldn't do it again.

>>16674272

This is the link I used https://web.archive.org/web/20180804235959/https://shockslayer.com/crystal/Crystal_Clear.gbc

So does Pokémon Crystal Clear restore the Japanese sprites?

>>16674273

>why is the best romhack talked about so much??

Because it's good?

>>16674286

Yes, and the Celebi event is restored and even improved upon.

>>16674320

It's nice. Fire attacks being special based, while fire pokemon are usually attack based is retarded.

I’m not sure if what Im thinking of is Crystal Clear but a while ago (5+ years I think) I played a game like it with newer pokemon (all the way up to gen 4 if memory serves) and some custom totally new pokemon but with the Crystal style. Is that Crystal Clear or something else? I wish to revisit it.

>>16674383

Crystal Clear has no new mons beyond Gen 2. You probably played Liquid Crystal.

>>16674320

It's nice, but I don't know how it would affect the earlier games. I just wish Hidden Power received a physical variation maybe Hidden Force? seeing as physical attackers can't use HP as well as pre-split. It'd be similar to how Hyper Beam became special in gen4, but Giga Impact was its physical replacement.

>>16674536

No, it definitely wasn't. It was in the style of Crystal with the gameboy color graphics.

>>16674588

Why would you save such an image?

>>16673281

i agree, b/w made me so mad when it came out

the region is literally a circle and who cares about fucking plot in a pokemon.

The rivals were the worst TO DATE and the music mostly sucked

New animated pokemon models were cool i guess but a lot of new pokemon sucked and there were 200 of them and you could only catch from them

off topic sorry

>>16674632

How are you offtopic? You're talking about pokemon. Is this how emasculated the posting audience on /v/ has become under Mark's awful moderation?

>>16674029

I was curious why CC was getting shilled so hard until I noticed the reddit spacing.

>>16674717

>Reddit invented spacing meme

I've typed like this long before reddit existed.

>>16673650

>OP trying to limit what gens we can talk about because he couldn't figure out how to run the rest on his third-world PC

Actually I think it is because OP is likely between the ages of late 20's to early 30's. This is the age group that most likely grew up during the Pokemon craze of the late 90's that was basically the biggest thing for young boys growing up at the time. The first generation of Pokemon was a massive hit in the way Fortnite would be today only I think Pokemon was much bigger than even that because it had a ton of merchandise and the anime to go along with it. The reason he included gen 3 as tolerable is because so many old gen fans checked out of the franchise after the second generation, many even after the first gen. Some however decided to give gen 3 a try and many liked it even though at that point they were growing out of liking Pokemon. So gen 3 for this age group is likely a cut off for many old fans. You either liked it enough to keep going on being a fan and enjoying newer games in the series or you didn't. Then there are some that liked gen 3 but not enough to continue on enjoying the cashcow that is Pokemon.

The only real reason I am bringing this up in the first place is actually because I have seen this unfold in my own life. Pokemon was a way of life for the majority of kids when I was in elementary school. The pokecraze was unlike anything I had experienced for gaming as a kid. By middle school the gen 3 games were coming out and by then most of my peers weren't into Pokemon anymore because it was seen as a childish game series and played out by that point. I remember some however liked the gen 3 games. My old friends I talked to thought they were pretty decent fun games and we got enjoyment out of it but it just wasn't the same at that point so I'd guess the majority of them probably did stop being fans by the end of gen 3. So for most old fans gen 2 or gen 3 is the cutoff for Pokemon. For many it is even the first gen. I think after this cutoff a new crop of younger fans started to come up and the sales trends even kind of prove this a bit since the fourth gen sold better than the last and the trend for Pokemon was continuing to go down in sales for the games a lot from gens 1-3. It is safe to say many could have seen Pokemon as just a fad back then and that kids would move on to the next craze. Of course time has proven Pokemon to have some serious staying power though being the largest media franchise in the world.

So long post here but for many of us with fond nostalgia for those old days of Pokemon we just wouldn't feel right discussing newer games. Doesn't mean they are bad at all. Its just not something we were into and Pokemon as a franchise just isn't the same thing as something along the lines of MGS, Final Fantasy, Call of Duty and many other things where older fans may feel fine talking with newer fans even if they didn't play or enjoy the newer games in these other franchises. Pokemon is a milking cow that basically has a proven formula that works to forever milk to the next batch of kids that come up. If you are an adult that likes that fine, just don't be mad that not everyone feels the same as you might.

>>16673254

>favorite mons

Mewtwo, Charizard, Muk, Pikachu, Dragonite, Gyrados, Feraligatr, Wobuffet, Mankey, Primeape, Scizor, Poochyena, Zigzagoon and Linoone are some of my biggest favorites. Mewtwo being my all time favorite.

>Favorite romhack

I've yet to dive into a romhack. Most interested in trying Prism. I played a bit of it but haven't gotten around to playing the whole thing. I'd love to make my own romhack if I even had the ability to and the time.

>>16674653

why are you a nigger?

>>16674872

>20's to early 30's

Late 20's at the very least.

>>16674709

I didn't even realize it was the same anon.

I couldn't even fathom that the "don't fuck around with natures and EVs and shit" anon would be the same as the "does Polished have visible DV and stat EXP, the answer is no", so didn't even check the IDs.

Holy shit you can't make this stuff up.

Btw, Polished Crystal adds natures and abilities, but gives you the option to disable them.

>>16674029

Any idea where I can find the 2.0 Beta version?

Why are disCUCKS so obnoxious?

>>16673408

move Colosseum to Okay Tier and D/P to shit tier and I'd agree with this.

>>16673408

B/W should be moved down to Okay or at least Good tier. While it introduced some good things I feel like it was also missing a lot - which B2/W2 certainly did fix but to me those were things that should have been fixed from the getgo.

>>16674588

There was that Doom one that turned the game into a PvP Mega Man FPS.

HGSS to B2W2 is the peak of the franchise for me, but that's mostly because I enjoy all the little shit in Pokemon and maybe because /vp/ existed during that time. For a while I've been considering making some sort of Pokemon fangame, but with Game Freak massively fucking up I might have to expedite the process. I heard that Essentials is sort of being replaced with something called Pokemon SDK, but I also heard it's not to far into development itself yet. Not to mention that while for the most part the game is fairly normal, I've got some fucking out there ideas that might not quite work in RPG Maker XP. Regardless, I don't want to ask anybody for help until I have a solid grasp on that sort of shit, and my motivation problems are pretty bad.

Crystal Clear's AIDS levels used to be tolerable even with all the OC's due to it's unique open world design but the 2.0 version turned almost every random NPC into a nigger and it absolutely destroys your immersion. Their Discuck squad is also aware of it and deletes every message pointing that out.

Polished Crystal meanwhile includes all the good features of the future gens and improves the ones that are there. The new areas and writing are taken from the Pokemon Adventures manga and certain anime set pieces and is implemented seamlessly into the vanilla game. And if you hate these features, you can just disable them on startup. And if you don't want to bother with IV autism you can also activate max IV mode on startup where every pokemon has, as the name suggests, max IV's. Also inbuilt nuzlocke mode if that's your thing.

>>16675417

Actually while we are at it, here is a link. Just try it, it's not like you have anything better to do.

https://www.gbahacks.com/2017/03/polished-crystal.html

>>16673412

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>>16673408

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>>16673658

>>16674144

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>>16674078

Any list that puts gen 1 over fucking anything is being delusional.

Gen 1 looks like dogshit visually, half the types don't even have a move over 60bp, the type chart itself was inbalanced as fuck, it lacked basic quality of life features such as bag pockets, there'e's no held items, and the lack of a SPA/SPD split is shit

The fact of the matter is that Pokemon games change so little entry to entry that the iterative improvements each new gen makes more or less makes each new game better then the last. This is true for a lot of vidya, with people only saying otherwise because of nostaglia and rating things "for their time"; honestly, but especially, ergegiously pokemon, to the point it's not even arguable.

The only times a prior Pokemon Game has been better then a newer one even arguably has been when you go from a thid version to a new gen and miss out on functionality (IE Emerald > DP, and to a lesser extent Crystal > R/S); and then gen 6/7 is very debatably inferior to gen 5 and PT/HGSS for similar reasons.

But Gen 1 being above anything, or Gen 6/7 being below Gen 2 or 3 or DP is your nostalgiagoggles being on way too god damn tight and/or shitting on new things for being new, and/or rating them particularly low due to being unambitious and dissapointing relative to how good they COULD have been, even if putting potential and personal dissapointment aside, say, XY is still blatently a better game then something like GS.

Like shit, I have an insane amount of nostalia for Pokemania, gen 1-2, etc; but be fucking honest with yourself here.

>b-but I AM ranking them based on how good they were for their time

Then fucking say that.

>>16674029

That sounds cool anon. Do they add in new moves to make up for gen 2 not having a lot of goog moves for various types or add the physical/special split?

Would also be cool if they added in some gen 3/4 etc mons, Prism had some really nice gen 2 style sprites for them, but based on what you said it doesn't.

>Don't get the latest one (2.0 "BABY") which has more SJW pandering in it (they made half the NPCs in the game black).

Does it change anything beyond the SJW pandering? I don't mind dealing with silly pronoun stuff or characters being black or whatever if there's other actual gameplay improvements.

>>16674067

>>16674098

>>16674111

How does PC compare to CC exactly beyond the extra mons? How are the sprites for the extra mons?

>>16675735

>what are Gym rebattles at their highest level

>what is the E4

>what is trading to RBY/GSC

>what is trading to Stadium/Stadium 2

The Battle Tower in Crystal was barebones anyway, it wasn't until Emerald we got a proper one.

>>16675843

>what are Gym rebattles at their highest level

Easy EXP and money.

>what is the E4

A collection of gay OC's

>what is trading to RBY/GSC

For what purpose?

>what is trading to Stadium/Stadium 2

The only legitimate argument in favor of that shitheap. But you could just as well use gameshark in the vanilla game for tweaking purposes and skip the subversive tranny middleman.

>>16673254

Celebi. If no legends then its a toss between Bulbasaur and Haunter.

Never played a romhack. Thinking of dumping an emulator or two on a phone to try some.

>>16676528

Weren't they working on fucking around with the indexes so they could fit more than 256 slots in there? Or am I thinking of some Red disassembly?

>>16676528

removing perfectly good pokemon so you can add in your furry fetish shit with Eevees is already a red flag. Eevee was neat in first gen. Second gen sure but now it's just out of hand and stupid. Eevee doesn't need 15 evolutions. The original 3 was cool and made sense . Now if you lick it's asshole during a Tuesday near the space needle it evolves into Digimon type. Just too fucking much and every generation it fucks them over because they have to include more and more awkward ways to make it evolve.

>>16676567

I hate that they keep introducing new convoluted ways to make mons evolve. Or create infant versions of themselves when breeding. We're at a million held items, two hundred location specific evolutions that they need to come up excuses for including in ever subsequent game (well, not any more, now that they're started cutting) and fifty other gimmicks like leveling up while you hold the 3DS upside down. For some retarded reason they keep pretending that evolutions need to be consistent, meaning that they act like the evolution wasn't available because you didn't have the means to get it rather than because it didn't fucking exist in that game. They've already screwed that up anyway, with things like Lickitung and its evolution method. Stop adding more held items and just make breeding always result in a baby form if you have to add another baby form to an existing line.

>>16676566

Maybe, I haven't kept up with it.

>>16676567

Yeah, man I can't even think how we can live without Stantler, Aipom and the baby pokémon that need abnoxious and obscure breeding methods. Meanwhile, the eeveelutions are 3 of 17 added pokes that are all evos to pokemon that really benefit from evolutions, like misdreavus, murkrow, yanma and gligar.

Eevee is a fan favorite, and the way they did their adding and removing of pokémon, if a pokemon has a new evolution it either gets in the game, or the pokemon is removed and no new evo gets in, like lickitung and lickylicky and aipom and ambipom. They'd either add the new evos or remove eevee, and that would be the dumbest removal on their list if they did.

The only questionable decision there imo is Munchlax, that is also a meme useless baby pokémon. I'd rather they keep Delibird or Shuckle in favor of it.

Also, if you see normal eeveelutions sprites, not sexualized fanart, and think of them as furry fetish, then you've already been infected with the "big fur".

>>16676641

They fucked that in gen 1 where your Eevee just didn't care enough about you to evolve like it did in gen 2.

There's no good reason why Eevee couldn't use evolution stones, a long with a lot of others. They added a bunch of new stones and they barely got used.

>>16676655

I like Stantler and I like Aipom. Aipoms a pretty cool design in general. Just because you want to fuck a dog doesn't mean I don't enjoy slapping people with a monkey's ass tail.

>If you point out it's furries being furry then you're a furry

Neck yourself you queer.

>>16676661

I actually like Aipom's design too. But they'd also have to add it's awful looking evolution if they kept it. That's two slots for a pokémon that has a neat looking first stage, but almost no one uses. And Stantler would be one slot for a pokémon that absolutely no one uses.

>if there's a dog, it means it's there because people want to fuck it

There's more to life than furfaggotry, anon. Don't let it consume you.

>>16676567

>>16676661

You are literally the only one talking about fucking an eevee. Stop projecting and kill yourself instead.

>>16676811

>Kill yourself.

>>16673264

Its spanish, not portuguese, you retard.

>>16673408

I haven't played a Pokemon game since Pearl, but lately I've gotten the urge so I downloaded an emulator.

Which is the better choice between B2 and W2?

>>16676852

There's a difference?

>>16677212

Grimer and Muk.

>>16677223

Yeah, I'd fuck them. They're original sludge husbando pokemon. So what?

>>16677212

I don't even care about the new pokemon designs, I just wish these people could tolerate the existence of the older games without having to screech about muh bugs and muh speed crits. They never have any arguments against the more fundamental aspects like difficulty, map design or writing (the things people crticise in the new games), it's just autists getting upset about minor balance issues.

I don't give a shit if they don't like the old games, I just wish they'd shut the fuck up about it.

>>16677233

Do I have to post my list of Gen 1 trainers from every route, and my sort of analysis of them? Because the map design causes a pretty big problem there. The "choose your path" thing fucks up the level curve a little, there's only a handful of optional areas at all, and because like 60 Pokemon were cut all the teams are super redundant (although I'm going to be honest I'm not sure that would have helped).

>>16677253

>The "choose your path" thing fucks up the level curve a little

Yeah, a little. There's also the problem of there being nowhere to level up between Blaine and Giovanni, just pretty much have to grind. Fucked level curve is also a problem in Gen 2, where you'll outlevel all trainers past the 3rd gym in a game with 16 gyms. I'm not trying to claim the games are perfect, just better than their sequels.

>teams are super redundant

I think that's less to do with the smaller pool of pokemon and more because Game Freak deliberately limited the variety that trainers use. They had plenty of pokemon to work with, they just didn't use them. As an example, the bug catchers in Viridian Forest could have mixed in things like Venonat and Paras, but nope, it's entirely Caterpie and Weedle, and one Kakuna. Game Freak seemed to have an aversion to giving non gym leaders pokemon that you couldn't yet catch yourself, which severely limited teams. It's one of the reasons I think Gen 3 is better than Gen 1.

>>16677307

Pokemon is really complex, limiting the starting area to 10 or so basic pokemon is a good idea for people learning types. Introducing too many things at once is a good way to piss people off. And Those early pokemon are weaker as they evolve, they're supposed to be a stepping stone to better things. Venonat evolves into a good pokemon to match up with Scyther and Pinsir if you're looking for late game bug types. It also appears in victory cave and you don't want all your end game stuff to just be route 1 stuff evolved. Gen 1 has a few problems with geodudes and zubats being every where. Making distinct areas is important to make a player feel they are progressing.

>>16673408

this is a pretty good list but I don't think the shit tear should even really exist, except for Let's Go

XY and Gen 7 are disappointing in many ways but it's not as though they completely fucked everything up like GF is doing on the Switch I'd put them in the okay tier

>>16673932

>>16674037

Just play Perfect Crystal, simple improvement hack, you can catch all the mons, some sprites are uncensored, and levels are balanced to be like how they are in HGSS

>>16677904

see

>>16674171 and >>16674237

it's neat, but too basic imo

ctrl+f the thing you're gonna recommend next time

>>16676528

>>16676567

Wait, so PC doesn't just add pokemon, it removes some too?

>>16677999

Yeah, there's only so many pokemon you can fit in so to add evos they had to remove some. As mentioned Stantler and Aipom are gone, off the top of my head I can remember that Spearow and Fearow are also absent.

>>16677999

>>16678018

Oh wait, here's the full list:

>Added: Leafeon, Glaceon, Sylveon, Togekiss, Weavile, Honchkrow, Mismagius, Electivire, Magmortar, Magnezone, Tangrowth, Rhyperior, Porygon-Z, Yanmega, Gliscor, Mamoswine, and Munchlax.

>Removed: Spearow, Fearow, Lickitung, Goldeen, Seaking, Hoppip, Skiploom, Jumpluff, Shuckle, Aipom, Stantler, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Smoochum, and Delibird.

There's a similar case with moves, some were removed to make room for new ones.

>>16678042

Who else would they remove?

Removing any pokémon is alrady bad, no matter what, so all they could do was select some that were either not very useful or that already had it's niche filled. There's already a shitton of water and plant pokémon, and I'm guessing those were the less popular ones.

>inb4 they should just not add the new evos

The goal is to have the mons in their most updated status, with typing, moves, abilities and also evos. Not having their baby forms was just another compromise (again, I do think munchlax was a stupid addition). Having to remove some mons was just the price to pay, unfortunately.

Apparently according to some anon they were trying to expand the slots for pokemon in the hack just to bring those guys back, so there's that.

>>16677223

>grimer and muk, basic and not over designed slime monsters made from pollution

>Nupokenigger: OMGZ DIS DESIGN SO BAWD WHERE R THE BELTS AND HIPS AND WAIFU BEWBS?! SUM 1 GIVE THESE TO TETSUYA NOMURA TO REDESIGN STAT!!1!

>>16678029

I like Fearow;, but if you HAD to remove mons, that does seem like the ideal list of ones to drop.

>>16673254

>original 251

fuck off zoomer, the original is 151

>>16673254

>Brobat

<Haven't played enough ROM hacks to pick a favorite.

Sigma Emerald was nice with gen6 mechanics and reusable TMs, but changing level up moves was annoying to get used to, giving the starters their hidden abilities was outright broken, and I fucking hate Fairy type.

FireRed Omega was alright. It changed the starters and upped their stats to compensate for being weaker than the other starters, pokemon levels in encounters and battles are scaled up, and started you off with the National Dex. (Great for those who like Zubat and get stuck with the … stopped evolving message because of friendship pre-national dex.) Unfortunately, the professor aide rewards are still only given based on the Pokemon you caught in the Kanto dex. (No, national dex Pokemon don't count. I tried) Because the 2 regions that don't count towards that total now make up roughly 2/3 of encounters, the already tedious rewards are now 3x worse. Also, because you're given the National Dex early on, you can start doing post-game content before beating the Elite 4. I figured this would be a good place to grind because the Elite 4 was about 10 levels ahead of me (6x vs 7x), but I did too much post-game content and then had to fight an Elite 4 about 15 levels ahead of me (7x vs 9x) after grinding despite having never beaten them yet. It was partially my fault for forgetting that the Elite 4 gets stronger post-game, but it was still frustrating to deal with the stronger Elite 4 team on my first time facing them due to an oversight. (I'm not sure if it was just the Lorelei quest or the RS quest that changed the Elite 4, but if you skip them you should be fine if you want to train in the Sevii islands first.)

Both ROMs are designed to catch everything in 1 game. They added new areas or added legendaries/mythical to existing areas based on their theme.

I've downloaded Crystal Clear and Perfect Crystal, but haven't gotten around to playing them yet.

>>16673270

2 = 3 > 4 > 1 = 5 > shit > 6 > 7

>gen 2 and 3 offered a lot of exploration

>Kanto was barren in GSC but completing it after the E4 still gave more playtime

>pretty good for first post-game outside of completing the dex

>RSE has the most secrets of any Pokemon game to date

<would have ranked higher if its events were used or distributed more frequently

>half the events were in Braille, you had to figure stuff out without handholding

>also silky smooth 60 FPS and no loading gates

>DP brought slowdowns but the region was really nice I'm a sucker for mountains and snow

>battle mechanics were improved a lot (phys/special split)

>introduced online play

>RBY had a lot of noticeable glitches during gameplay and questionable design choices (special for both attk/def, 100 acc moves missing, soft lock in cinnabar, etc)

>still good for what it was, can't be too hard on the first in the series

>BW had some great improvements with seasons, new moves and abilities, auto-repel in BW2

>fixed all slowness from DP

<awful pokemon designs held back the generation

<linear design and lack of exploration made the areas more forgettable

>still fun to play through, especially in BW2 with a better roster available to play with

>first game to add a challenge mode

<requires someone else with a completed save first to unlock

<restarting deletes the challenge key

>gen6/7 are just garbage

<too many cutscenes and tutorials

<too fucking easy

<game gives you stuff when you don't need it just to make sure you won't ever struggle

<models look awful

<so poorly optimized that frame dips are nearly unavoidable

<gen7 kept all the same performance issues from gen6

>Wonder Trade is actually a great idea (in theory)

>really nice if you want to give away Pokemon without expecting anything back

<don't expect anything back, 95% of it is people tossing the region's equivalent of Rattata (at least you can ignore those faggots in GTS)

>>16678541

What's your favourite Grass-type?

>>16678092

You don't remove Goldeen either way. It's an iconic water pokemon. There are much better removals like Taurus, Mr. Mime, Mankey line, even the Ledyba line which I like. But a better idea is to just not add all the evolutions to these things. Most of them are shit and serve no purpose. And adding Muchlax when you remove other babies is just fan wank

>>16678545

He won’t say, he just wants to act contrarian and derail threads.

!rank Regular Oink is the enter code for the crystal clear trannycord: xmTXhtV

>>16679220

Golden is the geodude of the ocean man. Pokemon without a goldeen and magikarp infestation just isn't pokemon.

Miltank can fuck off too. It's just budget chansey.

>>16679273

Nobody cares about Goldeen.

>>16679279

I care about Goldeen.

>>16679288

Okay then hitler.

On a actual note though, Miltank is probably more "distinct" now that i think about it.

It probably deserves to stick around due to notoriety, its not really chansey outside of the "tank" thing; miltank is fast and not skewed.

>>16679294

miltank is actually much more like tauros than chansey, the only thing that's really similar to chansey is Milk Drink and Soft-Boiled functioning in an identical way

>>16679294

Yeah, Miltank has an important status as Whitney's steamrolling machine, I wouldn't want it gone. Mr. Mime is pretty unique too. I can't defend Munchlax though, it's not even available before the elite four without abusing wonder trade which is the only justification I could think of for its presence.

>>16679337

>can't defend Munchlax though

The only reason I can think for it being there is as a proof of concept of being able to add pre-evos.

I'd still have Delibird or Shuckle instead of it, though.

>>16679294

Tanky normal type who people only remember because no one knew WTF Roll out did the first time they met it and couldn't kill it fast enough.

You already have Chansey and Snorlax performing the normal tanky types.

>>16679337

Being unique isn't a justification for keeping it. Suudowoodo is unique and fucking terrible, but it's useful for the path blocking, which I appreciate. Where as stuff like Mr Mime and Girafarig don't really serve a purpose. They appear so rarely in the game that losing them changes very little.

>>16679347

I like delibird but it needs an evolution. Shuckle is a faggot but he's a useful faggot who deserves a tank slot for his unique typing and stalling tactics. Which aren't super common back then.

Pre-evos is easy to do, same mechanics as a 2-3 gen evolution.

Cut Jigglypuff or Clefairy. You free up 2 slots and they are interchangable. I'd be more prone to cutting Jiggly because Clefairy has metronome , but Jiggly is way more iconic so it can go either way

>>16679362

>You already have Chansey and Snorlax performing the normal tanky types.

So what, none of those are the same archtype.

>slow special tank

>slow special tank with offensive abilities

Neither of those archtypes are miltank. Its a fast physical tank. This is the equivalent of cutting zangoose because slaking and Exploud exists.

>>16679378

Could cut all 3 of those faggots and lose nothing of value.

>>16679431

>disrespecting slaking

Everything but slaking is pretty non-memorable but the point still stands; Zangoose wouldn't get cut for that reason.

Unless you seriously want to push that.

>>16679438

Loudred is more memorable than slaking because it has that mine area where you can't avoid them. Like Goldeen, Magikarp, Geodude, Ratata and Sentret I'd say it's generation defining.

>>16679445

Well he's a hint, i don't remember that section in the slightest.

Slaking is a gym mon with an odd gimmick, which i remember more than a dungeon gimmick or whatever the fuck you're talking about because i can't remember what the hell it is.

How the fuck is goldeen gen defining?

>>16679445

>>16679463

I'm pretty sure you could only catch Goldeen by fishing, which most people didn't do much of. Nodbody cares about Goldeen because they just didn't encounter it often unless they went out of their way to fish loads.

>>16679475

Goldeen appears constantly when you surf along side tentacool and magikarp who just gives bad exp and wastes your time.

Guys I need a ROM hack that removes story barriers from Emerald to make it open world. Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby is fine aswell.

Your time is over, grandpa. These have been remade with all the better mechanics, graphics, storyline, and music.

>>16674632

region is shit ill give you that but bw2 fixed it

>who cares about fucking plot in a pokemon

alot of fucking people apparently.

music from b/w is some of the best in pokemon games

>Favorite Pokemon

Clefairy/Jynx

>Favorite Romhack

I don't really play romhacks of this gen.

>think about pre-evolutions

>Smoochum only provides to benefit of learning Charm and Kiss moves

If Sweet Kiss is a kiss on the cheek, is Lovely Kiss a kiss in the mouth?

>>16679273

Nah, that's Tentacool.

>>16680383

he's 100% right though

there's not a single thing RB does better then FRLG, and HGSS is arguably the single best pokemon game in the entire franchise, with even more added content over GSC then FRLG did to RB.

The only arguable thing is that since GSC's visuals still holds up decently and there's a specifc stylization to it's sprites, it can be argued that HGSS loses some of that aeshetic (RBY just looks like shit in general)

>>16680690

Why did you do this?

>>16680712

Why do you people do this? Is anyone going to study, comment on, or recall your favorite pokemon of each type?

>>16680082

>music from b/w is some of the best in pokemon game

this, that music when you got a low hp, fucking god, it's just glorious, they turned a angry pitifyl noise into a magnificient glorious music that made you press your ass thight cause shits gonna get real.

>>16678417

this right here familycom

>>16680910

well yeah. alpha sapphire is tied with white 1 as my favorite pokemon game. it has all the megas from x & y + added a few hoenn-exclusive megas. i love how the mega evolution concept has beefed up many of my old childhood favorites

the legendary pokemon are because i liked them a lot in the movies

>>16675537

>XY is still blatently a better game then something like GS.

no way fag

I could see a case that every game from 1 to 5 was an improvement on the previous (which I would disagree with but it's viable if you use that kind of "muh features" criterion) but every game of the 3DS era and beyond is hot trash

>>16680990

>every game of the 3DS era and beyond is hot trash

>every

x/y, sun/moon, & ultra sun/moon weren't as good as white/black 1. i will give you that.

but how can you say that about alpha/omega?! it has one of the most emotionally satisfying stories and characters in the whole series! i'm jaded as fuck but this great game still tugged at my heartstrings!

>>16674650

>>16680082

Its a gen1-3 thread and i talked about gen 5

Apology was for helping hijacking, look at the thread now, its all about arguing gens now when thread couldve been more focused. I dont give a shit about bans

>music is some of the best

Lol no all battle themes sucked except legendaries, theres like 2 good route and town themes

>>16681074

Also vs team plasma was an alright theme

>>16681028

ORAS is hated just because they didn't put the Battle Frontier in from emerald, Steven gives you a Mega Lati@s relatively early in the game if you want to use it, and the Game Corner's been cancelled since gen 5

Yes, those are seriously the only three reasons that ORAS is the most hated game in the series (besides nostalgia goggles), despite being a decent game on par with most other entries in the series.

I dont see how people can argue that modern games are any good.

Look at Gen 5, Gen 6. You had a event only thing for Zoroark which can never be legitimately caught in game now. You have spots in postgame to evolve Leafeon and Glaceon. Irrelevant one-off evolution held items are acquired via battle subway. You had a fucking ocean ruin to explore, just for Arceus held items and his legendaries.

The only way to get him was via transfer so why not just let transferred mons hold a fucking item

Why did they do and stat a million hidden abilities for dream forest only to kill it next gen? The wiki still has contest data for new mons even though contests dont exist anymore. Gen 6 is just as bad, why have ingame achievements and dressup just to cut it again?

Its all so fucking baffling and angering

>>16681092

>Why did they do and stat a million hidden abilities for dream forest only to kill it next gen?

Nearly all of those abilities are attainable now, they were just made attainable through different means.

>You had a event only thing for Zoroark which can never be legitimately caught in game now

You mean like Mew or Celebi or Deoxys or Darkrai or Manaphy…

This is a practice that has been around since the very first Pokémon games. You can still cheat to activate the events very easily. In fact, Zoroark is probably the worst example of something like this, since you had two in-game events to get it in BW, and it wasn't even a legendary, so it could be bred and traded without any issues.

>The only way to get him was via transfer

and a dreamworld event given out to every player who could connect to the internet

>Irrelevant one-off evolution held items are acquired via battle subway.

Diamond and Pearl were way worse, they gave certain Pokémon new evolutions and didn't even give players a way to obtain them unless they had Battle Revolution or a gen 3 game.

>>16681106

Except Zoroark wasnt legendary and became catchable as a regular pokemon the very next game.

I didnt have a home network at the time when that game came out. I didn't live in a city and we only had satellite internet, which was USB and had specific software, so there was no wireless network or hotspot for my DS to connect to.

Oh, and gen 6 had at least 4 empty caves that were used in events. Why would they not use existing places and instead design a conspicuous setpiece for each? Annoying.

>>16681084

>no battle frontier

so hoenn's Battle Maison doesn't count or something? each gen has had different Frontier Brains for you to take on. even heartgold shares the same exact battle facility as the d/p/pt games. likewise, all gen 6 games share the same battle facility as well. the Battle Maison and Battle Chatelaines.

emerald: hoenn's frontier brains

diamond/heartgold: sinnoh's frontier brains

black: subway bosses

x / omega: battle chatelaines

sun: battle legends

>early lati@s

and? getting a legendary early before the elite four isn't unusual. in most games, you'll encounter a legendary with a master ball in hand before you take on the champion.

the eon flute and flying sections were also great additions! they eliminated the need to put Fly on an hm slave. this feature would later be expanded in sun/moon, which had designated pokemon to help you fly and surf. you don't have to carry around a useless hm slave anymore.

you can thank Lati@s for that

>no gambling

so? the censorship of gambling minigames didn't start with gen 5. it started with heartgold/soulsilver and many anons here still love those remakes

>>16673675

>>16673675

>>16673675

This garbage ruined pokemon.

>>16681141

Battle Maison is just Battle Tower, the most barebones part of the Battle Frontier. And of course they copy paste that from XY instead of bringing back the Frontier in a shitty remake of the gen that actually introduced it.

>>16681084

>despite being a decent game on par with most other entries in the series.

It has a main game on par with XY; in other words its manages to be below fucking average in the main game, the main game is worthlessly bad in other words.

It tones down the difficulty of the original and adds the XY share along with it.as in they nerfed trainers and added a broken tool

The reason why the latis don't help its case is because its a free mega luke like mon again.

The average pokemon game is not good, but ORAS is not average; its a story bloated piss easy slog with little post game but one of the shittiest stories in a pokemon game.

What's the latest version of Polished Crystal?

2 > 1 > 3 > I stopped paying attention to pokemon after that. I recently tried black/white and dropped it after 2 hours. I can't believe how fucking hand holdy that shit was and the story was the most fucktarded tree hugging hippie shit I've ever seen. Then I read that sun/moon was universally panned but people somehow think sword/shield will be good.

Was HeartGold any good? I might try some a remake or remaster, whatever the fuck the marketing term is these days. I don't play competitive so idgaf about natures or ev/iv and whatever autismal filler shit they've added.

>>16681084

I also agree with >>16681408

I don't even care about the battle frontier or game corner and I still hate ORAS. It turned up the story and turned down the difficulty which turns the whole game into a snoozefest. Not to mention the constant handholding kills any sense of adventure which is something Hoenn was really good at. Aside from mechanical updates, which you can already get through romhacks, ORAS makes no improvements over the originals.

>>16681689

HeartGold is good, it adds some extra areas and somewhat fixes the retarded level curve, though I think the music and artstyle are worse than the originals. Gen 2 is still the best in that regard.

I never played gen 2, but was thinking of giving it a go. Should I play Crystal vanilla, Crystal modded, or HG/SS?

>>16683573

HG/SS or Crystal with a romhack that adds QOL features. Depends on which aesthetic you prefer.

>>16680904

whoops, meant to quote >>16680715 here

>>16681084

>>16681141

>>16681408

>>16681888

>It has a main game on par with XY; in other words its manages to be below fucking average in the main game

Except that's litterally wrong. The main game of XY or ORAS is pretty objectively better then for RBY, GSC, the original RSE, and DP at least, which would put them at least right in the middle of the series, only below arguably Platinum, HGSS, BW, BW2, and SM and USM.

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The problem with XY and ORAS aren't that they are bad, it's that they are dissapointing and could have been much better. see >>16675537

>>16680990

Justify how the main game of XY is worse then the main game of GS, considering XY has better presentation, a wider variety of pokemon, way more quality of life features, a wider variety of moves and items, the physical special split, the PSS, super training, amie, etc.

>>16683590

>muh pogaymans, muh features

Thats not the main game, the main game is the trainers; as in the things you actually need to fight to beat the game.

XY and ORAS fails at that level, something only gen 1 really shares.

>>16683879

>Thats not the main game, the main game is the trainers; as in the things you actually need to fight to beat the game.

What the fuck does this even mean, that the only thing that matters for the quality of the main game is the enemy trainers and their teams and that's it? That's fucking retarded.

>>16683898

Yes it is much more important to the main game than the other factors.

The entire true main game is the trainers, thats all you're forced to fight 99% of the time.

The main game does not matter if this part is bad, more mons and features are merely toppings.; they can make a good or decent meal better but can't save a bad one.

>>16683913

Like, i'm not gonna site here and claim that XY's trainers aren't casualized, because that'd be dishonest, but in practice they really just have less mons, and considering that none of the NPC trainers in prior games were a real challenge either, it's arguably that all XY is really doing is cutting down the grind.

Anyways your assertion that that's all that matters is fucking moronic. Access to new moves, new gimmicks like amie, quality of life shit like multiple registration buttons, etc matters a lot.

>>16683959

The difference between gen 6 and other gens NPC trainers is that it doesn't even muster up any resistance; making the main game painfully boring.

>Anyways your assertion that that's all that matters is fucking moronic.

Okay then explain to me how the main game isn't what matters to the main game.

Dexnav isn't what your forced to fight through to get access to more shit.

>>16683959

>Access to new moves, new gimmicks like amie, quality of life shit like multiple registration buttons, etc matters a lot

Not really, that's all just polish. The actual core of the game is fighting trainers and exploring the region, and gen 6 fails at both of those.

Why do you think people played games in the past before they had all those extra features? It's not because people in the 80s and 90s didn't know any better, it's because the games were fun in spite of how primitive they were.

>>16676664

>Why?

Because it's cute

>>16673408

>>16673408

Put B2/W2 in great tier and I can approve

>>16681408

I don't know exactly what you're referring to with "broken tool," but pretty much all trainers were buffed slightly from the original games. And some trainers were extensively buffed for the post-game, such as Wally and the Elite Four.

>>16684762

>encore and yawn on a truant mon

What were they thinking?

>>16684656

why, anything wrong about it?

>>16685163

>but in the later game the levels were raised

That's because there are more trainers in the game, so the player gains more levels. The overall difficulty is still lower than the originals, and definitely lower than Emerald.

>>16685400

If you're really desperate for a challenge there still are places to find it though, like ORAS' E4 rematches. Theoretically speaking if you beat the Elite 4 normally and felt they weren't a challenge the very first thing you should do in ORAS is go back and challenge them again. After you beat them once they become the strongest Elite 4 of any game.

>>16687688

>It used to be ghost and dragon were the least common types

Dunno why ghost jumped up, but with dragon it's because they have add five new dragon legendaries every gen.

>>16687764

>The entire game is mind-numbingly easy to the point of boredom

>But it's okay because the Elite Four are tough

Four battles cannot redeem an entire game.

Best gen 2 romhacks from best to worst

1. Crystal Clear 2.0 BETA (the non-nigger'd version)

2. Perfect Crystal (just vanilla Crystal but with all 251 available)

3. Polished Crystal (changes core mechanics to include nu-gen stuff, also furry bait)

>>16687855

>cuckchanneler can't into non-wojack memes

>>16688236

it only triggers me because your taste in grass fire psychic, ground, flying, and steel are shit, even for gen 1 and gen 2.

>>16688262

>Bayleef

The gen 2 starter that easily takes care of Whitney's Miltank whereas the chinese rat and flintstone croc get their ass annihilated by the cow.

>Growlithe

OG Fire Dog badass police K9.

>Slowking

Mad because it's not Alakazam or Mewtwo?

>Cubone

Literally me. The cutest Pokémon with an emotional background. Its evolution makes it more badass but less cute.

>Farfetch'd

Ultimate end-game utility mon with FLY, CUT, False Swipe for catching and Thief to get rare items.

Get on my level.

>Magneton

Steelix has retarded teeth, Scizor is edgy. Forretress is forgettable. It was either Magneton or Skarmory, and Magneton is cooler in my objective and superior opinion

>>16688324

>Scizor is edgy

How? He's too round to be edgy.

>>16688163

it's inaccurate to say perfect crystal is "just" Crystal with all 251 mons since there are many other small but great changes, such as reuseable TMs, uncensored sprites, restoration of the GS Ball event, balance changes for trainer levels, and a few other minute changes I can't recall.

>>16687832

Game isn't any less difficult than RS (which aren't even hard anyway). If it is, then really prove it. Megas and EXP Share are handicaps for kids. Also being an eight-year old retard is not an excuse for why RS was harder for you ORAS.

>>16688324

>not trading a worthless abra for a machop to lolshrek the miltank

Pokemon has always been shit and never will be better.

>>16687869

>1996 black nd white RBY bettr thn modern technology games with objectively better gameplay.

We know that genwunning is retarded, but that doesn't mean you have to say it using the perspective of a normalkike.

No Probopass liking goys here?

>>16688524

What is there to like about it?

>>16688527

I thought it was obvious that it is a literal happy merchant.

>>16688550

I thought you meant you actually liked the pokemon.

>>16688550

I got good news for you >>16688084

>>16688163

You can shill all you want, but Crystal Clear is never gonna be a good romhack. It's a novelty at best

>>16688324

>The gen 2 starter that easily takes care of Whitney's Miltank whereas the chinese rat and flintstone croc get their ass annihilated by the cow.

I never understood the people that said Whitney's Miltank was hard. I've never at trouble with it regardless which starter I picked, you had too many options available to you for your starters to deal with it at that point. You don't even need to grind.

>>16688775

Whitney's Miltank used attract which meant if your Pokemon were male it would be helpless as she would attack and heal herself without retribution. Needless to say, wasn't too bad with a female equipped.

>>16688775

Because people are retards and keep trying to fight her with a team consisting of quilava, pigeotto and beedrill. These are the same people who think gen 2 was the peak of the series.

>>16688775

>Pokemon can follow you like in HG/SS

>Unique sprites for each 251 mon in party screen

>novelty

Nah, the amount of detail and work that went into CC is unparalleled, no other romhack compares.

>>16690067

Yes that shit is novelties, its not a part of the main game.

Novelty doesn't mean "doesn't make experience better" but that it is not actually important.

CC is very much a novelty game, open world is a huge meme.

It might have 5000 bells and whistles, but thats not all that goes into making a good game.

>>16688869

How could Platinum be God tier when Diamond and Pearl were so fucking shit?

>>16690406

First versions tend to be shit in general, and i'd argue outside of the speed DP is solid.

>>16690067

>a few hundred sprites are an "unparalled" effort

Even Reborn had more work put into it than CC.

>>16690361

Reading the changelog/documentation and telling yourself it's just "novelty" you must be brain damaged.

CC is packed with content and fixes while remaining link compatible with the vanilla games because it doesn't change the core fundamentals. It's the only romhack with little conveniences like

>Automatically turn around after healing to avoid talking to nurse again

>Hold B for running shoes, same speed as bike

>Option for fast wild encounters

>Option for soft-resetting for hunting shiny gifts

>"Reset Clock" is part of main menu

>ONLY romhack to allow you to see DVs and Hidden Power types, making it viable to build competitive teams and switch them to RBY/GSC/Stadium

>All TMs available in dept. store after 8 badges

It's not novelty, it's literally Crystal+.

It makes vanilla Crystal obsolete.

If you still want the linear handholding and Team Rocket story elements, play Perfect Crystal. But most have already played through the story countless times so CC is exactly the dream game for a veteran.

Shitting on CC just outs you as a Polished Crystal nu-gen furryfag.

>>16690452

>get Told and proven wrong

>"lol y u so serious i dunt even care bout pokeymen"

Surrender accepted.

>>16690467

Maybe you should learn how to read IDs sometime. I'm just here to snipe at the vidyafags.

>>16690448

muh competitive mons, you are ten times more autistic than "furry nu-genners".

The link shit is basically worthless for anyone who isn't terminally autistic.

A crystal+ it may be, but crystal isn't exactly the apex of design. It is literally crystal with a bunch of bells and whistles as i said.

Fuck your Clear Crystal cancer

whens Red++ V4?

>>16690406

Because Platinum fixed all of D/P's problems on top of environmental improvements and a massive expansion to the post-game.

>>16690448

>Automatically turn around after healing to avoid talking to nurse again

Are you fucking serious right now? THIS is the feature you open up your shitty argument with? Jesus Christ, just hold down on the Dpad.

>Hold B for running shoes, same speed as bike

A staple in just about every hack these days.

>Option for fast wild encounters

You will be playing this on an emulator, unless you have autism, and they all have turbo mode.

>Option for soft-resetting for hunting shiny gifts

<Shiny hunting.

Vid related. This is you.

>"Reset Clock" is part of main menu

Because it's that hard to input a code on the main screen and formulate a password online?

>ONLY romhack to allow you to see DVs and Hidden Power types, making it viable to build competitive teams and switch them to RBY/GSC/Stadium

<Competitive teams in Gen 2\Stadium.

Please stop. I am dying from laughter. But just for the sake of an argument, you can do what you described either with gameshark, within the game, or cut the bullshit and just use a save editor.

>All TMs available in dept. store after 8 badges

See above.

Holy shit. I am starting to suspect this is bait. Crystal Clear used to have potential with it's open world design idea, but it was drowned out under a million discuck user OC trainers placed everywhere, including outright replacing the elite four and turning almost every other character in the game into a nigger.

>>16691396

>A staple in just about every hack these days.

I remember back in the day when an LPer called my hack innovative for being the first to do that. I was genuinely surprised to find I was the first to have done that. It seemed like such an obvious improvement to include.

>>16673408

This is objectively correct.

>>16680585

HGSS also takes like five goddamn minutes to kill a caterpie in a single move because of how fucking bad the engine is. Four if you turn animations off.

Charizard

Gyarados

Rhydon is badass as fuck

Typhlosion

Genghar

I don't really like the look of him, but for some reason I always go after alakazam, or kadabra, if I can't get him.

The new starter gen pokemon always suck and look like shit, and it is depressing.

>>16693231

What the fuck are you on about? They've moved in complete opposite directions design wise

>>16693231

Digimon is punk

Pokemon is the trend-hopping mainstream

>>16693339

>Started with highly detailed designs that have clothing on, because it doesn't not make sense that these beings made of data given physical form could have clothing on.

Fucking hell i need to start proofreading my own posts

>Started with highly detailed designs that having clothing on, doesn't not make sense as these beings made of data given physical form could have clothing on.

>>16693339

>muh data

Every time. It's not an excuse to have shit designs.

>>16693343

>punk

>not a trend-obsessed fashion movement

>>16691396

Gen 2 has the best metagame you retard.

>>16695428

I don't think so. They might still be working on it. I dunno.

>>16675537

Most of the shit you're talking about is either subjective (saying it looks like dogshit) or doesn't matter unless you're a minmaxing tourneyfag trying to play a game competitively when even at high levels the gameplay mostly involves grinding for weeks only for the actual battles to consist of just praying to the RNG gods.

>The only times a prior Pokemon Game has been better then a newer one even arguably has been when you go from a thid version to a new gen and miss out on functionality (IE Emerald > DP, and to a lesser extent Crystal > R/S); and then gen 6/7 is very debatably inferior to gen 5 and PT/HGSS for similar reasons.

How could you not list Gen II being better than III? III removed more features than it added. Can't even trade over your old pokemon. But then they don't even give you a whole new pokedex, so you get a random smattering of old ones, which only serve to remind you of the old ones you already caught but can't trade over, including a bunch that you can't get PERIOD. Oh wait, don't worry goy, we'll sell you remakes. The best selling games of all time from only like five years ago, which we already tried to sell you three times. Buy it twice more! But even that isn't enough to get all the Pokemon you already had before we broke compatibility! Buy a Nintendo Gamecube, and a Game Boy Advance to Gamecube Link Cable! And then two Gamecube games, and make sure you get the special edition bonus discs!

Also, fuck Day/Night cycles and week cycles. Have fun getting Espeon and Umbreon.

Took until Gen IV to re-add most of the things that were lost to III, and even that was with more remakes. At least Platinum fixed a lot of things on its own though.

>>16680727

>Half of the pokemon get handicapped or completely neutered by pre split.

It's not a big deal because competitive pokemon sucks anyway. The fact of the matter is that most pokemon are just boxes to mark off on a checklist, so I really don't give much of a shit about the stuff you're complaining about.

>>16693231

Digimon started edgy and became waifus. Pokemon started with more realistic looking animals and then became more cartoony. Less edgy, if anything.

>>16696424

> Pokemon started with more realistic looking animals and then became more cartoony

>Mr Mime, Jynx, Magneton, Diglet, voltorb

>realistic

The artstyle's changed over the years but don't try to bullshit me with saying it was more "realistic" when that shit existed from the start.

>>16696441

Does it hurt to be as stupid as you? Do you even have the brain capacity to understand concepts like "the exception, not the rule"? There is an extremely obvious shift towards more cartoony designs. That there were outlandish designs from the start doesn't change that the designs have become much more outlandish.

I can't even imagine how it's possible to be as stupid as you are. Do you also believe that whites commit as many terrorist attacks as muslims? It's essentially the same as your retarded claim; that the frequency of something happening doesn't matter, only that it does at all.