/v/ - Video Games

>whining about $30/h sitting at a desk

>>16645999

They have to work for 12 that day to make $30/h.

>Sometimes, they’re allowed to scrounge for leftovers an hour later, once the non-testing staff have gotten to eat.

>When Treyarch sends out surveys about company health, testers aren’t included.

Is this even legal? I feel like they're breaking multiple labor laws.

>quality assurance team treated worse than garbage

>quality control for the games are pretty much nonexistent

Hm.

>Sometimes, they’re allowed to scrounge for leftovers an hour later

That feels actively evil, what the fuck is wrong with the video game industry?

>>16645999

Nigger, the vast majority clearly make around 13 which is abysmal for those conditions. One fag getting paid 30 means they can count him as part of a "range" but its obvious where the pay is towards.

I'd like to make a living as a QA for good games, but I doubt I'll be "hired" for anything that isn't Ubishit or AAA. It sucks.

>>16646001

Laws don't do a fat load of good if companies aren't brought to justice, and do you think l the testers in OP are in much of a position to do that?

>>16646017

>it's karma for making shitty games and being a blight upon this industry

Hey anon. You. You are fucking retarded. What karma are you talking about? That some employees are getting exploited? THAT'S your idea of karma? The higher-ups are just exploiting them with no impact whatsoever and this is, supposedly, "karma". How smart of you.

>contractors

If they're contractors, what do they expect? They're not part of the company and if they negotiate shitty deals that allows them to work 70h/week without proper compensation maybe they shouldn't work as contractors? I've worked as a contractor for years and the people who you work for are not your employer, they're you're fucking customer, They're not obliged to buy you food, invite you to parties or anything. They're paying by the hour and expect you to work all that time or you get the hell out. It's a shitty business but if you can't deal with that then you get employment in some other business.

>>16646017

You got it all wrong.

These guys are the one's testing the games, suposedly making sure they games are good.

But they're treated like shit, to the point where they don't give a fuck, they just want to get it over with. What do you think happens to the game afterwards?

Granted: they're paid to play videogames 64 hours per week, but on the other hand, they might be playing the same videogame, and the same part of it for hours upon end.

Imagine being paid to be DSP. That's their job, dude.

>>16646017

Literally retarded.

>>16646017

>>16646031

>>16646036

>corporate ass kissers

Apologists like you are the reason this even happens, normalfags make the same rationalizations that allow them to morally support these companies.

>>16646017

>>16646036

These aren't the devs being treated poorly you actual retard, it's the QA staff.

>>16646038

Fuck you /leftypol/, nobody wants you here.

>>16646042

Get a better fucking job. Why should I care about workers with that kind of job? Literal skilless losers that cry about playing games. "Quality Assurance" glorified beta testers

Do we have an Activision Defense Force on this board or something?

>dude fuck employees lmao

>why are all games bad now?!?

The lack of cognitive capacity is astounding, it's like there are people who can't understand that there's a link between these things.

>>16646042

The QA department is the one getting the biggest shaft, though the article remarks on how sudden changes in direction of the game ("scrap everything, we're making a BR nao") inflicts neverending crunch on the devs, and by extent the QA guys as well.

>>16646059

>>16646050

>>16646048

It's not because they're testers, it's because they are contractors, are you niggers retarded? The whole point of employing contractors is that they are temporary and replaceable because you need an influx of workers that you can let go at any time. If anything Volt is the company to blame here that allow their employees to be treated in this way. It has nothing to do with corporate dicksucking, it's about entitled soyboys who think they work for Treyarch when they actually don't.

Actually, there's more absurd shit in here.

>Treyarch contractors get a limited number of sick days, but no paid time off. Taking vacations means giving up a salary for those days or weeks.

I'm starting to think that Kotaku and these supposed contractors have no fucking idea what contract work actually means. Sage for double post and holy shit I am mad.

>>16646067

While I have no sympathy for these guys, because they helping to make shit games, I have to point out it's pretty hard to get a not a temp/contractor job these days if it's not retail.

>>16646073

Game QA is unskilled labor so yeah, do like >>16646076 and get a marketable skill. Or don't sell your soul to jews just to make video games if you do in fact have marketable skills.

>>16646089

t. NEET

>>16646093

now* fuck my proofreading

>>16646091

Are you willfully being retarded?

Sometimes I wonder why there aren't more Australian teams developing games.

Then articles like this come out and I remember our labour laws wouldn't let shit like this fly for a fucking second.

Jesus Christ this industry is rotten from the ground up, from the top down, and there's a fucking cancer in the middle.

>>16646093

Even pharmacists jobs are stuck in this contractor job hell as well in the states. Still make good pay though.

I bet the testers are all Asian immigrants that would be deported if they got fired.

>>16646099

/leftypol/ just get out

>>16646091

t. grocery store employee that just got promoted to jr. store manager

>>16646110

>not sucking the cock of jewish companies is being /trannypol/

I mean i get reddit recently shut down your containment subreddit but why do you come here instead ?

>the janitors of the industry are treated like janitors!

>class war now!

>>16645999

You have no idea how bad desk jobs can get.

>>16645989

>Activision treats Treyarch employees like borderline slaves

Treyach, not Activision.

>>16646167

Costs of living are way cheaper in your 3rd world shithole so dont complain.

>>16646168

Details. They still need to burn.

Most companies separate developers and testers. As for the poor treatment, that is how expendable employees are treated everywhere. Game developers do not get paid much. Their special treatment is likely to prevent them from leaving and getting paid significantly more elsewhere. Few get paid six figures, which is fairly common outside of the industry.

>>16646099

>how can you even begin to justify that a person working an honest job to be treated like a nigger?

It's simple, really.

>Low Salary

Game testers are more replaceable than light bulbs. If you want a better pay, there's someone else willing to do the same job for whatever we are paying you at the moment, so don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Whatever knowledge you think you have about videogame design, it's not enough to compete with anyone on the Dev team or you'd be there instead. All we need is that you point out bugs, missing textures, bad collision boxes and feedback on the gameplay. And with analytics and telemetry, that last part won't be really necessary from you for much longer, not to mention how formulaic most design tends to be.

>Crunch Hours

See above. You'll work these hours or someone else will.

>Having to park away, work on another floor and not having the same meals.

Get this through your thick skull, you're not part of the company. You're an outsider brought in to help with some work but you're a third party. We are not hiring you to join the team, we're sub-contracting our QA testing to you. The only difference between you and a pajeet intern is that we kinda expect you to understand English.

We are not going to give the benefits we give our actual dev team to some random nobodies that are lucky they even have a job in the first place since there's no special reason to hire you over the next schmuck that knocks our door.

Or to put it in simpler terms: None of these guys are worth anything special and they aren't actually part of the company, so obviously they won't be paid anything special or treated as if they were on the dev team.

>>16646195

Luckily you aren't paying 1250/mo for rent

>>16646200

>dramatically

800/mo further inland which is still pretty steep, it doesn't hit affordable (400/mo ish) until you hit bumfuck nowhere middle america and then you can barely find work anyway.

Some places bring food carts around with pastries, cookies, and sweets. Right to your desk. While that sounds great, there is only $30 of products given out, and they can save $1000 by making devs feel special. Same with buying pizzas for devs so they work in the evening. They're salary. They don't get paid extra for working late. Chinese dev companies hire women to act as cheerleaders and comfort devs while they work.

>>16646211

> stay in your shitty high-rise apartment in the city.

>stay in your moms basement forever bro

Wow, America sounds awesome. Every apartment comes with it's own basement!

>>16646214

Townhomes often have basements.

>>16646219

Townhomes are actually classified as proper homes and not apartments, even if they're attached townhomes, and even if you're renting them

>t. rented a townhome with friends until the 1 year lease was up

>>16646058

Activision can and always will be a shitty company, but that doesn't mean that everyone slighted by them is an innocent angel who dindu nuffin and deserves pity and ass-kissing. The testers are a bunch of dumb cunts for putting themselves in this situation and agreeing to work on these terms, while allowing themselves to be treated like above ground morlocks. If they weren't a bunch of dumb, pitiful cunts, they wouldn't be in this situation.

>CTLR F "union"

>no results

At least the false dichotomy cocksuckers haven't showed up yet.

>>16646238

So they should have formed an union?

>>16646242

>>16646253

LMAO

But seriously, that would potentially just make things worse.

A union would just make outrages demands from the company so Treyarch would start to avoid hiring anyone part of a union, while every tester would be paying to be part of it even if they get no job to earn a salary.

Even if there's enough union members that Treyarch has to hire some of them (and this is a pyramid scheme being successful, so its terrible already) all that happens is that they'll hire less people for the same amount of work. If the current conditions sound bad, imagine 12 hours every single day of the week.

On top of that, I did mention analytics and telemetry before for a reason. A lot of companies use that shit to gather data regarding how to develop their games, patch shit and do the next iteration, crafting a formula they can repeat every generation.

What's the point in paying a QA team to tell you how it "feels" to play the game or what they like\dislike about it when you can harvest data from thousands of players in real time with no bias?

Consider how "cinematic" most games feel in the first hours and how lack luster their ending tends to be. Then consider all those achievement stats were only a small handful of people ever reach the ending of a game, for instance.

The "automation" argument that's used in other industries (that jobs will be replaced once it's cost effective to have a robot doing your job instead) happens just the same here. Just because it's not a robot, it doesn't mean it's not automation. And while a Union can fight to make your job better, it can't really do much to actually secure you a job especially when most of their work makes your job less cost-effective for the company.

>>16645989

why does anyone even get a qa job at this point? it's pretty much the most widely known shit tier job their is and you don't even have the excuse of trying to 'break in to the industry' anymore when a of couple neets with gamemaker can do that on their own

>>16646211

>>16646204

>>16646200

what are cool places to live anons?

i wanna move somewhere but idk where to go

money isn't that much of an issue, rent here starts at like 2000 a month for anything without roomates

>>16646260

>What's the point in paying a QA team to tell you how it "feels" to play the game or what they like\dislike about it

Anon, QA is about finding bugs to get them fixed, and involved monotonous repetition of various tasks to find ways to break the game. They aren't actually playing a game and talking about how "wicked sweet that explosion on level three is, yo." That's what random people pulled off the street are used for to see if their alpha/beta build is on the right track to be sold to normalfags (see Valve's history on playtesters resulting in the simplification of their level design because one idiot moved in a circle for an hour).

>>16645989

>2019

>still choosing to work as a QA

>expecting to be respected for something a 12 year old with basic English and gaming knowledge can do

GET A REAL FUCKING JOB, IDIOTS. YOU DON'T NEED TO KNOW ANYTHING TO TEST GAMES. LITERALLY ANYONE CAN DO IT. GO DO SOMETHING THAT TAKES SKILL. Testing games should be nothing more than a summer job for college students and high-schoolers trying to make some pocket change.

>>16646260

>Even if there's enough union members that Treyarch has to hire some of them (and this is a pyramid scheme being successful, so its terrible already) all that happens is that they'll hire less people for the same amount of work. If the current conditions sound bad, imagine 12 hours every single day of the week.

If they're hiring workers part of an union I'd imagine they'd already have negotiated more favorable working conditions than that

>What's the point in paying a QA team to tell you how it "feels" to play the game or what they like\dislike about it when you can harvest data from thousands of players in real time with no bias?

To find bugs before the game gets released???

You seem to be confusing QA with actual playtesting. Playtesters are just randos to give devs an idea of how other people might feel about their game. QA people actually have to like their name suggest assure the quality, and this involve testing every possible state and interaction there is in the game, to hug every part of the level with every possible combination of items and to do every possible action a player could undertake, in order to discover any bugs or things that aren't working the way they should. Given how different every game is it's not something you can easily automate, nor may a robot detect problems the same way a human can in a game made to be played by humans.

It's an exhausting task that requires you to play the game in the most no-fun allowed ways possible, though it's necessary to nip the bugs in the bud before they get in the release version.

>>16646321

You're the first person I've seen here in years to use dick size as an insult in a pseudo-video game discussion

>>16646330

Almost as if he doesn't actually belong here.

>>16645989

Wait, so it's a contractor no-skill job, right? So people who are not really employees, playing video games all day long. $13/hour is a dollar above Cali minimum wage, and being around minimum wage seems about right for a job literally anyone can do without much effort. Sure, it's boring, but so are most such jobs. There would be an argument to be made that even they should be treated as equals in a collective… except they're contractors, so not really part of the collective. They aren't employees of Treyarch so of course they do not get to partake in parties and the like. Would you let a plumber, who came to fix your toilet, take part in your family's birthday party going on on the other floor? No, you'd maybe give him some cake and expect him to GTFO after the job is done, not hang around for hours.

>>16645989

>quality assurance testers

> testers

Worst people from human king. Even niggers not this bad.

>>16646321

damn dude that roast sure got to my very core.

it isn't your right to drink at work when the company organizes a party for a department that is not yours.

it isn't your obligation to spend time working overtime because (at least in western countries), overtime is purely voluntary work that is usually paid 200% or something the initial payrate PLUS free meal. your performance report shouldn't mention the lack of overtime because it is voluntary, not mandatory, so you can't be judged on something you're not contractually obligated to fulfill.

you don't have to have any specialized knowledge on the gaming industry, they only care that you play video games and that you can report a bug. You know how long that takes you to learn? 2 days tops. why would a company pay any more than minimum wage for shit that a kid can do?

Source: me, I was a game tester for Ubisoft

>>16646001

It is clear that lunch isn't included in the contract of the testers, so them being offered leftovers is a freebie, and entirely informal.

As for them being discouraged from speaking to the developers, it is pretty much like extras being told not to talk to principle actors. It disturbs them and wastes their time while the tester/extra wants a touch of fame. It could also be because they don't want testers having direct influence on developers and vice versa, that's why they have a testing department and a head of testing etc.

Sounds like some whiney faggots.

They are paid for overtime and beyond overtime, it's all legal. If they don't want to work there, then stop working there.

They aren't individually important, they aren't doing a difficult job, they have no specialised skills, they aren't creating anything and they are infinitely replaceable. They aren't paid 15 million bonuses because they aren't the head of the company.

If it was the actual developers being treated like this, it would be another matter, since they are highly skilled, at the top of their game and creating something.

>>16646038

they applied for the job, were told the conditions, accepted the job and choose to continue working there.

your and their pathetic victim status is reason enough for you to kill yourself.

Why the testers? I've heard of shit businesses treating all their low level employees like shit but this sounds like somebody really hates the testers.

>>16646347

For your sake I hope Ubisoft hired playtesters only to say they had them.

>>16646317

If what you say is true, I have even less respect for QA since you literally need no knowledge at all, just mash every button and try everything.

It's precisely like line work in factories, a simple task that you'll perform several times every day that you could teach a monkey to perform.

>>16646321

You do not have the Right to an high pay salary just because you're working. You earn one because of how important or valuable you are. Same thing for bonus or work conditions. If you never bother to make yourself more valuable than literally anyone else, you're going to be treated and rewarded like so.

>>16646089

>anime avatar

>tranny

>/tranny/

If they have the skill set of slaves, they will be used as slaves.

If they were qualified to do anything apart from play games and fill out questionaires, they would be doing that instead.

>>16646366

It's actually in the article that they do hate the testers because a fired tester leaked a bunch of shit last year. Also contractors are considered subhumans usually which also makes them hated.

>>16646190

>we

faggot larping as though he is the head of Activision.

more likely a faggot working on his first android app game for furries with a total of 2.5 people in the 'company', him and his live-in faggot boyfriend + aids.

>>16646214

americans are bots and write without any sense or reason, it's just a series of buzzwords and set phrases.

>>16646367

This thread is about QA/QC testers, not playtesters. Playtesters are not paid AFAIK because they're not employees, they're part of the target audience who are invited to play the upcoming game and give feedback on the game itself.

The QC testers themselves report bugs, but they're either detected too late in the development process, they're not what the focus on the tasks demands or the devs simply decided that fixing this bug will break the game, so they either don't fix the bug or remove the feature altogether in order to keep the deadline. Other times end-users report bugs happening to them which never happened during the testing process and even after spending 2 months looking for that specific bug, nothing is found. Add to that the low motivation to do the same monotonous shit every day for 8 hours or more and shit will slip through the cracks. I had a colleague who went bald from the stress because he went to overtime 7 days a week everyday for 6 months. He started taking medication for his hair and stopped working overtime. After 6 more months, his hair grew back, but it was clear he was hating his life. You have to really have nothing going for you to stick in QA for more than an year or two.

>>16646393

Samefagging - the colleague who fucked up his health for work didn't get any reward AFAIK, other than the usual payraise.

>>16646195

>tfw less developed country

Should I move out if I get the chance or try and stick it out in the hopes that things will improve or even improve things myself?

>>16646398

You have more of a chance to build your own company and make a difference in your own country.

In a foreign country you will become the equivalent of the low-skilled slaves in op's post.

>>16646409

they'll cut hours and the over time pay will go with it.

the 80% of testers who weren't complaining will lose work because of a few whiney dwarves that will leave the company in a couple of months anyway.

>>16646409

It's corporate newspeak. Nothing will be changed. The most vocal ones will be fired for "other reasons" and more obedient sheep will be hired in their stead. Just get high-school graduates and you're set.

>>16646409

>If you're not happy just talk with your manager, you totally won't get singled out for not being a 'team player' and replaced within the month

>>16646433

>entering the industry?

You have made your first mistake. Go Indie

>>16646440

Not the game development industry, anon. I'm talking IT in general right now. Believe me, I have no desire of applying to a game development company, only developing games on the side.

>started as a frontline tech support skillless nigger 8.5 dollarydoos per hour

>worked my ass off for 4 years

>took every opportunity to work more and to study and get certifications

>got promoted 2 times to a much more difficult but also comfy job that makes me irreplaceable

>boss loves me and goes liberal with days off on short notice, weekend shifts (paid about 250%) and occasional free shit

>my latest salary was twice as big, 17 dollars counted per hour, plus 2.5 kilobux yearly bonus

>it is actually a great salary in my country putting me somewhere right in the middle of "middle class", considering my wife doesn't work

Those contractniggers need to git gud tbh.

>>16646433

Depends entirely on what do you do with it anon.

Only California where you can earn $20 an hour plus overtime and still not make enough to live.

>>16646433

I was paid 12/hr assembling weeble wobble stools few years back in a machine shop that didn't have a working AC that got up to 100 degrees in the summer. So your probably getting underpaid, but on the other hand it beats what I did.

>>16646390

A good day would be if one of the cucks snapped and shot up the CEO or board of directors.

The developers are graduates and better qualified / educated that's why QA contractors are treated differently. Technically they aren't even employees.

>QA being treated like shit

no shit sherlock! QA is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to development, some compánies have even managed to trick their consummers into doing this kind of work for free calling it a "season pass"

anyone can be a tester, all you need is to not be a complete retard but you do not need any kind of skills or knowledge to enter QA, in other words, those who enter QA are expendable and replaceable

i understand QA would be seen a level inferior to Devs (becos as far as skills are concerned, they probably are) but this shitty treatment really takes the cake, it's like the diference between novility and peasants in feudal times

Activision devs should look at QA and see their future just like Merica should look at India and see theirs, becos that's exactly where they are heading, their company is owned by chincksand they won't stop until they can get away with giving everyone the slave/peasant treatment

>>16646433

I get paid 15.5 per hour in the middle of nowhere building airplane parts in a comfy facility with amazing benefits. So yeah you're basically dirt.

the entire idea behind internships is to get your foot in the door so you better be working your ass off and making connections if you plan to be going anywhere with it

>>16646473

Developers are treated marginally better, sure, but crunch is the kind of shit kikes need to get gassed for. Also, good QA is crucial to ensure a game is released in a playable state.

The whole industry is a fucking gulag, which is no surprise since it's ruled over by leftists subhumans.

>>16646485

It's kind of impressive the kikes shat out a product that treats everyone involved with either making or playing it (barring a few dozen kikes sniffing coke out of the anus of a little boy) like absolute dogshit.

>>16646485

Whatever happened to the progression system? you used to be able to unlock this shit by getting X kills or X headshots

>>16646056

>>16646059

Not "employees". Contractors. Don't like it? Negotiate a better contract or find work elsewhere. Is the company running roughshod over them? Probably. But they need to stop being fucking neckbeard commies who think they are owed something, understand they are contractors, and stop selling their services for shit rates and terms.

>>16646515

no, get lucky enough to get it i the loot crate, pay activision for a "limited time offer" in the shop, if what you want shows up, or pay for "tiers" for limited time items you will never be able to get again. you can technically get those last ones for free, but that requires literal hundreds of hours of time played within 1 or 2 months time

>>16646515

All of that has been replaced by virtual currency and loot boxes. People forget that Activision even has a patent for matchmaking where you will be matched with people that have kit that directly counters yours, followed by a devastating loss and advertisements for your opponents kit. They have zero interest in making actual games, they will do anything to extract money and make an exit in less than 5 years.

You make not like it, but this is what late stage (((Capitalism))) looks like.

>>16645999

While I slave for $3/h here in eastern europe…

Nigger you sit at a fucking desk who cares, you don't do real work

>>16646000

People working data entry in courthouses, prisons and police offices work the same hours with required overtime for 15.00. Keep crying.

>>16646581

make a comeback, I mean. don't mind the spelling mistakes, I wrote all this with one hand, you can guess what the other one was used for

>>16646433

Don't get into internships. You will buy coffee and food and generally be a waiter for whatever manager you're assigned to. You won't learn anything.

>>16646547

>>16646537

is there any good way to implement unlocks without them being grindy as fuck or too easy to get?

>>16646106

>we don't have to treat you nice!

>woah why are you unionizing and becoming leftists

good job dude

>>16646628

Do like warframe and tie equipment to test missions, want to get the big dick sniper? Use a shittier one to the bewt of your skill. Either you git gud or are relegated as shitter

>>16646628

leveled unlocks, keep important stuff like weapons and abilities tied to level, better being unlocked later, obviously. cosmetic stuff unlocked via challenges, so that people knew you had to work for it

this isn't big brain stuff, many companies used this system before, but loot crates simply give them a fatter paycheck

>>16646106

I'd like to see you argue the same thing about the garbagemen cleaning your town and the people who get paid to literally clean your shit. You don't need skills to sweep the streets and scoop up shit, but I'd also like to see you live your life without their services.

>>16646583

that's a ridiculous attitude anon, people getting tired of globalist shit and wanting higher wages is why Trump got elected

before you sperg about his tax-cuts, I'm talking about his economic policies. if Trump pushed more worker's rights he'd basically be a classical democrat.

>>16646647

Unions kill industry, so good, let them unionize and watch it all burn to the ground. People wanting more money for doing less work is the bane of humanity and I hope it crashes the entire VG industry so then maybe people will start making good shit again

>>16646672

>Unions kill industry, so good, let them unionize and watch it all burn to the ground.

I would not mind.

>People wanting more money for doing less work is the bane of humanity

What? That should be the GOAL of humanity. When humanity has enough free-time that's when all the geniuses are able to do their work for the love it.

>>16646373

>avatar

>complaining about anime

Fuck off you r/the_cucknald reject

>>16646003

How naive are you fags? It's pretty common to share food after a party. Either the staff take it home or they offer it round the office. It's like when you have spare cake you don't throw it out you let others do it.

QA testers are not part of the dev team. They're a separate entity the same way a cleaner isn't part of the dev team. They want to be treated way above their station and think Gabe is going to be their best friend now. It's stupid kids with stupid expectations whining they have to do their job.

>>16646690

>When humanity has enough free-time that's when all the geniuses are able to do their work for the love it

When people have more free time they're going to waste it like always. When people have less money and less time they learn to optimize their time for the best. There's 0 geniuses in the world today which really says something

>>16646723

>When people have more free time they're going to waste it like always

Good, let them. Being on here is a complete waste as-is playing videogames. It'd make more sense to hear what you're saying from a coal-miner, but I suppose even coal-miners want more free time to spend on their family.

>>16646628

Depends on the game. In a FPS, not really because all weapons should be balanced and used in different scenarios. Imagine Quake 3 having the rocket launcher locked behind a pay wall. Fucks up the balance.

In CoD whatever it makes no difference what gun you're using within each class and you will have 1 of each class.

>>16646583

>People put up with inhuman work conditions for less

Doesn't make the work conditions any less shit. Also, that's their fault if they value themselves so lowly they'll do outrageous hours for only $15/hr and they have no one to blame but themselves

>>16646778

>if they value themselves so lowly

maybe that's realistic value? I mean someone with actual skills would go to do something else

>>16646778

>you have to make ends meet so we can do whatever we want with you!

lol ok

>>16646106

<just, like work harder or quit

look who's trying so hard to kiss the boomers' asses

>>16646583

<Keep crying.

Only a hipster can say childish bullshit like that.

>>16646709

>>16646755

>It's pretty common to share food after a party.

<they're not slaves you bigot they're uh just voluntary part timers :^)

>>16646827

>>16646433

Definitely worth it don't listen to these retards. They are kids and NEETs. We both know how important internships are bro stick with it

>>16646802

You say as if they don't have a choice. It's your fault if you go work data entry for a place that demands those kinds of hours. There's tens of thousands of data entry jobs for hundreds of thousands of businesses. if you sign up to be treated like a slave when you have the skills to go elsewhere, you're a fucking dipshit and I'm going to laugh at you.

>>16646905

>shills on damage control

>>16646211

Fucking stay in your communist shithole. We don't need anymore of you niggers, much less a fucking dipshit that spends his time on image boards, over here. You people end up trying to change my city into your communist hellhole.

>>16646947

>You say as if they don't have a choice.

you're justifying abuse from big corporations, not the labor from drones. nothing justifies abuse dude, I have no idea how you can say abusing wage slaves is good while being surrounded by either neets or actual wage slaves

>>16647001

someone fed up taking shit from google isn't a communist.

the entire reason Trump got elected is that living wages outside of city hell-holes are becoming less and less viable. there are millions of white people getting high and dying out in the country.

>>16647046

go back to 4chan

>>16646877

>>16646925

<We both know how important internships are bro stick with it

you have to go back

>>16646636

I'm beginning to think that California is a designated corporate slave farm. Think about it.

>Companies that set up are always already reputable or glamorous, see also Hollywood, an industry built on glamor

>Americans from out of state see high salaries for California tech jobs like 200k/year and are lured in

<Whoops sorry there goy, forgot to mention that the cost of living is astronomical and your salary doesn't count for shit

<Better not quit your job there goy, might become homeless. But I'm generous so I'll let you work overtime to make ends meet. I'm a saint, I know.

>Most people get burnt out after 5 or so years and realize they're being treated like shit (still too long if you ask me)

<Some, like those in Hollywood, are brainwashed by the glamor and work themselves to the bone for their masters

<Execs don't even need to go through this process for the locals, they're already brainwashed into believing a $12 minimum wage improved their economic standing and that business ethics around California are normal

It's the perfect environment to ensure someone stays hired for as long as possible with as shitty conditions as possible. I don't think companies set up in California to enjoy the weather, they do it because the labor market is the easiest to manipulate.

>>16647148

It may explain commiefornia massive boner for bugmen, also pod sharing(more like a slave pen in my opinion) is pretty hip with the soy crowd.

>>16647245

>leftypol fag whines that minimal effort shitters don't get any extra benefits they do not deserve

checks out

>>16647245

or facism to keep shitty companies in line

>>16647245

What happened to destroying businesses and murdering CEOs? Commies have grown soft

>>16646043

>>16645999

>They have to work for 12 that day to make $30/h.

>>16646000

Nurses have to work as long in a more physically demanding job for less. Fuck those entitled cucks. They probably never had to work a regular job in their lives. There a reason why male nurses ether become borderline bodybuilders or fat.

>>16647302

pretty sure a lot of iw folks are back, working on the new mw game, which will suck

>>16647245

Unions only work if you have leverage. Video game employees don't. That's why they're disposable to the company. Grab those up-and-coming students from Game Design college and work them to the bone until their passion runs out.

>title of actual article is "human cost of COWADOODY"

>OP turns it into ACTIVISION TREATS TREYARCH EMPLOYEES BADLY

>when they are repeatedly stated to be CONTRACTORS

OP, why in the fuck are you creating clickbait outrage farming bullshit and posting it here? Fuck off.

>>16645989

Who cares? They can treat them A LOT worse and should.

>>16646729

Coal production is so much more autonomous these days as is a lot of mining, you don't need 500 slaves and children digging away with pickaxes in a dark cavern anymore unless you lie in a third world shit country

>>16647322

>entitled

>>>/out/

>>16646578

you've never been mentally exhausted before, have you?

to the point where you're having trouble driving even though your muscles aren't tired and you can easily stay away

>>16647380

>you can easily stay away

stay awake*

Good, western nudevs don't work unless you force them to. Make the little replaceable faggy piggies work and make my video games. I won't even reward them, I'll just pirate their work.

>>16647377

>Over $30 a hour working a dream job

>Full healthcare and dental

>Free food

>Zero physical demand

>Treyarch employees upset that they have work

Doesn’t sound like spoiled children at all.

>>16647380

>you've never been mentally exhausted before, have you?

You never been cyber bullied before have you?

See how stupid that sounds?

ITT: retards and Activision

>>16647398

Something tells me that you've never pulled several workdays in a row with 12 or more hours each day. That shit drains you.

>but nurses

Yes, some (some) nurses do that too. But they do it, usually, in 3 day weeks, and are treated as full-time employees. They are not asked to work full work weeks with multiple 12 hour shifts.

>Full healthcare and dental

Not sure where you're seeing that. The article makes one mention of insurance, and it's a complaint about the offer. So that just makes you seem like a disingenuous cunt.

>Free food

I don't know who would ever consider free food to be a primary perk of working somewhere, except an absolute fatass.

>Zero physical demand

12 hour days, multiple times per week, with weekends additional.

And I especially appreciate how the article says "a range of $13 to $30 per hour" and then you just immediately go to, "Well they all make $30 an hour what the fuck do they have to complain about?"

Seriously. What kind of stupid fucking idiot are you?

>>16647306

What do you think unions do?

>>16646167

shut the fuck up non-white subhuman, your race is too stupid and uncivilized to have a functioning society

>>16647465

Take bribes and lie to their sheep followers about raises not being available this year?

>>16647520

Yes, our corporate overlords are so merciful for offering Hot Pockets, Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwiches, Doritos and cereal. I work at a job with "free food" and that's the garbage they stock. Enjoy your cardiac arrest.

>>16647465

Nothing?

>>16647523

do you also work for free?

>>16647465

Ruin industry

>>16647523

>hating based corporations that give out food

Go back to /leftypol/.

>>16646317

Considering what shit flinging bug fests most modern games tend to be, what does it mean for your average qa process?

Are they having too much fun playing the game to find the problems or do the devs not care about the reports of the people hired to make reports?

>>16646017

If they were passionate they'd have made their own games.

If they were good programmers they'd work in better conditions at better wages on more important projects.

>>16647465

>unions

Modern-day mobsters.

>>16647595

>a company ordering and giving out food isn't treating workers well

Make sure you dilate before fighting, "The Man" and those other evil corporations for giving out free food trannypol.

>>16647040

No, I'm replying to the guy talking about the shit pay from government agencies for the same pay. I'm pretty sure that everyone here agrees that you should never work for the government if you can help it. Especially when the same working conditions are available for better pay. Are the working conditions fucked and should be fixed? Absolutely. But if you decide that your suffering is only worth $15/hour instead of $30/hour. Then you're a braindead shitstain and I have no sympathy for you. If you're going to suffer regardless, at least take the most rewarding path.

>>16647520

You're arguing with underage and NEETs who larp on leftypol but never really worked a day in their lives.

>>16646433

I get $12 an hour for a job I can do at home while taking a shit. You'll probably have better opportunity to move up than I do, though.

with how similar call of duty games are, how?

>>16647714

>someone posting a Hitler quote makes them trannypol

Imagine being this much of a nigger.

>>16646433

You're probably getting fucked if you actually know what you're doing, or are just completely unskilled and basically disposable in which case expeect to be treated like dirt

but other factors come into it like the cost of living where you live, the size of the company you're working for, your education

>>16647698

>Modern-day

Unions were created by commies and run by the mob since the start

>>16646433

Depends. Do you have a degree in IT? If you do, you don't need any internship or anything of the sort. You are already valuable and many companies will be happy to hire you for that alone. If you do not have a degree, make sure you convert that internship to an actual job at the IT company, as that's worth a lot more than some shitty internship.

>>16648488

Incorrect. They weren't created by commies, but were subverted by commies after their creation. Read volume 1, chapters 2-3 of Mein Kampf.

>>16645989

Good. Testers are annoying arrogant whiny fucks. I don't trust them. They should be treated even worse.

What are you mad about, OP? QA testering is a position for teenagers before they go to college or niggers who are too stupid to learn how to actually make anything. They're treated like second-class citizens because they are. They should consider themselves lucky to still have such an expendable position at all.

>>16648586

>>16648602

>t.well paid corporate niggers

Your narcissistic faggotry is showing you fucking socialist scum.

>>16648624

But anon, it's you who's being a socialist. You demand unskilled labour, one analogous to assemly line workers, get a high wage with plenty of benefits. QA testering requires less expertise than a mexican cleaning lady; why should they get a pay significantly above minimum wage?

>>16648624

>people should be paid what they're worth

>this is the attitude of socialist scum

You're a motherfucking retard. Fuck off, glownigger, my grandpa didn't dump agent orange on gooks in Vietnam for you to post stupid bullshit like this on the internet in the name of "free speech". Think for two fucking seconds before you post and make yourself look like a buffoon.

>>16645989

>Activision had given a cash and stock bonus worth up to $15 million to its new chief financial officer, Dennis Durkin

I like how they'll take great pains to ensure their product is as diarrhea as possible to shave a shekel for the stockholders, but giving half the game's budget to their new pet handrubber is cool.

I wish Ren was here.

>>16647586

It's really more of a lack of time spent actually fixing bugs between feature development and release. I'll try to explain from a software engineer's point of view.

At the end of the day, videogames are computer software (albeit, specialized for entertainment rather than any utility purpose). A great book for anybody looking to get into any sort of software development is Frederick Brooks' The Mythical Man-Month, a collection of essays regarding development of the IBM System 360 and the lessons to be learned from the tumultuous process. The two (arguably) biggest lessons to be learned from the book are

1) Adding more people to an already late project will only make it later

2) Roughly half of the scheduled development time before release should be dedicated testing and debugging after all planned features that could be implemented (given time/budget constraints) actually are.

While the first can impact a game's (or any other software) development and testing cycle, you may find that most (but not all) large companies do decide on the team to carry out a project as one of the first things after cost/effort/market analysis, only adding people very early on if the effort estimation was under what is actually required (almost as if they actually listened to this bit of advice). The major issue is that companies tend to be incredibly inflexible regarding release deadlines, making normally late projects not late at all, but incredibly buggy instead. We, as consumers of the medium, also tend to see delayed releases as a sign of troubled development rather than a necessary adjustment for the success of the product.

The second is the real killer for QA. It's an issue that many software companies (especially game corps) haven't learned the importance of. Consider that the average AAA game has a total development schedule of only one year, from managerial planning to product release. Most of the development on the game (including planning, design, and implementation) is conducted within the first six months. A QA team is employed to test for and report bugs to the developers in tandem with the implementation of features, but it's mostly reliant on what the developers are currently working on. Because the dev team is working on making the game more or less feature-complete, they don't have the time to fix some of the bugs that the QA reports back. After the first six months, the dev team gets a three-month break (or laid off and replaced due to out-of-control marketing costs). If the story in OP is anything to go by, the QA team probably does not get a break, and is stuck working crunch hours to find more bugs that won't be fixed until closer to release. The team comes back (or is reformed) for general debugging, but considering they have barely three months to fix the issues in the game, they're not going to catch even a majority of the bugs to be found in the current build, let alone bugs introduced in further builds as they fix what they know exists. In an average AAA release, I estimate the QA and dev team has probably fixed 60% of possible bugs in the program, not including nigh-mandatory day-one patches that probably account for another 15-20%. At about the 90% mark, the game is no longer being patched, any existing bugs are likely to stay, barring any user patches, as whatever is left of the dev team is put onto a different project or laid off entirely.

body too long, continued in next post

>>16648723

Understand that any sufficiently complex piece of software is going to have bugs in it at release and even after multiple patches. In fact, we currently believe that it is impossible to completely debug such a program. However, any software company worth dealing with (not many, and likely none in the games industry, unfortunately) is going to schedule and budget for extensive dedicated testing and debugging such that they fix roughly 90% of the estimated bugs that can possibly be found (including bugs introduced after other bug fixes) before the initial release, with further bug fixes coming . I don't believe for a second that most AAA games released in the last decade even have that much ironed out.

Bear in mind, despite the wall of text I spent too much time writing, that this is actually a simplified look at the problem. It does not take into account that bugs have different severity and priority. High severity involves system crashes, data loss/corruption, and, in extreme cases, physical damage to the hardware. Low severity involves slight graphical glitches, typos, button in the help menu doesn't work, etc. High priority typically means that it's a problem that a majority of users (if not everybody) has when trying to use the system, or a severe problem is easily triggered through normal use of the system. Low priority typically means that one or few users have the issue, or the bug is only triggered under very specific circumstances considered beyond normal operation of the system. It also does not really take into account features that get cut due to an inability to properly debug them.

tl;dr: The problem isn't that people are lazy or distracted, it's that games are not given enough time for adequate development and debugging, especially when compared to some other software companies and their products. The corps and their (((investors))) just don't care because they think everybody buying and playing videogames is a fucking idiot.

>>16646024

And yet niggers like you will give money to companies like Activision to enable this behavior. You wanna give them justice? Stop giving companies with shitty business practices money.

>>16648624

Socialism and not getting paid enough for more labor and skill is exactly why I'm against victimizing those useless sons of bitches you whiny faggot fuck.

>>16647555

Which is a good thing. When products in a medium get really shitty, the fans of the medium have to take up the mantle to make good shit. Hobbyists will always put out better content than careerists (indieshits are a type of careerist, fyi).

>>16648645

Working on an assembly line requires a lot more skill (and energy) than pushing a button 500 times and writing down the results for each button press.

>QA tester

If its like anything else in the software industry. Which it is. Those are the truckload of unhygienic, greedy, lazy indians. They put them on the other floor because they're disgusting to be around, they don't get the lunch because they'd waste all day down there and eat obscene amounts, they're treated like shit because they are shit.

>>16646204

I live in BFE, and while the rent is cheap (sometimes), there really is fuck all for jobs unless you JUST got out of high school. Nobody wants to hire somebody in their early thirties if they can get some poor fucker in their late teens who doesn't know that being beaten like a rented mule is the mark of a shitty job.

>>16648977

>fun has anything to do with QA testing

>QA needs to interact with devs

Angry Pajeet detected

>>16648488

Capitalism is jewish.

>>16649827

>economic freedom is terrible

>>>/leftypol/

>>16645989

>niggercattle gets treated like niggercattle

WOW

>>16647400

Mental fatigue is a very real thing you absolute fucking moron. When I worked construction with my dad I was happy, I'm at a desk job now and it's draining. I come home and even though I'm not tired I'm in no mood to do anything.

Worth it if their products are good.

But they are not so…..

>>16649971

I don't think there's a difference between being enslaved by the jewish state or the jewish corporation?

>>16646577

> this type of thing is exactly why I didn't join the games industry.

So this isn't a new thing? Explains why games' quality have been declining.

>>16648799

>Working on an assembly line requires a lot more skill

Have you actually tried working there?

>take a piece of plastic from the left

>screw in 4 screws (there's computer oversight that makes sure you didn't fuck this up)

>send it to the right

>repeat the process for 8 hours

It's something you literally could teach a monkey. It requires no skill whatsoever.

>>16647322

>>16646067

>>16647398

>>16646076

Using the word entitled to mean the exact opposite of what the word entitled actually means is fucking awful english. The phrase you're looking for is "self-entitled", it got incorrectly shortened down at some point and now we get hoards of condescending idiots who keep showing off their inability to use words properly. At the very least be better than these people.

>>16646017

what karma faggot

the only people being affected by this bullshit are the ones who had nothing to do with the current state of Treyarch holy shit how stupid can you be you fucking mouthbreather

>>16650002

Also I'm aware I just used hoard when I should have used horde. My point still stands though.

Quality assurance are not actual staffed employees. They're just fucking not. They're all contractors. The reason why none of them have provided names? Because their contracts don't have minimum terms, they don't have to be bought out. You're the stupid motherfucker who gets caught putting their name on sewing bad press? You're the dumb motherfucker who gets made an example of, because you're a contractor.

These aren't the guys who work super long hours to fix the code and make sure that your Cawadoody games work, these are the fucking guys who didn't go to higher education, didn't get a degree, but managed to work their foot in through the door. Treyarch doesn't fucking make games anymore. They haven't in a very long time. These guys are the guys who figure out the bugs and file discrepancies, and then provide lists of those things to the actual teams who do. They're asking to be paid programmer money and treated like the developer teams for having the low man on the totem pole jobs. That's why they keep mentioning "THE DEVELOPMENT TEAM" – because they're NOT MAKING games.

When I was younger I would have worked for the same salary as these dumb fucks doing programming work. It's true that programmers have an overblown sense of 'what they deserve,' but these guys do too. They do a lob that could be done by some border hopping Mexican, no one does QA because they would rather have an easier job, they do it because they don't have a degree in comp sci saying they can do real work.

>>16645989

Good. If you waste your life making trite distractions to sedate the masses in a literal 1984 dystopian world, then you deserve absolute enslavement. I hope their families are being held in cages somewhere.

>>16650026

you seem a bit salty

guess that makes it okay to mistreat people working for you.

>>16651879

Yes, it does. You dumb fucking cunt. Go suck off Stalin's dead cock.

>>16651811

based

>>16651884

>anyone who supports workers is a (((commie)))

Where does this meme come from?

>>16651917

Have you met the average worker? They're the most bluepilled people on the fucking planet.

>>16651884

YIKES! Activisionshills please calm down, you're spewing salt everywhere. Careful not to get any in your vagina or else you be really outraged with salty vaginas and boomer-esque faggotry.

better not talk about a livable wage or (((they))) start getting angry. You would think the public opinion of Activision couldn't get any worse and yet here we are hearing how shitty they treat people who work for them. It's okay though, QA in games is already a huge joke and everyone is having a laugh at game companies and anyone who works for them is a fool, not just the QA peons.

>>16646089

“The borrower is servant to the lender.”

And when your nation’s entire economy runs on debt...

>>16647465

Absolutely fucking nothing. Oh, except introduce an artificial hurdle to entry into an industry and create a needless hierarchy where there wasn't one before.

t. electrician.

>>16646350

<defending activision

<it is pretty much like extras being told not to talk to principle actors. It disturbs them and wastes their time while the tester/extra wants a touch of fame.

That's a stupid comparison that make devs and testers look bad since actors are just professional liars. Having few testers and using those testers for random outside input onto if the game is fun or if it can be creativly broken in a way the devs wouldn't expect would be more useful, which means having communication.

<It could also be because they don't want testers having direct influence on developers and vice versa

That makes no fucking sense. Why hire testers if you are going to have the programmers ignore their feedback?

>>16646356

In the testers particular case, you mean the (((federal reserve bank))) at the point of a gun demanded they be give useless peices of paper or they would kill them. If all those testers grew their own food on their own land and potted their own water they still would be killed by the (((federal reserve))) for not having useless peices of paper even if the testers bothered nobody.

>>16646393

<The QC testers themselves report bugs, but they're either detected too late in the development process, they're not what the focus on the tasks demands or the devs simply decided that fixing this bug will break the game, so they either don't fix the bug or remove the feature altogether in order to keep the deadline.

Then why isn't activision hiring QC testers with programming experience in things like ada or using valgrind on their programs? Because these are playtesters you fucking dumbass

>>16646469

That's a shit excuse. If I was ever hired as a playtester for treyarch

>having a job/being a slave to someone

>ever God so help me if I succumb to something so lowly

I could run circles around their so called programmers in code correctness, performance, security, actual programming, etc and without a degree within their timeframes. Degrees are just useless peices of paper saying you were indoctrinated at a prisoncollege with a bare minimum skill set, if that.

To anyone looking to enter the field of programming games, OS's, nicknacks, etc DONT DO IT. You can learn programming as a casual hobby and perhaps make FOSS/indie software by yourself for money but don't rely on it. Don't rely on anyone but yourself for your food and water because at the end of the day thats the whole point of a job, to put food in your or others belly. The more you learn about programming and computers the more you realize that everything is fucking botnet and shit tier compared to what it could be, or is in some cases.

>>16646433

Your inquiry reminds me of a local news story about some homeless guy that got $15/h to clean up druggy needles at a local beach.

>>16648905

Nah, it's just because with Japanese games, every single plot isn't a homosexual interracial porno.

>>16646350

Cuck.

>>16646000

That doesn't sound too bad.

>>16647523

>said the leftypol tranny as he stuffed his mouth full of doritos and coca-cola each and everyday while whining about a company that hands out food

The company I work at doesn't even hand out anything, but I gotta pay for own shit or bring your own.

>>16647465

Nothing aside from fulfulling some dumb ass fantasy that commies have.

>>16646003

I think its part of the employment strategy, they want QA testers who will put up with basically being treated like shit so they can treat them more like shit when they need to without them quitting on mass.

its like a physical personality test

>>16646190

a good studio should have a QA team as part of its company

Another thing the company did is turn off the A/C in the place at night, despite it being cali and incredibly hot, even at night, especially with heatwaves. Combine this with 10-12 workers in a room for 4-6 people and it becomes stiflingly hot, where the place started getting called a sweatshop. They petitioned for months to get them to leave the A/C on for them, where the company finally said okay, but only did it sometimes.

>>16646000

>>16653235

No, anons. The 30$ an hour is probably a contracted programmer, who in the article they mention are often hired through agencies as well and promised if they do well will get hired at the end of development, which usually doesn't happen. A lot of the heinous shit happened to both programmers and Q&A, but Q&A got the worst of it.

>>16653275

Oh, also, another thing. Not only were Q&A and other contracted work seperated from the main workforce by having their own seperate floor for them only, but they also had special badges that signified they were not part of the main dev group but rather outsiders, also Q&A were not allowed to talk to developers or the main workers at all, where they could be fired for doing so. Any found bugs or issues had to be relayed to the Q&A team lead who would forward it to the dev teams representative. Some informants to the journalist mentioned they had to keep friendships between a dev secret, so as not to be fired for having any kind of interpersonal relation between the two.

>>16652257

>Its also meant to assure the quality of the game, such as how fun it is or if something feels like bad quality.

You're in the wrong timeline buddy.

>>16653280

But they're women and PoC, the merchant said they must be treated like queens and kangz by everyone because of slavery :(

>>16645989

It's been an issue for years, and the only reason it's being highlighted now is so they can push their unionization initiative. Anyone going to Kotaku and thinking they're using this information in good faith is a goddamn fool.

>>16645989

This is how unions form.

>>16653948

I hope so. Not for the idiots who work at Activision, but for my enjoyment when the industry crashes.

>spend your life romanticizing playing video games for a living

>get the rare opportunity to be a 'tester'

>job sucks complete ass

>realize that quitting or unionizing would do nothing because there are 750,000 faggots ready to take your unskilled position over for even lower pay than you were signed on for

It's an hourly wage job with less security or benefits than other hourly wage jobs, what did they expect? Nothing will ever change because everyone wants to do their job, and nothing Kotaco writes will change that, because they shill for these same game companies and have perpetuated this.

>>16647245

Yeah that'd be great, the entire Activision QA workforce could unionize overnight, and then just go find new jobs before the sun rises because QA testers are probably the single most disposable employees on the planet.

>>16654282

This is why joining unions can often be mandatory.

>>16653948

Forming a union requires being able to muster a threat that management has to respect. What threat can QA bring? It's not skilled labor, there's ten million college stoners that would love to "work in video games" around to replace them, and Bethesda has shown that a game being chewed through with serious bugs isn't even a serious disincentive to buyers.

>>16654405

>>16654460

>>16654500

You have to get the union established and recognized before you can make it mandatory and unskilled, low-consciousness, eminently replaceable labor doesn't do well at that.

>>16654552

>mandatory and unskilled, low-consciousness, eminently replaceable labor

How much is activision paying you to insult its employees?

>An employer works their employees like cattle while paying the minimum possible allowed under law

And how is this different from LITERALLY EVERY OTHER BUSINESS? Welcome to Capitalism; enjoy your stay.

>>16646350

>>>/liberty/

>>>/oven/

>>16645989

>burger company not constrained by labour regulations

Never change, burgerland

>>16664126

I know you pride yourself on your "suck it up and take it like a man" mindset, but that becomes needless boneheadedness if you don't even try to improve your current situation in ways realistically doable.

So fucking quit you spineless fuck.

ITT:

>deepthroating corporate overreach and abuse to own da leftiz

>"How dare you complain about anything when there's a child starving in africa"

>"You just need a strong handshake, kid"

>"What do you mean it costs money to eat food"

I want summer to end.

>>16667785

>defending Call of Duty niggers

I want SUMMER to end.

When did /v/ get infested with leftists?

>>16667833

Apparently the same time it got infested with rewards who don't know what QA is, or the difference between a developer and a tester.

The amount of retards here who apparently think that QA makes the games is staggering. I knew /v/ was toll of idiots and children, but I didn't think it was this bad.

>>16667865

Shut up, you whiny pissant. Anyone with a shitty job is either too spineless or too retarded to improve themselves and get a better one. I have no sympathy for human cattle.

>>16667785

>defending retards who decided to work for videogames instead of getting real jobs

>defending retards who seriously thought testing videogames was a good career choice

>defending retards who can quit any time and get real jobs

Honestly, why. Activision needs to be swallowed up by the Earth and ground into tar, but these people are idiots who did this to themselves. There's plenty of companies that need testers that won't pay pennies and most of them are pajeets anyway.

>>16667833

When a fat gay jew became board owner and started banning everything that exposed his people.

>>16667914

So 2014?

Take your bone and pick it somewhere else.

>>16667922

>(1)

Eat a dick, apologist.

>WAAAAAA U NO LIKE JEWS U GO SOMEWHERE ELSE

>>>/reddit/

>>16667920

t. leftist drivel designed to shore up empathy for the "plight of the worker"

>>16667909

You're retarded. If we justify employers treating employees like shit and allow employers to slave-drive their employees, every employer starts doing it and then 90% of jobs devolve into this shit. I guess idiots with no context of history or reality don't remember industrialization, when every labor job was treating all employees like slaves and working everybody possible to death in the name of profit. Labor laws, in fact, do exist for a reason.

But I guess you can be a retarded corporatist and speak up for the massive companies. Activision is happy to have you shilling for them and defending abusive employership.

>>16667894

Testers aren't devs.

>>16667923

>(2)

oy vey, I wonder who's behind this?

>>16667924

t. designated shill who's replying to every post while changing his IP periodically with a program when he gets called out like we can't tell.

>>16647714

No one has ever been more wrong than you are.

>>16667925

Maybe the reason most jobs are useless wastes of time is because most people are useless wastes of time. Send them to the gamer mines, I don't give a flying fuck what their conditions are as long as they make a good game, and since nobody is, they all need to work harder.

>>16667927

>anyone with an ID I don't like is a shill!

Typical braindead redditor response. Go back to the picket line, Pablo.

>>16667926

>you’re a jew because you don’t like jews, jewish censorship, white genocide, blackwashing, and the jewish takeover of an industry created by whites on technology created by whites

Global report. Commit suicide.

>>16667935

I'm on 8chan, where intelligent white men know what they're worth and how worthless everyone else is.

>>16667931

They aren't making the games. You might as well be shitting on the company's janitors for not making better games. The tester's responsibilities are pointing out bugs, and these games aren't shit because of bugs, so no matter how hard you work the testers, the games aren't going to be any better.

>>16667923

He's not being an apologist, he's pointing out that by your definition, the board has always been infested with leftists, and you've been posting in a leftist haven for 5 years for some reason.

Pointing out that Mark has been in charge since 2014 isn't being an apologist. Facts aren't your enemy unless you're wrong.

>>16667935

>>16667924

What a lovely example of the jewish false dichotomy.

“Anyone who doesn’t treat workers like slaves is a communist!”

“Anyone who doesn’t want all businesses to be mandated by the government is an an-cap!”

There are more than two positions. Say, for example, a THIRD position…

>>16667941

>has always been

Used to be slightly better; the point is that the fat gay jew who runs this place has no genetic imperative to keep it from getting worse, as proven by the quality of content today.

>>16667941

All you're saying is that testers are even more worthless than I gave them credit for. They could be dying in their cubicles and I would clap for it. Same with VAs, the greedy cunts. Everybody always wants a piece of the pie without ever putting on their baking gloves.

Unions are good, they fight for the rights of the working man. Hitler supported trade unions, and you should, too. If you don't support unions, then you're probably some trust-fund faggot with a silver spoon in his mouth who is ready to benefit from the generational wealth that you had no part in cultivating.

下げ because politics are fun.

>>16667945

They're not worthless, they just have one job and they're doing it. Nobody wants to play a game riddled with bugs, and testers prevent that. They just don't "make the game" and they aren't developers. You seem to be unable to understand that making a game involves more than just programmers.

>>16667943

>the point is that the fat gay jew who runs this place has no genetic imperative to keep it from getting worse

This isn't supposed to be either a leftist or a right-wing haven, genius. The point of this place is to discuss video games and to have some degree of free speech as long as you aren't shitting up the discussion. It sounds like you want Mark to just ban people for being leftist, which is retarded given the mission statement.

"free speech" doesn't mean "everything I personally agree with".

>>16667943

Funny how the ID hopper goes completely silent when he gets fucking blasted.

>>16667958

I understand that you need people to test the game, I just have no illusions about how important they are. You're a bleeding heart pussy.

>>16667974

I'll blast your asshole, kid.

>>16667982

>I responded to a different IP

>Someone who should be competley unrelated responds

And the ID hopper admits his sins.

Next, if employees aren't important, companies aren't either, since you have no qualms about people, the corporations shouldn't matter either. So why shouldn't we prosecute them instead of letting them get away with shit that is actually criminal? You have a very inconsistant viewpoint.

Individuals are unimportant but the

COMMUNE

is far better and deserves to have people sacrificed in the name of it?

Get the fuck out of here you stupid communist. You are in the lion's den.

>>16649827

No socialism is jewish because retards can't make it on their own which is not what the US is about

>NEETs who barely go outside are now experts in the job force industry

>Boomer-tier meme posting

Wew.

>>16667975

It's not being a "bleeding heart pussy" to not want to go back to the state of employer-employee relations we had over a hundred years ago. Without labor laws, that's where we inevitably go. You defend what's right because it's right, not just what affects you. Not defending what's right is only fucking yourself in the long run. If you are at the cognitive functioning of a 5-year-old, I see where you're coming from, but in a discussion like this, you're expected to think and discuss like an adult with a fully functioning brain.

First they came for the testers, and I did not speak out because I was not a tester.

>>16646547

>matched with people that have kit that directly counters yours

Actually the patent says it matches you against microtransaction buyers, no matter the loadout, with higher skill than yours to advertise their purchases to you.:

>A system and method is provided that drives microtransactions in multiplayer video games. The system may include a microtransaction arrange matches to influence game-related purchases. For instance, the system may match a more expert/marquee player with a junior player to encourage the junior player to make game-related purchases of items possessed/used by the marquee player. A junior player may wish to emulate the marquee player by obtaining weapons or other items used by the marquee player.

Here is the archive if you want to read everything. Remember that this is not restricted to Cowadoody. https://archive.is/vQjb3

>>16668024

Labor laws are a jewish plot to weaken nations from the inside out. I recommend you google the Frankenfurter School.

>>16668047

Yes, I'm sure preventing employers from working their employees to death while paying them pennies is a Jewish plot to kill nations, and real strong countries are built by working children to death from a young age.

I am familiar with the Frankfurt School, if that's what you meant, unless you were intentionally referring to Rocky Horror. Everybody who has been through high school or Philosophy 101 should be familiar with it. I don't remember the bit of Frankfurt School that focused on killing nations by making it illegal for them to abuse employees. I do remember bits about labor laws and ethical interactions with laborers. Frankfurt School is heavily flawed, but you are again falling into the idiot's first mistake of "If people I don't like have ever said it, it is inherently wrong because they said it". You might as well purge potatoes from your diet because Jews eat them at this rate.

If you want to actually criticize something, you need to have a point. You can't just say "look up this massive school of thought made by people I don't like; they say something about this at some point" and expect anybody to take you seriously, especially when labor laws predate the Frankfurt School by a hundred years. You've got to be joking if you think this is a serious point.

>>16668024

Well that's where we're headed (or more likely far worse) given that corporations dictate regulation to damage competitors and immigration laws to damage the ability of workers to negotiate fair pay. Anyone who thinks "regulation" will do anything other than create a greater advantage for deeply intrenched globo corps is a credulous moron. Maybe if western government wasn't synonymous with traitors from top to bottom.

And you'll excuse me if I don't shed any tears for retards who have a joke career in helping assure the "quality" of enemy propaganda.

>>16668134

You almost understood the hint and then you made the rest of that post anyway. For shame, anon.

>>16668135

>Anyone who thinks "regulation" will do anything other than create a greater advantage for deeply intrenched globo corps is a credulous moron

Sure. I'm sure the labor laws did nothing, and companies stopped employing 8-year-olds in coal mines out of the goodness of their own hearts.

>>16668147

I'm probably autistic or something, because I am absolutely shit at grasping a joke in text form.

>>16668151

You are definitely autistic.

Why are you all so bitter, angry and miserable all the time?

>>16668333

Valve is an example of listening every single fucking thing testers say to the point of completely fucking up games like Portal 2 and HL2 Episode Two

HL3 will probably never release because testers dont like that one level thats too hard

>>16668369

cuz ur gay

homo

lol owned

>>16646003

Nothing? That's completely normal in all aspects of life. Substandard people get substandard treatment.

>>16645989

They should go get a better job. If they can.

Jobs pay directly proportional on how hard the position is to fill. Pay has nothing to do with how much skill is required. Not on how valuable the position is to society or the company. Not on how much education is required to do it. The only thing that matters are: is there a demand to complete the work and how difficult is it to find someone to do it?

QA jobs can be filled by almost anyone. just grab someone on the street and put them in a chair. They are going to be paid shit. They will always be paid shit. If they don't want shit pay, they need to leave and find another job that pays better.

>>16646031

if it doesnt matter this much, hire enough staff. ur paying for it either way right?

it can't hurt you, so fucking hire more people instaed of making people working 70hr a week. fcking godamn

This is just capitalism at work.

I have a friend that does the same kind of work for another AAA studio. He whines about crunch, getting paid minimum wages and the likes - I tried to explain to him that his job required nothing special to be done, so of course it`s minimum wage and if he didn't like that crunch was the standard, he could go into another field. His reply was that he likes playing video games at work. That's my outlook on it, people who do these kind of jobs expect to be payed high wages for some reason but they're doing something anyone can do. Something that people do for free for enjoyment (public beta testing being the norm now).

The answer for any competent person in such a dilemma. Find another job.

>>16672303

That's the truth, and question then is, where do you even go from QA tester? What other higher more specialized field is open to you from there?

>>16672569

whats fucking stupid is they dont want any talk between developers and the testers. thats exactly what should be talking with each other. them not doing that is just like them using testers to buff the ego's of the faggot developers, who really arent probably developing shit and just sucing the cock off of the jew guy running the company telling htem all what-to-fucking-do and what-to-put precisely in the game. not a game tho just a simulator of a game. and they add gambling in it to keep people entertained for a split second after 1 hours of fucking nothing.

fucking tell me they need crunch time when they could juust hire more retard monkeys cause they dont use them.

>>16672569

>This is just capitalism at work

no it isn't you brainless twit.

companies earn revenue by producing value, this builds their brand, this is short-sided business where shit like this DIRECTLY ruins the company brand by bad press.

aka, i wouldn't be very surprised to find out the EA/ACTi execs are in on that pedo-party with Randy "handy-dandy" pitchford.

>>16672665

Stop confusing loli with pedophila, resetera.

>>16672683

playtesters are the reason games have two thousand tutorials and feel the need to hold your hand every step of the way. playtesters deserve to suffer and die

>Min wage job in the world of tech gets treated like min wage worker

More news at 10.

QA testing is the most braindead dumbass job in the tech industry, just look at the state of games when they release. Games shouldn't be releasing like that, but they are, consistently. Why?

QA testers are supposed to make sure games don't release like that, so no wonder they get treated like shit. A bad QA tester turns a developers reputation to shit.

Half the fucking game in the black ops games is barely functional at the best of times.

If you can't do your one job you deserve to get treated like a child that can't be trusted to do their job without being micromanaged, which is what is being described in this fucking article.

Not to mention it's a fucking desk job that pays $13 an hour, that's fucking great compared to a warehouse worker over here that'll get paid $10 per hour for an 10 hour shift on his feet all day busting his ass.

Only reason I don't do it myself is because >commifornia

Fuck these fucking limp wristed cunts that have never done a hard days work in their life and then cry about it to their soy latte cuck club at kotaku.

>>16672683

<playtesters = QA

are you retarded?

>>16672711

QA doesn't fix the bugs you retard, they report them back to the devs and it's their job to fix them. QA isn't at fault for games being full of bugs, that's on activision's managers who don't give the devs enough time to fix the bugs. and the managers do that because of retards like you who keep buying the games every year despite being nearly unplayable at release, and even defend the corporations who only care about their profits.

>>16646001

>Is this even legal? I feel like they're breaking multiple labor laws.

Fuck no, that's a laughable concept. They're QA in a games company - lowest on the totem pole and lowest always gets treated less than everyone above them. If they were working QA in anything other than a games company, it'd be IT Support in that lowest rung and they'd be sitting smug.

They're also contractors hired through another company - so no, they don't get a seat at the table to talk about their feelings.

What they should be doing is to get through a game, get that on their resume and to head out to anywhere else in IT to do QA. It will mean better hours, proven ability to put in the effort and a matured outlook on the industry. Again, this is exactly the same as frontline IT support workers go through and the advice is the same - eat shit today and use that experience to move up to another job.

>>16672569

>The answer for any competent person in such a dilemma. Find another job.

It's even easier - if they got a QA IT job outside the game industry they'd do the same job for better hours, better pay and are above Support in the department hierarchy (but below devs). Anyone in QA looking to magically jump into games dev is delusional - that ship sailed a lifetime ago.

>>16672572

The answer is not to do QA for a games company because it's got no future, made up entire of burn-and-churn kids that just want to work in games and think they're in a stepping-stone. In mainline IT, QA pays far more. Expansion-wise, I'd say that once you can get into the automated testing suites you can find work on projects just tweaking them and making sure they run properly.

Even without those skills, being attached as QA to companies that handle outsourced IT projects (like government, some groups are allergic to spending IT project money internally because they're petrified of anything blowing back) there's good money to be made. They get put into projects as a group (PMs, BAs, Devs, QA, trainers) and bounce between major projects 6-18 months at a time. The money is really good.

>>16667691

Interesting read anon, now would you care to explain how Japanese studios compare and contrast if you have such knowledge?

>>16672748

>QA doesn't fix the bugs you retard, they report them back to the devs and it's their job to fix them.

yes, activision hires hordes of QA to find bugs they'll never fix, makes sense…

>>16645989

>not treating your QA team like trash

based

>>16646167

>Life is worse somewhere else on earth, therefor nobody but the one single person in the absolute worst circumstance can complain

Good argument, we should all mindlessly accept and celebrate 3rd world living conditions and reduce our standards to only asking for 3 dollars a month. Go kill yourself nigger.

>>16672921

>>16672711

>Being this clueless

>>16673085

>doesn't know what QA actually does and think they test nilly willy and without evil publishers every game would be perfect

>>16674928

>sucking over-entitled low entry wagie dick

>>16674928

>implying shills are people

I refuse to believe there are enough ben shapiro fans on this planet, let alone this site, to shit up this thread to such a degree

>>16645999

Working 60+ hours a week at any job, including sit on your ass jobs, is some of the most soul crushing shit you will ever experience, and the overtime doesn't even come close to making up for it considering it's taxed so heavily to the point that the amount of work per dollar ratio is atrocious.

Not to mention that handful of extra dollars that doesn't get spent on necessities often goes unused because you're too worn out to give a fuck about playing with it. This isn't even considering if you have a family, I'm talking no familial responsibility bachelor mode motherfuckers getting worn out and not wanting to do shit.

t. wageslave that's worked desk and physical labor jobs for over a decade

>(1)

>No substance

Why would someone shill for a QA tester at Activision that doesn't know how good they have it?

>>16675481

I never said I wasn't doing that, but holy shit man, 60+ hours of week for multiple weeks on end is not something to scoff at, even if it's some get-fat-fag shit like working for a vidya company.

You have to deal with the same bullshit and the same faggot assholes you hate with every inch of your life for at least 10 hours a day for five days in a row, and that's if you get weekends off, if you're unlucky you get six day work weeks.

Then you get off work and have to worry about other mandatory shit like figuring out your bills, paying rent, maintaining your car, and taking care of shit around your house, and when you've already spent literally half the day commuting and working then that leaves you with at best three or so hours to do all that other shit before you go to bed unless you're willing to further erode your sanity by only getting four hours of sleep at night.

I'm not looking to lecture NEETs here or some shit, you made the smart fucking choice if you're okay with living off of tism bux.

Hell, I'm not even saying the fags who work for these AAA shitholes are saints, but I am saying the retards claiming 60+ hour work weeks are "no big deal lol" are some ignorant faggots that have clearly never had to actually do that shit.

>>16675511

People who say 60+ hour weeks are "no big deal" certainly haven't work for much time, if at all, so you can just ignore that. On the other hand, I'd rather work that much instead of being in the deplorable situation I am now, so there's that. I guess the grass is always greener on the other side.

>>16675519

>On the other hand, I'd rather work that much instead of being in the deplorable situation I am now

Are you sure?

It'd just be trading one form of horrible living conditions for another that you can maybe kinda pretend makes you better than layabouts (it doesn't, it just means you're more willing to sell your soul).

We've gotta be smarter about how we use the money we have.

I will say avoiding debnts like the plague will provide you a tremendous boost compared to fags who take out shitloads of loans just to live in some drywall shitbox to prove their status.

As in, don't even open up a credit card unless you know you can pay off whatever you use it for entirely within the same month in order to improve your credit score.

sage for getting off topic

>>16675531

>Are you sure

Pretty sure, any time I spend outside this house would be a net improvement already. If I have to deal with mentally ill people I'd rather at least get paid for it and not have to live under the same roof.

>>16675535

Are you comfortable with driving large vehicles?

Because you can apply as a driver helper at a beer distributor and get a class B CDL after a few months since they usually pay for your tests and everything.

The pay is okay, it's good for getting you on your feet, and having the CDL will open up other opportunities at other jobs.

If you can you should also get forklift experience. Forklifts are fun as shit to drive and the operators usually get paid decently.

If you're more office oriented you can probably lurk /tech/ for awhile and figure something out in that area, I only ever did basic bitch shit like sorting applications and keeping track of things like paperwork for customers' accounts, and that pays about as well as a fast food worker's salary.

Good luck anon

>>16675555

The CDL stuff is assuming you live in the US of course, not sure how yuros handle their truck licenses

>>16675558

>Implying I'm not a third-worlder in a country with ~15% unemployment rate, don't even have a license

Shit's fucked anon, not killing myself just yet though

>>16675555

Fuck you for stealing my trips

>>16675572

Enjoy my wageslave get, fag :^)

>>16675568

Live to spite the ones who put you in that situation if you have to. Giving up and an hero'ing is what the cunts in charge want you to do. I'm rooting for you at least, gay as that sounds.

>>16672773

Yeah, but then they don't get to play games which is what seems like the main appeal to me.

>>16672661

Well yeah, that seems pretty retarded if true to hire testers and not even listen to them but that doesn't really have anything to do with wages or work hours the way I see it.

>>16672665

You're delusional if you think anyone gives a shit about QA testers being underpaid, especially not by some article by a literal who. It is bad press, but nothing shocking that gets people talking really. The tracking the ovulation cycle of their female employees thing gives them such a worse look in my opinion if you want to compare. Highly doubt this will hurt them at all.

>>16675593

what it has to do with it is, just work for 40-50 hours per week, leave. they arent using you for discussing with the developer so keeping track of what you are doing isnt necessary. so that makes no sense what this they do is.

>>16675535

Plus any time spent working means your resume is getting better. At the very least you pull ahead of the version of you that sat on the couch doing nothing.

>>16675583

It's not a great appeal because you're not really playing games, you're repeating patterns to find errors - instead of an accounting program you're using a controller. If you wanted to hate vidya - games QA is the way to do it because you'll want to do anything else once you're out the door.

>>16675432

>Shitting on QA

do you even know what QA means?

<then maybe people wouldn't universally consider Activision games to be nauseating shit

>the people making sure the game doesn't make your pc explode suddenly also decide on design and implement gameplay

are you retarded?

>>16672661

>>16675593

you have different group of testers each with their own shit to test, if you get lucky you might work inhouse and actually work with the devs, the rest is barely above automated tools - the only reason they're hired is they're cheaper or the tools can't cover it. same way you'll slave away at a conveyor belt when robots can't cut it.

devs don't interact with you since they don't have to and not really care since they already have those people. it's like saying every post on the official forums is a valuable contribution.

also playtesters != qa

>fucking tell me they need crunch time when they could juust hire more retard monkeys cause they dont use them.

most crunch is due to shit management and/or shit devs, especially in vidya where most people want to go into because "making games is fun and all", not slave away in a cubicle all day.

simply adding more shit doesn't improve anything, especially not for companies that want to save as much money as possible.

>>16675885

did they say they get paid more for working 40 hours or more a week? or some other amount of total time each week? thats what im sayng is they dont have to and just fill a position to do it instead of paying OverTime. since they dont react and their particular reaction isnt relevant to their monkey play through of the game. it couldnt be that hard to make save states and load them into the game at the bug. plus save time

>>16646003

would you rather they throw it away?

>>16646190

>how formulaic most design tends to be.

This is depressing. In reality, the only way to create a sustainable income, especially when it comes to media, is to create a model that is easily reproducible. As creating "new" content is ultimately unsustainable because of the risks that come with it, people not buying it or it just flopping on the market, thereby making the effort and extra man hours it takes to create something new, pointless.

This is why we see companies such as Adobe changing to subscription based platforms instead of a one time buying thing. Its to create a sustainable and reoccurring income. You don't have to spend time creating something new and you can capitalize on already existing content.

This is why there is barely any money in creating books, video games or movies.

Movies can be replaced with bite size youtube videos.

Video games can be replace with lootboxing and MMOs. Or pay-to-get-better mobile games.

Books with articles.

>>16645989

IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE PAY OR THE WORK ENVIRONMENT QUIT YOU STUPID NIGGER GETTING A DUMB NIGGER FAGGOT LIKE YOU TO SUFFER IS THE LORDS WORK