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>Giving Blizzard money

>Nu-blizzard put up a blue post yesterday saying that the Classic European Servers are going to be UNIVERSAL LANGUAGE (Minus russian ones because muh cyrilics) based.

Why? is that hard to add an spanish, german, and a french server for europe?

>>16620238

is this is real then I might as well play on NA, lag's worth not having to play with chinks and slavs.

>>16620241

there won't be dungeonfinder though, unless you install an addon that spams lfg for you.

>>16620242

it seems like the slavs are exactly what's being separated from everyone

It's mainly wops, frogs, krauts, and danes that you have to worry about

>>16620242

tbh i would rather take chinks and slavs over retarded swedes and dutch

>w*w

>strawpoll

>>16620238

It's okay, it's only happening to europoors so it doesn't actually matter.

>>16620282

>playing CSGO in 2019

You have only yourself to blame

>>16620265

Yeah that's a load of shit if you've ever played a video game before

>>16620289

I'd take fucking Turkniggers over the autistic Germans and their combination of hating fun, and being unable to handle defeat.

>>16620291

where are you from?

>>16620292

The balkans.

>>16620291

>I'd take fucking Turkniggers

Yeah you probably are a Turkroach that's why, no one in there right mind would ever say that

>>16620289

let me guess you are a dutch/swede faggot and got triggered by the truth?

You've had all the time to play vanilla on private servers. Kronos had the original realm and a fresh realm with good quality.

>Blizzard re-sells old product

<Oh boy, better hurry up and pay

>>16620295

why are you in a thread about wow if you can't even afford the subscription

>>16620300

I can easily upset the turknigger by calling him a bootleg Arab, or reminding him of Nikola Šubić Zrinski, the Germans just start sperging out in Krautspeak.

>>16620307

Because any good version of Vanilla has been free for the last 12 years.

Your 4cuck is showing. While I am intending to actually play, you should learn how to post here.

>poal.me not strawpoll

>generals

>>16620383

>Pink haired gnome

>Named after his twitch channel

How these kinds of people get so many drones to follow them is beyond my scope of understanding.

>>16620238

Well this is how WoW was at release. Every language just claimed servers in their own names.

>>16620238

i read that the EU forums are ablaze over this

Anyone know if I can use the (((wow token))) on my EU character to pay for a subscription on NA servers?

>>16620410

lol no ! maybe at beta, which I can't tell because I neve got a key, but at release I remember perfectly there were assigned servers per language, granted there was only english german and french, so italian or portuguese and others had to do like you said.

But for example as a French I remember distinctly we got 3 official french servers at launch, including Archimonde where I was

>>16620518

soz but i got tired of hopping private servers every 2 months for like 2 whole years

>>16620528

Weak excuse, original Kronos realm has been up for like 3 years straight.

>>16620522

Fuck the french, you're all just a bunch of niggers anyway. Fuck the german too for that matter.

>>16620404

act like a loud retard that's how

>>16620648

Gets better, Blizzard going to ban people for camping world bosses because "HURR GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE"

>>16620655

That was one of the funner parts of pservers. On K3, I was in Conquest, which worked together with Vanguard, another guild, in order to maintain an absolute monopoly on world-bosses. It was fucking fun seeing the Alliance try and challenge the monopoly, or seeing horde players REEEEing in worldchat.

Blizz will end up punishing PvP camping too, watch. Can't imagine the type of battered-wife-syndrome faggot who would give those retards money in CY+4.

>>16620667

Trick is to ask for free 3 days to test it if you want to sub or not, play retail to farm gold (should take like 2 days) and then use the token.

Thats if you don't want to pay money to play this trash heap

>paying money for World of Warcraft

cyclegreen-tier

>>16620689

It's just sharding.

>>16620689

>is this nu-sgharding

yep, to a T.

>>16620238

At least we can sub to US servers.

>>16620709

i haven't played a single blizzard product since wotlk.

I'm just tired is all, i'll play for a month, if i'm not banned by the end of it i'll try another month.

>>16620308

You are a roach

>>16620689

>when will euros accept that they just don't matter

Never, too autistic for that business.

>>16620383

>Kronos wiped their K1/2 server

No they fucking didn't, retard. Blatant lie.

>>16620528

There have been solid pservers running for years. If you played on Elysium then you hopped to LH, other than that no need to ever hop servers.

>>16620689

We didn't ally with the alliance retard, we were both horde guilds. Learn to read.

>>16620674

Zero reason to play blizz's server, at all.

>>16620751

More like zero people playing on your shitty bootleg servers post-August 27th.

>>16620769

>the blizzdrone's mask finally drops

Can't wait for (((zctiblizz)))'s servers to crash and burn when they start adding microtransactions and other "QoL' shit that kills it.

Anyone who gives blizzard money at this point is a faggot and doesn't deserve to own a computer.

>>16620775

That's a lot of baby rage you've got there. Maybe you can fill your empty bootleg servers with it. Not really, though.

>>16620689

its sharding, except instead of the shards being sub-zone wide, the shards are continent-wide

nevermind that people can exploit layer hopping during the first week or two to farm the shit out of arena masters, black lotus nodes, the fishing nodes on the coasts of southern STV and northern tanaris, rich thorium nodes, certain rare spawns, limited supply vendors with special items, high-level chests, and probably more too

and the players already know so much about it that they can jump to the layer of their choice in the time that it takes to accept a group invite from a level 1 character, so they can dodge world PvP at their convenience too

and if you get invited to a group thats about to kill a rare mob to kill that rare mob? the rare mob despawns

>>16620789

and all they have to do to prevent most of that stuff from being meaningfully exploited is to lower the size of the shards to encompass only the level 1-10, or even the 1-20 zones

but nooooooooo; they're fucking retarded

oh, and at least they allegedly didn't have right-click report in the stress test, so maybe they were at least experimenting with not having it in the game

>>16620805

That'll be fun if they include it.

>alright boys, nef is at 20%…19%…18% almost down!

<rival guild mass-reports the main tank

<he gets d/c'd and temp-banned

<they wipe

>>16620793

Or, shocking concept, Blizz could just not shove sharding into Classic where it doesn't belong. There is really no fucking reason to have it aside from "muh smooth launch". Fuck that.

If there's a huge bottleneck in the starting zones on day one, who cares? Hardcore players will make it through because they already know how to dodge the crowds, and casuals shouldn't be trying to power level anyways. Personally I think the launch rush is a fun and exciting event that is worth experiencing, let the moshpit happen! If they're really concerned they can just shorten respawn times in starting zones, which is an effective and simple change that doesn't break the rest of the world.

The entire reason people want classic is so they can experience the game before Blizz cocked it up with "Quality of Life enhancements" like sharding, cross-realm, dungeon/raid finder, etc. Yet somehow Blizzard thinks that sharding should stay. They still don't get it.

>>16620810

I'm pretty sure if you get mass repots you get a mute, not a temp-ban, because that is what happened to me. I might be wrong and it could trigger a temp-ban if you get even more reports.

>>16620751

Really? because my accounts seem to be no long active. Wonder if chinks took em.

>>16620751

>No need to hop servers

Server dying in pop, corrupt staff giving their friends top tier shit or being cocks who will ban you for the slightest offense.

>>16620790

P much, a lot of the old guard from nost are looking at classic, playing it or not is another issue.

>>16620819

Pretty much this, I've tested this on chink's hope as a shaman and running simple quests like Peon's burden and sticking with a party I can get to level 2 at least on "delivery" quests and discovery EXP alone. you get a party going to heal and attack mobs outside you can grind some EXP. Even then the massive hordes of players on each faction is usually because private servers are only 1 server typically. Blizzard doesn't have this excuse and it's 90% likely that they're doing this to rope in normalfags by letting everyone have a turn.

>>16620822

Get reported enough and it's a temp ban till they review your acc. Not to mention you get D/Ced the first time

>>16620831

I still have my K2 chars, there are still several guilds raiding there, so they didn't wipe it. No idea what happened to yours.

>>16620822

You can get temp-banned, just go to jewtube and search for 'wow report banned during raid/bg'.

>>16620912

yeah says my accounts are closed but dunno why. I silently left Kronos with the rest of <infinity>

consider posting in threads you do enjoy

>>16621019

>Not reading

I don't think anyone in this thread is actually blindly defending shit. Maybe if you weren't a nigger from cuckchan you'd realize people are actually discussing shit

IT'S FUCKING SHIT

>>16620308

>good version

>bugs up the ass

>shitty and outright corrupt administrations

>the one good server in the entire scene closed hours after launch because dev is a fucking attention whore

Fuck this game. Going to be ruined by faggot streamers and their dickriders. Nublizz cucks shilling for sharding too. Why waste your time and money with this trash

>>16621045

>bugs up the ass

>shitty and outright corrupt administrations

Blizzlike.

>>16621045

>bugs out the ass

Not really, no. Maybe 3-4 years ago, but nowadays both of the main vanilla pservers (LH and Kronos) have only a few bugs pop up now and then, and they get fixed somewhat decently.

>shitty and outright corrupt administrations

Not really. Elysium was pretty corrupt, but LH is decent, and Kronos admins are alright too.

>the one good server in the entire scene closed hours after launch because dev is a fucking attention whore

Lolno.

>>16620413

Just like how the Europe is ablaze in general from diversity, then?

>>16621215

>kronos

Everybody was hyping those czech shits new server early this year and it was even buggier than the current standard.

>Not really. Elysium was pretty corrupt, but LH is decent, and Kronos admins are alright too.

Everybody has deals with the chinese, to mention only one thing, why even pretend it isn't true?

>>16621310

LH has tons of chinks, yeah. How does that equate to corrupt admins? They could just ban tons of VPNs like Kronos did, but then they'll take a huge population hit and get DDoS'd.

>>16621215

Thats because they have cores that are years old and have most bugs fixed. ANY new server coming out that doesn't have access to that code base would be fucked

>>16621361

They're farming gold to sell for real money, obviously. However, that's been a problem on retail WoW servers since the game was fucking released until eventually gold became so devalued that there was no profit to it anymore and most of them left.

How can you hold it as the fault of the LH admins, when the retail vanilla servers had the exact same problem with chink goldfarmers?

>>16621380

It wasn't just gold farmers, but the expansions post vanilla started to trivialize the acquiring of gold. Remember in TBC even the requirement for a 60% mount was knocked down to 30 IIRC instead of 40 and the costs trivialized.

Wrath gave you a mount at 20, gold and the costs were pocket change at that point with wrath's changes to the value of the in game currency.

Each expansion has inflated the market by itself, gold farmers are a smaller aspect of it

>>16621434

That's kind of what I meant, although I guess I didn't word it good.

Gold itself became devalued because you made tons of it with little effort. A hundred gold in retail vanilla is worth maybe 10,000 gold in retail today.

So I heard that there's gonna be no fucking language seperation for us Eurofags' servers. Fucking wew.

>it's just gonna be a bunch of spainards, frenchies, germanz and other niggers screeching in their weird ass languages while I'm over here trying to not explode

I've honestly never even played WoW, but this has destroyed my chances of playing this rubbish. Though I've heard fan run servers of the original still exist to be played on instead of this urine infestation, so I might give that a go.

>>16620648

>Wow Classic shares sub with BFA. If you're subbed to retail, you get Classic access.

This is true and it's also true that if you're locked/ suspended in BFA you'll also be in Classic even though their suppose to be different products.

>>16621031

WoW has always been shit, anon. The entire game started off as a poorfags copy of everquest 1 but friendlier towards the casual audience. Even in the first trailer for the game you can see how much they were gonna copy off of it until they decided to make some more alterations so it's not too obvious.

>>16621445

>I've honestly never even played WoW, but this has destroyed my chances of playing this rubbish. Though I've heard fan run servers of the original still exist to be played on instead of this urine infestation, so I might give that a go.

Just fucking play Everquest 1 then.

bump to spite the poorvate server cucks

>>16621380

>that's been a problem on retail WoW servers

No, it isn't the same thing. In retail the gold sellers are banned, in the big private servers the chinks share gold selling profits with the administration to be allowed to continue operating.

>>16620648

>There are people who actually believe that streamers won't completely fuck up whatever servers they decide to roll on

>>16620689

>layering? is this some sorta nu-sharding?

Sort of. It's basically sharding, but continent-wide and restricted to everyone in the layer being on the same server. Guessing hoping that it's a temporary measure to not make starting areas a massive clusterfuck. It's no coincidence that the first xpac with sharding (Legion) was the first one with an actually smooth launch. But it has zero place in Classic for more than the first few days or so, if even at all.

Play RIFT instead.

>>16620538

> you're all just a bunch of niggers anyway

not yet, but give it a couple generations and that will be it

>>16620689

It's supposed to be a measure that will make the first few days more bearable. It's not vanilla-like, but then neither is having two thousand people flooding the 1-5 zone. The question is: how long do they plan on keeping it active? More than a single day would be iffy, although it'd be somewhat fine if they could manually tune how aggressive the layering is as time passes and people stop congesting the starter zones.

>>16620648

>Light's Hope

I didn't follow these private servers, what's that about a split? If I recall, Nostalrius was the one that was big enough to get shut down by Blizzard (How? Surely at least one other server was vanilla before that. Was it just enough marketing?) and then Elysium copied their databases when it went up. What's Light's Hope? Did Elysium die? Jeez, when was Nostalrius, how long has it been?

>>16622180

>People still think nost was shut down by blizzard

They shut themselves down to try and get jobs at Blizzard, if you remember Elysium debacle where Nost heel turned and called their community dirty pirates, then it sohuld've been obvious then

>>16621887

Do you have any evidence that this happens on LH?

>>16621876

>thinks it's about being poor

Go back to cuckchan.

seems a lot of niggers are interested to play at least by polls so you fags actually wanting to make an 8chan guild?

>>16622200

>if you remember

I do not, I am not up-to-date on all the juicy private server drama, hence why I asked.

>>16622332

i dont see why a region block can stop an 8chan guild. most people here are NA anyways

>>16622341

Because we've had people from every corner and some can't be assed to get a NA client going. <Infinity> is a place in time, not a guild. It was fun but our prime was Nostalrius and we'll never top that

>>16622355

it doesn't have to be just the retards from the private servers. im sure there are other goys ready to give blizzard money to play a real vanilla server.

>>16622370

>implying pservers aren't good enough

>implying people who wanted vanilla didn't have the past 12 years of pservers to play it

>implying blizzard deserves money

>implying anyone here will give the money

Heh.

>>16621876

>People not wanting to give money to one of the most pozzed and cancerous companies is because they are poor and not because people have principles.

>C-Cucks!

Go back to the septic hole you crawled out from.

>implying pservers aren't good enough

for some they arent

>implying people who wanted vanilla didn't have the past 12 years of pservers to play it

ive played ps and i still want to play an actual server

>implying blizzard deserves money

:^)

>implying anyone here will give the money

(^:

>>16622370

>a real vanilla server

Oh, like the about infinite or so amount of blizzlike private servers that have run over the years? And have all been free? The only people paying for this shit are moralfags, children too retarded to get on a private server, or blizzfags.

>>16622415

>blizzlike

>like

>>16622477

read the thread. No one from <infinity> made this thread, probably cuckchan refugees

>>16622614

Pretty much, the elysium staff had a woman who to the surprise of no one with a brain was draining funds from the server to line her and her friend's own pockets. the staff was also selling gold to chinese farmers, who would sell it to players and in turn ban those accounts (only to rebrand them later to resell to chinks to sell). Basicallythey'd ban goldspam every so often to look like they were the good guys when in reality it was full on kiking

>>16622614

I have a couple of 60s on northdale but i can't recommend the server, chink infested and said chink infestation brings a lot of problems with it, like lupus spawn being changed to like 10 minutes because otherwise chinks would camp it and sell the accounts for about 120 bucks

>>16622332

> regional blocks

No such thing, retard.

>>16622662

except there are, a Bnet account can make a EU and US account, but you can't interact with US servers with the EU account and vice versa. Each realmlist (US/EU) is separate. You'd have to either set up a NA/US account to play on NA servers OR change the realmlist (if blizzard allows that)

>>16622722

yeah, next one is in july

>>16622760

well shit

>>16622814

>using slow weapon is good

You dont say.

>walking backwards instead of strafing

Lol.

>>16622683

That's not a region block at all.

just noticed I got beta access, I am not even (((subscribed))), they must be opening it up now

>>16620214

I am curious whether they will fix the class unbalance (rogue 10 min stun combo, priest and shaman being a meme heal machine, etc.) that was present back in those days as the time goes, or just leave them be.

>>16622876

It's a soft regionblock,

>>16622785

What about arms vs 2h fury though? Sure dual-wielding is really weak early game but 2h fury is legitimately strong.

Classic will be DoA with layering and EU servers not even having their own language servers

>>16622947

If you mean Prep resetting Blind cooldown then I don't think that is in.

>>16623001

2h slam can be pretty good when you're fighting red mods; alot of mobs have a 1.5 or slightly slower swing timer, so if you time slam right, then you can spam it until your latency kicks in, which will drastically increase your damage output against the mob until you get pushed back, at which point you can cancel the cast and not have your swing timer get reset because it doesn't get reset until the cast finishes

>>16624515

Well the myth was that Fury is undisputedly better than Arms because it does far more DPS, and thus lets you level a lot faster/take less damage. As my videos show, it's about on par with Arms. Thing is, Arms has Tactical Mastery which is amazing for tanking and PvP, and it has Sweeping Strikes which is amazing for 2h tanking and killing green mobs. Leveling Warrior on a PvP server without TM is a nightmare, and tanking without TM is pretty awful, especially once you get Berserker Rage. In other words: if Fury isn't overwhelmingly better than Arms (which it isn't), you're better off going Arms to make your life easier. Ironically enough, the time Fury shines the most is in the 40-50 bracket, where you get to use the RFD and SM quest swords, and where you get access to the 3 great ZF 1h, the ZF staff, and a few Maraudon weapons, oh and mother fucking Thrash Blade. Meanwhile, Arms is stuck with its WW Axe/Ravager, unless they luck out and get either weapon off of the last boss in Uldaman or a Gatorbite axe. I'm actually considering leveling to 50 once the cap is raised and make more videos to see if Fury beats Arms at 40+.

>>16624598

You want to avoid fighting orange mobs as much as possible. Soloing red mobs is pointless since you won't be able to generate rage from auto attacks, nor do any white damage. When trying to kill elite red mobs in a party, you'll most likely be tanking and trying to keep up sunders, and any extra rage will be spent on HS. If, for some strange reason you do end up DPSing a red mob in a group, then yes Slam is pretty damn good.

>>16624569

You're dumb. There's too much visible hype to say it will be dead on arrival. It might die out eventually or not, but it will definitely be full to the brim on launch, which is why blizzard is using sharding in the first place, despite claiming to want to make it pure vanilla.

>>16622978

>Leveling Warriors on a private server doesn't say much of anything.

Well yeah, as classic is just another private server but this time you have to pay for it, it's pretty dumb to not make the comparison. They've stated time and time again, they're just making up values that go in line with what they remember

>>16624991

The rage formulas were figured out before TBC came out. There's no "memory" involved, just copy paste the thoroughly tested data and you're set. Something private servers seemed incapable of doing.

>>16625026

Blizz has also shown incapable of doing that, what with how they fucked OOC regen and rage gen. It's just a private server at this point that you pay 15$ a month for that won't get shut down by a DMCA or paranoid owners. retarded owners still stand because I'm sure blizz is going to put some retarded fucking shit in once people realize the game's entirely about community and the content is terrible

>>16624609

i wasn't talking about levelling speed; I should've mentioned that part

>>16625051

whats this about rage gen being wrong in the beta?

are they using legion formulas for rage gen?

>>16625073

It was way high at the start. Supposedly they fixed it, but I have no clue what they were using for the formula

>>16620383

>Zelgarath

Hahaha, Zel, a true hero

>>16625051

I've no doubt they'll try to put in some sort of micro transactions. Either HD graphics or self-only transmog or other dumb stuff.

>>16625099

I'm willing to bet they're going to charge for transmogs for later expansions. It's a 50/50 on if it'll show for everyone or just the person paying.

>>16625109

from later expansions rather

>>16625109

i'm sure they won't do that

>>16625121

This is blizzard here, They're the ones who made diablo a reskin of a chinese mobile game, and made BFA. I wouldn't put anything past them

>>16625128

They'll likely have "true classic" as a toggle for the transmog, but I'm 100% sure youre right to some degree.

Northdale was a good private server, one we likely wont get replicated soon. Lights Hope team did just launch a new vanilla server, Silver Hand, today though if you were interested. It's "accelerated" vanilla aka naxx out at launch which is interesting, but I'm enjoying private tbc rn.

The more I look into classic the more I realize that they're basically just copying some data from Nost and adapting it to their Legion engine. There are so many mechanical things that are poorly done or not implemented that if they actually had the backend code like they claim, it wouldn't be so inaccurate.

>>16625227

To play devil's advocate, they are porting things from 1.12 source (supposedly) into legion's framework so some calls and things have changed over the years

bump

>>16622947

Classes aren't unbalanced. The healing classes heal, the tank classes tank, and the damage classes do damage. Classic has plenty of problems, but the fact you can't do literally everything as every single class is not one of them.

>>16625227

They don't have the original code. Long ago, a blueposter on the Blizzard forums publicly admitted that they had lost the source code for everything before halfway through Burning Crusade. This post was quickly deleted, so there's no guarantee it was the truth. Some anon here has a screenshot of that forum post, hopefully he'll see this thread and post it.

Blizzard fucked with layering on the beta right now. The way it now works is that you can't swap layers by being invited to a group if you've recently looted, killed, or PvPd. Translation: "LF1M healer elite quests" "invite I'll heal" "ok are we all here?" "I don't see you guys, where are you?" "guess we need another healer". Blizzard being retarded as usual.

>>16639859

If layering is even in there's literally no point to playing it over a private server like Lights Hope. Why do they do this? I don't understand.

>>16639917

Because they clearly don't have the resources to compete with an e-beg group of faggots running bootleg reverse engineered servers. God forbid you have people forced to group up so they can get credit for the limited number of mobs to kill in the open world.

>>16639859

Was that even confirmed? Pretty sure it was just a retarded streamer tweeting about it. Is there evidence or a bluepost?

>>16639859

>the broke thing on testing realm

Duh.

But layering often dont work so its broken thing which is still broken.

>>16639917

Supposedly there will be separate servers after some time after population drops.

>>16642547

It happens all the time, there are no bluepost because its common thing.

>come close to object

>it disappears in front of you

>move away a little

>it comes back

>walk at random

>suddenly whore raid appears

>they disappear a minute later

It's really easy to tell who's a virgin here just from reading the posts.

On vanilla you could have a guild named The Nazis and the item The Nicker wasn't renamed until BC. If these 2 things are changed you'll never have the true "classic" experience.

>ctrl+f

>no "Everyst"

rip Everyst

Never 4get

>>16639917

I thought Chink's Hope was shutting down once classic launched?

>>16642547

I have beta access, as evidenced by the videos I posted above.

>>16642567

>shit just disappears at random

Pretty much. Classic will be a failure if they keep layering on for more than a few days

>>16620218

this

>>16642650

>shitty dead server

>b-but they let us say nigger!

>>16643572

that's a deal breaker for me tbh

if I can't say nigger the game/site is bad

that's why I'm here right now

>>16642650

Fuck that shit was hilarious. I still remember the admin trying to flirt with that disgusting tranny commie then that tranny going off and becoming the fucking mod of the classic leddit. That was a wonderful dumpster fire.

>>16620238

Europe doesn't matter.

cuckchan was saying last night that there were some blizzard leaks about them treating their employees really badly or something

anyone got a screencap? I don't wanna go there myself and heard about them through a different website that didn't provide a screencap

>>16647425

thx anon

>>16647425

>it's bullshit

<but I believe it

Also, my nipples are erect.

>>16642650

Didn't everyst die because the owner merged the auction houses, and killed the horde economy?

>>16647425

Part of it, the level-crunch in WoW, was confirmed by blizzard already actually, before the leaks were posted.

>>16643572

I mean, I've openly denied the holohoax and said nigger in Kronos, and the most I've ever gotten was a 1-hour mute; most of the time nothing happens. The GMs there were pretty easygoing when I played on it.

I hope all streamers are on the same server so I never have to deal with their faggotry.

>>16647425

I hope that's all true, not because I'm a sadist that enjoys seeing workers in shit conditions, but because it would explain pretty much every retarded decision that Blizzard has made over the past several years, and it would also confirm that they're only getting worse. I stopped playing BfA about a month into the expansion because there was just nothing there anymore, just the same old "take away all the fun shit you had and force you to earn it all back again." Except in Legion they gave so much fun shit (flight, legendary armor, artifact weapons, tier sets and great trinkets) that losing it was a real blow. Between that and a boring story that was just rehashing the same old shit again and again, I finally dropped it.

I only ever dicked around super casually on Hearthstone, mostly playing the AI battles because they could have fun mechanics. I liked the change they made a year or two ago where they gave free AI battle content with expansion releases instead of selling it separately, just without all the card rewards. But then this latest expansion comes along and they decide to sell the AI content in addition to already selling you the card packs, so forget about that.

The rest I haven't touched in years, if ever. HotS was fun to dick around in with friends but it's already on life support, I never really got into Diablo 3, SC2 was okay aside from the laughably terrible story, and Overmeme is complete cancer.

Bungie made the right call getting the fuck away from Activision. I'm sure Blizzard is far too entangled to do the same, but I'll bet they're wishing they could.

>>16648075

>there are plenty of broken af classes in vanilla

Which ones? And explain why they are broken. Retards just spout the same talking points they've heard before without understanding what exactly they are saying. Legion and BFA class balance has been more broken than Classic WoW by a long shot. Classes were literally never balanced at any point in the game. Every class in Classic serves its purpose. Just because you can't mindlessly invest every single talent point you have into the protection tree for paladin and perform well doesn't mean the classes are unbalanced.

>>16648189

Warriors are broken in 1.12.1. That was a warrior 'flavor of the month' patch, and it's also the default vanilla one for pservers and classic as well, thus ensuring warriors will be broken. Warriors regularly do 1.5-3x the dps of even the highest dps-output of other classes, mages, rogues, etc.

Additionally, prot paladins are broken as well, in being underpowered; they don't have any sort of taunt, and their threat management in general is shit except in maybe scholo and UD strat, so that entire tree is useless for them. Enh and ele shamans are 110% useless in raiding, same with boomkins and dps feral. Hunters are perma-gimped in DPS in that patch as well, as the main thing keeping hunters balanced was the fact that threat had a cap, and since threat was capped and the tanks couldn't exceed that cap, other classes had to limit their dps and hunters, who had an aggro reset every 30 seconds, could keep up in dps since they could continue to dps when others had to stop; the removal of the threat cap is also one of the reasons why warriors exceed everyone else in dps, by the way.

>>16648572

>All I have ever heard was that warriors were 99% of the time tanks only with a random fury warrior once in a while.

That's insanely wrong. Fury warriors topped DPS charts almost always. Rogues and mages, in full BIS gear, could sometimes break 1100-1200 dps, if they played perfectly, hunters could maybe hit 850-900, and fury warriors were regularly 1400+ in naxx, oftentimes up to 16-1900. Obviously the numbers would be lower across the board for pre-naxx, and lower than that pre-aq40 etc, but you get the point. You'd only have a couple tanks per raid, one maintank one offtank, and one or two more who were dps but would be ready to equip a shield if the main two died (aside from 4-horsemen where you needed 8 tanks for just that fight), bug trio where 3-tanks were a valid strat, etc).

The biggest changes was the removal of the threat cap, and the alteration of the rage generation formula for warriors. Those two combined made them skyrocket on the dps charts.

>>16648189

Warriors didn't get rage on dodges or parries. No spell damage gear made Warlocks free kills. World of Roguecraft. Survival Hunters. WF proc begat WF proc begat WF proc.

>>16647935

>Dead server

>b-but they agreed with our sensibilities

It's more fun to trigger GMs and be remembered as "that guild of toxic assholes"

>>16648022

Most of the longer running servers now don't care. Elysium probably would be the easiest to piss off GMs, but if you want to see "massive crybaby mode" go look at Atlantiss WoW's TBC server that <Infinity> tried some time ago.

>>16648780

Pre-1.12, mages and rogues were top DPS almost always; warriors were still more played, though, I think. Also, to clarify, when I said

>You'd only have a couple tanks per raid, one maintank one offtank, and one or two more who were dps but would be ready to equip a shield if the main two died

I didn't mean that only 4 warriors were in raids usually, but rather that only 4 or so were required for tanking; one main-tank, one off-tank if needed, and 2 backups, while the rest of the warriors in the raid went dps.

>>16648956

Yeah, I rolled on Netherwing, though not with <infinity>. The GMs on that server are complete cancerous SJWs; the Head GM, narilrave, is a literal kike too.

>>16649071

>The GMs on that server are complete cancerous SJWs; the Head GM, narilrave, is a literal kike too.

If only I knew how to dox.

Any knowers want to cringepill me on pvp? Can't decide between warlock or enhance shammy. I know arms is dominant but I don't really want to deal with leveling that shit to 60.

>>16648815

survival hunters were actually goodexcept wyvern sting and WF couldn't proc itself in 1.12.2, though

but yeah the game still had plenty of problems at that point

>>16649140

enhance shamans are very reliant on proccing windfury; fights will be won or lost based on whether or not it procs, and its very possible to get 10 swings in a row without a windfury proc

all warlock talent trees are great at PvP

>giving nu-blizzard money

a bunch of retarded tranny orbitting faggots you are

>>16649238

you were a good man jublood and when you died, the soul of the guild died

>>16649253

you'd better stock up on WoW tokens while you still can; some time after 9.0 hits, expect WoW token prices to get alot higher

50 of them should do you for until you get bored of classic

>>16649274

unless they changed it while i was away i think you can only hold like 10. either way, legion made me rich as fuck so i'm playing as long as i want for F R E E

>>16620218

/thread

>>16647425

everyone sort of already knew blizzard has been shit for the longest time (since WC3). But it's nice to get confirmation that they are shit.

>>16648227

Yeah, part of me wants to say "no fucking way would they be that stupid as to completely fucking change the structure of a beloved series and tank their relationship with their playerbase any harder," but the other part of me remembers "don't you guys have phones?" and it suddenly becomes a lot more believable. There's one part that doesn't fully add up, though, so I'd like further opinion.

The 4chan poster said that the game's design was pushed in this way because of Activision losing Bungie and the Destiny franchise, so Activision wanted another looter-shooter game to compete with Destiny/The Division/Blands/Warframe (not including Anthem because dedgame). The Immortal fiasco was in November 2018, while Bungie split from Activision in January 2019. However, I seem to recall that Blizzard said that the reason they didn't show Diablo 4 at Blizzcon that year was because they didn't have much to show, but that it was already in development. Obviously Blizzard could be lying about that, but if they were telling the truth, then they'd have to have pretty much started over from scratch. Again, not like that's out of the question, but it's the only thing that keeps me from believing this 100%, unless this is entirely the suits at Activision making demands and forcing Diablo 4 to become an entirely different game.

But man, those working conditions.

>games dying due to chasing esports money (yeah fuck you blizzard i'm not watching your shitty overmeme tournament despite the stupid button you put on the app that i can't get rid of)

>projects canceled left and right

>peter principle everywhere and experienced employees jumping ship since they know it's going under

>insane crunch leading to self-harm

>"we'll pay you in exposure"

>females having to log ovulation cycles

>even cocaine metzen feeling depressed at what has become of blizzard

But I'm glad at least some awful people are hurting, like the pasty white soyboys patting themselves on the back about no white guys in Overmeme 2.

The only thing that makes me sad is that SC2 isn't getting any more content, especially since it meant that Tychus would have gotten a better end than the shitty death in WoL. It's no Brood War, but I still had fun playing it from time to time.

>>16649253

Also just remember that even if you're buying WoW tokens with gold, you're still indirectly giving Blizzard money, since someone else had to purchase that token with real money in the first place in order for you to pay for it with gold. You're actually giving Blizzard more money by paying with gold, since a token costs $20 while a monthly sub costs $15.

So really, if you actually want to not give Blizzard money…you have to stop playing.

I can't wait to play for two weeks while the guild slowly dies and no one plays anymore, but this time while giving money to kikes.

>>16649729

Playing with 8ch is your first mistake.

If you absolutely NEED to play in a guild where you can say nigger and talk about the jews go play with 4chan(highly infested with trannies beware).

However, if you actually want to see content and kill bosses, just play with normal faggots.

Alternatively, don't pay nu-blizzard for a game they didn't make after they ruined wow the first time.

>>16647977

I still can use the Pig sheep for mages right?

>>16649178

I misread the comment chain and replied with shit that was broken at launch. No bully.

>>16649913

Netherwing was so bad that this and the neutral guard aggro were both minor issues.

>>16650194

Heroic Strike is only really worth it on +3 mobs, or if you just leveled and/or your weapon skill isn't up to par and you're fighting +1 and +2 mobs. Sunder spam has two main purposes past 22: Overpower procs and letting you finish the mob with a single Execute. You could open up fights with Demo > Rend > Tclap and pool rage for a big Execute, and it may very well be better if you're DW. The only downside to spamming Sunder is that you proc more parries. I'd say spamming Sunder would be optimal at around 22-28 and then again at 32-38; basically once you get a new rank and a few applications remove most of a mob's armor. Rend is useful at very low levels, or you can use it to replace Sunder spam, especially if you go for Impale. I like to think of AM as doing Unbridled Wrath's job with just 1 point. It's neat, but far from a game changer. Parry is as good as Cruelty for overall leveling times since Parry reduces your downtime and increases your DPS through parry haste. You use HS so irregularly when leveling that there's no reason to put points in Imp. HS. Hell, you don't use it while tanking until you get Berserker Rage, and you want 5/5 TM to make Berserker Rage even better. In fact, HS is one of the skills you can save money on by just buying the first rank along with Overpower, Slam, Shield Bash, and Cleave.

>>16649846

that you can, anon, but only at level 60

>>16650271

never get improved thunderclap, under EVERY circumstance

it is that bad

>>16650271

Pulling two mobs at once is only worth it if you're fighting green stuff. Keep in mind that Impale only works on yellow crits, which generally means Cleave you won't Cleave often solo, Overpower, Slam using Slam means bandaging on cooldown and Mortal Strike. Imp TC is vanilla only affects the rage cost, not the dmg or slow%. The reason why HS is only good against 3+ mobs is due to glancing blows: yellow hits can't glance which makes HS' ridiculous rage cost worth it. And if you're fighting anything that's 3+, you'll have your damage cut down significantly due to glancings.

https://classicdb.ch/?talent#LVMxdVVo

This is the build I'd use. Either put points in Imp. Hamstring for PvP or get Deep Wounds > MS > Cruelty > Impale and don't respec.

So for a mostly soloing player or with just one friend, what classes in vanilla are most viable? Im thinking Rogue, Warrior or Mage with a bias towards Warrior.

>>16650462

>Warrior

Everyone will want to suck your dick if you're willing to tank and good at it. Amazing to level if you're with a healer buddy, amazingly awful solo.

>Rogue

Nobody wants you. Go away. You'll need to make your own groups. Fairly easy to level since nobody wants to piss off a Rogue and get chain ganked. Can do a lot of stuff solo at 60. Great in raids, but spots are hotly contested.

>Mage

CAN I GET A PORT? CAN I GET WATER? You're gonna sit your ass down and drink. Then you're going to make water, and sit down some more. AoE grinding is great if nobody else is there, awful if you have any kind of competition. You can solo farm some stuff in dungeons and get rich fast, especially in DM. Highly in demand for groups. And water. And ports.

>Warlock and Hunter

Great for leveling, decent at getting party invites. Decent for raids, but spots are competitive. Unless you're Alliance, in which case everyone wants you in their raids.

>>16648557

Classic WoW is shit, my claim wasn't that it's a good game. My claim is that relative to retail it's one of the most balanced states the game has ever seen. If you followed the chain of replies properly you'd understand the context for the conversation being that originally Anon wanted to let the people in charge of BFA make changes to Vanilla to "balance" it, despite the fact that they can't even balance BFA properly.

So if not wanting to let Activision Blizzard touch the game and make even worse than it already is counts as "shilling", then yes, I'm a filthy rat kike. Kill yourself you stupid faggot.

>>16650462

All those 3 are the DPS chads of vanilla and they're all viable in PvP and raids.

For soloing as a warrior, you have the opportunity of forming any dungeon groups around you and setting the loot rules yourself since you're the tank and people will just have to accept it because there is always a tank shortage.

Rogues are by far the hardest class to gear up because greedy warriors will do exactly what I wrote earlier and they compete with rogue for almost all DPS gear in dungeons.

Mage is just a beast in vanilla. Battleground premades such as in WSG need to run 2 mages and sometimes even 3 because the class is just that versatile. Their utility is off the charts and their AoE DPS is unmatched. Best crowd control. Either best or second best at farming gold along with hunter depending on what gold farming opportunities are available in the patch. They're just the best at everything with the exception of struggling to 1v1 some classes and their single target DPS isn't top tier when they're forced to be frost spec'd.

Not to mention everybody wants them for dungeons. Some groups even refuse to go to some dungeons without picking up a mage and all the millions of rogues and fury warriors want those mages to lower the gear competition in their parties.

>>16650675

>>16650700

>>16652124

Thanks for the info all. I've played retail on and off for the past several years so I'm not completely blind on how to play. My friend loves being a healer so warrior it is!

>>16653378

Another benefit to Warrior is that it can equip anything including bows. I remember sometimes warriors would take a bow or gun with them for ranged auto attacks. This is mostly a benefit to me for just adventuring around in the world and has nothing to do with instance or serious play.

>>16653391

The benefit of a ranged weapon for warriors isn't just for RP purposes. It can be used for pulling/LoS when you are tanking, and can act as a stat stick for DPS later on with certain items giving some well needed boosts like hit chance.

>>16653420

Huntards taking melee weapons as a stat stick was way more common. Here's one of my recordings.

>>16653430

Only time I ever see that is when it's shit like the polearm from bart in strat. which is basically a bunch of AGI and atk power. and it starts early too, seen tanks take the bow from BFD and the like when the hunter could use it more

>>16653400

I'm aware yeah. There's utility to it. I was annoyed when Shoot was removed for warriors.

>>16649140

for vanilla no one goes enhance at max level, it's pretty much a memespec. but if you are gonna play classic you might get away with it. Warlock is strong against a lot of classes, tho rogues may push your shit in depending on gear/spec. given the about of unique abilities and spells warlocks get, they were clearly a bit favored by the design team. enh is.. less favored and shaman is kinda unfinished in general.

>>16653391

Use throwing knives instead. The time it takes to get an attack out is far faster, which not only reduces the time it takes to pull, but it also makes it a fairly viable option to take out runners and for PvP against people who outrange you. Especially good against Hunters since you can daze them really easily, and Rogues who try to re-stealth. Just buy a new stack at a general goods vendor every 10 levels.

>>16653668

Its not very common but Enh shaman can be used for tanking if you know how to work it. Normally I stick with that for 5 mans to help farm my own prebis as tanks have a much easier time getting their own gear. Not to mention flametongue + Shield is still good for leveling so its good for leveling to 60 and getting gear.

>>16653708

and nefarian was tanked by a hunter and onyxia was tanked by a shadow priest

but yeah shamans can tank 5 mans and group quests if you know how to do it and your healer doesn't suck

>>16653764

Stuff like that makes me wish it was possible to tank 5 mans with warlocks or shadow priests, without it being a ridiculous amount of twinking and a smart organised team. Despite warrior being the best at it, it is by far the most boring of tank classes.

are hunters good in pvp other than kiting meleetards?

I remember leveling a paladin in vanilla being a painful experience all around and retribution being a complete joke. How did they fare in vanilla?

>>16654104

BM gives you a good way to deal with spell casts somewhat.

>>16653782

Vanilla and TBC Warrior tanking is the best tanking I've seen in any MMO. The difference between a bad, a good, a great, and a god tier Warrior are all very obvious and make an immense difference in your party's clear speed and ease of clearing content.

>>16654104

In group PvP Hunters are one of the higher priority targets for melee, especially Horde Hunters who will get jumped on by every Rogue and Warrior with a Freedom on them. Their damage is decent, but they're best at being annoying with Entrapment and spamming Viper Stings on everything with a blue bar. In world PvP and while leveling, Hunters are pretty damn good.

>>16654117

Leveling a Paladin is awful. Ret levels faster than Holy if you get a lot of gear from dungeons, but you won't get invited to any decent parties because 1) Warriors won't want your dumb ass stealing their loot 2) you suck 3) you run out of mana faster than a Warlock without Life Tap 4) your damage sucks 5) your dumb ass should be healing. If you don't grind dungeons and get well geared, Ret is only slightly above Warrior for ease of leveling, but will level slower due to having shit killing speed.

>>16654219

Holy Paladins were always wanted in raids to act as tank healers, so that Priests and Druids could focus on raid healing. Sure, Holy Paladins weren't all that good at tank healing compared to Priests, but you still wanted at least 4 Paladins per raid for the blessings, and you sure as fuck didn't want Prot or Retards. That means you brought Holy Paladins. Of course, that more or less remained true up until the Cataclysm, when Paladins finally got enough healing tools to be more than mediocre/inefficient tank healers, and to have to the tools to do more than just tank healing.

>>16654287

Paladins were the most mana efficient healers in vanilla, idiot. Even more so when mana back for crit heal was 100% insted of 70%. Even then paladins were more efficient than others.

>>16654287

>Sure, Holy Paladins weren't all that good at tank healing compared to Priests

holy paladins were the best tank healers because they were the most mana-efficient due to their critheals being free

and then they could LoH another healer when they had 20 mana left

Reminder Horde is the new hub for Lefties and degenerates.

is anyone interested in making an actual 8chan guild? https://poal.me/q3p4mz

I'm here to help you

this is a bread and butter

switch blood craze / dazing howl for more AP if you're gonna PVE

Go for weapon specialization of choice, depending on your 2h

going for Parry instead of heroic strike is also fine.

>>16654350

It's on both sides of the fence you mongrel.

>>16654219

Yes, they excelled at the fucking support role. You know, that thing blizzard got rid of.

>>16653668

what about elemental? i'm just talking pvp btw, i don't really care about raids and if i need to do one i'd just heal

>>16654398

It's fine, just keep in mind you are a support class first and foremost. Enhancement is fun 20% of the time. The other 80% you're a sitting duck casting shocks and totems.

>>16654398

Elemental is the dunk master one and Done spec. You hiroshima their nagasaki until the only thing they can produce is anime noises. You then sit there drinking for 14 years

>>16654306

>>16654304

Yet Paladins still ran out of mana. Sure they could spam rank 1 Holy Light forever, but it didn't do much. A Priest could just wand for a bit and get a huge chunk of mana back, especially with Judgement of Wisdom up and decent Spirit gear. Hell, once Innervate became baseline, it was hard for Priests to run out of mana assuming you had a few Druids in your raid.

>>16654370

>you can tank just fine

Paladins could get the job done while leveling, but it still sucked. It was better than to wait an hour to find a Warrior, but man did it suck. And it just got worse the closer you got to 60: your threat was way worse than what a Warrior/Druid could do even factoring in Salv, you took way more damage, had no taunt, no mobility, your only defensive cooldown required jumping through hoops, and you needed to have someone else pull for you unless you body pulled, which wasn't always an option, made worse if you didn't have Consecration. And like you said, once people hit 60 and started getting decent blues, Paladins just couldn't tank due to threat issues unless you went full retard. And even that was just a way to barely be able to get things done.

Ret DPS on private server with world buffs and spamming consumables is quite different than Ret DPS that doesn't pop Dark Runes on cooldown. No matter what, you'll still end up towards the bottom of the meters. If you're willing to spend ludicrous amounts of gold each raid, you probably won't be lowest DPS in the raid.

Ret in organized PvP is a joke. In 1v1 or small skirmishes it's actually really good. Sacrifice means you generally won't get CCd, BoP/Bubble will counter burst, Cleanse is awesome, you get a great stun and lots of bursts. Until you run out of mana.

And yes, Holy Paladins are great in PvE, they're just inferior to Priests for healing. At best, they're interchangeable with Priests for tank healing. You want a minimum of 4 Holy Paladins, but getting more isn't a detriment to your raid. In PvP, Holy Paladins drink Horde tears. All of those delicious tears, you bottle them up and drink them and they're delicious. And it's actually a blast to play in PvP.

>>16654402

For leveling and raid healing, Priests is definitely both better and more enjoyable. Paladin PvE healing is very dull, since you don't really manage your mana except by downranking harder. Priests have more bells and whistles to play around with, along with dealing with the 5 second rule.

>>16654421

>Yet Paladins still ran out of mana. Sure they could spam rank 1 Holy Light forever, but it didn't do much. A Priest could just wand for a bit and get a huge chunk of mana back, especially with Judgement of Wisdom up and decent Spirit gear. Hell, once Innervate became baseline, it was hard for Priests to run out of mana assuming you had a few Druids in your raid.

Doesn't matter. Paladins were the ones always assigned to heal the tanks, and if you think otherwise then you either played horde or just flat-out never fucking played vanilla.

>>16654462

The other issue at max level is the amount of drinking you have to do but DM mage water and better gear alleviates that.

>>16654411

rogue it is

>>16654437

Reading comprehension, work on it.

>>16654462

Reading comprehension, work on it. Paladins never really ran OOM, since they'd have enough mp5 to keep spamming rank1/2 HL all day.

>you spam max rank healing spells because world buffs

Did you even play vanilla? Guilds didn't just go on a world buffing spree like they do on private servers. Holy Paladins didn't sit at "60% crit" during raids. You'd try to get a world buff during farm status to make MC/BWL go faster, but it wasn't like guilds or even individuals ran raids with full consumables. Some try-harding happened in Naxx, but not in any significant fashion before that. What you're saying makes you sound like someone who's vanilla experience was either forgotten or tainted by raiding with private server idiots who spend 5+ hours a day grinding so they can clear their raids in an hour.

>tanking 5 mans in T1

Why even bring up the point? May as well try to argue about which T3 geared DPS is best at killing Herod. 5 mans dungeons are balanced for people in leveling greens. You're trying to make an argument for doing those 5 man dungeons with not lvl 60 greens, not lvl 60 blues, but with raid epics. Go sit in the corner with the Moonkin and reflect on your life choices.

>>16654390

What the hell is this abomination? Is this a leveling spec? Then why no Parry or Charge? Why sword spec: the only two decent swords are WW Sword and the one from Uldaman? Or is it a raiding spec? Then why Imp Hamstring? Why no 5/5 Battle Shout? Why no 5/5 Demo Shout which would make way more sense for an arms Warrior to take than a Fury Warrior? I know it can't be a PvP spec since you didn't take Enrage.

What's the demonology playstyle? Dot and shadow bolt? Is destruction a death sentence?

>>16654813

In raids, one warlock will go improved imp for the imp buff for the tank then spam shadowbolt, the rest will go demo/sac and sacrifice the succubus to then spam shadowbolt. Warlock raiding in vanilla is just shadowbolt over, and over, and over.

In PvP, demo is really good, but it's very situational which demon you'll need so you'll need experience to play it right. Conflag is also a good pvp build.

>>16654813

Destruction can be really nice in pvp with conflag. Demo sac is not bad either. I played with a very well geared demo lock though so a shadowbolt/conflag/shadowburn combo can really fuck people up.

>>16654863

>>16654864

Truly the thinking man's class

>>16654813

I think nightfall+conflagration is the meta for battleground pvp nowadays.

Demonology is best for duels and for solo pvp.

Soul link is strictly a pvp build and you will be using a lot of DoTs while pvping in a soul link build. The reason for this is that you can't really run with a succubus since she can't tank all the soul link damage like voidwalker/felhunter can so you don't need to worry about restricting DoT usage to make way for the succubus CC.

For group PvP the soul link warlock lacks firepower and burst which is where nightfall+conflag comes in.

>>16654509

>You're trying to make an argument for doing those 5 man dungeons with not lvl 60 greens, not lvl 60 blues, but with raid epics.

Well yes the point I made earlier is that threat gen only becomes a problem when we get into pre raid BiS territory, which is usually better than most epics at tier one to begin with because of poor itemization. Logically if your dps are at that level they dont need the gear either. You're also pretending like DM buff runs, Righteous orb runs, Dark rune runs, aren't a daily occurrence for people who are beyond geared for the dungeon.

>>16655494

Pally tanks work just fine for pre raid content, the problem is that they just simply do not have the threat, sustain, survivability or utility to actually perform a tank role in a raid. If someone wants to make the sacrifice to constantly respec between raids and maintain an additional tanking set just to be awesome at running non-raids in their spare time I'd more than welcome it. Running with a pally in a small group is a good change of pace and can often speed things up if you aren't just speedrunning things and skipping 90% of the trash in the process (scholo/DM).

If the point that you're making is that a paladin can tank non-raid instances when committed to gearing, speccing and practicing the role then I absolutely agree with you. But beyond that they simply can't do what's needed to be done as a tank without hampering the entire raid to accommodate them.

>>16655539

>If the point that you're making is that a paladin can tank non-raid instances when committed to gearing, speccing and practicing the role then I absolutely agree with you.

You can tank all 5 man high lvl dungeons in holy raid spec. I've done it. I even prefer it to prot tanking since holy shock is such a big deal when generating threat.

are shockadins a thing or was that more BC?

>>16655539

Paladin tanks in vanilla suffer the same problems that they do in TBC: they take too much damage and have too much downtime. It works, but it's slow and painful. Like I said above, you'd take have a Paladin tank 5 mans as a last resort, when you just can't find a Warrior/Druid to tank and just want to get the dungeon done, even if takes way longer to clear.

>>16656114

No. Holy Shock's cooldown is too long in classic.

>>16656300

Paladin tanks make decent OT, because they are not rage starved and can generate threat without the need of being hit.

>>16656358

If that Blizzard leak is correct, they already plan on having the old trilogy of servers. I think the best WoW experience would actually be TBC classes, talent trees and likewise gear options locked down into level 60 content with 40 man content.

>>16654417

elemental can be fun, but shaman is a bit weak to getting resheeped constantly or stunraped by rogues, because don't have any class ability cc escapes outside of your pvp trinket.

Consider shaman to be the opposite of paladins. a paladin can react to any situation after the fact, a shaman has to anticipate what's coming and totem preemptively. it's a challenge but with proper gearing you can rape as >>16654398 pointed out., as long as u dont mind those limitations.

Ultimately you need to try different classes out and find out what suits your playstyle. Don't feel like trying a class out is a complete waste. if you intend to pvp effectively, the more you know about all the different classes, the more easily you'll be able to handle them.

What happened to the other thread with the non official version? Did the private server get shut down again or something? I'd go look myself but I can't remember the name of it.

>>16656985

>elemental can be fun, but shaman is a bit weak to getting resheeped constantly

An ele shaman just won a duel tournament on Blizzard's server and towards end it was against 3 different frost mages in a row. Didn't look like they had much of a chance at all and they did play extremely defensively with polymorph resets (even rebuffing arcane int, frost armor, dampen magic on the resets), advanced tactics like clearing grounding totems with R1 spells etc.

Now it was a lvl 40 tournament but still. I believe mages are the least of your problems as an elemental shaman.

>>16654370

prot paladins generated sky-high amounts of AoE(and single-target) aggro, but only in raids, by casting judgement of light on the skulled target

every time judgement of light healed somebody, the paladin that casted the judgement gained threat

but they were squishier than prot warriors and were prone to getting killed by a string of crushing blows, and they also lacked the 10% damage reduction from defensive stance

>>16654462

how did they hit 60% spell crit? couldn't they only get like +22% or so from buffs alone?

At this point pservers are more blizzlike than Activisions "vanilla". Someone tell me why the fuck should I be hyped for sharding, no unarmored mounts, no progressive itemization, loot trading, right click report, nerfed AV ect. The list just goes on. Haven't even mentioned twitch streamer faggotry or cash shop

>>16656358

Greater fracturing of the community, worlds will be empty wastelands, shutdown of the game before 2025

>>16663448

Shamans definitely have the edge against mages at most levels. Earth shock prevents casting, and they can self heal well.

Mages struggle against healing classes but excel against all classes without heals. Sheep is mostly important in avoiding ganks or group pvp, and doesn't really help dueling (except letting you reset the fight) since it heals up your opponent.

>>16663635

>sharding

bad, but supposedly it'll only be there with launch, and already has some anti-exploit measures. Valid complaint, but hopefully will be fixed. (Also sharding is more blizzlike than 20,000 concurrent players in one server).

>no unarmored mounts

literally noone cares about this shit

>no progressive itemization

most pservers either have incorrect item values, incorrect or nonexistent progressive gear, or both. Not to mention every fucking pserver starts with 1.12 talents, which completely destroys any progression curve way more than 2% hit chance from a belt.

>loot trading

this really has no impact, as people can just invite people into the raid, summon, and give the gear to them with master loot anyway.

>right click report

already patched out

>nerfed AV

Psever AV with bugs out the ass, or nerfed AV, pick your poison

>cash shop

won't exist

>twitch streamers

just avoid the "streamer server." But people like monkeynews already streamed on private servers anyway.

Classic WoW isn't the 2nd coming of Christ, but lets not be delusional about how shit private servers are.

*If* I roll on classic, it will be for the following reasons:

-won't randomly shut down after 6 months due to a DDOS or DMCA

-less chink goldfarmers due to region locking and actively banning goldsellers

-most likely less, or at least more conistency in standards of powerhungry mods.

Could mention things like actually working quests, but I think most people just want a server with consistent administration that won't randomly poof into non-existence.

>>16664711

today, a blue post confirmed that right-click report will be in Classic, and that it was "inadvertently" removed from the beta

>>16664725

excuse me, that was last night

and whats this about region-locking?

>>16664727

chinks can't play on US servers

link to blue post?

>>16664783

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/please-reinstate-or-give-alternative-to-right-click-report/208582

also, press F to pay your respects to hunters:

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-not-a-bug-list/175887/23

>>16665601

>RCR going in

Why do companies insist on making it so the most childish people who can't use the ignore function will just start passing around people's name in goycords to mass ban them

>>16665684

The companies are run by childish people.

>>16665601

ok that's a dealbreaker.

Still not gonna play a private server.

Just gonna spend my time playing another game instead.

>>16664711

>Psever AV with bugs out the ass, or nerfed AV, pick your poison

Classic's AV will make BG ranking a giant meme. Nerfed AV is infinitely more efficient honor/hour than every other BG, meaning rank 14's will be decided by who can zerg AV the most while not PvPing a single player once the BG patch comes along. At least on private servers AV is only efficient honor on the weekend events.

>just avoid the "streamer server."

Almost every single one of them have said they aren't rolling on a dedicated streamer server and will likely attempt to hide their servers at least for a few days at the start, which further implies that they have no intention on playing a dedicated streamer specific server.

>Classic WoW isn't the 2nd coming of Christ, but lets not be delusional about how shit private servers are.

Private servers are shit but you haven't made a convincing argument for ActiBlizzard's Classic being a better service. Especially now with the news that right-click reporting is going to be in the game. People always tend to forget the fact that the chinks hope core is completely open source and in the players control. Private servers are only going to get better and better now that we have the source material for every single data point in the game.

>-won't randomly shut down after 6 months due to a DDOS or DMCA

If you roll on a server that isn't based in russia you're simply a retard.

>-less chink goldfarmers due to region locking and actively banning goldsellers

Maybe, maybe not. Servers being plagued with chink gold sellers isn't just a private server thing, it isn't even just a Vanilla thing. Go on any major retail server right now and the entire trade chat is often moon runes if you don't have an addon to filter the chat.

>-most likely less, or at least more conistency in standards of powerhungry mods.

Objectively untrue. GM's have already started teleporting gankers away from streamers on the beta who are doing events. Blizzards updated ToS forbids any ""targeted harassment", which means Blizzard can just decide to suspend anyone who targets a streamer. With right-click reporting in the game you can bet that streamers and their viewers will spam report you for "steam sniping" them resulting in you being instantly banned by the system. This has been proven to work multiple times by rated BG players and Blizzard hasn't said a single word about it in years even though the system is still just as exploitable.

>>16665684

The kinds of people that want everyone censored and coincidentally the biggest pay piggies. Blizzard designs their entire games and marketing philosophies around appealing to people that buy stupid micro-transactions, not people who just enjoy buying and playing good games. Even though Classic itself doesn't have micro-transactions, Blizzard is just using Classic as a PR stunt to keep people looking at the latest games new micro-transactions. They realized they are missing out on a lot of eyes in the private server community. Just the fact that you'll have the blizzard app installed and booted up daily means they get millions of dollars in free advertisement because you are physically forced to look at their ads every single time you go to boot the game. I'd be impressed if I wasn't so absolutely fucking disgusted.

>>16666135

>meaning rank 14's will be decided by who can zerg AV the most while not PvPing a single player once

rank 14s are already decided by people queuedodging them and letting them get free insta-wins in bgs.

>If you roll on a server that isn't based in russia you're simply a retard.

All of the russia servers have shit scripting or p2w aspects or both.

>right-click-reporting being included

Can't wait to see the shills ITT try to defend this. >>16664711

>most pservers either have incorrect item values

False, the item values were almost always correct since data was available from archived pages and such.

>incorrect or nonexistent progressive gear

Not an issue in vanilla, TBC pserverse have this issue though.

Go suck more blizzard cock you stupid nigger. Anyone who gives them a dime should kill themselves.

>>16666156

you're literally retarded if you think i'm a shill

>>16666156

It's basic knowledge that shit like ironfoe and HoJ have incorrect proc rates, as well as most other weapons with on-hit effects, especially considering nearly every private server has different rates for all of them. Also I distinctly remember mobs on private servers having incorrect drop tables last time I played.

Go suck cock pserver shill. I bet you're just mad that you'll be getting less donations to your shitty server now.

>>16666153

>All of the russia servers have shit scripting

Hunters still less bugged on private servers than they are in Classic. The problems with private server scripting stem almost entirely from the fact that the majority of projects *were* closed source. Now that open source projects are becoming more and more common, and now that we have the source material, private servers quality is going to sky rocket.

>>16666188

>It's basic knowledge that shit like ironfoe and HoJ have incorrect proc rates, as well as most other weapons with on-hit effects, especially considering nearly every private server has different rates for all of them.

They're "incorrect" because it's physically impossible to confirm them. Now that Classic is dropping the proc rates will be known and can be fixed.

>Also I distinctly remember mobs on private servers having incorrect drop tables last time I played.

Also impossible to know these things for certain based on the archived information currently available. These aren't the fault of private server developers. Are you seriously criticizing the fact that they didn't guess the bag drop rate percentage down to the decimal? Don't be ridiculous man.

>>16666199

This apologist nonsense is getting out of hand.

First it's "PRIVATE SERVERS ARE 1005% BLIZZLIKE WE KNOW FROM ARCHIVED DATA"

Then when confronted with the truth its "B-B-B-UT THEY'LL FIX IT" or "ITS NOT PRIVATE SERVERS FAULT THAT THEY'RE ALL SHIT WE DON'T HAVE ARCHIVED DATA."

I've seen this same song and dance for the past decade where every private server claims it's 100% perfect and you can see the shit leaking out the seams in the first 10 minutes of playtime.

Every private server is dogshit. Face the facts.

>>16666188

You're one of the most obvious shills this entire thread. Ironfoe and HoJ both have worked fine on LH and Kronos, the only thing that was bugged for a long time was the warrior sword talent for the extra swing, but that's been fixed on Kronos for a decent bit now.

>>16666237

Also, many pservers have good scripting and work fine. The drop tables are very accurate - something dropping 0.05% of the time instead of 0.06% is not a significant variable, and you're attempting to grasp at straws to try to shill for blizz.

Pservers are superior to blizzard's turd, now go pay money so you can get banned because a bunch of faggots mass-reported you (with the right-click-reporting that's been confirmed to be included) for saying there are only two genders you fucking nigger.

>>16666237

Repeating my arguments in a condescending tone is not an argument in and of itself, unfortunately. Your standard for a free service that Blizzard refused to provide is for them to correctly guess data points that were physically impossible to access for 15 years and had to be based off of small snippets of 360p footage and hearsay? The only apologist here seems to be you for Activision Blizzard. No one has once claimed that private servers were accurate or good, that's not the point. The point is that the current standard for private server scripting is 100% open source projects that now have access to the data they need and can be hosted and modified by literally anyone who wants to fuck with them.

You're just constantly spewing these strawman without engaging with any of the points I've actually made. I don't really even understand why someone who try so desperately to argue against free open source projects, it all just comes off as ludicrous. Sure private servers didn't always operate that way, but that doesn't matter. What's done is done and we can only look towards what we have now and in the future, and the future of the chinks hope core is looking pretty damn good if you ask me. Maybe private servers die off, but at least I can still be confident that I can boot up the chinks hope core and explore the world whenever I want without needing to worry about perpetually paying for a license to access the fucking game I purchased over a decade ago.

>>16666243

You're delusional. Have fun shilling your dogshit server.

>>16666273

Your arguments are contradictory. Have fun samefagging and being an apologist for your shitty chink money embezzling scheme.

Also

>implying i'm going to play Classic WoW

Just because I don't wan't to play dogshit doesn't mean I'm going to play horse shit either. I'd rather just watch anime than play another dogshit private server with the same problems as the past 10 ones, and with RCR I'm going to stay away from Classic as well.

>>16666291

>You're delusional. Have fun shilling your dogshit server.

Have fun shiling your dogshit blizzard server, hope the 10 cents per post you get paid is worth it.

>>16666291

>still no argument

That's that then I suppose. Have a good one.

>Just because I don't wan't to play dogshit doesn't mean I'm going to play horse shit either. I'd rather just watch anime than play another dogshit private server with the same problems as the past 10 ones

Agreeable, WoW is pretty gay. Good choice.

>>16666291

To be fair, any private server left standing might take classic as a way to improve their own codebase,

>>16666237

Only redditors 100% believed that schtick. It's well known vanilla was never really documented. The idiots assumed it was because most people who jumped into private servers due to nost are "modern gamers" and are used to having everything at their fingertips. Later versions like TBC and especially wrath have tons of documentation on their underlying systems and mechanics. You seem to be a retard

I'm wondering if Private servers had wrong values, or if blizzard is silently fucking up stats and whatnot to keep casuals hooked day 1. The melee leeway is going to fuck hunters so RIP

>>16666331

>I'm wondering if Private servers had wrong values, or if blizzard is silently fucking up stats and whatnot to keep casuals hooked day 1. The melee leeway is going to fuck hunters so RIP

Both. Stuff like spell batching is obviously incorrect (i'm 99% sure most of the inconsistencies with melee leeway are due to spell batching and not the leeway itself), but I know from 1sthand experience of playing retail vanilla that private servers had a lot of stuff that was just hilariously wrong and private server shills defend to the death.

>>16666331

How does Blizzard even know the correct values? Didn't they delete that shit years ago?

>>16668391

They're basically making them up as they go for things that weren't accurately recorded like proc rates. OOC regen and the like.

>>16666331

Poorly documented, with plenty of hotfixes not being part of patch notes, and way too many screenshots/videos from that era no longer being available.

>>16666355

Spell batching on beta is horribly wrong. The best way I can explain it is that it feels like the batch goes through every 350-400ms instead of a more accurate 200ms estimation.

>>16668400

Why would they need to make up the rates for OOC regen? Just look at old videos where someone opens up their character screen and check their regen. Rinse and repeat for each class.

>>16669241

Look, that's work, and that's something blizzard is not going to do. The OOC regen for the first bit was so fast it almost invalidated eating and drinking then after people pointed it out they patched it down, claiming it was an error from them having to use legion code chunks

>>16620238

i wouldnt want to play only with germans

t.german

>>16669148

Did anyone ever publicly regret getting a WoW tattoo?

>>16670198

>Did anyone ever publicly regret getting a WoW tattoo?

This isn't really public but one of my former friends had a tattoo of the Horde Symbol on his arm from 2006 to 2018. They got it removed after The Burning of Teldrassil incident because as they put it.

>"The Horde I loved died after thrall left. Ever since he left the horde has been nothing but evil. I only supported them for this long because I hoped we'd go back to the band of outcasts that just wanted to live in azeroth. But it's clear the faction I loved will never return. So, anon. Stop asking me why I removed the tattoo."

Other than that, I know of no other person who removed their tattoo.

>>16669241

Pretty much. Classic might be a boon to the private server community because of documentation for it from the supposed 1.12 source. Coupled with data mining you could probably rip the code and then use it as a basis for one of the more complete server cores and go off that.

as for spell batching, that's more likely due to how vanilla had fucking UDP (IIRC) for sending data packets to the client and lead to the shitty hit detection from time to time.

>>16669241

>Just look at old videos where someone opens up their character screen and check their regen

Most videos are now either defunct or just so low quality it'd be impossible to make out numbers, especially if recorded on al old 800x600 display

>>16668391

supposedly they found a backup lying around somewhere.

Assuming this is true, most of the inaccuracies are due to them porting things to the bfa engine or faking systems like they're doing with spell batching.

>>16670525

>>16669241

even having a video wouldn't help too much, since you'd need to know regen rates at low-mid levels too. I'm pretty sure spirit works sorta like agility where you get different regen rates at different levels. This means you'd need like 7 or so vids at different levels all showing the spirit value on char screen.

>>16656383

>I think the best WoW experience would actually be TBC classes, talent trees and likewise gear options locked down into level 60 content with 40 man content.

I agree. Enough that I would give Blizzard a subscription or two at least. But I also have complete confidence in Blizzard's ability to make my disgust greater than my pleasure with their modern community and cash shop services.

>>16673492

Meanwhile I'd want a LOTRO private server with a level 50 cap and no cash shop. LOTRO had some amazing raids/dungeons especially at the level 50-65 caps, but the insane power creep and talent tree rebalances ruined the game.

Legendary items were an awesome concept though, and would be a perfect capstone at level 50, since their main issue was that you destroyed your level 60 1st age LIs for level 61 third agers, which got worse every expansion.

>>16672883

If you had the formula at which stats and whatnot are done you could figure that out though with simple mathematics

>>16666331

Dead zones were real.

>>16677923

god's work

>>16677923

Anyone who upsets faggot streamers is a cool dude in my book.

>>16677923

I didn't really like this guys epic trolling montages, almost always he's opening on someone who has mobs on them and are very low HP, or he's going in with his druid friends for a guaranteed kill. The fight against Venruki and the other mage in Tanaris was a bit impressive though, there was some skill displayed.

Overall most of his ganks are so easy anyone could pull them off, i think Trollgodx wore it better. The only thing Rich is good at is being universally disliked by all those streamers he is seething at all the time.

t. not a streamer

>>16678777

>seething

You don't deserve those trips, 4um scum.

>>16678777

Noticing some of the people dueling in that vid, I saw someone like perplexity which I think was supposedly a good duelist, considering theres a few of them around, I would fight dirty also.

I aint much of a poopsock to face off players like that solo.

>>16676549

Why are you referring to the same person using both they/he in the same text?

>>16678777

>>16678831

>hurt the viewers

So? If you unironically watch balding adult men play video games, especially WoW of all games, you're an actual fucking brain dead retard. These compilations are hilariously and I couldn't possibly care less if the streamers fail or succeed because I don't have actual fucking brain damage and have absolutely no investment in them what so ever. It's funny to watch people get butthurt over video games, simple as that. I guess you could say some of them ham it up and are just pretending to get mad, like Payo, and I'd agree that the clips of him are retarded, but most of these stream niggers leeches care more about appearing "good" at WoW (like that even fucking makes sense, you literally can't be "good" at an RPG) than they do their viewer numbers and they are getting legitimately pissed off at having their faggety little pseudo-arena events griefed. I wish death on all streamers and their avid pay piggy viewers.

>>16676727

I know deadzones are a thing, but are they the same as this leeway bullshit?

>>16677923

PERFECT!

>>16680538

Ele is absolutely meta at lvl 60 battleground pvp. Those fuckers will eat through your HP in a few short bursts while providing excellent support for their team as well.

Taking one for WSG is the meta, speccing him into ele/resto hybrid (I think they're running with 30 points in ele) is the meta, they are viable and they absolutely will outperform deep resto shammies because of how they basically invalidate the enemy team's healing with their one-shotting.

What I was pointing out in my earlier post was how their kit is tailored to fuck over casters. I have no doubt in my mind that the tournament would have looked completely different if those frost mages didn't weed out all the warriors and rogues, basically giving the ele shammy an easy path to winning the whole thing.

>>16680556

>the meta

if you have a full pvp group to run with then you don't have to worry as much because your team will cover your ass. but if you are queueing solo, good luck.

a healing shaman is worse but that doesnt mean you won't get clowned as elemental.

shamans seemingly have a good kit vs casters, and sure you might even pop a few, but overall you will find the experience frustrating.

>>16680561

Sure, elemental shammies have lots of problems. Two of those problems are warriors and rogues which is a sizeable chunk of any server's population so playing ele in solo pvp is going to be a frustrating affair.

However as we all know, battleground pvp is a completely different thing and in the interest of getting honor points, they are stronger than the other shammy specs and completely viable.

Sure you could argue that resto shammies are stronger for solo-queueing but it could just as well be the other way around. All I know is ele is the strongest battleground spec right now if two teams who are fairly competent face eachother.

>>16680538

The people doing the "dumbest strats" that you speak of are known for winning blizzard sponsored tournaments and have/had very high arena ranks, as in, they were good enough at group and solo pvp that they actually won real life money for doing it.

>>16620214

When this shit launches will the (((Beta)))fags all be level 60's or will the servers be completely fresh? If these faggots got to level their shit for like 6 months before I can even play I don't know if I even want to play.

>>16681547

>I don't know if I even want to play.

Here is some truth for you, anon.

When "Classic" launches there will be an influx of nostalgia hungry gamers that'll be playing it for around a month or two at most. Then after like a month or two the nostalgia factor will begin to wear off and they'll start trying to create incentives to play like doing "one level 60 player versus 30 level 1s" and what not. But eventually they'll all reach a point where the idea of playing the game will just seem tiresome because they either done all they wanted too or everyone already accomplished everything possible in it cause remember: Classic has a very limited supply of content and since its almost a guarantee that the company will be trying to create incentives for Classic players to play the Retail version. You will be seeing some users leaving Classic to go back to play the Retail version cuz "new content" and all. There will also be the diehard warcraft fans which jumped onto the ship around Legion that will have a huge realization that WoW was never a game for them and would then shortly leave or make rants on the official platform in hopes to "improve the game" even though the game is running on a old as shit frankenstein engine thats been stretched thin. Stream cucks will not remain active in the classic version regardless because they're audience will either want them to play the retail version or go back to playing X game at some point. The few that remain will be stuck with a pop count that'll only decrease as time goes on until the version they play on eventually becomes just another small social hub for the diehard blizzcucks. The company will then try and create incentives to play through Classic in order to increase the active population count for leveling players and not just the afk'ers that just talk all day, prob by some 'limited time event' like "level to 60 in classic and earn this mount in retail!" or whatever.

>>16677923

I can't wait to see part 2 of this when Classic launches.

>>16681530

>I'm rolling rogue based on how easy this video says it is to get pre-bis.

Rogue is by far the hardest class to get pre-bis geared unless you count warrior with all the epic BoEs.

tired yet?

>>16681530

everyone plays rogue because rogue is the zero effort pvp shitter class. Good luck getting gear.

>>16681530

Lmfao, literally the single most difficult class to get prebis on but ok there bud

>>16681883

You're a fucking retard. The notion that retail has more """content""" is just something brain dead blizzdrones are spouting because their favourite e-celeb said it.

Classic and retail have the same amount of content, Classic arguably has more, the only difference between the two is how you're incentivized to do that content. Retail has everything on timers and infinite goals. If you decide to not play for a single week it's suddenly physically impossible for you to catch up to people who have played every single week non-stop. If you aren't constantly logging in to make sure you've done important world quests then bam, their timer runs out. It's a game experience designed almost entirely around the psychological manipulation used in casino's. Blizzard pulls every single trick in the book in retail. It's a constant state of fear of missing out, mixed with gambling, and they refuse to let someone feel like they've finished the game.

Even in Classic's most autistic grinds, like rank 14, you're allowed to feel like you've finished something. In Classic you can set goals and accomplish them. It doesn't try to be an infinite cash cow money gobbling scheme that endlessly preys on weak minded people who are at risk for gambling addiction.

The idea that Activision Blizzard, the team responsible for fucking creating WoD AND BFA, should be allowed to tamper with Classic in ANY meaningful capacity is some of the stupidest shit I've ever heard and you deserve to be fucking shot for even considering it. Classic is what Classic is. I want to be able to boot up the game, play it and accomplish my goals, leave, then come back years later and know the game is exactly as I left and then I can accomplish new goals. Because the game is so vast this kind of approach is perfectly reasonable. Maybe there's a fresh server coming out and this time you want to clear Naxx, maybe you want to hit rank 14, or maybe you just want to farm that 1% drop rate epic in dungeons because you think the proc would be fun to mess around with. There are always goals to be set and the game doesn't make you feel like you're obligated to achieve any or all of them.

You stupid fucking zoomers have had your minds polluted with corporate garbage. Somehow you've been brain washed into thinking that if a game isn't widely successful it's therefore not fun. Every argument I see posted is about how "t-the normalfags won't like it so it won't make ActiBlizz money and that's somehow a bad thing for some reason!!". Why the fuck do I give a shit what makes Blizzard money? Are you fucking retarded? The entire point of Classic in the first place is to just let a piece of history exist as it was. To just let a game be without needing to perpetually fucking tamper with it.

Actually consider suicide for proposing such stupid nonsense.

>>16682262

I don't know if you're baiting or not. Blizzard cares if blizzard marks money, and blizzard is already actively fucking with classic so it's not "existing as it was" already.

>>16683206

I doubt they'll release a patch before classic, they released a patch about 2 weeks ago, really doubt they have another on ready already

>>16683161

>>16683206

Legacy WoW expansions have enough content for literally DECADES without the need to make changes to Vanilla. All these reddit niggers trying desperately to shill for changes to Vanilla make zero sense. It's actually fucking bat shit insane that anyone would consider trying to turn Vanilla into TBC light when you can just release TBC. Normalniggers have this ridiculous fixation on Classic HIV+ rather than just releasing new expansions and I will never understand it.

I'd like to say that anyone arguing for changes to Classic is a blizzard kike shill, but I don't even think it would be profitable either. It'd be way more profitable just to release new expansions since the normalniggers always claim to love TBC and Wrath. And yet now all the sudden they just talk about this weird Classic HIV+ shit? It's such a weird thing that came out of no where. For years and years people just talked about wanting old expansions and then when it's finally here there's a massive seemingly universal shift to letting Activision Blizzard remake the older expansions? And the greatest part is when they always say "when Blizzard remakes Classic in the spirit of vanilla", as if it's 100% set in stone (they ALWAYS say when, not if), and the "spirit of vanilla" shit. As if you can trust the people that literally JUST released BFA, the single worst expansion ever made, to make changes to Vanilla while respecting the game. Fuck off.

The entire thing confuses the fuck out of me because of how out of left field it all is and it makes no sense. I'll ultimately have to conclude that it's just about breaking the spirits of people that enjoy timeless games, because I see no logic to it otherwise. It's some larger kike scheme that is just absurd for absurdities sake.

>>16683315

It's pretty simple on why they change shit.

It's because they know their new audience won't want some of the old shit that's been left there. Shit the forums are already flooded with complaints about the "slow respawn rate" for enemies. They make these changes because they're thinking that it'll be a holdover, and the people who play classic are basically going to no matter what because of the branding which is 100% true, most of the people excited for classic are people who never played the game back in vanilla.

Blizzard changes this shit to make it more accessible to the new audience that's heard of classic but never actually played it while trying to keep it enough like classic to bait nostalgia retards who don't realize that the game was only good because of the community not because the game. So you have an audience of people who will play it no matter what because of nostalgia, and a group of people who may not play it because it's too archaic for them. Why wouldn't they change it to try to get the larger audience.

WoW was very much a product of it's time, it wasn't a good game, but it was a good MMO, it was janky, broken at best, and suffered from massive issues like most MMOs did back in the day. All it had going for it was it was the first major MMO most people heard of and a community. You'll never recapture the community, so they're doing the next best thing and banking off retards who claim classic was the BEST MMO EVER attracting new people, while changing things to keep the audience attracted by their fanboys.

>>16683339

I don't want to say that they can't afford to make changes to the game and piss people off, but obviously Activision Blizzard can afford to do whatever they want. They can afford to make garbage expansions because low effort games are still very profitable because of how many pay piggies they have who buy store mounts.

But ultimately if they attempt this Classic HIV+ shit where they add stuff and change the game after Naxx people are going to be quitting in droves and going back to private servers. Many private server players who got into the beta are already talking about how the beta feels like shit to play on because of the batching and all the class bugs. And considering that the *open source* chinks hope core will have all of the information needed to flesh it out with the launch of Classic, it's not unreasonable to expect people to go to what is essentially the better more faithful version of the game, especially since it's fucking free. I feel like 90% of these Classic HIV+ retards are operating under the assumption that everyone is a good goy like them and won't drop Classic in a heartbeat to just play the free version that anyone can modify in any way they like and run on their own home server.

When you bring private servers and just how unbelievably far they've come in terms of accessibility into the context, things start to look a lot different. The blizzdrones will say "w-well blizzard only didn't take down private servers left and right before since they weren't offering the game! n-now EVERY private server will be taken down on SIGHT you filthy pirates!", but the reality is that paymane has been making millions upon millions of dollars every single year and if Blizzard could have touched them by now they would have.

>>16683362

Private servers also have pretty substantial bugs though. And most of the major ones are slightly infested with a slight chinaman problem, or powerhungry mods who accept bribes. What you're seeing blizz tap into is people who don't want to play p-servers but still want to play vanilla. Which they think is a large enough audience. Though please stop calling it classic HIV+, you're trying too hard and it makes you sound like a retard.

That being said though, I really don't see classic lasting all that long, probably a couple of months tops, not because of the changes, but because vanilla quite frankly is a pretty boring game without the community to completely prop it up.

>>16681547

Beta's closing on the 12th.

>>16682262

>>16683161

While you're both absolutely correct in a sense. Classic is dull and easy, and if you're doing gearing, if you've done all the content, and if you don't feel like PvPing, then there's really nothing to do. Going the retail route with daily/weekly grinds would be awful, but having actual content would be great - even if it's just releasing Classic TBC servers.

>>16683373

>Though please stop calling it classic HIV+

No

>And most of the major ones are slightly infested with a slight chinaman problem

Pretty sure Kronos has chink IP's banned. Either way I'd rather deal with chinks than be a pay piggy for a bastardized version of Classic HIV+.

>>16683389

How is retail any different from Classic? Please explain what """content""" retail has that makes the game somehow more replayable than Classic. Retail obligates you to endlessly grind boring shit. It puts you into a constant state where you fear missing out on weekly things. Classic has the same degree of grind, but doesn't have the retarded systems in place to make you feel like you're obligated to do any of it. If you want to preform exceedingly well in raids then you need to go out into the world and farm mats and gold. But since progression simply doesn't exist in Vanilla because the content isn't difficult, the average player doesn't experience that obligation to be one of the people going full autism and farming 400 gold every week for enough consumes to make the raid clear time 3 minutes faster than last weeks.

I'm not delusional, I understand that Classic on its own is a fucking horrible game in almost every way, but the idea that retail has really any leg up on it in any way shape or form is simply incorrect. Classic is unfortunately the best MMORPG by quite a significant margin.

>>16683435

Read nigga, read. I said content, not dailies/grinding bullshit. As in new dungeons, new raids, new zones, new BGs. As in NOT go grind 10 bear butts to fill your weekly point quota.

>>16683565

Vanilla literally has over double the number of dungeons BFA has.

>>16683602

Are you being obtuse? I don't give a fuck about retail's content. Everything surrounding retail's is dog shit, which is why I quit at the end of Cata: I see no reason to play a MMO if all I'm doing is logging once a week to farm content for 6-8 months and then spend a few weeks doing the raids. All the bells and whistles like daily quests and rep grinds aren't content and if/when I do finish with the grind, I have no reason to bother. Vanilla has PvP. Vanilla PvP is genuinely fun, either solo, in small groups, in organized groups, in BGs, in duels, or in the open world. I want more content that's 1) enjoyable to do 2) I can do at my leisure 3) is challenging. When people want content, that's what they want, even if they can't articulate it, or even realize it. That goes for pretty much every other genre too. Game X comes out. Fans want Game X+1: The Sequeling to be similar, but with the stuff that wasn't great fixed and the stuff that was great iterated on.

I'll be playing Classic and I'll have fun doing it all over again. But I'll get bored of it sooner and later, and then I'll just log in to raid. What I'd like to see is a different branch of servers where it's classic but with stuff like hard mode, challenge runs, timed mode, etc, etc. Or even new game modes, balance fixes, whatever the fuck. Will I get it? Probably not. Will I get it in a polished state? Absolutely not. Will I still yearn for it? Yes.

>>16683633

It's almost as if there's a decades worth of expansions to release for new content. If you legitimately can not grasp why forcing change into Vanilla WoW defeats the entire purpose of re-releasing it in the first place then you're a lost cause. I'd consider seeing a physician for potential brain damage.

Vanilla is doomed. Blizzcucks are already defending bugs on release. Games been 3 years in development btw. What a fucking disappointment, but I saw it coming. Wtf were they doing for 3 years lmfao. How hard was it to release a 15 year-old game in 2019. Mark my words they gonna add wowtoken on this pile of shit. The funny thing is pserver folk will have even more blizzlike experience than now from mining classic values. Holy shit pservers are gonna explode in pop when people realise there is better and more faithful blizzlike alternative than whatever the fuck Activision is offering

>>16687617

>The funny thing is pserver folk will have even more blizzlike experience than now from mining classic values

Yup. Blizzard fucked up so hard by refusing to release legacy expansions for this long. Imagine waiting until the moment the single most developed core for any private server in existence went fucking open source, and THEN announcing that you're going to be making Classic. If they had just announced it months earlier when the Nost team was trying to talk to them and were getting ghosted then it would have prevented Nost from releasing their core to Elysium, which would have prevented it from going open source. Blizzard are so fucking retarded it's hilarious.

Now they are releasing all the fucking values that anyone and their mother can just pump into their own home servers and boot up the game themselves. Anyone can customize the game however they want, role players can use custom models without the fear of getting banned, players will be able to make custom raids and add them to the game. I've dreamed of this shit for years, and the best part is we're getting it not because Blizzard decided to make a quality product, but because Blizzard is completely incompetent. I'll be perfectly honest, not much in life has put a bigger grin on my mug than witnessing this absolute clusterfuck. It's brilliant.