/v/ - Video Games

>playing games past 2013

so its gambling

>>16615306

In the article EA argues that loot box mechanics are no worse than Kinder Eggs, or Hatchimals, except Kinder Eggs / Hatchimals never caused gambling addictions.

>>16615326

>somewhere in the world there's a fat fuck who's addicted to getting rare drops from kinder eggs

That honestly sounds even worse. At least the term lootbox doesn't come with the immediate assumption that you have no control over it.

>>16615326

except kinder egg toys aren't bought and sold (unless you're some kind of autistic collector), don't have different 'tiers', don't influence your performance in a game, nor do they unlock access to certain features in a product.

>>16615306

It's not gambling because you can't win anything.

>>16615364

Shit if you gamble enough in Vegas they at least comp you for room and drinks.

>>16615358

And I forgot the most important thing. kids buy kinder eggs because they WANT TO EAT FUCKING CHOCOLATE, not because of the fucking random toy.

>>16615423

Sports games were actually some of the first to have this.

Trying to rebrand loot boxes since they know their big moneymaking section will end soon. It's their own fault for killing their huge revenue source with that Star Wars Battlefront release.

>>16615440

Just stop releasing retail products and make it all a subscription. $20 a month for access to all of EA's games. For games like FIFA and Madden where people just keep playing them until the next one comes out, rinse and repeat, this will make a ton more money than $60 a year + lootboxes. With that, include previous pay-to-win microtransactions like boosters and such.

Despite it being more expensive for people that only play one game, they'll stomach it because "well, I do have access to the entire catalog if I want to play it" and then we can save more money by having a subscription quota instead of a sales quota. "you need to make X subscriptions happen in the month your game releases". Now I know what you're thinking, "but wouldn't anyone who wants it already have the subscription" and that's the point, son. We'll never have to keep another studio running and cost us money because of "post-launch operating costs" ever again.

>>16615364

>pay money and get a prize

>not winning something

There are retards out there RIGHT NOW who will defend this idea and continue supporting EA. They are the majority of video game consumers.

>>16615343

Kinder egg toys suck nowadays. They used to have these cool solid plastic models, back in Easter I actually bought one and most of it was made of fucking paper.

>>16615539

Way to not even read my post. The toys in kinder eggs have no rarity, you have an equal chance of getting any one of the toys when you get it. So if there's 5 possible toys and you buy 5, there's a really good chance you'll get the one you want (to the point where I'd be more surprised if you didn't get it). Unlike TCGs where (and you'd know this if you read my fucking post you illiterate double nigger) they have rarity so that means there's a lesser chance of getting the thing you want.

Kinder eggs are a game of chance, TCGs are gambling and I never argued they weren't.

>>16615465

That could work. Just have 10c for every purchase of vegan friendly DLC go to black charities to please the hipsters.

>>16615491

I feel like a $300 founder's pack for one year's access of all EA games would work better since that would appeal more to the impulsive shoppers (the kind of goy who fall for microtransactions).

How are loot boxes different from something like a booster pack for a card game?

>>16615597

They aren't, both are gambling.

>>16615562

Also, Kinder Egg toys don't affect whether you get to eat all of the chocolate or not.

>Unironically using the "well if we redefine it it doesn't count excuse"

>>16615326

My sister was obsessed with buying a limited run of "Disney princess" kinder eggs I shit you not. The toys are still in the house.

>>16616195

You must be a Leafnigger, kinder eggs are banned in the US because retard kids kept biting into it aggressively expecting solid chocolate only to choke on the plastic egg

>>16616173

This is why they also redefined sexuality and gender to be two separate things. So they can say "crossdressing isnt inherently sexual, see!" then promote that 10 year old Drag queen

>>16616210

They did it with racism too, because it helps prevent a cohesive national identity.

>>16615300

I mean to be fair, I bet the parents are surprised when the kids EA are targeting with these lootboxes steal their credit cards and run up thousands of dollars of debt.

Holy fuck, hahaha.

That’s their legal strategy?

>>16615502

A virtual knife recolor isn't a prize. It's an insult.

>>16615326

Except with Kinder Eggs and Gachaballs you're entitled to the item you just got from the lottery, whereas in EA's system they can strip away all you got, plus minors it's like giving minors a way to also buy unlimited amounts of Kinder Eggs without their parents' consent.

>>16615537

Do Mimics have to be chests? Can't they be like doors or other containers?

>>16615300

>surprise mechanics

The word "mechanics" has lost all meaning. It was originally meant to be used in reference to a game's already understood systems to help better facilitate communication, but now is being as misused as the word "literally" by every normalfag and PR representative to the point of redundancy. You can't just append the word "mechanics" to another descriptive word and expect it to have any meaning. If you say such nonsense like, "This game's jumping mechanics left much to be desired," or "The stealth mechanics lend themselves to the game's emergent gameplay" then you're a retard because you're making vague and nondescript statements that say very little or nothing at all about said mechanics or the game in question. It's better to try and describe what mechanics you're referring to, how they operate, and why you have a positive or negative opinion on them than it is to make such vacuous statements while also tipping your fedora so fucking hard that the space-time continuum implodes and your greasy hair follicles become the basis for new life after the universe is destroyed.

> “We do think the way that we have implemented these kinds of mechanics – and FIFA of course is our big one, our FIFA Ultimate Team and our packs – is actually quite ethical and quite fun, quite enjoyable to people.

>“We do agree with the UK gambling commission, the Australian gambling commission, and many other gambling commissions that they aren’t gambling, and we also disagree that there’s evidence that shows it leads to gambling. Instead we think it’s like many other products that people enjoy in a healthy way, and like the element of surprise.”

This is the PR equivalent of "NO U" or "nuh uh" in response to the legitimate concerns that are raised about lootboxes as a concept.

>>16615300

Reminds me of that ancient meme: It's not rape if you yell "Surprise!"

>>16615562

>Kinder eggs are a game of chance, TCGs are gambling

gam·ble

/ˈɡambəl/

Learn to pronounce

verb

gerund or present participle: gambling

1.

play games of chance for money; bet.

never change /v/

>>16616209

Quick, someone find a way to injure a child with a lootbox and this shit will get banned quicker than a white male at an Overwatch tournament.

>>16615511

Finally something I can agree with EA on

>predatory consumer practices

If you're such a brainlet that you buy these things, you deserve to be taken advantage of. Yes, even children.

>>16615300

Let's call it talmudic trickery instead.

>>16616528

Avoiding the mafia isn't a long term option. They are seeing humans as numbers and stack the odds against us. They are deliberately forcing mankind to become weak, dumb and docile, just so that they can keep running their crime rackets. EA doesn't create consumer products, they mold consumers into accepting garbage.

>>16615502

>Prize that isn't a service or a physical object you can exchange for any legal tender

At least with Valve's cancerous piece of shit the skins match the definiton of gambling because you can exchange them for tangible money, be it either steam funbux or federal reserve funbux

>>16616302

>Do Mimics have to be chests? Can't they be like doors or other containers?

>yfw mimic gloryhole

>>16615562

>So if there's 5 possible toys and you buy 5, there's a really good chance you'll get the one you want (to the point where I'd be more surprised if you didn't get it).

The chance of not getting a specific toy out of 5 toys after buying 5 random toys is 32.768%. 1/3 chance is not surprising.

>>16616550

Europoors can't get enough of FIFA

>>16616542

>No one's forcing you to buy it

Yes they do, by systematically taking out the competition, by attacking anyone who speaks up against mafia tactics used on children, by corrupting education, advertisement, politics etc. to sell hedonism to the masses. Look what they did to money? A dollar today is worth -22.3 trillion in debt to the jewish mafia, who is about to end all physical money. How does not supporting that system has turned out for us? They are always using the same tactics…destroy the past, exploit the present and corrupt the future.

>>16616554

FIFA!? J00 g0t dat FIFA?!

All we have to do is nuke Brazil.

>>16616542

>lol just don't buy it

>If everyone was perfectly moral, incorruptible, virtuous, impervious to biases and information asymmetry capitalism would work without any predatory tactics.

Why not be communists at that point and have a sense of community &cooperation if everyone is perfectly moral, incorruptible, virtuous, impervious to biases and information asymmetry?

>>16616542

Based, can I blast interracial tranny porn 24/7 into your household and sell addictive drugs to your kids?

Better yet, how about I lace candy bars with AIDS, nigger cum and cocaine then give them away for free, buyer beware (^:

>>16616556

> Look what they did to money?

Did you know that US dollars loses half of its purchasing power every generation?

>>16616362

By your argument, casino's that use chips instead of cash do not have gambling because you are playing for plastic chips and not money.

Also thats a nice dictionary definition, but its not how legal systems define it.

Gambling is defined by law as activities that have 3 elements present

Consideration, Prize and Chance.

Consideration

>Typicaly means players must pay something of value to be eligible to participate.

Prize

>Includes not only money, but anything of value.

Chance

>meaning the outcome is not determined by skill.

Additionally states have the option to pass laws that exclude certain activities from being considered gambling.

I have to pay real money to open the loot box and money is something of value so we have consideration.

Whether or not a cosmetic skin is of value is perhaps up for debate. But that is decided by jurisdictions not individuals, hence why these practices must be examined by government bodies.

You can not be skilled at opening a lootbox. The outcome is truly a random and chance based outcome.

>>16616409

The kid was gambling every penny his parents had on their credit card on a game of lootboxes. When his parents found out he had maxed their credit cards out they beat him senseless.

>>16615300

>surprise box

A surprise? That you don't know the content within? You mean…

You have to take a gamble to find out what the surprise mechanic is?

>>16616550

These companies have long since gotten past the need to actually satisfy a customer and have been in full too big to fail mode for decades now.

>>16615300

Any game made since 2007 is shit. Play only older and better games, all pirated and without enabling any company to profit from them. Those who still don't do this deserve to be scammed.

Good to know that governments are regulating everything to ruin those companies, as it should be the norm. If parents can't control their children and let them feed those companies, those parents must not be allowed any freedom or control over their children at all. The same goes for "adult" whales and their addiction to spending. Having disposable income must never be an excuse for anyone to feed corrupt corporations. If those whales have the freedom to do so, then that freedom must be taken away from them.

>>16616593

>Any game made since 2007 is shit.

Wrong. Stop being a blackpilled faggot if you want anyone to take you seirously.

>>16616629

Yeah but I'd like more porn of mimics.

>>>/v/16616619

You're doing an incredibly bad job at trying to fit in.

>>16616593

It's like 9 in the morning in your shithole country, Luciano, go eat your Uma Delicia and fuck off.

>>16616668

What's your point? Spell it out, don't be a nigger. I'm not so blatantly wrong you can just smugly disregard my opinion. I can name plenty of video games after 2007 that aren't shit and would be worth buying if I could afford them.

Kikes gotta kike

>>16616668

The Torfag is wrong and you're being an idiot. There are plenty of good games that have come out since 2007, you're just being a nostalgic cunt. Games as an industry have gotten much worse, but "any game made since 2007 is shit" is the kind of thing that children and morons who don't play games would say.

>>>/v/16616680

Learn how IDs work.

This is incredibly easy to weasel your way around and you get a big company backing you up in the form of blizzard and WOTC.

>The new Fifa will be a TCG

>You get all your base player cards and then open packs to get newer players or upgrade

>Packs include retired players in their prime as well as younger less experienced days and near retirement age

>You get 1 pack per game or you can buy a pack for $1 each

Simple. Make your game interface a TCG but other wise play exactly like it always does and you have your get out of jail free card. TCGs are not considered gambling as long as no money is being bet (strict laws on this).

>>16616688

Anon, I…

that's exactly how FIFA works already

I know because my faggot friend keeps talking about it because he's addicted and can't fucking stop even though he has a meltdown over the game every single fucking weekend

>/intl/ this desperate to derail a thread critical of EA

>>16616693

Is it marketed as a TCG though? I've not played a game with loot boxes you could buy, just random ingame drops.

>>16616695

No, it's marketed as a FIFA game, but you buy "packs" with "Player cards". You even got the part about players in their prime, almost retired, young, etc. special cards right.

>>16616688

>>16616693

>>16616695

>>16616698

Even if it wasn't protected by some overly specific law the mob runs FIFA and will just have any politician that tries to do anything about this shit killed off. They've done it before.

>>16616706

WOTC has already done all the legal work to make sure TCGs aren't considered gambling.

>>16616698

So Fifa 2020 is marketed as a TCG and it's in the clear.

>>16616727

It's been like that since FIFA 2014 at the very least.

>>16616730

What if we turn the subscriptions into lootboxes as well?

>>16616727

Not really, since the TCG shit basically operates on lootbox strategies. paper or virtual it's the same.

>>16616734

So either you pay $60 a month to subscribe to a random game, or the game changes every other day or so? I like it!

>>16616730

They're already doing that. Xbox pass is the name of Microsoft's one. You pay $10 a month and get access to 100 games right now.

>>16616736

It's the same thing but labeled differently, which is all that matters to EA. Ones legal, ones not. Pick the legal name.

>>16616751

No, you don't understand. You pay $20 a month to get access to ONE game, not 100

>>16616754

They tried that with MMOs and it doesn't work. you lose subscribers too fast and on a whim. You can do the whole package and keep subscriber numbers high.

>>16616209

I see Kinder Eggs all the time in the US what are you talking about.

>>16616773

The ban was lifted very recently.

>>16616571

TCGs may be gambling, but its honestly the most fair way to distribute the product.

Think about it like this, if they sold cards directly they would have to sell them at expected 2ndary market price. If they sold a $40 card for $20, people would buy the entire market up and scalp the fucl out of it, likely driving the price above the expected $40.

The alternatives are sell the cards at or above expected 2ndary market value or print every card in unlimited quantity forever (which would raise the price further due to how hard this would be to maintain)

Since theyre distrubuted randomly, any chucklefuck has a chance of getting the best cards. It makes sure the supply is distirbuted randomly and provides a healthy 2ndary market.

This isnt just hypitheticals either. There was a recent fiasco with a set of 8 cards being sold for 250 with an expected value of 750. The whole process was fucked and the set was sold out within like an hour.

I think the big difference between tcgs and lootboxes ethically is the limited vs unlimited supply.

>>16616837

Living card games exist and just sell you a fixed product for a fixed price.

>>16616837

The actual alternative is to give every card a certain point cost according to its potential and limit the point value of your deck.

>>16616866

Has there ever been one with a competitive scene on the scale of something like mtg or yugioh?

Not saying it couldnt work, but has there ever been a case where that model functioned under that sort of massive demand?

>>16616867

That would be an interesting game mechanic, but I dont see how thatd change the market. Theres always going to be centralizing cards that are in much higher demand, regardless of game mechanics

>>16616896

Nothing is on those scales but there has been ones able to sustain themselves for years no problem. they usually die sue to licensing running out and parent companies getting greedy not loss of playerbase. Netrunner recently died that way

>>16616837

>but its honestly the most fair way to distribute the product

They could put the card info up long before the cards are released and allow players to order the cards they want before the cards are made.

They could then make all the cards they need to meet an assumed minimum demand.

After meeting that demand, they could then make a surplus of the card based on the initial demand, that they then release as needed over time.

This would lower the volume of cards purchased, and thus make the company less money, but with this route, everyone who wants the card will be able to get the card without there being a shortage, as even if a person orders 100 of a card that they assume will have a better secondary price, the scalpers wouldn't be able to buy up the entire market because of how god damn cheap it is to manufacture trading cards.

At worst there would be issues with back orders, but its extremely easy to calculate the profit margins on trading cards for the companies that make them.

Inb4

>why would anyone buy the cards if they knew what the cards had one them and could just use a stand in

Why do people buy the cards in the first place in TCGs that allow this?

>>16616837

>If they sold a $40 card for $20, people would buy the entire market up and scalp the fucl out of it, likely driving the price above the expected $40.

wtf?

If they sell a piece of paint on cardboard for 20 bucks and someone else sells the used piece of cardboard for more people buy the new one. Unless they're retarded enough to run out of stock when quite literally printing money.

If they sell cards directly they fully saturate the market. The only secondary market will be cheaper-

Besides, the only reason that card is 20 or 40 or whatever bucks is it's usefulness or attractiveness or whatever combines with it's scarcity. If an infinite supply of each card with direct purchase option exists their maximum worth is dictated by the seller.

It seems EA shills are shitposting here today.

>>16615539

>Doesn't make (((card packs))) any less gambling.

agree 100%

if you want to ban loot boxes you should ban this shit too

although i would ban either of them because >muh free market and all that shit

>>16617018

TCG markets are complex. You have to convince collectors there's some exclusivity while keeping people buying packs. You can often buy sets retail for 20 bucks which sell for 10 times that.

>>16617062

those keychains are cool.

Loot crates were a fad for a while. Don't know if they still are.

>>16617072

They are very low quality and are made of significantly weaker materials at the on the loop that the metal part attached to the main body.

>>16617037

>if you want to ban loot boxes you should ban this shit too

Fuck you commie and your bans.

No bans.

Just same regulation as casinos.

Fair is fair.

>>16617096

I'm sure there are laws on the books that exempt trading cards from back when baseball cards were a big thing.

Oh hey, the classic "you're a communist" shtick. This is, what, the 5th derail attempt EA's pulled so far?

>>16615300

>Calling loot boxes "surprise mechanics"

>Claiming they are just like kinder eggs

We banned Kinder Eggs for almost a full century in the US you fucking ham salads, who the fuck came up with that defense?

>>16616554

This. This is why they are pushing loot box defense in Europe specifically. They're buying soccer loot boxes like you wouldn't believe. Everything EA does can crash at the same time and it will still never matter while FIFA is single-handedly holding up the entire budget of the company.

>>16617116

The funny part is that if you actually try to play FIFA online you'll find at least half of all the eurofags in any given game are obvious refugees living off welfare. This shit is some kind of money laundering scheme.

>>16615537

>new feature of surprise mechanic is unhappy surprises

>lootboxes now have "rewards" that deduct currency or reset your game progress

the worst part is this would be better than the current system since it would encourage whales to more carefully consider their purchases

Lootboxes are already banned in belgium. Do games there get released with all the lootbox stuff already added?

>>16617133

They probably just don't come out there at all.

>>16617116

We have gone over this before ITT. They were banned in the USA for being choking hazards, not for gambling. Also Kinder Joy eggs are legal in the USA due to them not having the toy inside the chocolate.

That said, the article is about the defense that EA made in the UK not the USA

>>16617124

Poor people are shockingly easy to make money off of. Most of them lack the cultural knowledge on how to save money and invest in their futures so they are prone to spending money they shouldn't for short term benefits. Its how Liquor stores make mad money in poor neighborhoods.

In college I studied homelessness and in one of the anthropological books there was the example of a low income disabled man from IIRC Wisconsin, who was mistakenly sent a welfare check twice. He knew damn well that if he were to cash it he would be on the hook for paying back the money, but he cashed it anyway to buy new shoes and backpacks for two kids he more or less unofficially adopted, and when he received the bill to pay back the government, he couldn't pay, so they took away his next check, and without that check he couldn't make rent for the month and was evicted landing him and the two boys homeless.

>>16615300

This tactic is so daringly stupid that I almost hope EA gets away with it.

>>16617094

Probably but I like the figures mostly.

>>16617124

Shitskins like football for some reason. Football is the UK nogs what basketball is to US nogs. Same mentality and it's why you guys sell shit loads of madden and we sell shit loads of Fifa.

>>16617153

Commie pls.

https://www.upscaleaudio.com/products/audioquest-dragon-zero-full-range-treble-speaker-cable

>>16617153

Poor people unironically use credit cards, pawn shops and payday lenders.

>>16617133

>>16617135

Belgium is small. EA bans them.

>>16616977

>Why do people buy the cards in the first place in TCGs that allow this?

they don't. literally the very first question of every newly announced cardgame gets is "is it a TCG? what's the business model".

the only ones who can get away with it are the old established games or maybe a big enough IP if they'd tried, but even then it's still a gamble.

it's like asking why not every game has a sub when wow had one for 14 years.

>>16615430

>Sports games were actually some of the first to have this.

f2p mmos were

t. some anon who was complaining about lootboxes used to be referred to as "packs" years before it ever went into single player games

>>16616896

>Has there ever been one with a competitive scene on the scale of something like mtg or yugioh?

Warhammer tabble top. though its is not card game

>>16616302

>Do Mimics have to be chests? Can't they be like doors or other containers?

No. Yes.

>A mimic can assume the general shape of any object that fills roughly 150 cubic feet (5 feet by 5 feet by 6 feet), such as a massive chest, a stout bed, or a wide door frame. The creature cannot substantially alter its size, though. A mimic’s body is hard and has a rough texture, no matter what appearance it might present. Anyone who examines the mimic can detect the ruse with a successful Spot check opposed by the mimic’s Disguise check. Of course, by this time it is generally far too late.

>>16617837

The fact you get so worked up over a random internet poll tells me you aren't nearly as intelligent as you like to believe you are.

>>16615388

Because they want to lower your inhibitions and for you to keep gambling at their establishment the next day.

It's 100% a profit tactic, not a 'thank you for spending money' gesture of appreciation.

>>16618110

lmao that's wifey material

>>16618110

>crowd supports EA when they're attacked

gee, its almost like the crowd was paid to be there

>>16618110

Does battle tits actually have a shred of legitimacy under all the journalism whoring?!

>>16618316

Isn't Europe meant to be cucked? Why are they the only ones taken action on this?

>>16618348

Because (((they))) are the first to realize by allowing the game companies to get away with this, (((they))) won't be able to tax these companies properly. Its always about the money.

>>16618356

> (((they))) won't be able to tax these companies properly

A big fat laugh at anyone who believes this.

>>16618348

Europe has better consumer rights than thr USA believe it or not.

>>16618461

> believe it or not.

Actually, I'd believe that very easily. USA has horrible consumer rights laws, American laws in general are horrible.

>>16617837

Lighten up man, it was just a poll on a crappy news site. Sure, if this were a real poll I'd hope it'd be someone like Nestle. Who are known for such nice things as taking over water sources in Africa, bottling it and trying to sell it for money in areas that still use the barter system

>>16615353

JEWCY

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>>16615502

It isn't gambling any more than putting a quarter into a crank machine for a toy is gambling. You don't know what you'll get, but you know you will get something, and you know it will be something with no actual value.

It is, however a predatory business practice that preys on the same psychological weaknesses in people that cause gambling addictions. By all means, lash out at the fucks who do this shit because they fucking deserve it, but mind the terminology. Calling it gambling just gives them an easy out to change the subject and redirect the conversation away from the actual problem with the practice.

>>16618732

>Calling it gambling just gives them an easy out

No it doesn't, there are actual laws against gambling that they are breaking.

>>16618743

By the logic you'd have to use to call loot boxes gambling, those stupid blind bag toys where you pay $5 for something and you don't know what's inside is also gambling. Yes those things are fucking everywhere now. I just don't see that line of argument going anywhere when there's plenty of other reasons to shit on them for pushing loot boxes.

>>16618779

>By the logic you'd have to use to call loot boxes gambling, those stupid blind bag toys where you pay $5 for something and you don't know what's inside is also gambling.

So? Get rid of them too.

>>16618787

You know what. That's a fucking great idea. Imagine being able to know what you buy when you get trading cards. I didn't enjoy having to buy multiple packs just to get the card I want.

>>16618823

Yeah, this blind bag stuff in kids toys just desensitizes them to gambling, so you have idiots like d5e863 growing up to defend companies exploiting children.

Anymore news anon? I want to go to bed

>>16616757

Except MMOs don't have FIFA hombre

Every product in the history of capitalism where you pay for something without knowing exactly what you'll receive is either a scam or gambling, depending on how it's marketed. All of it should burn. Trading card booster packs, blind bag toys, loot boxes. It's all garbage invented by kikes to get as much money from children as possible.

>>16618840

Congratulations

>>16619025

Gumball machines!

>>16615300

doesn't EA know that ==Kinder eggs are not legal in the USA==

they seriously failed with that metaphor.

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>>16618465

Because who cares, if you're too stupid to know shit then it's on you and the government shouldn't baby you, that's why

>>16619250

>literally all flavor (for a minute at best) and no nutrition

>Can't even realistically eat it as a snack

>Sugar fucks your teeth in the long run

But hey! Bright colors generated at random, and a momentary sweet sensation that's gone too quickly. Just like lootboxes

>>16619260

Because they're a choking hazard (by the FDA's absurd determination). The minimum intelligence TSA just enforces it like they were an exotic species.

>>16616896

Those two are literally the two biggest card games in the world. Of course there isn't anything else on that scale.

>>16616837

>the most fair way to distribute the product

The new organisation, NISEI, who run Android: Netrunner create new cards that you can take to a printing service yourself and still play with them in their tournaments.

I think NISEI is full of SJWs

>>16619423

No, they're banned because America doesn't need more chocolate sugar shit you nigger, we're already fat as fuck and have enough companies churning that shit out, there's 4 billion candy companies

>>16623730

Then why isn't all unhealthy candy banned? Actually, it seems to me that kinder eggs would have a relatively low candy to cost ratio due to the shitty trinket inside, so if your intention was to make people healthier, wouldn't those be better than many competing products? Your claim is utterly retarded, because banning one kind of candy is pointless when you have thousands of equally unhealthy candy types that will take up its space on the store shelf.

>>16623833

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>>16619260

>make chocolate

>add Chinese influence

>suddenly eating chocolate is like playing pachinko

I wonder how did the Chinese money in the market fuck gaming so hard

Loot boxes are a good thing. Game development costs are increasing but consumers don't want to pay more. Letting idiots gamble their savings away on skins lets the dev make a profit without charging more for the actual game. It's price discrimination that the consumer chooses.

>>16623954

You're either a shill or an idiot if you buy that excuse.

>>16623954

>pretending that loot boxes isn't the ultimate incentive to design a pachinko machine of a game instead of a game

Games designed with this monetizing option are ever more unlike games and they're only getting worse even if you never get involved with microtransactions as a player yourself.

The industry makes more money than Hollywood at this point they can afford to make actual games but they won't because faggots calling themselves gaming "journalists" keep defending them at every turn when it comes to fucking the consumer.

>>16623833

>Then why isn't all unhealthy candy banned?

because kids that don't know better don't have the money and usually parental oversight, it's only unhealthy if you need it all fucking day.

any adult should know this.

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>>16623994

stop falling for 4um-level bait

dumbfucks still give them money

>>16615326

The difference is you don't have a chance of winning a new car from a Kinder Egg and you can just trade your toy with someone else if you don't like it, not to mention they come with chocolate so there's a sort of baseline benefit to buying one.

>>16615440

Start selling Kickstarter rewards as pre-order tiers that cost more. I don't mean merchandise, I mean shit like "We'll name an NPC after you" and shit like that.

>>16615304

More like past 2007 if you ask me.

>>16616619

He ain't wrong. Also:

>blackpilled faggot

As opposed to what, a redpilled faggot like you probably are, anon? We're all some sorta faggot here. I mean, why else would you be here and not trying to instigate some real change? Cowardice? Even Hitler got out of his house to fight (((them))).

>>16616777

those aren't real kinder eggs, those are wierd hybrids with a chocolate filling.

>>16627811

>the himself once wrote in a blog post that he wanted to avoid the TCG collecting aspect specifically because of the booster packs, he only wanted to deck-building aspect.

and because there is no market for it. release a TCG and watch your game be a stillbirth. only the old established games like mtg/yugi can get away with it. everybody else has to go with a more sane business model. added benefit it keeps the entry fee low so you can more easily grow a competitive scene (and make money that way) like FFG does for example.

Is it gambling when a lot of modern games with loot boxes have a pity timer for getting what you want? I dont mind it much in that case.

>>16616543

But gambling need to cost real money for it to matter. Otherwise Diablo 2 would be banned for the Gambler that gives rare items at low rates.

>>16628130

>>16628119

Just fucking kill yourself already you braindead shill.

>>16628135

I like to argue with people that cares about this issue for several reasons

>Both /v/s, Reddit, Neofag/Pedoera cares agrees with each other on this issue

>While some lootboxes are bad, most mainsteam gacha games have pity rates that makes sure that you get what you want.

>I seen games where lootboxes are a small part of the p2w where whales spend insane money. Loot boxes are not the main problem (expect in some of the worst of them) p2w where you can pay for limitness or near limitness power is

>Nobody cares about different RNG systems that are designed to milk money out of people, even if that is also gambling. While a few mobile games got banned in Netherlands, games that are far worse such as Archeage with regrading or BDO with their gear upgrade system can still be played in Netherlands. Because that dont count as a loot box

>The people who cares about this are very small compared to the whales that spend insane money maxing out their units in their gacha game of choice (FEH needs the same unit 15 times to be maxed out, but there is no shitstorm about that game. And that is just one mainsteam game of note)

>To continue the above point. When Battlefront 2 came out there was a huge shitstorm about lootboxes. But Battlefront 2 lootboxes were way better than Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes and that game had not much of a shitstorm. Nobody here knows how p2w SW:GoH is and makes a shitstorm about it. But Overwatch with their totally harmless loot boxes is a huge deal for some reason. Same with CS:GO, they are really easy to not give a shit about.

>As mobile games continue to dominate over PC because they dont care much about pay2win or loot boxes, more games will move to mobile as it is much more money for much more effort

>I really dont care much about this issue. With stuff like white genocide, cultural marxism and more anti free speech laws coming in the west, this is a really minor issue that i am sad that so many people care about. I think the number who cares about loot boxes are 10x the people if not even more that cares about whites being a minority group in the west and that just makes me sad

>All FIFA needs is a pity timer like most other gacha games need. Then the problem with gambling is solved.

>>16615300

>surprise mechanics

So a trap?

>>16630274

Surprise mechanic like rape.

>It's not rape, it's surprise sex :)

>>16630410

>it's not rape it's surprise mechanics

>>16630536

>>16630560

>only noticing it several days later

>>16630569

t. guy who made a joke several days after it was already made several times

>>16616577

I refuse to believe anything is too big to fail because I refuse to believe that all these companies raking in billions every year by doing absolutely nothing are actually hoarding it in banks instead of blowing it on stupid shit. I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever if they ever suddenly went in the red a few years and were forced to fire a fuckload of employees and scrap a bunch of shit because it turned out that they don't have nearly as much cash to fall back on that they were pretending they did because half a dozen suits were using it to do fuckloads of blow every week.

>>16634933

I fucking hate these low effort jokes so goddamn much. If I have to see another troglodyte say "it's not rape it's surprise sex xD" I'm gonna eat a bullet.

>>16634954

it's not rape it's surprise sex xD

it's not rape it's surprise sex xD

>>>/v/16631700

>>>/v/16634954

You're very clearly not from here. Go back.

>>16627819

>taking white pills

yes please i'd love to feel some fucking joy in my life and like things again

>>16634954

it's not rape it's consensual lovemaking xD

>>16616222

I might be remembering wrong but wasn't the word racism an invention of Trotsky? No need for the usual suspects to redefine it if one of their own defined it in the first place.

>>16615388

This.

>all these posts defending gambling

Kikes go in the oven.

>>16615326

More importantly they have actual physical goods inside them rather than selling pngs that come at no cost to EA after the initial drawfaggotry.

>>16667046

>pngs

Woah there buddy do I look like I'm made of money here? We only got room for jpgs and you'll like it or leave.

>>16616577

>>16631700

>too big to fail

Why the fuck are people STILL misunderstanding what "too big to fail" means, decades after the term was coined?

It has absolutely nothing to do with whether corporation is successful, sustainable, or in any way incapable of failing. In fact, the term becomes meaningless unless you acknowledge that any corporation could fail. The only thing it means is that the corporation is too big TO BE ALLOWED to fail. Certain companies, especially financial institutions, would have catastrophic effects on the global economy if they went under, so governments will prop up and bail out those corporations at any cost, because the alternative is losing everything anyway.

EA doesn't qualify.

>>16668059

Good job not knowing how to read there champ.

>>16668076

What part of "EA can't be too big to fail because they squander the massive amounts of money they get" does not imply a misinterpretation of the term as being based on the survivability of the company, rather than the effects of its failure?

>>>/v/16668091

No, seriously, learn how to read. Also, quit necrobumping weeks old threads with your reddit spacing abortions of a post.

>>16623954

>Game development costs are increasing

No anon you're being retarded stop. Games are cheaper than ever to produce now than they have ever been. The cunts don't even print disks anymore how the fuck could it cost more now than when they were printing them on fucking cartridges?

>>16626721

They already sell $400 collectors editions that don't even include the actual game I don't know how you could get more jewish than that.

>>16668130

Individual units being cheaper (or costless) to produce has nothing to do with how much it costs to develop the product you're making units of.

>>16668137

>MUH CE

that shit is done because different platforms have different sale targets, it makes more sense to just have a general CE and pick whatever platform you want instead of producing 1000 xbone CEs that no ones gonna buy, drop in price after a week which then triggers normalfags because MUH PS4 PRICE.