/v/ - Happy E3

>>16592804

1. Piracy is already stopped with server based games. You can't pirate best games like LoL or Fortnite.

2. Streaming games can work. But. It wouldn't work with existing games. Just like console environment needed change of FPS. Games needed to be specifically designed from the ground for heavy lag environment.

3.

>Who the fuck wants this?

Mobile users. Mobile share is already 50% of the gaming market.

>>16592849

He's not talking about streamers. What he's talking about streaming the gamplay to your home console or computer. You know like Stadia.

No anon you see streaming will totally work when current gen consoles are struggling with 60 fps on a decent resolution and American internet speeds are third world tier, in addition to netcode of a good chunk of games sucking giant dick.

But surely it will work.

Its funny when corporations create their own bubble, get shills to push it, fall for their own marketing hype and believe that somehow they've created some perfect future-proof plan for a future they were pushing towards, and then to watch it all collapse

You'll all witness this in the next few years. Stadia will be a massive public example, but none of them will take the hint and everything will severely hurt if not collapse for it

>>16592870

>and American internet speeds are third world tier,

In the year 2019 world doesn't consist of America only.

>>16592852

Nigger LoL and Fortnite are fucking free you retard, they have no relevance to piracy

>>16592880

>No one actually wanted to because the games are shit

These are top earning games. Cash cows of the industry, it is any developers dream. Imagine players can get all that content for free. Big losses.

But they can't! BTFO by based servers.

>>16592804

You know I was thinking about this just the other day and what Google and the other streaming retards are basically doing is trying to bring back the mainframe environment. Only instead of just serving up static text and images or maybe databases to a few hundred people at once they want millions of people to connect to the same servers running millions of instances of modern bloatware with all its high rez graphics. All at the same time.

I mean there's nothing quite like having to experience fucking network latency in a single player game.

I could see game streaming taking off, if internet plans half the price for what they are now, and no data caps. Which either aren't going to happen anytime soon.

>>16592886

No you fucking retard, I LIVE IN AMERICA. Internet speeds across most of it that aren't silicon valley suck shit, there's loads of ground to cover and barely any infrastructure due to the cable company omniopoly.

>>16592889

Holy shit we actually have shills in this thread. No, the game makes most of it's money off of marketing loops with influencers, not even microtransactions or customer pay, it's PAID because it's used for marketing.

Seriously, you fucked up BIG TIME.

LITERALLY NO ONE LIKES FORTNITE OR LOL. NOT EVEN IRONICALLY.

GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE THREAD.

>>16592883

If you videogame too much in China you go on Poohbear's big shit list.

>>16592891

>I mean there's nothing quite like having to experience fucking network latency in a single player game.

This is why you must to make special game for streaming that doesn't require twitch inputs. For example JRPG are already streaming ready.

>>16592907

>>16592902

>>16592804

I fucking hope so, but normies won't care and will eat it

>>16592871

Reminds me of On-Live.

>>16592905

>For example JRPG are already streaming ready.

Unfortunately all the new JRPGs are trying their darnedest to move away turned based combat so that's less and less true every year. Not to mention that JRPGs aren currently normalfag friendly in the west.

The games normalfags like suffer when lag comes into play.

>>16592907

>Game streaming is targeting a market niche that hasn't been filled yet AKA traveling businessmen who wants to take their game library with them around the world and immediately be able to fire up their normalfag games in hotel rooms

That's even more stupid and you're stupid for supporting the idea.

The thing with game streaming, and further "Software Services" is that 90% of the tech industry is currently shitting its pants because it has around 5 years before the EULA pixies can't steal(they couldn't to begin with, but for the longest time they got away with it) the rights from consumers anymore and it's a last desperate attempt to satiate their god complex.

I don’t really care. If this E3 taught me anything it’s that new vidya isn’t made for me anyways and there’s so many amazing old games out there that I doubt I’ll ever be able to play and beat them all. If Streaming is successful then I’m not missing out on anything, but hopefully it isn’t and takes down all these asshole devs who tried to push it.

>>16592936

Google needs to clear up their storage of unused streaming devices whose name I can't remember.

>>16592924

>Unfortunately all the new JRPGs are trying their darnedest to move away turned based combat so that's less and less true every year

They can return back to tun based or return sideway to real time but auto resolved real time combat similar to RTS but with limited actions per minute. Who first figures such games genre would make made money from streaming like battle royal pioneers deed.

> Not to mention that JRPGs aren currently normalfag friendly in the west.

JRPG is example of gameplay type. It can be filled with any art.

>>16592943

You mean those chrome cast things that near immediately ceased having a point when people realized they could just put android on TVs?

>>16592804

Well if retards stream Netflix, then they're going to stream games, while their data is being sold in live environment.

>>16592957

No, the Netflix crowd is mostly boomers. Next, a single purchase is better then another fucking subscription

>>16592804

>who wants this?

The industry wants streaming to be the only way to play games. The industry believes that the average consumer is a spineless, gutless, dickless little bitch that will eat shit and ask for seconds. The sad thing is that they are probably right.

>>16592952

Yes, turns out they said you need that thing to use Stadia on your TV.

>>16592963

the real sad thing is that you have that little faith in people that you project yourself onto everyone else.

You're the sad asshole, everyone else is saving cash. Also the streaming service requires games, and there's fuck all.

>>16592852

>You can't pirate LoL

I've seen LoL on torrent trackers. There is absolutely a pirate scene for the game.

>>16592957

No they won't because everyone can see it sucks. Netflix is successful because it works and for people who like movies, it's a decent enough service. The problem with game streaming is that it doesn't work. Latency is an undefeatable dragon. Even the Steam Link that just LANs to your desktop has noticeable latency. Stadia is currently advertising several fighting games for it's service and I guarantee they'll all run like shit and leave an awful taste in people's mouths about game streaming.

>>16592963

I don't believe that because I haven't seen ANYONE defend games streaming. I haven't even seen paid shill articles defending it. It's that bleak looking for games streaming.

>>16592852

>>Who the fuck wants this?

>Mobile users. Mobile share is already 50% of the gaming market.

That's how I know that this shit is going to fail. Mobile is already the most streaming friendly platform. The games low skill, the users have extremely poor tastes, it's already a far worse walled garden than PC or consoles have ever been, mobile gamers are extremely promiscuous with their data, and mobile devs are extremely jealous with their content. Furthermore literally 100% of mobile divices are connected 100% of the time.

They could stream everything right now if they wanted to.

And guess what? They don't. Everything is downloaded locally.

>>16592969

> Even the Steam Link that just LANs to your desktop has noticeable latency.

Isn't it easier to just directly hook up your PC to a TV?

>>16592971

Most TVs don't really have that option and the cables are short. Even then, most people won't use that, because I know a bunch of moms out there really don't want to turn the living room into a mancave. Seriously.

>>16592971

Steam link is more for, people with eATX cases that are inconvenient enough to not move to other rooms of the house.

Or people who buy them when they're 2 dollars to fuck around with for a little bit and install retroarch on them and use them as a microconsole

>>16592957

people jumped in with netflix because it really was objectively cheaper than renting movies or cable at the tine, and now people are already getting fed up with it because every company has split off and started their own streaming service drastically increasing the price and hassle to get the same content they were getting a few years ago for 18 bucks a month or so.

Meanwhile gaming wants to start right out the gate with that 'every publisher has their own paid live service' shit which will sabotage themselves right out the gate, and some even have the audacity to try both a live service and charging a purchase price for games. Stadia was already unlikely to succeed, but as soon as the normies find out that 10 bucks a month fee just covers server access and the games themselves are actually separate purchases or require an additional monthly fee to another company to use, it's DoA.

>>16592970

Absolutely true. Mobile users are a terrible audience if that's truly their target. None of them use streaming, my friend doesn't even stream with Spotify. He only bought Premium because it allows him to download the songs to his phone. So the app is really just a second music player app on his phone.

This isn't even to mention how flaky mobile users are. How quickly did Angry Birds go from the #1 mobile game worldwide to everyone uninstalling it? I remember it happening basically over the course of a few months.

>>16592971

Yes and I do it. It's an amazing experience, I don't understand why more people don't just hook up their PC to their TV

>>16592951

>JRPG is example of gameplay type. It can be filled with any art.

It's seems I need to repeat myself. Western normalfags don't like turnbased stuff. The reason that Square has abandoned turnbased for Final Fantasy is to appeal to westerners. Western normalfags would rather play an anime looking game that plays like skyrim than one that looks like skyrim but plays like Dragon Quest.

>>16592907

>Have you ever even bothered to look at available plans in your area?

Yes and they are all outrageous scams. The cheapest unlimited internet plan in my area is $80/ month and I might get 10mb/s. There is a $65/m plan that advertises its 75mb/s but you have a 50gig data cap. I have to pay $175/m to get a connection that's unlimited from that provider. All other packages they provide have caps that the stadia would hit within less than a quarter of a month. And the other places I lived weren't any better.

Internet in America fucking sucks and fucking kill yourself ISP shill.

>>16592997

You think that because the shit that failed did not sell and dropped off the fucking earth.

>>16592997

>streaming will succeed

It hasn't so far, for very obvious reasons that have little to do with quality of service (not that Google and their hordes of niggers or women actually provide one) and everything to do with the physical laws that govern the universe.

>>16592997

>Never has the quality of anything stopped anyone so long as it does not completely fail to function.

But it doesn't function.

>>16592988

>He only bought Premium because it allows him to download the songs to his phone.

Redpilled.

>>16592969

Latency is terrible, but it looks like the streaming is going to be the incentive to get people to upgrade to 5G when it gets publicly released for extremely fast data transfers, and if you don't upgrade, they want you to feel like you're being left behind.

>>16593005

>upgrade to 5G

So, same bullshit as with stable broadband connections, basically limiting your userbase to city dwelling faggots in first world countries.

>>16593009

I actually have 5G and the only change has been that I don't need an extender. I have a good plan, unlimited, and I still get lag like crazy in most online games, on and off at random, just like before.

>>16593009

Not to mention that's bluntly ignoring what's going to happen to 5G the second it becomes standard.

Hint: It's why 3G is often faster than 4G/LTE nearly anywhere now.

>>16592997

>As long as it does not complete fail to function

It doesn't function. As long as the reality of games streaming is those clips where someone pushes the analog stick and there's a whole 1 second delay before the player character moves means that the shit doesn't work.

>>16593005

I don't understand how 5G is going to help streaming. Because even with 5G, you still have to deal with data caps. Phone's are extremely limited with their caps and in America, even if a your ISP doesn't say you have you a cap, you have a cap. Spectrum says you have no cap but you'll get fucking throttled hardcore if you use more than a terabyte in a month.

>>16593002

It's notable that Google is the one to jump into game streaming first and it's simply because that Google has so much fucking money that they can piss it away on a project that doesn't have the cunt hair on an underaged rat's chance of succeeding. I mean after all Youtube is a gigantic money pit and yet they continue to support that.

>>16593022

>Google is the one to jump into game streaming first

Wrong dumbass

Sony kneecapped themselves to try and sell game streaming, eventually caving and letting people download later anyway. Making it a redundant tumor to their PS+ "Free Games" rental service anyway.

>>16593022

Google will abandon it. It's going to be another one of their 30 some services they started and dropped.

>>16592998

Here in my country is around $21 USD for 20Mbps unlimited + phone.

Ross already told you guys, it's a fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw

Ross is the hero we'll need.

>>16593022

When was the last time Google even had a successful product? Everything they've done, or at least the stuff that the public is aware of?

Besides Android and their search engine everything else they've got going is either a moneysink or deader than a dodo. They're quickly virtue signaling themselves into irrelevance and getting sued by former employees for discriminating against them.

>>16593008

Based shill.

sorry for being retard. Here's the link.

>>16593037

>>16593044

I don't remember him talking about games streaming in that video. He was talking more about live service games where the whole purpose of the game is just to be a transient money maker. For how awful live service games are at least I know the game is running off of my hard drive and that there will be no input lag.

>>16593046

Op is clearly talking what Ross is talking about. What do you mean with streaming?

>>16593037

>>16593044

Also take your eceleb cocksucking back to >>>/cuckchan/ ,evoking some balding faggot that sucks at videogames as some form of authority figure on anything except '5 tips&tricks to use your receeding hairline creatively make yourself cool with the kids' is about as the devoid of an actual argument as his forefivehead is of hair.

>>16593113

He has good video that covers the whole topic, even legal shit. Didn't know you would get so triggered, calm down, you don't need to watch it. Have a good day.

>>16592907

>Game streaming is targeting a market niche that hasn't been filled yet AKA traveling businessmen who wants to take their game library with them around the world and immediately be able to fire up their normalfag games in hotel rooms

Streaming isn't the solution in this case. It is a portable like the switch or a tablet. That niche is already filled.

>>16593220

Hell there's even room in that market since Sony fucking imploded the vita and fucked off entirely out of the handheld market.

>>16593033

i wish we had unlimited data on our phone plans

I mean I have a gaming pc, decent upload, now I can bluetooth an xbone controller to my phone. Not even a shill, just like the implications of having a way to play shit on the go. Gonna drop it in a heartbeat if there are servers involved though.

>>16593008

America having 'shit areas' for internet is still hilariously barbaric.

>>16593264

It's bad but on the other hand they still have beautiful natural lands you can go camping, fishing and hunting in the real wild.

>>16593264

>Nation 5x the size of Norway still has holes in it's network infrastructure

>barbaric

I'm sorry we can't all be stuffed into a "country" the size of Texas with a bunch of sand niggers.

>>16592886

>he thinks this is a good connection

JEJ

>>16593269

Fuck, I've been playing too much Hearts of Iron

>Country 5x the size of Norway and Sweden combined*

>>16593269

>a "country" the size of Texas with a bunch of sand niggers

Meanwhile Texas is getting stuffed by spics on their way to la Reconquista of pretty much all of the US.

>>16593279

The US has shit infrastructure not because it's too big, but because Comcast and the rest of the kiked assholes have carved up the country into their own personal monopolies and feel no pressure to actually improve service.

People are still doomsaying about investor bait pipe dreams. Must be bored.

There's an easy way to make game streaming work. From now on, every game will be turn-based.

>>16593113

Revenant is a shit game, Paco.

>>16592804

Yes, it is going to fail. Remember that every single gimmick and meme tech that companies pushed for games to try to take down piracy all failed, even when some were heavily adopted earlier because of massive marketing. Normalfags are waking up, and noticing that every new piece of tech is only making entertainment worse, and are becoming more and more skeptical, as they should. There won't ever be a "change how you play games forever" scenario as the industry so desperately screams about. Every innovation will be met with full criticism and avoidance, simply because people already understand that when companies present a new tech it is always to take control away from them.

>>16592852

>Piracy will die by the end of the 8 bits gen

<it didn't

>Piracy will die by the end of the 16 bits gen

<it didn't

>Piracy will die by the end of the 32 bits gen

<it didn't

>Piracy will die with the advent of DVDs

<it didn't

>Piracy will die by the end of the (insert any gen here) gen

<it didn't

>Piracy is already stopped

It isn't. Most games are still being pirated, and for those still avoiding it, piracy will always find a way.

>>16593044

The only thing that confuses me here is it Steam that is legally liable for online services getting shut down by their business partner or is it the actual developer of the product?

>>16593308

Steam isn't liable for anything released on their platform. Unless they were actively complicit in it occurring. IE They were the ones who intentionally shut down the online service.

>>16593308

Steam is like a nigger, never responsible.

>>16592852

>Piracy is stopped for online games

>You can't pirate a free game

>LOL and Fortnite best anything

>Streaming can work

>FPS needed to change for consoles

>Games need to be designed with heavy lag in mind

>Mobile users want streaming on their limited package plan that will eat their monthly traffic in ten minutes of gameplay

This post just might get a chance at winning the yearly "World's biggest bait." award. That was a masterfully crafted lure.

>>16593345

Nothing was masterfully crafted there. Stop giving him attention, fool.

People won't start streaming games because they want to, they'll stream them when there's no other option.

Look at Windows 10. Were people really happy about the forced updates, the stupid metro design that was introduced in 8, the microsoft store which disgustingly charges people money for basic software, the botnet, the massive file deletions, etc? Fuck no. But people switched for the better driver/software support, the faster system, and/or the Windows 10 exclusives. For people who don't want to fuss with assembling their own gaming rig, they won't be able to find a desktop PC that doesn't have Windows 10 pre-installed on it.

Nobody wanted Windows 10 but yet the free market (ironically) thinks its better than the free alternatives.

game streaming is also about taking away your privacy and making you own nothing

Gas the GaaS.

>>16593287

Correct. As much as I hate google the threat of their competition at least forced the providers in my area to improve a bit. That's meaningless for most of the country and likely only temporary though.

>>16592804

asked a normalfag friend who got all excited about it

>"it means I won't have to waste time with downloading or installing games, so that's great. The subscriptions are also cheaper than buying a game"

>"I don't care about any of this anti consumer thing you babble about, lol. And I never use mods so I don't care about that either."

>>16593430

I would just probably never contact him again. There's something wrong with him, which is funny, since we were supposed to be the odd ones.

>>16593430

Did you ask him if he finds it really annoying when a youtube video stops loading and has to buffer every 10 second and then to imagine what it would be like playing DARK SOULS, or an FPS, or an arena shooter or hell anything that isn't a visual novel under those conditions?

>>16593430

what is he retarded? if he wastes time downloading games then his internet probably isn't good enough for streaming either. at least on my end the bottleneck on my pc and bbstation was the hdd choking, I bought an ssd for my pc and now games download and install in at most 5 minutes.

>>16592852

>Who the fuck wants this?

>Mobile users.

That makes no sense. Why would mobile users want streaming? Mobile is the WORST market for streaming, because mobile connections are slow and severely limited.

>>16593255

2GB a month is literally all you need.

>>16593461

Logic doesn't work with people like anon's friend. What works is the pain of experience. Normalfag early adopters will get a streaming console or service and then they will realize that it sucks. They won't be able to articulate why it sucks but they'll know it sucks. Then they'll toss it in the closet with the rest of their shame boxes. And then the cycle may repeat, depending on how badly they got burned and how poor their pattern recognition is.

>>16593440

>I would just probably never contact him again.

This would probably be the best idea.

It won't succeed right away, but a lot of big companies with a lot of money want it to succeed. They will try in a lot of places and they will pay for exclusive games.

>>16592907

Internet is comparatively shit compared to several other countries. We pay more and get less. This is objective provable fact.

>>16593481

It won't be successful in the long term either because people aren't gonna put up with the "Netflix" scenario where a game exists one month and then doesn't exist the next because "contracts". That's exactly what's gonna happen, and that's exactly what's gonna make people willing to try this shit out give up and go back to download/piracy.

>>16592852

>You can't pirate best games like LoL or Fortnite.

what are private servers nigger. if the files are made available there's no way they can stop piracy.

>>16592891

>what Google and the other streaming retards are basically doing is trying to bring back the mainframe environment.

That has been going on since the crappy (((cloud))) trend started. (((SaaSS))) ensures a steady shekel stream after all.

>>16593278

>Remember certain things we take for granted now were controversial when they were first introduced and consumers just got used to them enough to the point where they stopped caring

I never stopped caring. Only reason shit like steam got popular in 3rd world countries is because retailers are MUCH bigger kikes (people have ~$6000/yr average wage, stock only first-party and AAAs, charge ~$110 and $80 for $60 and $40 games, while the same games would cost ~$35 and ~$20 on steam, and ~$70 and ~$50 on online console stores)

>>16593382

>>or break into the company's datacenter

but anon they most likely won't run on consumer hardware, and subtracting hardware is theft.

>>16593491

The kikes will find a way. They won't pass up the opportunity to get streaming games take off. There are many hurdles but they will try until it works.

>>16593287

>>16593404

Wow congratulations you've now figured out why we bust Trusts and Monopolies. Without competition there's no reason to improve. Welcome to 1903

At this point a crash is more necessary than ever because all the major industry players have become too big to fail. We rail against tenchink for being the chicom government's money making arm but what we do not realize is that a lot of western companies are already operating under very similar principles, and these practices are only disguised by the usual (((legal))) babble.

>>16593391

>Not to mention that there wouldn't be anything preventing a genuine independent game market from sprouting up.

you can bet you ass this will happen for the simple fact that indies and FOSS devs are not gonna pay some retarded license fee to be on a dozen different streaming services (some will do, but those are the same ones that couldn't shut the fuck up about steam "gatekeeping" and now complaining about too many games on steam).

>>16593503

>There are many hurdles but they will try until it works.

change physics or find a way for data to be faster than the speed of light, not to mention make processing instant?

>>16593510

just wait till economy or ecology crashes, if no one can afford food or rent anymore the last thing they care about is some shitty internet streaming.

Either trying to be lore-freindly or I just self-insert. If it's a porn game though, I use the first video game character I think of. This is how I ended up as Big Smoke in Teaching Feeling.

>>16593513

Like Venezuela has proven when they tried implementing massive centralization of everything? Normalfags never gave a shit about that and a significant number of them still listen to faggots pushing for socialism because It Sounds Good™ to their bleeding hearts, even corporate socialism like what this whole thing is basically about - corporations wielding too much power to the point that they think they can create new markets for their shitty wares out of thin air. The kikes have become so brazen that even though a great example of the shitty centralization meme exists they still bank lol on the fact that the average retard won't learn anything from it.

>>16593514

Shit wrong thread

>>16592852

I know most people won't pirate free software unless they discontinued it. Stadia could do well since it seems to be made for mobile users and they could just use mobile data like 4G to get 1080p. 5g could get 4k but lets say mobile data gives 720p standard. Mobilefags don't care about latency but they care about price. I think the stadia subscription costs too much and most mobile gamers won't spend 60 usd at once but 1 usd every other day on a f2p@p2w app.

>>16593519

>even if beloved series get ported over there…

that's a loss in anyone's book anon.

>If streaming provides to be a failure, it will surely destroy several gaming companies

and ruin the franchises that jump on that boat (hopefully none). Once again, a loss.

But if that loss is necessary to purge the cancer, then so be it.

>>16593526

>Venezuela is socialist

I'm sick of seeing this bullshit. Venezuela is under a fucking illegitimate left-wing 'government' (more like dictatorship), ruled by cronies and their cliques. it's as socialist as Cristina Kirchner in Not-white-land was (i.e. not at all).

>>16593576

>Venezuela is under a fucking illegitimate left-wing 'government' (more like dictatorship), ruled by cronies and their cliques.

Yeah, socialisim

>>16593576

>muh true communism has never been tried before

Every single time.

>>16593582

>>16593584

committing election fraud, engaging in left-wing populism while funneling public money to your butt-buddies to pay political favors is not communism you fucking faggots. that's as retarded as saying capitalism is corporatocracy by definition.

I'm not defending that crap, I'm just sick of the lies propagated by (((THE MEDIA))). next you're gonna tell me Bolsonaro and (((Macri))) (he's a jew by the way, his actual surname is (((Machir)))) are totally capitalists and not neoliberal cronies serving their country on a silver platter to foreign corporations.

>>16592923

Yea, On-Live tryed this befor and died day 1

>>16593618

>is not communism

It's the very definition of communism /leftypol/. Kill yourself you disgusting tranny.

Imagine the fucking latency oh jesus god.

Even in an absolute best case scenario.

> 2ms process time at streaming server

> 20ms down to you

> 5ms to display

> 20ms back to server

> 20ms streaming server to game server

> 20ms game server to other player

> 20ms back to game server

> 20ms back to streaming server

> 2ms process time at streaming server

> 20ms back to you

> 5ms display time

That's an effective ping of over 150ms at all times under the absolute best possible conditions. Utterly unplayable.

>>16593631

Unless it's Quake 2 or something. Which just got an RTX release for all the good goyim who buy Nvidia.

>>16593618

but capitalists do server their country on a silver platter to the jews, neolibrals are nobody boogymen

>>16593576

Venezuelaposter here IP hopping because I switched devices.

>it isn't socialist because it is totalitarian and unkind

And I made sure to include massive centralization on my first post >>16593526 because that is the underlying principle of left wing policies. It doesn't matter if they are enacting the bleeding heart librul kind of gay acceptance/destabilization of a society via peer pressure through normalization attempts in vidya and /tv/ shit or Mao tier purges and bread lines with prices being determined by the government, the reason they are socialist is because they have a central committee of fags planning both policies to shove down everyone's throats, and use everyone's money to fund such policies.

>>16593618

Both the ideal forms of communism and capitalism/free market theory as defined by their originators are impossible to happen in real life. The free market theory itself is already flawed by assuming that noone would attempt to force his own will on others to stifle competition after he's got enough clout, among other weak assumptions. Marx then built his own faggotry on top of that by simply making a fanfiction of free market theory by assuming that noone who isn't actually a skilled worker should have the right to own a business and control a legion of skilled workers because muh materialism and shit, and thus such rights can only be held by the government because he assumed they wouldn't be greedy porkies like the captains of industry bogeymen in his mind, while real life has shown that governments can very easily be much greedier than even the typical hook nosed merchant. This is not to mention that all lefty thinkers will always point out that socialism is a necessary stop for the communist utopia to eventually take place.

Anyway this shit wasn't the point why I made the original post about Venezuela, I used it as an example of how the style of centralization used by vidya streaming obviously took a page from the communist/socialist model; and as an illustration to how it would fail. Latency/netcode issues, which is only the first in a long list of potential problems in vidya streaming, are the analogues to the uncontrollable food and welfare scarcity which lefty central planners always manage to ignore because they have zero understanding of basic economics in the first place. Not going to bother to sage.

>>16593658

*35mbps

>>16593650

>oh gee guys I'm a rural fuckwit so my internet is fine :^^)))

You're playing dumb and you damn well know it, in any remotely urban area of the US internet is dogshit.

>>16593671

That's over 60% of the country, though. That means this console won't work anywhere with a decent population.

>>16593675

>>16593679

Getting better internet is the #1 reason I left the city and am never looking back.

The ISPs are a Cartel.

>What kind of internet would you like anon?

>Your choices are:

>Comcast

>Comcast

>and Comcast

<WTF how is this not a monopoly?

>Well on the far edge of suburbia their is AT&T which provides the same crappy service for the same price. So technically the city doesn’t have a monopoly problem. :^)

Yeah fuck that.

People who don't think Stadia is a completely fucktarded idea don't understand how the internet even works.

Basically, you can't have 100,000+ people in a major city all using a constant 35mbps connection for hours on end.

You guys ever hear of 'bank run', or a 'run on the back'? This would be similar to that for internet connections. An ISP can only allocate a certain amount of bandwidth out to all their customers, and they tend to oversell the fuck out of your maximum speed. But because you're not using that much bandwidth 95% of the time things tend to run fine. If you suddenly had tons of people using huge amounts of bandwidth for hours everyday you'd get these massive slowdowns and it simply won't work.

>>16593708

Then make more. THEN MAKE MORE YOU FUCKING JEW.

Also if you have to pay from data, you are being jewed hard. In my country there has never been data caps or pay per date after those phone modems from the 90'. You are being screwed i tell you..

meagacorps be like

>how do we stop internet piracy?

>i know, lets make stuff that is 100% reallying on internet to function

if they think pirates won't find a way to pirate streamed games they're in for a surprise

>>16593720

Yes, that's how it works.You literally make more things and it works. We have internet in fuck all where nobody is, there's still internet. If you have too many users you make more towers, you make more what ever it takes, but i can guarantee you, you won't run out of what ever it takes to make internet happen. There is internet in Tokyo. You already have monopoly so shut your jew mouth and give the service they want.

>>16593701

Won't matter when AT&T or Verizon buy up your ISP like they always do.

>>16593650

>paying $40 for internet

wew. Over here, it's $4.41 for 100/100 connection, $13.24 for 300/300

Also the fuck are data caps

It's for the next generation and programming the expectations of those who are 12-16.

I'm in my early thirties and have been on these boards for awhile. The last decade included the creation of DLC and DRM digital distribution platforms for games as opposed to physically owned and locally administrated copies. No one questions that transformation anymore, and consoles are largely becoming digital boxes to digital accounts.

>>16593773

>and consoles are largely becoming digital boxes to digital accounts.

A friend asked me not too long ago why do people buy Xbox, if they can play basically all of its games on PC. I wasn't able to answer him. What IS the point of current year consoles?

>>16592852

League of Legends is free you fucking idiot.

>>16593784

>What IS the point of current year consoles?

Normies who cannot keep a copy of Windows clean for more than a year, assemble a PC, or install a driver.

>>16593766

Apparently they keep muslim invaders away, but I still would like to have cheap, fast Internet.

>>16593785

Perhaps they're talking about modified copies and servers that unlock everything or allow custom rules?

>>16593576

>that's a loss in anyone's book anon.

no it's not you fucking nigger

I hate this corporate-loving attitude where you just gotta buy all games of a given series, I could understand with shit like with Paracucks or Intelligent System where they have a monopoly on the niche and no one else tries to make another gsg or advance-wars like game but good, but I don't get how people get so swindled by publishers making new versions of their old games that either add nothing of substance to the gameplay or that just contradict or retroactively ruined the established canon, solely because "muh series".

>and ruin the franchises that jump on that boat (hopefully none). Once again, a loss.

IPs can be bought. Then again, you shouldn't grow attached to IPs too much, just to individual products.

I mean, I fucking love Killer7 but I know that a "sequel" would just suck - Killer is Dead is boring as hell, so I just returned it. You should know better than just care about every little bad game just because it's "another one".

Streaming is just as much a gimmick as wagglan and VR. Of course retarded consumer hogs will still swear up and down that it totally works.

>>16593255

Oh, maybe I need to clarify, that's internet at home + phone line, no mobile stuff there, you are supposed to be able to use their wifi infrastructure on mobile but whenever I connect to their network I just get connected with no internet access.

>>16593220

Or just buy a gaming laptop. That's what I've done.

>>16593861

Someone was trying to say that since Stadia connected the controller directly to your modem and not through the PC it would eliminate the lag but I could never see where that reasoning came from.

>>16593869

It could eliminate some of the lag, I suppose, but there's no getting around the lag that comes from streaming shit over broadband from long distance, not unless the Google kikes used all those sacrificed baby to perform Talmudic magic to bend the laws of physics.

>>16593792

>>16593785

I remember reading some comments about them on PB a few years back, apparently a lot of people couldn't install or update the game through the official services because Riot can't get their shit working and I think they also mentioned that the torrents were faster than the official download servers

>>16593869

That bypasses some of the layers, assuming the interface board in this magic modem isn't shit. But that isn't enough. This isn't like streaming video; streaming a game is much, much worse because your ability to have input and interact makes the latency that much more apparent. The input lag doesn't really come from the controller, but from the video travelling to your screen after you engage input. I need to see real evidence before I start imagining that they've made their streaming service fast enough for this.

>>16593717

Building out Fibre would be trivially easy to do in the US if they could just overlay on the powerlines like the telephone companies did. Because there is an absolutely massive powerline network that overlays the entire country. It’s all already built, so it doesn’t have to go through the city development council, all you literally have to do is run an extra set of line next to the existing copper wire on the fucking telephone pole.

Originally their was a government act in 1996 that gave the go ahead for future internet lines to be overlaid this way. Basically forcing the existing companies to share space with the incoming land line technologies.

But then the FCC cucks made a ruling that fiber can’t be laid on power lines because “ lol they don’t need to be” so now you have to dig up the fucking soil every time you need to put internet somewhere.

If the FCC weren’t a bunch of Jews then the entire fucking country would have had fibre by now.

The actual fibre line itself is not more expensive than copper wire.

The problem is that copper already exists on Telephone poles while Fibre has to negotiate through the US’s private property laws and even with the land owners permission they have to pay for digging up the ground.

If the government just forced universal access to the powerlines than none of this 12mb/s for $40 shit would happen.

>>16593017

>Spectrum says you have no cap but you'll get fucking throttled hardcore if you use more than a terabyte in a month.

Those fucks are straight up lying to you if they're saying there is no Data Cap, even though you get throttled at 1TB

It's just a soft cap rather than a hard one, I'm with fucking Telstra for the same shit and its a data cap for them

So if even the stingiest fucks in Australia are honest about their shit you Americans beet to fucking bully then

>>16593046

Streaming is the next iteration of GAAS.

>>16593915

devils advocate but isnt fibre much more fragile than copper wire ergo making it through telephone wires pretty hard

>>16593685

What's ugly about that car?

Here's a toilet, haven't figured out the plumbing yet… well that's just shit… better get to work…

>>16593927

NO.

It’s durability is the same.

Slice open the rubber coating and copper will go to shit just as bad as Fibre.

Copper is also a surprisingly expensive metal.

Literally the only thing in the way of fast internet is the inability of entrepreneurs and companies that have Fibre to put that Fibre on T-phone poles. That’s it!

But instead the soy slurping cosmopolitans, (who you’d think would care about their internet speed) will march and protest about non-problems like “net-neutrality”. Dumb fucks.

>>16593618

>Socialist tranny tries to refute the opposition by making the opposition’s argument for it.

Every time. Thanks for the hearty chuckle.

>>16593618

What the fuck does "neoliberal" means?

I love how this thread is proof that /v/ is full of morons, especially the moron called OP who thinks nobody wants this, including normalfags. Like do you people just think that because you don't like something it won't succeed? I don't like game streaming either because it'll lead to an overcentralization of gaming services much like Steam essentially monopolized the PC game selling market.

Game streaming isn't going to fail for multiple reasons.

>5G wireless is being rolled out across the world. In the US alone the four major carriers are currently refarming their 3G towers to 4G, and 4G to 5G. With latency of ~30ms some of the input lag issues will be mitigated, which leads to the next reason

>The intended audience isn't current gamers or hardcore gamers. The audience is everyone who owns a smart device but doesn't have a game console or plays PC games. These casuals would not be bothered with some input lag to begin with. Game streaming, to these people, would be a more economical choice to play video games than buying a $300-500 console or PC.

>Google and game publishers really want total control over their IP, and game streaming allows them to wall off the game itself from the consumer, so no piracy or unauthorized game editing.

Game streaming will succeed. Maybe not at first but within the next 5 years I bet it'll be the main way people play games on their smartphones.

>>16593979

Really? Do you not know what that word means? Read a book.

>>16593994

>muh 5G

>believing a marketing term can fix us infrastructure

>>16593999

Which one? because every other lefty that uses that buzzword can't give a definition.

>>16594002

5G isn't a marketing term, brainlet, it's a wireless standard as set by 3GPP specified by utilizing sub 6Ghz and mm wavelength radio bands.

>>16593999

>Read a book.

Ahahaha it actually is the /leftypol/ tranny.

>>16594007

>Neoliberalism, ideology and policy model that emphasizes the value of free marketcompetition. Although there is considerable debate as to the defining features of neoliberal thought and practice, it is most commonly associated with laissez-faire economics. In particular, neoliberalism is often characterized in terms of its belief in sustained economic growth as the means to achieve human progress, its confidence in free markets as the most-efficient allocation of resources, its emphasis on minimal state intervention in economic and social affairs, and its commitment to the freedom of trade and capital.

Anon in this post >>16593618 is just retarded and is using it wrong.

>>16594016

The fuck are you talking about? How does using a common saying make me a commie pig that chopped off their dick?

>>16594019

Was Obama a neoliberal then?

Because I don’t think wealth redistribution Ponzi scheme of a healthcare plan was “free market”.

>>16594023

/leftypol/ has a hipster tier obsession over books. (Most of their books are Marxist garbage and the Transexual propaganda that the Germans burned.) Not to say that all books are bad, it’s just that “read a book” is the signature catchphrase of leftycucks.

>>16592886

I have 120 Mbps down and 10 up. Guess what I pay for it.

$180. That's one hundred eighty US fucking Dollars. American internet is shit, and where it isn't shit, it's overpriced as fuck. You might have good internet if you live in the middle of a big metropolitan area and the city doesn't have a contract with Comcast (most cities have a contract with a specific cable company), but the majority of the country has shit speeds and prices.

Game streaming is a desperate attempt for gaming companies to tap into the mobile market. It's quite clear the bubble has burst and they aren't going to strike it rich with a successful mobile game. In fact, I wager that it's impossible for any of these big companies to release a major mobile game that does very well (minus Nintendo, who coincidentally doesn't want to stream their games and has a portable console).

I don't think this is for people's TVs or computers, I think it's for people's mobile devices. It's why they are pushing it when 5G is rolling out. They think they can get the overhyped mobile market to pay for a subscription so they can play their games on their phones (hence Google being the latest major player to push game streaming, and they have the most popular mobile OS).

But it's a stupid as fuck idea and it's going to fail.

>>16593994

This anon is right about what they are trying to do but wrong about it working. The games that will be streamed are not the types of games you play for 5 or 10 minutes and then ignore. They are games you sit down and play for an hour or more. And they are not designed for a control scheme that only has a touch screen. It is the same reason why /v/ is not filled with people playing emulators on their phones. You can't play anything serious on a touch screen. Even things like SNES RPGs are a pain in the ass with a touch screen. Phones are only good for playing games designed to run on phones. Which means games that you can put away after a few minutes, but are still addicting enough that you feel like you have to pull your phone out as soon as you're bored. And they need to revolve around taping and swiping, not button inputs.

Phones are only good for phone games. It's the same reason why all those phones with gamepads fail. Phone games aren't meant for input besides touch screens and real games aren't meant for input besides mouse and keyboard or gamepad.

Please tell me how you expect to play a game like Doom Eternal, Skyrim, etc. on a touch screen.

>>16594030

No, dipshit, he was a commie.

>>16594048

Bluetooth controllers exist, anon.

>>16594019

That's capitalism, why calling it by a different name? also how is that even close to what people condemn as "capitalist = evil" in countries which actually use a thing called state merchantilism and not capitalism?

>>16594030

BTW, state merchantilism as its name implies is the state intervening on what companies can or can't do in a matter of trade, most notable when the state decides to protect or rescue companies or corporations turning private debt into public debt, I am sure this may ring a bell.

>>16594023

The burden of proof is on you, "educate yourself" is a typical deflection from people who can't even be bothered to prove their point.

>>16593994

Fast internet isn't going to solve all of the problems because there's a limit to the bus throughput of motherboard devices. It's like saying "we can stream our games directly from our hard disks now, no need for loading screens or RAM". Gonna need some non-scripted evidence of it happening before I give it the time of day.

>>16594057

Then who in modern US politics is a neoliberal? The Republicans?

Point is, it’s a stupid term.

>>16594060

I know they do, but how many normalfags will bother with one? And then you have more shit in your pocket.

>>16594064

It's not a stupid term at all, just misused like all political labels. Classical liberals cared about personal freedom, classical conservatives cared about preserving the constitution. Neocons and neolibs are both characterized by the fact that they are basically mouthpieces and legal actors for corporations.

>>16593022

>Google is the one to jump into game streaming first

OnLive tried this in 2009-2010 and there have been others too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_gaming#Cloud_gaming_services_(Gaming_as_a_Service_(GaaS))

>>16594069

>Neocons and neolibs are both characterized by the fact that they are basically mouthpieces and legal actors for corporations.

No that’s what a sellout politician is called.

Neoliberal is a stupid bazinga term.

I remember in a thread Stadia could be used to push a preemptive AI which play video game inputs before you send the I/O. It makes you think you're playing the game when the game is playing itself and you're pushing buttons like DSP. If we're smart enough could we do to Stadia like we did with Tay and make Stadia play games like an Aryan national socialist?

>>16594069

And then what does that even have to do with capitalism when the later are completely against free market? if anything people seem to think that capitalism equals exception from the law which doesn't, that's how the constitution is supposed to come into play, free market and competition under the law.

>>16594077

That sounds horrible.

>>16594077

2/10

Nice try marketer but nobody is going to use Stadia.

>>16594069

>classical conservatives

Classical Conservatives existed way before the Constitution. They hate it because it's kosher laws and hedonistic ways.

>>16594063

Anon what the fuck are you talking about? All gaming is done on data center servers that have enough power to stream the games they play to a remote smart device. Not to mention this wouldn't even come close to hitting a bottleneck of any sort with PCIe 4.0.

>>16594073

Insurance is a scam, especially health insurance since that's solely made to inflate the cost of health care so corporations and the government can profitboff of people.

>>16593994

The idea people are discussing when ever it's brought up here is that of conventional games being eventually replaced wholesale by streaming. This isn't just stupid logistically but also for the reasons that you state, that even if successful it will capture a different demographic with games many people here wouldn't want to play anyway. For some reason certain people, like the consistently mentioned Ross, seem to care about video games as a concept and get themselves worked up over even shitty ones. Personally, I don't even think the companies care if it works or not, it's all about short-term investor manipulation through selling the idea as snake-oil.

>>16594074

Neoliberal is a term probably older than you, anon.

>>16594085

Ad hom doesn’t change the fact that it’s a bazinga term leftycuck.

>>16594074

The terms appeared when corporations took more or less full control over modern politics. Ronald Reagan is known for being the head of the "neoconservative movement," for example. Neocons are known for the schizophrenic modern platform of "preserve American freedumbs, but let in as many non-American criminal immigrants as possible."

>>16592804

>doesn't understand the communist agenda

Lurk for two years, retard.

>>16594083

>Insurance is a scam, especially health insurance since that's solely made to inflate the cost of health care so corporations and the government can profitboff of people.

More or less, maybe if there were less taxes people would be able to actually pay for quality service instead of depending on "free" stuff controlled by the state, and of course, corporations profit on people is guaranteed when a bad move only means the state will bail you out of bankruptcy.

>>16594091

It's not a "bazinga term", retard, and I'm not a "leftycuck".

>>16594083

Yes, and then you need to touch an input on that smart device, wait for the input to go through a bus, wait for your input to go over the internet, wait for the data center to process your input and then play what actually happens in the game, and then wait for the data center to stream that back to you as a recorded video. I'll believe it when I see it.

>>16594092

Neoliberalism as a term existed since the late 1800s, you dumbass.

>>16594092

That being the case I find it ironic that lefties (aka liberals) make "neoliberalism" the enemy.

>>16594092

All modern political movements are schizo, it's revolving good cop/bad cop to capture and hold bits of truth and prevent their unification.

>>16594100

You're really underestimating the speed of this stuff, anon.

>>16594092

>The terms appeared when corporations took more or less full control over modern politics.

You mean Jews. See Neoconservative is a term that works because you can’t really “conserve” much of a country when you sell out to the kikes.

Neoliberal doesn’t work because from day one liberals have had their heads stuck up Karl Marx’s ass so deep they could have been his bar mitzvah chair.

>>16594101

No, it's a resurgence of laissez-faire ideas from the 1800s but the term didn't exist back then. The latter half of the 1800s in America was characterized by massive amounts of corporate exploitation, by the way.

>>16594061

>educate yourself" is a typical deflection from people who can't even be bothered to prove their point

same as "lurk for 2 years" you are implying we are all commie fags?

>>16594107

>What is OnLive and every other garbage service that was tried before

>No demos at all despite widespread announcements and adoption

<why are you so skeptical lol

Yeah, total mystery.

>>16594108

Anon, I'm going to try to make this clear to you as much as possible, since you don't seem to understand.

The "liberal" in "neoliberalism" is not meant to be conflated with modern, progressive "liberalism". "Neoliberalism" is a term older than modern, progressive "liberalism" to begin with. "Neoliberalism" actually is at odds with progressive "liberalism" since one advocates a free market and the other advocates socialism. The reason "neoliberalism" has "liberal" in it is because of the idea of classical liberalism, which essentially was libertarianism.

Do you understand now?

>>16594121

Stadia has had demos, though, retard.

I don't understand, didn't digital only shit murder the xbone when it debuted?

Why is crap like this accepted now?

>>16593485

what did you download?

>>16594113

>What agenda? Usually an agenda is a plan that'll work.

I bet you think the United States isn't a communist country. Again, lurk for two years, idiot.

>>16594124

I'm only aware of the highly controlled one in a major US city very close to the Stadia datacenter and only one person (or a few) used Stadia at the moment.

>>16594124

>Google it. It's Google, right? Surely their own search engine will promote their product

<First article is a Verge soyboy playing Doom Eternal. His controller desynced and the stream crashed, no footage so we don't know if he's lying about performance

<Literally the second hit is an article about how Microsoft's competitor has better latency

<All hands on demos I can find are wired to commercial strength internet

How much are you being paid?

>>16594113

It was probably Google lying to people less savvy about how streaming and latency works.

>>16594141

Then use duckduckgo?

>>16594122

>Neoliberalism" actually is at odds with progressive "liberalism" since one advocates a free market and the other advocates socialism.

Putting aside the fact that you said neo- meant being a corporate stooge.

So what you are saying is that liberals are actually socialist and neoliberals are actually libertarians?

But Libertarians don’t call themselves neoliberal.

So it’s a fucking nothing-burger bazinga term that leftycucks throw around because they are retarded and trying to look smart.

End of discussion.

>>16594148

I was the guy that said neo meant corporate cronyism. You're replying to someone else.

>>16594150

>What communist country allows their citizens to own guns?

They're pulling false flag shootings every month in order to grab our guns, you fucking retard. Lurk for two years, or in your case, just leave, because you don't fucking belong here.

i just want steam and all other content aggregates to die.

>>16594080

>Implying I'm shilling Stadia.

Fuck it. I'll bite. Stadia will have to use an AI that plays games for you if they want to give illusion of no latency input in twitch games. Your input and the input of others will be used to train Stadia's AI to play the game better than you can. People think that Stadia will make money from it's game store. In reality Stadia's profits will come from Google reading how users play games and sell that information to the highest bidder. Google will learn how you play your games. And Google will manipulate your entire life to sell you ads based on the games you play. Who knows, maybe they can identify how "extremists" plays games. And Google will sell that information to other companies to blacklist you from playing games online and offline.

Look up the Google bubble effect.

>>16594141

You claimed there weren't any demos. I never said the demos were good.

>hurr ur a shill

Except I don't want Stadia to succeed. It will succeed eventually, though.

>>16594141

You claimed there weren't any demos. I never said the demos were good.

>hurr ur a shill

Except I don't want Stadia to succeed. It will succeed eventually, though.

>>16594148

>But Libertarians don’t call themselves neoliberal.

<B-b-b-b-b-but that's because they want you to think they are not evil!

I kid you not, that's how they respond to that.

>>16594150

America is not communist but it has been screwing with its own economy and free market for a long time now.

>>16594157

You mean like all of other Google's projects? The end user is the product, the advertisers and companies that use all that personal information are the customer.

YouTube literally runs at a loss. If Facebook and Google weren't selling our data to the highest bidder, they'd have been out of jobs a long time ago. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together figured this shit out a long time ago.

>>16594148

I give up, you're too much of a low IQ subhuman to understand anything.

>>16594155

Missouri is pushing legislation to override all federal laws in their state. If that passes (and knowing Missouri it probably will) I'll just move there and enjoy buying suppressors and full-autos for my collection. You can take your niggerpill defeatist shit and shove it up your ass.

>>16594156

I too miss when there was no central hub for this shit and if I wanted to buy a game, I went to the store and bought a disc and it was mine forever no strings attached. But it's too late for that. All we can do now is prevent it from getting worse.

>>16592888

>>16592880

>>16592890

>>16593345

>>16593492

>>16593496

>>16593785

>Ignoring the point of a post so you can meme reply to it

Dumb posts. Free to play games with paid cosmetics is a business model that significantly undermines piracy and that was the point you ignored.

>>16594169

>You can take your niggerpill defeatist shit and shove it up your ass.

I'm just telling it like it is, retard. Do you think I'm happy about this shit? You weren't even aware that the US is effectively communist.

>>16594169

> no central hub

there were no hubs at all, just software stores like you said.

but dont worry… soon there will be no central hub again. there will be 10 competing content aggregates and we'll have steam fanboys arguing with epic fanboys about who got the better exclusive content and who got the better "deal"

"yea, you got your game for $2 cheaper but mine came with a free month of online play and the game expires in 5 years instead of 3"

>>16594157

You dredged up Tay.ai’s memory to appeal to anons.

Implying that >we should manipulate Stadia by interfacing with it in mass.

How about you go fuck yourself.

>>16594164

Exactly. This is how Google and F2P games make money. Consumers are having less and less expendable income. So Google has to make money by trading with the top 10%. The 10% aren't human. They are corporations. Corporations don't want to lose money so they are turning client personal information as a new commodity. In exchange for you giving information the corporation will decide what you become. Social engineering is Google's ultimate goal.

>>16594181

>Social engineering is Google's ultimate goal.

Which derives from the Talmud.

>>16594174

5g. The extremely fast and highly suspicious 5g rollout will enable high bandwidth and low latency data transfer. This is some peak dystopian kike jew scheming

>>16594187

As mentioned previously, 5G won't defeat data caps though. Until data caps are killed(In America? Fat chance), game streaming stands zero chance of being a success.

>>16594187

>highly suspicious 5g rollout

I don't trust it myself, but I'm curious what you mean.

>>16594188

>In America? Fat chance

Here you go again, thinking that white people own America. How fucking stupid are you?

>>16594188

Will 5g have data caps? They could just not have those if it means being able to take over even more industries.

>>16594190

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-02/new-fcc-ruling-gives-government-control-over-5g-internet-rollout

https://healthimpactnews.com/2019/judge-orders-british-man-opposing-5g-released-from-jail-attempts-to-silence-him-failed/

>>16594196

Listen fuckface, this is your own logic turned against you. The kikes don't want to get rid of data caps because it makes them more money. Since data caps are the natural predator of game streaming, game streaming is going to fail. Understand?

>>16594198

Everything has datacaps in Burgerstan

>>16594192

Explain how Ross is wrong about the legal time bomb that is GAAS.

>>16594190

Maybe because 5G is a frequency close to crowd control heat guns? I'm kidding with that. Still I've noticed that com companies are dropping the ball with internet lines in my town. Lower speeds, more frequent outages, and stricter data caps are problems that plague my services. Instead of improving lines com companies have decided to improve the cell towers to 5G. Eventually companies want to drop the land line and have you use 5G exclusively for internet services. That's my guess.

>>16594201

And here you go thinking that the jews are just money-hungry cartoons. You're a moron. Their one and only goal is to destroy and subjugate the goyim, and money is only a means to an end. I bet you didn't realize that the Federal Bank literally prints Monopoly money, and that money has lost its value over a century ago.

>>16594204

ISPs relying on 5G will mean that they are no longer responsible for providing cables to your house. They just have to maintain the backbone in the poles and everything else is wireless. It will save them ridiculous amounts of money. As an anon said, they wanted $200k to run half a mile of line. They have to run just as much in a modest suburban subdivision going from the main line to the homes. They will bypass that entirely with 5G by just having to run the backbone to a single tower and the 5G tower will do the rest. I have no doubt that they will want to replace cable, DSL, and fiber with 5G because it's going to be easier and cheaper for them. I would even say the sudden abandonment of fiber was because of 5G.

>>16594198

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBsUWbUB6PE

>this shit causes ADHD and autism

Yeah, you can bet your bottom dollar the jews want this.

>>16594161

>>16594160

I clearly established my standard of proof as unscripted video evidence showing someone enjoying the game without input lag and you fed me that garbage, so thanks for nothing I guess.

>>16594223

That doesn't matter anymore because you can just eat normalfag shit to cure autism http://archive.is/gfrl2

>>16594231

That's not true. Also, I accept your concession from before.

Streaming is doomed to die before it even leaves the womb, unless its artificially forced until it catches on. It's true that no one actually wants or needs this and public opinion has been negative towards gaas. This however won't stop Google and other companies from forcing it on everyone and normalizing it. And ultimately if they really want to, sooner or later it will happen. It won't be instant and it won't be as glamorous as anons might think, but eventually, by sheer force of will streaming games will gain a foothold, drawing in the most normalfag of normalfags first. Internet speeds and legality is secondary, what's important is how much control this kind of system will give companies and I think the power to suspend licenses at any time, >kill piracy, potential for a monopoly and an assured, endless inflow of cash is more than enough for them to push for it.

>>16594192

What's pathetic are your attempts to fit in and muddy the waters. Go back to Reddit and take your try hard attention whoring with you.

>>16594240

>unless its artificially forced until it catches on

How do you think normalfag culture works, you low IQ moron?

>>16594219

>They will bypass that entirely with 5G by just having to run the backbone to a single tower and the 5G tower will do the rest.

Except that’s not how 5g works dib shit.

It’s multiple street level antennas.

Which is why modern telecommunications infrastructure is so fucking frustrating.

Because they won’t allow superior Fibre to be run on the Utility poles but they are A-OK letting a 5g setup on every street corner.

FML

>>16594243

Do you have a point, or are you really thirsty for some (You)s?

>>16594254

My point is that normalfag culture is artificial by its nature, and you seemed to miss that very basic fact.

>>16594240

>This however won't stop Google and other companies from forcing it on everyone and normalizing it.

This.

Look at DRM for example, it does absolutely fucking nothing to benefit the consumer, nobody actually wants it, and yet it's in almost every game because an industry wide coalition just forced it down everybody's throats.

>>16594256

>My point is

Took you long enough.

What I said doesn't contradict what you said. I'm fully aware most everything past the 20th century is designed by committees and AIs. What I said is that even if streaming begins to fail it will be artificially kept alive in the market and not allowed to die.

>>16593631

Anon in that case the maximmu latency you're seeing is just over 40ms. Half of those things would probably be done asychoronously

>>16594267

Oh, I have a following now.

>>16594276

You didn't say that. You said that streaming specifically wouldn't take off, because, in your retard mind, you believe that normalfags WON'T eat up any artificial bullshit fed to them by their masters. You literally said the opposite. Kill yourself.

>>16594278

Input lag is noticeable for the average person above 30ms so it'd be like playing 6th gen fighters on an HD TV. Meaning that you won't necessarily see the lag, but you'll certainly be able to feel it and it feels awful

>>16594198

>no archives

>muh radio waves are unhealthy bullshit

Kill yourself

>>16594287

I never specified why, tho. It could die for multiple reasons of which people not falling for it is one. And I base this on the opinions I hear. Most don't like gaas, maybe for the wrong reasons, but still. The public isn't as stupid as you would like to fantasize. Here's your final (You), cherish it.

>>16594310

>The public isn't as stupid as you would like to fantasize.

And that's why jews run the world, you stupid faggot. Here's your final (You), asshole.

also

>tho

Get the fuck out of here, you summerfag.

>>16592990

>Western normalfags don't like turnbased stuff.

Plenty of mobile games are turn based or silmar (puzzzles) and this market is enormous

Aslo you can make games like RTS where avatar is controlled indirectly (no manual aimed but auto-aim with lock and hits based on charter stats) and hard code execution lag for all actions and hard code maximum APM with actions cool-down.

Actually there is example of very successful action real time game that had ingame avatar worsened by game rules specifically to remove advantage of better twitch inputs. Its world of tonks. Character (tank) has very slow acceleration, very slow turnates, very slow aiming turn rates, also it has hard-coded limited accuracy so pixel precise aiming doesn't matter. All to make games accessible (safe place) for old boomers and soccer moms so they can't be stomped by ADHD action kiddies with their superior reflexes and coordination. Great success. Same can be applied to streaming games. make character normal reaction to inputs much slower than lag and lag wouldn't be big problem.

>>16594219

>>16594249

5G is still slower than fiber optic. 5G you will get close broadband speeds. However data is getting more and more costly with bandwidth sizes. If online games need to innovate and consumers can't get faster speeds then they're shit out of luck on bandwith packet sizes. Most online games are as fun as your internet speed.

Chances are fiber will be restricted to businesses that need the speed to run while the average consumer will be screwed to slower speeds. The speeds also depend on the reception. At best this restricts high bandwidth MOM's to businesses like internet cafes. But that's another middleman to play online games because the cafes will want payments for bandwidth costs with tighter bandwidth caps as they have bandwidth caps too. This will most likely restrict cafes to have just enough time to download software quickly before you go back to 5G speeds.

I suppose we can build our own lines. However power lines won't be available. So we have to dig our own lines. But of course that means we have to buy the land to place them. Not to mention the upkeep of servers and the possibility of IP whitelists to end foreign VPNs thanks to Article 13 region locking. It's not impossible. It's very expensive. Still the problem is Jews won't sell you land to dig lines in the first place because you are their competition. It'll be complicated to get a decent wired infrastucture going.

Though I think the industry is prepared to live on 5G/DSL speeds until the next crash. We'll hopefully see more offline single player games take off. Or at least WLAN play.

>>16594329

5G is also much less reliable and tends to fucking kill things in the vicinity and hasn't even been properly tested.

It will be a fucking disaster in the end, mark my words.

>>16594337

Curious. Do you have a list of what 5G killed already?

>>16592967

>the real sad thing is that you have that little faith in people that you project yourself onto everyone else.

Shit anon, guess you're right, I thought I was living in a world where always online $100 deluxe versions with exclusive day 1 dlc, lootboxes, and microtransactions existed and were massively profitable even if it was just on whales alone. Good thing that was just a nightmare and I'll wake up to the reality where fun games are made and released as complete products for reasonable prices I pay once and own forever.

>>16593519

> Point is though, 90% of server-based games are utter shit by design and none of them will endure the test of time, partly cause their servers will shut down and partly because they're mechanically terrible.

All top earning games are servers based games. They absolutely stomp everything else by hours played and revenue. You opinion about qualities of such games doesn't matter. This is not how market works. Billions of money offered by gamers > you opinion. For game developers.

> If a game is good or its community is determined, it can live forever

Its literally doesn't mater for game developers decisions.

>Actually, you can, either by getting the source code itself from the devs or through arduous processes of reverse engineering.

Up to date protection holds. When "classic" sp games denuvo releases fail to hackers over and over.

>By that logic, most gamers are soccer moms who play find-the-object vidya

Its huge market. And yes its matter because of money it offers.

>>16594337

haven't several european countries blocked 5g testing because it fucking broke radiation laws

>>16594363

When you talk exclusively in monetary terms you are a jew, or you have fallen to judaism.

All you retards arguing over this streaming shit when by the time it's been forced down our throat, either most of us will be dead because the jews finally tripped in their own stupidity and caused another world war or therell be NO point streaming any games because none of the NU games will be worth playing anyway.

goodamn you niggers how many games in the last 3 years have been worth playing? a dozen? do you really think any of the games they develope for their shitty stream to play shit will even be worth a pirate? worth a fucking private server?

and all you other retards screeching in this thread about how it will fail, yes it will fail. no that failure wont stop it from becoming the norm. just like nowadays all you do is stream music and tv and movies the only media left to convert to this retarded technology is video games and the amount of money these jew cunts will earn will more than outweigh the probably billions they will invest in normalising it.

>10 years from now video games will be streamed.

>10 years from now you wont even be able to type nigger on your winblows computer without an alert going out to the police and having a meeting with a "counselor" arranged to discuss your beliefs

>google already has a quantum computer and they are using it for advertising shit to you.

>10 years from now i hope ill be dead because ill probably be out of backlog by then.

>>16594371

This is not an argument for board of directors so you not gonna stop them making streaming games with such .

>>16592976

Onlive's fate was that they were bought out by Sony.

Generally speaking, this game streaming thing is only hip 'cause businesses want to cut rural people off at every turn. Either that or they think that everyone has a cell-phone.

Boy, will they be proven wrong.

>>16594412

They won't be proven wrong, though

>>16594428

>(1)

Hi, Google Employee. Google paying you well, or are you living off welfare programs?

>>16594428

how, 5 people magically making a service feasible that's unattractive and can't be used properly more often then not?

even sony had to concede by making ps4 games available locally with ps now.

we might get to streaming at some point, but right now and at least the next 5-10 years it will be laughable bad since the technical requirements simply aren't in place or not so ubiquitous to ever make the money back or even be enough for force everyone onto it. ffs most people have wireless at home since they don't want cables all over the place.

>>16593528

> The problem with game streaming is that it doesn't work. Latency is an undefeatable dragon.

Did you remember how people said you cant play FPS with pads? Lets laugh at them again.

>>16594404

>what are other game stores

It's different because even though legally speaking you don't own the game you still get a download of it, and in theory so long as you don't connect back with Steam you can play that indefinitely. With streaming you wont be able to even pirate.

I'm surprised nobody challenged Steam's use of games as a service in court yet. There was one guy who got his account reinstated but no lawsuits.

>>16594467

>it, and in theory so long as you don't connect back with Steam you can play that indefinitely.

>90% players play PvP on servers

>you can play indefinitely without connection

Play what?

>>16594458

May as well be playing a racing game with a keyboard for how enjoyable it would be.

>crowbcat

>>16594477

>90% players play PvP on servers

You're counting chinks as players?

Also steam isn't the only distributor.

>>16594458

Almost every 3d game has some sort of assist, explain what's wrong with halo's aim assists

>>16592886

>upload speed doesnt match download

>>16594458

The devs have to offset gamepad use with generous auto-aim and soft lock.

In order to do the same sort of thing for streaming games you'd need some kind of "predictive input" system to predict what the player will do in order to "buffer" input to mitigate the feel of lag, which is just another step further from removing actual control from the player.

So an FPS that uses predictive input and a gamepad would have auto-aim and auto-move and auto-shoot to compensate for all the shortcoming of not simply owning the games you play and playing them on local hardware.

>>16594548

>So an FPS that uses predictive input and a gamepad would have auto-aim and auto-move and auto-shoot

WoW type RPG halfway there.

>>16592934

I think the exact same, there is so much old videogames that are good that there is no excuse to play the new ones, specially because the new one are so shitty. Really. Who wants to play overwatch clones that are made to appeal the niggers with their culture broad shit. Literally no reason.

>>16592886

>69mbps down

>5up

>this is americas "good" internet

LMAO!!!!

>>16594499

There's a lot of reasons why existing auto-aim and things like that won't work for streaming.

1. Network latency varies and will experience huge spikes in latency depending on various factors. Playing locally means you always have the same amount of latency. Look at Smash Ultimate online and offline as an example, but imagine Smash didn't have anything built in to deal with network lag.

2. Every game is different and this AI will have to adapt to each game. Google won't have access to the code, unless they are working with developers to bake mechanisms to deal with varying latency.

3. AAA games have shifted from being a challenge to overcome to pressing buttons to make you feel like you're doing something cool. Adding latency is going to massively interfere with that.

Besides that, it is an example of how games have shifted from being challenging and something you work for to being something that just allows you to do something cool when you don't deserve it. It's like having Super Mario Bros have a jump assist that will help you land on enemies if you are going to miss your jump and take damage instead.

>>16594591

>It's like having FPS have a aim assist that will help you land hits on enemies if you are going to miss your aim.

>>16594278

Nope. In any multiplayer game the server has to wait for data before it can register things like hits, or it will use interpolation to 'guess' but that's effectively the same as adding latency. Any streaming game will absolutely play like a smeary piece of shit if it has multiplayer components.

>>16592997

>land of free

>doesnt outlaw datacap

i cant laugh after article 11 and 13 tough

>>16592990

and for once they're right. Turn based games that aren't focused on strategy are shit, and most vanilla jrpgs are just mash [attack] to win.

>>16595015

However, if you pay a monthly fee, then they can take away games at the snap of a finger.

Just like Netflix can take away movies at the snap of a finger.

With Steam you payed a settled fee which means they can’t legally control access to the product or interfere with the product after the point of purchase.

Even micro transactions are covered by this. So if you buy horse armor dlc a dev has no legal right to mess with that horse armor.

>>16594961

It's true. Stadia's controller connects to Wi-Fi and directly gives input to the game server: https://archive.fo/KLX2F

Yes, it's an insignificant reduction in lag, but it's probably not something that comes in a vacuum. They probably had issues with lag when going through the client (probably they want you to be able to play games on something tiny like a Raspberry Pi, where you're likely to be at CPU saturation just processing the video signal, which can cause delay processing controller input), and/or they're just looking to reduce input latency in every single spot they possibly can. Save a millisecond here and there and it adds up.

>>16595091

Yes, that is how a Rental Service works.

>>16592804

I actually know why they're doing this. It's the same reason uber takes massive losses to be the pack leader: where uber is gambling (with other people's government loaned money) for self-driving cars, google is gambling for mass low-earth orbit internet satellites provided by the drastically lower costs from reusable rockets. (Everyone has donut steal spacex's designs and spacex managed to launch 60 (out of the max 1200) for their own network, its assured now.)

>>16592886

American internet is nigger tier and you know it.

Only Europeans like this Frenchman >>16594114 will be able to even use the service.

>>16595197

>American internet is nigger tier and you know it.

And which country is better, you upstart?

>>16593492

>I never stopped caring

You're a drop in the bucket. What the general consumer wants is what dictates what companies want.

>>16595246

Romania, Slovakia, Greece, Ukraine and so on…

Modern internet infrastructure sucks, there's very poor load balancing which causes plenty of traffic problems, it's already collapsing over the bloat of the modern web, let's see how much damage game streaming can do to it.

>US isn't part of first world

>Makes a point to mention slant countries separately.

How's the surveillance state and endless nazi Vs commie faggotry europoor.

>>16595326

>The first world

The First/Second/Third World classifications aren't meant to describe economic development; they're Cold-War-era terms used to describe what superpower the country in question aligns with. NATO and Western democracies comprised the "First World", The USSR, Warsaw Pact and communist nations were the "second world"; and the Third World were neutral or unaligned nations that had yet to pick a side. By definition the United States cannot stop being "first world."

>>16595340

Eat shit trogledite I have no patience for european authoritarian shit.

>>16595355

Europeans are biologically incapable of decentralization of power.

Which is why all european governments collapse into facism/communism, and I want you faggots out of my goddamn country.

>>16595360

Polish genetically, burger nationally. Off my property spiritually.

>>16595357

grandpa I think you're lost >>>/qresearch/

>>16592852

Go away China pls

>>16595390

Guys just report him don't even reply

>>16595402

US average broadband speed is 25Mb/s. That's not capable of doing 1080p60, much less anything above it. You can't hide it. You can't escape it. You were wrong about broadband speeds. You were wrong about freedom of speech. The kike in charge doesn't like that his streaming propaganda is being questioned. Also,

Proven wrong: https://archive.fo/6bQiA

Proven wrong: https://archive.fo/EtbRQ

>>16594337

Mostly birds, bees, and other pollinators, although it kills them indirectly by permanently fucking up their senses preventing them from reliably getting food. It's a threat to humans due to the metric shit ton of radio frequency radiation it emits. This has been directly linked to cancer ( https://web.archive.org/web/20131209182513/http://blog.cat/gallery/17983/17983-97698.pdf , and that's not even 5G that's a regular old cell phone tower from the late '90s early '00s. It should be added that the study has since been memory holed that archive is all that exists of it anymore.)

>>16595472

>bees

Oh great. We literally have to take semi trucks of bees around the country to get things pollinated because there aren't enough bees anymore, and now we're killing the rest. Guess this whole thread gets deleted though.

>>16595597

valve's drm is already cracked.

>>16595634

Not an argument. It's still inexcusable

>>16595654

I don't like drm but I'm not sure what your point is. valve can't take your games away.

>>16595667

>b-but you can still crack it

Not. An. Argument. NES cartridges work the same as day one. Digital should be the same.

>>16597343

>Top earning doesn't mean "best"

In the eyes of developer and their shareholders it does.

>>16597343

>If money is all that matters than no devs should ever work on videogames ever because movies and music make twenty times as much money

If you can make movies and music that can compete. Pretty sure if Riot for example tried to enter these markets they would fail measurably. Vidya market? Another story.