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05e727 No.16573111
Games with good and great everything else except gameplay.
f3b8de No.16573146
05e727 No.16573171
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Legacy of Kain + Soul Reaver. Might as well make a 3D animated series instead of a video game.
856899 No.16573210
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78efa3 No.16573343
>>16573111
I loved the gameplay of Chakan. My only complaint is that the bosses needed a bit more work, alot of them felt unfinished.
05e727 No.16573455
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>>16573343
If you didn't find a problem with vid related then you won't find a problem with Chakan, but I assure you the hit detection, overall gameplay, level design is abysmal compared to other video games. Nothing flows correctly.
e910c2 No.16573538
>>16573210
Say what you like about tumblrtale, the idea of using a shmup interface as a dodge mechanic in an RPG is novel at least.
Too bad the enemies are so piss-easy to dodge that you are unlikely to ever get hit by anything other than a boss unless you are mentally retarded.
4c3f1a No.16573539
>>16573171
This, great series but by god is the gameplay annoying.
5ece15 No.16573579
>>16573210
Actually the gameplay (as in, the battle system) is good there. It's everything else that sucks.
d89661 No.16573868
47922b No.16573933
>>16573111
Final Fantasy 15. Loved the visuals, the soundtrack, the story fuck you niggers, it was good, but it might as well have been a walking sim with how weak the gameplay was.
ea15ca No.16574005
>>16573868
This, though it's more a matter of shit controls than shit gameplay.
>>16573933
To be fair, same could be said for every FF since X (exception being X-2 which I thought was actually fun to play).
47922b No.16574169
>>16574005
X was where I had left off with the series, so the shit gameplay thing was a disappointing surprise.
66d07b No.16574277
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05e727 No.16574643
Dungeon Siege 1 & 2
Great atmosphere, secrets, world, soundtrack, but mediocre gameplay. In DS2 the new gameplay features didn't flow well together and were very one note.
Guild Wars 1 - pretty graphics, very limited control, no secrets.
Guild Wars 2 - very pretty graphics with a lot of control and a lot of secrets.
Don't know about Aion and Tera.
Planet Coaster - which I guess is cheating because this is a sandbox game.
9bb4e8 No.16582992
Fucking Witcher 3 man
Decent story and world detailing, ok music and visuals get dragged down by bamham-tier fighting mechanics to the point where i'd like it to be a vidual novel with horse riding or a straight up action game (anything but whatever it turned out to be).
04f045 No.16583004
>>16582992
Is the gameplay worse than W2?
9bb4e8 No.16583052
>>16583004
No, not as clunky as that, but still far from where the rest of the pieces are. Just remembered another one, Mad Max 2015. Same story there - neatly realized driving and customization mechanics, convincingly empty post-apo world and item/charcter/car designs sink down with the shit combat, grindfest missions and unlocking of aformentioned custom parts.
1eabaa No.16583066
>fantastic atmosphere
>excellent ye olde englishe writing and lore
>gorgeous music
>beautiful graphics and animations
>cheeky fanservice with genuine care and attention
<horrendous WoW clone gameplay that's the equivalent of bashing your head against a wall
<on top of that it's behind a fucking subfee and there's no need for them to go b2p
Life is suffering.
4f08f8 No.16583070
Although I think it was mostly intentional
Also Flower, Sun and Rain but no one actually played it
5bf28c No.16583488
5bfb5e No.16583509
b6c217 No.16583819
Every isometric RPG in the Baldur's Gate/Fallout mold.
136815 No.16583827
>>16573933
Go play it again now that everything is out.
You'll be shocked at the difference
50d1bc No.16583838
Pachipara 13/14. It's literally a pachinko simulator, but it's got a hilariously over the top plot in a pretty detailed open world with amazing dialog. This was all supposed to be a showcase for stuff that would be in Steambot Chronicles 2, but that got earthquaked.
65a1b7 No.16583854
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Great graphics and music, but mediocre designs, ships are too big for the screen, very boring weapons, animated backgrounds running at high speed makes my brain hurt, there's only 6 levels.
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76bc64 No.16583934
Everything about this mod is 10/10, from soundtrack to atmosphere. But that gameplay just is not that good. I still play it once in a while but I really want this exact game with different gameplay, mainly how weapons are handled.
5387ca No.16583989
>>16573111
>Chakan
Ah that takes me back.
25dd56 No.16584063
Star control 2
The running from system to system and exploring was great, but the resource collecting and ship combat were awful by comparison. The combat can be fun, but usually isn't.
2cfec3 No.16585425
>>16583934
gameplay is cs shit
1152ad No.16585795
>>16573210
Ghost Trick's art and story are so good it not only justifies having mediocre gameplay but its one of my favorite games of all time despite generally caring about gameplay a great deal.
>>16573210
I thought the gameplay was neat, didn't like most of the writing or any of the art.
179f70 No.16586218
You could probably count a lot of the better RPG Maker stuff for this actually. At least the ones that try to use the engine's combat system instead of coming up with something different.
04f045 No.16586233
>>16583934
The thing I've always been curious about is, while playing NT I've never actually heard the soundtrack ingame. Why?
4f08f8 No.16593351
>>16584027
Deadly Premonitions is the perfect sandbox game set in a small town, as in nothing fucking happens at all and you have to take twenty minutes car rides all the time to talk to strange old ladies.
844da5 No.16593359
>>16585948
Planescape Torment is Overrated and the writing is not as good as people claim.
Read a book instead.
de7bb2 No.16593416
>>16573111
>>16573171
Elements from the cancelled Chakan 2 were reused in Blood Omen 2.
642398 No.16593482
>>16574322
Absolutely, the gunplay was ass, stealth was ass, but holy shit I need more Michael Thorton and SIE
fd1c73 No.16593568
>Project Zero/Fatal Frame games
>some of the best atmosphere in horror game
>spooky old Japanese buildings and qt girls
>interesting lore
<and then the combat starts
<awkward jarring perspective shifts from third to first person, no hip firing allowed
<enemies being ghosts are given free reign to cheat, will vanish when you're about to hit them, or teleport behind you
<if you're playing one of the Wii games the controls are fucking awkward on top of all of that
5bf28c No.16593645
>>16593359
What's a good book? Crime and Punishment?
844da5 No.16593779
>>16593645
Yes actually. I am reading it right now. It's pretty crass.
ffc096 No.16594529
Every Metal Gear Solid ever!
903000 No.16594795
Every MGS game before Five
08dacd No.16595080
It's great enough until you reach the halfway mark where it becomes a Metroidvania, at which point the pace and feel of the gameplay grinds to a crawl. The soundtrack also suffers at that point, because no matter how much I liked it before, I never want to hear some of those tracks switch between past and future ever again.
cfd1d6 No.16595169
fdbc58 No.16595189
If you can even call it gameplay.
5066c5 No.16595202
>>16573171
I like the gameplay.
01b3a0 No.16595209
>>16573111
Pic related is literally the contrary.
>Great gameplay
>Art is tumblr tier
>Story is tumblr
>>16595080
>Defeat the first boss, no deaths
>Following screens is swimming with spikes
>An stupid mistake kills me
>A devil appears and tell me I suck
>He wouldn't appear if I wasn't bad at the game
>Rage quit
Should I start and aim for no death or ignore the little faggot?
>>16595169
How would you fix bioshock?
628d42 No.16595219
>>16595189
Isn't To the Moon's art style just the default RPG Maker assets? I think the sprites were pretty shit.
4b4ce9 No.16595231
>>16595080
agreed. when it stops being a normal platformer it gets tedious and boring
Humor is also Leftie tumblr tier.
fbd659 No.16595232
>>16583509
Sengoku Rance has amazing gameplay. Besides, most VNs don't qualify as "good and great except for gameplay".
4b4ce9 No.16595234
>>16583008
take that back you nigger Seiken densetsu 3 is great
7c6289 No.16595242
>>16595209
Well…
>turn it into a semi-open world game.
>change the weapon progression system so that Plasmids get more impressive upgrades and become more powerful in the later parts of the game while the conventional weapons get nerfed, especially the wrench.
>introduce workshops and laboratories where you can invent explosives, acids, special ammo types, and devices to solve puzzles and clear obstacles with.
d9e307 No.16595651
>>16595242
> turn it into a semi-open world
Isn't it already, though?
8058b4 No.16596217
I'm not asking for DMC combat, Capcom. I'd take Yakuza beat-em-up combat, or even something like Sleeping Dogs where you at least have counters and nifty environmental kills. Anything would be better than the barebones-as-hell shit we actually got. This could have been the game of the generation if you spent half the time you did on qte's on putting in pause combos or switchable fighting styles or something.
50a1f4 No.16596574
>>16573210
Alright story, alright but flawed gameplay shit art.
436bb8 No.16596594
Pretty much any Stalker game
3adbe8 No.16596686
>>16573111
>tfw when you thought the easiest difficulty was the whole game
>turns out deliberately picking the easiest difficulty cuts the game short as a sort of tutorial mode
That is what I get for playing Chakan before learning to read properly back then, less embarrasing then Wing Commander. I don't agree about the best soundtrack though I only really liked two level themes out of the four I played through multiple times.
324a48 No.16596692
>>16596686
There's a cheat to play the rest of the game on easy mode.
2b17af No.16596694
>>16595209
>Should I start and aim for no death or ignore the little faggot?
You can safely ignore him, his dialogue is aggravating but as a mechanic he's forgiving. He doesn't actually lose you gold, he just takes any you pick in a short period of time afterwards, and there's far enough gold to go around. The real bullshit is unskippable boss cutscenes.
3adbe8 No.16596695
>>16596692
No thanks, even if I didn't decide to take a second crack a little while ago the horror of the undead level platforming ingrained itself into my mind long before then.
ae05ac No.16596747
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>>16594529
Don't you have a kitchen to burn down?
06344c No.16601309
>>16573111
>Games with good and great everything else except gameplay.
Then watch the gameplay on twitch/youtube
88a251 No.16601332
Brigador, for some reason I see this game getting loads of praise, but the gameplay is pretty average (and feels a bit half baked) and the game systems feel like something out of a beta. However the visuals, music, setting and writing get it across the line. Though I find the almost excessive presence of "military humor" a bit hammy. Wouldn't write off any future games from the devs but I hope it veers away from style over substance.
29f9d2 No.16601347
My dad used to be gym buddies with the dude who wrote the Chakan comic book. We got a lot of swag for free. They haven't spoken in years for whatever reason, and my sister tried emailing him but didn't get an answer, but from what I know there was no big falling out. He's just a busy guy because he does a lot of art for conventions and stuff.
If you really do love everything about Chakan except the gameplay, you should check out the comics from RAK graphics. They're extremely 90s but that's part of the charm, isn't it?
1ec060 No.16601419
>>16601347
You're not expecting me to pay for paper are you?
Where do I download these comics?
190171 No.16601437
I love everything about diablo, the graphics, font, and enemies, the sounds ect all sort of sell it just right
but its fucking click to move, single unit RTS with an entire mechanic named after how shitty its equipment system is "diablo loot"
e86fa3 No.16601477
>>16601347
The comic's alright, coming from someone that grew up with the game given how fucking janky it was.
c20968 No.16602325
>>16593645
The Brothers Karamazov, but Crime and Punishment is good too
c20968 No.16602415
>>16602373
Nigger, I better not catch you talking shit on EYEs combat again
e866f0 No.16602428
>>16583070
I really liked how in Flower, Sun and Rain the main character starts getting frustrated along with you at having to walk everywhere and do favors for everyone.
436bb8 No.16602430
>>16602415
Its biggest problem is it still feels like a half life mod.
f55b3a No.16605333
Can't believe I forgot this.
>Amazing graphics
>incredible designs
>god tier soundtrack
>game can be finished in a couple different ways
<holy shit those controls
<mother fucker these controls fucking suck
<holy shit I'm dead already
1eb377 No.16605373
>>16573210
good music isn't good everything else
7f9fb7 No.16605405
>>16593568
<enemies being ghosts are given free reign to cheat, will vanish when you're about to hit them, or teleport behind you
Game would be to easy if they didn't and it works great as a horror element as it puts a bunch of stress on you to find them before they spook you. And there's a 180 button to quick turn around.
<if you're playing one of the Wii games the controls are fucking awkward on top of all of that
>playing any of the games after the third
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0b3ad1 No.16612487
>>16574322
>Alpha Protocol
Yeah, pretty much. Love it to pieces but good lord that gameplay was so tedious and unsatisfying.
>>16593482
>and SIE
Good taste, but you forgot about Scarlet and Sis
6b00ed No.16612565
>>16595558
I didn't know what to expect when I first played it, but it certaintly wasn't a Dynasty Warrior clone.