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File: 357ccc1592dab33⋯.jpg (471.53 KB, 1050x749, 150:107, GabeAndRobin.jpg)

c704d1  No.16547471

Remaking the thread since the last one experienced a bug of some kind and got deleted for some reason, so it couldn't have been the mods' fault since it wasn't breaking any rules and was entirely vidya. Weird. I'll have to send a bug report to Codemonkey later.

>I worked at Valve a few years back, and I could write a book about what's wrong there. I think the biggest problem they have – which the author of this article touched on – is that "success is the worst teacher." Valve have discovered that cosmetic microtransactions are big money makers, and thus every team at Valve was dedicated to that vision. When I was there (before Artifact started in open development) there were essentially no new games being developed at all. There was a small group that were working on Left for Dead 3 (cancelled shortly after I joined), and a couple guys poking around with pre-production experiments for Half-Life 3 (it will never be released). But effectively all the attention was focused on cosmetic items and "the economy" of the three big games (DOTA, CS:GO, and TF2). One very senior employee even said that Valve would never make another single player game, because they weren't worth the effort. "Portal 2," he explained, had only made $200 million in profit and that kind of chump change just wasn't worth it, when you could make 100s of millions a year selling digital hats and paintjobs for guns (most of which are designed by players, not the employees!)

>I joined Valve because I excited to work with what I thought was the best game studio in the world, but I left very depressed when I found out they're merely collecting rent from Steam and making in-game decorations for old games.

>In theory, employees are allowed to (supposed to, even) work on whatever they think is valuable. In reality, you should be working on whatever the people around you think is valuable or you're gonna get fired really quickly. (Fewer than half of new employees make it to the end of their first year.) This usually means doing whatever the most senior people on the team think is important, both because they should know if they've been there for a while, but also because they wield enormous power behind the scenes.

>The problem with a company with no defined job titles or explicit seniority is that there is still seniority, but it is invisible and thus deniable

This bit in particular is interesting. The supposed ex-employee who made the previous statements likened this "Invisible power structure" to what was described in an old essay titled The Tyranny of Structurelessness written by a feminist in the 1960's who was part of a women's liberation group. The feminist in question wrote this essay in reaction to the power relations she observed in the women's liberation group itself. But I digress.

>An example: in my first few months, I was struggling to find a good project and a very senior employee (one of the partners, actually) took me aside and recommended I leave my current team since my heart was clearly not in it and take some time to think about what I really wanted to do, or else I'd get let go. I took his advice seriously, came up with a couple ideas, and then approached him a week or so later to pitch these projects. He got _angry_ at me, stressing that he's not my boss, and that it showed a remarkable lack of initiative that I'd ask someone else at the company what I should work on. So: he has the authority to fire me (or at least to plausibly threaten to fire me) but the moment that authority would mean any responsibility or even the slightest effort to mentor someone, he's just another regular Joe with no special role at all. Similarly, there's no way to get meaningful feedback because nobody really knows who's going to be making the performance evaluations. Sure, you can take advice from someone who's been there for ten years, but if they're not included in the group that's assembled to evaluate you then their guidance is worth nothing.

>I worked with some very smart people there, but it was the most dysfunctional and broken work environment I've ever witnessed.

https://archive.fo/LnZx5

On a related note, Artifact is still at around a <200 players 24 hour peak. Valve has been embarrassingly silent about the fact that, you know, the game massively fucking flopped, even harder than Alien Swarm. Do you think Valve will learn their lesson? Will the people working at Valve ever collectively decide to stop being such massive fuck-ups? The Epic store has so far shown itself to be an even bigger fuckup than Valve's development - shocking, I know - so there's little hope the Epic store will prove to be a big enough threat to Valve to force it to start innovating and actually doing shit like it did nigh 15 years ago.

Will the bell ever toll for Gabe and his Motley crew of Judaism?

302c7d  No.16547478

didn't we already have this thread a day ago


ac91a2  No.16547482

Valve announced another Dota project, they haven't learned shit and they're not willing to. You remember all those saying around the Wii U's launch, that Nintendo had enough money to not make money for a hundred years and still float though? Well, something similar is the case for Valve. It's why they don't care enough to launch their shit $1000 VR set with no games, it's why their hardware and software teams don't care to communicate, it's why anyone works on what they want and can shelf a well-on-its-way project because they can't agree which engine to work with.


c704d1  No.16547494

>>16547482

Yeah, apparently its a standalone auto chess. Will it be free?


ac91a2  No.16547502

>>16547494

A game cashing in on a trend, a trend that's known for being free and monetized in microtransactions, cost 20 bucks so I don't see why a ripoff of a Chinese mod wouldn't be.


d88e2e  No.16547513

Reminder that this agrees with what the main man responsible for Valve's push for Linux said after he left the company.

https://archive.fo/EM3Is


ac91a2  No.16547515

>>16547509

>torpedo

>being a literal pedo


59b8d5  No.16547518

Valve has always been a thieving company solely focused on turning free modifications in to paid games. Gaben may have been cool at one point, but that day is long gone. He gets his rocks off now going to The International every year and hearing applause, that's all he requires for sustenance (which is shocking considering his immense size)


745dab  No.16547524

File: 646fcdb2e08b527⋯.jpg (13.63 KB, 241x230, 241:230, 1463962075905.jpg)

I said it in the last thread and I'll say it again. This company sounds like a NEET's paradise. Just show up for a paycheck. Copy/paste some hat you from reddit into Source if anyone looks over your shoulder while just playing video games all day.


cac7ad  No.16547537

File: 7b8a03d7ccf0f9a⋯.png (514.92 KB, 600x600, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)

So you're saying the Valve is clogged with shit?


d88e2e  No.16547547

>>16547524

It's the opposite of a NEET's paradise you fool. It's fucking petty high school drama and politics turned up to ELEVEN. You would constantly have to watch your back and team up with the right people and avoid the wrong people and constantly adapt to what you shit out to go with the trends so the collective doesn't sense a weakness and backstab you.


5ecb05  No.16547551

>>16547524

>Copy/paste some hat you from reddit into Source if anyone looks over your shoulder while just playing video games all day.

You don't even need to do that at this point. They pretty much just stopped releasing hats for TF2, except for the holidays.


1137be  No.16547552

>>16547471

We had this thread already.


d55e0d  No.16547553

>>16547537

you cheeky cunt


c6a95f  No.16547573

>>16547524

It sounds like hell to me.

t. hikki


d70668  No.16547577

File: 128e22e653ff314⋯.jpg (25.81 KB, 491x363, 491:363, 1451285792571-0.jpg)


745dab  No.16547587

>>16547547

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If you bothered to pay attention you'd notice that only women have complained about it being like high school drama while mens complaints have primarily been about disorganization (lack of a pecking order) and miscommunication as per the OP. Women always get caught up in all that gossip and bullshit so it's no surprise that when they have no manager cracking the whip they turn into a bunch of fucking children. A NEET wouldn't be effected by this faggotry.

>>16547551

DOTA and CSGO never stopped releasing microtrash though.


c704d1  No.16547598

File: 9d9fe7ea1d98ae4⋯.png (307.55 KB, 600x600, 1:1, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16547552

And? We have GG and E3 threads every day and I don't see you complaining.

>>16547547

Apparently since the only way to get fired is if you are "voted off" like on one of those Big Brother-esque reality shows, you can still manage to live out the NEET's paradise if you kissed ass and maybe made up a few disabilities to get some pity points.

I'm not capable of kissing ass, though, so for me it would feel more like I walked right into Skavenblight rather than my dream job.


d5b325  No.16547621

File: 10ba93dc5a8bafa⋯.png (4.25 KB, 256x224, 8:7, 38f0c80665a71276292e5aea02….png)

>>16547471

>Valve has mutated froma game developer into a financial middleman

This happened a long time ago. Why is it suddenly a surprise to anyone?


3f87af  No.16547641

File: 03056ddddca1252⋯.gif (19.79 KB, 300x221, 300:221, ultros.gif)

>>16547537

If you're gonna have a vidya pun on a vidya board at least use Ultros instead of Carlos you stupid borderhopping wallclimbing beaner nigger.


43b9b0  No.16547691

File: 130c6f873e98f89⋯.jpg (16.23 KB, 384x313, 384:313, 130c6f873e98f895e0516fee49….jpg)

Why make video games when you can make money?


5ecb05  No.16547725

<16547641

>This meme offends me use this one

Ultros can eat shit (you) cock guzzling nigger faggot.


f1e929  No.16547737

File: b54263cbe20b56e⋯.webm (5.54 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Jews chasing that big $$$….webm)


dec7b3  No.16547747

>>16547691

It's as the anon in the previous thread put it: You would think the people who work at Valve, who get hired for their passion, would actually want to make video games. We don't live in a world that's so cynical that the simple concept of a passion project does not exist, where the money is the means to doing what you want to do, which as game developers, should be making games.

I think Valve's problem is that it's completely lacking in focus and discipline to actually finish a project, there are people there who want to make shit but they can't get their shit together.


3728a6  No.16547804

File: 58417479bff01bc⋯.png (484.09 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, 58417479bff01bc1f65f210f8c….png)

>>16547621

People just started paying attention, I guess. It's normal for people with more sense to call thigngs out as they happen, but no one listens until it's too late.


286ee9  No.16548219

>>16547747

>You would think the people who work at Valve, who get hired for their passion, would actually want to make video games.

it's actually worse, like peter principle on overdrive.

imagine you actually want to make a game, would you keep trying to fight obstacles in a company that doesn't give a shit and actually works against you due to being more like a highschool cafeteria without any hierarchy and cliques all over the place? why not simply leave for a company that actually wants to and even more wants you to make a game?

so you end up with loads of people that either roll with the flow and don't give a fuck any more or worse people that were never in it for the gamedev in the first place while all the talent and passionate people leave in disgust or dissatisfaction.


fd6706  No.16548267

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>16547547

>It's the opposite of a NEET's paradise you fool. It's fucking petty high school drama

But most people because NEETs because they can’t get over high school drama.


cc45dc  No.16548307

File: 50a2b53df7c079f⋯.jpg (72.72 KB, 550x775, 22:31, products_by_the_retarded.jpg)

>>16548267

>But most people because NEETs because they can’t get over high school drama.


05a6f3  No.16548368

>>16547513

Holy fuck the entire game industry needs to die and be rebuilt from the ground up.


f19f16  No.16548431

>>16547513

>>16548368

Mankind and his ideas need to be rebuilt from the ground up.


ac9eaa  No.16548437

>>16547747

>I think Valve's problem is that it's completely lacking in focus and discipline to actually finish a project, there are people there who want to make shit but they can't get their shit together.

Hasn't it been confirmed that that's exactly the situation at Valve?


f19f16  No.16548440

I never see anons take into account that a company as important as Valve is sure to be the target of every great power out there looking to surreptitiously control things. Who knows how many rootless internationalists and secret society niggers are using Valve for power.


35a661  No.16548445

>>16547747

>I think Valve's problem is that it's completely lacking in focus and discipline to actually finish a project

They have plenty of focus. It's just not on actual games any longer.


76194b  No.16548605

Valve could never make good games i never finished the first half life i got to bored, They got lucky the normies loved it and made the good decision to open a online store and skim off the top of actually talented people.


c704d1  No.16548799

File: df76693b70efa43⋯.png (61.36 KB, 500x503, 500:503, ab78b7afd8277eb687fe73346f….png)

>>16548605

>normies

>"Valve was never good" contrarianism

You're not helping your case, Mr. Green.


6ecc8d  No.16548835

>>16547478

And we had the exact same thing told in a thread weeks ago. My perception of time being fucky I can't say when but it has been a while and everything said in here was said there despite the fact that the comment in the archive is two days old.


9094ac  No.16548847

Gabe is a sellout faggot. He probably did this because he hates how gamers keep buying games with microtransactions tho, proving their degeneracy.


9094ac  No.16548851

>>16548605

the first half life is a top tier game. gabe is a faggot now, like all the rest. maybe someone wants to walk up to them and tell them to see a psychiatrist on why they suck so much.


622647  No.16548874

>>16548368

>>16548431

This. A massive crash is only beneficial. A lot of liberals/communists/marxists/SJWs would lose a fuck ton of money as a result and possibly be thrown out onto the streets since they pay rent or mortgages. Only draw back would be the left over of the (((gaming media))) writing articles or going to (((main stream media))) to give interviews and say the industry crashed due to "racist, misogynistic, entitled gamers" to deflect blame.


99806f  No.16549003

>>16548799

Cringy formatting aside, he's not wrong though. Valve was always mediocre, it's just that in today's sea of mediocrity their mediocrity from 10 years ago shines like a supernova.


c9606c  No.16549013

I'm fairly certain almost everyone here understood this was a thing regardless of any leaks way back before the 'WHEN IS HL3' meme died.

if anything, the 'leaks' just prove what we were all thinking all this time, once again, another "I told you so" moment, but it doesn't fucking matter.


05bc06  No.16549047

Funny how all of these experimental non-traditionally structured organisations inevitably just turn to shit. Reminds me of the Communist cafe that couldn't make good food to save it's life, or consistently keep it's dishes clean. It's almost like structures that prevail tend to do so because they work.


8ed8b6  No.16549083

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>ywn share a big pink cookie with Erik Wolpaw

watching this use to make me want to work there, now it just makes me sad seeing what they've evolved into


000000  No.16549092

>>16547471

In short, they hired leftists and jews.


1fd0d9  No.16549107

>>16549047

Its the fucking soyboy culture that is the root of this cancer. The problem is every cuck on the planet wants to go into media, art, and video games to (((influence))) aka push their propaganda.

They don't care about producing good content, only pushing their ideology.


833969  No.16549147

>>16547587

>Muh women

Nigger it's the entire damn office playing politics not just the women. It's yuppies trying to one up each other to the bosses, who claim they don't exist yet do. And everyone knows who the bosses are and just gain favour with one or risk being fired within 6 months. A NEET would have zero patrons and be thrown to the wolves within a week.

Every job you do makes someone else look lazy for not having done an equal amount of work to you. So you make enemies by being productive since all the productive people got fired for not playing politics already. All that's left is an infinite amount of money being fueled into a social experience in yuppydom.


05bc06  No.16549149

>>16549107

Valve hires a lot of people who start out as modders and the like. Their are no doubt loads of people at Valve who want to make good games. It's their shitty structure that stops anything from taking form. If they were purely in the business of culture creation, then they would be making bigger games, rather than hats.


8ed8b6  No.16549174

>>16549149

>Their are no doubt loads of people at Valve who want to make good games

Not anymore, all the smart ones left Valve years ago when they realized that nothing was getting done. The last major single player game they had was Portal 2 and that was 8 years ago for fuck's sake. The talent has moved on, the only people there now are those seeking to appease The Fat One through microtransactions.


833969  No.16549185

>>16549149

Valve used to hire modders with half finished products to turn them into retail products, i.e. CS, DOD, TF2. But modding died thanks to Steam. Why work on a total conversion for Skyrim when you can do all the same work in Unity but sell it for 10 bucks? By killing the need for publishers valve killed the hobbyist market.


bd114d  No.16549189

It's always bad in corporations. Period.

They become too large and you get too groups of people who want to do nothing and groups of people who form cliques and put everyone else down. It's never fun in a corporation. It's never well organized. The real creative stuff always comes from outside.


1fffab  No.16549222


2ff819  No.16549230

Fuck it, if they aren't going to release the sequels then just tell us already. I'd rather be done with the constant "Is this a hint for Half-Life 3"theories.


05bc06  No.16549248

>>16549230

The Half Life writer who quit already pretty much leaked what the story was going to be.

It's not that interesting, and it ends on another cliffhanger. Might have been fun to play though.


833969  No.16549260

>>16549248

>Fun

>the entire story is about Alyx and her deaf ex boyfriend (who's white)

What?


05bc06  No.16549268

>>16549260

>story

It's a first person shooter, m8. What was the story of HL1?

>I'm in a place, and things are trying to kill me


beff9d  No.16549270

Daily reminder that valve is single handedly responsivle for every bad gaming trend

Microtransactions early acess

Indie shovelware

All the shit indie games were hl2 mods before they got a retail release

Fuck valve

Early source games were fun up until like portal 2

Meh


833969  No.16549283

>>16549268

Being trapped in a fucking cut scene for 30 minutes before I got a melee weapon


8ed8b6  No.16549285

File: a647803e196f5f3⋯.png (105.64 KB, 300x168, 25:14, ClipboardImage.png)

>>16549270

I thought Bethesda were the ones that started the microtransactions


745dab  No.16549298

>>16549285

It was actually microsoft that invented the first model of microtransactions in video games by creating 3 separate pieces of "dlc" for 3 different games but it wasn't very popular because gaming was still relatively niche and the retards hadn't invaded. Horse Armor was the first commercially successful microtransaction.


833969  No.16549314

>>16549298

It wasn't successful, it was mocked as a joke from day 1.


58cc71  No.16549321

>>16549268

>What was the story of HL1?

your a scientist and shit goes wrong, created a portal to another dimension that attracts combine attention, you blow shit up to escape the facility only to kill some floating guy in xen and Gman puts you in cryostasis


58cc71  No.16549324

>>16549314

loads of people bought that shit


05bc06  No.16549329

It's hard to even be mad at the companies when retards keep giving them money to produce this cancer. It's the retards' fault.


745dab  No.16549334

>>16549314

>it wasn't successful

You don't know anything. Do not post anymore.


833969  No.16549340

>>16549334

Prove it faggot.


ad296e  No.16549406

>>16547747

Pretty sure working at Valve is just resume padding akin to working for the Googlag while ignoring the office trannies and genderqueer poly weirdos as long as you can.


af1cce  No.16549432

File: 9bf179a0d233bc3⋯.gif (2.09 MB, 344x315, 344:315, VALVE.gif)


3ae1f1  No.16549896

>>16549107

it's not even propaganda half the time, just retards that want do to "cool videogame stuff" while having the talent of roadkill. back than the hurdle getting into gamedev was higher and you had to put effort in, not to mention it was considered nerdshit thus unattractive to the masses.

now you have thousands of retards dragging everything down that think they are hot shit and due to shitty participation trophy raising can't take a single word of criticism so they will never improve. they produce shit because that's all they can and don't even know what makes something not shit.

>>16549185

>Why work on a total conversion for Skyrim when you can do all the same work in Unity but sell it for 10 bucks? By killing the need for publishers valve killed the hobbyist market.

the fuck you talking about? reusing skyrim assets is on a completely different level than building everything from the ground up. why do you think every indie fps is janky crap? when a battlefield mod would only mean tweaking some numbers?

mods died because hardly any game is moddable these days and companies rather sell dlc than keep the game alive so they can you sell a new one (+dlc) every year. skyrim modding is still active, especially considering how fucking old it is, and the player numbers show people play still play it because of it.


58cc71  No.16550083

>>16549185

>Why work on a total conversion for Skyrim when you can do all the same work in Unity but sell it for 10 bucks

>killing the need for publishers is a bad thing

how kiked can you get? no one wants to buy a game just to play some free mod thats heavily restricted by the game it uses, they'd rather play a standalone game that has full controll over everything and isnt limited by something else


6fb445  No.16550135

>>16547478

>>16548835

>didn't we already have this thread a day ago

>And we had the exact same thing told in a thread weeks ago.

In all occasions Mark or some vol have first bumplocked and then deleted the threads, instead of letting them go naturally.


3ae1f1  No.16550147

>>16550083

>heavily restricted by the game it uses

total conversion always existed and depending how moddable it is there is hardly any restriction at all (besides technical due to the engine).


6fb445  No.16550202

>>16549896

>reusing skyrim assets is on a completely different level than building everything from the ground up. why do you think every indie fps is janky crap?

>building everything from the ground up

>what are asset stores

Most of these janky indie first person games have zero original assets (that's why they're often called "asset flips"), and are not very different from a total conversion mod. The reason they're janky is because they don't even change parameters such as AI and physics. That is, when they only use assets they bought themselves and not assets stolen from other games or pirated from asset store packs, which often happens with indies developed by slavs.

There have been many indie fps on Steam that were basically the Unity/UE4 tech demos and demo testing stages repackaged as commercial indie games with almost 0 changes, and Steam didn't even bother removing some of them from the store despite being reported. Valve definitely doesn't give af about having blatant scams on their store, as long as they get their cut. Unless it's an anime aesthetics game with lolis ofc Steam really was a mistake.


3ae1f1  No.16550255

>>16550202

and you point is? and what the fuck has steam to do with anything?

do you think original assets would made the game less jank and shit? do you think all those games are worth enough to even be supported by a publisher in the first place?

>Valve definitely doesn't give af about having blatant scams on their store, as long as they get their cut.

it's not valve's responsibility what you do with your money, if you buy a shit game that looks like shit and has shit reviews it's your own fucking fault.

it's like buying a shit flavoured lollipop and blaming the supermarket because you're retarded.


d88e2e  No.16550271

>>16550255

No it's being mad that the shitskins running the store are pulling a flipping scam by selling shit that is clearly marked "not for individual sale".


58cc71  No.16550286

>>16550147

it takes years and a huge community to fully understand a game and how it works so you can make a total conversion that isnt just replacing everything and adding your own custom maps. it takes a dedicated autist to make a racing total conversion out of skyrim or fallout.

And why do you think being tied to a publisher is a good thing? they're the people that rip out all the fun a game has right before it releases and alot of the time streamlines games to appeal to niggers


6fb445  No.16550370

>>16550255

>if you buy a shit game that looks like shit and has shit reviews it's your own fucking fault.

>it's like buying a shit flavoured lollipop and blaming the supermarket because you're retarded.

Maybe that's how it works in countries with no consumer protection laws such as burgerland, but in many countries your defense would be laughed out of court. In many places if you run a middleman service, you can be held responsible for every transaction that takes place.

I'm pretty sure that in the following years, in many countries Steam will be required to defend and justify their actions and modus operandi, in courts.


68b746  No.16550371

>>16549298

It was the hat bullshit in TF2 that kicked everything off.


d5b325  No.16550410

>>16550371

The hats and the TF2 economy were influenced by Korean MMOs and designed by the Greek finance minister: https://archive.is/ljOZW


3ae1f1  No.16550488

>>16550370

>in many countries your defense would be laughed out of court.

any fucking lawyer will laugh in your fucking face if you make a fuzz about buying shit in a box if it says shit in a box, everybody else says it's shit in a box, it smells like shit in a box and after verifying if there really is shit in a box YOU ARE STILL GONNA BUY IT.

then they'll kick you out laughing even harder because companies in those countries usually let you return stuff even when you're not entitled to it because it's cheaper in the end and keeps you as a satisfied customer

>I'm pretty sure that in the following years, in many countries Steam will be required to defend and justify their actions and modus operandi, in courts.

yes, steam will totally be dragged into court because YOU are too retarded to not even stop yourself from buying, you don't even ask for a refund immediately after playing it for under 2 hours (and sometimes even more).

suck an exhaust pipe

it also has fuck all to do with asset flips being asset flips and how mods are easier/cheaper to produce for a small team, not to mention that "killed" hobbyist market can now sell it's shit on the biggest pc storefront for just 100 bucks. fuck off.


3ae1f1  No.16550524

>>16550286

>t takes years and a huge community to fully understand a game and how it works so you can make a total conversion

depends how open the game is, as I said.

>And why do you think being tied to a publisher is a good thing?

which I said where? don't confuse me with that tard that thinks gaybe touched him at night.

but while we're at it, not every publisher is EA or activision. and it's never been easier to self-publish. but ofc you have to front the money if it yourself.


6fb445  No.16550645

>>16550488

Now I'd really like to know just how many rupees are you gaining per post, Valve shill?


0c0474  No.16550706

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>>16550488

I am a lawyer, and I am laughing in your face for being a double posting faggot.


6fb445  No.16550730

>>16550706

>now he's resorting to id hopping

You should really be more subtle Dinesh.




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