/v/ - Video Games

All of those ideas sound like shit.

>>16499155

And what are your ideas?

>>16499106

>just be Dark Souls with level scaling

>fun

They don't make RPGs anymore anyway.

>>16499181

Holy shit I didn't realise my ideas was pretty much dark souls in paper Mario.

Guess my taste in games is shit.

>(1) timing and dodging like paper Mario style but actually challenging

Make it so that enemies can use action commands to dodge and counter you too.

If it's a western RPG, just slap on muh immersion and muh roleplaying and watch the nerds replace their failure of a real life with fantasy as they play make believe with a blank slate character with an imaginary backstory, choosing dialogue choices way more wittier than they could ever be.

>>16499242

Not bad.

Any mods I should get for it?

>>16499106

RPGs were always shit, then and now.

>What are your ideas?

My idea is to gas anyone that likes RPG garbage.

>>16499106

All unique weapons/armor/spells are all guaranteed to drop each playthrough but the location is randomized each time. This will hopefully prevent rushing to a specific treasure chest to get the most OP item without removing the chance to get the desired item.

Dueling storylines where you play characters from opposing factions, where each side has an actual compelling and relatable reason for their actions (rather than Holy Paladin Good Guys vs Evil Undead), and the endgame is playing each character against each other for their specific faction victory, uniting together, or each faction losing against the unknown evil that caused the strife to begin with

>create good turn based combat system

>create handcrafted combat encounters

>get good music

everything else is just filler

>>16499347

Too bad the Xenoblade Chronicles series can't be considered the best since its FUCKING SHIT. Nice waifus though.

>>16499106

>What are your ideas?

>Release trailer shows a protagonist for generic rpg skyrim bait

>prologue has you playing the protagonist in the trailer

>the protagonist is an overlevelled god

>protagonist gets killed by friendly fire in a cutscene

>you then play as the grunt who killed him

>>16499106

>(1) timing and dodging like paper Mario style but actually challenging

There's some hacks with stronger enemies and challenges for Paper Mario and TTYD that are pretty cool.

>(4) in addition to number (1) have a parry system which will be harder than dodging but much more rewarding

TTYD has this and most people don't even know about it. You do it by pressing B instead of A. It completely nullifies damage and you even deal damage to physical attackers, but the timing is much tighter.

You either have an action RPG that allows for a bit of player skill or you go full turn based and dice roll. I greatly prefer the former but execution has always been pretty poor. I'd love an Elder Scrolls type of game where the player can level up swords for example when they level up and the actual sword skill of the player increases. You learn new moves from experts, trainers and books, leveling up swords allow you to swing faster, block faster, consume less stamina etc. This would apply to all skills so you'd lockpick more effectively, sneak faster and so on.

Then we have to address actually providing good gameplay, lore, world design and quests. The game still needs to play well and accommodate those skills increasing.

>>16499470

Why is she holding one of those baby dingler things? Is she the mother, or is she the baby?

>>16499470

>xenoblade nigger thinks his opinions matters

lol

>>16499485

>tits

>sodomite

Huh?

>>16499491

I think the viewer is supposed to be the baby, which is fitting for JRPGs.

>>16499106

>have the game adapt to the number of your party(aka certain events will be different and how tough the enemy is)

Adaptive difficulty is cancer. The winning strategy is always to game the system so it goes as easy on you as possible.

>>16499502

>tits

>deviant

They are a fucking primary sexual characteristic.

>>16499496

If I am to be perfectly honest, I'd rather Pyra had some clothes made of cloth instead of that weird latex-like stuff she's got on.

>>16499510

Tits are a secondary sex characteristic.

>>16499508

>>16499510

You are fucking degenerates. Breast are for feeding babies, not for whatever sick depraved fetishistic thoughts you have on your disturbed mind.

>>16499106

>What are your ideas?

I had an idea for a while now. You know how in rpgs where players can manually allocate stat points, you have to stay committed to whatever you spend your points on, right? How about instead of that, we could have an rpg where you can reassign stat points at will.

>boss #1 has high speed and low defense

>reassign your character's stats to be high speed and high attack

>boss #2 has low attack and high defense

>reassign your character's stats to be high defense and high attack

Each boss would require a different setup of stats in order to win. And unlike how some rpgs screw the player over if they choose the wrong stats, this rpg won't have that problem because stats could be changed at any time.

>>16499521

Yes, I'd say that's a lot better. Now it doesn't look like she'd be sweating 24/7 just from moving around

>>16499106

RPGs should be more freeform

>>16499382

Isn't that pretty much underhero?

>>16499529

That's what equipment is for.

>>16499529

Wouldn't that make the game too easy?

If a developer REALLY wants their 'rpg' to have action combat, it has to be good. I'm so sick of the free pass that particular sub-genre gets for being just all around complete shit. German and slav made games and their fans in particular.

>>16499106

>timing and dodging like paper Mario

Fuck that shit. Easily the worst part of the Mario rpg's.

>>16499555

>Shin Megami Tensei V is happening

At this point I really don't believe that

>>16499529

That's what gear and party members are for, or it would be if they were made right.

Can't switch the gear for defense if the character is an offensive archetype, and can't swap party members if they don't level outside fights. So most of the time you end up stuck with a team and the gear that better suits them, and just raise your numbers to beat bosses that are hard against your specific team.

>>16499537

>>16499546

No, I mean the actual base stats. In some rpgs, if you try to minmax your stats, you often leave yourself vulnerable to whatever you neglected. Be it low speed, low defense, or low attack, etc. But on the flipside, if you try to be a generalist in stat distribution, you won't be particularly good at anything. A jack of all trades. I just thought an rpg where stat points can be changed at will, it would be better than getting fucked over midgame and having to restart the game all over with a better stat setup.

>>16499567

You can call them "base stats", but if the player can change them around at will, they're basically just equipment.

>>16499567

>if you try to minmax your stats, you often leave yourself vulnerable to whatever you neglected.

>if you try to be a generalist in stat distribution, you won't be particularly good at anything.

What is the concept of "Risk and Reward"?

>it would be better than getting fucked over midgame and having to restart the game all over with a better stat setup.

git gud

>>16499574

Turn based combat only sucks because it's usually not well made.

It's either too simple or random and usually you can get by just by grinding high stats and spamming "A" when the random encounter triggers.

>>16499106

>What are your ideas?

RPGS need more exploration and treasure hunting. This crafting trend is too tedious and on par with regular grinding. So, more rarity of items, monsters, and events, more hidden caches and buried treasures, each with its own reason for being there. Realistic looting is needed too. Realistic danger areas with increase rewards are a great way to challenge and raise the heart rate. To this day, SaGa Frontier came the closest for me, however, the stories are varied by not very complex though the rest of the game is.

>porn derail attempt

But that anon didn't post any porn?

>>16499613

Who are you talking to?

>>16499631

No.

>>16499625

Mark apparently deleted anon's post because he was advocating for JRPG's. For some reason Cakeman thought anon was dumping porn because he posted some bimbo form Xenogears.

>>16499586

I think the last rpg that annoyed me was SMT Nocturne. Some locked doors in that game required me to have a certain stats in order to open them. At the time, I had wished there was a way for me to relocate stat points around, but no dice. After beating the game, I didn't unlock what was behind those doors until I did another playthrough with a different stat setup.

It's moments like this where rpgs blindside you for not distributing them correctly. Something that you'll have to keep in mind for your next playthrough, even though it shouldn't have to be like that.

>>16499574

>I've noticed that there's a rising attitude in the general gaming community that turn-based combat sucks.

You can thank RPG Maker for that. It's so easy to pump out turn-based rpgs these days, turn-based gameplay isn't really that special anymore. An action rpg might still turn a few heads (it's harder for a dev to create real time combat), but turn-based battles are basic fare.

Make undertale again, but fun this time and not rushed to hell and back.

>>16499607

But anon, we already have S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

>>16499637

>Some locked doors in that game required me to have a certain stats in order to open them.

Just deal with not getting what is behind the door. You don't need to 100% the game, specially if it's your first playthrough.

Meh, even if you include the western rpgs with real-time combat, I don't think I've ever really enjoyed the combat in rpgs. That hasn't stopped me from liking them. In fact, when you have a game with stats, items and levels that matter the combat will automatically be boring imo. If they tried to make it less boring then the items and stats would become less important and the overall gaming experience would suffer. So I don't think trying to fix rpg combat is important. They're doomed to have a shitty combat. Better just focus on the other stuff that makes rpgs fun.

>>16499624

I cant see how the original story would translate well into a game.

You'd have to take liberty with the story or make a entirely new one within the setting.

>>16499658

Who cares about the story? We only need the setting, it's perfect.

>>16499661

True but then what will the game be about?

>game is actually about exploring a mystery fantasy world

>has a good involving atmosphere

>quests are not given with a quest marker by a npc or to collect shit but they exist as part of the lore of the game and you finish them by thinking, reading, talking, fighting, exploring

>you can hunt unique amazing treasures and fight cool designed bosses with challenge but very rewarding

>mobs feel part of the place you exploring

>mobs are very diverse and different with no skin recycling

>good level design

>diverse customization of character

>skill level gets higher as much you use that skill

>challenge enough that makes you develop tatics and prepare strategies for you travels

>you have a comfy place to keep trophies, treasures you get from your adventures

Its not hard to do it.

>>16499106

>seeks RPGs

>asks console niggers at /v/

>doesn't lurk /vg/

>doesn't lurk the original place for RPGs, /tg/

lurk two years, newfag

>Turn-based

>Tons of distinct (unlockable) jobs for party customization

>Small numbers. None of this retarded hit for 9203497812304178 damage bullshit

>Simple but simultaneously campy story with a few dramatic and emotional flairs for spice

There done I have returned RPG back to the good days. You may thank me later.

Doesn't really matter if it's turn based or real time, the combat in an RPG has to be well designed while also satisfying the autism some of us have in looking for loopholes. Story is pretty much secondary especially because lorefags tend to ruin everything, just don't make it so that you have to read the description of each junk item to piece two and two together because that is not good world building at all.

>>16499106

It looks like you got your ideas from playing games like dark souls and bloodborne.

>>16499802

I think is more of a joke them that.

>>16499817

I figured the belt might have just been a joke item, since in the past people would put stuff like that in for laughs, not being serious.

we need more RPGs like daggerfall.

an open world and make it where the world doesn't revolve around you, the player character.

You are just another adventure.

maybe later on you can feel important as you climb up and make a name for yourself like in morrowind.

also add shit like hunger, wounds that can't heal unless you go to a healer or have high enough medical skill, thirst and fatigue.

make it an actual ROLE PLAYING GAME instead of some action game with stats where you're just some tank avatar.

>>16499863

>we need more RPG's with empty cooky cutter procedural generated worlds

I really think the No Mans Sky approtch to RPG's is not good. I know I give western RPG's a hard time but if the west wants to save its ass it needs to scale back and think Quality over Quantity. Try the Warren Spector "One City Block" design out for once. Fallout 1 was great precisely because it was so small but there where many different ways to replay the game. One of the problems of western game design is it try's to be too much to too many different people.

The fuck were my posts deleted for?

>>16499895

the water exploit could be solved by making a grid based inventory like in STALKER or Deus Ex.

that means you'd need to actually ration your food and water. learn to eat from what's in the environment, boil water to prevent the evil spirits from fucking up your insides, etc.

only way you should really stockpile is if you are going to a super hot area like a desert.

>>16499851

>her

I thought wikipedia was suppose to be objective.

>>16499911

>learn to eat from what's in the environment

Yes, this too is part of what makes a good hunger/thirst system. It has to allow you, to some degree, scavenge from the environment.

>>16499928

that's the part where you threaten them by gunpoint to stop being fucking jews or else you'll leak all their secrets online.

>>16499106

>old style FF

You mean the franchise where there's only one good game that isn't shit for casuals (5 for the record)? Your suggestions also sound like something straight out of a modern FF that's too afraid of being actually good so it has to shoehorn some shit gimmick or modern gameplay element in there. Dragon Quest seems to be doing alright despite barely bothering with modern design trends, they just make a pretty good game most of the time. I've only played DQ9 personally, but from what I can tell the worst games are 2 because nobody fucking playtested it, 6 maybe?, the original version of 7 because it's probably taken some people a dynasty to complete it, and 9 because you need to be Japanese to properly play it 100% and enjoy the grind needed to do so (no I did not confuse it with 10, the MMO).

>>16499863

You want Outward.

>>16499895

>chores

That's what they're supposed to be. They can be a pain in the ass sometimes, but they elevate the immersion immensely. They're specially good at giving good meaning to non-combat stuff like fishing, farming, cooking, etc.

The big "no no" is having that stuff outright kill you if you deplete them, but penalties (and in some cases bonuses) are pretty interesting.

And as any other mechanic, it needs to be well designed into the game, and not just hamfisted on top of a normal non survival RPG.

>>16499999

>Outward.

thanks anon, I'll give it a look.

I hope it also has diverse options in armor and clothing, that way I don't have to see a sprite with the same armor that at most might be changed with a different hue of color.

mabinogi and the TES games had the right idea

>We changed how HP worked in our game

How?

All but 3 are utterly shit

Why not try to emulate pen and paper RPGs more instead of just making a worse videogame?

>>16500036

>combat is samey

>because you try to kill your enemy

Are you guys retarded? I hope your game doesn't involve pressing buttons, otherwise it will just be too samey.

>>16500067

>>16500036

lol forgot to actually reply

>all my post got deleted for no reason

>>16500126

Seems interesting.

I'd give it a try.

>>16500140

You can get it here, but it's only a Windows build. I would have to scavenge to find the Linux build.

https://dinoleaf.com/storage/

Feedback's welcome, even though there's a lot of problems I already have addressed with this proof of concept.

>>16500126

The energy system sounds like I Miss The Sunrise, which was pretty good

>>16499529

So Kingdoms of Amalur then? Changing class at will is a neat idea but you spend 40 hours as a thief/mage and then want to go warrior because you're bored, you need new weapons as you can't use your old ones, need to get use to the new skills as your old ones have locked and can't open chests anymore because you went pure warrior.

>>16499727

Shitposting in RL. That jester went out with a bang.

>>16499106

>make recruiting teammates optional and have the game adapt to the number of your party(aka certain events will be different and how tough the enemy is

this has been around for a very long time, dragonquest 6 had it, for example

>>16499824

By the looks of it .

I think most of his ideas were from games like paper Mario

But the faggot never says what type of rpg he is talking about so we dont know

>>16499196

More playable lolis in RPGs is all we need.

>>16501060

The "game" part comes from the strategies and decision making, in combat and outside of it.

The way you're describing it could also mean that stuff like chess aren't actual games, you're just moving pieces towards the opponent pieces.

The problem is that the usually RPGs are too simplistic and the combat is too barebones for it to have meaningful strategies involved, so it's just spamming attack to get rid of the random encounters. See >>16499586

>>16501060

>Rhythm game with stats.

What's wrong with?

You seem to have a problem with adding stuff like that even when it improves the game.

We've seen that rpg that try to change the gameplay have a dedicated fanbase that love the game.

>paper Mario

<undertake

>>16499837

>It worked for Dark Souls

Looking at the amount of mouth breathing Dark Souls lore channels it really didn't

>>16501194

What people do on their lore channels does not affect the game. Just how you see the game for some reason.

>>16499106

>rpg

>fun

Pick one.

>>16499106

So basically you want an adventure game and not an rpg…

>>16501197

>just how you see the game for some reason

>Some reason

>Oh how can a large demand for people to have the story told to them because of an obtuse method of giving it that they might not even know is there in the first place lead someone to think this method of story telling where plot points are miss able pieces of paper on the floor doesn't exactly work.

This is your brain on Fromsoft.

>>16501060

>write a long bait post

>put the twist right at the top

you fucked up

>>16501201

Basically I want turn based rpgs with a little bit of actual action instead mashing A until the fight is done

Do I buy Disgaea or Phantom Brave?

>>16501227

Buy neither and just emulate them nigger

>>16499821

> Story is pretty much secondary

Yeah, it only needs to be internally consistent.

>>16501253

So it's Morrowind :^)

I'd rather list things not to do to make an RPG boring

>Quantity over quality of writing (Atom RPG, Pillars of Eternity)

Reading a fucking novel every time you meet a character to find out if it's just flavor text or if it's important to a quest or the story is a pain, especially when it's not well written.

>Combat that takes forever without the option to speed it up (Slow animations and delays)

Speaks for itself. It gets old real fast when a fight with random mooks takes 15 minutes even at high levels. I'd just like an option to make it faster.

>Backtracking

Having to spend hours on walking your character through big areas for no reason is horrible. Atom RPG was very annoying in this regard since it didn't have the FO system where you could choose what part of a settlement you enter from the world map. You end up wasting lots of time just running slowly from the entrance to the far end of the settlement to do one thing and then having to run back slowly to get to the world map.

>Grinding

I guess this ties into the combat. If the combat is fun, then a bit of grinding is barely noticeable, but I think a better way to replace/hide it is with side quests.

>Crafting (I believe it can be done right, but never seen it)

Bad crafting systems in my opinion are when you have to carry a metric fuckton of every kind of garbage you find, because it might be needed later, but most of the craftable items are useless crap. Combine that with having to experiment on the garbage to find recipes where the combinations are reminiscent of old point&click adventure games and you've got a really annoying mechanic.

>>16499106

This is Action-Adventure with player stats and level-ups. Also, dynamic difficulty and level scaling is cancer.

How to make RPGs good: immersive setting with cohesive world-building. Interesting characters. Interesting settings and encounters. Not generic D&D bullshit. REMOVE tank-healer-dmg simpleton game design crutch.

I wouldn't mind seeing something set in The Black Company world for instance, even though the books were kind of poorly written. Also, Rolemaster combat with heavy, world-ending CRITS would be interesting to try.

I keep hearing canons saying

>muh immersive world

But they never give an example on how to do it

Which is proof that most people here are hypocrites

>>16501566

>ANONS

for fucks sake

>>16501327

Morrowind is shit. Morrofags need to stop shilling this game.

>>16501566

>But they never give an example on how to do it

>Which is proof that most people here are hypocrites

no, it's not. It is however self-evident from your post that you have never read a book. Or you would know what immersive worlds are.

>>16501230

You make a good point, sir.

>>16499374

Where's the part that makes it a roleplaying video game?

>>16499574

>I see more and more people both in and outside of /v/ talking about how they don't like JRPGs because of turn-based combat.

No, it's not because the combat is turn based, it's because JRPG combat is fucking shit. There's not thought or challenge to it, it's just

>"spam attack button if weak enemy. Otherwise use spam skill. If HP low, use item."

It most certainly is objectively bad design that is clearly implemented because it's so fucking easy to make. Proper turn based combat in RPGs can be seem mostly in the west, with games like Underrail or Age of Decadence. The literally only instance I'm aware of where this shitty menu combat was actually good and didn't need to be carried by the rest of the game was Sengoku Rance and Kichikuou Rance, and those were strategy games first and foremost.

>>16503889

Saw it in an alley in Denver. Dunno what's behind that door, it was locked.

>FF

>RPG

>>16499106

Sounds like you have no idea what a role-playjng game is.

>>16503967

I think OP wants a video game about being a circus performer.

>timing and dodging like paper Mario style but actually challenging

Acrobatics.

>make recruiting teammates optional and have the game adapt to the number of your party

Circus troop.

>encouraging exploration by adding hidden items that are really cool

Clown performance and interaction with the audience with prizes.

>in addition to number (1) have a parry system which will be harder than dodging but much more rewarding

More tricks.

Not sure where the roleplay is, though. Maybe there will be a lot of interaction between actors behind the scenes.

>>16505540

LOL this post is gem.

Saved

>>16499106

>and have the game adapt to the number of your party(aka certain events will be different and how tough the enemy is)

thats retarded; instead, you and party members should get an xp penalty based on how many party members you have

that way, you can beat the game by yourself at a really high level, or you can beat the game with a large low-level party

>>16506067

This point was more on story rather than gameplay so that the story would feel natural if decided you only wanted one member or chosen to be a lone wolf

The fun RPG would not be called an RPG, it would be called an adventure. Because it wouldn't have stat sheets, instead character progression and growth would be organic and the subtle results of your character growing within his role. It wouldn't have dice rolling, all the player would see is their actions and the results they have on the world around them (think dwarf fortress combat as an example of how to elide dice rolling). In essence it would be an adventure game with a very rich and responsive world.

>>16499106

>>16499189

If your idea is basically level scaling and rubberbanding I am immediately turned off until I hear more on how you would execute it. The rest sounds exactly like Shadow Hearts. Which was breddy gud, even the last one was fun even if the story was bland.

>>16508650

F4's radiant quests are good if you just want to grind, or if you just want to kill shit. Maybe there's some new skill you want, or maybe you just got a new skill or weapon and want to go test it out. The radiant quests give you a clear place to go where you know there will be a decent number of enemies and you will get a good amount of XP and loot in the end. Certainly no substitute for real sidequests, but a useful thing to have in a game regardless.

>>16508650

Underrail and Age of Decadence fit those criteria.

>>16508682

Get a load of this mongoloid. Really, most "people" in this thread have no idea what RPG even is.

>>16508689

It's not like I said F4 was good, I said that the radient quests are a good addition. Specifically, having a mechanic that fills some random dungeon with loot and enemies for you to go and loot and fight is a useful mechanic, especially in an open world game where running out of shit to kill is a serious problem as the game doesn't just "end" when you finish the story.

>>16508695

If you don't want the game to end when you finish the story you can play an action RPG like Grim Dawn instead. You'll even get lots of unique loot instead of adhesive and screws on respawns.

Gas the Jews and everything, very much including video games, will be wonderful.

>>16508695

Another thought: I don't know a single good open world RPG that either alread yhas radiant quests or could use radiant quests to become even better than it already is.

>>16499106

There is no way. RPGs of today have to have crafting, a pointless survival hunger mechanic and be full of UNIQUE TM races and creatures, that are totally not corrupted generic fantasy creatures.

Oh and of course it has to have tons of stupid lore.

There will never be a game like Might and Magic again. Devs are incapable of making it. Might and Magic of today would be tied to an artifical grid, even though the OG games were free range. It would have tons of unique abilities with +10% crit here, +50% attack speed there.

It would be arcadey as fuck with no simulationist aspect.

And you had to eat an apple ever few minutes of game time.

>>16508738

KCD

>>16513474

Which one is it supposed to be?

>>16499555

Jew Vegas wasn't that good.

>>16499837

Dork Souls has a story?