/v/ - Video Games

>>16450653

>but I don't think they're capable or willing to tone it down because it brings them a ton of cash.

Of course not.

It's really understated just how much money it nets publishers.

While voting with your wallet is ineffective to anything but the most obvious and blatant fuckups, I still think/hold hope that streaming will be one of those fuckups and it will be dead on arrival.

Banning lootboxes won't do anything. What needs to happen is an audit to reveal this shit as the money laundering scheme it really is.

I think people should be smart enough not to buy this shit, but that won't ever happen. I want things to go back to one price for the whole game, and only substantial expansions as extra content that is always developed post launch. Unfotunately the cat is out of the bag with these monetization schemes and "gamers" love eating shit so we are largely fucked. Government intervention seems too slippery but maybe it could work.

>>16450775

Marxists already control gaming.

Yes, get big government involved in video games. Let big brother raise your kids for you. Of course the retarded gambling addicts are the victims we need to protect. While where at it let's sneak in a clause that ends video games as free speech because the dog eaters will test video game monetization as free speech in court.

Also if this goes through then will video games become illegal to distribute without an ESRB reading. Because another solution will declare everything with loot boxes as AO. Then government enforce the ESRB as law which jails anyone under age from playing video games of that reading. Also you will need federal ID to purchase games of any kind.

It isn't a matter of if, but when now.

The damage control is so predictable.

>>16450556

>Should Lootboxes/Micro-transactions be banned?

good question, I mean it is cancer, but in the same time banning something doesn't make people any wiser, and it's the stupidity of the gaymers that guides the direction of the games industry

>>16450790

Bringing it to the forefront of discussion though will put more scrutiny on these companies which is always a good thing.

>>16450556

Everything that fucks over corporations is good.

>>16450790

There has been no real innovation in video game design in triple A companies outside of monetization schemes and games as a service that turns software into borderline gambling. This is the argument for pushing this bill. The question is if lootboxes are regulated then how does one prevent "thuh chilluns" from playing games with legal gambling outside of ID scanning per log in? And what about games rated before AO? Will Jack Thompson get his way and have game sales restricted by age? If so then will everyone under the age of 18 need to apply for a state ID just to buy video games at retail?

I'm predicting worst Korea case scenario here.

>>16450811

>>16450775

Fuck off lolberg

The problem is lootboxes are used to create a false sense of replayability with a game and/or used to lock in-game content behind a wall of either time or pay (usually both).

>>16450877

They're also used to justify a lack of game mode options and private servers.

It should get recognized as the gambling that it is and then all the revenue should be diverted towards the injuns so that they can virtue signal to their death.

>>16450811

This is a national socialist board rabbi, fuck off.

>>16450806

Alternative scenario: publishers are unwilling to let go of the gambling schemes, so in order to bypass the "protect the children" angle of the ban, they start adding gore and titties to all the games so they can claim they are for adults only, thus SJWs and feminists end up getting purged from the industry.

>government in charge of solving anything

Kek, people never fucking learn. Maybe it'll do some good on the short term, but wait a bit and you'll have an even bigger problem in your hands.

>>16450556

>Do you think the government should intervene in this practice of nickle-and-diming video games?

>there's the argument that it could be a slippery slope for the government to get its hands further into the video game industry to wave its dick around.

Conceptually, the government exists to serve the people, so this shouldn't be a problem. However, this isn't the world we live in, and implementing law could have some unintended consequences. Additionally, I don't think it's wise to leave it to the government to be the arbiters of morality.

>Parents should always hold responsibility over their children, especially when it comes to their own finances

Yeah, but there's only so much a parent can do to safeguard their children from unpalatable influences. Government regulation can help with this to some extent, so I think a combination of both are necessary. Still, it all depends on the breadth and integrity of any given law that's proposed.

>this practice is ruining games even further for the sake of milking even more money out of people who already paid for their game. With publishers becoming more and more anti-consumer over time some protectionism is necessary.

Good luck trying to get worthwhile government regulation to do anything meaningful. Corporations will always have a legal division that's dedicated to finding loopholes in the law, so any kind of protectionism must be constantly revised and thoroughly enforced. Even if the laws are just and effective, it's going to be an uphill battle to even get them into place. People argue over the most nonsensical shit, and you'd have to work to convince everyone to see your point of view before any change will be enacted. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it seems unlikely, because the corporations who may be against your ideas will just try to find a way to propagandize to a base who will support them and act as a roadblock to the law-making process.

>Boycotting and refusing to buy games with lootboxes can be done until the cows come home, but it's clear there's a large amount of retards who have no restraint whatsoever and they're the ones who show publishers there's lots of money to be made this way.

Consumers have no solidarity whatsoever. The consumer base of any given product can be divided on a number of issues, everything from whether or not a game should have microtransactions to the color of a character's eyes. As long as the individual can have his say, there are too many opinions to consider, and as long as there is a fracturing of the community's opinion on any given issue, it's easy to sensationalize one side or another. It's the same problem with politics. This is why both guerilla marketing and lobbyists exist. The first step is probably that a prevailing opinion on this matter must be tempered and solidified such that no resistance can be made against it.

In short, I would agree that government regulation is a great ideal to strive for, but in practice I'm not entirely confident that it wouldn't exacerbate related problems.

This shit wouldn't be a problem if all kikes were wiped from the face of the Earth.

>>16450556

Yes.

>>16450801

This.

>>16450811

All corporations must be destroyed.

>>16451143

>All corporations must be destroyed.

How about we find a common ground in all governments corporations and banks must be destroyed.

>>16450556

Of course it should, it's nothing but a money grubbing scheme that ultimately benefits nobody but the fat kikes in charge of the games to say the least.

>>16451147

And then we have this kind of people. Do you even know what a cheat code is?

>>16450556

I don't think that government should intervene, but some gamers should just connect their brain cells and don't spend money on it.

I just want to be able to directly purchase whatever the fuck I want for a reasonable price. I've bought a skin in a game once, but now they're selling all new skins thorugh lootboxes and I'm not gonna buy a dozen lootboxes to get the one thing I want.

These jewish tricks can't be good for a game's health, can they? Whales will fund it, but reasonable players will abandon it.

>>16451279

Literally everyone could stop using it overnight and companies would still keep it in solely because they themselves can abuse it to skew statistics for investors.

>>16451303

Get fucked.

No, because it won't solve the problem of most consumers being complete retards. It'd be more valuable to teach macro and micro economics in high school.

>>16451410

> It'd be more valuable to teach macro and micro economics in high school.

They already do this.

>>>/v/16451456

Trannypol really is like a broken record.

Essentially, lootboxes became shit when they managed to get away with removing "guaranteed drops" from the equations.

Back when Crates were the Defacto money laundering scheme on Steam, nobody cared because the autistic players got their hats and the scammers got their money for imaginary metals.

Now Sega, took it a new level.

Multiple tiers of drops.

Then having shit drop rates for anything you actually want 0.55%~ 0.666% .

Should Lootboxes/Micro-transactions be banned?

NO , they should only be played by adults. there will then be a push for AO games to not be stigmatized because there will be money in it.

>>16450946

Cigarettes have benefits, though there are safer ways to get those now. Lootboxes don't, they're a strictly worse form of gambling (pay real money, only get your winnings in digital bullshit).

>>16451410

Wouldn't work. Retards don't learn, education does nothing but filter. Business models that allow retard whales to contribute a massively outsized portion of a company's revenue should be obstructed and fought by any means necessary, because if not they'll become the only viable way to make a profit.

>>16450783

>I prefer corporate kikery to gubmint kikery

neither scenario is acceptable.

>>16451478

>Cigarettes have benefits

so what, there are way less harmful alternatives for addicts (and bystanders): patches, nasal sprays, inhalers.

>>16451312

>I've bought a skin in a game once

<paying money for the $CURRENT_YEAR equivalent of horse armor

>>16451533

>>16451569

shut up you niggerpill faggot

>>16451569

>>16451533

>>16451590

>>16451622

Shouldn't you be moderating your board?

>>16450741

> The only time I would let this slide is with a game like WoW, where they supposedly need money for server upkeep and all that shit.

See even that's going to essentially allow for a loophole/slippery slope. Considering even non-mmos force you to use the dev's servers they can easily defend all sorts of shit on the grounds of "these servers aren't cheap you know!".

The answer really is that being able to run your own servers and not be forced to use the developers should be a consumer right, no exceptions. That is of course what the whole GaaS shit is really about because games companies don't want to lose such an effective anti-piracy measure.

>>16451664

Funny how they cry about costs yet force everyone to use their server farms that have six digit monthly electrical bills. Almost like it's a smokescreen or something.

>>16451635

does that guy actually make good videos? i usually cant get past the smug but enjoy lore discussions

>>16451672

He is middle of the road, he has a bunch of knowledge on shit but tends to make wrong conclusions. I guess he is worth listening to because he has insider contacts but his attitude is annoying.

>>16450556

No. If the items obtained do not effect the gameplay whatsoever, then it doesn't matter to me.

>>16450556

Everybody's focusing on the wrong issues. GaaS and microjewing are just a part of a bigger problem. Stallman was right. Games, and software are products you purchase. Had that been respected, if they would provide resources neccessary to modify and run their software, then none of this would be talked about

>>16452073

no as you can see with games. every thing would be gambling if it wasn't restricted

buying a candy bar would be a slot because you are giving acompany money and they are giving you nothing in return.

>>16450790

>banning something doesn't make people any wiser

Nothing makes people wiser on the scale of individual lifetimes. Increasing intelligence, outside of the low-hanging fruit like nutrition that's already plucked in first-world countries, is a thousand-year or longer project (decreasing it, on the other hand, is very easy). Any solution has to accept that stupid people exist and work around that fact.

>>>/v/16452073

I know you're paid to push this worthless pilpul but in case anyone lurking actually fell for this remember that lootboxes are already taxed. This has nothing to do with control and everything to do with some up and coming congressman trying to look like good guy for his career.

We already have laws that regulate gambling, and lootboxes are gambling. It's not like a completely new set of regulations meant to just siphon money off the top of a cash cow, to drum up votes from a dumb and frightened constituency, or crush a nascent industry which poses a threat to establishment players. If they want to turn their games into virtual casinos, they should be regulated as would casinos be. Take those mechanics out, and the regulation goes away.

Casinos is a bad analogy, but there's laws regulating online gambling as well which would apply.

>>16452208

>If they want to turn their games into virtual casinos, they should be regulated as would casinos be. Take those mechanics out, and the regulation goes away.

Exactly.

>>16452073

>So kikes can tax and control it?

Kikes kiking Kikes who kike goy with addiction problems. I fail to see a problem, since at the end of the day, this particular stranglehold of an elaborate governmental embezzlement scheme has the unintended side effect of making society a better place.

>>16452303

The reservations milk them for tons of money, even if they don't use it properly.

<commie nigger

>fuck corporations because duh rich! ban lootboxes!

<nazi nigger

>fuck gambling because duh jewish owners! ban lootboxes

<principled libertarian

>the government has no right over your ability to participate in gambling as an autonomous individual with rational decision making. you may not like that people are giving away their money, but it is their freedom to choose to do so. if lootboxes have gone so far as to become a nuisance, the invisible hand of the market will correct itself by allowing for competition to arise where a quality product free from lootboxes can be sold at a better price, thus naturally growing in popularity and forcing lootbox economies to become unsustainable. any government intervention in this free market process will not only hinder the goal of ending lootboxes, but will actually create a system where corporations will have to resort to even more conniving means to take money by skirting the law. not to mention by doing so you inflate the state's overall power, inadvertently creating a more hostile and dangerous entity that will ever more encroach on personal liberties and freedoms until you are either a slave or a corpse.

>>16452303

> it would be hilarious if companies ended up running huge pollution spewing server farms on Native American land specifically to get around the regulation

Someone actually trying this with video poker or some shit and it didn't work. With electronic transactions they don't give a shit where the game is hosted or the payment is process ; if it's in US dollars, or funbux paid for in US dollars, they'll clamp down on it. I think they'd do it to feathernigger casinos too if it weren't a surefire way to sink their chances at reelection.

>>16452309

>>16452309

>the government has no right over your ability to participate in gambling as an autonomous individual with rational decision making

This is where libertarianism falls apart. Humanity as a mass have never been smarter than a fucking toddler, let alone normalfags and initialization that have been happening lately. Humanity always needed a leader to actually do something, because masses can be easily malleable to solve problems a single person can't solve, but under the guidance of one or a few. Then there's problems like media manipulation and marketing, that literally manipulates people into buying stuff that is simply bad, just because of social pressure, which makes you part of the mass.

At this point, masses are mentally retarded and they shouldn't be trusted with money in the first place. I wouldn't say government banning lootboxes solves the core problem, but it's the equivalent of not giving a knife to a monkey.

>>16452309

>A system organizaed around the weakest qualities of individuals will produces these same qualities in its leaders. The mark of the educated man is the suppression of these qualities in favor of better ones. The same is true of civilization.

>>16452327

>responding

>>16452339

>>16452327

>dude people are retards, so lets make a group of powerful, uncountable men with weapons our second parents. i mean, we have to protect the retarded after all :^)

For the record, most of this shit is technically illegal anyway, it's just that nobody's taken legal action to actually do something about it.

>>16452349

Cut em some slack, they're probably a dumb euro.

>>16452353

I think natural selection has made it so Europeans are temperamentally predisposed to wanting to be fucked in the ass by their government. Let's not forget they only left the EU by a 2% margin.

>>16452349

>>16452360

>>16452353

In a country where not making a cake for a faggots gets you in a prison and asking too much questions makes you shoot yourself in the back of the head 10 times its pretty funny to see people acting like they're not just as controlled and watched like everyone else.

>>16452367

A government forcing you to bake a fag cake and state agents killing their own civilians? Sure does make my case for libertarianism even stronger.

>>16452367

Nice whataboutism faggot.

Cake shit was unconstitutional and Frivolous litigation based on partisan lines

And you can't honestly expect anyone to buy that Democrat murdergoons constitute legitimate government action.

>>16452396

<I'm a natsoc larper and I don't know a fucking thing about politics

>>>/v/16452402

Good job outing your sockpuppet ID you dipshit.

>>16452396

>government as a concept is evil

It literally is though. Any entity that uses force and coercion to achieve their goals is evil. That's not to say that we can completely be rid of evil altogether. The state should be extremely limited. Borders, prisons, army, that's it. Everything else should be private.

>>16452418

>amazon coins

Why is this shit legal but not cryptocurrency?

>>16452412

Libertarian philosophy is vastly more informed on economics and the psychology of man than fucking National Socialism.

Nazi faggots still can't accept their ideology failed when their leader blew his brains out like a coward.

>>16452418

It's going to be funny when this lootbox shit gets a real investigation and we see just how often companies have been doing shit like remotely accessing people's phones to buy shit illicitly behind their back or other scummy bullshit that preys less on people's stupidity and more their lack of initiative.

>>16452427

>my shit is better than his shit!

You're the only one who brought up nazis, because that's the only way you can make lolbertarianism sound sane.

>>16452439

Because it's not like American society is arguably the best in the world and nearly everywhere else emulates it while being passive aggressive about it.

Shit even with it being corrupted with partisan bullshit it still kicks the ass of the rest of the fucking planet.

>>16452439

You were calling him out for calling out Nazi larpers, so I just assumed you were defending Nazi larping.

So what are you then? Basic bitch liberal/conservative or some bullshit special snowflake anarcho-syndacalist-primitivist-niggerist type faggotry?

>>16452439

I like how fast he responded to this. Not even pretending to not be IP hopping at this point.

>>16452447

You know it's really pathetic when the only thing you can come up with as a legitimate excuse for a contrary view is conspiracy.

>>16452459

In his mind it's inconceivable that more than one person would ever rebuke something retarded like statism.

There's a reason why 95% of libertarians are white and the majority of gibs voters are niggers.

>>>/v/16452459

Honest question: who do you think you're fooling here? Literally nobody is falling for your bullshit.

>>16451027

>Alternative scenario: publishers are unwilling to let go of the gambling schemes, so in order to bypass the "protect the children" angle of the ban, they start adding gore and titties to all the games so they can claim they are for adults only, thus SJWs and feminists end up getting purged from the industry.

This would never happen because it would massively limit their market reach. And lacking appeal to SJW and normalfags also limits their access to idiots, who are more likely to succumb to loot boxes in the first place. I can't see it as anything other than a losing situation for predatory gaming companies. And they deserve to get their shit stomped for the direction they have taken gaming.

>>16452471

It's actually pretty easy to fool you. You bought into the big government meme lmao.

>>16452471

Don't know man, I don't walk into places with the initial thought of fooling people. Does say a lot though that is what you presume I would do.

>>16452472

Really I don't know why companies don't have paid gory mode for every game now. Anyone dumb enough to bother with gachashit in the first place is probably dumb enough to fall for the "cosmetics don't effect anything" meme and either buy it or not have a problem with it in the first place. If nothing else it would be funny seeing a bloody Rabbids or Minions iphone game or whatever.

>>16450653

bitchford just threw a fit over being called out on his bullshit and asked why they were trying to ruin him. They are hurting and they know exactly why. If the feds get involved all of that work put in shitting on these companies and their practices will have been for nothing and loop holes for the AAA games will be built in while small start up games get fucked over by blanket regulation. Fuck the feds and all of their bullshit agencies we do not need more nonsense laws.

>>>/v/16452512

>we do not need more nonsense laws.

Which isn't what is happening here but by all means keep reading that tired script. I'm sure we'll fall for it the next time you do it.

>>16452487

That's what happens to people who obsess over niggers and kikes, they slowly begin to become them in both actions and thoughts.

>>16452518

>Which isn't what is happening here

Children do not have credit cards. This law is nonsense.

>it IP hopped again

>>16452505

>hence why it took the combined military and economic might of a majority of the world's countries to defeat it.

Optimistic way of saying

"Russia and America glassed europe for being retarded only for them to be retarded in a mostly similar way less than a century later"

>>16452562

>Some of them are even dumb enough to steal the credit card from their mom's purse wallet

my half brother did just that and spent 500$ on fortnite. He got slapped in the face, had to promise to work back the 500$ and actually do it and he's not allowed to play fortnite anymore. Little idiot is turning 13 this summer.

>>16452576

>my half brother did just that and spent 500$ on fortnite.

That is an unlawful purchase. They must refund that amount. If they do not, then make a fraud report to the credit card company and it will be charged back to them.

Getting rid of MTX and lootboxes won't stop diversity teams and social engineering from targeting morons, which is the real cancer killing any quality in AAA gaming, but it should reduce their ability to seem like they are being pushed for profit and discourage greedy fatcats who are copying the big boys without understanding the agenda. Ultimately though, nothing will work because you can't fix stupid through legislation and new systems will be gamed until that last straw falls and a true culture arises from the ashes.

>>16452576

>half brother

It's not his fault he was raised by degenerate parents.

>>16452578

>b-buh muh joos

An issue that could have been fixed without you retards having another sped fest, neigh immediately after the last one.

>>16452582

not my problem, I've moved out of that house 10 years ago, I just thought it was funny when my sister told me about it.

>>16452587

Mhm

>>16452593

Oh, no, germany lost world war 1 and went into an economic depression? How awful. Completely justifies the inordinate waste of time and resources the German conquest of europe was.

>>16452601

>Except unlike some kind of commodity or penny stock, they probably don't have to pay any taxes on their revenue, and that is probably the main reason why they dump $400 on some PUBG scarf.

Just to make it explicitly clear. It's not because the PUBG scarf looks nice or that PUBG is a good game that competes well on the market. It's because people think they can resell the scarf for a higher price.

>>16452613

That is called speculation.

>>16452620

Yeah. That's what I mean.

The whole "vote with your wallet" and whatever is not a solution at all when it comes to this.

If there had to be some kind of capital gains tax or whatever on CSGO skins and TF2 hats, these faggots would be looking to somewhere else to make money.

Only cosmetics microtransactions should be permitted, nothing else

>>16452690

>Ban the allowance of purchasing in-game items directly in games that are under the M rating

>Make it so every game needs to have a currency system that can only be purchased in $15 - $20 increments.

A better way to phrase these would be;

>In-app purchases are only permissible in games with an M rating (or equivalent) or higher

>Each in-app purchase may not exceed $20.00 USD (or equivalent)

I can see these two rules placing a damper on rampant spending, which would protect the end user to some degree, but they don't necessarily address the issues with lootboxes, such as their addictive nature and the absurdly low drop chances on worthwhile item drops being standard practice that prey on the uninitiated and unsuspecting. Additionally, these rules wouldn't address the underlying morality of the issue at hand; is it permissible to put this kind of monetization in digital content in the first place?

>>16451420

Is it the kosher common core version? I don't see kids understanding economics as they should.

>>16451576

>I can't understand sarcasm.

>>16452059

This is the biggest problem with computer software in general. The forcing of always online accounts and subscriptions to use software is honestly just an excuse to make money. It's like property rentals. People would rather lease property rather than sell it outright because renting lets you keep full control of the property (also tax credits, but that isn't relevant at the moment).

>>16452208

>>16452217

Didn't a court throw out Hawaii's case saying that lootboxes are like trading card packs because you always get a prize?

>>16452801

I think inapp caps are desirable. Perhaps banning certain types. There can be a distinction between rechargeable game currency and one-time DLC purchases. Government could use the regulation to protect retail by requiring game currency transactions to occur at a physical or separate online store. That's already in place so it could be done without issue. These rechargeable purchases should be redeemed and not tied directly into the app. That is what makes them unsafe. Inapp can still exist, but it should be used for one-time, non-rechargeable content like cosmetics, characters, levels, and expansions. In-game currency could still be earned within the game as a reward.

>>16452690

>implying parents don't let their kids play M games nowadays

It always comes back to bad parenting. Stop that and you don't even need regulations though that doesn't stop the whale problem

>>16452975

> I don't see kids understanding economics as they should.

It's plain to see that kids today are fucking hopeless and brainwashed. They will never learn from anyone but the kikes, same goes for all future generations. Jews won before the race war even started.

>>16450556

>should the government…

The answer will always be no.

>would you rather corporations continue to ruin everything or let the corporation controlled government ruin everything instead

Sounds good.

>>16453093

False dilemma

>>16453079

And hes right, it's still no. Those are the duty of the private citizen.

>>16453129

That's a nice doctrine you have. What percentage of private citizens are doing their duty today?

>>16453150

How many governments are?

no and no.

Ban the purchase of loot boxes for users under 18 (which will remove it for everyone) but the concept of them is bearable as an ingame reward mechanic. I don't exactly like it but fuck governments banning it.

Same with micro transactions. Risk for the govkikes fucking up is WAY too high.

I mean I'd like p2w being banned but that's a dangerous game. Sure, when there's a weapon you can only swipe for that's twice as good as anything else, it's a simple case. But what if you can grind for 2000 hours and get it? What with 1000? Or 50? Let's not go there because with legislation you damn well know we will.

The key is for these kinds of monetisation to be unrewarding, meaning no one actually buys into them. So it will absolutely never fucking ever happen.

>>16453152

How long have you been a faggot?

>>16452690

>>Make it so every game needs to have a currency system that can only be purchased in $15 - $20 increments.

<Meme Citizen releases

<can still buy ships

<MS Paint Coolshipname Parts: $17.99 (240 required to build ship)

Yes, ban it gashashit death in murica would be amazing to witness.

>>16451055

Here's how regulation plays out:

1. "good guy" faggots set up a regulatory body on taxpayer money (retards cheer)

2. good guy fags fuck off to save the world somewhere else

3. those being regulated stay and scheme and take over the regulatory body through whatever means they can

4. regulatory body now serves the interests of those it was formed to keep in line (still takes your tax dollars though)

5. retards wonder why everything is still shit

>>16450811

BASED corporations that abuse their employees

>>16453377

>give an idiot/child a gun

>be surprised when they shoot themselves

now the question is do you punish the gun manufacturer, or the person who gave the idiot the gun?

>>16453385

You don't punish anyone, you blame the idiot/child because he shot himself with a gun.

>>16453169

>Got no argument so just call him a faggot

>>16452360

Imagine if you had to get a visa to go to your neighbouring state

>>16453079

>Kill all X

>Subjugate all X

<But I don't want to be the one to do it all, have the goverment do all the dirty work for me because I rather be in my bubble telling others how to run a country

>>16453422

>thinking states and nations work the same

>doesn't know that is literally what the EU allows

>>16453447

Unless you want the goverment to kick down everyone's doors and intrude in private business in order to remove any undesirables, you might want to keep more social issues to the common man. You fucking goverment baby.

>>16453467

>it's okay for degenerates to run amok

Don't put words in my mouth faggot, all you want is the goverment spying on all of us, you're probably one of those faggots who is like "I have nothing to hide, therefore I'm okay with the goverment intruding in my private life". How about you rely on something more than the goverment to keep your streets clean, like, oh I don't know, some fucking responsability from your part?

>>16453479

>>16453484

>lolberg

I'm not a lolberg, I'm a nationalist, and I'm seeing a shitload of hypocrisy, the same people that complain about shit like the NSA spying on us, now turning around saying that spying on the population is fine because of the few pedos that might get caught diddling kids. I hope you like having your shit searched by underpaid and overworked goverment agents, faggot. Want to live under the constant surveliance of the goverment like a good little lab rat? Be my guest, tool.

>>16453505

>So the common citizens would have the same human and material resources, as well as the administrative capacity and, most importantly, the authority, to remove degenerates just as well as the government?

Do you rather disarm the local population? Of course you would, easier to control that way, am i right?

>>16453508

>Would rather waste resources hunting down a bunch of cock monglers on the internet rather than pedos

I'm sure that's a great invesment of our tax dollars right there, if you at least told me that all that surveliance was for pedos, drug dealers, criminals, I'd still disagree but i'd see your point for increased surveliance, however this is your big idea, sacrificing the privacy of every citizen over the 3% of the population that likes to play with dicks.

>>16453540

There's already honeypots in place, perhaps not for leftists, there should be. Now when it comes to warrants, that's fine as well. But i seems you're backpedaling quite hard, since what this whole argument is about is "How much power should the goverment be given to go after degenerates" Not criminals, but people who are deviant in some capacity. It's my belief that the only way of hunting them down would include intruding in the rights of citizens, as how would you root out any homos at a community without intruding onto their rights

>>16453539

The issue is the fact we're nt discussing clear cut dangers like pedos, criminals, niggers, kikes, but faggots who in my opinion are much less concerning and harder to filter out without intruding into people's lives.

>>16450556

gambling should be legal but shunned

>>16453576

>A government should be led by a man who has absolute power. Anything short of that leads to stagnation.

And once that man dies? What then? Not to mention, what if that man is incapable, what if his beliefs differ from yours in many ways and sees YOU as the degenerate? To leave the fate of an entire country on one man, that's a huge risk, and only few can actually take on that task, so what are you gonna do, wait until said man falls from the sky?

>Punishable by death

This is what I'm talking about, devaluing human life to one's sexuality I find morally repugnant, same with much of the degeneracy around us, I am not willing to stoop as low as that, when there are far more reasonable solutions like therapy and drugs, and if needed, mental asylums.

>>16453577

>The fact you're actually saying they're simply "deviants" just shows you're a subversive just like them.

So what do you want me to call them? Devils from hell? Are you one of those that has their head so far up their ass that if someone has a ever so slightly point of view they're the enemy?

>Governments in the past hunted them down without having to intrude into the rights of citizens.

I'm gonna need proof on that

>faggots arne't as bad as pedos or kikes

some fag sucking dick as bad as raping a child, or subvering a whole race of people? faggot

>>16453447

>he doesnt have his own gun to protect his house and not use the (((police)))

>he doesnt have his own petrolium raffinery station to make his own gas and run his car and not use (((gas stations)))

>he doesnt have a well in his garden to protect his house from fire and not use (((fire fighters)))

look at this gov manbaby here.

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>>16453658

can you stop derailing the thread with your muh degenerates and muh lolbertarian vs guvmint crap?

>>16453676

Thats literally on fucking topic.

Someone really doesn't want this thread to be about companies abusing legal loopholes and blatantly laundering money electronically.

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>>16453680

it started on topic, then it went off on tangents (went from how to address kikery and gambling in video games to who should purge faggots, degenerates, and pedos, state vs private law enforcement and vigilante groups, surveillance to stop criminals/degenerates being worth it).

>>16453881

No, it's just one guy spamming while your dumb ass keeps giving him (you)s.

>gobmn't can fix it

<the thread

fuck you guys go back to reddit. the government never does shit for people, only lobbyists, every law passed is designed to fuck the regular people. it doesn't matter what aspect of life your talking about.

Yes.

The government already bans loli and shit, might as well ban this shit.

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>>16452576

Reminds me that a friend I once had said he once stole his dad's credit card and racked up a huge bill donating to camwhores. Not sure how he thought that was a good idea, besides claiming he was dropped as a toddler, but either way he got the belt hard.

No. Banning things is bad. But since lootboxes are basically gambling it should automatically rate the game as 18+ for adults only. Not that it matters to normal people, but it might scare publishers.

>>16453994

Remind me of that webm where a guy beats his son with a hammer over money he stole.

>>16450556

I don't think it should be banned. It's a scummy practice and anyone that buys them is retarded, but no one's twisting your wrist. I can't think of a game that heavily uses them that isn't trash anyway.

Plus, I really doubt governments would stop at microtransactions if they start regulating what can and can't be in vidya. If you think the [current year] shit is bad now, wait until it's mandated by law.

>>16455030

>since lootboxes are basically gambling it should automatically rate the game as 18+ for adults only

This seems like the most reasonable solution I've seen so far.

>>16452690

>group who's growing up with f2p app games on their phones/ipads being the norm for them they'll think this type of monetization is normal

To be honest, all this microtransaction and monetization bullshit had the opposite effect on me: whenever I stumbled upon a F2P pay-to-win game (e.g. Gunbound), I'd never spend a dime. I'd just save whatever scraps of F2P currency I could procure til I could afford something. Because why waste money on digital "goods" when you could use it to buy another game to play.

>>16455258

Well, why waste the time to grind that currency when you can just play a game you already own or an actually free one instead?

>>16455269

peer pressure. it was the FOTM online game when it came out at local computer cafes and everyone played it. same shit with Mu Online and Lineage 2 (private servers of course).

those games quickly made me realize me that cash shops, gachashit especially, are crap made to nickel and dime players.

>>16455030

Nice solution that publishers would probably only go for if they have no other choice. Little kids and adults with no restraint are the biggest whale demographics for stuff like this.

>>16452634

>Hitler only invaded Poland and Czechoslovakia to get stolen territory, inhabited by Germans, back

>Czechoslovakia

>After he got the Sudeten

The First Vienna award was a mistake and turned all of Europe against Germany. He had the German-majority Sudeten but annexing Prague and Bohemia was obvious landgrab to get the large industrial base within that country. With that Poland, which was friendly to Germany due to having a war in the early 1920's against the USSR, prior turned away fearing they would be split up like the Czechs. Hitler's economic model was fucking fantastic though and he recovered Germany from great-depression tier to world-superpower in 6 years. It really has never been done in history how well Hitler mobilized a totally defeated country in one that it took the entire world to stop but his foreign policy to Czechoslovakia was a major turning point in other countries' fascist parties, especially Britain's, since before Hitler said he was only recovering German lands which people sympathised with but annexing the Czechs wasn't popular.

>it's still trying to derail this thread into being about nazis

>>16458001

>Well, lootboxes weren't always gambling. But the second some genius got the idea that people should be able to sell and trade their lootbox items, it became gambling.

That's stupid.

By definition "Gambling is the wagering of money or something of value (referred to as "the stakes") on an event with an uncertain outcome".

Lootboxes were always gambling. It always used the addictive factor to trick people into buying them repeatedly just like gambling. If it's just a simulation with no ties to the real world, it's simulated gambling, if you use real world money in any way it's e-gambling.

Saying that e-gambling should only be outlawed if you can get money out of it is fucking stupid, because you're not condemning the kike behavior that is the psychological drug to get money from retards, you're saying that it's bad to actually win money in this situation.

>>16457984

How often do you fantasize about sucking John Maynard Keynes’ cock, you fucking paid shill?

>>16453676

>can you stop talking about the topic of the thread

>>>/reddit/

>>16458021

Thing is that virtual goods are most definitely a thing and kikes say that technically you do always win something when you open a lootbox. Even if that something is the "consolation prize" it still has value compared to not winning anything and you "won". In your example it wouldn't be a casino, it would be a machine that dispenses toys at random but it has a market completely separate from the toy machine, and each toy has a different value. It's a shitty fucking practice that takes advantage of people who are weak to gambling, and to me and everyone with common sense it is gambling, but in jew law language it's not gambling, the same way the Japanese used pachinko to sidestep gambling laws, and hopefully it's going to get banned like pachinko soon.

>>16458001

whether you can trade or sell what you got it's still gambling: you pour real-world money into a game of chance. Whether you can sell or trade your 'loot' for real-world money doesn't change the facts.

>>16458015

>state police vs vigilantes/armed militia, gubmint surveillance and gubmint hunting trannies and pedos are the topic of this thread

>>16458045

But you are still technically operating at a net loss if the item received is not equivalent of the money expended. However there is absolutely no laws or regulations dictating the worth of an asset.

I'm pretty sure there are laws preventing you from selling an ordinary knife for 500k burgershekels. If take a game and calculate the the amount of assets, the general time it takes to produce said asset, the amount of supposed skill required and then factor that into the final cost of the game and find out what is the monetary worth of individual assets in games I'm pretty sure the assets you get from microtransaction would be revealed to have a bloated prize probably beyond 10 000%.

My point is that if you don't equate these assets into some market place that you can earn real money for then their worth should be dictated by what I previously said. So either its straight up gambling with real money or its a ridiculously overpriced product that quite often you could repeatedly receive aka be worthless.

At the end of the day I don't care how much money stooges loose, I care for corporation to not have this automatic money generator that they don't use to progress the medium but in fact only worsen it.

Keep a tally on how often "you're a nazi/communist/whateverpleasefallforsomefalsedichotmy if you want the government to enforce an existing law on massive multibillion corporations" shows up in desperation to get people against this. It's a very obvious and tired script.

>>16458081

Well that goes out the window when virtual goods are introduced. Suddenly the costs of production are almost insignificant and if you're able to sell to people at a decent number for a tiny cost you're still going to make money.

You could legally start selling knives for 500k bucks each, but you're probably not going to make a lot of money because why would people buy from you unless there are other companies that sell knives of equal quality for less money, and if you are the only person selling knives or several companies collude to artificially increase knife price then yes there are laws against that.

Now the value issue is very very complicated since it's subjective and basically philosophical in nature, and it could be manipulated by (((greedy people))) with a lot of ease since then you'd have to start grading people or studios based on development skill level and oh boy I wonder who gets to decide that: a group of people with morals, knowledge and experience who can accurately appraise videogames or the typical bunch of morally bankrupt idiots with degrees in PhDs in game design and literature. It's way better to keep value a completely subjective characteristic than having to deal with the possible alternatives.

Rest of my post aside, yeah, lootboxes are gambling and a reprehensible tactic but they're getting away due to a technicality same way the Japanese got away with pachinko, the consolation prizes are technically still goods albeit virtual and with very little value and unless we get the law involved they're never going to stop.

>>16458081

>I'm pretty sure there are laws preventing you from selling an ordinary knife for 500k burgershekels.

There is not

>>16458182

Well I mean, it's not really a law, anywhere?

How do you think colleges can charge so much for actually worthless courses?

>>16458184

Quality of education is way more abstract than quality of a fixed sink or quality of a knife.

>>16458191

Yeah, but you know, there's internal documents from the (pre) obama era whitehouse to try to trick everyone they could through college to create an artificial flood of applicants in order to get people stuck in debt and requiring government assistance.

>>16458262

Also literally anyone that took an economics class in highschool could tell you the objective worthlessness of a college degree in 2012-2019

Of course not. Gambling in general shouldn't be banned; if you, as a grown man, want to throw your money away on a cosmetic slot machine, I don't give a shit, it's your time/money to waste.

>but what about children?

This is mostly a red herring because all it would accomplish is a little pop-up asking to confirm your age before you buy loot boxes. Age restrictions won't stop kids from doing it any more than it stops them from watching porn, and the only way around this is for parents to keep better control over their money.

>but what about paying to win?

Adequately dealt with by consumers. Most loot boxes (e.g. Overwatch) are cosmetic exactly because people universally hate P2W loot boxes, and publishers already can't get away with going that route. The only way I would even consider banning the practice is if this changes and we actually start seeing widespread P2W systems.

They have set up this nanny state, yet have nothing but vice for the chillems. I say kill every last yid.

>>16458324

>I don't care that they're wasting their money

You should care that their inability to spend money wisely impacts what you might want to play though.

>saying it should be allowed BY equating it with gambling

That argument in itself raises its own set of problems because gambling isn't even consistently legal across countries/states. Hell even if you say "well then make it so lootboxes can only be sold where gambling is legal" then that's going to be a hit to the business model. Also the children thing would mean that the publisher shouldn't then get away with throwing a lenient age restriction on the box cover, which would impact game sales.

>Pay to win is adequately dealt with by consumers.

No it isn't. There's plenty of instances where consumers have let a pay to win aspect of the game slide. Card games are the most glaring example of this.

>>16458324

>This is mostly a red herring because all it would accomplish is a little pop-up asking to confirm your age before you buy loot boxes. Age restrictions won't stop kids from doing it any more than it stops them from watching porn, and the only way around this is for parents to keep better control over their money.

You say that, but that means that if gambling is only legal for 18+, the game would receive an 18+ rating. Currently devs try to censor games down to M rating because that's the sweet spot. Many retailers don't sell 18+ games and even some soccer moms wouldn't buy games with a 18+ ratings, depite buying M ratings for their 5 YO kids.

It'd be bad for kike devs.

>>16458461

>Currently devs try to censor games down to M rating because that's the sweet spot

More like they're trying to change what a M rating even entails.

>full blown nudity, swearing and interracial sex in a western game

>M, safe for kids

>a single instance of visible hip bones in a Japanese game

>clamp down on that shit harder than the feds going after human traffickers

>>16450946

A gas station selling tobacco doesn't bother anyone else. On other hand by making microtransaction filled games publishers and developers are foregoing standard games without microtransactions. Plus, when you buy tobacco you have to be a certain age to legally buy it. Gambling is the same way, but publishers and developers are already breaking that law by allowing minors to gamble. At the very least that needs to be cracked down on and will probably result in companies pulling back as their games would by law require someone to be 21 to purchase and play them. I doubt many companies would want that stigma attached to their game.

>>16450783

You misunderstand, I don't give a fuck about the gamblers which is why this needs to banned. Companies will no longer tarnish video games by throwing this crap onto the titles.

>>16450775

>you will never work 16 hour shifts every day, including weekends and holidays

>>16458604

> Also most places can't afford to pay you to work 112 hours a week retard.

Yes they can, they just have to hire less people.

>>16458698

>implying

Less workers means less work done. Making them work longer wouldn't do shit and would eventually lead companies to bankruptcy.

>>16458698

Less niggers and pajeets*. Of course, they'd do it regardless because corporations are infiltrated by the same marxists shitting up the government. Any sort of feuding is just a power struggle, not an ideological one.

>>16458733

No it doesn't. Three consecutive eight hour shifts or two consecutive twelve hour shifts both lead to twenty-four hours of work being done. Ignoring the differences between employees and their quality of work as either system will have that issue. Arguably the two shifts of twelve hours is better because you can drop the worst employee from the three shifts of eight hours, but then you get into potential of overwork and your employees may become less productive after X time. The 40 hour work week and forced overtime pay prevent this from really being a concern though.

>>16450775

Does Rick Berman pay you by the hour or by the post?

>>16458809

Emotional fatigue is a thing though.

Studies have shown that your body is completely fine after 12 hours of work, your brain is fucking tired though, and that'll lead to a decrease in performance regardless.

Huge hours and overtime won't fix your workers doing a shit job because they just want to go home.

>>16450806

>The question is if lootboxes are regulated then how does one prevent "thuh chilluns" from playing games with legal gambling outside of ID scanning per log in?

> ID scanning per log in?

What is wrong with that? Nothing. If you want to run online casino take the consequences.

Or you can just not put gambling into your games (unthinkable! noooooooooo!).

>>16460171

Reminder UK wank pass exists.

I just thought of something. What if US law requires that all cash transactions yo buy virtual currency, cash (voucher) in a virtual wallet, and virtual items require state ID or a passport number to purchase because virtual items can be gambled. Since real money is used to buy these items to gamble with it makes sense that virtual items bought with money is treated as the equivalent to a stake with monetary value like stocks and property.

>>16453277

Sometimes it's better to do nothing than to to do something that ends up killing the patient twice as badly as the problem you had in the first place.

Also, tipping off the normalfags to the scummyness of it all is hardly "doing nothing"

>>16450556

loot boxes are horsearmor-tier cancer of the highest order thats allowed since the consequences of loot boxes in gameplay are mostly moot, however normal fags deserve to have their money taken

This won't save AAA, but government could ruin niche games. Paying for random non-monetary prizes isn't the same as paying for random money rewards. Best case scenerio I see is this makes gaming safer for normalfags, worst it eliminates the competition of AAA while regulating everything into a boring mess.

>>16466603

>government could ruin niche games.

not if it's simply about applying the fucking gambling rules to kids toys. you can still sell shit, you just can't randomize it (too much), and let's be honest here the only reason it's randomized in the first place is because people are stupid and buy it in such an amount to make it worthwhile for companies (instead of demanding a direct sales which would be cheaper), anyone with common sense knows the only one winning with that is the company

>>16450761

The culprit is the Internet, without which you couldn't pay the microtransactions in the first place.

The lobbyist are being deployed to counter the bill.

>>16467241

>2K

That's a company that doesn't get nearly as much shit as it deserves despite being just as bad if not worse than the others. I guess not having your own E3 conference puts you under the normalfaggot radar.

>>16467032

Well I guess those are not AS bad as "click to buy a life" which is only possible through online.

>>16465160

Find a judge who would actually support this.

>>16467742

Or rather, claim to be a neonazi and support the polar opposite to trick them into doing what you actually want.

>>16466967

>not if it's simply about applying the fucking gambling rules to kids toys

If they only do this then that would be the best case scenario I mentioned. Worst case involves more and more regulation than this with feminists and other shitters in control of government. We will probably get the latter anyway eventually though, so maybe it doesn't matter if they do this.

I personally am not likely to benefit from this since I don't play normalfag games anymore. The risk, however small, that this involves snowballing regulation concerns me more.

Loot boxes should have never existed, they're cancer so yes. Microtransactions is a combo issues of devs being kikes and incapable of making a complete game the upshot however is the same yes they should be banned.

Not that any of this effects me as I stopped buying games a long time ago.

>>16467892

By 'banned' I don't mean by any governement, I mean they should never even be thought of by any dev, there should be a set of internal rules within games companies that prevent this kind of shit from being created.

>>16450556

The government shouldn't intervene, people should. Legally (in murrikka anyway) corporations are considered to be individuals. That is, a corporation of 1,000 people is considered to be a single human being legally. This lets them get away with all kinds of bullshit.

It also means that, as a society, we should beat the shit out of every employee of a company when the company does something bad. Keep them in line with social pressure and fist pressure.

Alternatively, every employee of a company should go to prison when a CEO does something illegal, or they should just multi-tax corporations to oblivion because fuck the world.

>>16458495

>but publishers and developers are already breaking that law by allowing minors to gamble

How? Children do not have a means to purchase their parents have to be involved. this comes down to parental responsibility. As long as you retarded faggots jump on dumb laws like this everyone will continue to lose liberty and rights enjoyed by previous generations because you are too stupid to take care of your own business instead of worrying about someone else's business.

>>16468035

Yeah we sure wouldn't want to lose the right for gambling addicts to be exploited by giant corporations.

>>16466701

>the PCFAG act

nigger if this is real this is beyond any clown world shit

>>16450556

I don't like them but you don't need the government to baby sit you.

t.britbong

nanny states suck

Shit's only going to get worse before it ever gets any better. I don't trust man to do what's necessary, but at least government will do the shit no morally inclined man will have the courage to go through with. Fuck it, fuck everything. Burn it all.

All advertising should be banned.

Fucking all of it.

It could be a pretty simple law, but we all know it would never be.

>Any game intended for children (anyone younger than 18) cannot have randomized lootboxes as it is gambling.

>Any micro transactions that do occur must be for cosmetic items only.

>Any item purchased with real money, must be obtainable in the game itself. In a reasonable amount of time. IE a 1 dollar item must not take a week of grinding to obtain, more like 10 minutes.

>Refunds must be honored within a two week period.

>No single micro transaction can exceed 1% of the game's original price at launch, for the base version of the game. It's a MICRO transaction.

>>16469021

It could be even simpler. Parents must take personal responsibility for raising their children.

>>16468654

It is absolutely real. Don't know why I didn't link to it in that post, I guess I assumed someone would go digging for it based on name. https://www.hawley.senate.gov/senator-hawley-introduce-legislation-banning-manipulative-video-game-features-aimed-children Note the senate.gov address.

I know it's due to autism or something, but it's weird to see arguments like >>16469044. The depths to which society has fallen aside, you're going to need the government to take care of the results of shitty parenting. The most realistically possible "small government" would have to. In this case, here's why doing so is good. Companies, big and small, are going to make games that will make the most profit. This means if a monetization scheme can be applied to their game that takes low costs (development time, talent for assets and originality, hardware) and high revenue, they will use one that is proven as such and available to them. Lootboxes clearly fit the bill. Unless you can change one of those two things, more companies will put lootboxes in more games. Therefore, your choices are to suffer yet another cancer, rage against the market forces of children with dumbass parents and the grown-up versions of those children, or use the state to limit the availability of this form of monetization. I saw a couple claims in this thread that lootboxes were on their way out, but I have no idea why they would think that. EA only doubled down on that shit when the Netherlands first had a similar bill. In absence of evidence for a reversal of market trends, the choice is clear.

>>16469021

The company is liable for the monetary value they have received from the player if they end the player's ability to continue using their purchase.

>>16467558

>what is arcades

>>16469564

I still think normalfags deserve to get jewed over though, I mean what faggot pays money for a shitty rainbow vomit colored paintjob for a virtual gun?

>>16470724

or horse armor

>>16470724

An intern on an illicit contract to use up all the money put on a green dot card by their boss's child trafficking operation.

>>16469564

>The depths to which society has fallen aside, you're going to need the government to take care of the results of shitty parenting.

Yeah the same way they take care of loli drawings toss it in vague obscenity laws and let the prosecuter/jury/judge decide if they are a pedo or no real child no crime. Maybe you missed the whole rubber stamped fiza warrants used on the president. If they will do that to the president they will not think twice about fucking nobodies over. The government promised not to abuse that court and did right in front of us all. Maybe you recall that time NSA data collection resulted in local police making arrests then when pressed in court by the defense to produce the source of the evidence the case is dropped because it turns out it was nsa collected and illegally turned over to local authorities. How you retards can continue to trust people to protect you is the greatest fucking mystery of the universe.

>>16470724

>oink oink, who cares what the whales are used to subsidize directly against your personal interests waste their money on.

Shill farms must buy you guys by the bucket

In my opinion, this won't solve the issue whatsoever. Its too late.

The corporate culture has changed and the gaming culture has changed. Its the same problem as with the ideas who think they can legislate away forcing people to make cakes.

Why would a fag want a person that hates them making their cakes, and why would a consumer want a corporation that sees them as shit making their games?

This won't magically put the horses back into the stable.

They will just find new ways of depriving morons with no self-control from their money.

>>16470896

You can't government away deep societal flaws. And this is from a person who hates all F2P models of gameplay (Oh boy its either grindarama or splurg cash).

Peoples tastes are too shit. They WANT shit more then they want quality at this point. All that's gonna happen is that whales will look for a new fix and companies will find a new way to give them it.

It could only be fixed by fixing the whales.

>>16470939

>>16470944

Putting even a light penalty on this shit would probably scare tons of retards into not doing it as they are reliant on peer pressure. It would not, however, kill lootboxes because that shit is guaranteed a money laundering scheme. If publishers actually needed to guarantee this shit was legal proof before doing so they'd have already done it.

>>16470956

Governments are not robots. They are run by people.

Here is the thing: I hate loot boxes. I hate F2P models. I hate most modern games and I really hate the people that defend these monetization structures. Like just when this stuff was starting I gave Plants V Zombies 2 a whirl and followed advice to spend an equivalent amount of money I spent on Plants V Zombies 1. The gameplay result was completely different. Plants V Zombies 1 had a fun gameplay curve and a steady input of new content.

Plants V Zombies 2 wanted to waste my time as much as possible until I felt I had no other choice but to buy their shit. Ever since then I have stayed away from all such games on principle. Even Magic Cards.

And I mean I suppose yes the government can correct behaviours depending on how hard it slams people. I don't want to promote even more government dependency because the government changes.

The people sitting day in and day out to make more money and to warp the laws will be lobbyists. They have the time and reason and money to devote more time and lawyers into this than anybody else.

Like today maybe you will give EA a rap on the knuckles because of no loot boxes. But tomorrow suddenly legislation exists that makes competition nigh impossible, and EA becomes the ONLY game in town.

>>16470981

>Governments are not robots. They are run by people.

What part of "if they wanted to" is too hard for you to understand?

>>16470985

>What part of "if they wanted to" is too hard for you to understand?

What part of "And People Change" do you not understand? Rockafeller made more of his money AFTER trust busting. Not before it.

Honestly, I would prefer awareness campaigns. Those things have a much stronger impact and corporations have a much harder time dealing with those sorts of things.

Awareness campaigns stopped drunk driving and are cutting down smoking, much more then bans ever did.

TV adds for stupid parents and stupid kids and big stupid labels should do the trick and should sway public perception.

>>16450556

EA used and abused the lootboxes

"pay shekels for a chance to win an item in a rigged system"

they should be banned immediately

microtransactions on the other hand can stay

they are actual content that you know you are getting

>>16471048

Define content.

>>16468874

>All advertising should be banned.

you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. ads can serve a useful a purpose (emphasis on can, since ads are usually "buy my shit" rather than "find what you need").

For example an of the latter, you're looking for a mouse and your computer store's website runs an ad for quality mice with "flawless sensors" (no jitter, no angle-snapping, no acceleration, no axis asymmetry, etc.), I don't see too much of an issue as long as what is advertised is true and full specs are listed on the page, including tracking speed, buttons, skates, etc. (instead of buzzwords like ultimate pro gaymurr endorsed RGB marketing crap).

>>16469689

>>arcades

they're vastly different. plenty of mobileshit uses lives/energy for each stage/level regardless of outcome and require you to either wait for more or pay up. arcades let you play until you lose (or you complete the game, if it doesn't loop), except for rhythm games.

>>16470944

>You can't government away deep societal flaws

no, but you can get rid of unhealthy practices that harm society. or are you gonna tell me next that all the bullshit in EULAs (class action waiver, binding arbitration clauses, "we can revoke your license at our discretion for any reason," etc.) is A-OK and we have to swallow it?

>>16471120

>Even specifically for gaming, as legal restrictions on slot machines and similar devices forced the industry to create pinball as a game of skill

Yes Truly Pinball was made to compete with fucking SLOT machines.

Hey Dipshit the government OUTLAWED Pinball machines for a while because they THOUGHT it was gambling: https://www.history.com/news/that-time-america-outlawed-pinball

So the government almost KILLED gaming altogether.

>>16471215

>no, but you can get rid of unhealthy practices that harm society.

Give em an inch they will take a mile. Anyway, even when it comes to this I argue for awareness campaigns. They reach the people that can be reached and then peer pressure does the work next.

I think that they should be, because the market isn't self regulating. It isn't a thing any of the consumers WANT, but because it's the only thing that producers offer, the consumer is FORCED to accept it, or accept nothing, and someone will always want something, over nothing. This is for loot boxes. I do not like the idea of invisible slot machines dolling out non-transferable digital goods. It's like a if I was opening baseball card packs, and the moment I wanted to give the card to someone else, it instantly self destructs. I'm locked with this digital good forever, and there's no way to exchange for my friends. It's purely reducing the odds, of giving an item people want, to the person that wants it. And a thousand other points people have gone over in this thread.

One of my big bug bears is that I want them to outlaw in-game premium currency. I am sick of all this "You've got Gems, Shards, and Gold! Gold is 100 gold for a dollar, but if you spend 10 dollars you get 1100 gold!" kind of shit. IF you're going to have a redeemable ingame currency, that is fine. You need an economy in games. Make it so EVERYTHING is purchasable with that, OR that most items are, but if you have content added later, you can charge money for THOSE. But have them be valued in real world dollars. No more of this second/tertiary cash. All that is for is so that players have to buy your extra currency, then spend SOME of it on their desired item, come back in a month or two, see they still have 320 premium left, and oh darn, that item they want is ONLY 80 more, they'll just have to spend that extra dollar. That constant, cycling so you have just a little left over, or need just a little more. It's disgusting, and one of the major things that needs to be changed. Not because it's gambling, but because it's a disgusting psychological trap, and shouldn't have been implemented in the first place. GREAT way to fleece money off of people, horrible way to treat the consumer.

I like how the go to defense of this is that plebs deserve to get fucked over as if that and big multinational jewish corporations can't both get fucked.

>>16474359

>invisible slot machines dolling out non-transferable digital goods

The problem is you're paying money for a chance to unlock something. Who gives a fuck whether you can trade it afterwards? Though I'd rather microtransactions stop being a thing altogether, because not only do they milk players with them, but said content disappears once the servers go down.

>trading

>redeemable in-game currency

That would open the door to real-money trade (trade loot with others for money/trade for ingame currency then redeem it), which would put publishers in even hotter water.

>>16474359

>companies force you to buy their shitty products at gunpoint

The real problem is people aren't educating their fucking kids to not do that kind of shit. It's a much bigger problem than just asking for guberment to nanny your retarded ass.

>still reading its script even though nobody is buying it

>>16474493

Isn't it funny how they never cry about government intervention when it's them spending hundreds of millions of tax payer money per year to give grants to game companies?

>>16474508

Who the fuck is "they"

>>>/v/16474512

Now that's some desperate deflection attempt. Notice the goontwitter punctuation too.

>>16474518

I don't defend government intervention whether it's benefitial or detrimental to my interests because I'm not a fucking hypocrite. That's why I asked who were you talking about.

>>16474532

>which notes the introduction of flippers and bumpers changed it into a game of skill, specifically to move the industry out from under government crackdowns on gambling.

Err no it didn't. In fact it notes that even original pinball was proven to be a game of skill by Roger Sharpe.

>>16474532

Pretty much with agree with this guy.

The general pattern of history is as follows:

>Ask the government to fix something

>Has completely unexpected side effects that make it worse

>Complain about the side effects.

But whatever. Short term panicy moronic thinking is a general trend of humanity.

And there it goes, hopping onto it's other ID.

>>16474453

>we don't need laws against murder, just educate people to not be psychopaths!