562bed No.16447219
>Beaten Sekiro into NG++++
>Just need 11 skill points left
>Beaten all the hardest bosses
>Found every secret
>My last thing to do in this experience is grind mobs for xp like a fucking mmorpg
As a completionist i think the hardest challenges should be designed to be the last thing you do to get the equivalent of the 'Platinum Trophy' in whatever version you play so you end with this satisfying feeling of completion and not some 'thank god its over' monotony.
Still being the easiest Fromsoft game helps. I can easily finish a run now in about 2 and a half hours with no deaths. Cannot understand why turbo casuals have a problem with stuff like Lady Butterfly or Genichiro.
52241e No.16447225
Still laughing at how some disabled guy shamed the journos by playing better then most able bodied people.
5a0d63 No.16447228
>>16447225
Was it the corrupted monk boss? Too bad that boss can be cheesed like hell which most of the bosses can be.
562bed No.16447230
>>16447225
I firmly believe its because the game stops before the first two deathblow enemy to load a window explaining how the fights are about that posture bar and not hp and casuals go "yeahyeahyeahyeahyeahwhatevergogogogoggoo" and skip it to "get to the action" and get hardcore bodied.
Oh PS4 they give stats for the trophies and only like 38% of people got past the 3rd boss.
b2347d No.16447258
>>16447219
>As a completionist low-functioning assburger with no standards
You should probably kill yourself.
d91c09 No.16447259
I'm conflicted about the bosses, should they fix the cheese or not? I'm the kind of guy that doesn't like to restraint himself to make things more challenging but at the same time going for the easy way is shooting myself in the foot when it comes to my enjoyment. Not like it matters since i got all the endings already.
If anything i hope the DLC is harder.
>>16447230
Isn't that common? To have a small number of players actually play the game.
The amount of people that actually play the game to completion is surprisingly low.
caeca2 No.16447296
>>16447219
>My last thing to do in this experience is grind mobs for xp like a fucking mmorpg
It's not, just move on with your life.
caeca2 No.16447302
>>16447259
>Isn't that common?
Yes I remember Valve being very shocked that so few people actually finished Half Life and saw it as a reason to make games more easier. It's very common and not really a "problem" that needs to be "fixed", since making the game easier is not really going to increase this number much. Some people just buy a game and just don't play it. You'd think people would eventually stop buying games they don't play but they just keep doing it and I have no idea why.
24e5b3 No.16447321
I would like to fuck Emma
5fc67d No.16447330
>>16447219
>>16447296
This. I beat it, had fun, started NG+ and just dropped it halfway through. What do you gain by beating the same game over and over? You're not even trying to beat some records or get on the leaderboards, the story won't change, the combat is the same every time…
I mean if you have fun with it, go ahead, but when it becomes your life goal, you've got problems. No one will ever know about this or praise you for it.
688cbf No.16447332
>>16447219
>>Beaten Sekiro into NG++++
>>Just need 11 skill points left
This hurts.
562bed No.16447333
>>16447330
Demon's Souls start a trend of me of platinum'ing all the fromsoft games. i can't leave that pattern broken.
371763 No.16447341
You have more patience than me, I only did a few runs before I got bored.
43ef42 No.16447347
>>16447219
>Just need 11 skill points left
>My last thing to do in this experience is grind mobs for xp like a fucking mmorpg
for times like this that is good to use the cheat engine, use it find an exp multiplier, and complete this now instead of taking hours. you already prove you can beat the challanges so just make use the cheat engine to eliminate the grid and save time.
688cbf No.16447351
>>16447347
The level progression is just all messed up in this game. That's really the only bad thing about it.
371763 No.16447363
>>16447351
>the only bad thing
There is quite a lot that brings this game down. Immensely repetitive and samey, no weapon variety, tools and skills are borderline useless.
688cbf No.16447366
>>16447363
I mean that it's only really unforgivable problem with the game. The other issues are manageable.
be46b8 No.16447369
>>16447347
This is what I did after I got to NG+++. I had a few skills left for the Mushin arts and I could not be bothered grinding for hours to get the last couple.
3115c3 No.16447376
>>16447219
How can you stand to replay this game several times? The combat is so repetitive I had trouble doing it once.
000066 No.16447394
>>16447376
Just stop playing it then.
Can't wait to burn shit.
562bed No.16447406
>>16447376
It doesnt really have that much combat, with infinite run and a grapple its basically
>Start game
>Beat Genichiro
>Run from shrine to kill ogre
>Run from that to kill horse boss
>Run to bull, kill bull
>Run across roofs to beat Genichiro, again
>Run through dungeon and mount sengoku to beat dickhead on bridge
>Continue to monkey boss
>Go back to castle and go down pit and kill gunner lady in poison swamp then run through all of the mist area to kill the palace noble
>Then run through mibu village to kill the corrupt illusion
>Go back to castle and run through sunken valley to fight centpiede monk in gun fort
>Then run through the next area to get to the Headless Ape
>Go to castle dungeon and run back up the castle rooftops to fight owl
>Go to mibu again to get transported to the palace, fight the true monk on the bridge
>Run through to the dragon, beat the dragon and once again go back to the castle dungeon run through the zone to the reservoir, light that last bonfire and then kill genichiro and sword saint isshin.
Congrats you beat the game and only had to fight 16 enemies in the entire game without sequence breaking or glitches. Hard to do on NG with base health and posture but on NG+ with max and constantly increasing strength and the knowledge of every moveset and enemy? piss easy. Its literally just skill grinding that eats your time.
4a03e9 No.16447623
why is genichiro second form so much bullshit
30a484 No.16447675
>>16447363
>Immensely repetitive and samey
Not a problem if you like it which i did a lot
>tools and skills are borderline useless
Not true at all, there's something wrong with them sure but it has more to do with the emblems than the tools/skills themselves
>>16447623
Is it the very first time you're facing him?
10545d No.16447686
You can beat most of the beginning bosses including lady butterfly without buying any skills at all. I did, wasn't too hard either. I got up to the ashina reservoir revisited, and got stuck on the ashina seven spears miniboss. And the hardest was probably blazing bull.
fbbae2 No.16447701
>>16447686
I really do not understand how so many people have problems with the blazing bull, for me it was the most fun boss in the whole "Souls" games.
Just never lock-on and chase the bull like you're in cocaine, hell, even the horse guy had back kicks to stop you from doing this.
46262c No.16447717
>>16447333
>caring about cheevos
wasted trips
4a03e9 No.16447750
>>16447675
No. I can reliably get to second form every time, but it kicks my ass instantly as soon as he starts chaining dangerous attacks and lightning up my ass. I can't get the timing right for the lightning reversal and he's also faster and aggressive so it throws me off. I love everything about this game except genichiro's second form being so drastically different, I hope this doesn't become a pattern with later bosses.
922cb5 No.16447754
>Four endings.
>No content beyond beating it twice.
The only people still playing Seikiro are the autistic speed runners ,people who put far, far too much value into achievements and the losers who feel they have to beat every post-Demon Souls FromSoft game like it's a badge of honor made out of a bubblegum wrapper.
dad2e8 No.16447779
>>16447219
The grinding is very annoying, seems that even if you go through the game four times, mopping everything in the way, you still need to grind. The late points require far too much XP, it should cap at 50K and that's still a lot when there's no XP consumables. For me, the ideal thing would be adding the option to replay bosses at will with the 'Confront memory', kill two stones with one bird.
>>16447623
Mikiri the flying Stinger ; Floating Passage always ends with a somewhat delayed perilous thrust ; as before, jumping attack has three possible follow ups so dodge if you're not confident you can't counter ; grab as more range but it's also preceded by him moving to your left ; to counter the lightning, jump after the kanji disappears.
30a484 No.16447861
>>16447750
Try to master the lighting reversal that or just be really aggressive then it becomes fairly easy.
In the future there will be several bosses with new moves for each phase and it won't be the last you'll see of lighting attacks either.
>>16447779
>For me, the ideal thing would be adding the option to replay bosses at will with the 'Confront memory', kill two stones with one bird.
Absolutely, mre gomaes should have the option to re fight bosses once you beat them.
222a4c No.16447868
>>16447754
or you know liking the game. I'm on the third playthrough though. The weapon variety meme came from people wanting it to be a souls game. I played all of them, this game is not the same it's focused on mastering a type of aproach to battle not the souls mindset of having a wide pool of fighting styles with. Souls combat depth was tied to the weapon progression system. This one is about developing a rythm meaning it's method of main progression is kinetic instead of stat based. Though they're present just like skill was present on souls games the order is reversed though.
83b6f7 No.16447983
>>16447219
Here's your (((you)))
34007a No.16448001
0ea81b No.16448068
Dark Souls is the easiest From Soft game. This is way harder.
562bed No.16448077
>>16448068
Easiest to hardest: Demon's Souls>Sekiro>DS3>DS1>DS2:SotFS>BB:ToH
1ea016 No.16448111
>>16447219
>the easiest Fromsoft game helps
I think it's the hardest modern Fromsoft game for the first playthrough. Once you've learned every enemy's attack and parry timings you can breeze through it easy, but actually learning that shit is more effort than most people ever put into Souls.
>Cannot understand why turbo casuals have a problem with stuff like Lady Butterfly or Genichiro.
First attempt Genichiro and Lady Butterfly both took me multiple hours. By my second playthrough I could kill Genichiro in a couple minutes with so little risk I skipped the save point on my third. Lady Butterfly is a lot more inconsistent especially if you don't use the cheese AI lockdown, one of the few bossfights I can still die to. Part of that is because when I did her on NG I wasn't parrying, so I didn't get to spend 3 hours learning her move timings.
dad2e8 No.16448149
>>16447868
I played it four times and am taking a break now. I found the core gameplay to be very enjoyable and felt like it paid off to "play honest", got mopped hard in my first couple of runs but last I beat the game without triggering Dragonrot and breezed through most bosses except Owl Father, felt very rewarding to defeat bosses like the Corrupted Monk by reacting perfectly to all her perilous finishers.
That said, the game could have used a couple more months in the oven to iron out a few kinks and re-think a few things - multiple combat arts available at once, ninjutsu swap on the fly, give tools more uses, some pay off to NPC questlines, spice up NG+, some unlockables, not have as much goddamned useless shit items etc.
>>16448111 (checked)
>I think it's the hardest modern Fromsoft game for the first playthrough. Once you've learned every enemy's attack and parry timings you can breeze through it easy, but actually learning that shit is more effort than most people ever put into Souls.
My opinion as well. Starting with the Guardian Ape, practically every boss beat my ass like a ginger stepchild culminating in the final boss taking me close to 5h but the effects of gitting gud felt much more lasting as I now got everything figured while in games like BB I'm almost certainly going to get stuck on the Orphan and Laurence every time.
Gonna take the moment to shill a couple of jewtube playlists starting with the Fextralife Tool guides, short videos going through every tool and its upgrades, describing every use and some tricks that might go unnoticed like the Raven Feather teleport being triggerable at any time if you're poisoned.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyT5NcCVqdX9hZujLDB9cnOmZCtoaYkE2
Second is FightinCowboy's boss strategy videos, minutely detailed guides that start by going through every perilous and key attack and then pieces everything together.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7RtZMiaOk8hinPkypWahzXe4CsHv-1zq
4466dc No.16448153
I just beat it yesterday.
What I liked:
>Apparitions/Infested in general
They all had cool themes, great designs, and really sold the unnerving aspect of their designs with their jerky, unnatural, and sometimes awkwardly slow motions. The headless felt like something ripped out of a horror game and it felt great hunting them down.
>gittin gud
This felt like a game where getting good really trivialized a lot of bosses. In some of the Souls games I felt like I could walk into a boss room for the fiftieth time and still not be able to win. In Sekiro I could walk into the boss room on the third or fourth time knowing that, even if I didn't win, I'd be able to perfect the parry timings on at least one move to make it a non-issue when I walk in the fifth or sixth time. This led to some enemies becoming laughably easy once you had every parry down to muscle memory (Ministry ninjas, Genichiro) but it at least felt like I earned it.
What I didn't like:
>Resources
I went into the Isshin fight without any spirit emblems because I legit ran out of them from spamming mortal draw and the shurikens so much in previous fights. I don't mind the 15+ emblem limit per rest, but having to buy them at 50 sen a pop really adds up, and I don't like to grind.
>More resources
I mentioned I liked the Headless earlier, but what I didn't like was Divine Confetti. That shit was expensive and rare enough that, after using one and dying to the Headless on my first attempt, I didn't fight them again until the end of the game. In all honesty I can't even think of a good solution to this because not needing confetti to fight them would steal some of their thunder, but hoarding confetti early on means you'll be overpowered when you fight them later.
>The early game in general
I don't know why they put swarms of enemies in the very first areas of the game, while you're still grappling with controls. I guess in the end it does force you to learn to be patient and stealth kill everything in an arena before fighting the boss, but it makes the first areas stand out as harder that most of the areas halfway through and beyond.
I don't know what it is about the early game in Sekiro, but for the entirety of the Ashina Outskirts and Hirata Estate, all I could think about was how this game felt like some soulless B-tier Souls clone. That may have just been my salt running wild but I saw a lot of people feeling the same way at the beginning. I'm wondering if there was a better way to handle it, is all.
Good game and I'll be looking forward to the DLC. Worth a buy if you like FromSoft games, worth a pirate if you wanna see what everyone's talking about.
>My advice to new players
You will hate the game for the first 5-10 hours and internally complain that it's really shit compared to Dark Souls. Then you have an epiphany and realize it's actually pretty good. Stick with it, get good, and you might find yourself enjoying it more than you thought you would.
30a484 No.16448287
>>16448149
Fuck off with the shilling faggot The tools guides are good though, Sekiro's combat is deeper than most people give it credit for
>>16448153
You must be the first person that liked the headless, their aesthetic is pretty good though.
>Resources
>More resources
I felt the same at the very start of the game, but i quickly amassed a ton of stuff so it was never a problem, i don't mind grinding, usually i'd grind to the next level when i knew a boss fight was coming so i'd always face the boss with no money or exp to lose so by mid game i had hundreds of emblems and dozens of confetti and sugars, i'd still say that it's not well balanced but it wasn't a problem for me for the most part.
>Stick with it, get good, and you might find yourself enjoying it more than you thought you would.
I came out loving it and before that i was shitting on it since the last E3
584083 No.16448322
>>16448287
>resources
You can also grind the shit out of Mibu Village for emblems/XP, since by the time you get there you're strong enough to hit+mortal blow. It's honestly kind of therapeutic to just zip from mortal blow to mortal blow and abuse those iframes. Plus there's about 1000 enemies in that place, and they respawn from the ground in the same place over and over.
c70beb No.16448349
>>16448153
>You will hate the game for the first 5-10 hours and internally complain that it's really shit compared to Dark Souls.
See I had the exact opposite, I liked the game for the first 5 hours, then realized the combat never got any deeper than the shallow mess it was, and hated it the rest of the way.
Not to mention the story is fucking atrocious with a sequel hook as an ending. That shit's inexcusable, it's basically mocking the player saying "We're too big to fail, go fuck yourself"
93e489 No.16448356
>>16448111
Genichiro took me all day to beat. Lady butterfly was easy for me though.
93e489 No.16448367
>>16448287
Why use tools when most enemies die in a couple smacks after you have a few attack upgrades? Notable exception, the battle monk guys in the senpouji. Do any tools really come in handy for dealing with them?
a890b1 No.16448376
>>16447219
Sekiro taught me a secret I would have never realized otherwise.
boys make the cutest mikos
30a484 No.16448383
>>16448367
>Why use tools when most enemies die in a couple smacks after you have a few attack upgrades?
For the ones that don't die as easily, minibosses and bosses…
>the battle monk guys in the senpouji. Do any tools really come in handy for dealing with them?
Shouldn't the fan kill them like with the other monks? haven't tried it but i think it should
c70beb No.16448424
>>16448367
firecrackers work on basically every enemy. It's absurd how good they are. Everything else is situational at best, but fucking firecrackers give you anywhere from 2-5 free hits on basically everything, at worst they give you 1 free hit.
Shit they even work on bosses, true monk you get 5 hits off for each firecracker.
1ea016 No.16448428
>>16448356
Lady Butterfly was literally the first boss I fought, even before horsedude. At the time I was NOT comfortable with the idea of multi-parrying. I also noticed that if you parry certain attacks she immeditately comboes into more attacks, whereas there's an opening to counterattack if you block or dodge. Also she does basically no posture damage, so you can hold block the entire first phase and take no damage unless you get hit by a perilous.
When I first fought her I did so by holding block and counterattacking after like 3 specific moves. Stupid from the overall paradigm of the game, but like I said first boss. The problem is that since I spent multiple hours doing that, and NOT learning to parry, I still don't really know how to parry her.
562bed No.16448646
>>16448111
Did you play Nioh though? because there are early bosses in that which are just much harder versions of them in some regard and if you can beat them then doing it again with infinite stamina and block is a cakewalk.
4466dc No.16448649
Let's get this shit started:
>"confronting the memories of a past foe" doesn't involve you doing their boss fight again to prove the first time wasn't a fluke
562bed No.16448652
>>16448649
Yeah i think everyone expects that.
Everyone also goes "WHY THE FUCK DOES HIS HORSE ALSO FADE AWAY", you did, i did, we all did.
4a03e9 No.16448668
>>16447779
>Mikiri the flying Stinger ; Floating Passage always ends with a somewhat delayed perilous thrust
What the fuck are you even saying? All I understood was mikuri counter.
4a03e9 No.16448672
>>16448428
Once I figured out you have to be aggressive when fighting bosses, Lady Butterfly became real easy to kill. Basically you just bait an attack and then start parrying like a mad man to get that posture damage, just keep attacking every time you see an opening and in the case of lady butterfly, throw shurikens when she's jumping on the strings. She's really easy and it's only a drag because her second form forces you to avoid all the illusions.
562bed No.16448675
>>16448672
That and she literally attacks in 3's every single time.
c70beb No.16448676
>>16448672
you don't even have to do that, her AI is so braindead you can just dodge attack over and over and she'll loop and do nothing.
4a03e9 No.16448685
>>16448676
As a beginner it's better if you go in parrying, for practice and finally getting used to how the game is meant to be played. I cheesed the ogre and the drunk fat fuck by not parrying at all and just doing it dark souls style and it really fucked me when I got to later challenges.
c70beb No.16448693
>>16448685
I'll disagree mainly because it'll at least let you laugh at the bad AI rather than groan at having to play the awful combat.
4a03e9 No.16448703
>>16448693
The combat is certainly more fun than the Souls games.
c70beb No.16448704
>>16448703
It is, for the first 5 hours. Then you hit the depth ceiling, and go "oh wow this is boring as hell"
85e225 No.16448715
>>16448703
The combat is identical though.
93e489 No.16448726
>>16448715
No, Souls games are sluggish.
1ea016 No.16448731
>>16448646
Yes I played Nioh, I don't think I really parried much of anything in that game though, and besides, similar is not the same, especially when the core component is learning parry timings and tells.
85e225 No.16448732
>>16448726
Sure thing fireautist.
371763 No.16448751
>>16448349
Only one ending has a sequel hook but its not much of one. Also consider Miyazaki doesn't like doing sequels, so we likely won't see a Sekiro 2.
562bed No.16448791
>>16448751
I expect a Tomoe dlc and thats it.
c70beb No.16448823
>>16448791
that's way too much effort, at most I expect a bell charm, and you fight a reskinned lady butterfly named tomoe.
46262c No.16448824
>>16447219
>gay pic
Are faggot homos really implying that Wolf's platonic relationship with Lord Kuro is a homoerotic one? There is no ingame evidence to suggest those two harbor any romantic feelings for each other.
174ca1 No.16448827
e7ddc0 No.16448919
>>16448827
There is very little of it.
4c4b79 No.16448935
>>16448919
>Beauty mark on the left bosom
Is that cannon?
93e489 No.16448966
>>16448824
Kuro the miko is wolf's boi waifu, obviously. He wouldn't serve with so much dedication if he wasn't tapping that.
eac5e0 No.16449068
>>16448824
>>16448966
>not knowing about japans rich history of ritualized pedophilia homosexual relationships.
Oda Nobunaga, first of the three unifiers of Japan was betrayed because his betrayer, Akechi Mitsuhide, heard a rumor that he was planing on transferring his fief to Oda's nanshoku lover Mori Ranmaru. Nanshoku being a typically pedophilic relationship between an older man and a young boy page. Ranmaru is still held in high regard to this day, and referenced in fiction across mediums, he was even featured in Pokemon Conquest.
Pic related is him from the games.
Also it was A O K for the older male in the nanshoku relationship to seek women as the exclusivity of the relationship only applied to men.
38b4fa No.16449159
>>16449068
>implying Nobunaga was gay because some dude in 1999 believed he was
Nice projection, fagboi also Akechi betrayed Oda based on many different reasons, none of em implying that.
85e225 No.16449174
>>16449068
Everyone knows Nobu was a cute girl though.
39c701 No.16449192
It's understandable, i mean who could resist?
f7a578 No.16449228
>>16449068
>all these pics of ranmaru
>none featuring those legwarmers
you plebs know nothing
dad2e8 No.16450442
>>16448649
Ditto. I wish we could do that as many times as we wanted maybe get a XP item as a reward for subsequent victories.
>>16448668
Simply listing some of his most common patterns and how to deal with them. "Flying Stinger" is the move where he darts through the air with a perilous thrust (as in, Stinger move from DMC); Floating Passage is the 5-6 hit combo Genichiro does which you can also learn by buying the scroll from the pot noble at Hirata.
a57c0d No.16450660
>>16448823
I still say the DLC, which is very likely to happen considering the track record, will have Sekiro get an animal spirit attack/familiar in the same vein as Owl and Lady Butterfly.
>>16449068
>>16449192
Oda was a wise man to understand the appeal of shota.
30a484 No.16451152
>>16448649
Quite the lost opportunity
>>16448827
I want to see the Divine Child producing some rice
a78d4b No.16451174
Just got Platinum for Sekiro. Had to grind 10-12 hours for the skill achievement. Other than that it was a blast, great game and somehow I still want to keep playing into NG+7.
a78d4b No.16451186
>>16448111
Sekiro was definitely the hardest on the first playthrough, now on NG+6 it's a cakewalk. It had such a different movement and reaction system that trying to play it like Souls combat at first really had me for a hard time. When you get the timing on parries and air-deflect right it's very easy. Here's hoping for some delicious DLC.
562bed No.16451197
>>16451174
Just two 5 and 6 point skils left for me, i'm using the area around the flower viewing platform but its a fuckin' slog. Thank fuck i can throw on Best of the Worst.
a78d4b No.16451212
>>16451197
If you're at the end game, the best place to grind is at Ashina Outskirts Stairway idol, kill 5 soldiers and reset at idol. You get around 9000-13000 skill points in about 30 seconds depending on your NG level.
dad2e8 No.16451225
>>16451197
I personally use Ashina Outskirts Gateway after the Central Forces invade a lot of XP and you'll get most of them with their backs turned, plus you get a lot of materials and cash you don't need.
Flower Viewing is really good for practicing Lightning Reversal though.
562bed No.16451231
>>16451225
yeah it was my lightning training spot plus i ended up real low on fat or grave wax or something.
562bed No.16451377
>>16451197
3 and a half skill points left at 100,000xp per skill point and climbing.
I had to get 27 after running out of other things to do and in that time i go through this with
>5 episodes of Last podcast on the left
>4 Half in the Bag episodes
>6 best of the worst
>3 Steve1989 MRE reviews
>A movie of all the MGS4 cutscenes.
I think its safe to say the xp needs retuning.
562bed No.16451638
>>16451377
FUCKIN' FINALLY
Got my platinum and i've beaten everything, found everything and done every side quest. Overall a great game, easiest in the series due to infinite stamina and very generous parry mechanics but the good feels better than the bad.
The bad i think Ashina Castles tileset is exhausted, theres not enough enemy types, ninjutsu and none healing items to use in combat but for the good i liked the characters, the fluidity of combat and the verticality of levels and movement.
Its not their best game but its not a shitshow like DS3 or the arse end of DS1 when time ran out and you got legitimate unfinished shit like Lost Izalith and its lake of placeholder dragon butts. Overall i would recommend it but if you played souls games and were a turtling havelfag this game will wreck you.
2a4c88 No.16460072
>>16447228
you can cheese it though
sprint and grapple onto the tree on the right before she jumps on the bridge, then you can get an aerial deathblow.
You can do the same thing for the second phase.
2a4c88 No.16460084
>>16447219
I honestly just used cheats after I thought I'd done everything
I just wanted the Mushin skills
The XP grind is fucking atrocious I still don't understand why there isn't an outcry for this instead of the difficulty.
Might be because most people only play the game once.
ad197b No.16460150
>>16449159
Nobunaga was a cuck anyway. Thankfully based Tokugawa won.
688cbf No.16460169
>>16460072
>then you can get an aerial deathblow.
>You can do the same thing for the second phase.
How does it let you have deathblows if you've already alerted her?
30a484 No.16460179
>>16460084
It's not nearly that bad if you know where to grind and on what ng
692616 No.16460286
>>16451152
>I want to see the Divine Child producing some rice
dad2e8 No.16460606
>>16460179
Even if you do a run without losing any substantial amounts of XP, it seems that simply going through the game until NG+++ to get all the endings isn't enough and you'll have to grind. It's one of the worst things in the game that I feel they'll overdo in fixing if their past games are any reference.
30a484 No.16460647
>>16460606
Orin is quite the qt
e29a2e No.16460648
>>16460606
Getting a level up item or some sort of XP item after defeating a boss, if you've already collected their prayer bead, seems like it would be a good solution. They could also have a health version of the dragon mask you could collect in NG+.
dad2e8 No.16460798
>>16460647
Yeah, not too shabby for a crazy ghost blender.
>>16460648
>Getting a level up item or some sort of XP item after defeating a boss, if you've already collected their prayer bead
That would be good for NG+ runs, I think mini-bosses just drop cash we'll never need; I wager most people end NG with only two upgrades missing because there's not enough lazulite. I maintain, we should have the option to replay bosses at will by the 'Confront memory' option.
>dragon mask
Big disappointment. I wish it was something like "X% to not spend spirit emblems" so we could go ham with the tools.
>>16460715
Congrats.
"The real Dark Souls Sekiro begins now."
efb743 No.16460900
>>16460169
Because the game's fucking broken.
Have you seen the speedruns?
You can do the aerial deathblow for the second phase even if you didn't get the deathblow for the first one.
I'm playing on the 1.02 version though they might've fixed this with patches.
efb743 No.16460919
>>16460648
It's legit insane that there are Mibu balloons for every sort of reward or currency in the game except for XP.
Now I know this could potentially just make deaths meaningless since money can just be made into coin purses and Dragonrot does fucking nothing but I think they still should make an XP boost item for NG+.
17c23f No.16461015
>>16460936
Kuro will surely grow up to be a beautiful lady.
46262c No.16461036
>>16461015
A bishōnen at best
4a03e9 No.16461039
>>16460798
Seriously, those double spear cunts are unlike any other enemy.
17c23f No.16461043
>>16461036
The best way to hide from the central government forces when people are looking for a young man is to not be a man anymore. A common practice at the time.
d28e2d No.16461194
>>16461043
Don't tell that to trannies, they'll just use it as justification for trying to convert some gullible faggot to cut their dicks off
<b-but history has shown that being transsexual was a normal thing!
688cbf No.16461469
>>16460798
>"The real Dark Souls Sekiro begins now."
With the exception of two bosses where Bloodborne begins instead.
>>16460715
I wish we could throw lightning as a skill too.
c70beb No.16462075
>>16460798
Are you high? NG+ and above is way easier than NG because you have all of your tools much earlier, and enemy patterns don't change at all.
dad2e8 No.16462131
>>16460936
The Noh thespian Okami warrior.
>>16461469
>With the exception of two bosses where Bloodborne begins instead.
I'd say it's a couple of mixed bags.
>>16462075
>Are you high?
I'm not saying anything about difficulty, just that grinding is annoying and if bosses/mini-bosses dropped a XP item instead of money we don't need (something another anon suggested, I'd personally prefer farming XP by replaying boss fights at will by confronting the memory), it would make it less of a slog.
c70beb No.16462145
>>16462131
I mean most people said that was because the boss scaling actually sort of changed how you played the game, not "here's where the absurd grinding starts"
46262c No.16462188
>>16451377
>>16451638
Post screenshots plz, OP. Now that you wasted days of your life in trying to max out everything, let's see the fruits of your labor.
692616 No.16462204
So how capable is the modding for this game?
I feel like there is a lot of potential for things left unused ingame provided that things more complex than model swaps/number changes are doable.
3964fb No.16462349
what if you are not meant to get all the skills?
dad2e8 No.16462392
>>16462204
I just want to see pic related happen.
c7e2cc No.16462457
I just don't like how forgiving the parrying windows are in this game. For all its faults, in Dark Souls III they got it right, in my opinion. You had two types of shields, standard shields and parrying shields. Parrying shields do not absorb 100% physical damage, but they have much more lenient parry timings, so the player would trade defensiveness for the ability to perform easier parries. While one could parry with standard shields, the windows for doing so were much stricter, because the majority of standard shields will absorb 100% physical damage, so long as your character has enough stamina to keep it held up. The stricter parry timing is there to offset the benefit of being able to both parry and fully block incoming damage.
In Sekiro, players can block and parry with their katana, which appears to be made out of fucking titanium, and since they have no stamina bar, they can just hold that shit up all day. You might be thinking
>yeah well, if all you do is block, the posture meter will fill and you'll eat shit, so you need to manage it by carefully timing your parries and balancing offensive and defensive maneuvers
The thing is that, because parry timings are so forgiving, the player can just repeatedly mash the L1 button and get a proper parry most of the time. Additionally, the posture bar will deplete very quickly, so long as Sekiro isn't injured. Not only that, even if the the bar completely fills, at most the player will be punished by a brief second of vulnerability, which can only make all the difference when they're one hit away from death.
Once you git gud at parrying, it feels like the game is permanently stuck on training wheels mode. It would've been nice to be able to switch between a sword that deals more posture and vitality damage, but that requires precision parrying in order to be effective.
4a03e9 No.16462475
>>16462349
Latent skills are always useful, but I am not finding most of others useful. Shadowrush seems good for cheesing, but I just use Ichimonji Double as a crutch when I have to.
85e386 No.16462481
>>16447219
Nice, you wasted your time.
061921 No.16462486
>tfw it runs like shit on your pc
>can't keep a consistent 30 fps on consoles
I enjoyed the little bit I got to play though…
3bcf52 No.16462516
>>16462204
>So how capable is the modding for this game?
Game is very moddable but the "community" would have to get off its ass and do some work (for free) but who the hell is going to put that kind of work into mods for this, or any game? you could could make an awesome cyberpunk samurai game or a spiritual sequel to bloodrayne, or ever a simple beat-em up with added verticality (like a rorschach game) but nobody is going to spend time building all the assets necessary for any of that…
>things more complex than model swaps/number changes are doable.
last I checked you can now play as 2B and Nu-Lara Croft.
dad2e8 No.16462543
>>16462457
>It would've been nice to be able to switch between a sword that deals more posture and vitality damage, but that requires precision parrying in order to be effective.
Would be nice if the Mortal Blade worked like that maybe like in the PS2 Shinobi game where it starts sapping your HP if you go too long without killing or just as the Hiltless/Chaos Blade/Chikage from their own games.
There's nothing ninja about it but seeing the Seven Spears dudes makes me wish we could have a weapon like that, I just love the weight behind those moves. Odd thing but I think it would be cool if the game worked like old beat 'em ups and we could use enemy weapons for a bit like those hiya-zutsu the Central Forces use.
>>16462475
>Ichimonji Double
I think buffing other skills should always be the way to go but that thing probably needs nerfing, it's just way too freakin' good. They nerfed the sweep counter kicks and I still use them.
4a03e9 No.16462545
>>16462516
I don't know how nobody has done a texture swap for the perilous attacks kanji yet, they indicate different types of attacks but it's fucking kanji and western pigs can't read that shit.
692616 No.16462557
>>16462516
>who the hell is going to put that kind of work into mods for this
The reason I mentioned unused potential is that there is alot of stuff in the game that the player just doesn't have access to which should be (assuming the engine permits it) done purely with code.
And coding is fun
Creating assets isn't,as you mentioned.
>you can now play as 2B and Nu-Lara Croft.
Both of those are model swaps.
4a03e9 No.16462564
>>16462543
It's only really usable when enemies aren't going apeshit on you. Being stationary and not doing anything for a second and have to time it are enough drawbacks.
b80f70 No.16462590
>>16462457
>they can just hold that shit up all day
Did we play the same game? You get knocked off balanced and one shotted if you do that you lying nigger.
3bcf52 No.16462643
>>16462557
>Both of those are model swaps.
yes, thats why I mentioned them (thats the most i've seen as far as mods go
>>16462543
>how nobody has done a texture swap for the perilous attacks kanji yet, they indicate different types of attacks but it's fucking kanji and western pigs can't read that shit.
because it would take effort, and it's not as much instant flash/fun as playing with 2B's big ass or Nu-Lara's flat tits.
dad2e8 No.16462860
>>16462545
Just changing the colors would be a great help to those who stubbornly refuse to become proficient. :^)
>>16462564
I've seen bosses that make grown men chimp out Snake Eyes get downright bullied by that thing.
>>16462643
They made a mod of it for Snekgami-sama. Bit of a waste to not have the Thomas theme play during the sequence.
7731dd No.16462942
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What's your favorite track in the game? Don't see many people mentioning the music of Sekiro, I'm gonna go with the Divine Dragon theme.
c70beb No.16462953
>>16462942
probably because the music is super forgettable generic trash. It's an extremely poor showing from a from game
854aff No.16462966
>>16462953
It's typical Souls music. None of the music in the series is memorable.
76bc51 No.16462968
>>16462942
Owl's phase 2 theme
c70beb No.16462970
>>16462966
I can at least remember 3 tracks from souls games. I have 2.5 playthroughs of sekiro and the only music I can even sort of remember is the first 30 seconds of the fountainhead palace combat theme.
164db6 No.16463022
>>16462942
I don't remember anything except webmrelated but I love it for some reason.
Also did they casualized game for western audience already or not?
4e91b9 No.16463317
>>16447686
>And the hardest was probably blazing bull.
I had a hard time with Blazing Bull at first, because I played all the Souls games and forgot that Sekiro isn't a Souls game. They really push the parry thing hard, and against humanoid enemies it makes perfect sense. They swing their sword, you parry it. But this big fucking bull came out of nowhere and my mind immediately reverted to trying to dodge it and jump away constantly, because it's a big fucking bull with a flaming head. But after a bunch of deaths I finally realized that, no matter what its body looks like, every enemy in the game is susceptible to the same mechanics, and I just started parrying the bull. He died pretty quick after that.
dad2e8 No.16463763
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>>16462942
Demon of Hatred, followed by Corrupted Monk and Lady Butterfly. From the battle themes, Mt Kongo Bongo and the last Central Forces assault.
The music is IMO one of the game's weakest points. It's serviceable but not very memorable outside of a few tracks.
Speaking of the Demon of Hatred, gonna leave a reminder to stop by the temple every now and then to eavesdrop on Emma and the Sculptor for extra dialogue hinting at this boss and then speak to the Sculptor, this will add extra lines to the DoH fight where Sekiro recognizes who he is.
139632 No.16463813
>>16463763
>spoiler
When I read about that I found it pretty stupid. I figured out who the demon is mysfelf but the guy still said he doesn't know…
b8eb1b No.16463985
>>16447219
Honestly by the time I got to Butterfly I realized this game just wasn't going to click with me. It feels like it wants to be Ninja Gaiden or something but is held back by the awful camera that it inherited from Souls games. The combat also feels extremely one-dimensional, like there is only one way to win every significant fight. I simply didn't really have the patience to grind out the muscle memory for their tedious as fuck enemies with multiple health bars. Actually, the best way I can describe this game is almost like a compilation of the most irritating bosses from Souls games, like Ancient Dragon – just a mind-numbing endurance test.
573f4f No.16464056
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>>16462966
I don't think that's fair. I can't remember many tracks from Dark Souls 2 or 3, but Demon's Souls, Bloodborne and (imo to a lesser extent) Dark Souls 1 are full of memorable ones.
688cbf No.16464073
>>16463317
Another reason why the Bull is hard is because at the point when you have to fight him you only have limited abilities to upgrade your HP and stamina since the game is pretty linear until you reach the castle. You won't have much chance to gain new skills or upgrade your weapons either at that point.
2a4c88 No.16464736
>>16462966
brainlet detected
Corrupted Monk, Owl 2, Ape and Demon all have memorable melodies
2a4c88 No.16464758
Anyone noticed the Kabuki theatre theme with Demon of Hatred?
His stance and even the music, It's got more YOOOO than all the other songs
b82722 No.16466590
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>>16462942
It's not the best OST i've ever heard, but i genuinely don't understand why people shit on it so much
>>16463022
What do you mean?
>>16463317
This, i had the same issues with the Ape and the Demon
c257ec No.16466874
>>16462942
I turned the music off because the level music got annoying after a while and I never turned it back on to hear any boss themes. I wish it was silent when going through a level and only played music when fighting a boss or mini-boss, Dork Souls style.
06bed1 No.16468153
>>16462966
>It's typical Souls music
Sekiro's OST was meant to be ambience which compliments the environment or boss encounter, so it's a little unfair to just lump it with souls. I think Divine Dragon's was pretty nice.
BB has a lot of diversity when it comes to its OST. Many tracks don't employ choirs. DeS also has a lot of memorable tracks.
Only DaS2 and DaS3 are guilty of using samey, messy orchestra. Some in DaS3 sound horrendously overblown. Sekiro had none of that, so that's a plus for me.
>>16464056
Nice.
One Who Craves Souls and Maiden Astrae's are my favorites in DeS.
688cbf No.16468171
>>16466590
The Ape is a real gut-punch. While you can parry its first stage, it's not really advisable. It's far better to treat it like a Bloodborne boss until the head comes off and then go back to playing Sekiro.
7731dd No.16468309
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>>16466874
You missed out on some cool music, this one's more of a dark souls/bb style track with some Jap shit tossed in but I think it's cool and fit the sword saint fight really well
dad2e8 No.16468865
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>>16464056
DeS has a really good OST, I was hooked right off the bat with 'The Beginning'; a crying shame the composer never came back. Overall I think it's a game that aged well because the presentation is top notch and the game is balls to the wall FUN ALLOWED.
DaS2 is a bit like Sekiro in terms of music, the few tracks that are good are pretty damn good. For me, those would be Sir Alonne (embedded), Nashandra and Aldia.
>>16464758
Yeah, and he goes totally ham when he fires his flaming sculpted Buddhas at you.
But on the subject of noticing, I'm just noticing the trophy icons are wooden sculptures.
>>16466590
I guess people are harsher on it because there aren't many tracks that linger in your memory as in some of the previous games, a probably shared by DaS3 that is mostly composed of bombastic, forgettable tracks.
There aren't many tracks in Sekiro I feel like listening on their own outside DoH and Lady Butterfly.
371763 No.16472977
Playing Nioh and Sekiro make we want a fusion of the two. Sekiro's movement, stealth and basic combat but with Nioh's ninjitsu tools and items, weapons and the more advanced stuff in combat. The two scratch that shinobi/ninja itch, but both are missing features from the other.
1c6b7d No.16472986
>>16468171
For the first phase of the Great Ape Rape(tm) I tend to just rush him down, just as you said bloodborne style. It helps because if you do enough damage he will get stunned allowing for tons of vitality damage. All you have to do is avoid the grab and you can be very aggressive first stage. Second stage is a complete change in how I approach it, nothing but hit and run, avoiding getting terrored to death, and not getting greedy. Some parrying, but ive found when he belly flops if you get up in his face he cant hit you with his sword at all, allowing for free shots. It was a challenging and fun boss for me to learn.
688cbf No.16472987
>>16472977
I want a three way fusion between the best parts of Nioh, Sekiro, and Bloodborne. That would a hell of a game.
371763 No.16472994
>>16472987
What BB elements could you even add?
c70beb No.16473002
>>16472977
The stealth? That massively half baked garbage? I mean really all sekiro did well was have an idea of a combat system, but cocked it so massively it leaves the game getting easier over time
4000b3 No.16473005
>>16472994
Make dodging viable, switch weapons and recovering health if you keep up the attack, if you ask me.
5041b3 No.16473006
>>16447219
>As a completionist
>hate grinding
Oh boy do I got news 4u
dad2e8 No.16473009
>>16472987
Bloodborne trick weapons + Sekiro movement + Nioh triple stance. Throw in Dragon's Dogma/Sengoku Basara inputs for special moves and DMC delay strings and you could get something absurdly complex.
dik status: THE FIRST FLAME
371763 No.16473010
>>16473002
The stealth was never the focus for Sekiro and in that fusion game I'd like, it wouldn't be overhauled that much either. Give me basic and serviceable stealth in combination with a big box of weapons and tools for the real fun shinobi experience.
>>16473005
Dodging is already viable in Sekiro and Nioh, Nioh has the weapon variety and only the rally system would be new, but even then, I don't think it would fit.
c70beb No.16473014
>>16473010
Except the stealth isn't serviceable. It's like saying Dark Souls had "stealth"
b15616 No.16473376
>>16473009
The sorcerer spells in DD give me quite the stiffy, very few games make me feel as powerful as a caster.
371763 No.16474339
>>16473014
Except it is though. Its meant to be barebones as the meat of the game is the combat. You're given stealth as an option for clearing out areas without the risk of combat and for also reaching bosses without fighting enemies beforehand. The stealth of Sekiro is meant to give that predator like feeling, because you have the tools and movement to strike from cover, from above, distract someone to turn their attention elsewhere etc.
It is nothing amazing, but it does the job.
c1cb70 No.16474341
>>16474339
You don't need stealth for that. You can just run past enemies with no problem.
c1bcde No.16474346
>>16473006
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4a03e9 No.16474466
>>16474341
You can also not play the game.
688cbf No.16474595
>>16473010
>but even then, I don't think it would fit.
Maybe it existed as a rally sugar or like one of the buff gourds.
b88a28 No.16488863
It's odd that Sekiro has so much more fanart than Nioh. Of course half of it seems to be of Kuro so that may be the answer.
d423fd No.16488892
>>16473010
>and only the rally system would be new
Rallying system wouldn't work in something like Nioh. Even the most heaviest armor cannot take more than 5 good hits. You also have something way better than rallying with Extraction magic.
93edd0 No.16488907
>>16474595
Those pictures remind me of Sunibee.
e344ed No.16488935
>>16488907
Amazing, I was about to post the same thing
9d4c99 No.16489779
>>16488863
dont lewd the loli (male) ever again!
766b9c No.16489848
e344ed No.16489857
766b9c No.16489862
>>16489857
Wait was there some change to TOR i don't know about
a7e95a No.16490082
>>16489990
Those DeS comics were fun.
d71ced No.16490263
>>i have beaten a linear barebones game, with near zero storytelling, whos only strength is rng enemies, i died thousand times to single enemy but i have beaten the game guise!
nobody sane cares
da5cca No.16490295
>>16490263
>>i have made a nonsensical barebones post, with zero substantive points, whose only strength is that it was shat out by an edgy 12 year old who's clamoring for attention, i made posts like this thousands of times for no reason but i have better taste in games than you guise!
nobody sane cares
b88a28 No.16490329
>>16490263
Couldn't even get past Gyoubu Masataka Oniwa could you?
a2650f No.16490334
>>16490263
Let them have their fleeting moments of superiority, my son.
ace36c No.16490701
http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/20/an-ending/
>I’ve consulted on a video game out of Japan.
that rumor from a few months ago about GRRM working with FROM on an open world was probably just accidentally confirmed by the fat man himself
8e9c22 No.16490766
>>16490701
>george fat fuck martini working with from on open world memeshit
Soulsbabbies from the subleddit will buy fifteen copies each, including all collector's editions made available. This is new levels of pandering, and it can only end terribly. Thank god I stopped caring after DaS PtDE.
a7e95a No.16491162
>>16490701
Game of Souls
Lord help us.
9d4c99 No.16491176
>>16490701
>hey i like killing off characters at the drop of a hat
>me too
>lets go have fun together
>[they get up from the lunch table leaving kojima alone with his arranged by color legos as norman tries to get him to stop talking about sticks and rope]
9d4c99 No.16491178
>>16490263
>i died thousand times to single enemy
0e78ec No.16491368
>>16473006
>spend 20 hours to farm it
>lots of wasted time double tasking, was probably around 90 tries
>comment about it on /v/
>get raged on by anons who never got it after 300+ tries
dad2e8 No.16492211
>>16490701
I doubt it's a FROM game because those usually have dragons. :^)
>>16491368
I once got one in about 10 tries. That was all the luck I had that year.
8e4e01 No.16494733
Aight, installing this shit on pc right now, updates and all. Got any starting tips for a beginner who has never completed a single souls game in his life?
157a47 No.16494752
>>16494733
Dodge is only meant for spacing or stealth, if you try dodging through enemy attacks you re going to eat every last one of them, the preferred option is to deflect attacks which works similarly to a parry except much easier and safer.
9d4c99 No.16494757
>>16494733
get the mikiri counter and healing gourd upgrades first.
8e3f9f No.16494796
dad2e8 No.16494837
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>>16494733
There's not much in common with the Souls games in terms of how to move and approach enemies. For the most part, you'll want to deflect enemy attacks even if it looks like you're going to get flattened and regarding perilous attacks, make sure you pay close attention to the enemy animation not only to recognize the type of attack coming but also the timing to counter because some require you to wait a bit before reacting. I'll second getting the Mikiri Counter first but for the healing upgrades, I'd say it depends on how much you'll be struggling because they're very costly. Remember that stamina is not a thing so you can run and attack as much as you like though keep in mind not all enemies will sit there being bullied with R1 spam and either deflect your attack or power through with a armored attack - for boss fights it's key to not mash, make a split-second break between button presses so you can react if a enemy decides to poise through your attacks. Remember you can get a stealth killing blow on most mini-bosses to skip half the fight if you ever find yourself having trouble dealing with some of them. Don't engage Headless until end-game.
And for those who already played through the game, here's a fun fact - Kensei Isshin has a seppuku scar
8e3f9f No.16495055
>>16494733
The game is fun. Fun as fuck.
Sekiro's beauty lies in the speed, the reflexes and the different kinds of attacks that can be executed in the time windows that each enemy has.
Without fear of being mistaken I think mini bosses are some of the funniest enemies to face. I'm currently fighting Lone Shadow Longswordsman, and it's so much fun that I don't attack it from above to take an orb of life, I enjoy a full combat.
For some reason, I feel that the combat system is similar to For Honor's "The Art of Battle", but with a different approach and that pleases me very much.
8e4e01 No.16495267
>>16494757
>>16494752
Happy to announce that I killed the first shinobi hunter by sheer luck on my second try. Also found the second fucker, and managed to fight my way into the estate itself. Two rots obtained. I really need to use my tools more often. Still waiting for that inevitable wall that will make me quit the game though.
b88a28 No.16495316
>>16495267
>Still waiting for that inevitable wall that will make me quit the game though.
I like to call him Sad Panda.
9d4c99 No.16495340
>>16495316
>run around
>let him throw shit or in phase 2 do the slide
>get 3 hits in, run around until he does it again
There are few bosses you can cheese easier to be honest. The final boss is really the only thing i found challenging and i think thats because they intentionally put the other guy before him who has a much faster attack speed to fuck up your tempo against the real boss.
43ef42 No.16495372
>>16494733
get the skill that let you recover health with deathblows as fast as you can, it will save you a lot of healing itens
dad2e8 No.16495411
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>>16495267
The game can feel pretty difficult in the first run, I died a lot to the early mini-bosses and then a whole lot to the late bosses. You'll have to know every enemy in detail, the attack strings, the "tells" and how to approach the fight because not all enemies are about filling the posture bar by deflection and will instead require you to deplete their HP bar instead and sometimes a mix of both attacking and deflecting.
As for tools, the Firecrackers are basically a crutch as they're efficient against almost every enemy besides apparitions, the Shuriken is useful to interrupt enemies when they're buffing or recovering posture and the Axe coupled with the follow-up attack skill does big posture damage and can poise through some enemy attacks. There's a link to a playlist of very handy tool guides in this topic in case you're interested.
c70beb No.16495444
>>16495340
I mean you can cheese almost every boss if you're familiar with how the dark souls AI works, because it's basically copy pasted. Owl can be looped into constantly backflipping. Lady Butterfly is so simple to AI loop I found it on like my 3rd attempt at the fight.
The AI in this game is really fucking bad because of the added mobility the player has, and from just reusing AI patterns from Dark Souls. Like not targeting an enemy makes them far less aggressive, in addition to them no longer doing certain chains, every boss has something like that. In addition to that Isshin has a pretty simple loop, but can't be killed unless he pulls out the spear because AI scripting.
c44c45 No.16496398
>>16496394
Also, Okami Lineage.
96601f No.16505559
Today I've finally got gud and beaten fucking Genishiro. By far one of the hardest "souls"bosses ever, but it was exilarating. Had my heart in the throat by the end of the fight, literally shaking , even.
1f7762 No.16505592
>>16505559
Congratulations you have now beaten part 1 of the tutorial!
a57c0d No.16505628
>>16505559
Genichiro isn't even the hardest story boss. He's actually one of the easier ones despite the difficulty you'll have at first. His grandad is the real challenge.
96601f No.16505643
>>16505628
>>16505592
Yeah, figured that just fuck my life
b88a28 No.16505774
>>16505559
Once you get him to his third phase he's easy since you can just stay away and deflect lightning back at him.
a7e95a No.16505934
>>16505628
He isn't. I legitimately died more to Genichiro than Sword Saint. I died more to Ape than Sword Saint.
dad2e8 No.16506179
>>16505559
Keep at it. The game may feel unsurmountable at some points but you'll see how much you've improved.
This is one of the few games I've mused doing a gimped run of sorts, whether it's no HP upgrades or limit the healing gourd supply etc.
>>16505628
He is easy and borders on the pushover once you have his patterns figured but until then he can be pretty challenging.
IMHO the hardest boss is Owl (Father) followed by Demon of Hatred.
b88a28 No.16506229
>>16506179
I thought daddy Owl was suppose to be easier than GS Owl?
dad2e8 No.16506291
>>16506229
My daddy Owl didn't get that memo then. The perilous attacks aren't too bad but the overhead slam he can cancel into other attacks can be tricky and his movement makes it easier to get caught off guard and there's no longer the anti-heal charm "freebie". For the most part it's still a enemy who hits like a truck, does immense posture damage, will Mikiri the shit out of you and will try to capitalize on posture breaks, his second phase attacks aren't all that troublesome but it's really annoying when he's wide open and vanishes. In my first playthrough, the standard end boss took me the most time to beat but once I had him figured, he wasn't too bad in subsequent playthroughs but daddy still beat my ass like a drum.
A honorable mention to the Shura endboss, not particularly hard but has a couple of tricks I never quite learned how to properly deal with.
a57c0d No.16506306
>>16506179
>>16505934
Insanity. Isshin hits hard & will hit you even if you've managed to dodge or block the brunt of his hits. He can be cheesed somewhat with shadowrush or the purple umbrella but once you're out of emblems you'll have to rely on the hit n run strategy. That's when the difficulty comes in.
dad2e8 No.16506373
>>16506306
We talking about Sword Saint? I'll stick to what I said, in subsequent playthroughs, I found daddy Owl harder. Isshin is a bit like Genichiro, a very pattern heavy enemy and I confidently fight him head on, the only time I back away is to recover posture.
Phase 1 he has a 4 hit string that can be dodged on the 3rd, a perilous thrust preceded by a non-perilous one, a second perilous thrust telegraphed by him taking a few steps to your right, a chase down slash to punish chugs, Ichimonji and Dragon Flash are both armored but have poor tracking, if he goes into the Iaido stance just walk up to him and he'll strike and follow up with a perilous sweep just begging for that High Monk punish; his trickier attack is a armored slash where he goes into a stance and does a AoE, just goomba stomp him to avoid it and damage his posture a bit.
Phase 2 is hard because of the posture damage his combo does, you'll want to deflect as many hits as possible to Mikiri the perilous thrust ender and you also can't mash R1 because of his retreating leap slice. Again, he has a armored slice to a AoE and, again, goomba stomp him to avoid it. He very rarely uses the perilous sweep that, for the most part, is a single attack while most thrusts are combo enders. Watch out for the gun when he's at range and expect the spear slam when he approaches.
Phase 3 is more of the same but now you can mess him up faster with Lightning Reflect (jump right after the kanji disappears) and the wind slice is easily dodged by running to a side.
He was undoubtedly the hardest boss in my first run but I'll be damned if I didn't git gud. Heck! I wish it were like this in other games, fuckin' Orphan in Bloodborne rails me sideways every goddamned time.
1ea016 No.16506423
>>16506373
The hard part about isshin is his phase 2 spear+sword combos. I find their timing awkward and impossible to read.
a57c0d No.16506451
>>16506373
Owl is easier because you just have to be hyper aggressive & close the gaps while paying attention to his tells. Isshin is unpredictable in the second phase onwards.
dad2e8 No.16509453
Never quite figured how this bastard looked like. He's got Date Shigezane's centipede kabuto though that's probably more to due with the game's themes than referencing a Sengoku Jidai person.
52241e No.16511162
I keep having constant crashes and I can barely play the game due to it crashing every 10 minutes.
423409 No.16511232
>>16448428
I dont get why they didnt put the long-arm centipede giraffe earlier in the game, it's perfect for teaching people how to parry and a fucking cakewalk for anyone coming across him at that point in the game. It's like pinwheel all over again
a57c0d No.16515081
Is it at all possible to bait Isshin off the edge of the arena like demon of hatred?
f66250 No.16515107
>>16447302
Pretty much, yeah. The difficulty has nothing to do with it, From games have consistently more players with all the achievements/trophies unlocked than musou games for example.
a57c0d No.16515155
>>16515150
After 20 attempts at fighting him again in NG+ with just a sliver of his health left only to get killed because of the shit camera, yes. I want to cheese him.
4b868c No.16515168
>>16460084
>The XP grind is fucking atrocious
You actually get more points if you don't get any skills. The less you upgrade yourself, the more XP you gain.
da5cca No.16515170
>>16515155
Don't be a fag, just do it again. Faggot.
8e4e01 No.16515195
>>16515168
FUCKING WHAT THAT'S JUST- WHAT IN THE EVERLOVING GODDAMN FUCKING WHY WOULD FROM DESIGN IT THAT WAY??!
I know, I know, git gud etc, and other bullshit. These souls games are really not my thing, I'm having trouble all over the fucking place.
b88a28 No.16515260
>>16515168
You've got to be joking.
1a127b No.16519091
>>16515168
So, this system + the absolutely busted and fucked up New Game++++++++++ that turns everything into a stupid hackaway simulator as if it's fucking WoW back in 2006 and people are raiding that lesbian dragon dildo dungeon…FromSoft really just can't be assed to make good games anymore. Would it have fucking killed them to finally let us customize our New Game + by letting the player jack up or down the difficulty as they please? Or at least explain the whole XP trick so people won't go fucking mental from being stuck to the absolutely shitty basic moves?
ed4159 No.16524892
>>16505559 (samefagging)
Well, Genichiro was a good master, killed Lady Butterfly on my 2nd attempt and Armor Guy on my first (and I was a retard and had to deathblow him three times to understand that you have to push him out of the bridge)
a438a2 No.16524917
>>16515168
Bullshit. I did my grind on NG+4 and the XP I got was consistent through filling out half the skills.
cc5918 No.16525625
>everyone saying this game is easy
Is it because everyone does that block spam or is it actually easy? Cause I've been restraining from doing that block spam and it feels pretty challenging.
96601f No.16525875
>>16525625
Blockspamming gives you better chances of perfectly deflect attacks, but you still have to hit the button in time, so it only makes the game a little easier when you get gud.
cc5918 No.16525887
>>16525875
I only try to block when results in a parry instead of a block. It feels like that's what they originally intended especially since katanas weren't weapons that you should be using to block with.
7927e0 No.16525967
>>16447219
I'm just posting here because I love the concept of "stoic characters thinking of their waifus" idea and wondering if anyone had more pics like that.
1ea016 No.16526224
>>16525967
You realize that's a boy right?
b7134e No.16526239
cc5918 No.16526306
>>16526268
>Genichirous 7 hit combo where thats the only way to block it
>only way to block it
I would say git gud and learn the timing of each bosses attack like I did but you don't need to git gud. Just spam block. A game meant to be hard but even normalfags find it easy. Even though I took the time to learn each bosses moveset, because I didn't know about block spam, it still only took me 23 hours to beat the entirety. Also your Dark Souls analogy is flawed. More like it's like going through dark souls with a shield and infinite stamina. That's literally what it is in Sekiro, getting posture stunned was barely a punishment since you could roll out of it.
cc5918 No.16526320
>>16526308
Journos also couldn't aim properly when given nudoom if you remember that. I don't have a webm for it but it was pretty pathetic, they couldn't walk and aim at the same time.
a7e95a No.16526365
>>16525625
It has a steep beginner's curve but once you get it or once it clicks, the game becomes much easier. You still have to be on your toes and learn bosses, they fell very much like you are going to die a few times to do that. Once you've mastered the game and beaten it, there isn't much left to see which is where most of the negativity comes from. Its as deep as a puddle with its combat and content.
cc5918 No.16527261
>>16526268
>game says spamming block won't work well
>spamming block actually works extremely well
>designed this way
c70beb No.16527277
>>16527261
It only says that because.. I don't know why. I guess the game wants to trick you into thinking it's about timing? That or it was a holdover from older versions and they never bothered to fix it. The game feels extremely unfinished at parts.
692616 No.16533896
>>16527261
>>16527277
I mean technically subsequent blocks shrink your parry window but its not narrow enough by default that it matters
1ea016 No.16533988
>>16526306
>>16533896
>Claiming it's easy to just spam parry.
Prove it. Post video of you consecutively parrying all 9hits of this combo. If you block one instead of parrying it doesn't count. If you can't even fully parry one of the easiest bosses in the game you don't have ANY room to complain about the system being too easy or too forgiving.
1ea016 No.16534001
>>16533988
By the way, it's super easy to backstep once and make him whiff the first 2+6 hits, then parry the one strong hit triggering him to use the perilous thrust attack right after. That gives you a free mikiri for basically no risk since the last hit by itself is easy if you don't get hit by the one before. That's not the point though. According to you and people like you, you can just spam parry all game so fucking do it. Spam parry against the easiest fucking boss and show me that it actually works.
c70beb No.16534029
>>16533988
>I can't do it so it's impossible
I think you're just bad at a very low skill ceiling game
1ea016 No.16534050
>>16534029
>No you're bad
I asked for proof nigger.
d7e188 No.16534095
>>16533988
That's probably not the best fight to try to make your point because you are pretty much guaranteed to parry all the attacks by spamming. Same with Centipede Giraffe. The attacks come in about as fast as you spam anyway.
1ea016 No.16534123
>>16534095
Nope. That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. If you spam you WILL miss the parries on Genichiro. If it's as easy as you say no one would have problems producing the proof I requested, but the truth is you are just a bunch of lying faggots.
d7e188 No.16534151
>>16534123
>If you spam you WILL miss the parries on Genichiro
Well that how I did it. I mean I'm not that good at the game so parry spam is pretty much my go to method for dealing with shit.
c70beb No.16534381
>>16534123
>y-you all just lie, the game told me it was hardcore
1ea016 No.16534398
>>16534151
You can still beat Genichiro even if you fail to parry. Usually you block anyway, and as you can see in that video >>16533988 even with the NG+ damage bleedthrough he still doesn't do enough that one or two missed parries in the very short fight is going to matter.
However, saying that you can just "spam the button and deflect everything" is categorically false. Saying that the deflect window is so large even if you spam the button that you can't fail is also false. If any one of you goes back and actually pays attention to how many deflects you miss even on one of the easiest full-boss phases in the game you'll see that quite clearly.
692616 No.16539342
>>16534398
>Saying that the deflect window is so large even if you spam the button that you can't fail is also false
Of course,mashing the button blindly like you are on crack cocaine will fuck you up,I however didn't want to assume that anons itt were that retarded so i interpreted "spamming" as "pressing the button more often than is necessary" which the parry window is sufficently large to get through doing if you have any sense of timing.
1eaa47 No.16544975
>>16544960
I hate Fromfags so much.
602d1a No.16545027
>>16472962
Waiting for the E3 announcement
d7e188 No.16550640
dad2e8 No.16556396
>>16545027
They'll probably just focus on the game they're making with the GoT fat fuck.
602d1a No.16556686
>>16556396
That shit won't come out anytime soon i still have hope
1eaa47 No.16557076
>>16556487
I hate this faggot too.
1ea016 No.16557339
>>16539342
So I've given it a few days, and still not a single person has proven that they are good enough to perfect-parry even a relatively easy boss. "If you have any sense of timing" indeed. Put your money where your damn mouth is and prove it or get the fuck out.
1eaa47 No.16557397
>>16557339
No one gives a shit about this game anymore lol.
d7e188 No.16564380
d7e188 No.16589445
>tfw there's still no word on DLC