/v/ - Video Games

>>16426291

>post-launch exclusivity

We've officially surpassed the Console Wars.

>Steam version will continue receive support

They'll try to delay patches for a couple weeks, calling it now.

And people thought for a second they would honor their deal of no exclusives if Steam followed their 88% developer pay business model. China has no honor.

>>16426302

That was immediately obvious.

>cucket league

and nothing of value was ever lost!

>>16426320

/thread

>>16426322

It's not about the game or the company, it's about the precedent it sets for the rest of the industry you fucking retard

It looks like Epic is trying to make the PC marketplace an utter shitshow in whatever way they can.

>>16426306

>>16426321

Bugsray always welcome, but I don't think the Chinks own that much of Epic anymore

>>16426334

*spray

>>16426335

shamfur dispray

>>16426302

I'm glad Steam is losing, but at what price.

>>16426325

How is it a precedent? Console companies buy up developers all the time to make their games exclusive.

>>16426325

>it's about the precedent it sets for the rest of the industry

Companies are bought and sold for exclusivity all the time. Companies snatching up talent is happens all the time. What is really new here, is devs indirectly and soon to be directly working for the a commie govt, and the dev now has to rationalize their part in the enslavement of a billion people, censorship of their ideas, and their place in the blight sweeping into their once loved hobby and career.

>>16426321

added air freshener:

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>>16426291

Even though I already have a key for RL (it was a gift), this shit is making me wanna pirate games out of spite. By that, I mean building a torrent swarm.

>>16426344

That's outdated, there was an investment rally back in December and Disney bought a huge stake in them eating away at Tencent but Wikiniggers are lazy

>when a single shitty battle royale game wrecks the entire industry

>>16426343

Is Taiwan actually good or is it just not as shit as grorious peepurr's repubric?

Everybody on /v/ just fucking pirates, why should anyone care?

>>16426398

maybe the next one will be tanks playing soccer, "flatten your dissenting opponents"

>>16426385

It's marginally better, but it's still an Asian country with a shitload of people, bug-people at that, with terrible eating habits and no culture at all (since the island of Formosa changed hands a few times but was mostly a strategic port for commerce and warfare) and the aboriginals are abbo tiers.

>>16426405

I wouldn't put past them to copy the best tank vidya ever

>>16426291

Who cares about this shit.

Chinks trying to outjew jews, when jews jewed themselves already. The abyss calls.

Doesn't Rocket League handle all of it's shit through Steamworks? Are they going to actually have to sit down and program their own multiplayer infrastructure for this game? I hope they're stupid enough to not release this version on Steam and segregate their player base.

Also, doesn't everybody already have this game? There are more gift copies in peoples Steam inventories and keys on G2A than people who don't own this game. I know their strategy is simply to attempt to slash and burn a competitor by throwing money into a fire, but you'd think they could make an attempt without repeatedly making the absolute worst decisions.

>>16426460

>doesn't everybody already have this game?

You couldn't pay me to own this trash.

>>16426291

Well there goes rocket league sales

I don't feel bad, fuck "matchmaking" with no private servers and fuck the lootbox jewry.

Companies that add massive kike dlc scams like that after a game has already been released deserve to burn.

It's a shame, the core game is good and it's the only "esports" faggotry that I find actually impressive to watch. But the company is complete shit.

>>16426354

>third party dev releases game on Xbox as a digital only download

>for years they support the xbox version

>suddenly Sony buys the company who made the game out

>the game is now removed from the xbox marketplace

Dont think I've ever heard of something like that happening but I could be wrong.

>>16426511

There was the case of Monolith Soft, who made the Xenosaga series for PS2 before Nintendo bought them and had them work on Xenoblade.

>>16426400

you vastly over estimate the amount of subhuman turd world trash on this board. there's a lot of it no doubt, but some people would rather just fork over a trivial amount of money than be obligated to some private tracker. i'll always maintain that indiscriminate file sharing is for turd world trash anyway because it is. if a developer makes a game you like with no bullshit then why wouldn't you want to support them so they make more games like it? i know subhumans like you don't understand that logic though which is why you and your subhuman family live in squalor

>>16426383

I never thought I’d appreciate fortnite existing, yet here we are.

>>16426385

It's getting cucked with LGBT and democracy shit since 2016 elections with Tsai Ing-wen and the DPP winning proof that female leaders fuck up everything

But at least it's reversible, and far from South Korea tier. Their culture still leans to Japan's side and their own, while having some more gun freedom than other east asian countries. Now if only they could have a vidya and manga industry as good as jap's…

>>16426546

the memes of it are funny at least

BINGG DIIIINGGGG

ROUND EYE GO HOOOOOOOME

WE COME FOR BIGNOSE NEXT YOU SEEEEEEE

>>16426342

Only the chinese government is benefiting you retard. Games are going to be nationalized at this point and they can jew anyone thats not a chink. there is no consumer data protection for videogame users so you're fucked if you like normalfag games.

>>>/v/16426768

Try harder next time

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>>16426533

>if a developer makes a game you like with no bullshit

If it's on the Epic or Steam it's already trash

>>16426483

>why can't valve just out-chink the chinks and buy it back for an even HIGHER price?

In order to buy something, somebody has to be willing to sell it to you. You can't just steal things and leave behind money.

>>16426894

sometimes i think that he might be intentionally trying to kill the pc market so he can retroactively be correct about the pc market being dead

>>16426530

But Nintendo didn't start rounding up all the copies of Xenosaga they could find and destroy them, and since the PS2 didn't have a digital marketplace - the analogy doesn't really fit anyhow.

More aptly, it would be like if Nintendo started to remove Bayonetta (since they basically own the franchise at this point) from sale on the PC/Xbox/PS3 in order to sell more copies of Bayonetta 2.

>>16426899

I'm sure Epic will just continue with its attempt at consolizing pc.

Calling it now, they're going to try to introduce a paid online service if they end up gaining traction.

>>16426927

>slawjacked

What did he mean by this?

>Play SRPABC for years

>Jump onto Rocket League day 1

>Have hundreds of hours played

>Even when I quit because of the awful community I'd eventually come back with a teammate and dominate again

Feels weird to know I'll never play this again. I'd say it's another dev to add to the shitpile of caring more for short-term gains than long-term community, but Psyonix had proven their greed years ago. Fuck these cunts, I'm glad to see them leading the charge on an entirely new form of developer suicide. Every article about their eventual failure will bring me joy.

>>16426935

>slawjacked

http://archive.is/W3OLf

???

>>16426910

Well some anon ITT said that Disney beat Tencent to the punch of buying on stock in Epic Games but I can't really take his word for it.

>>16426928

I think what he's trying to say is more or less about Epic forcing their users to pay for online gaming on the EGS launcher.

>>16426454

afaik they moved to their own backend because they had to for cross-platform.

>>16426905

probably not, that's just a human reflex to find sense in things that don't make any. like saying ruin johnson made a shit movie that killed a 40yo franchise on purpose.

but honestly, I'm slowly drifting towards the "why not?" camp. let epic buy everything, let every casual and retard butthurt valve never made hl3 get all they want and more. burn it all down. sometimes you need a cleansing fire.

>>16427074

It seems to me as though it'll be supported, but not listed for download - like I think Mabinogi is. Though, I bet eventually, they'll abandon support for it, and try to boot people into EGS that way. Assuming they don't just quit.

Someone post the bugspray.

>>16427096

That's what worries me. The idea that despite being on Steam for FOUR FUCKING YEARS, that they're going to try and choke out the community to try and force them onto EGS

>>16427174

Imagine in the coming days that EA decides to pull all the games they put on Steam before Origin was made off of Steam. Imagine Ubisoft doing the same. Epic has proven that they're even below EA and Ubisoft right now in buying an entire company just for one game and forcing said game off of a service that game has been on for years out of spite.

>>16426291

Paying for any entertainment at all is for retards.

Pirate everything.

Abandon anything that you can't pirate.

>>16426768

>i give money to corporations

>i win

Keep feeding them. We will keep pirating and stealing from them.

I'm glad Tencent buying out indies left and right is opening people's eyes to their delusional loyalty and support towards these devs who milk them. This is actually good for the industry in the long run.

>>16427195

Can't wait for Path of Exile to make the jump.

>>16427192

Piracy won't solve shit. Piracy has been around for 20 years and hasn't done shit to gaming except almost crashing the PC gaming market in the late 90s.

To solve this shit you need legal action.

>>16427208

>To solve this shit you need to put bullets in foreheads.

Fixed that for you.

>>16427195

Since they seem to be targetting relatively independant and new devs, it'll probably be something like Shovel Knight or Stardew Valley.

Or, if it's another new game, that Freedom Planet sequel.

honestly there will always be a big kike drm at this point

i rather have Steam or a western company than fucking chinks owning anything

>>16427214

You dumb fuck, I'm not causing this shit, that would be accelerationism. I'm talking about adapting a bad thing into a positive or alternatively about how the things people due from foolishness and greed can lead to a positive effect from a misunderstanding of human nature and unintended consequences.

>>16427217

Two Words

Legal

Action

Video Games are considered Goods under Common Law.

You do own the software, and if it's designed to fail (like with DRM) then you can sue.

The EULA means nothing, it's all a corporate ruse.

People don't seem to understand that getting exclusives is the only way to counteract people's laziness. Epic wouldn't have any chance in a competition with Steam if they were just another alternative like GOG, Humble, etc.

There's a reason Steam doesn't feel pressured by all the storesfronts that came before Epic. You have to download another proprietary botnet that's just as datamining as Steam, big whoop.

That's the free market at work goyim.

>>16427221

Or you reject shitty practices outright, and aim for a better alternative while actually be constructive instead.

>>16427226

I didn't say shit about "accepting" it, you smooth brained faggot. You reject them and draw lines where it clearly needs to be drawn. The fact that there's Denuvo in fucking steam games should be a line in the sand for most, but almost everyone stopped giving a shit.

>>16427232

You can cry about it, but that doesn't change anything about the situation.

>>16427228

Yeah, subsidizing the production of shit games and pissing off loyal fanbases is a surefire way to success.

>>16427235

Did I ever say I'd support them? I am being constructive by finding a positive viewpoint in a sea of doomsday moaning, I'm actually hopeful that this retardation will be beneficial.

>>16427235

>The fact that there's Denuvo in fucking steam games should be a line in the sand for most, but almost everyone stopped giving a shit.

Gee, maybe it's because it didn't fucking affect them enough. That's the point of accelerationism, it makes the normalfags too uncomfortable to change so they pull back. It's like spooking a horse.

>>16427246

AAA games are trash, yes. Then why do you care which is the mainstream platform for the plebs that enjoy shit games?

>>16427246

Oh, okay, fair enough I guess. I think you're far too optimistic, though - it never leads anywhere good, and it only goes downhill from here. Look at the music industry, the movie industry, etc for examples of pure poz. They want to turn video games into the same braindead shambling mess, with only maybe 10 "relevant" games and everything else being virtually impossible to make a profit from or get any marketing due to being drowned out by FortCall DutyNite. Same shit with hearing the same handful of songs on the radio, seeing the same handful of types of movies, the same handful of TV shows. It's all so tiresome, and they're all propped up the same way.

Don't let it happen to vidya.

>>16427259

I already said it was a good thing. I'm just laughing at Epic.

>>16427255

The problem with accelerationism is it is unneeded, the fools in charge will always push too far and to fast because the successive generations in charge get stupider and stupider in their ability to plan and adapt. Babel always falls.

>>16427235

>>16427246

Calm down, you're both fighting for the same point. Stop fighting each other when there's faggots like >>16427259 to insult.

>>16427278

>just laughing at Epic

Oh, fair enough. I never bother looking at IDs and posts.

>>16427278

With what limited intelligence we have, I'm pretty sure I and most of the /v/ users you are talking to will be dead or swept up by the chaos at that point

>>16427267

Legal Action you stupid black-pill

>>16427267

This is due to the audience being idiots, which LEGAL ACTION or revolt can't fix, since most people are dumb and you can't change that. You'll just have to abandon the mainstream, unfortunately you lose some production value in exchange for quality. There is still good music and movies being made, they are just smaller things. That's why corporations shoving their noses in shit because of overreach is a good way for them to learn a bit.

>>16427289

Them's the breaks.

>>16427211

Oh dear

>>16427195

Since they already shoah'd their store, next Bethesdashit game.

>>16427195

Red Hook Studios with Darkest Dungeon 2. Then they'll go for the weebshit making a deal to exclusively put the Cold Steel 3 PC port on their store

>a Tencent-invested IP developed with the Unreal Engine by a company founded by former Epic employees

>this is what crosses the line

>not to mention its shit

fucking lol

Fuck

* Steam

* Epic

* normalfagmagnet bad games like Rocketleage

* OP

* OP's thread

>>16426302

It is tencent-chinks, what do you expect? They are worse then EA in that they just buy the company, use them for one game, then dump the corpse.

>>16427262

S-sauce?

>>16427195

me

Remember when gaming wasnt ruined by Retards like EA and Epic Games.

The gaming industry is fucked in 10 years

>>16427547

>PC users for years point to console wars as proof of consoles being for kids.

all while warring over intel/amd, ati/nvidia, 3dfx/nvidia, lanoox/wangblows/osx. Imagine pretending they were ever above it

>>16427195

Falcom

>>16427648

>*action*

>>>/cuckchannel/

This news is our fucking breaking point. Tencent wins. Everything will be centralized to the favor of the powers that be and literally everyone on the planet except us is celebrating. We might as well kill ourselves.

>>16427681

See >>16427271

We told you this once. They are not fighting back. They will obey their corporate masters like the good sheep they are. Chinks and jews will have full control over this medium like they do will every other medium.

>>16427663

>everything will be centralized

Just like how nearly all of PC gaming was centralized on steam?

Its okay when Valve does it…

>>16426367

>implying Shekel League was any good

>>16427633

>literally x3

>>>/reddit/

>>16427730

Valve never made exclusivity deals, if any game was exclusive to steam, it was because the devs couldn't be bothered to release it elsewhere. Unlike the chinks, who specifically pay people to stop using any other platform.

>game out for years

>people interested bought it long ago

>now that the sales more or less dried up they cut a deal with epic for extra shekels

Smart move tbh

>>16427730

I'd rather Epic do it. The problem with Valve is that when you sell almost everything, you have absolute control over the things you choose not to sell. There aren't enough games NOT on Steam to make a valid global storefront out of, this gives them the monopolistic power to determine what gets sold at all. Epic on the other hand is looking to make a "curated" storefront. That means that if they are completely successful, there would still be a LOT of games not on their store. More than enough I think to create a competing store simply by selling what Epic won't.

Anyway, the whole paid exclusives nonesense is exactly how consoles operate. At it's best it helps fund the initial development somewhat. It's still shit but at least with it on PC I don't have to buy their DRM box separately.

>>16426587

You do realize that as a country devolves more and more into leisure economy as Japan has, the more and more lenient it is in regards to sodomy and other such practices? The reason big american-style cities are so rife with sodomites is because they're all entertainment hubs. Dopamine is the faggot chemical.

>>16427744

They can't control what they don't have. Unless they dedicate their store to selling (almost) everything, all they end up doing is breaking the ability to control the market at all.

>>16427748

You really are naive aren't you?

>>16427744

>>16427748

And if it really comes down to it, yes. I choose the chinks over the kikes any day.

>>16427750

No, I'm the only one actually thinking this through instead of being blinded by hatred and falling right into the arms of the kikes on the other side.

>>16426291

So this is how PC gaming dies. In a retarded race to the bottom between Steam and a chink shell company.

>>16427754

Falling for the "curated" argument is not thinking this through. They're just throwing every argument they can to promote the fortnite store. If they gain traction, they can and they will allow every game to flock to them. They have absolutely zero reason not to.

>>16427753

>Being this retarded

Who do you think controls the chinks?

>>16427757

Yes. They are a problem that solves itself. Unlike the Jews who can control shit for millennia, the chinks can't go one generation without fucking themselves into a hole. How long do you really think anything "made in china" will last?

>>16427758

>If they gain traction, they can and they will allow every game to flock to them. They have absolutely zero reason not to.

They will suceed. Soon all games will be on Epic Store and there's nothing we can do to stop them.

>>16427745

>I have, however, the dreadful feeling Sweeney has his eye on Hollow Knight Silksong.

It's basically confirmed at this point. They just haven't announced it yet.

>>16427768

I would rather buy from EA than support China any day of the week. You would understand this if you've had to communicate with them in any way. Awful, rude, and despicable race of people. Do you know that its basically ingrained in their culture to cheat?

I see the issue with online streaming has hit game hosting platforms too.

Wonderful, prepare to have the industry get a hell of a lot shittier.

>>16427195

They've already stolen The Sinking City and are going to market it to Fortnite players.

This is the shittiest goddamn thing.

>>16427826

Yes. As a matter of fact I do know that. In fact that's why China is "safer" in the long run, because a people with cheating as a culture cannot build on each other. The foundation is rotten and the structure collapses every time.

>>16427838

And a shitload of valvedrones in denial.

does this game have viable griefing methods?

>>16427869

You can shoot the ball in your own goal gate, and anger your teammates.

shit game who cares

>>16427828

Netflix is fucked, though. They've wasted so much cash on Marxist propaganda shows they're now forced to go deep into debt and introduce advertisements. Epic is basically doing the same thing, only they're buying up second and third rate developers and games at over-inflated prices and pissing off a lot of costumers. They've yet to prove their Fortnite playerbase actually gives a shit about anything but Fortnite.

>>16426302

Let this trend to continue and the more aggressively they do it the better. The good thing about it is that it can bring the crash much faster, the bad is retards embracing Epic Store. However, I would not call it "crossing the line" in a sense that they have yet to get their hands on developers who make good video games, even Microsoft has better games than Epic Store. If you actually enjoy good video games the only reason to ever get this shitty store is Unreal Engine and that is good for game developer who still have other options.

When they start fucking with developers who can make good games which aren't being enjoyed by normalfags, things will go to shit and Psyonix aren't such developer. If I gave any shit about Rocket League I'd probably grab it long time ago, but not even now I want to bother getting it. For one a good gamedev would not sellout himself to chinks, so it's a win-win situation at the moment. Unless you're related to reddit demographic who love to play modern shitty games there is no reason for you to care.

Corporate gaming western industry is pretty much a dead corpse, even Japanese AAA companies are making mediocre games, decent is best they can get. Only legit independent developers are making good games now which is why industry isn't as bad as cinema yet.

But don't get me wrong, I get where you're coming from OP, things might change, however Epic made it pretty clear that in their eyes those kind of games the games normalfags don't give a shit about are bad quality and they're against "bad quality" games. So far they targeted only the lowest of low AAA shit and bland as fuck pseudo indie shit in 3D. One of those indie games was so bland I don't even remember what was it about or what kind of gameplay it was supposed to be.

>>16426855

>If it's on any console or digital store it's already trash

Fixed that for you, stupid nigger. Your "principles" means jackshit if you're a hypocrite. The only good product is the one a company has no control over.

>>16427228

You're delusional if you actually think that Epic is trying to compete with Steam and don't understand what they do. Their goal is to make corporate friendly digital store and steal your personal information as well, so basically they want to become a completely anti-consumer monopoly. Steam is better alternative and they perfectly understand it which is why they want to eliminate it.

>>16427446

I hope they block CD key owners like DeepShitter did with Metro Exodus on Steam.

>>16427826

>I would rather buy from EA than support China any day of the week

That's the point. They're better because they're the worst and supposedly have less chances to succeed. Chinks are very aggressive when it comes to scam, unlike kikes they don't take things slowly for retards to adapt and thus to accept bad things.

>>16427960

>Chinks are very aggressive when it comes to scam

It's still a chink scam in a place where they can't hide their shit practices or obfuscate what they're up to. It will fail for the same reason every chink company that goes global fails. What works in China doesn't work in the rest of the world.

Rocked League looked pretty barebones but this is still sad.

>>16427984

It's no more or less barebones than any other "e-sports game"

Which is to say, it's fun for a few games with friends, but I'll never understand why people play it for hundreds of hours.

>>16427971

>It will fail for the same reason every chink company that goes global fails

This is my point exactly though. But I do not exclude the possibility for them to succeed completely either, the chance is low and that because I have some faith in humanity.

>>16427987

Read the full sentence. If it going to make people less comfortable I don't mind. I reached the point when shit can't get worse for me, without chink pressure I will not magically get any more of good video games. Now chinks killing the corpse completely brings a chance for an actual better change. What's better though is companies selling their games to chink company instead of consumers themselves which means when chink dry out money there will be no one to help those companies since they're completely fine with alienating people.

Industry can be fixed only by a crash, there is no other way around. Vote with your wallet was always a complete bullshit since majority of the people can't spend their money responsibly.

>>16428009

But how can they succeed? They can keep buying timed exclusives, that's not really going to make people give up their Steam library simply because they have invested so much into it, and I sincerely doubt they have such limitless cash reserves to keep buying up developers wholesale.

If they were smart they'd institute something like GOG Connect to weaken the connection people have to their Steam library and the money and time invested into it. As it stands the Epic Store is still a vastly inferior product that offers very little to attract either developers or costumers over. You don't see Valve needing to outright bribe developers to publish their games on Steam, and that's because they don't need to.

>>16428003

No, it depends on if you're publicly or privately held. If you're a privately held firm, then it's all a matter of how much is your buying price and if anyone is willing to meet it. If you're publicly held, then whoever wants your company can just buy up 51% of your firm and vote to sell the rest of it to yourself. Barring that, they could also vote to sell all of your assets to their parent company, and then butcher you and sell you for scrap. They have controlling share, which means they control you.

Tencent only owns 40% of Epic, but so far as I know it's a private firm, so while Sweeny still has technical control - Tencent is either wearing a money glove and shoving their fist up his ass to use him as a sock puppet, or they still hold 40% of the companies total value which they can use as a sledgehammer to get their way. If they pull out, Sweeny would be left scambling for investors and would likely be forced to open the company up to public trading, which leave them vulnerable to hostile takeovers.

>>16428019

Also, I'm not sure if you can refuse an investor once you're publicly traded. You would think the newly established board of directors would hold discretion - but there was a lot of drama about foreign companies (especially Japan in the 90's and China now) buying up shares of American companies and giving their countries leverage in the event of hostile economic action. But to say everybody can buy, except for you, I think ran afowl of economic discrimination laws (or at least caused a big international stink) unless it can be directly justified as a matter of national security - which vidya are not.

>>16428019

So how do you protect your company? Keep it private and reject all offers?

>>16428032

That's one way to do it. If you're publicly owned and someone is attempting a hostile takeover then what you can do is buy shares back to ensure you retain controlling majority of the company.

>>16427703

Blackpill fag is a fag but you need to remember the inherent imbalance in motivation between people who benefit from promoting cancer and people trying to push it back. Those promoting cancer are usually paid to do it, or stand to benefit ideologically or politically. Those pushing back are usually unpaid or poorly paid, and the only benefit they'll receive is keeping things the way they are rather than having them get shittier. They also expend far more emotional effort and have less time to put towards it. Most of the people review bombing now won't care in a few months.

>>16427267

We're already there for the most part 1/1000 AAA games are worth playing (if that). You know about indie games because you're on /v/, are you engaged with independent films and music?

>>16428057

>and there's other ways to try to destroy your company from the outside

Like what MS did with Nokia.

>>16428067

Nokia was somewhat specific, IIRC, since they "fired" one of their directors, who was then hired by Nokia, and then proceeded to fuck with the company until MS bought them, upon which he was promptly hired back by MS.

Also, shit like Bethesda pulls with independent developers they have agreed to publish games with, where they bullshit them on milestones and refuse to pay until the developer is deep in debt and Bethesda outright buys them.

>inb4 a random Bethcuck comes along and says Bethesda and Zenimax are not one and the same

>>16428014

>But how can they succeed?

If retards bend over they will succeed. But for now I don't see it happening and I hope I don't give too much credit to the people. If they somehow do normalfags would be confirmed to be as bad and worthless as bugmen. There is a reason why completely anti-consumer monopolies exist.

>If they were smart they'd institute something like GOG Connect to weaken the connection people have to their Steam library and the money and time invested into it

They don't give a shit about you as a consumer, for them you're potential moneybag they can exploit and suck dry, they don't want to give you some benefits if it goes against interest of corporates, there is no compromise. Epic Store is a perfect digital store for corporates except it has no consumer base, although its owner can give you big money for not releasing your game outside of it what can help you to secure sales and thus eliminating risk of your product failing to bring profit due to lack of organic sales.

>offers very little to attract good developers

FTFY. However they do attract or rather buy out devs with their money and pro-corporate service which also includes big cut. But again, none of them are good.

>>16428073

>Epic Store is a perfect digital store for corporates except it has no consumer base

And therein lies the whole problem. What's the point of a store if nobody is buying from it? Guess the chinks didn't think that far ahead.

>although its owner can give you big money for not releasing your game outside of it

But only so long as they have enough money to throw around. It's not a sustainable model, especially as the battle royale has proven to be a fickle crowd that will latch onto the next shitty game when it comes along.

And yes, I'm aware that Epic has Fortnite money for now, but they've been burning through their reserves very quickly. It's not just exclusives and buying developers, but setting up the whole store infrastructure, developing the codebase and features and the server logistics. They can only hope their dumb strategy catches on, though I don't see how since all they've been doing is getting bad press, buying mediocre and niche games with small audiences and a studio whose playerbase already has the game and sees no reason to switch to an inferior platform.

I'd like to believe there was someone in charge of Epic with two brain cells to rub together, but so far their whole strategy seems to have been to throw shit at the wall to see what sticks and give the middle finger at anyone that complains at the smell.

>>16428096

>Borderlands 3

Already happened.

https://archive.fo/P0q01

>>16428096

>Outer Worlds

Already happened

>>16427211

you ass

on second note hows the the treatmente of japanese games on epic?

>>16428096

If you're talking about Geisterschiff you needn't worry, the dev is a Codex regular and on the right, throws racial slurs with the rest of them. I've talked about the JW with him a few times.

>>16428101

Aren't those ghost cities built because that's one of the few ways the cities can fill their budgets? They lease the land out, but for that to happen you have to build stuff on it, and since Shanghai took off the chinks are obsessed with buying up real estate. I remember once city blew a nearby moutaintop to make more land available to lease.

Also, most of those buildings will be torn down within a few decades as the land reverts back to public/city ownership.

>>16428080

>And therein lies the whole problem. What's the point of a store if nobody is buying from it? Guess the chinks didn't think that far ahead

A lot of new projects these days operate at at a loss in their first few years, and only attract investors with promises of having access to huge amounts of dosh at once after they are properly set up. This is both faster than letting your project grow "organically" by funding its own growth, and also the only real option if you want to make it into the big leagues in an already established market, since otherwise behemoth companies can either suffocate small competitors before they accomplish anything at all, or buy them out when they start posing too much of a threat. That's how Twitter got big despite things like faceberg already existing, it was bleeding money over and over for years, until suddenly it's one of the essential parts of normalnigger lives all over the world.

Whether setting up your own online store after so many crashed and burned is a retarded idea or not is one thing, but if you decide to, doing anything short of seizing as much of Steam's market share as possible no matter what it costs you while you still have the money to fund that is the only way to go if you don't want it to be forgotten entirely the moment retards move on from Fortnite to the next mainstream piece of shit. They learned that much from Origin. They know that there is no point in a store if no one is buying from it, that's why they are making sure to buy out as many exclusive rights as possible. You can see exactly that in OP.

>>16428126

Not to mention how deep their ties were with Unreal Engine 4's developers, who are again owned largely by Tencent.

>>16428121

>That's how Twitter got big despite things like faceberg already existing, it was bleeding money over and over for years, until suddenly it's one of the essential parts of normalnigger lives all over the world.

Twitter has never been profitable. It is a propaganda tool first and foremost.

>that's why they are making sure to buy out as many exclusive rights as possible

Problem with that logic is that developers need to know that whatever Epic is offering them will make up any lost sales in the critical first year of release. Now, that can be an enticing offer if you know your game is a steaming pile of shit (Obsidian and the Phoenix Point devs) or you're desperate for cash (Gearbox), but when the game comes out and it doesn't really sell all that well all you've achieved is prove to developers/publishers that it's better to say on Steam/their storefront rather than risk the PR disaster an Epic exclusive is turning out to be.

I know most companies operate at a loss initially, that's a given, but the way Epic is handling this is a complete disaster. They're making it an attractive offer to developers, sure, but that only remains true so long as the developers can be assured they'll make more money on Epic rather than on Steam, and I sincerely doubt that is the case for most games that aren't complete and utter garbage.

>>16426398

> lucky fluke

More like forced success. Anyone who thinks Rocket League was some underground indie hit is a clueless retard at best.

>>16428080

>What's the point of a store if nobody is buying from it?

That is precisely why they want to eliminate Steam which has big market share. They want people to force using their shitty store and when there is alternative it's difficult to do so. This is why monopoly is a bad thing. They simply don't want you to have a choice. Either you use their store or you won't be getting your favorite game on less anti-consumer platform.

This is how Tencet got on top despite being anti-consumer, they pretty much own IT industry in china. They have no competition there and cooperate with the government to destroy one, and Tencent is one of the worst companies in existence since forever.

>It's not a sustainable model

No fucking shit. It's just a matter of time, really. They probably expect to do significant damage to Steam or even kill it by the time they run out of money, that's the whole point. To make profit they have to reach their end goal first and the cost does not matter.

>developing the codebase and features and the server logistics

If anything, I believe they put the least amount of investment into this. They likely spent more on botnet tech. This shit is probably the worst piece of software produced by a big company I've seen.

>>16428096

>Gears 5

MS isn't desperate for big chink money, they have American government behind them for fuck's sake. They want people who would provide them long term support. Besides if they seriously wanted to sell out to chinks it would mean their complete defeat as an American IT company and that would probably make American image even worse.

>>16428132

>I sincerely doubt that is the case for most games that aren't complete and utter garbage

You see things from your own prospective of view. For normalfags those games aren't shit which is why they express disappointment about all this exclusivity disaster. Hell, most of them even afraid for the rest of their favorite shitty games with shitty developers going Epic exclusives too.

>>16427195

Bannerlord

>>16427747

Kinda hard to avoid big cities when you live on a tiny island.

>hurr durr muh sodomy

They still have a very homogenous population, which is better than can be said for many first world nations.

>>16428292

The issue isn't the leisure economy, but Jews. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a kike himself.

>>16427195

Dying Light 2

>>16428096

>Gears 5 (duh)

That won't happen, Microsoft already has its own store and they've released games on Steam.

>>16428382

>who gives a shit?

People who dont want to install 20 different game services.

>>16428395

I would say its the people who are happy to install 20 different game services are spineless consumer whores who are part of the problem.

>>16428411

Pirating is a pain in the neck these days when games have constant patches.

>>16428411

>Just pirate faggot,

I dont play rocket league but I would imagine its not trivial to pirate the game and play on the official servers?

>>16428476

You have the choice to not buy the games, you faggot of missing principles. If they do anything anti-consumer, don't give them money. Very simple and beneficial to your wallet. If you truly have to play something from a company that treats you like shit, pirate it. I kept supporting this industry for decades, and they just treated me worse. The "ha ha why should they care about you if you won't buy from them" faggots need to blow a shotgun; it isn't the consumer's responsibility to support awful products and services in the hopes that companies will stop peddling said awful products and services. Support it and they will only come up with even more Jewish schemes, because you've shown them that you'll support them regardless.

>>16428009

>which means when chink dry out money there will be no one to help those companies since they're completely fine with alienating people.

when the chink money train leaves station because their bug country implodes we'll have bigger things to worry about than some sjw numale devs getting canned (in fact when the economy crashes hard those will probably among the first strung up anyway, being in commiefornia and all)

>>16428502

<why does it matter that companies are making the game industry even more shit

<why does it matter that thus game developers and their games will also become more shit

Truly a mystery.

>>16428411

He's a normalfag. He doesn't have an opinion on anything. He just wants to waste money on multiplayer video games because "owning" games makes him feel good inside.

>>16428476

>It's not like us consumers have much of a choice anymore.

you always do, just don't buy

>launcher

you mean botnet client?

Is there a reason my posts keep getting censored? Have we at last come full circle and returned to the same petty mod corruption circa ~2010 4/v/ where a mod would ban you for criticizing Valve? How the fuck is Epic Games store any different from Steam? They're both flagrantly anti-consumer DRM systems. Pointing this out in a thread clearly about the topic isn't "console wars".

>>16428528

Steam is shit, Epic is shittier. I didn't make the thread, but it sure as fuck has a good reason to exist and considering your interpretation of it you're too dumb to realize what it is.

>>16428476

>>You wanna buy X game? Then download our launcher!

I just dont buy the game if its not on steam.

I dont buy it if its overpriced either. If I think its a $20 game but they are asking $50 then Ill just wait till its $20.

I totally respect people who wont buy a game if it has any type of DRM. But thats not for me.

>>16428537

>>16428537

>How the fuck is Epic Games store any different from Steam?

Steam was launched 15 years ago.

Epic games store was launched last week or something.

>>16428537

Because your posts are barely related to the topic at hand and you don't seem to be able to understand how dangerous Epic is. This is not a problem that is solved by piracy, which you visibly cannot grasp through your virtue signalling. No shit pirating is better, where do you think you are? It's still Tencent and Epic essentially executing a hostile takeover of the PC market without any benefit to anyone who likes video games.

>>16428563

Yeah. All the benefits of being there first by about a decade.

>>16428556

>steam is shit -> steam censors games a little and it pisses us off -> devs cowtow to steam's rules anyway

>Epic is shittier -> censors games more because chinks -> games become even worse

Also

>another program

So you're a Steam using cuck? Or is it Battle.net? Please don't say it's uPlay. Nice of you to admit it.

>>16427108

Nier Automata deserved that award, not "What if Trucks Played Soccer 2015"

>>16426342

>I'm glad Steam is losing, but at what price.

"Oh boy I sure am glad that users will need to install twenty different storefront softwares instead of just one"

>>16426302

>epic crossed the line

>after it already poached multiple other games from the steam store

>b-but its totally not just about this one

>>16428520

>pirate all your games

>"wow i can't believe this market doesn't cater to me and my fellow pirates anymore"

so it leaving steam is so far just conspiracy theory? am i missing something here?

>>16428096

Absolutely nothing of value was lost except for maybe Hollow Knight.

Exclusives aren't even the problem with the game industry you fucking losers. This is an "exclusive" that is still available on PC. IF IT WERE ON A SHITBOX OR SHITSTATION THAT'S WHEN EXCLUSIVE ARE BAD YOU IDIOTS.

>>16428599

well yea its not like suddenly buying games will change anything, you already ruined your hobby forever

>>16428565

Cool straw man but I haven't been arguing for pirating unauthorized copying at all. In fact, my solution to the problem of DRM (of which Epic game store can trace its lineage directly from Steam) is for people to grow a fucking spine already and completely abstain from DRM-crippled games.

>a hostile takeover of the PC market without any benefit to anyone who likes video games

Oh you mean like Steam? Welcome to my world, 15 years ago. Who exactly is the console/platform warrior here?

>>16428603

>Exclusives aren't even the problem with the game industry you fucking losers. This is an "exclusive" that is still available on PC. IF IT WERE ON A SHITBOX OR SHITSTATION THAT'S WHEN EXCLUSIVE ARE BAD YOU IDIOTS.

OUT OF ALL THE FUCKING SHIT IN THE GAME INDUSTRY YOU ABSOLUTE LOSERS THINK AN EXCLUSIVE THAT ISN'T EVEN PLATFORM EXCLUSIVE IS AN ISSUE. NEVER MIND THE TRASH GAMES HUH? FUCKING ABSOLUTE FUCKING IDIOTS.

>>16427203

>Kenshi.webm

>>16428603

>This is an "exclusive" that is still available on PC.

DRM exclusive =/= PC game

It might as well be on a console.

>>16428620

DRM is on Steam too.

>>16428586

A lot of people here like to play these saucy Jap games.

Stuff like that is all totally banned from the epic store.

>>16428251

Fuck off.

>>16428625

Yes? That does support my point.

There are actual people trying to improve the QUALITY of games and all the whining I see is about technical bullshit. Exclusive being bad is a THING because it's about PLATFORM.

>>16428652

It's not even the same as console wars. With console wars it mattered because exclusives meant you can't play. With this and Steam, you still can since both are PC.

>>16428603

>>16428650

>>16428611

>these random capitals

Go back to wherever you came from.

>>16428650

Diversifying your game library to multiple store services, due to exclusivity, only multiplies the risk that one day a portion of your library will become inaccessible.

>>16428662

>next time I'll use Epic

Said no one ever.

>>16428672

Maybe redditors.

The amount of desperate chink shill chaff in this thread is astounding.

>>16428666

Hey Satan.

>>16428657

Thats my point though. Whats the point of Epic trying to start console war style bullshit when both stores are on the same system? Its just making Epic look retarded and petty.

>>16428636

>So you mean they won't be interested in buying Jap games with fanservice?

Im not up on all the terminology. But for some bizarre reason some people here like to play pornographic games instead of just watching regular porn. I presume thats what you mean by fan service?

Personally I dont think theres much that should be banned or censored.

>What's your real issue here?

Probably that game developers (particularly smaller ones) will focus so much on avoiding the censorship banhammer that their games will lose a lot of their potential.

>>16428579

>He likes monopolies

You deserve to be fucked in the ass with steam.

>>16428696

>I dont think theres much that should be banned or censored

>implying anything should be banned or censored

Steam is already censored

>>16428705

>he is okay with chinks

You deserve to be boiled alive and then eaten by a mob of starving chinks

>>16428717

Yeah, but at least they don't censor blood, skeletons, the concept of sex, the War of the Three Kingdoms, Pooh Bear, and anything that puts communism in a bad light.

>>16428705

>competition is good even if epic is more cancerous than steam in everyway

>>16428705

>I'd rather have a bunch competing cocks ravaging my asshole at the same time rather than just one

>>16428729

Tencent is desperate and chinks couldn't shill organically to save their lives. When even reddit calls out your blatant bot spam to shill your puppet president you know you fucked up.

>>16428732

You're missing a few.

>doesn't know the different between censorship, premeditated censorship and outright deleting games

I guess that means Epic is more anti-censorship because they haven't deleted any games yet

>>16428715

I would only censor games that promote degeneracy. Such as trying to convince kids they are trannies. Things that can ruin peoples lives.

I would just have a 25 year age rating for stuff like that so people who see it are already mentally mature.

>>16427195

HI™AN becaue warner kikes will be disappointed with sales and not enough bashing whites on top of the inherent anti-semitism of season 1 and racism of 2. (^:

>>16428796

Stay mad chink.

PSA: You can't play Epic Store games offline.

>>16428796

>Implying it's bad to be anti-chink

>>16428842

But i can play with your mom offline

>>16428705

There's already competition aside from Epic. I prefer good competition rather than having to choose between a douche and a turd sandwich.

>>16428840

Most gamers will just say "fuck it" and pirate everything if these walled gardens keep popping up and hoarding exclusives. PC is suppose to be open, but people have been either going back to consoles or pirating because of what's going on now.

>>16428889

>cuckchan memes

Worse than steam by any measure.

>>16428889

>Cuckchan meme words.

You have to go back.

Most Gen Zs use Epic because of Fagnite.

>>16428840

Platform's holding exclusivity over certain products isn't competition.

Its the same with video streaming exclusives.

The idea of competition is that groups compete with better prices, for at least retailers.

However exclusives remove that.

>>16428723

>Hating steam means you like the chinks

>>16428750

There's GOG.

>>16428756

>He is ok having anyone ravaging his asshole

>>16428847

Yeah, but you have that one faggot complaining about having multiple platforms because he is a faggot.

>>16426342

You're never going to see a dominant videogame storefront/drm client as fair and as hands off as Steam ever again.

You faggots are so fucking stupid.

>>16427195

I'll be pissed if they go after my weeb games like Yakuza, GE3, mhw, etc

I have put an ungody amount of hours into this worthless fucking game, and I thought the keys and shit I bought were helping out a small indie company put on of my favorite esports and develope they're fucking game. I've hated psyonix for years now, they are unimaginzative hacks who don't know how to inovate their fukcing game and that gap was filled by modders and map makers. But here we fucking are. Psyonix holds the middle finger to all of us and slobbers all over epic's cock before plunging it into they're shaved and bleached asshole. They have done the bare miniumim for four fucking years and we have endured that. Sure they enabled cross platform support, impressive yes. But why the fuck are you're servers still shitty as fuck, why does the car not steer correctly half the time because of that heavy car bug, why have you done FUCK YOU.

>>16427689

Look at the reddit thread they're mostly pissed, sure there are a few cumguzzlers, but those people are more then likely plants

>https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/bjleng/psyonix_is_joining_the_epic_family/

I have a couple of screenshots, but im can't be fucked to crop them down, all the negative comments are on the top.

>>16428705

You're genuinely retarded if you think we're going to get anything better than Steam you stupid fucking faggot.

Steam is far from ideal, but it's better than every other company out there. The Steam model is better than most video and music digital stores for Christ's sake.

And if you just absolutely hate having steam running, then use a no steam crack.

This is as good as were going to get, because without a client of some kind. Do you seriously think these developers want us to have control over the hardware they put their games on?? Without some kind of dominant platform to sell their games through, these companies will pack up and leave pc gaming behind, just like they did in the early 2000's.

Fuck people like you. You're stuck so far up your own ass, smelling your own farts that you can't see how bad it could get.

>>16429057

>Steam is far from ideal, but it's better than every other company out there.

GOG

Playism

Direct2Drive

some 20-30 other digital stores out there that let you download directly via their website and don't push their own cancerous DRM onto developers

Eat more shit.

>>16429062

Thanks for proving my point dumb fuck.

Those alternatives exist because Steam isn't a shitty company like epic (or EA or MS).

Do you seriously think that any other company would allow competitors like that to exist if they had the influence to bully the market the way epic is trying to do?

God you're so stupid.

>>16429075

Almost like killing a game that tons of Steam users play was part of the plan all along or something.

>>16428857

>piracy

It will return, for sure, as this only gets worse.

But this also means that pc gaming will probably eventually lose those titles that can be pirated and we'll see any games left on pc released under a "games as a service" model.

Before steam, the pc gaming scene was nearly dead because piracy was too common and heavy handed drm was far too common.

>>16429069

And how in the fuck would they do that, again? How do you prevent a competitor from existing? Perhaps in physical stores you can have influence due to limited shelf space, but what are you going to do when everything involved is digital data?

>>16429085

Don't forget consoles were actually convenient back then.

>>16429086

You're genuinely stupid. I wish I knew you so I could tell you "I told you so" in ten years, if Epic (or anyone else) dethrones Steam on pc.

>>16429069

Whoa hol up. I thought I might have misread something and gave you the benefit of the doubt from your previous post. But you're seriously using the benevolent-lord-and-master-Steam argument, aren't you? There but for the grace of Steam, we have GOG! Hallelujah! Even in the youngest, most naive version of myself, I never could imagine having this sort of reality-warping company loyalty.

>this chink not realizing we can see he's hopping IDs

>>16429098

Nice argument.

And Mcdonalds is a great company because Burger King and Wendy's exist, rights? And Walmart is great because Target exists? And fucking Google is phenomenal because Bing and Yahoo exists, as well, right?

Steam has no reasonable way of preventing competitors from existing. Neither does Epic. Steam has a monopoly, and Epic might in the future, but neither could ever shut down a limited, small competitor from existing in GoG, Gamejolt, Itch.io or any of the numerous jap game sites oriented towards h-games or just "anime-themed" games. Even if you were to enact some sort of exclusivity requirements (which would most likely just make any significant company use their own clients as many do anyway), many games are exclusive to non-Steam clients anyway, especially porn games. What will they do? Bribe devs? Devs can say no. Buy the sites out? Sites can say no. Aside for that, what could they possibly fucking do, within any capacity?

>>>/v/16429123

Now this is some prime chink asshurt.

>>16429133

>Steam, despite being a monopoly, cannot prevent competitors from existing. Neither could Epic.

<WOW SO YOU HATE STEAM AND LOVE EPIC

Are you fucking retarded? I'm just explaining that this bizarre implication that Steam is somehow holier-than-thou for "allowing" competitors to exist is retarded because they couldn't prevent shit even if they wanted.

Did I anywhere at all imply that Steam is worse, or even equal, to Epic? I don't like either for a multitude of reasons, but of course Steam is better than the chink botnet. I pirate everything anyway. I don't understand this idiotic fucking bootlicking attitude of needing not only to pick sides, but to worship said sides. If I said "Nintendo is better than Sony in terms of censorship", that would not make Nintendo good, that would make them very slightly less shit. But I wouldn't go out of my way to fucking worship Nintendo. You shouldn't worship Steam either, just because it's better than Epic, it's what allowed all of Steam's shit practices to take hold in the first place.

>>16429075

>Do you think the game will survive on epic without the steam workshop for modding? If normalfags figure out that they need mods to have fun in the long term, and you cant buy the version with mods anymore that would create a lot of negativity.

It's survived on ps4 and xbox for this long, it would piss off a few people who felt like they missed out, but the majority will be apathetic or oblivious. The game will just die a little bit quicker because people will get bored of solo queing 2v2 for the next couple of years. I don't think this game is going to pick up any new players though, the fortnight kids aren't going to be interested in a 4+ year old game that has a huge learning curve before they can even compete at a diamond level and

>The devs could create their own workshop, but its not that easy and they would need the modders to endorse it. Or they could just disable modding on the steam version to make them both equal.

If they were to add anything it would be very tame and limited compared to what modders were doing two years ago. And this is psyonix, I doubt that they'll be able to tack on a sandbox to an already existing game without breaking it. They have no talent there. They can't even fix an audio bug. Plus they haven't shown any intention of adding features as simple as scrolling through training packs, so I don't have a lot of hope for them to create things that make up for the loss of steam workshop and bakkes mod.

>>16429153

he's not wrong in the regard steam showed there's good money to be made just having a storefront. the industry is hardly creative and simply tries to ape the biggest moneymaker (see all the wow/dota/etc clones). as much as people like to bitch about steam they could be much worse considering their position - and don't forget all those jank stores and copy protection shit they made irrelevant alongside it.

>>16426367

>Everything you like will turn to shit

>Thumbnail is BFZ

hey atleast we're maybe getting better now

>Nissa

ok nevermind i'm still mad. i thought we were finally free of her

>>16428705

Steam's monopoly has been far less fuck-in-the-ass than the retail outlets that Steam was replacing. Before Steam:

>want to buy any PC game that's more than a year old or not part of a super popular genre

>call up retailer

<"no we don't carry that"

>call another retailer

<"no we don't carry that"

>repeat several times until you find one that has it

Until Steam I pirated the vast majority of my games because the convenience of pirating vs the hassle of actually finding a place that was selling whatever game I wanted severely outweighed my desire to support developers. And those retailers were competing with each other but somehow delivered massively worse service than Steam's monopoly.

>>16429265

It wasn't the retailers competing, it was publishers buying shelf space exclusivity, trust me it wasn't WalMart's decision to have a full shelf of nothing but Sims expansion packs, effectively locking out competition. Sound familiar?

>>16429404

I don't really care what excuses you want to make for this or that retailing piece of shit, they didn't sell PC games so they deserved to lose the PC gaming market to literally anyone who was willing to sell PC games (this happened to be Valve). If you fags didn't want Steam replacing retailers then maybe your precious retailers should have actually sold the games we wanted to buy.

>>16429265

You're retarded. Before steam and other digital distribution:

>could buy the game from many stores, pick the one you want to support

>no matter where you bought the game you'd be able to play with everyone else who bought the game

>no matter where you bought the game you'd be able to get future patches and expansions for the game

>if the store you bought from shuts down it's irrelevant to your game

>only had to deal with cd-keys and disc-checks which could be avoided with a small crack.

There are games I own now that I cannot legally get patches or DLC for because the devs ended up getting on steam and now only distribute there.

>>16428689

>Whats the point of Epic trying to start console war style bullshit when both stores are on the same system?

It's because it's a hostile takeover of the market by Chinese suits. That's why it matters to them.

>>16429431

>could buy the game from many stores

You could buy the game from some stores.

>pick the one you want to support

Which would be none of them because they all offered abysmal service.

>no matter where you bought the game you'd be able to play with everyone else who bought the game

Same as online sales.

>no matter where you bought the game you'd be able to get future patches and expansions for the game

Same as online sales.

>if the store you bought from shuts down it's irrelevant to your game

<GUYS STEAM IS GOING TO GO OUT OF BUSINESS ANY DAY NOW ALSO THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS PIRACY HURF DURF

How do you even manage to breathe when you're this retarded?

>only had to deal with cd-keys and disc-checks which could be avoided with a small crack.

And with online sales I don't even have to deal with either of those.

>There are games I own now that I cannot legally get patches or DLC for because the devs ended up getting on steam and now only distribute there.

<waah I can't get shekeled for DLC, woe is me!

Why do you play shit games that have a DLC model?

>>16429478

>>no matter where you bought the game you'd be able to get future patches and expansions for the game

>same as online sales.

Lies. A Hat in Time misses features on GoG compared to Steam. Rain World is behind in updates. And this isn't uncommon, apparently, but those are just two games I happen to like.

>>16429278

The Steam sales are about partitioning out demand.

If you have 2000 people willing to buy a game at $60 ($120k total )

and 7000 people willing to buy at $30 (210k total)

then in order to get all 9000 to buy your game you need to eventually price it at $30.

The trick to getting the most money is to sell the game at $60 until the 2000 people buy it then switch to $30 to get the rest of the consumers.

With un-partitioned demand, (selling the game for only $30) you only get $270k in total. By selling the game at only $60 you get only $120K since the rest of the customers aren't interested in it at that price.

With a staggered distribution (selling the game for $60 then $30) they get far more. $330k in total

You can't drag your feet on the sale either or else customer attention for your game will fizzle out. Then those 7000 people interested in it being 50% off will move to greener pastures if it takes you 3 years to cut the price.

Also, If you have a group of 500 people who are willing to by a "Special Edition" you can price the game at $150 for even more profit ($75k total)

So basically, Steam and the developers make a lot of extra money from the sales.

The reason why EA, Activision, and all the rest don't have sales is because they are retarded at making money.

They have the same mindset as developers had before the Atari crash. "If we just put the pretty light-show in front of the goyim they will keep buying."

It never occurred to them that people will move on to other hobbies if video games are priced high with nothing to show for it.

>>16429054

>Look at the reddit thread they're mostly pissed, sure there are a few cumguzzlers, but those people are more then likely plants

They'll gladly accept it in 2-3 years. They always do.

>>16428588

>after it already poached multiple other games from the steam store

It hasn't though. This is the first time that Epic has bought out a developer of a successful game that's been established for several years, in order to sell it exclusively on their own store. They haven't done that before, it's always been games that are yet to release or very close to it. With this shit, they've bought out a dev so they can remove it from steam and put it on their own store, years after its release date and continued success.

>>16429521

>worst thing is that loicensing shit where you dont own anything, they just let you have it untill they take it away from you at any time for any reason

This is patently wrong.

Video Games, (and all software for that matter) are Classified as GOODS

When you buy a Good that means you get ownership of that good.

If a corporation denies you access to your good that is a crime under law.

The EULA is all smoke and mirrors bullshit that doesn't matter in court.

The only way they can truly, legally, take away your ownership is if you have a subscription.

If you have a subscription, paying $15 a month or so, then that classifies the Software as a SERVICE.

Which means you don't own it.

This is why they are trying to pivot to Game Streaming. Because it will come with a monthly fee and you will truly have no ownership.

Of course, this will fail. Because it's been tried before. MMO's heavily used subscriptions for monetization for a time, and the genre completely crashed.

People are fine paying a WoW subscription, but not fine with paying a monthly fee for 5 different games at once.

People are fine paying for a Netflix Subscription, but not a Disney Subscription, Crunchy Roll, and HBO Subscription at the same time. (This is why Game of Thrones is the most Pirated TV series of all time.)

Subscriptions tend to suck the air out of the room and everyone's profits get gassed for it.

>epic store is good because its stopping steam's monopoly!!1!

<starts its own monopoly instead, only with chinese spyware this time

And cucks will defend this

>>16429518

most have sales these days because they figured it out after a while. which makes timmy saying "sales=bad" even more retarded.

> "If we just put the pretty light-show in front of the goyim they will keep buying."

to be fair that always worked to some extend and for some reason even more so the last ten years.

>>16429521

nothing wrong with convenience, just don't turn into a retarded drone that eats shit like some normalfag blizzfags.

plus half it is just the side effect of too many retards. almost every game has progression and achievements now, hence you need a way to track that shit. also means you can't have fun cheats that might affect cheevoes.

modding and hosting can easily be done but companies don't support because it costs more and creates more competition for their games/dlc and their planned obsolescence (and it's not like every game back than was super duper modding friendly or gave you access to everything. fuck you novalogic, where are the 150 player server files?)

>ubisoft

it's funny tho, ubisoft went from full retard to least cancer in the industry.

>>16429420

I'm not making excuses. I'm actually agreeing with you and if you'd get your head out of your ass you'd be able to see that.

>>16427296

>Legal Action

<What?

>black-pill

<I'm literally advocating for people to fight against this shit, how the fuck is that a black-pill?

And how will you fight against it?

Here's my solution, which is to let history repeat itself.

In the 40's Cinema Studios started clamping down on the distribution of their films.

They made it so that Lionsgate Movies could only be watched in Lionsgate Movie Theaters (Sound Familiar)

Eventually this resulted the anti-trust lawsuit "United States v. Paramount Pictures (1948)"

The decision made was that:

EXCLUSIVE DEALING ARRANGEMENTS IN CINEMA WERE PROHIBITED FOR BEING IN VIOLATION OF ANTI-TRUST LAWS

(The Irony of the matter is that it took Anti-monopoly laws (Anti-Trust Acts) to take down a state-sponsored monopoly (Copyright law))

The precedent has already been set in court. The fact of the matter is that Technology has moved so fast that the law is playing catch up.

All it takes is one lawsuit and this whole house of cards falls apart. (That or you could abolish/limit Copyright and permanently solve this legal dilemma)

That is what I mean by legal action you dumb cunt.

>>16429478

>shilling for Steam this hard

Grim Dawn steam users and GOG users cannot play together. Same for Ashes of the Singularity.

Grim Dawn is often behind with the patches. Project Zomboid is the same way, it is often months behind.

Who are you quoting that said steam is about to go under? However, if it does go under which at some point will happen, nothing lasts forever access to the games will be lost. Other sites, like Indiegamestand, Desura, and Shinyloot have gone down and people can no get patches or DLC for those games without rebuying the game on another site or piracy. Of course, why should a paying customer have to pirate in order to use something they purchased? Might as well pirate from the start and save the money.

No, instead you just have to deal with the possibility of your game being completely unavailable unless you pirate it which is much worse.

All DLC isn't shit, but it's convenient how you ignore the fact that I cannot get patches for some of my games.

Do us all a favor and go eat a bullet.

>>16429265

The difference is that game I bought from Gamestop 20 years ago still doesn't have DRM. As rotten as retail can be, their evil still ends after the sale. That game I bought from Steam 15 years ago still has DRM.

>>16429669

If Steam really wanted to make it difficult to pirate their shit they'd bother beefing up their DRM. As it is, it's trivial to remove Steam's DRM.

>>16429669

In both cases it's up to the publisher. You can buy DRM free games on Steam, and you can buy DRMed games at Gamestop. or you could if they still sold PC games

>>16429689

>and pushes the DRM with developer/publisher incentives

proofs?

>>16429693

Steam CEG/Steamworks is typically part of a package including centralized server backend support from Valve. A good example of this in action was how the Magicka developers eventually reneged on their original promise to provided direct peer-to-peer connection support and a DRM-free release and fully crippled the game with Steam.

>>16429521

>worst thing is that loicensing shit where you dont own anything, they just let you have it untill they take it away from you at any time for any reason

That's not true though. The "license" part of a game you buy refers to the intellectual property, NOT the copy of the game that you bought. When you buy a game you own your copy, the license part of it is simply saying "yes you own Doom 3 now but you don't own the Doom franchise, that is licensed for your use." If you buy a car, you own that car, but you don't own the manufacturer of that car, nor do you own all models just like it.

The real problem is that nobody has taken this to court yet in a class action specifically in relation to video games, which allows ethically dubious actions by corporations to continue unhindered, like shutting down servers for a MP only game.

>>16429689

>then maybe they should stop using it

I imagine a lot of publishers/developers want the storefront to feature some sort of baked-in DRM they can make use of.

>All that does is reward them for fucking you in the ass.

I'm just saying that if Valve wanted to, they could make pirating Steam games a whole lot more difficult.

>but according to Valve I've never actually owned it

According to the law you don't own any game, or movie, book, comic et al. What you are actually buying a license to privately view the product. Blame the kikes (chiefly Disney) for turning IP and copyright laws into the nightmare they are today.

>>16429707

>like shutting down servers for a MP only game

To be fair, what is the alternative? It's not feasible to keep the servers up indefinitely, and even if they wanted to share the code with the fans so they could run their own severs (not that many companies want to) they likely can't due to all the middleware and proprietary code involved.

>>16429758

>what is the alternative?

Allowing communities to host their own servers. Sometimes this requires executable modification in order to tell the game to look for a different master server list. This is where the cease and desist threat comes in.

>>16429758

>Rework all servers to be P2P-based versus hosted on a central server.

>Release all server tools so people can host their own servers.

>Dump all necessary server-related tools so random people can reverse-engineer them and have their own server hosting tools.

>>16429713

>according to the law you don't own any game, or movie, book, comic et al. What you are actually buying a license to privately view the product.

NO

FALSE FALSE FALSE.

The copy of media is Licensed under copyright. Correct. However this license does not negate your ownership.

This means that the media is the Intellectual Property of some suit, not their actual property.

The Copy is YOUR property. You just cannot: A) Claim to be the creator of this media. B) Reproduce/sell this media without the creators consent.

You can however record, edit, manipulate the product all you want because you do own it.

The problem with games is that parts of the game, like multiplayer code are held hostage by the corporation.

Even though you have paid a settled amount for this feature of the product, it's ownership is not given to you. Which, in my opinion, is illegal.

I do agree though that Copyright law is a fucking mess and the easiest way to fix all this shit would be to abolish it.

>>16429807

go make a youtube video about it fgt

>>16429821

What an amazing counter argument.

>>16429758

>To be fair, what is the alternative?

There is no alternative. Which is why it's illegal. (If you paid a settled amount, like say $60)

If you paid a monthly fee than they have no legal obligation to ever give you access.

This also opens up a can of worms for micro-transactions. Because, if you are buying horse armor DLC for Fortnite for a settled amount of say $20, then that means you are buying a good.

If Fortnight becomes unable to be played then that means Epic is creating a denial of access for that good. Which is illegal.

Because even though the game is free, you have still purchased a good within that game that should be made available to you.

>>16429833

I imagine it's all currently in a legal grey area, but we'll eventually see this stuff make their ways into the courts. Sadly, considering the money involved, I can envision the corporations getting their way just like Disney has been doing for the past century.

>>16429819

This faggot already did.

I basically goes over all of the legal points I already did.

He also points out that corporations are working to trick people into thinking they don't own games through things like EULAs and shills like this guy. >>16429821

>>16429846

>I basically goes over all of the legal points I already did.

He basically goes over the same points.

>>16429821

My apologies for pointing out objective facts that contradict an oft-repeated falsehood. I'm guessing if someone corrects you on Stalin's height or Hitler's hair color you resort to calling them a communist or nazi.

>>16429856

Nice assumptions fag, what else are you going to pull from your ass?

>>16429868

Can you think for yourself or do you email ross for all your thoughts?

>>16429887

So you're super triggered that somebody dared to contradict you and/or you're trolling. When someone counters your claims you don't want to counter those, you just wanna fling insults, because you're a thin skinned autist who sees arguments as a personal attack. Let's go, on with your next string of spastic tantrum attacks, that's surely prove that I'm in the wrong here.

>>16429897

Something tells me you've never heard of the Fallacy fallacy!

>>16429905

You sound mad as FUCK 2bh fam

>>16429846

Is Ross organizing a lawsuit?

>>16426398

Jesus Christ this is the most boomer fucking post i've ever seen on this board.