29109b No.16422742
With Coculus and Faceberg holding their VR event today and officially dropping the release date for their new headsets, what better time to ignore all of that and talk about the Vive Index instead.
>1440x1600 RGB LCDs
>Runs at 120Hz natively but can be underclocked to 90Hz or overclocked to 144Hz
>Claims to have "20° more FOV" than most HTC headsets, which would put it around 130° FOV
>Headphones that don't touch your ears so everyone can hear your watching porn, but there's an audio jack
>Front panel contains a USB 3 Type-A port for add-ons or something
>Lenses are a double element, canted lens design
>Requires connection via a 5m tether, 1m breakaway trident connector. USB 3.0, and DisplayPort 1.2
>Built-in mic for screaming at children
>$1,000 for the whole package, $750 for the headset and knuckles, $500 for just the headset, and $280 for just the knuckles
https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index/headset
https://store.steampowered.com/valveindex
Oh, and I think the Quest releases March 21st or something.
Are you planning on getting a headset? Do you think VR is stupid dumb poo-poo? What do you like/hate most about VR?
5b6375 No.16422755
cb931d No.16422768
Anyone else old enough to remember that somewhat based on Flowers for Algernon movie about VR in the early 90s called The Lawnmower Man?
29109b No.16422784
>>16422768
No, but I remember the Simpsons and King of the Hill jokes about virtual yard work.
05c087 No.16422805
>>16422768
>based on Flower for Algernon
I'm pretty sure it was based on The Lawnmower Man.
f636c8 No.16422862
2880x1600x144hz sounds good
That tiny fov
Still no virtual link
8d38ee No.16423151
I remember watching a broteam video where it cuts to a camera on the front of the headgear. Why the fuck would it even need one?
1472db No.16423181
>>16423151
To record you jerking off, obviously
23aad2 No.16423189
already a thread >>16422734
f6b646 No.16423258
>>16423151
you can look through the cameras and see whats happening in the room around you without adjusting the headset. apparently the new one has depth perception so it can show you if something is too close to your playspace.
f636c8 No.16423262
WHERE ARE THE FUCKING GAMES
ad726b No.16423313
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16422755
As long as it can run VRChat you can still grope gay rabbits all day long
1472db No.16423735
>>16423313
This is how the future's going to be. Non-stop gay furry flirting. You know what, bring it on, I'm getting used to this whole clown world idea.
dddc31 No.16423774
can someone sum up vr threads in ~10 typical posts?
c66533 No.16423775
>>16423313
Humanity was a mistake.
0218fa No.16423785
Where is the flesh light attachment?
1472db No.16423807
>>16423774
>Hey guys it's VR
>GAMES WHEN
>It's a gimmick
>SHILLS GET OUT
>Shit's expensive
>[Pavlov VR or Boneworks get posted]
>Porn is pretty good though
>FULL DIVE-IN VR OR BUST
>Waifu age soon, get fucked 3DPD
>[That one image about some guy getting lasered in the eyes some guy posts in all VR threads]
598bd8 No.16423813
>>16423313
that's kinda cute tbh
cfb236 No.16423820
File: ea7c8d654af21ce⋯.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 2.81 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, Bolgy_Wolgy___OwO_What's_T….mp4)
>>16423813
I'm sure you'd like this as well.
1472db No.16423828
>>16423813
To be fair, those pseudo-nanachi designs are far cuter than the usual furry shit
ad726b No.16423831
>>16423813
it is, it really makes me wish i had the money to fall for the vr meme
>>16423735
I agree completely because i'm also used to the idea of non-stop gay furry flirting
0a95bb No.16423844
>>16423820
Please stop posting this
d2c12a No.16423845
>>16423813
Nanachi is cute. Just have to forget their is a gay furry behind the avatar persona.
c44c04 No.16423851
>>16423845
true lets forget with this.
29109b No.16423865
>>16423785
That'll be $160, please.
20adb7 No.16423866
Is the Rift the best cheap headset still? This one looks overpriced.
21c198 No.16423879
>$999.00 for the whole package.
>$927.00 if you bought each item separately.
This is fucking hilarious. You're actually spending more money on the package then just buying them all separately.
8911f1 No.16423881
File: 7e2b377c3fb1dfd⋯.mp4 (Spoiler Image, 3.87 MB, 640x352, 20:11, 302b4e1338c0568bb895fa311a….mp4)
cfb236 No.16423883
>>16423865
I remember a video about Indiegogo robots that showcased this thing, and it was the only project in that video that shipped a finished product (at the time, I think one of the robots shipped later on). The creator of this thing commented on the video, making fun of the robot projects.
575f92 No.16423892
>>16423879
Ah it looks like you get two base stations in the package, making it $1076 altogether
28db74 No.16423893
>>16423879
Shipping?
But seriously wtf.
29109b No.16423909
>>16423866
Pretty much, but Oculus discontinued it on their site and replaced it with the Rift S. You can still buy them for their retail price on ebay, but it would probably be best to wait for the S. Windows is also coming out with a comparable standalone headset and I've heard good things about the Samsung Odyssey. Oculus PC headsets require Windows 10, but there are user made drivers that make them work or lower Windows OS.
So to answer your question, yes.
af98ed No.16423911
>>16423820
The words "animation" and "meme" put together awaken irrational hatred in my being
563f88 No.16423941
>>16423820
You can only post this so many times before I cease to care.
ad726b No.16423968
>>16423820
Every time I see that video I cringe slightly but then my dick cringes too and by cringe I meat it gets hard and I jerk off
eccd5c No.16423983
>>16423968
Do the germans have a word for shameful agreement?
563f88 No.16424001
>>16423983
Yes I believe it's something along the lines of "urafaggot"
e1af9a No.16424436
>>16423313
Countless men have died fighting for a future worth passing on to their descendants. And this is what you have done with that future.
f2a21b No.16424677
I'm trying to remember the name of a VR game. It's set in a space station in zero gravity, you are a maintenance android, you move by pulling yourself along hand-holds, if you sustain enough damage in the course of your duties to destroy yourself you occupy another android body and the remains of your old one are floating where you left it.
f636c8 No.16424749
WHERE ARE THE HEADSET SELLING GAMES
28c611 No.16424757
>>16422742
>$1000 buckaroos for the package
Called it, now anon owes me $5.
You can get Windows Mixed Reality headset instead and it's pretty much the same shit but cheaper. I got Lenovo Explorer for $200.
>1440x1600 RGB LCD per eye
>90 Hz
>100 degrees FOV
>4-pin jack, works with PS4 headsets
>no gay headphones included
28c611 No.16424766
>>16423151
It's for sensorless tracking. You can also watch real world though these while in VR without taking the headset off. All current headsets use these so yeah.
f2a21b No.16424767
>>16422805
Have you read The Lawnmower Man? The movie was in no way based on the short story and King fought to have his name taken off of it.
28c611 No.16424774
>>16423866
No, Windows Mixed Reality is. Although Oculus is not far off, for $400. I mean, the build quality is good, but it has literally the same specs as everything else and it doesn't support Steam games - not without intense fuckery with third party drivers and you get performance hit for doing this, too.
a0e05a No.16424792
>>16424757
>no gay headphones included
yeah you got ear speakers instead with OFF-EAR AUDIO
68a8ad No.16424804
2cdc06 No.16424811
>giving $1000 to cancerous American corporations
>for an experimental toy
Just spend $300 on one of the many quality Chinese brand 4k VR headsets. There are plenty high refresh rate options already.
68a8ad No.16424814
>>16424811
>american corps are cancer
alright, I'll hear you ou-
<give money to the chinese instead
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623727 No.16424823
Can you just upgrade the Vive headset? Can you use the Base stations from the original vive?
Are they discontinuing the old vive?
e7cf84 No.16424834
Better wait for another generation of headsets or two.
Also no games, porn still sucks. It's just a glorified vr chat machine.
68a8ad No.16424835
>>16424823
It sure sounds like they're ditching the old Vive. Pretty shitty too after launching the Vive pro not even that far back.
5919f0 No.16424847
>>16424823
You can use the old base stations and controllers with the new headset. The new controllers also work with the Vive, And to my knowledge the Vive isn't being discontinuing
226d3a No.16424853
>>16422742
The biggest issue I still have with VR is that I would chuck out a couple of hundred to get a headset, and then I wouldn't know what to fucking do with it. Do I have to get special VR games? Are there any which aren't tech-demos? Can I use it just to play regular games? It still doesn't seem worth it even after, what, 3 or 4 years since it's become more wide-spread?
06dc5b No.16424859
>>16424853
You have your choice of flight simulators, racing games, and Japanese pornography.
226d3a No.16424860
>>16424859
That still doesn't seem like a whole lot of choice. I might be interested in the Jap angle if they do more things like webm related, but apparently the tech has been side-lined to deal with the 2D craze brought on by Virtual Youtubers.
054ff8 No.16424868
>>16424853
I forgot which card but nvidia had a discontinued series of video cards which was compatible with converting games to VR. So if you wanted to you could try playing Unreal in VR, but I don't have a clue how much of a headache that'd give you when you start doing the impossible movements your body isn't capable of.
2cdc06 No.16424874
>>16424814
go back to /tv/
e42a96 No.16424878
>>16424859
I'd do it for the porn, but I'm not convinced there's enough of it. Plus I probably have to finish learning japanese first anyway.
093208 No.16424887
WHERE ARE THE GAMES THAT MATTER
GUITAR HERO KNOCKOFF ISNT GOING TO SELL ME THIS DEVICE
a2bb26 No.16424913
>>16424436
Kind of feels good dancing on the graves of our forefathers tbh
43438a No.16424948
>>16423881
Nothing quite like a good bonfire.
43438a No.16424951
>500 dollarydoos for a VR headset
>280 for the controller
Still way too expensive for be to even think about bothering, especially since I don't even know how bad the motion sickness will be.
a0e05a No.16424952
>>16424887
>not knowing guitar hero was a knockoff
db79ee No.16424992
>>16423151
Still shilling your shitty channel since the time you started your shitty channel eh? I didn't forget you shilling your shitty tiny channel all those years ago on halfchan /v/, you didn't fool me for a second you unfunny retard.
fe090b No.16424997
>>16423313
The quest will but the restrictions are massive. Think PS2 graphics because VRChat runs like hot fucking garbage. Not one of the avatars in that video are quest ready.
I have to admit, after having spent a long time in vr with a reasonably big group, my first reaction to that video was that they were all the same fucking unoriginal avatar but the longer I watched the more I thought consistency of the characters was really neat. We had a single day where a bunch of us had halo avatars and it was awesome but actually getting these fags, let alone myself, to keep a consistent avatar theme would be awesome.
>>16424951
You get used to it pretty quick and some games are worse than others. I get carsick after an hour in the back seat of a car. After a month of pretty light vr usage I don't get even the slightest hint of it after several hours in vr at a time. Pavlov was really bad for giving me motion sickness in the beginning but I played four hours of it in a row today and didn't feel it at all.
000000 No.16425077
>LCD instead of OLED
No thanks, I'll take OLED's deeper blacks over anything an LCD might offer.
>headphones that don't touch your ears
That actually sounds nice. If you live alone, that is. I don't, and some of my fuckbuddies in vrchat are pretty loud.
>1079 eurodollars
hahaha no
In any case, I'm content with my rift for now, I just want an affordable full body tracking solution at this point.
2cdc06 No.16425093
>>16424834
>It's just a glorified vr chat machine
vr right now is for people who want "friends" it's basically discord 2.0
f2aad7 No.16425157
>>16424860
that's just a step towards making anime real, someone has to lay the groundwork.
the main problem is still the chicken/egg problem of low adoption -> low incentive to cater to low install base -> low adoption because nothing to use it with .
and the index will do fuck all in that regard, worse for that price there's not even industry incentive to support it
>muh pinky tracking
>muh roomscale
why the fuck bother when majority of headset and controllers don't support it? companies can't even be assed to do the bare minimum for pc ports, who does gayben think will invest time and money into those features? fucking psvr aim has more game support than that (while costing a FIFTH of that shit)
8d38ee No.16425209
c02449 No.16425285
>>16424677
that's Echo
they made a separate multiplayer version called Echo Arena/combat that's the zero g laser tag from enders game
29109b No.16425491
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16425077
>I just want an affordable full body tracking solution at this point.
You can get full body tracking with an Xbox 360 Kinect for $10-$20. You can usually find them at Goodwill for cheaper if you've got a couple of those around where you live. This video is a year out of date but the developers of the Kenect4VR drivers made an update about a month ago.
171c8f No.16425492
>>16424757
Unfortunately people have caught on to the fact that the Lenovo Explorer is the best mixed reality headset so now it's jumped over $300. There's one from HP for $240 that seems to be functionally identical. I guess maybe I'll check that one out.
69e4a4 No.16425509
VR is too new and too expensive to be anything but a niche hobby and streamer bait, which it has been for years now. Until the price drops enough that more people can reasonably get into the hobby, people aren't even going to bother spending the time to properly design and develop shit for it. Also, VR gives me headaches.
695626 No.16425545
>>16424757
>Not mentioning inside out tracking that you will get annoyed with and want to replace after a month.
Thats the deal breaker and why the Rift S sucks ass. Base stations are the best way to track and im buying all this shit + 2 more basestations to have the most autistic and best setup possible. Only thing im mad about is the lack of wireless, I got used to it and having to go back to a cord is lame.
131b09 No.16425726
>>16425509
I don't think it's too expensive. If you want to pay the absolute minimum to get into VR you can buy a used PS4 for close to $200 and PSVR costs $200. So it's possible to get into VR for less than $500. If you want to get into good VR though, yeah it's a good $1100 minimum for a VR capable PC and a headset/controller bundle.
eccd5c No.16425986
>>16424757
>Win10 required
how about no.
216b01 No.16426056
>>16425509
play more to get used to it and to find out what doesn't work in your case. I can get sanic in farpoint/firewall, but smooth turning still fucks me up a bit.
>>16425726
1k+ is definitely too expensive, especially when half it is for features that have hardly any (roomscale) or literally no (knuckles) game support.
psvr is a step in the right direction, but you're still limited by the walled garden - otoh sony actually invests in games and makes sure new stuff has game support, even when limited (the aim is the best example that you don't really need an expensive treadmill or other stuff to simulate locomotion and makes fps as easy to get into as a traditional game). which in turn also adds incentive for developers to include it support - how many devs will now make games or even features that absolutely require a knuckles controller?
b2a431 No.16426067
>>16425986
>>Win10 required
>how about no.
win7 and win8 work just fine with my rift. but you do have to set it to a "Legacy mode". but from what I can tell you don't lose any functionality (maybe some performance because no directx 12)
eccd5c No.16426095
>>16426067
>rift
Learn to read, he was clearly talking about Windows Mixed Reality.
68682e No.16426260
>>16423881
Awful loss.
Judging by the treads on that tire, it still had a lot to live for.
e1af9a No.16426305
>Valve Index
>Launching for more than it costs to build a whole computer to run it
Boy I can't wait until this is on sale for $1 with $699 in shipping.
I tried to find a picture of Gabe eating a money salad, but combination of words "Gabe Newell" and "Salad" literally broke the image search.
29109b No.16426391
>>16425509
Very right, and as much as I hate to see (((facebook))) and the Quest possibly doing well it might create enough of a demand for a wider variety of games when and if the masses get headsets. Time will tell with these kinds of things, but smaller user created projects will always the cornerstone of variety since AAA developers don't like to taking costly risks.
>>16426305
>Shitting on the toilet
>Not shitting IN the toilet
68a8ad No.16426875
>>16424874
Go back to your tencent masters, faggot.
171c8f No.16427084
>>16426056
I think the game plan of the VR market is too use the enthusiasts to pay for development and making it cheaper. All the dipshits who are willing to pay thousands for a good PC and headset are just useful idiots who are going to help it become more affordable in the future. The loss of richfags will become the gain of poorfags
f2a21b No.16427258
07769f No.16427272
>>16425491
Damn I never considered the Kinect. Last time I dug that thing out was for gmod when they added kinect support
fc81e1 No.16427334
>>16424860
>all this effort to produce something that is easier in 3d and looks better in 3d aswell.
fc81e1 No.16427338
>>16426067
>no directx 12
microsoft ported dx12 to windows 7 a long time ago. not like that matters much since you can use dx12 anyway with dxvk dlls
000000 No.16427408
Are there any libre VR headsets and software for them? No? Then I ain't ever buying one I can't fix myself. When I say libre I mean source code to the entire thing is available to the SOC's proccessor microcode to the streaming protocol from your computer.
898751 No.16427420
>>16427408
OSVR is probably the closest to what you describe, but the last time i looked at it was years ago so no idea if its still around.
29109b No.16427538
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16427272
I forgot to mention that Kenect4VR is a locked behind a paywall, but you can usually find the newest version on the typical torrent sites. If that's too much of a hassle there's an alternative called KenectToVR which is completely free and works just as well.
>>16427420
The developers of OSVR have moved onto OpenXR so it isn't officially supported anymore, but people are still trying to use the OSVR HDK to try and make their own headsets.
07769f No.16427672
>>16427538
Does OpenXR work on more headsets besides one discontinued headset that was originally made for drones?
602ffa No.16427953
>>16422862
It's got Virtual Link support.
26d600 No.16428052
>>16427118
>that 5th one
Unfortunately I just realized that there is 100% guaranteed to be regulation covering underage VR.
a17e53 No.16428072
>>16423911
>animation and meme
You mean like that animeme shit?
2dde9f No.16428090
>>16424853
You can play a whole lot of things in VR in various ways, and each method has its up and downsides. The one basic program you need is Virtual Desktop, which just translates your desktop into VR, and allows you to easily watch anime and VR porn. Some anime work surprisingly well with VR despite obviously being in 2D.
With VD you can also play many games through VR, in 2D, the advantage of this is mostly just in reducing eye strain. Then there exist various plugins that you can fuck around with and turn many regular 2D games into split-screen 3D.
Then lastly you have games that actually support VR, you can pirate a decent number of them and they're usually fairly easy to run.
616f2e No.16428100
>>16422768
Yes.
The second movie was complete shit that reconnected the whole story for some bullshit kids movie that, considering there isn't a third, didn't sell well.
40dd5e No.16428119
>valve probably understand market and they will make cheapest VR set!
>its 1k$
>no games announced
Was acquiring rights for Dota the last profitable business decision of valve?
c9dcfa No.16428148
>>16423807
>>[That one image about some guy getting lasered in the eyes some guy posts in all VR threads]
That image is an edit from a Star Trek TNG episode where a VR game is used to brainwash the crew.
216b01 No.16428405
>>16427084
yeah, that would make sense in a market where you're already the lead so companies have to follow you either way.
the problem I see is that being cheaper in a few years means fuck all when the market completely followed someone else' tech and implementation (have fun watching microsoft or facebook set the standards, what could possibly go wrong?). who the fuck needs pinky tracking now for games? and since the majority has oculus touch/vive wands/whatever the wmr thing is there is zero point for devs to support it properly either when it's literally the niche of a niche control option and they want as many sales as possible. fuck even valve's own shit will be perfectly playable with wands since only targeting the 500 or whatever few index they sold would be fucking retarded.
the only way to push it far enough into the market so devs can't ignore it due to marketshare is to make it cheap so everybody has one, but that won't work for 300 fucking dollars, you can get a fucking console for that price.
it's the same with lighthouse, how many companies went with that instead of either doing their own shit or go with inside-out? htc's "highend" did fuckall for the market, and neither will do the index. and like knuckles devs will cater to the lowest common denominator meaning seating/standing stuff.
the smart thing would've been make knuckles work with 1 front faced base station, then sell the combo to break even or even eating the loss, and reap the markups once you're in the lead. ideally provide 2-3 games impressive enough people want knuckles even more. but then
>valve
>making games
171c8f No.16428413
>>16428405
If Valve wanted the Index to sell so there'd be more games designed for their Knuckles controllers, they'd sell it at a loss. I don't believe that this $1000 price tag is being sold at a loss. It's at least a $150 markup. Their new VR set should be sold for the same $700 as their first one because as it stands, they're asking the price of a VR capable PC just for the VR kit itself.
216b01 No.16428483
>>16428413
the price for the HMD is reasonable. 150 for ONE base station is ridiculous when one of the main points of lighthouse 2.0 was to produce it cheaper, and the original was already 60-80 bucks for oems iirc. fuck there's even a teardown where the components are 40-60 bucks or something.
knuckles might actually be worth the price due to r&d and tech inside, but that's a moot point when their only use is in some business or niche applications, which means valve wants 300 bucks for a fancy early access tech demo that has a good chance to never be worth it for the vast majority of people.
another thing is how robust that shit is. lighthouse 1.0 had plenty of issues just using it normally, knuckles will be dropped or thrown around - who's gonna pay for the replacement?
a85c47 No.16429028
>>16428148
Don't they have the holodeck? Why would they need VR?
60de49 No.16429100
>>16429028
it was just a small portable and basic vr game they could play wherever that was actually doping them
nothing like an actual holodeck simulation.
e1af9a No.16429430
>>16428148
>That image is an edit from a Star Trek TNG episode
It's also from one of the worst TNG episodes in the series, where Wesley is written as the hero that saves the Enterprise. Also, it's not even a good game they're playing. IRL, Wheaton is the one who ended up brainwashed - and no surprise, he doesn't know what good games are either.
2752d9 No.16431532
As someone who really wants a VR kit and will be getting one somewhat soon and has not actually played VRChat, how do you get that kinda avatar?
5ae798 No.16431639
>>16431532
For avatars already available in VRChat:
>Find and download playermodel through in-game public listings
>Or go to an 'avatar showcase' room and interact with the podiums
>Or ask another player to send one to you
For pre-made avatars you find on the web:
>Create a Unity ID, and download the Unity client
>Create a standalone VRChat account (separate from Steam), and download the VRChat SDK
>Open the SDK in Unity, go to settings, enter VRChat login details
>Import the Unity package containing the pre-made avatar, and open the 'scene' file
>Show Build Control Panel > Build & Publish, enter a name and description, then Upload
For all other models and avatars:
>Follow previous steps to set up VRChat SDK
>Open model-editing program of choice (eg. Blender), import / build the model
>Export the finished model in a format Unity will recognise (eg. FBX)
>Continue previous steps
Also, even without any VR kit, you can run VRChat like a normal game and do all of this shit right now.
ad726b No.16431691
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16424997
>Think PS2 graphics
I would be perfectly fine with living in a PS2 game. that does make it sound better. but even though i know it's SUPPOSED to be cringeworthy i just can't complain about cute furry critters no matter what they are
f2a21b No.16434147
>>16429100
It was the future Virtual Boy.
563f88 No.16434149
>>16431532
I wanna fucking kill you.
171c8f No.16434175
>>16431639
You'll get bullied if your play VR chat without a VR setup. Some servers are more relentless about it than others but at the very least people are gonna talk down to you.
07769f No.16434395
>>16431532
If you're a totally worthless piece of shit you can clone someone's model or check out a model server to grab some
Alternatively you can take ~25 minutes to rig a model you already have, it's easy as fuck.
b707a7 No.16439860
ARE YOU READY FOR THE FUTURE OF VR
07769f No.16439885
>>16439860
Is it really the future when we're dealing with obscenely bloated spec requirements and Premiu''m consumer tech?
f0c185 No.16439902
319d66 No.16440265
>>16426391
>The shit that comes out of him is small enough to fit in the toilet.