432252 No.16418194
I just replayed MGS2 and the plot still doesn't really make any sense to me.
I can understand Solidus, he loathes the Patriots and wants Arsenal Gear (well technically just information inside Arsenal but whatever). I can sort of understand Ocelot, there are some problems with him but if you accept that he's a Patriot spy then he at least has a reason for being there.
But why was Raiden sent there? What was his goal? I suppose the idea is that he was a test subject for their brand of social manipulation, but what purpose did he really serve? The AI says itself at one point, "What use is one soldier, no matter how able, to us", couldn't you immediately turn this question on their whole Raiden manipulation thing? And even if you wanted to manipulate Raiden or a Solid Snake clone or something, why send him to *Arsenal Gear*?? Not only is Arsenal Gear a crucial component in their plans, but it's heavily implied that the AI or "consciousness" is in some part housed *inside* Arsenal Gear. Isn't this the very last place you want to send crazed psychopaths and gangs of terrorists? You know, in case they upload a lethal virus then crash it into Manhattan? Why are they so reckless with this thing?
And why did they let Solidus hijack Arsenal Gear, or even enter the Plant to begin with? They already have very bad blood and they know what his intentions are, why not just kill him?
Also, why did the AI blab to Raiden anyway? It doesn't serve them any purpose and it's almost done off-hand, Raiden doesn't even call them, they phone in and are like hey we're a spooky AI that wants to rule the universe. How about just don't tell him your plans? In case he survives and gets away, which is exactly what happens five minutes later?
48c134 No.16418198
>>16418194
>the plot still doesn't really make any sense to me.
No shit.
b953a3 No.16418227
holy shit who fucking cares
96b1c4 No.16418237
A lot of the game is supposed to be confusing to instill the sense of being under the control of shadowy forces who are manipulating the flow of information. You're supposed to be left asking if any of what you saw even happened. MGS4 throws a spanner in the works a little bit, by being a more conventional story, and having to establish which things absolutely did happen, and which things did not.
ae1cfa No.16418244
>>16418194
>But why was Raiden sent there?
From what I recall, Raiden is a test subject, and the whole operation is more of a proof-of-concept than anything else. They tried to demonstrate that given the right circumstances, anyone could become Solid Snake. The first MGS really highlighted that you shouldn't have to follow your genes and your predestined path (well, if we just ignore the fact that even if Solid Snake was given all the worst genes, they were the worst they could find in a super soldier). So, if you could recreate the entirety of what Solid Snake (the lesser of the two snakes) went through, and turn him into the alpha male, then you could do it with anyone else.
ab7060 No.16418257
its sad how much destruction happens in MGS as a whole just because of misinterpretation of Boss and Big Boss will
66fd53 No.16418258
its the same plot as MGSV TPP where you get tricked into playing as not snake whilst doing the ss3 program to be more like solid snake, which is just a repeat of the original MGS game with slight variations to test if the method works with different controls put in place, you do all the work for snake because he died on that tanker 2 years ago, special agent iroquois pliskin takes all the credit and everyone goes back to normal despite you learning that raidens life was one big test to see if they can raise a supersoldier.
I wish some cunt would just rip all the assets and make an MGO out of it since emulating, playing a PS3 or attempting to play that dogshit MGO3 is too much hassle for the average bear.
54689f No.16418279
The plot is that both Evangelion and MGS are connected, however in MGS's timeline second impact never happened, Adam was never recovered, and NERV/Gehrin's technologies were sold off to create biologic-based weapons like RAY and the Gekko from Lilith's flesh. The MAGI technology was used create the Patriots system. SEELE through its US puppet organization, the Patriots, is heavily crippled and degraded, but still wants to further human evolution and thus the S3 plan was created since they can't initiate another impact.
96b1c4 No.16418286
>>16418257
>go to space
>"dude, are those cows small, or far away? What if there were no borders? Am I high on radiation?"
>"so you're saying, we force everyone to speak the same language with parasites, and control society through AI, while running weird cloning experiments on the side?"
>"so you're saying, we create perpetual war so soldiers will never be left without a job to do, and also build robots that fire nukes?"
ae1cfa No.16418287
>>16418279
So I was wrong. Thanks for clearing that up.
db9315 No.16418296
How do people still not understand MGS2? Do you just not pay attention or something? Asking "why was Raiden there" is a dead giveaway that's the case.
54689f No.16418302
>>16418287
I mean what I just said might be unbridled headcanon autist, but it sure is fun to believe though.
96b1c4 No.16418307
It's funny how a wishy washy message of "we iz all da same, innit brud", lead to untold destruction. Imagine that happening. Aha. hahaha!
359e40 No.16418310
>>16418194
Stop listening to memes. The only real message in MGS2 was that soyboy Raiden was the righteous successor of cishet Snake.
All that crap about the information war is simply bad plagiarism from GITS.
54689f No.16418317
>>16418310
Raiden was a Chad compared to Snake.
Snake was a faggot who moaned on about muh genes not u and constantly failed at shit with his buttbuddy Hal.
Raiden was a Child soldier at birth, has a hot Fiance, destroy multiple Metal Gears, and became a badass cyborg. All David did was get old and whined.
5d3988 No.16418321
>>16418194
You don't understand kiddo, the utter brilliance of the MGS2 plot is just 3DEEP5U. This is literally the deepest example of writing in all human history, assuming Kojima-sama is human, because it could be argued that he has ascended into godhood.
Now listen carefully, the minds of mere mortals like us won't be able to fully grasp the plan of a superior being like Kojima-sama, but I will do my best to explain the plot to a mind lesser than my own.
The Patriots AI engineered the Big Shell incident by covering the S3 plan as a simulation of the Shadow Moses incident and misleading Ocelot and his sentient arm to further manipulate Raiden into following the real Selection for Social Sanity program and test the AI's framework for molding world events and individuals, which would be used by the GW within Arsenal Gear to create context in online mass communications which would prevent the degradation of human consciousness caused by the excess of frivolous information, this is brilliant because it sounds profound despite making zero sense.
8c3539 No.16418329
>>16418194
As far as I can remember Raiden is sent in to stop Solidus while completing the SS3 program. Something along the lines of "simulation isn't enough. Real experience is needed."
When the chase for Arsenal begins the testrun is already out of bounds. The way I see it, Solidus was supposed to die on the plant. The plan failed and the Patriot AI had to improvise a way to stop Solidus and keep Raiden under control.
Why they reveal their whole plan in the end seems more like hackfraud writing / bad guy trope.
432252 No.16418331
>>16418296
Well, why was he there?
It can't be for creating another Solid Snake, as Ocelot was apparently led to believe, because it's revealed he was tricked.
If it's for the social conditioning/fake history thing then why Raiden? Why send him to Arsenal Gear? It would sort of make a little sense if the situation had evolved organically or outside the Patriots' hands, but they're supposed to have puppet-mastered *everything*. Basically they engineered an attack on their own vital piece of equipment because ??????
And it's not like they even get away with it, either! Arsenal *does* get captured, it gets crashed into Federal Hall for Christ's sake.
The only thing that's said to have not been controlled was the appearance of Snake, which also doesn't really make sense either. I mean it raises his stature in our eyes but if these people or AIs or whatever were so all-powerful you'd think they'd at least assume he was going to show up.
432252 No.16418338
>>16418329
Yeah, the best I can surmise is that he was sent to stop Solidus. It's where it's revealed that wasn't the true goal that the game goes off the rails for me. Plus by blabbing to Raiden all they've really done by the end credits is get their fancy Metal Gear ruined and create another Solidus in his place.
4635c3 No.16418354
>>16418194
>expecting anything produced in Japan to have a cohesive, sensible plotline that you could understand.
5d3988 No.16418357
>>16418331
You're trying to think of the Patriots as a rational entity, as a character acting within a consistent world, but the AI is not a character, it's a plot device designed to deliver increasingly disconcerting what-a-tweeeeest moments. Logical consistency was never a concern, inconsistencies can be easily masked with the smoke and mirrors of big words aimlessly juggling lofty concepts.
0e60bc No.16418369
>>16418194
>what purpose did he really serve?
to prove its effectiveness before implementing it on a wide scale.
>The AI says itself at one point, "What use is one soldier, no matter how able, to us"
they had different motives
> Isn't this the very last place you want to send crazed psychopaths and gangs of terrorists?
its was to test the system. the entire purpose of dead cell.
>And why did they let Solidus hijack Arsenal Gear, or even enter the Plant to begin with?
struggle within their own ranks.
>why did the AI blab
flaw with AI, or possibly to manipulate him further. pretty sure the AI was infected at this point.
>How about just don't tell him your plans?
pretty sure the AI was still infected at this point.
457c47 No.16418372
>>16418286
Big boss didn't misunderstand her will, he decided she was a retarded zogbot and her vision impossible so he fucked off to create a disgrutnled veteran club on the shore near Costa Rica then once it grew he moved it to South Africa
Imagine Rambo: First Blood if John Rambo didn't decide to get back to the army for sequel bait but instead traveled abroad to fight for whomever pays him to and excell at it so much he creates a nation of mercenaries
ab7060 No.16418396
>>16418295
sounds like misinterpreting to me, just more elaborately explained and not specifically about them as heroes but what they were trying to do
5d3988 No.16418412
>>16418369
Arsenal Gear was not part of the simulation and there is no logical reason to risk it.
1142d8 No.16418426
The plot makes sens, it just doesn't make sense in context of the other games because most of it was retconed in latter in MGS 4.
1142d8 No.16418429
0e60bc No.16418435
>>16418412
how was the simulation not part of arsenal gear? arsenal gear masterminded the entire thing.
d1a878 No.16418442
If you want a cohesive Metal Gear Solid experience, then either play MGS1 and ignore every game released after it, or play MGS3 and ignore every game that takes place later on in the timeline.
e49775 No.16418446
>>16418321
The story is not that deep. It's just that retarded nigger monkeys like you can't understand it with your GRIDs racked brain.
66fd53 No.16418447
>>16418426
>retconned
except it wasnt, everything that wasnt answered in MGS2 got answered it MGS4, there was no retconning youi stupit faget
5d3988 No.16418448
>>16418435
AG is a mobile fortress hosting the censorship AI, there is no reason to conduct the Raiden bamboozle right where AG is hidden.
5d3988 No.16418451
>>16418446
Joke's on you I was only pretending to be a retarded nigger monkey.
44df03 No.16418456
Jack, do you remember what day it is tomorrow?
I replayed it about two weeks ago.
>But why was Raiden sent there?
They literally spell it out for you, the whole thing was an exercise to see if S3 would work.
>Not only is Arsenal Gear a crucial component in their plans
Arsenal was just bait for Solidus, they even tampered with Emma's virus to make sure they wouldn't get discovered.
>why did the AI blab to Raiden anyway?
For theatrics.
Everything was planned perfectly except for Snake surviving the tanker incident and then showing up at the shell.
He and Otacon were unexpected and unaccounted for which is why they managed to find out who the Patriots were.
6ef555 No.16418457
>>16418194
Raiden was supposed to take Arsenal back for the Patriots.
f73e4d No.16418465
>>16418194
Raiden is given a social background (when he has none) as part of a first experiment on social control and then sent in because while he's a good soldier already, he's a rookie when it comes to this shit.
The whole point is trying to determine whether or not if Big Boss genetic information (snakes clones) really is special or that a similar set of circumstances (as MG1 MG2 and MGS are largely similar) any "normal" soldier would also prevail. The parts that differs from MGS are intentional social tests for Raiden to test their initial social brainwashing program.
This program is fed through the IA on Arsenal gear which is purposely infected and purposely damaged… to test what happens. The other IA grow from this, the arsenal one is "the more powerful to date", but that doesn't mean anything as they're others and they can always make a new or upgrade themselves.
The IAs that explain shit to him is not the same as the one that was manipulating him, it tells it like it is because the experiment is finished (and it worked) and it just want him to do shit (so it just directly threaten to kill everyone he loves). He explains because Raiden ask and there is no point in not explaining since it's done.
It's not MGS 2 that doesn't make sense… it's MGS 4.
Ocelot was allowed to recover and keep the Arsenal IA???
They kill them with a computer virus based on the same one they've immunized themselves against already???
5d3988 No.16418475
>>16418465
Why create an impossibly expensive mobile fortress with an army of real nuclear-equipped latest models of Metal Gears only to destroy it as part of a simple experiment to test some bullshit that's more philosophical than anything? What is so special about the S3 plan that couldn't be tested through simpler means in a controlled environment? Why make an elaborate plan to censor the Internet if it was just meant to be ruined as part of the simulation?
96b1c4 No.16418479
>>16418475
Because it was all VR
1142d8 No.16418495
>>16418447
Anon alot of Raiden story was retconed in 4 and then retconed again in Revengence. You're just being a silly goose.
6a65cf No.16418499
>retards still not ready to admit Kojima is a hack and the Metal Gear narrative went to shit a long time ago
44df03 No.16418508
>>16418475
The S3 plan is all about ensuring that the ordinary people remain clueless slaves and do what they are told, thus keeping the world going and making sure no one rocks the boat ever again.
In all honesty, I agree with the Patriots' plans – the common man should not be free because he doesn't know what freedom is and it turns him into a clueless animal.
1142d8 No.16418513
>>16418499
>redditor cryin "NEVER BE GAY OGER!" still not ready to admit that MGSV was the best game
>not smart enough to realize it's plot was designed to leave you wanting more
>longing for what was seemingly lost
>the missing third chapter was leaked to induce phantom pain in the playerbase.
>it's wasn't rushed or unfinished.
jeje
66fd53 No.16418515
>>16418495
>retcon
There was no retcon you faggot, Raidens story changes because his history doesnt exist, it was created for him and changed to suit the needs of whoever wants to make use of him. You just dont understand the kino and ludo that is Kojimas hack tier writting.
1142d8 No.16418527
>>16418515
>kino
oh I see your just a faggot from /tv/ (which means your really from /leftypol/). If there was no retcon, then how do you explain pic related? Oh that's right because Ocelot was also retconed in both MGS3 and MGS4.
0e60bc No.16418546
>>16418448
wasnt the purpose of bamboozling raiden was so that he'd interfere with dead cell and prevent them from doing what they were trying to do?
raiden was trained by arsenal gear, and brought there by arsenal gear, in order to defeat the "terrorists" attacking arsenal gear.
5d3988 No.16418592
>>16418479
Arsenal Gear actually crashed in New York in the real world, it was not VR.
>>16418508
That doesn't answer any questions.
>>16418546
First the purpose of the simulation was said to be a recreation of Shadow Moses to test whether Erect Penis was the result of genetics or his experiences. Then a tweeeest revealed that Ocelot got bamboozled into believing that and telling it to Raiden, while the real plan was to test in some vague way wether the Patriots' social engineering actually works. Both of these tests are equally retarded and immensely impractical so the tweeeest didn't really change much nor made any sense.
382063 No.16418603
>>16418513
Assuming that was the point all along, Kojima's still an out-of-touch hack because there's enough "phantom pain" in the video game industry. Being a Mega Man fan alone is enough.
66fd53 No.16418607
>>16418527
He wasnt retconned either, do you even know what retconing means?
8820a2 No.16418608
>>16418527
3 wasn’t too bad, in fact, it makes the Liquid possession seem even more plausible because Ocelot is the son of The Sorrow, who is a powerful spirit medium. Meaning that Ocelot could have had enough acumen to channel Liquid’s spirit. But Kojima had to use “science” explain all the wacky supernatural shit, so in the end it just became Nanomachines. Just like the rest of the Cobra unit became “lol, parasites”
1b283d No.16418611
>>16418321
this tbh. the problem with OP is that he's approaching metal gear as if it's a standard western plotline, without realising it's actually 90s anime but with realistic graphics instead.
356f16 No.16418632
>>16418227
Why do you faggots take the time to go "holy shit who fucking cares" if you don't care? It's more like you're mad that someone else has something to say.
0e60bc No.16418733
>>16418592
>>16418592
>st revealed that Ocelot got bamboozled into believing that and telling it to Raiden, while the real plan was to test in some vague way wether the Patriots' social engineering actually works. Both of these tests are equally retarded and immensely impractical
youve been bamboozled into thinking the AI was being truthful, and everyone explaining wasnt being bamboozled
c6b5ad No.16418873
>GW is feeding Raiden information directly to his brain, and shown to be able to appear as rose as well as the colonel to raiden.
>Multiple characters involved let it slip that they know more about Raiden's "role" in things, importantly including GW-rose and GW-colonel
>When GW seemingly gets corrupted, he sends various Raiden deranged codecs, and talks with him as rose and the colonel equally
>at the SAME TIME as this, the literal reality of things is breaking down, first with hundreds of ninjas attacking, but more importantly–
>Raiden fights those RAYs at the end on a giant digital platform straight outta something you'd see in a VR mission, then just crashes into fucking federal hall and kills an ex-president in power armor in a katana duel, then receives snek's uplifting speech among masses of npcs just passing by.
<people still think mgs2 wasn't a simulation
Raiden outright says to Snake that he's had a lot of experience in VR, but not reality, and themes of this pop up repeatedly in the game. He's shaped up to be the player where Snake is a bigger-than-life hero who's very much unlike the person playing him in MGS1 (and 2's intro). The line between outright "it was all a simulation" and "it was all all real" is blurry, because none of it's real, in the meta way of being a video game. Kojima loves his fourth wall breaks, and interacting with the player directly instead of just by proxy of the character being controlled. Even if you feel the federal hall bit's just normal mgs insanity, which is pretty fair and actually returns to relative normality after the blatantly GW-affected sections, the truth is clear as a whole. This doesn't mean everything that happened was any less "real", given it's all fake, but a lot of shit in mgs2 doesn't try to make sense because kojimbo decided he wanted to fuck with reality and the player in this game in a more unique way than he did before. Applying too much logic will make some things fall apart because it wasn't entirely real in-narrative or out. Gay as it might sound he was making an "experience", and given we're Raiden it's obvious we're not gonna have an easy time seeing the whole truth/reality. S3 is about making Raiden do the same shit as Snake in mgs1 and making you do it, while also being as a whole about manipulating information in the way GW reveals, because everyone was asking for kojimbo to make another MGS1. He did just that, and made tons of allusions to the first game to make it super obvious what he was doing, while still making his own additional points and commentaries through GW and Raiden.
P.S. This post is for you, you faggot, you know who you are.
6ef555 No.16418897
>>16418873
>Raiden outright says to Snake that he's had a lot of experience in VR, but not reality
That was a lie in the first place though.
1142d8 No.16418900
>>16418608
Yes 3 was fine. but 4 completely created a new continuity by retroactively changing the plot of the earlier games. But the best retcon's are from Revengence tmho.
>>16418607
>projecting
wew
https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Retcon
66fd53 No.16418928
>>16418900
>using the fucking WIKI of all things as a source
So you didnt play the games or know of the story?
I cant even view the wiki anyway it just shows up as really zoomed in letters and symbols
1142d8 No.16418937
>>16418928
>implying I haven't played the games.
Anon why are you projecting this much? I know your just trying to be a contrarian, but at least put some bait on the hook.
95ab01 No.16418939
>>16418897
This. How come a child soldier who made a name of himself amongst his unit for his efficiency and sheer killcount can be portrayed as green in any way. Even if we swallow the bull about his trauma literally erasing his memories, hes still a natural and has spent his whole life in armed conflict. He blazes through the Big Shell with absolute ease, if it wasnt for the mindfuckery via codec it would have just been another mission amongst many others. A spectacular one sure but still. He doesnt even blink when confronted with the Rays, taking up the sword and hack away at units with fucking rifles wasnt deserving of any comment. Raiden is ruthless and merciless and does not question the bigger picture a second, something Solid and Biggy do 24/7. Thats the exact opposite of being a rookie, thats being content with the role of a killer. Which he is since childhood.
da44f8 No.16418943
>>16418194
>plot still doesn't really make any sense
I've played the game, and I honestly could not tell what the plot was, on the other hand, I have finished Halo 3, and I don't what the plot was in that either
2f2e04 No.16418952
Its a simple as lalilulelo
c6b5ad No.16418989
>>16418897
It's about the message more than the reality, that the guy's spent a ton of time in VR.
Raiden's suddenly given the implausible backstory, but i mean from the very beginning he's competent and doing all this shit from the start of the mission with lots of skill, his skill/competency's not truly in question.
96b1c4 No.16419081
>>16418939
"child soldier" was code for kid who played a lot of video games.
95ab01 No.16419104
>>16419081
Well sure, Raiden is the player in the most possible literal sense but if we accept that as hard lore there wouldnt be any sense thinking about the lore itself whatsoever. Jack gets comments about him being the Ripper throughout all the games hes in, if we condense all that down to it being nothing more than a 4th wall break then there is no lore left to be observed and witnessed, all that would be left would be an arcade game with a narrative thats in place to ridicule the player for playing.
66fd53 No.16419407
>>16418937
So you havent played the games?
017a71 No.16419738
>>16418607
>>16418515
You need to learn what a retcon is. Protip: it's not when a creator makes a public statement that he's changing this and that for their next story. It's something that occurs within a written narrative. Like when in MGS4 it's announced that "oh yeah, the patriots being dead for 100 years? It was a bogus lead all along.
c6b5ad No.16420138
>>16419104
> all that would be left would be an arcade game with a narrative thats in place to ridicule the player for playing.
I– I think that's not actually very far from the truth here.
000000 No.16420193
>>16418194
The basic plot made sense. Kojimbo's insert texts ruined it.
92a939 No.16420942
>>16418317
>Raiden was a Child soldier at birth, has a hot Fiance
Too bad he got cucked by old man campbell, why's there no hentai based around that?
0e17bf No.16420970
>>16418194
>But why was Raiden sent there? What was his goal? I suppose the idea is that he was a test subject for their brand of social manipulation, but what purpose did he really serve? The AI says itself at one point, "What use is one soldier, no matter how able, to us", couldn't you immediately turn this question on their whole Raiden manipulation thing?
Raiden is a blank slate, anon. When the AI says that one soldier is of no use to them, it means recreating the events of Shadow Moses to shape any random dude into Solid Snake wasn't the point of the experiment, as Ocelot was led to believe. The point was to prove that given the right circumstances, the AI could manipulate events to such a degree that the targets of their manipulation, which they intended to be the general populace, would never question what they were shown. As it says, the point isn't to remove content, but to create context. In this case, the context in the Big Shell's case is Shadow Moses. And since Raiden was put through the Shadow Moses incident in VR (read: the game expects players to be familiar with MGS1), he didn't quite question what was going on until it was right in his face. Sure, he may raise an eyebrow or two, but he just rolls with it anyway. He's been through countless VR missions, including a recreation of Shadow Moses. What's another mission full of weirdos and ex-presidents with dual katanas? All things considered, Raiden's exploits in MGS2 are proof that the AI's plan succeeded. As it says, it was a resounding success. If it can bamboozle some schmuck like Raiden, it can do so with everyone.
>And even if you wanted to manipulate Raiden or a Solid Snake clone or something, why send him to *Arsenal Gear*?? Not only is Arsenal Gear a crucial component in their plans, but it's heavily implied that the AI or "consciousness" is in some part housed *inside* Arsenal Gear.
You're forgetting a crucial peace of dialogue:
>"Raiden, are you listening? We're still here."
<"Impossible! The AI was destroyed!"
>"Only GW."
The AI in Arsenal is just one of the many AIs in the Patriots' network, which is later corroborated in MGS4. As far as the creation of context goes, the AI sees no problem in having one of its counterparts erased. You could even argue GW was created specifically for Raiden's mission. And remember, the virus used to destroy was also meant to destroy only a portion of it, namely information on the Patriots' identity. Whether fully or partially destroyed, the AI killed two birds with one stone.
>And why did they let Solidus hijack Arsenal Gear, or even enter the Plant to begin with? They already have very bad blood and they know what his intentions are, why not just kill him?
Same as above, killing two birds with one stone. Solidus is a stand-in for Big Boss and if they can use him as part of the simulation while also having their own puppet kill him in the end, they'd do just that. That's what happens.
>Also, why did the AI blab to Raiden anyway?
Because the experiment was a success. By that point, there's no point in hiding anything. What would Raiden and Snake even do? Even if they have the Patriots' identity, so what? They have full confirmation that they goad a group of nutjobs into doing what they're told without even realizing it. They can already release S3 into the world with the necessary preparations. There is nothing Raiden or even Snake could possibly do, at least from the AI's perspective. Also, keep in mind the AI sees itself as some God-like entity. It's arrogant, and even if it does have a point, its arrogance may cause it to eventually reveal its plans to people it could potentially discard (i.e. Raiden).
62bd9b No.16420978
>>16420970
>AI has a personality
I strongly dislike that, having pure automatons just being able to strong-arm the entire world is more scary than some pseudo SHODAN.
0e17bf No.16421007
>>16420978
It's just one of the many retarded pieces of lore in Metal Gear, even moreso when they retcon it so that the MGS3 radio team were the Patriots' founders all along and the AIs took over when Zero became a vegetable. Then again, when I say the AI is arrogant, I'm merely speculating, and it really could be just the usual shit writing you see in Metal Gear (remember when Volgin outright fucking said where the Philosopher's Legacy was?). You could just as much speculate that the Patriot AI is simply following its prerogatives. I'd rather just say the writing is retarded though.
695578 No.16421074
>>16420942
Because he never actually got cucked, Campbell married Rose and raised Raiden's son as his own to deceive the Patriots and prevent them from using them as leverage. Raiden still takes it like a total cuck. This was pretty clearly spelled out at the end of MGS4. Of course, that shouldn't stop hentai artists from going
>Campbell totally fugged Rose, I'm gonna draw her being unable to resist the old man dick
21445d No.16421321
>>16418317
>RAIDEN STRONK
>he was a soldier at 5yo
>he's got a gf
>also a badass robot
The underage cannot post on 8ch, kid.
f1ff98 No.16421338
Yeah pretty weird for a skateboard game to have a stealth section and some deep story.
f61af8 No.16421408
>>16421338
>Yeah pretty weird for a skateboard game to have a stealth section and some deep story.
Why the hell didn't they put it back in the HD version on the PS3?
1b283d No.16421430
>>16421408
I believe that minigame was basically a demo of a tony hawk game that was coming out or had come out recently but with an mgs 2 skin on top, they probably lost the rights or some shit, just like it happened with the snake vs monkey minigame
8e0648 No.16421436
>>16421408
It's basically a different game in a dfiferent engine that just happen to lift assets from the main game, porting htat would have been as much work as the main game and people decided it wasn't worth the time, same reason the nightmare sequence in 3 got cut.
66fd53 No.16421555
>>16419738
Nice IP hop to save face nigger
014e39 No.16421575
Do the patriots know about Venom Snake by this point? Seems like what happened to him is what they were looking for with the S3 project
6ef555 No.16421586
>>16421575
He's already dead by MGS2.
66fd53 No.16421591
>>16421575
they obviously know, wasnt big boss one of the founders of the patriots?
b19486 No.16421675
>>16421575
MGSV isn't canon
>doesn't have a tuxedo unlock a micropayment
>doesn't have a camera
>doesn't follow the canonical arabic numerals. Peace walker was originally MGS5
66fd53 No.16421685
>>16421675
>numerals
>arabic
wew lad
b953a3 No.16421699
>>16418632
>why are people mad when OP makes an absolutely abhorrent thread about a topic that has already been discussed thousands of times?
f36d9c No.16422278
>>16421575
Vernon is actually a Big Boss clone fetus sent back in time into a woman's womb by the Patriots, he was designed to become a supermedic who could heal his own wounds during combat. The Patriots were planning to genetically engineer supermedics in order to control the world through medical insurance. They understood that out of all the world's markets, healthcare is the only one with infinite demand, thus it would allow them to shape the world to their will.
MGSV was actually an experiment by the Patriots to test whether a supermedic could become Big Boss, thus enabling them to take over all of the world's healthcare. If Big Boss could create a nation of mercenaries, a Medic Boss could create a nation of doctors, the resulting organization was known as Doctors Without Borders, or "Medicins Sans Frontieres" in Canadian.
2e8636 No.16422632
>>16422278
I really want people who write these retarded theories to just die tbh
4a0e4f No.16422656
>>16418475
Metal Gear Rays were not nuclear equipped. They are anti-Metal Gear Metal Gears meant to destroy other Metal Gears and a separate project by the Marines that was incorporated into Arsenal later.
96b1c4 No.16423952
>>16421675
It's MGSV, not MGS5. V stands for Victory. It's a reference to 1984 where cheap the cheap knockoff products that were doled out to the population were called things like "victory gin".
893989 No.16424343
>>16418321
Hideo Kojima is a time traveler because he understood the media and corporations control us muh context
2745f1 No.16424415
>>16423952
The amount of 1984 references in mgs5 honestly started to annoy me
>2+2=5
>Torture room is called 101
>All the big boss is watching you posters
>Big boss=big brother, get it XDDD, he's also a fake figurehead all of outer heaven gathers behind, just like the real big brother
>Doublethink is literally used by Ishmael and ocelot to convince themselves he's big boss
>Game takes place in 1984
>War is peace
There was more specific ones that were bothering me, but I can't remember. The Lord of the flies vibes with liquid were worse, because it felt like that overview was just thrown in "because they're a bunch of kids independent of adults, look conches and boar heads LOL!!" Though I feel like It would've been better explained if chapter 2 didn't start to taper off and chapter 3 was finished.
9faa59 No.16424435
Remember how the Patriots were just the codec crew from MGS3 all along? What a hell of a retcon, just like with big boss doing all the shit for the biggest mary sue.
393c15 No.16424451
>>16424435
That was the most retarded thing kojima ever did with the series. MGS4 is the worst written game ever it just shits all over everything……. OK so these guys made the patriots, Zero is the bad guy BECAUSE WHATEVER etc. it's so bad.
0e17bf No.16424460
>>16424451
Shit like this is why I believe people who say V is the worst in the series have never played 4. There is quite literally nothing salvageable in it outside of that thing with the factions in each region and sneaking through conflicts which is quickly thrown away like it never even happened after Act 2.
9faa59 No.16424469
>>16424460
The only good sections in 4 is the metal gear fight and the single sneaking section on outer heaven, which lasts mere seconds compared to the hours of cutscenes they force you to watch, as well as the constant glorification of big boss and the boss over any of the other characters.
393c15 No.16424483
>>16424460
after act 2 the game is pretty much on rails also
9faa59 No.16424486
Also why did Raiden get with Rose after MGS2 since it was clear that she was only forced on him as a plant for the patriots to make a reason to control him? I guess fuck that section with the patriots talking to him and him getting pissed, gotta make that baby that might've been a bullshit lie from an A.I.
Then you got kojima forcing him to be a cyborg ninja, when the story didn't need him. Oh well, Rising was a good game so that makes up for the bastardization of Raiden a bit.
393c15 No.16424502
>>16424486
nothing that happened after 2 is ever fucking explained. It just jumps ahead it's fucking insane. 4 just starts with "THE WORLD IS DOMINATED BY PATRIOTS AND NANOMACHINES" ok so what about solidus's rebellion he was an ex president and the actual president died, everyone saw arsenal gear etc. etc. THE STORY IS RETARDED!!!!
4 makes NO sense it's incomprehensible nonsense. Not to mention the amount of character changes/retcons they made to the story I just can't stand mgs after 4. 5 is retarded yea but at least no story is better than completely shitting on the entire series story then on top of shitting on everything they have a game that has 2 actual MGS levels and bunch of on rails bullshit.
9faa59 No.16424547
>>16424502
Making every boss just psycho mantis but not was also retarded, not to mention all of the magic bullshit bosses would do in the series was just always nanomachines all along, the fury's big dumb fire face blast was nanomachines, same with the pain's bee swarms.
66fd53 No.16424945
>>16424435
>muh retcons
Still IP hoping faggot?
6ef555 No.16425043
>>16424451
Pretty sure they make it clear in the epilogue that Zero isn't actually the bad guy. He's just an old man who started something beyond his control.
>>16424502
I wish they would have at least shown Raiden rescuing Sunny and becoming a cyborg.
985a8a No.16425103
>This whole thread about not understanding the plot.
>Meanwhile, the only things I can’t understand about the game are.
>Why Raiden gets electrocuted on his first node (ayyy water lmao).
>Why don’t we adquire the breathing mask whe put on the elevator at the beginning (Op—no, could be used as special item just as bandana).
>Why people suck at Emma escort? I could do that shit at 12, no joke.
94e9b7 No.16425105
>mfw row IQ baka gaijin can't understand my genius, almost 20 years later
www
66fd53 No.16425114
>>16425105
Understanding a Escape from NY ripoff aint hard
8466b3 No.16425154
>>16425103
>people had trouble holding some nerdy girl's hand
I never knew.
>>16424502
>nothing that happened after 2 is ever fucking explained. It just jumps ahead it's fucking insane
Honestly, that was my biggest issue with 4.
The overall story was pretty dumb, but at least it was entertaining to watch.
If only chapters 3 and 4 weren't so bad.
ae68db No.16425639
>>16424415
>chapter 3 was finished.
there is no chapter 3; chapter 2 is "Cipher was selling segways in africa all along!" and reruns.
176de8 No.16427692
Did PAL region get a different VR mission on MGS1?
I seem to remember a different, harder VR mission than what's on the ps classic.
66fd53 No.16428091
>>16427692
No, the only different MGS thing we ever got was european extreme