/v/ - Video Games

You can't have MMO shooters on consoles (at least not with some effort on the side of the devs), so no

>>16407727

no, due to lag.

>>>/v/16407737

>everything is consoles fault

Man, developers sure never have to worry about being accused of incompetence when people lap up the official narrative like this faggot.

>>16407727

When someone has the balls to go with scale and good netcode to make it happen(Gaybreak can go fuck themselves), but it seems mostly that shit loot-addiction FPS-RPG games like Destiny and Memelands will be taking over that market.

>>16407782

I have the balls but I don't have the talent, skills, or brains to make it happen.

>tfw promised yuge co-op multiplayer persistent world battles

>in an actual campaign with an actual story with an actual ending that can also be played solo

>tfw cucked for consoles and mac port of only the first game years late that didn't get custom edition mod support

>tfw years later destiny sounds like the same thing but for real

>turns out to be borderlands knockoff with tiny 3-9 player popcap instanced levels and grinding-based mmo non-campaign

>>16407737

Obviously you aren't going to get something with battles quite as gigantic as Planetside pr WWII Online, but console games like the 256 simultaneous player FPS MAG are certainly doable.

>>16407758

That is because everything is consoles' fault, indeed. You can't change the facts.

>>16408414

Unfortunately the problems in the industry today come from experiments that pc gamers made into successes. The industry and pc gaming being western led is no coincidence either, their controllers are one in the same.

MMOs are fucking GAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

When is the new EVE fps coming out?I think I read about them making one,Not Dust514. Planetside 2 got updated to DX11 recently,other than that they usually fall for the third person empty open world meme Firefall,Defiance

going a little further with this inspired with the wallpaper you posted ,Most multiplayer space fight games fall for the World of Tanks tiers bullshit,off the top of my head only Elite Dangerous has space fight,and I think they put that as Arena mode free to play

Scam Citizen if it ever comes out and whales don't have bulletproof ships because of money

The further ones goes into this,There isn't many games that are that good at all,all mmo's past WoW are the same,Black Desert had hope but it became a dress up game,in the Tiers games or Mobas you can rarely win 1v>1 because of some forced teamwork

In most games other than fps your personal skill maters less than your luck and rng of team mates selection,fuck even in my main game Squad I can pull off some crazy shit but if the rest of the team sits on their ass or focuses on kill only instead of flags we still loose

Looking at the logistics of making and selling an MMOFPS right now,Planetside 2 and Arma 3 probably sucked in all the organized autist you would need in order for your game to not just be another dead on arrival normalfagg memes in the chat game

>>16411449

Cancelled

>>16411449

Project Nova will not be a proper MMOFPS. It is a 5v5 shooter and will not have the EVE link as Dust did. No vehicles either.

That's why it's DOA, Dust was great because it was like Battlefield with autistic EVE customization and vehicles and shit, but Nova will just be a bad 5v5 FPS like any other. It doesn't have what made Dust unique in the first place.

>>16407758

So why does this guy constantly quote in this format?

I just wanted to take down a space station with my bros

>>16407727

Planetside needs bots to keep a constant population, even if just as garrison troops.

Aside from that, it's probably going to happen when some studio tries a AA title with less graphics and more demolition and world changing stuff (think Wurm Online with guns), because after the questionable stories of Dust and Planetside, no AAA publisher is going to spend a hundred mil on one.

All because consoles cucked both titles.

>>16411828

Supposedly, it prevents (you)'s.

In actuality, I'm pretty sure its just autism form GGHQ.

>>16418604

is that hotwheels?

>>16418604

is destiny 2 without any of the expansions worth playing?

I got it for free back when Blizzard was giving it away.

>>16418619

I got it for free when I bought my latest gpu. The gameplay is bland and nothing new, plays like a borderland but without skill building and everything is allergic to cute girls. Its a waste since a couple of maps really are gorgeous to look at but ultimately shallow, like the lore and the shooting. The story is more or less a marvel movie, which is bland as fuck with Red Man Bad villain. If you got it for free then its worth trying I suppose, to see for yourself just how generic it is.

>>16418619

I got it for free also and played it for a week then dropped it.I logged in after 2-3 months and found out that I am capped on the blue cube currency and the only things it's worth spending on are locked behind the dlc-s. Then I dropped it immediately

>>16418604

>>16418685

>Max team is 6 players

>No meaningful trade

>MMO

HAHAHHAHAHA, no

>>16418714

MMO is honestly a very ambiguous term.

"Massively Multiplayer Online" That could mean anything.

Are Battle Royale's MMO's?

>Max team is 6 players

Blame consoles.

>No meaningful trade

What do you mean no meaningful trade?

Is CS:GO an MMO because you can trade items?

Or does a game have to be a one-for one copy of World of Warcraft to be your definition of MMO?

>>16418729

MMOs should have a persistent world with everyone playing with each other in some way. Limited resources, e.g. single persistent world, so you need to compete for spawns/resources or 100% free trade so you can sell items you don't need to others.

>>16418729

>does a game have to be a one-for one copy of World of Warcraft to be your definition of MMO?

99% of WoW is instanced down to a simultaneous playercount similar to Diablo, and none but a handful of areas exceed the 128 player caps of old action games like Enemy Territory or Tribes.

>>16418685

>100+GB

yep, that's enought to convince me not to try it

>>16407727

>Will the MMOFPS genre ever become popular?

It is but not in a traditional MMO sense. Destiny, Borderlands, and Overwatch are the closest you will most likely get. This is not factoring in their actual quality of course. What you also have to consider that an MMOFPS will be almost impossible to be successful as MMOs and FPS' core values are contradicting.

With MMOs you have to mostly focus on making the player feel unique to the world and with many varying gameplay styles. Hence why it's mostly occupied with medieval to steampunk era fantasy as there are a shit ton of mechanics that can be completely different from one another. MMORPGs also has the benefit from not requiring precise aiming due to what MMOs typically come with, lag.

FPS' is almost the completely opposite in their approach. The mechanics of an FPS is extremely linear and limited as you cant do so much with ranged weapons and guns without them literally being the same but with different numbers. In order to add variety into it's mechanics you will have to start venturing away from being an FPS and more into an Overwatch territory where skills or abilities are involved. Doing that can help elevate some of the precision that is usually required in an FPS as skills have some form of AOE or auto aim because the lag that comes with MMOs demands it.

>>16418824

Most MMOs, WoW included, shouldn't be called MMOS tbh.

>>16407727

Tarkov is an MMOFPS

>>16418923

what about WoW before sharding? would that be a no due to instances existing in the first place?

>>16422364

zero stakes besides briefly interrupting someone's one-directional grinding where they can never lose progress so all the PVP was fake.

loss is really important to being invested in a game.

>>16422330

>MMO: haven, wurm

Also aside from the spreadsheet sim that is EVE, of course, DAoC, and especially Shadowbane, had good faith efforts at player-directed worlds.

>dungeon siege (still has more players in a match than the shit you think is "mmofps")

Perhaps an even worse indictment of the modern "MMO" is Guild Wars, which does basically everything (persistant stats, progression, instanced dungeons, uninteractive glorified chatroom "town" areas, etc.) other MMOs keep server farms, admins, and monthly fees to pay for all of it to do, but using the same free P2P hosting tracked and arranged by a cheap skeletal metaserver as Diablo.

Truly, unless you've got more simultaneous players than an FPS that runs decently on P2P hosting, you've got no excuse to charge for a server farm and enforce moderation over so few players, especially not with server bandwidth/CPU-saving RPG combat.

>>16422425

Moreover, what's needed is a practical justification for hundreds/thousands/millions of players to share the same host server with each other. Player-owned territory, faction combat with something permanent at stake, player-made economy, player-made quests, player-made dungeons, etc.

No because there will always be lag in a server if even slight. Maybe it could be done with high end servers, and some really well done netcode and optimization.

But modern industry has shown this is impossible.

>>16422582

it's best not to give EVE room in your heart or mind. I don't have enough experience with DAoC to comment on it, but I probably would have enjoyed it based on my mp-games-ethos.

I agree that very few 'massive' multiplayer games hit a level of persistence and world immersion on par with diablo 2, many being markedly worse in persistence and social features despite absurd team size and marketing spend.

There's a lot of baggage from extremely lame fantasy tabletop and writing that weighs heavily on role-playing-video-games. It is difficult to corral even 200 players into a server in a game system that has no real goals or progress besides combat and domination. Slice of life systems to encourage low-level investment in physical places and economic systems in game worlds are necessary to give the majority game audience (submissive non-pvp types) a chance to emotionally attach to a place or character so they might foster an interest in things like large-scale combat, player politics, and trade. How can you justify a massively multiplayer medieval fantasy setting when not even 10% of the players are allowed to play as farmers, alchemists, tinkers, or cooks, no matter how much they might want to?

"Quests" and "dungeons" are almost always code for "overscripted splatbook garbage someone else wrote to be poorly integrated into the game", but most video-game-players have never tasted anything else. Desire for 'quests' and 'dungeons' is the shadow cast by the stifled fundamental need for creative expression, storytelling, and interpersonal drama. Real players are unlikely to ever deliberately make a hokey "dungeon", but they might over the course of a long-running game session slowly litter the world with hideaways, workshops, and ruined fortifications that contribute ambience and setting detail.

>>16422582

>>16422756

Eve has been a pain to play for a while now due to Plex and the power creep.

They introduced tactical destroyers that could transform in three modes.

Each mode outdid even tier 2 or pirate builds of equivalent ships.

They could go to frigate mode and move faster then dramiel frigate with a better orbit speed.

They could go to cruiser mode, out tank and out dps.

They could go into another mode that I think outdid litigation ships.

Then Plex of course which is always

>Why is the ISK price for it constantly inflating?

Because big corps get piggy pank members who are willing to spend money to buy plex for the corp.

Which the corp will sell for 2 billion ISK, to fund their wargames.

At least Goons got completely blown out.

>>16422756

>give the majority game audience (submissive non-pvp types) a chance to emotionally attach to a place or character so they might foster an interest in things like large-scale combat, player politics, and trade.

>"Quests" and "dungeons" are almost always code for "overscripted splatbook garbage someone else wrote to be poorly integrated into the game", but most video-game-players have never tasted anything else.

The fundamental problem with sandbox MMOs, isn't, IMHO, the focus on

>no real goals or progress besides combat and domination.

Seeing as how that's pretty much what PvE game against the devteam's prescripted AI proxies is, or for that matter an SP RPG campaign like Ultima or Witcher. No, the real problem in trying to replicate that with other players as the opposing side, allies, contacts, etc., is scheduling. How can you ensure that when somebody contests an objective at whatever hour, it's a fair fight with the other side all there? Contrariwise, how can you keep the poopsockers from being everywhere at once?

I think quests/dungeons, or something like them, could hold the key for funneling player interaction in a practical way, without everyone necessarily being too aware of who is responsible, how, or when. For example, in order to actually get an army through to conquer another faction's region, smaller quests have to be done to chip away at supply lines, tip support of NPCs, seed enemy flanks with monsters, and infiltrate to gain intel. Then for the defending faction, counter-quests would be available, with both factions' questing and construction of rival infrastructure essentially creating the game world and campaign as a natural byproduct of play.

The role of the actual devteam's material would be to provide something to both disincentivize blobbing/peacemaking, and incentivize aggressively constructive play. Maybe some sort of deep cosmic mystery for players to explore that yields special resources useful in combat and construction as they progress and gain understanding, like C&C's Tiberium/Scrin, NGE's angels/instrumentality, or Berserk's Apostles.

>>16422954

>"missing basic modern sandbox mmo features present in Haven."

scheduling has been solved in a lot of ways, the way you don't solve it is by making a set of rules and combat system that are about 'fair fights' 'muh field battles' 'what the fuck is gorilla warfare, are you a gook'.

nobody actually wants to play as e-courtier and e-servant to you so you can play as e-king, and by actual tautological retard definition the bottom 99% of players in social status make up 99% of the playerbase.

staged battles autism and MUH TIMETABLES are faggot shit for people who don't understand that banditry, night raids, pillaging, and arson are player level goals, and standing around in a garrison for 8 months then getting domed by an arrow is a npc-level goal, not a player goal.

muh kings and muh castles is for slave mentality losers who are weak and cowardly in the soul.

(if you bought a star citizen space ship under the impression that 750 real life dollars would somehow secure you 7 real life friends who would want to play deckhand to you on your 8 person space-yacht, I hate to break the bad news that those people literally do not exist and never will.)

deep crafting, complex item production and crossover between different levels and types of production chains, and long term time-investments in specific virtual plots of land are how you solve faggy combat mmos with no stakes, not trying to make top down rules describing how and why efveryone should show up to the same place at the same time for a fight. deep crafting and item-based stat systems mean that the actual game world develops value as players explore, exploit, and build in it. look up the scent system in haven if you have trouble imagining how to connect "items and ingame land" to "motives for pvp and online-combat".