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>ride lift

>never know if the opening is in front or behind you

>>16406995

Why the fuck do level designers do this?

>game has semi-linear level structure, where if you go on certain side-paths you can unlock extra ammo/secrets/collectables

>there is no indication which is the "story" path and which is the "secret" path

>there are sections in the level that trigger a cutscene, and blocks the path

>if you haven't collected the secret, you have to restart the level

>there is no indication, where these sections appear

I liked that in Bioshock Infinite, they gave you an arrow, that pointed to the story section, so always used it, and always went the other way.

>>16407017

People are dumb and think any amount of editing or refining something they came up with on the spot is infringing on their creative rights as an artist.

>>16407636

I bet the people who make any given map and the people who shoestring together the narrative design are two separate teams with little contact.

>>16407728

Well that's awfully idiotic, but very realistic. A separate team just for the scripted events/narrative. Like Warframe's maps and Half Life 2's maps.

>>16407828

Think of the absolute dumbest way to get anything done and game developers will be at least two steps ahead of you at all times.

>>16407085

The door in the bottom right is to the loundry room I believe, and you can see the metal door with the peephole in the background…

You know that level in EYE early on where you have to secure a briefcase with a brain in it or something? I got lost in the city streets for half an hour before I found the second half of the level, and even inside one of the apartment buildings, I explored it twice and got turned around and thought I entered an entirely different apartment room before I found it

>>16406959

No one complained when Silent Hill did it.

>>16407017

>>16406995

This is a problem in real life too when an elevator has two doors. It's not a problem with design, you just don't know the place well.

>>16408798

To be fair, SH still had more than one way to approach most situations, even with only one route.

>>16408798

If you play on a difficulty where you can't afford to kill everything you see, it can be quite an experience - getting chased in the dark, frantically looking for the one working door.

>>16408798

I remember that SA thread.

>>16407762

God fuck Jesus fuck Satan fuck Gilgamesh fuck everything.

By the way let's evolve the thread into a: Thing NPCs can do, but the player can't.

>want to beat the game quickly

>end up finding secrets and additional stuff not the actual boss or key item

plenty of metroidvanias are so shit

>when you start fucking around in the tutorial, sequences, running sequences, large army battles and boss battles on hard mode hoping to find some cool new thing to add replay value to the game. Secret bosses which spawn only when a number of enemies are on screen, maybe even an extra level or new pathways. Kind of like those old NES/SNES/Genesis games which outright do not allow you to play the last level on easy. Or the European vs USA version of Earthworm Jim where they add 1 level but also remove 1 level.

>>16407071

Is that picture supposed to be the easiest maze ever, or did you just pick a bad example?

>>16431303

Obviously a bad example gotten from googling labyrinths

>>16431300

>in tse, there's a specific level you have to around in a square and collect key items inbetween each corner

>accidentally went past the door and encountered a secret enemy and more enemies

holy fug

>>16407954

exactly

>>16431618

I found out about the Ice Sanctuary shit nearly 6 years after I first played that game, and only because my school finnaly had a computer with Internet connection.

Love that game, but holy shit, fuck whoever thought that one up.

The "only Virus can enter Grey Mansion, only Vaccine can enter Ice Sanctuary" shit can eat a barrel of dicks too, holy fuck is that anoying. Especially because the clues they give you about it are "Digimon of a certain nature can't go there." But "Nature" pertains to your Mon's Elements (Fire, Nature, Wind that sorta shit) and it confused 12 year old me.

Also:

>lol, let's have this one rare enemy have 1/100 chance of spawning on this area when you enter. And make it mandatory to clear the game 100%

>ahaha, wasn't that funny? Let's do it three times instead of one

Shit like that makes me think two bombs weren't enough.

>>16431295

to be fair, I'm pretty sure that image is modded in.

>>16406959

Aliens: CM was rushed out the door ASAP by Gearbox. The development of that game was a joke.

SEGA hired them to make it and they decided to spend all that time making Borderlands 2 instead. They only had like 11 months to actually finish the game and the final product was the result. Don't expect anything secret or hidden.

>>16431831

>Don't expect anything secret or hidden.

AvP1, 2, 3 have the same exact problem. Among many other corridor shooters have this problem.

Compared to say C&C Renegade where the level design is semi-open world. You have a large map and you get to explore it how and when you want it. Some of the enemy buildings have insanely huge underground structures ripe for exploration, which is entirely optional. It was full of secondary objectives and optional areas which you weren't obligated to fulfill.

Same for Serious Sam, again it had some huge areas and valleys and it was filled with secrets. The video I posted is an entirely secret level which you can skip if you don't know how to pass the bridge in the earlier level.

I didn't even know of the latter section of the level at 4:00. I got to play it again now. There's always something to be found in replaying these video games, unlike other ones.

WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T ANYONE TELL ME I COULD USE "CUT" TO CUT ALL THE GRASS AROUND ME?

>>16431542

>>16431537

>there is no exit

>>16444619

I really like it when mechanics like this that aren't necessary aren't told to the player and are instead left to them to experiment and figure it out. You have a move that interacts with the environment, it cuts down things, what do you do to grass in real life? You cut it, so maybe…..

>>16431887

>>Don't expect anything secret or hidden.

>AvP1, 2, 3 have the same exact problem. Among many other corridor shooters have this problem.

This is retarded and you don't know shit. AVP1 was a Quake like labyrinth full of secret stashes and dead ends.

That does bring up a point though. How DO you treat secret areas in games? I feel like when they're hidden in such a way that you have to look up a guide then you're not doing it right. It just feels like you're expecting the player to be clairvoyant or some shit.

I think a player should have the means to find secrets on his first playthrough of a level, but not in such a way that it's painfully obvious either.

>>16407024

What I do is

>come across a crossroad in the level

>pick one way and only go in a little bit

>try to see where it leads from where I am

>go back to do the same with the other paths whether I can see where one leads or not

This sometimes leads to a lot of needless back-and-forth, but I don't like missing content so I don't mind.

Funnily enough I still managed to miss a lot sneakily hidden pathways when playing Sekiro.

>>16460558

Hot.

>>16457271

Just like how I can use Ember to burn down small trees, right? Just like how I can use Fly to bypass waterfalls?

>>16408343

>>16408798

Silent Hill at least had the courtesy to use a VERY specific message when a door could never be opened and provided you with a map that marked any unopenable doors, while giving you a different message and different map marker for doors you could unlock later.

>>16461408

Really the good old fashioned "door textures and decoration ; modeled doors are usable" rule is more than enough.