/v/ - Video Games

>not knowing forgotten weapons is a cuck and has a semen guzzling faggot right under his belt

>>16404978

Don’t sully Ross by making him a meme you cumslurper.

>>16404992

No make it a meme. We should let this message spread until EA and Ubisoft are eventually forced to address it in interviews because journos joke about it as an interview question. Like "hey so what are YOU guys doing for video game preservation?"

We should get it to the point where this is so widely talked about that when a company shuts down a game it becomes a big talking point that everyone rails on that game about for years.

I don't give a fuck. I have enough of a backlog that I'll be fine, even if there's never another good game released again. In fact, it would be a relief in a way. I could just stop buying new hardware altogether.

>>16404978

>what are YOU doing to stop online only games from certain death?

Why would I want to?

>>16405023

That image made my fucking fingers twitch.

>>16404978

>>16405018

Honestly I wish I could do more, than just fuck about, you know, actually, thinking about it now, I could make art depicting these company's opinion on preserving game, which is to say, none, I never cared too much for have a game psychically in my collection, however I do think this is a important fight, that maybe I could aid, though propaganda and

slander art.

>>16405044

It's fucking bullshit how horrific fingernail injuries are but if the end of a human finger gets so much as a whiff of illness they'll just fall out on their own and it doesn't even matter.

oh, uh, and Ross is pretty based I guess

>ywn live in Poland, supported by less motivated autists and finally able to work full time on your autistic fixation after years of grunt work across the US, surviving on the cheapest cans of beans around and fucking your neurotic Polish tumblrette wife

Also

You can learn how to make okay-good game in ~40 hours

Get moving faggots.

The data cap would stop online streaming from being successful. I sneeze at 2TBs a month with a $10 added charge for every 50gbs I go over the limit. I wonder how most people with a lower income than mine will be able to deal with accidentally going over their data cap because little Timmy is gaming when he should be sleeping. It'll be shut down as quickly like those 90s toll numbers when the parents realize how much money they have to pay because little Timmy didn't ask permission and clocked a ridiculous amount of hours for a junk service.

Online only games are not the only games that will be affected by streaming services.

games that cannot be emulated, modded do not deserve to be preserved. Let them decay into footnote of history of gaming and stick to time-tested classics and occasional homebrew games for change.

>>16405018

Ross has an aura of childlike innocence around him. Not in the retarded, autistic way, but in the genuinely good spirit way.

The kind of guy we all want in our lives but don't deserve.

>>16405133

>games that cannot be emulated, modded do not deserve to be preserved. Let them decay into footnote of history of gaming and stick to time-tested classics and occasional homebrew games for change.

All games deserve to be preserved you shit eating retard. This includes ones that you don't like. Stupid art faggy games with single pixel limbs and memes all over the place aren't an exception. Even shitty games have value.

I normally hate E-celeb shit but Ross is 100% correct.

The fact that the people are RIGHT NOW fighting a legal battle so they can play City of Heroes, a game THEY BOUGHT only proves how right he is.

>>16405132

This one deserves to get linked directly and shilled hard.

We should start supporting open source game development. We just need more designers to create original ideas, and more artists so the games don't look like crap. Then, we will have quality games that aren't solely focused on making a profit.

>>16405153

>more artists so the games don't look like crap

Gonna be a huge problem. They get really mad if others make good art for free (see how they attacked Tyson Tan). Which is pretty funny considering that most LARP as socialists who claim to "hate big corporations" (until they receive their pay checks from those "big corporations" that hired the through nepotism).

>>16405153

The art unions are going to go fucking rabid if you try to get more artists in that aren't with them.

>>16405063

>ywn live in Poland

If you discover that you're a needy holocaust survivor "US" state department will set you up with free real estate.

>>16405169

>>16405172

The most effective solution for this would be to make free well-documented open source tools that would make the majority of people as artistis (see: Blender)

>>16405175

Okay but that's not the issue

Asset creation, takes a metric fucking dickload of time.

And if you don't work with the unions you get blacklisted from any sustainable work.

>>16405175

Corporations don't typically use open source software largely because they hire straight out of colleges that only teach paid software. Because these colleges get kickbacks from the software companies. See Microsoft. And it costs more to train employees on new open source software and can cost in time and resources to do things like convert files between software packages when it's a lot easier to just have everyone using the same software.

There are exceptions to this like in instances where the software being open source and the other alternatives being shit get to the point where there's a critical mass. Like the majority of web servers run on Linux because security is a massive factor to big companies that run websites and Linux is objectively more secure than any other operating system. And it's open source so you can improve it on your own end with your own custom software on-top of that.

>>16405153

> We just need more designers to create original ideas

Literally nothing is stopping you from shitting all over evaxephon and making a superior game about a yandere, or any other game idea suggested by an anonymous poster on an international intelligence service false-flagging forum.

>>16405183

Worse yet is when you hire some guy to do a voice or whatever and he doesn't upfront state he's from a union until right after you get done paying him and, oops, you have to hire union only workers now or everyone in your office accidentally slips in their bathtubs with their necks landing on a dozen kitchen knives.

>>16405183

Your tool is accessible and good if retards can easily make crap with it.

>>16405229

Someone should sue them because of that advertisement they had "pay once play forever"

>>16405229

I forgot what the name of that manga is, I really need to finish it.

>>16405232

It would be a historical case that changes the landscape of the legal system forever, for good or worse, depending on the outcome.

>>16405238

I'm sorry, I don't know what it is, I just have the picture for reaction purposes.

>>16405238

Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka?

I love Ross, I wish I was a qt grill so I could send him nudes

>>16405099

>>16405141

>Something being percieved to be valid means it is valid

>Everything ever created is worth preserving indefinitely

>The logistics of forever archiving the endless garbage being produced is even feasible

Wrong. Not everything some retard shits out is of value. In fact, the better part of all media ever created has absolutely no aesthetic, artistic, or moral value whatsoever. For every treasure lost to History there are a million pieces of irredeemable shit that were rightfully forgotten or destroyed. To pretend every work has value merely because it exists is a garbage philosophy that demeans works which possess some real artistic value, besides forever burying them as the proverbial needle in a haystack (of worthless shit). This is doubly true for videogames since even games seen as great often shortly feel dated, are often purely "consumptive" and not worth ever revisiting, and the mean quality of videogames is and always has been embarrassingly low. Also it's arguable that a great game is just a more powerful vice and compulsion-builder. I've said it before and I will again, if you think your favourite game is (or that some videogame could be) comparable to the works of Shakespeare or the Renaissance masters, you're a fucking retard.

>>16405253

Ross is married, he has no interest in random thots sending him nudes.

>>16405256

Nobody ever said anything about obligatory archival of all media.

>>16405256

>For every treasure lost to History there are a million pieces of irredeemable shit that were rightfully forgotten or destroyed

You're right (just hit random on VNDB for proof) but nobody made that argument.

>>16405099

Just gonna say, this isn't a case of "WHY DIDN'T WE PRESERVE IT?" it's a case of "WE DON'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH OUR OLD GAMES, ERASE HISTORY." Are you not aware that Nintendo had a hitlist going with Gamestop requesting old Nintendo consoles/games, and they were literally throwing those into industrial shredders to erase their existence completely? Thankfully most collectors aren't willing to sell their games. Not that they need to, let's be honest, cartridges and console games have a limited lifespan, it might be for decades still, but sooner or later those things will cease to exist. Which is why Nintendo chose to target ROM sites so hard; they don't have to deal with physical, it will eventually rot away. But digital copies don't fade unless you erase them from history.

>>16405256

It's up to the populace to decide if something is worth preserving

>>16405268

I remember when the Virtual Console first launched some indie faggot cried about people were using their Wiis to buy Pacman or whatever instead of his bloated flash shit. Pretty funny stuff.

>>16405256

>In fact, the better part of all media ever created has absolutely no aesthetic, artistic, or moral value whatsoever.

Who's the arbiter to decide what shouldn't get preserved? If "it's shit dump it" is the metric a lot of stuff that people want to see again will get dumped. Like The Room is objectively a bad movie but people rewatch it every year regardless.

Infact this attitude of "It's shit get rid of it" is why so much shit is completely lost. Like the vast, vast majority of early films from the 20th century were objectively shit. We didn't even get basic concepts like the Establishing Shot until Birth of a Nation. It was the reason why they would just throw away old Doctor Who episodes, because they didn't think anyone would wanna watch some shitty kids show.

>This is doubly true for videogames since even games seen as great often shortly feel dated

Doom doesn't let you look up and down. This makes the game dated. Should it not be preserved despite having a massive history on both vidya and software?

>if you think your favourite game is (or that some videogame could be) comparable to the works of Shakespeare or the Renaissance masters, you're a fucking retard.

I didn't make this comparison. I was specifically focusing on consumption based media that is performed via storage mediums like film and television. Not plays or paintings.

>>16405268

At the same time they still try to preserve media when it's convenient for them financially. See the Virtual Console.

Just stop gaming, dawg.

>>16405290

You know the sad thing is, people likely would pay nintendo for roms for their old shit, and likely would also pay for roms on their actual systems.

>>16405290

Yeah, they were… From what I understand, the Switch has no virtual console. Nintendo decided to hit the ROM console market that already existed with the NES/SNES classic (prompting Sega and Sony to get in on this idea), and based on the success of those, it's completely possible that Nintendo could make NES classic 2, SNES classic 2, Nintendo 64 classic, Gamecube classic, etc.

>>16405276

The same populace that can't be trusted with not getting scammed or reading food labels?

>>16405300

>Piracy is eternal. It will always find a way. Piracy always wins.

Not with streaming. With streaming there's zero data on your computer. It's physically impossible to pirate a streamed video game unless you can break into the company's offices.

>>16405300

Fuck off Luciano.

>>16405305

You haven't been alive very long to see how dumb and smart people can truly be, have you?

>>16405306

Well, that or just breaking into their server in the same style as the data leaks that seem to happen at least once a week.

>>>/v/16405305

I know you're just here to screech and spread fud but presumably the people too dumb to read a label aren't the same people with knowhow or care to archive video games.

>>16405256

If one person think a work has value than it does.

>>16405347

Nazis burned bolshevist faggot propaganda, not history.

>>16405355

>>16405356

Yeah, I know but Ross presents them as burning history and valuable things. Head to around 44:49 in his video.

>>16405342

People aren't willing to stick up and attack the problem because most people, even those who aren't normalfags, don't even know the problem exists.

That's why awareness needs to be spread.

>>16405347

>Ross actually using critical thinking skills

He sucks at video games, and he's incapable of getting 95% of the information he spews right. He's so fucking stupid that he plays games with magic systems and shirks the magic systems, even when they're integral to the game's mechanics, turning his parties of mages and clerics into brutes with metal sticks.

He also lives in Europe, where any form of speculation about Nazis and their role in history is an offense that can get you 10+ years.

>>16405044

when I was a little kid I dropped a pain can on my foot and my pinky toe was black for like a month. and then later at life in 17 I went to disney and walked so much that my entire same pinky toe turned into one giant blister, it felt like I was growing a new toe.

>>16405382

jokes on you fag I had hair on my balls since I was 11 nice gondola though

>>16405388

>hitler pic

>attacking jews for the betterment of mankind

>88 dubs

time to become natsoc shadowrunners

I think the guy doesn't go far enough, sounds like he just wants end of life plans, which doesn't guarantee anything, especially if the company goes under they may refuse to unshackle the game out of spite. The game should be playable 100% without company servers from day one.

at least it his idea would be a start though

>>16405347

>getting uppity about normalfag opinions

you solve the games being killed thing and then we talk about natsoc rebranding

>>16405413

>getting uppity about normalfag opinions

No, I'm surprised no one is getting uppity, because they usually do.

>>16405410

I watch a lot of that dude's content and whenever that kind of shit comes up he always suggests good STARTING plans to fix shit, like a realistic foothold into making things not as awful.

>>16405410

As he said, he wants to be as realistic and nice to these companies as possible so that no critic would have any reason to bitch at all.

>>16405347

>Implying that destroying books even if they were shit, as they have historical value to see what people thought at the time, can ever be justified.

Nazis might have been right about a lot of things, but they weren't right about this.

>>16405426

Bolshevist propaganda paid for by propagandists isn't what people thought about practicing at the time, let alone today.

>>16405422

Yeah, I got that thus stating it's still a good starting point. Just pointing out a problem with companies promising they will fix it if they stop support for whatever reason.

Also, he should have ripped into world of warcraft more than did. Letting it off the hook because there's a sub could leave loophole for companies, just charge $1 a year subscription to your game and suddenly it's a subscription game and you can ignore the regulations. I doubt people would have much issue paying $1 a year even for a dozen games. Games that have a subscription and sell a box should be viewed different to avoid that loophole.

>>16405483

Fine, asshole, I went through the video again.

"I know some people don't like this style but personally I think it's great. I will take good pixel art over crappy 3D any day."

"The environments are gorgeous."

"Pixel art first class! The visuals are great. I wish all pixel art games looked this good. Although I would've liked an extra pixel to work with for these emails."

"The environments and presentation are first rate."

>>16405256

> For every treasure lost to History there are a million pieces of irredeemable shit that were rightfully forgotten or destroyed.

Then it's a good thing that the treasures get copied repeatedly while the trash gathers dust in someone's basement/garage

>>16405347

You forgot the part where he points out that GaaS is worse than the nazi book burnings because at least the nazis didn't burn every existing copy of the books they didn't approve of, while GaaS bricks literally every copy of the game.

@16405508

Hi Luciano

>>16405509

They are. Just like how Spyro making a sandwich out of literal shit in a subway is art.

>>16405490

>>16405508

blackpillfag please stop going onto every single board and spamming the same shit over and over again please.

>>16405468

It's also why they are doomed to failure, in the quest for universality they will consistently gut their own beliefs until they end up being so vague that they will dissolve into nothingness. This is also why the Church failed to deal with the advent of rationalism, as they simply abandoned the intelligent and focused on the common man. Ignore retards and focus on people capable of higher thinking and you'll win the war of ideas in the long run.

>>16405523

Oh anon, there's no fun in NOT giving everyone a (You)

>>16405509

Everything is art anon, even the holocaust

>>16405509

>>16405433

>>16405417

>>16405366

>>16405355

>>16405347

>why aren't people jumping up his asshole for saying nazis are bad and burned books?

Because, while the ONLY time the government organized and was involved with the burning of media was after they raided the Institute of Sexual Studies (Which included the entire library because they raided the place and took everything that wasn't nailed to the floor) and set everything they plundered on fire, it does set a bad precedent. Rather than taking the time to establish why everything that place stood for was complete bullshit, they burned it and gave it power because "It was important enough TO be burned".

Everything will be a service. The era of private ownership is at an end.

>>16405290

> It was the reason why they would just throw away old Doctor Who episodes, because they didn't think anyone would wanna watch some shitty kids show.

and it was a good reason, no one should preserve some shitty reddit tier show.

>>16405347

Fuck people who get rid of information they don't like, you're just giving more power to it and making yourself look like a coward in the process.

Piracy is dead. Long live the Era of the Service.

>>16405693

How do you know the first episodes were bad? Did you watch them?

>>16405732

It's a reddit tier show made for kids and reddtors by the BBC, why would it ever be good?

>>16405229

>which is a drastically different game

No it's not. They revamped the combat system trying to make it less it shitty and they remade the central hub (which is a bit shittier and less immersive but considerably more user friendly)

99% of the game is still the same.

That's the biggest flaw in his whole reasoning BTW.

Pretty much all game are modified over the course of several years, online games can have pretty drastic redesigns.

This is evidence that no, when it comes to software sales aren't final and the seller does retain control over the content, even more so as those specific changes that do affect the core element of a game, it's gameplay, are typically always free.

It's not maintenance or bug fixing, or even adding new bits. It's replacing it.

Mercedes doesn't change your 2010 class S for a 2019 for free…

I'm seeing Ross's video pop up on a ton of sites. I'm glad, he's been very vocally against this for a long time.

>>16405769

Learn to read you gorilla nigger.

>>16405805

>It's bad today so it must have been bad in the beginning

You're the one that needs to learn.

>>16405801

He has really shit understanding of games he covers though. His videos are entertaining, but I think people like him because he likable in that non-intellectually-challenging way the common man likes and and he's tilting at the same windmills they happen to be.

>>16405805

The classic response of a faggot who doesn't know what to say

>>16405870

>ad hominem

Also climate change is a thing, it's just a part of nature and not caused by human incompetence.

>>16405890

I think the bigger issue than climate change is chinks feeling the need to throw 6000 tonnes of plastic in the ocean and killing every shark

>>16405933

>nile and niger rivers

Hol up, I can understand chinks and poos, but do nogs really even have that much plastic to throw into the river?

>>16405945

>india gets that much aid

superpower by 2020 guise.

>>16405945

>no new zealand

what the fug

>>16405379

I'm sorry you thought rip off Conan was a good game from your child hood.

>>16405379

>He also lives in Europe, where any form of speculation about Nazis and their role in history is an offense that can get you 10+ years.

That's a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one.

This video is currently going viral on leddit

>but they're complete cancer

Of course they are, but whether you like it or not, they have a lot of power in this industry. Devs always go there to discuss their games, devs listen to them for feedback.

>>16406052

2007 was 9/11 2

Post-9/11 world and post 2007 world. With the financial crisis as a spinoff comic.

>>16406039

no bulli pls

I don't use reddit, I use Invidio.us. They have an option to load comments from reddit on every video.

>>16405099

>tfw you will never watch London After Midnight.

I only play old games so I guess I don’t buy new games?

>>16406120

Nintendo were right to take down those sites though, legally, ethically, they were in the right, the people hosting them were making money from those websites, what Ross is protesting is as he has pointed out technically illegal, and in almost all cases could count as fraud.

But on top of that pirating these games is still stupidly easy, I pirated like 4 roms just last week, easy as fuck too.

>>16405524

this, stop worrying about it and let the industry either gut itself or confine itself irrevokably to a cesspit of self-indulgant mediocrity. Making your own games is an option too.

normalfags are a predictable bunch and their interests and behaviours have always been guided by marketing. When gaming was just starting out there wasn't enough profitability for big companies to hire big marketing teams and make it out to be the next big thing but when it got bigger they did and the normalfags flooded the scene like the entitled drones they are.

>>16405945

Niggers are the welfare race.

>>16405945

>>16406143

Also anyone else notice that it's literally only white countries that give aid? The Japs and Chinks don't give anything. Once whites go extinct blacks will soon follow.

>>16405256

Ross touches on that point in the video. The audience should make the call on whether something is worth preserving rather than let it get to a point where you can't preserve anything. Companies should make a very minimum effort to give people the tools to construct their own servers for the game.

>>16406150

The Japs give a reasonable amount of aid, but usually in response to natural disasters rather than manmade ones.

>>16406153

>they were just using the money to host the rooms

>Nintendo also required the owners to destroy their entire physical Nintendo collection

Haha, holy shit, this isn't even legal but they managed to get it done, who was their lawyer, fucking theresa may?

>>16406177

No, the lawyers of the defendant, that's fucking hilarious,

>>16406175

That's the whole point, make it illegal to straight up abandon a product people paid for.

>>16404978

Nothing that killing the enablers won't solve. Whales pay for games as services? Kill them. Those still alive will fear for their lives whenever they even think about becoming the next whales.

There is not a single reason to buy any games or consoles since 2007.

Pirate everything. Let the industry destroy itself, and contribute to end the companies responsible for the current state.

Get everything for free, and give nothing in return.

>>16405710

>>16405621

Piracy is eternal. It will always find a way. Piracy always wins.

>>16406103

What does that have to do with London After Midnight?

>>16406136

>Making your own games is an option too.

How many people are there that have competent coding skills and how many of them have the time and patience to make a game?

>>16406187

Except that is fucking hilarious, and of course I'm a kike, stupid fucking gentile.

>>16406198

>i fear the gentile

You people are legitimately pathetic.

>>16406158

See, people would have to put their money where their mouth for that to work. People like Ross are stupid because they think that an ideal situation is possible in spite of the fact that people on average are stupid and/or lazy. It's like film buffs who continually bemoan popular modern trash movies but still watch them, you can't fix stupidity in people, all you can do is find a space that suits you. If your space was the mainstream gaming scene, you are fucked and should do something else with your time. If you already were liking niche games, they are certainly out there and always will be.

>>16406189

>How many people

Not many, but you never needed more than a handful to make a fun game as long as the passion to make it was there. The point is keep it niche else the normalfags will want in on it.

>>16406175

The minimum effort that Ross describes is stuff like releasing packet data and releasing code for the game client. He spoke to a custom server programmer who stated that it would take a company most likely a few hours to release this information publicly.

>>16406217

He also pointed out that companies would most likely actually plan for this information being released when they'd eventually shut the servers down if they could actually be sued if they didn't release it. The vast majority of the time the company just decides to kill the server and cut their losses immediately rather than do even the smallest effort to allow consumers to play their game.

>>16404978

If games as a service, stream gaming, become the norm, and they suck, then what has been accomplished, really?

If they don't suck they'll only cater to first world countries and remain unknown to people outside of game streaming's arm. Pirating creates fandoms in other countries, and when those countries develop, they have established fandoms already, and then selling to them becomes extremely profitable.

Second, games that get streamed exclusively are going to suck balls.

Assuming no one can pirate any more games, games will just fall farther in profit, as AAA games have been doing.

And this becomes the compost for the next wave of entertainment. Shit games and bad services mean better ones pop up elsewhere to fill the niche.

If people really have a problem with it and they will, then it will not succeed, or it will simply fade like a fad.

>>16406223

>Second, games that get streamed exclusively are going to suck balls.

I don't think you understand anon. Streaming only is something the industry wants desperately because it means a 0% piracy rate. Expect publishers like Ubisoft and EA among many, many others to jump on-board with it. And expect some publishers to go "we'll finance your game only if its streaming only". Eventually if this keeps going on for long enough it will affect a game you actually want to play in the future.

>Assuming no one can pirate any more games, games will just fall farther in profit, as AAA games have been doing.

AAA games generally speaking make massive dosh off microtransactions. It seems like the kids will just venture toward what's popular regardless of what limitations it has.

>If people really have a problem with it and they will, then it will not succeed, or it will simply fade like a fad.

Do you really want to take that risk?

>>16406230

>Expect publishers like Ubisoft and EA among many, many others to jump on-board with it. And expect some publishers to go "we'll finance your game only if its streaming only". Eventually if this keeps going on for long enough it will affect a game you actually want to play in the future.

Games they make are shit right now, you don't need a hypothetical situation like 0% piracy that they knowingly sell as snake oil to investors.

>Do you really want to take that risk?

Better start that gaming revolution then and storm the castles to eliminate the risk. Good luck, I'll just be playing games that don't suck in the non-streamable niche market.

>>16406238

>Games they make are shit right now

Games THEY make yes. However they generally set trends that everyone else follows. Like EA invented the pay-to-win lootbox with FIFA's Ultimate Team that every other company copied.

>>16406242

>thinking you can force companies to give up their moneymakers

Releasing packet data and code for the client software is giving up nothing. The company has no further use for this code. The only reason they don't do this is because 1. They don't have to and 2. It costs some money to pay someone to compile this data and release it and they aren't making money off the game anymore.

>even if they already made their profits from them several times over by then and have no further use for them

They would if they had to because of legislation. This is already starting to happen with lootboxes.

Additionally this legislation doesn't need to happen everywhere. Valve for instance only implemented Steam refunds after they lost their court case in Australia and saw the writing on the wall that this would inspire more court cases elsewhere. They'd also completely be forced to not sell games in Australia. A single big vidya market country like Germany doing this alone would be enough to make it a standard practice.

>>16406252

If they copy that method, they are obviously making games I don't want to play. This is beneficial to me because they remove themselves and their customers from my section of the 'industry'. Hell, I'm sure there would be a rash of companies specifically selling themselves as being in opposition to this method to gain goodwill among a niche fanbase.

>>16404978

Making my own. Shout-out to agdg, 8ch and 4chan devs alike.

>>16406300

>haha you think I'm mad you burned down my house

>jokes on you, now I get to sleep outside with nature and get all this fresh air

>it would have fallen down anyways lol

>>16405939

The nile is wasted on Egyptians. If only it were limited to plastic pollution.

>>16404978

OP what's the last game you've played and enjoyed?

If you can't stand up for your interest in consuming a product, how can you stand up for your right to do anything at all? If government's only duty to their customers is to protect the rights of their customers (ie- taxpayers) how can anyone claim any right at all?

>>16406309

It's a completely false dichotomy since the company is debatably committing fraud by accepting money for a good you purchased and then removing your access to the good at a later date. It's something Ross goes into extensive detail in this video. You can't consider GaaS a "service" because it doesn't fit the legal definition of one. So it has to be a good you purchased, and there are laws that prevent companies from just killing access to something you bought just because they want to. He also points out there's legal precedent on this occurring with printer companies already.

>>16406303

>>16406307

>vidya is all I have

lmaoing at u rn

>>16406336

>Key word here 'debatably'

I say debatably because there isn't legal precedent for this in the context of software. There's a fuckton of it in relation to other goods and a lot of courts have already ruled software subscriptions are considered "goods". All that really needs to be done is a higher court to rule on it in the context of games being shut down.

Like I pointed out earlier Valve tried to use all of these same arguments with the Australian court when they tried to say "You don't own jack we sell you, it's all just software licenses we grant" and the Judge ruled that they technically sold goods so they had to give refunds based on that or they couldn't sell in Australia. So under that logic if software subscriptions are considered goods then it's fraud to arbitrarily remove access to that good and not give a valid alternative to getting it to work.

>>16404978

Just like >>16406268 I'm making my own.

The problem you're describing is unsolvable. As long as videogames appeal to the standard-less mainstream that will eat up any garbage, the situation will get worse.

Just look at

>dlc outta the ass

>gachashit/lootboxes

>grindan forever design, better pay up goy if you value your time

>what, you don't want to play grindan forever? here's daily rewards so you feel semi-obligated to do a daily round. we wouldn't want you to be tempted to play OTHER games, right?

>always online DRM on singleplayer games

>DRM that makes the game run significantly worse

>overall degeneration of gameplay design to try and make it more appealing, creating an unrecognizable mess of incoherent gameplay mechanics that poorly interact with eachother, producing a buggy barely interactive mess where any deviation from dev-intended strategies will screw you over

Same shit people have been saying for years. Games just need to exit the mainstream market, and the situation will improve.

>>16406245

I haven't watched his video yet, but it's also a very important argument that companies want to avoid competing with themselves.

This is currently not that big of a thing in videogames, but I'm certain it will be if streaming becomes the standard.

>>16405939

Where do you think all of our aged or broken electronics go? They don't get recycled, they're shipped off to third world country as (((developmental aid))), where the nogs rip out & smelt out all valuable metals, and leave the rest to seep into the environment. It's cheaper, you know!

Now don't forget to do your contribution to (((clean energy))) and buy a solar panel that in 30 years the nogs will gladly recycle into the ecosystem for you.

>>16406353

>I haven't watched his video yet, but it's also a very important argument that companies want to avoid competing with themselves.

They aren't actually competing with themselves since most of the time a private server emulator runs the game for free and operates based on donations. They're only competing with themselves on a conceptual level in that if they make a sequel mmorpg they can't just force customers to stop playing the old one and play the new one instead. If anything it's giving more rights to the consumer.

>>16405256

I disagree. Yeah there are some mediocre art faggot games that have minimal effort put into them and don't even provide entertainment value in an ironic way, but some games like vid related are worth salvaging because they're a form of "art brut" - you can tell the devs did put effort in, they just weren't competent enough to do anything decent, but it's still entertaining and valuable precisely for that reason. You can see what they were trying to do even though they failed. You can see aspects of the culture of the time period in which the thing was created and how it influenced their decisions. You can be entertained from the kitsch factor alone. This is pure gaming essence and must be protected.

>>16406595

He's American, though.

>>16406624

>The whole issue here is he act like the biggest issue with these games is that in the end you don't receive support.

His largest issues isn't that those games don't receive support, it's that those games die all together and that trends show that this will only get worse. He doesn't cover the quality of games because that's an issue that means little if the game itself is dead.

>>16406611

Yes, he's genetically American. Chief Wampawampa Ross.

>>16406631

Games dying isnt an issue since these companies that go for this model have never produced a worthwhile game. The problem is that allows lazy corporation to generate infinite cash by abusing retards and allowing them continuously produce more products with same intent and not merely as a means of quick buck for a real project with artistic vision. Their existence actively make games worse for the consumer.

>>16406650

Can you link the game? What is it about?

>>16406645

>Games dying isnt an issue since these companies that go for this model have never produced a worthwhile game.

City of Heroes would beg to differ.

>>16405769

>condescending tone

>defending a shit show

yeah, fuck off, faggot.

>>16406661

But thats one instance and thats not the core issue here.

>>16406645

>Games dying isnt an issue since these companies that go for this model have never produced a worthwhile game.

As this practice gains traction so does the possibility of it affecting a game you care about. Just sitting around hoping it won't impact you is a fools choice. Also, how many games are the result of someone playing a game and thinking "I like this idea but I think it could be done better"? Kill the original game and you might kill off any successor.

>Their existence actively make games worse for the consumer.

They may produce shit, yes, but outright destroying someone's product I would argue is even worse.

>>16406667

For you in this moment perhaps.

>>16406671

I'm really interested in how you made forklifts fun to play with. Puzzle game? Demolition derby?

>>16406639

>insulting a member of the Shakabrah

tha'ts not swood, dude.

>>16406671

But anon, there's already a Shenmue remaster.

>>16406679

>As this practice gains traction so does the possibility of it affecting a game you care about

How would I ever care about a game designed as a service? I approve of corralling normalfags into them and milking them with microtransactions in order to leave a space for good niche games made by principled developers. Using legislation to remove such practices won't magically make better games, because it does nothing to fix the audience themselves, which is the root of the problem. GaaS is a great form of segregation and something we've missed in the hobby.

>outright destroying someone's product

Someone who was stupid enough to buy into it deserves it. This is such a non-issue used by people looking for a cause to rally to.

Industry insider here,

>muh tits or fuck off

i don't care

This Video is problematic!

Who is this weird guy anyway? Strange haircut, strange face, strange teeths. But i can see with what he comes up. He seems very pro-consumer and is focused as hell to get this ball rolling (as in his own words). See, this is actually problematic, as an insider i can tell you, there are many things changing right now, there is a lot of "testing the water" right now and if shit like this video goes viral now, there is no natural way for this industry to develope to something where the consumer could be happy.

He is basiclly calling for a war.

I know this sounds hard right now, doing war on a consumer is ok, doing war on a content provider is bad. No matter what form of content, no matter if content is only giving in form of a service. It is simply bad. Don't do that. Don't even think about doing it. The markt will handle it. It already did as you saw how less the industry used the supsciption model now. And it will change more.

Listen kids, i know you are here for fun in video games, i know you all like those old fashion video games who got meat on their bone. But you are also not the main targett group for this kind of product! Content changed always to get more people into it. Deal with it. Just leave this topic alone. It will die out soon and than nobody will care and nobody will talk about it.

Also, maybe this will help you understand this topic more.

Nowadays video games as a service is more to be seen as a evening in a cinema. You by your ticket and than your watch your movie in the cinema. You only own your time watching in the building, not the movie. When the movie is broken or shit or doesn't end, you don't get your money back from the movie maker do you?

Maybe the cinema will give you the money back but that money was not spent on the movie, it was spent on the service to watch the movie.

anyway, think what you want, but at the end, killing video games might be good for this industry, for my industry!

>>16405769

british people have been reddit since at least the mid 50's

>>16405256

Deus Ex matters more to me than King Lear. Eat a bullet.

>>16406781

>actor is some average looking bitch

>character model is some mongrel that hardly looks like them

>i enjoy playing my game with latency that cannot be avoided thanks to the cost of network bus access

said no one ever, just as shitty as OnLive.

>>16406595

based

>>>/v/16405347

>oy vey why are people staying on the topic of game companies being kikes?

God bless Ross. I hope he gets lots of legal support from that video.

>>16405347

Because splitting hairs like this is completely missing the point and frankly I think you're trying to derail efforts to preserve games. It's completely disingenuous.

>>16405347

Nazis burning books was bad. Because they Streisanded those books as a result. The few that did survive got copied and read by a lot more people because people were interested in these books. You basically had a whole generation of people asking "What's so important about these books that the Nazis wanted to burn them?"

And guess what books were among those? Books that were the foundation for tranny shit, so if you really think about it, the Nazis are responsible for the modern shitshow of trannies.

>>16405256

What, did you just get done playing MGS2? Have a nice time taking the brown pill from the patriots?

The fatal flaw in your bullshit retarded assertion is that it begs the question of who or what is qualified to determine whether or not something has "aesthetic, artistic, or moral value", and here's a news flash buddy: there aren't any. You're applying a fundamentally subjective categorization system to works that are fundamentally subjective, there's simply no way to design it so that it only preserves the "right" things because the "right" things are up to the individual. You could argue that "bad" games don't deserve to be preserved, I could argue that they do if for no other reason than to give context to "good" games from the same era.

You're a fucking retard, and so were the patriots. If you're going to preserve media, it all deserves to be preserved equally.

>>16405256

No one's arguing that EVERYTHING should be preserved. People are simply arguing that there should be no piece of media that is impossible to preserve. It takes the developers a few days at most to provide consumers a means to preserve games. Then from there consumers can decide if they want to preserve it. There are games right now that do have dedicated server tools and zero players. But at least those games were given the chance to be preserved and humanity decided that those games were not worth preserving.

>>16406899

What subreddit? Because there's a few that are just obnoxious trash full of corporate cocksuckers Mostly r/Games and r/pcmasterrace

>>>16406912

>Mostly r/Games

That one.

>>16406933

Then disregard them. They are the most fervent corporate cocksuckers in all of vidya and normalfag central. They have no influence on the industry because they're those guys that will still buy the newest EA game despite having a laundry list of times EA has fucked them.

>>16406992

>Stadia for example, being part of Google means they could take your purchases away if you call someone a queer on Youtube since all their products are integrated

Even worse, the always on microphone on the controller means they can ban people for saying "nigger" or "faggot" even in private. Hell, Amazon is planning something similar with their Alexa.

>>16406992

>>16406998

They'd probably ban you if they catch you ordering onions online.

All copyrighted content should be in public domain in 20 years ls with patents.

>>16406992

The big problem with that is that digital storefront owners have enough money to timer scam your case if you try to sue them. The only time a case has been won against Valve was when governments got involved.

>>16407001

>20 years

Make that 12 years.

>>16406336

>send dick picks

While i see where you're coming from in the overall discussion, homosexuality is disgusting.

Stop being an homo. It's not even about his anonimity.

>>16407018

Don't put artist above patent owners.

>>16407111

reported

>>>/v/16407104

>>>/v/16407115

Hey /tech/

>>16407104

>GaaS is the inevitable future

What part about real time games being unplayable do you faggots not understand? This is a fundamental engineering issue that cannot be addressed by throwing more money at it. Until that problem is solved the most that will ever get this treatment is turn-based games.

Think about Twitch streaming for a second, or any stream. Think about how much delay there is between the guy playing the game and his video reaching your browser. Now realize that the delay is _fucking doubled_ for someone who wants to play a game this way, because they see delayed game footage, react to something that happened in the past by pressing an input, and then wait for that delay period AGAIN before they finally see a result. Even if the delay is a fraction of a second this is unacceptable.

>>16407129

I forgot italics was graves and not underscores, my point still stands

>>16407115

No need to be a blackpilled faggot, anon.

It's always been the case that the majority follow what's popular. But there's plenty of profits to be made in niches.

>>16404978

>Ross

Why is he so fucking LOUD? It's like he's trying to summon the ghost of Billy Mays whenever he talks.

>>16406134

Motherfucker, SHOW ME WHERE I CAN BUY A NEW COPY (PHYSICAL OR DIGITAL) OF DOOM64 OR SUPER SMASH TV.

Neither of these games are sold new and can only be bought used.

Many other games are in a similar state.

Only reason we doom64 has an unofficial PC port is because of doom's popularity and the fact that John Carmack released doom's source code.

>>16407205

Well, that and N64 emulation is so shit people would rather use a source port to reverse engineer the entire game than even bother with the obvious solution.

>>16405020

> I have enough of a backlog that I'll be fine,

Stupid newfag, in 10 years you will neither have the time or will to play your backlog. What you don't grind in your youth now, will be faded oldies that you drop after a few minutes. Because you already know how they play out, and you can't be arsed to grind after your day.

>>16406150

Chinese are pumping money into infrastructure projects in lots of countries, to put them into debt traps, as well as to turn Africa into their own source of cheap labour.

>>16407174

>Why is he so fucking LOUD?

Because he's not a meek faggot like you

>>16407001

Copyright is a human rights infringement, imposed by the USA kikes on the world as a war tax. Muslims have the jidzia, the unbeliever tax. America has copyright, the goy tax.

Nothing actively, just doing the passive act of not supporting this shit.

As a rule of thumb, if a game depends on a central server, has micro transactions, invasive DRM, or has done any other anti-consumer practice like removing content or banning users for bullshit reasons like being 'offensive', I won't buy the game. I might lose out on some fun game due to this, but as of yet I haven't seen any.

>And yes this is because AlphaOmegaSin of Forgotten Weapons made a video about it and got people talking again.

His video is really fucking good. I never considered the legal aspect before.

It'd be nice to have some fag take some company to court over a dead server and set a legal precedent.

>>16406283

Hi Jew.

>>16407250

Then I have less of a reason to care about where games are headed, don't I?

>>16407309

>It'd be nice to have some fag take some company to court over a dead server and set a legal precedent.

In order for it to work, that fag would have to make the issue be about a CURRENTLY ACTIVE game getting shut down. The legal battle would fail if they took it court over Battlefield 2142 or Dead Island: Epidemic or Project Spark (Actually, you could make a case for that one, but I doubt it would go anywhere) because those have been shut down for years. And, even then, the entire game would have to be inoperable. You'd lose the battle for something like, say, Halo 2 Vista because the single player portion is still completely playable offline.

>>16407330

No it's not, normalfags who have jobs and pay rent and other stuff hate reddit.

>>16407330

>It's too much work to make a "GaaS" title operate without the "service" portion once the company is finished with it, even with the bare minimum requirements detailed here (Pic two): >>16406245

<But, it's simple enough to make a game with an easy mode because all they have to do is rebalance everything

>>16406992

Companies can already do this. Sony took away someone's digital games because he called someone a nigger.

>>16407354

>We need to make games inclusive so everyone can play them, even retards without arms

>But at the same time a company killing a game so NO ONE can play it is completely fine

>>16407324

Easy, target a MMO game. The first one that comes to mind would be Marvel Heroes. F2P with an in-game cash shop. Anything anyone ever bought is now forever inaccessible because the game was shut down. Shut down in 2017 too.

>In order for it to work, that fag would have to make the issue be about a CURRENTLY ACTIVE game getting shut down.

There are always F2P/Paid MMOs starting up and shutting down, just watch one like a hawk and wait for the inevitable "we're taking the product you paid for away" announcement and start up a legal battle.

>>16407209

D64 emulates just fine. The primary reason to run it on PC is ease of control setup, new engine features and D64 is seriously dark as fuck, darker than Doom 3, on original N64, which is a shame because I love the art

>>16407285

>bongs

>helping Catholics

Something tells me the Rothschilds are to blame here.

>>16405388

Don't mean to go off topic, but isn't that the guy who claimed to be Hitler's bastard son who's mom was a prostitute? Or is this from a movie?

>>16404978

Get Copyright repealed from law.

It's basically a government mandated monopoly. Anti-trust should have obliterated Copyright, Disney, Hollywood and all the big media fuckers years ago.

The origin of copyright was in Britain and was made with the explicit purpose of censorship and profit squeezing. I don't know why the "land of the free" is still using an outdated law from censorship island.

Repealing it will crush streaming, as they will be using exclusives to prop up their inferior product, much like Epic is doing.

You could probably get a lot of support for repealing it to, since basically an entire generation of internet creators had their careers ruined by copyright.

>>16407453

Mary I of England (a.k.a. Bloody Mary) granted an unlimited monopoly to the London Printers' Guild in 1557, the idea was to have non-catholics and political dissidents executed by the State if they were caught printing. This monopoly on printing is the earliest form of copyright, you could call it a proto-copyright because there was no duration and no public domain, those were established in the 1700s with the Statute of Anne, which was intended to finally put an end to the perpetual monopoly.

>>16407542

Shows that repealing copyright at this point wouldn't fix anything, it would make the amount of trash coming out worse because every bit of titillating brainwashing material would spread even more. Printing press fucked the world by making the chasing of idiots to gain power the pastime of ambitious fools and greedy men forever. Every time people strive for more personal freedom they open the door to future generations being held in bondage to the whims of the lowest kind.

Is it just me or does it seem like they deliberately actually want to kill gaming? To me it seems like they want to make huge amounts of money short term but the whole endgame here is the eventual destruction of video games. Its just bizarre but it has to be this.

>>16407579

>Is it just me or does it seem like they deliberately actually want to kill gaming?

I mean if you prioritize short term gain you're absolutely going to destroy long term sustainability, that's a fact.

>>16404978

>so fucko what are YOU doing to stop online only games from certain death?

Trying to read up stuff on how GOG does their DRM-free games and how they get their license, also shitting on a certain Argentine waste of space who fucked off for the last 6 years with source code of an MMO that got fucked by Gook business fuckery, also checking out all MMOs that got working private servers.

>but anon muh-

>NO

>He feels like hes in a position to shit on anyone even though he himself is talking about the subject thanks to a gay eceleb

You're a huge fucking faggot holy shit.

>>16404978

>Stadia

That shit won't work, even if it's made by Google.

>>16406169

>The Japs give a reasonable amount of aid, but usually in response to natural disasters rather than manmade ones.

Not always. Recently there was a minor scandal in my country because corrupt politicians stolen and misused a large amount of money donated by Japs for schools, hospitals and dem programs.

>>16407610

>even

You mean "especially".

>>16407710

It's not a donation when you say we have to pay it off but we never do and nobody complains about it, goy.

>>16407687

I still don't see how shit games made for and bought by shit people being erased from history, potentially turning them away from games and cleansing the hobby, is a bad thing?

>>16407774

If you think ending copyright will lead to less retards flooding the hobby then you're dumber than the people you've convinced yourself are the source of your problems.

>>16407687

>Say N word

>Get entire vidya library taken away (This actually happened)

This is the world we live in now

>>16407780

That's not what I meant, I was talking about the topic. I said my piece on copyright already. >>16407566

Do you guys have trouble comprehending anything outside the scope of this video or something?

>>16407795

Then why respond screeching to someone who agrees with you?

>>16407798

>This is not a fucking copyright issue. It's way worse than that.

The "screech"(?) was in regards to this. I don't see it as a bad thing that they are trying to push this, in the long run it could be just the thing that has been needed.

>>16407817

Really this is just proof that all those sites are nothing but shills. Actual human beings can't get a word in on any of them.

>>16407817

It's why the legal side is so important. Normalfags will never care enough and there's plenty of useful idiots and paid shills to fight for these companies. Ross said so himself, in response to "let's try to change cultural attitudes so the companies feel pressured to not kill games". He said "no, we already tried it your way and games are still dying."

But a legal argument? Now that's something they can't say no to. Some companies can say no to Belgium, perhaps, but not the entire European Union.

>>16407817

Yet when an argument that doesn't come up in the counterarguments section is broached no one can respond because they let Ross do their thinking for them.

>>16407817

Normalfags and liberals love to defend mega corporations for some reason.

>>16405023

jesus anon DELETE DELETE DELETE

>>16407862

Yet you are defending them as well, since you buy the same games as them from those same corporations. Instead of cutting loose from those people by rejecting games as a service and create a niche market to be served you want to tie yourself to them forever.

>>16407836

Do you mean your own laughable excuse to do nothing like the normalfag you are?

>>16407610

Nothing Google has invented since Android has taken off

They're on a hell of a losing streak

>>16407911

When your enemy is making a mistake that works in your favor, you do nothing. Nobody is going to do anything anyway except some chicken little bitching on the internet for donations like Ross does.

>>16407836

>Yet when an argument that doesn't come up in the counterarguments section

Such as?

>>16407943

That splitting the industry into games as a service and traditional product games would solve the normalfag invasion of the hobby in one fell swoop since the corporations that pander to the masses will obviously leap on the former, while principled creators with a discerning niche fanbase will stick to the latter.

>>16407938

>bitching on the internet

Like you do, because someone is bringing attention to bad practices and seeks to stop it, people like you come out of the woodwork to discourage it. Why? What do you stand to gain? Nothing. So take your own advice: Do nothing. Say nothing. I don't know why professional welfare-collectors you like bother to respond to it, it makes no difference to you no matter what happens.

>>16407958

If games as a service makes all the money that is where the games will go. You are retarded.

>>16407958

This would imply principled creators aren't already attached to the latter in the first place. Which isn't getting them anywhere.

>>16407958

That's not an argument anybody made in the responses I've seen on forums and such, you are the only retatd that thinks doing nothing will magically solve all problems, and that's not even a counter argument to anything Ross said, it's completely immaterial.

>>16405306

Yes because no one can pirate game of thrones Its like Only legit streaming. 100%.

>>16407959

Did you get upset I dissed your in-your-own-head e-friend? I like discussion and debate, and I'm certainly not asking for handouts for it.

>>16407973

>I can fix people's stupidity this time, honest!

Sure

>>16407977

Games are not a monolith unless the consumer base is.

>>16407981

Factorio is doing very well last I heard.

>>16407984

I don't think it's a problem period, I think it's a solution to my problem.

>this assblasted shill

>>16407991

You're a stupid fucking retard. How do you intend to play a video of a game like a video game?

>>16408010

Because someone somewhere will leak it.

>>16407901

But I don't. I don't think I have ever bought a game as a service game.

>>16407958

>Principled creators

Don't exist kike

>>16408031

Then you are trying to protect people that have nothing to do with you?

>>16408037

Ah, you are just pessimistic and angry and want a target. Carry on then.

>>16408003

I don't give a shit about the video or who made it, niggers like you always appear and always discourage action in favor of more stagnation and more control being taken away, with ridiculous conclusions such as "if normalfags like it, it must be shit and not worth my time." and "if GaaS exists, it keeps normalfags away from games I enjoy, thus GaaS is good."

Your only defense is that someone made a video on the subject and you use it to dismiss those calling out your retardation.

>>16408054

So your suggesting pandering to niggers is a good idea.

you already lost the argument.

>using a VPN this blatantly

>>16408071

Pandering to niggers would be allowing GaaS to continue to exist. Stadia panders to niggers. Games living and dying as a publisher decides is a practice for niggers. I am against that.

>>16408091

I misread. The less you pander the niggers the better society is .

>>16408054

As long as you understand my argument, that's good. But really, I don't like GaaS, so I wouldn't like any game designed as such.

>Your only defense is that someone made a video on the subject and you use it to dismiss those calling out your retardation.

This isn't true, hell, I like Ross even though he isn't very bright, I just don't really believe GaaS will take off beyond certain types of games anyway. I think it's investor snake oil that corporations are pushing before the bubble bursts.

>>16408095

People played wow in cycles. The people that made wow knew this and didn't care they were rolling dosh. and released content when it was finished. until wotlk it worked because they knew people would drop the game and come back.

>>16408095

So when's that bubble going to burst? It's been around since before Y2K. City of Heroes, as you know, had been a victim of GaaS until very recently. Should that game have stayed dead?

>>16408053

>W-Why won't you let jews break the law?

>B-But goy if we let jews break the law more this will obviously have a good outcome and not just make things worse for everyone

>>16408128

Yes, it isn't good anyway, it was the community around it that made it good as far as I remember, which was a product of the customer base being different, which is why separating yourself from normalfag interests is always the right thing to do.

>>16408135

>Hey jews write and interpret these laws to protect us from you because we are too weak and stupid.

>>16408141

>If you want a bad thing to be illegal you are weak and stupid

I didn't realize I was arguing with an anarcho tard.

>>16408003

Which exists despite your statement. These 2 communities are already split. Putting an imaginary line isn't going to do anything.

>>16408141

>its userbase was not normalfags

>but it should stay dead

I don't see why it should stay dead because normalfags never had any interest in it nor would they today, because normalfags always pursue the newest, shiniest thing. City of Heroes is neither new nor shiny.

All GaaS games die because they are no longer new or shiny and the normalfags moved away. Is it a good thing they die forever with no recourse, no chance for anyone to examine them? Because normalfags liked it once?

>>16405347

maybe he's jewish

>>16408215

Man, you're retarded.

>>16408207

>he's a retarded idealist.

No, just a shill.

>>16408237

Can't be both?

For anybody wondering where this Games as a Service term came from, it's using the X as a Service paradigm of hosting infrastructure. The truer application of the term will be for the game streaming services, while the whole "buy this online game you can only play through US and nobody else and we can shut it down whenever we want" is the fraud Ross is talking about.

>>16408272

Considering how often the door revolves in that profession I'd say no.

>>16408273

>when your enemy is basically an invincible god

How are they invincible?

>>16407958

>That splitting the industry into games as a service and traditional product games would solve the normalfag invasion of the hobby in one fell swoop since the corporations that pander to the masses will obviously leap on the former, while principled creators with a discerning niche fanbase will stick to the latter.

Well, okay, but how is that even a counter-argument to GaaS being fraudulent and providing zero guarantee that you'll be able to play the game you bought even after the publisher pulls the plug on the server?

You've somehow misread Ross' stance as "GaaS in its entirety is shit" when it's just the lack of posthumous support for such games he's criticizing, and publishers lacking incentive to keep their games playable even after discontinuing support. Not the impact GaaS has on the quality of the game itself.

>>16408294

Not really.

>>16408312

>present actual evidence to literally everyone but us praising GaaS and shitting on the video

>lmao not really

Retard

>>16408319

certainly there was mass praise for the stadia, and no one, certainly not massive sections of every video game stream, was making fun of it as complete garbage

>>16408319

>mass evidence being "certain" subreddits followed by an anonymous cherry picker for opinions he doesn't like

Yea sure dipshit. Forget the fact that Rosses viewcount dwarfs this shitty little image board by a multiple of 20.

>>16408010

This is the shill's brain in denial.

Everything is pirateable. Everything will eventually be pirated and become available for free, away from the control of their creators and the (((companies))) selling them.

>>16408053

Creators and corporate suits are our slaves. They are to work for free until they drop dead and are replaced by the next slaves. And that will never change, no matter how much they try.

>>16408172

>Is it a good thing they die forever with no recourse, no chance for anyone to examine them?

Yes.

>Because normalfags liked it once?

Yes.

>>16408330

Everybody but shills are making fun of it as complete garbage.

You lost. You never win.

Digital distribution IS GaaS, you are no longer buying a physical copy and thats it like how it used to be, now you pay for a license to download it from their server. I'm not even talking legally, I'm just stating the fact that it is a completely different model, like outright buying a car is a different model than renting a car or paying for a taxi even if it involves the same car.

I've been pirating ever since PC went digital only.

>>16404978

Really the war should be on the video game influencers like the giant faggots in your OP.

>>>/v/16408498

Lovin this desperate spin.

>>16408510

ITs ross's fault for pointing out the flawed business's plan that will collapse in on itself. Obviously if ross kept his mouth shut they could keep on doing this for long and keep the horrible working conditions for those peons longer.

>>16408498

The kike is scared

>>16408470

>implies I am a shill

>When I am against game streaming and GaaS in its entirety

What am I shilling for? You can't pirate a dead GaaS game. The only reason City of Heroes is alive now is because it was always alive, just hidden by one faggot and his cabal.

>It's good for a game to be unplayable forever

Never thought I'd see the day torfag defend GaaS.

>>16408476

It's only different so far as you pretend there should be a distinction between a digital product and a physical one.

Not to mention your idea of it is literally how developers argue both physical and digital media don't belong to you after they sold it to you.

>>16407817

I guarantee it's paid shills. Denuvo had paid shills and GaaS is going to have paid shills because it is currently the biggest money making method of the whole industry.

>>16408632

There's no point in debating Brazilians, Anon

>>16408639

Doesn't matter what they say, to revoke an actual physical copy which means it has the entire game on the physical media and doesn't require some console wannabe platform like Steam would mean they have to get the government to raid my house to revoke the physical copy which they can't do, which is one of the many reasons the industry is trying to get rid of physical copies and why Valve got rid of them on PC

Download licenses are easily and legally revoked every day.

>>16408696

Ok but you do realize, if the first sale doctrine applied to digital sales, they couldn't. Right?

>>16408710

You're responding to a shill desperately trying to derail this and the EGS store thread by the way. Just wanted you to know.

>>16408713

I think it's still worth mentioning

>>16408719

Just wanted to fill you in is all.

Other than breaking into the company servers and stealing the game files, another way GaaS could theoretically be "pirated", would be a method to log in into the service in a way that gave access to the entire streaming content, without actually having an account, or a scheme that gives access to all premium content while having a basic/free account. Of course, these are pretty unreliable methods that could be shut down at any moment, and you'd still lose access to the games if they are removed from the service. We could argue it's not even really piracy. Just adding food for thought.

And I can't believe there are people in this thread who are confident there are other ways. Seems to me that most who say this unironically, don't actually understand how GaaS / playable streaming works. I hope you idiots are baiting, because I'd be willing to bet that not even Reddit is this retarded.

>>16405347

Ross is very naive politically. He's stated that his top priority is human survival, but competition over limited resources ensures that not all humans survive. It is undeniable that humans are no equal. Some groups provide greater chance of survival not just for themselves but the animals and environment, while other groups exhibit such destructive behavior that the world would be better off without them. This reality is excluded from Ross' naive worldview. I do not expect he would have a politically incorrect knowledge of history as most sources are thoroughly biased and propagandized.

>>16407817

Those smug normalfags who refuse to argue should be punched in the face. cold facts won't work so only brute force does.

>>16408128

>Should have CoH have stayed dead

Considering how things are unfolding in the cyclical,probably resoundingly yes.

>source code of a game thought long dead is currently out with a working server

<not all of the source code though and the build isn't that stable to begin with

>the only server currently available is one populated with cuckhannelers,reddit and trannies in charge

>a future for other servers existing is currently uncertain if not outright non existing

If that wasn't the mother of all monkeypaws so far then i don't know what is.

>>16409529

"Currently uncertain" is better than "certainly dead."

At least this way someone can pull a SS13.

>>16410025

I don't know how it will end, but just one year ago CoH remnants thought they'd never play the game again and now there are private servers publicly accessible.

The quality of those servers is debatable and I wouldn't disagree with you in that they're run by faggots, but still, better than where the CoH community was one year ago.

Why do you think it should have stayed dead forever?

>>16408498

The war must be only against influencers that side with the industry, SJWs and kikes.

The influencers that are against those must become mainstream.

>>16408788

Piracy literally always finds a way.

>>16410096

>Why do you think it should have stayed dead forever?

In one word:

precedent

Link to the video? Sorry for being retarded but I don't know who this guy is or keep up with youtube people

>>16410471

Look up 'MundaneMatt' on youtube

>>16405138

There is definitely some autism there.

>>16410654

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUAX0gnZ3Nw&t

Is there actually anything we can do to help this cause?

We likely don't have any lawyers but we are autistic enough to find info.

>>16408476

But even physical games can be kiked like that if the game requires you to connect to a server. See Diablo 3.

>>16411740

What do you mean physical? I haven't played Diablo 3 but if you can't run the game at all without the central server you didn't buy a physical game. You bought either:

A) A download client that downloads the game

B) An activation key to download the game with on their store page

C) A disc with art assets and other shit pre-loaded but not an actual game

D) A combination of the above

>>16411737

Search for politicians who might be interested in pushing for end-of-life laws (pirate party people come to mind) and send them a well-written summary of Ross' arguments and maybe a link to the video, then try to get them in contact with Ross.

>>16409000

>Ross is very naive politically.

Not really, his stance on that is more ecological when he's usually stating world wide. Not politically. He's spoken many times about what he would do when the western civilization went to shit.

>>16413230

>get woke

Woke is the leftist version of redpill, I.E. Get woke go broke ala MK11.

>>16408498

>>16413390

>the same post that is on 4cucks

>1 post by this ID

Corporate boot lickers are scared

>>16411551

Look ma I can be a cool contrarian too.

It's called charisma and passion anon, it won't kill you.