90f31c No.16404254
It's a
<Oy vey don't look at me they're jewing harder
Strategy
7a511a No.16404262
>>16404247
this seems counter-productive to making money. something's up…
a69744 No.16404281
They datamined all there is to datamine. They never cared about making money.
7e2eeb No.16404289
>>16404254
This. They must be trying to make Steam look bad because they pay devs less or something.
b093e4 No.16404296
>>16404247
>>16404289
Not everyone has fortnite money.
0965c5 No.16404299
That's bullshit and you know it's bullshit.
9d890c No.16404308
Epic has the near-bottomless pockets of Tencent at its disposal. Valve has very little aside from Steam. Really, aside for their big three multiplayer games, they have only Steam. Agreeing to a cut like this would be cancerous for Valve's bottom line. They're hoping that Valve agrees to this in some strange desperate move to not lose marketshare and slowly goes under. I would not be surprised if Epic/Tencent tried to buy Valve outright and Valve refused (notice how they're still entirely private), and Epic's hoping for Valve to get into a shitty financial situation, where they would be far more inclined to either go public or just sell a portion of the company. But fuck do I know.
d1cd59 No.16404310
87c2cd No.16404318
>the chink cries out as he strikes you
As long as what I pay stays the same or lower I couldn't even begin to give a fuck how much the developer makes. Remember when gaming was about the games themselves and the people who play them instead of TMZ for office workers?
6da7d0 No.16404322
>What the fuck type of strategy is this?
They get good PR from retards who believe them without having to actually commit to anything. If somehow Valve actually does change their model, Epic/Tencent will shift the goalposts and claim it's still not good enough.
9c17b4 No.16404332
>>16404318
>what I pay
You wouldn't pay for video games would you anon?
000000 No.16404342
>>16404322
This is what I think as well. It's a typical PR move that costs tencent epic nothing but makes them look like the good guys by idiots who think that corporations have their best interests at heart. Even if steam cucks, they can either do as anon says or else it's a win because it hurts valve financially in the long run.
0b8f5d No.16404353
>>16404247
>What the fuck type of strategy is this?
Attrition, Epic is owned by Tencent effectively making them part of the chink government. They could give away games and fortnite + gov money would sustain them. Steam doesnt have Billions of dollars they can piss away, Tencent and Epic do.
87c2cd No.16404357
>>16404332
You can go lower than 0 you know.
5db740 No.16404363
>Having the choice between digital kike 1 and digital kike 2.
What has PC gaming become?
e8bfab No.16404366
This seems like an obvious trap. Make the enemy conform to your tactics while they don't have the feasible resources to compete equally. They're really pulling some Three Kingdoms shit on Valve. If they take the bait, they can wait till Valve is in financial straits and swoop in to collect whatever remains. Bold but I don't think it'll work. Steam may be bad in many cases but it's still not worse than Epic on a platform comparison. They didn't even have search functions until recently for Epic so are you enticing customers to use it willingly? Maybe in a year they'll have a platform structure that makes sense but until then, they're acting like Genghis Khan while portraying themselves as Confucius and only stupid people are falling for it now.
5d3f4d No.16404376
>global platform that handles customer support, processes payments, taxes, hosts multiplayer servers,
>oy veeeeeey how dare they have a 30% publishing cut?
t. consumer advocate unrelated to chinese communist party.
87c2cd No.16404378
>>16404363
This past decade has been pretty much backlog or bust at this point.
973e2c No.16404379
>Kneecap yourself and I'll stop playing dirty and compete fairly
>Dude, trust me.
Not to defend Steam, but 30% revenue on digital sales is industry standard. Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft - who combined make up over half of the gaming market - all take that cut, plus another roughly 10% in platform royalties which Valve does not take. Yet Yellow Tim wants to paint Valve as somehow uniquely damaging the industry and stealing from the pockets of these poor multi-billion dollar publishing companies who are struggling to keep the lights on. Meanwhile, what actual incentive does he offer to consumers? Lower prices? Better Service? A spyware free launcher? Haha, yeah fucking right goy.
5d3f4d No.16404397
>>16404379
>Lower prices
The prices on EBIN game store are still the same, did some retard believe paid shills and thinks that people actually give a fuck if dev gets a higher cut of smaller total sales?
b972f2 No.16404448
>>16404308
>Whaaa Valve is so poor they only make millions of dollars every day in game cuts how will they ever survive
0965c5 No.16404452
>>16404379
He's just trying to look good for potential developers, despite what happened during Gears.
9d890c No.16404456
>>16404448
>how will a company survive if they give up about half of their profit
That's a very valid question, you fucking idiot.
2e2d93 No.16404463
>>16404308
Yeah, rumour has it that steam has been bleeding money from the impoverished valve since the beginning.
Just in the last month alone they've lost 920 trillion yen due to them throwing free games non-stop at users.
I received a free house from them yesterday, and I felt guilty taking it because I know it is only adding to their downfall.
724a66 No.16404488
Game stores take 50% of the cut, steam takes 30%. Epic coming along and undercutting steam doesnt make valve the bad guys.
The main reason valve even did such a high number was so that game stores did not boycott any game available on steam. Remember that steam started a long time ago when physical game sales were way bigger.
0d8216 No.16404510
>>16404308
>Valve defense squad deployed
9d890c No.16404520
>>16404510
How is saying
>a company would be in financial trouble if they gave up half of their profits
defense of anything? It's common sense.
87c2cd No.16404522
0d8216 No.16404534
>>16404520
>The company is so poor :(
ftfy
17bec5 No.16404536
>>16404247
It means Valve could still steal Epic Games' thunder at any time they want. The Epic Games Store has very few benefits over Steam as it is. To lose this one benefit would be another nail in the coffin.
b8eae0 No.16404545
>>16404247
<It was really about paying devs more this whole time!
<r-really!
<you can trust us!
<we totally weren't trying to manipulate the market and put more control in the hands of china!
<the fact that we offer jack shit in terms of functionality or features has nothing to do with the fact that we're pushing this 12% fee bullshit like we're the saviors of gaming!
<pay no attention to the exclusivity contracts that promised so much money to devs that they wouldn't have to sell a single copy of their games to make a profit!
56ae21 No.16404555
>steam does nothing for you for 30%
>goim, I will do nothing for you for just 12%!
87664d No.16404565
>>16404545
thats chinks for you. its the reason why blizzard made diablo that way and kept pandering to china despite china only helping them out once they replaced their workforce with 25% chinese. because chinks wont allow you to profit out their country unless you hire their cocksuckers.
87c2cd No.16404566
>>16404545
>also please don't think about the implications involving us having to pay for exclusivity deals after already offering nearly a near 20% more revenue for developers on our store
>and don't ever bring up tencent or you're banned
87c2cd No.16404570
>>16404565
And then they banned all their games anyway.
80c448 No.16404573
>>16404308
>Really, aside for their big three multiplayer games, they have only Steam
>they only have steam
>a huge service which has millions of users and keeps valve afloat without them even having to try make new games
yeah only.
56ae21 No.16404574
Also
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87664d No.16404575
>>16404570
china just wants to corner the market like they did with manufacturing, thats how they work and thats why jews are obsessed with them despite china destroying gdp with their construction and land development loopholes that give their country renewed economic value over a period of 12 years.
87664d No.16404585
>>16404575
over a 12 year cycle*
5db47b No.16404595
>>16404574
Tencent doesn't own 40 percent of Epic anynore iirc but the Bug spray is still always welcome regardless
87c2cd No.16404609
>>16404595
They might not officially own Epic but Tim sure loves to constantly take bullets for them and complain about anyone bringing them up (((for some odd reason))).
5d3f4d No.16404622
>>16404555
>>steam does nothing for you for 30%
Steam at least does taxes, customer support and online servers.
bfe3db No.16404635
>>16404308
You are impressively retarded.
41fa82 No.16404636
It makes a lot of sense. They know Valve can't afford to give that percentage to developers and Tencent can. The whole idea is to try and play nice with Valve, run them out of business, and then usurp Steam as the default PC gaming software store. Chinks do this shit all the time.
2f6a01 No.16404648
I'll be boring and apply Occam's; it's Epic realizing their obvious astroturfing campaign against Steam didn't work (in fact it accomplished the opposite) and so they go for bargaining, nevermind most if not nearly all of the criticism towards their exclusives has not come from Valve, but consumers. They're trying to look like the bigger platform, but in the stupidest way fathomable.
75a235 No.16404653
>>16404308
What if Valve simply unbanned all the loli and otherwise politically incorrect games as a fuck you to Tencent?
I know it'll never happen but still.
9845c6 No.16404669
>>16404308
>identifying Valves only source of income is the same as piling sympathy on them
Lot of retarded anons in here today. Although I will say Dota 2 in particular has made them some insane profit margins. Imagine selling virtual esports encyclopedias each year to the tune of ~30 million in sales.
I seriously doubt that Valve is that stupid though. They have been mostly shrewd throughout the years, with only a handful of blatant fuck-ups. Compare them to someone like Gearbox, or Bethesda, for example. This is essentially Tiny Tim waving the red cape at Valve and I doubt they are as dumb as a bull.
0d8216 No.16404676
>>16404669
>with only a handful of blatant fuck-ups. Compare them to someone like Gearbox, or Bethesda, for example
There have been a lot of fuck ups like Steam mismanagement, the shit stain that was the steam controller, paid mods, Half Life 3, Hats in tf2, and I can keep going on.
It's hard to fuck often when you barely do a thing, though.
9845c6 No.16404683
>>16404676
I meant fuck-ups that actually resulted in a loss of consumer trust. Hats in TF2 didn't do much, people only really started bitching when loot crates appeared, and also when progression was changed from class based achievement unlocks to random drops. Paid mods is one of the fuck ups I was thinking about. Half Life 3 is debatable, if they announced it tommorow I gaurentee most would still gobble it up as the most epic reveal ever.
dea771 No.16404685
>>16404676
>he doesn't fuck often while doing nothing
6025b6 No.16404722
>>16404622
>Steam at least does taxes, customer support and online servers.
The support steam gives players are way more than that though, they have a very good controller support/emulator, web browser/forums/guides sections built-in the overlay, have a community hub for news and update notes, let's you follow games that have yet to release/are on early access to know when they are releasing and other assorted news directly on your community feed, hosts servers and act as the middle man for p2p games so you don't need to open ports or fiddle with firewalls, has a fucking in-built wine distribution that let's you play windows games on linux without not even fiddling with configs and probably more shit that i forgot now.
and this all cost money to develop and maintain, 30% tax on sales for all this support to your consumers seems like a good deal for me.
0d8216 No.16404729
>>16404722
>Steam defense force strikes back
Yes, goy, keep giving them more control because of services devs should implement themselves instead. This is why paid mods almost because a thing with the cancer that is workshop.
9b40a7 No.16404731
>>16404722
But you don't understand, you stupid gweilo don't need any of that, while the poor publishing houses do need a bigger cut
5d3f4d No.16404743
>>16404722
I skipped all the player benefits because epic never gave a shit about them and the chink shills sperg out
<muh 12-88 split! think of the publishers developers!
>>16404729
>steam provides objectively superior services to publishers/devs and players compared to Chicoms using a puppet company to bribe publishers into "exclusivity" deals while offering NOTHING to the players, not even a fucking search function
<wtf steam defense force strikes back.
232d30 No.16404744
>>16404545
After seeing redditfags flock back to Leandros after all the shit he did, I can confidently say that this kind of approach will work for the bulk of normalfags.
cbc7fd No.16404795
>>16404545
This
Also, if Valve becomes a pioneer in brain interfacing and the technology takes off (I want my japanese waifus) I don't Epic would still be considered a competitor, unless the CCP is really serious about having a big foothold in gaming
87c2cd No.16404850
>>16404648
It's pretty funny seeing their government itself acting your typical chink beta passive aggressively raging over a white women not wanting his shrimp dick. Anyone's whose got the webm know what I mean.
a804d5 No.16404853
>>16404247
This sounds like someone who had a gun to their head and had to come up with something.
a804d5 No.16404858
>slashdot still exists
Oh boy, probably more a reticulating cancer than SA.
a73e0b No.16405049
>>16404722
Valve has fucked Wine documentation for games. Now everything is for Proton in particular. They are EEE'ing Wine.
73580a No.16405101
>>16404676
Half-Life 3 fags are a tiny minority from what I can actually tell in
THE SOURCE COMMUNITY
More what I see is people irritated Source2SDK isn't out.
9be2f8 No.16405416
>>16404247
It's just grandstanding to make themselves look better because Valve has no intention of altering the percentages.
>>16404308
While it might not actually change things, it would put Valve in a weird position where they'd probably have to renegotiate loans, salaries, et cetera, which is enough of a pain in the ass. I could actually see it fucking Epic's plan up for expansion, but then again it could also look like a sign of weakness, where everyone perceives Epic as a market leader. In any case, Valve probably makes developers so much more money that it doesn't even matter whereas Epic has to pay developers for them to get on their distribution service.
bc1af0 No.16405425
>>16404722
It's almost like the businesses that use steam chose to do so because those services would be a net cost to them greater than the 30% cut.
973e2c No.16405687
>>16404744
Of course they will, and that's why Epic is doing it. Because they know people will happily eat shit if all their friends are eating shit and talking about the shit they're eating around the watercooler - because they don't want to feel left out.
Anybody with a scrap of self-interest or a functional memory knows they're full of shit and will never stop paying for exclusives, exactly because it does work. If Valve matched their revenue sharing, they'd just find some other issue to paint Valve as the villains over and use that as an excuse for needing to force their hands by playing dirty. And if Valve tries to play by their rules, they will keep doing that until Valve backs into a corner Epic/China has made specifically to kill them in.
If people actually gave a fuck, the industry wouldn't be in the state it's in with moralized consumerism, microtransactions, live services, digital licenses instead of physical products, paid multiplayer, and outsourcing QA to paying customers and patching bugs post-release.
86b09e No.16405691
cb1f34 No.16405736
>>16404247
>the source is fucking kotaku
ff529c No.16405748
This is a nonissue. Look at steam right now: full of garbage and shit games from devs looking to make a quick buck. That 33% is probably the one thing thats stopping more devs from listing their shit games. Its too bad they dont raise it to 50% so we could see some decentralization of gaming and no, not into other clients
adb82f No.16406048
>>16404247
>This doesn't make any sense. What the fuck type of strategy is this?
It makes perfect sense. Steam charges them 30% because they do a fuck ton in terms of servers, delivering games, and even putting gift cards out on shelves so people can get games from them without bank accounts. They know Valve couldn't afford to cut its income by almost half. To top that one off, they already cut their share of the revenue, provided you manage to actually sell copies of your game. Epic is seen as some early 2000's console war anti-consumer shit hole owned by chinks, so they just stood up on their head, wrapped both hands around their dick, and said, "We're just doing this for the consumers, goy!" before jerking off into their own mouths, knowing that their claims would go unchallenged.
Their strategy has never been about making money, it's been about destroying the competition in order to get a foothold in the market. You think they threw literal millions of dollars at companies to release mediocre games that nobody bought because they were making a profit? They gave almost 4 million dollars to fucking Jullian Gollop. If Phoenix Point sold for $40, they would have to sell over half a million copies just to break even on their initial investment, and that's not even considering their taxes, or the cost of delivering a game to 500,000+ people. They simply want to end Steam, and become the even-more-consumer-unfriendly monopoly. All of their tactics are simply to gain a foothold and attack their opponents. When the fuck has Epic done a single thing to improve it's own image, or market a feature they offer that is unique, or anything other than attack the competition? There is a reason they make all sorts of wild claims yet never released the sales number for a single game they sold exclusively on their platform - they're getting fucked, and they have enough chink bucks backing them to get fucked good and long.
The worst part is that people WOULD like a better service than Steam. But the Fortnite Launcher not only isn't that service, but Epic won't stop jerking off into it's own mouth about how it's the service everyone wants. Then we have to endure cunts like Randy Pitchford, waddling back to social media when he's not busy making his dick disappear into little children, going on and on about how excited he is to make shit games that nobody is going to buy because Epic greased his asshole with counterfeit money printed from a factory that also makes nets to keep suicidal chinks from jumping in and clogging up the machinery. But that'll end after he fondles the cash a little too hard and gets lead poisoning.
e2afe5 No.16406116
>>16406048
>this steam whiteknighting
30% is jewish as fuck no matter how you look at it. Hosting a bunch of files that each user will typically download once is not that expensive. Selling gift cards that are shared across ALL GAMES IN STEAM does not warrant even 1% share cut from every game developer on the platform, plus notice how it says "selling", they're not distributing that shit for free. Forums and whatever are similar or lesser than the file hosting and for most games it will be mostly vacant anyway.
f90bb8 No.16406135
>>16406048
> when he's not busy making his dick disappear into little children,
heh
63de69 No.16406218
Well, that's quick.
Bugspray is working.
9d03d1 No.16406435
>>16406412
>nine
>NINE
>N I N E
43447b No.16406447
>>16406412
>tfw you can probably torrent and seed more copies of the game in one day
462fbb No.16406457
>>16404308
>Epic has the near-bottomless pockets of Tencent at its disposal. Do you honestly believe that Tencent will stick around and keep funding this experiment once the Fortnite money dries up? because if so, you are seriously retarded.
b654e4 No.16406458
>>16404289
>because they pay devs
That's a funny way of saying take
43447b No.16406463
>>16406457
Tencent will probably just open WeGameX to the western market entirely, because surprisingly it's actually much less shit as a platform than EGS, still mostly the same shit as steam but people would lap that shit up with no issues.
05d9db No.16406512
>>16406457
Remember that the chinese government will, as part of their economic policy, purchase a 51% share of any remotely successful company within their borders - or else. As such, Tencent's policy is not unlike the whole of China's economic policy: undercut everyone by exploitation worse than slavery while not giving a fuck about the social or enviromental consequences. They've already used these profits to buy off everyone with the political power to stand against them, who not only will refrain from retaliatory policy against China, they will turn against their own countrymen and throw the book at them while chinks are free to launder money and generally piss on labor laws while they buy the country from under them.
I don't know how the fuck can this be reversed. All I can do is share bugmen webms every wo often with whoever I know.
fc6598 No.16406515
>>16404722
True, as Hebrew as (((Steam))) is, it does have some pretty neat features.
aa4714 No.16406517
>>16406412
>tweet about people pirating their game and bitching about steam
<3000 likes
>Game still only sold 9 copies
fc6598 No.16406520
>>16406517
It's almost as if (((these people))) don't actually buy/play games.
3aa302 No.16406538
>>16404722
>very good controller support/emulator
It's the absolute fucking worst thing I've used in a while and it never worked once.
>web browser/forums/guides built into the overlay
Worthless, barely vidya. Literally one step below built in tutorials ala Stadia.
>Community hub for news and update notes
That's formatted like trash with convenient access to the newest patches being buried under a few clicks and a mountain of retarded shit announcements.
Steam has one of the worst fucking digital storefronts to exist. It's a barely functional shitfest that allows special snowflakes and furfags to make novel sized profiles detailing how much dick they suck so they're a-okay with it. When it comes to actual functionality, it's garbage.
>no filtering tags, regardless of whether or not you can include or exclude them
>no filtering VR or Early Access titles, regardless of including or excluding them
>tagging system is ultra vague with tags like "indie", "adventure", "casual", "difficult", "action", "good soundtrack" or "Female Protagonist" which leads to undesired searches and unrelated recommendations
>No filtering by price range or user reviews
>user reviews are a binary "like/dislike" instead of a grading 5 star system for distinguishing mediocre games, good games and shit games. Even fucking newgrounds has a grading system
>User reviews are filled to the brim with retarded "my third world toaster couldn't run the game because I couldn't read system reqs/game won't let me play or buy anything because I don't have enough ram, dislike!" or unfunny redditors trying to make le funny jokes, further worsened by the addition of the "funny" tag on reviews.
It's shit. It's a shit storefront.
b654e4 No.16406545
>>16404722
>>16406515
>it does have some pretty neat features.
such as?
The controller(why are you here?) emulator is the only remotely useful thing I've seen so far but most games already have support for it, though I'd like to see how many weird games there are with specific control schemes and how well those work with valves setup compared to some other far easier solution.
75a235 No.16406553
>>16406412
>nine copies
Is it because of Epic or is the game really that bad?
43447b No.16406564
http://archive.is/SROy0
>You wouldn't download a car?
9d03d1 No.16406569
File: ddc5377131b2b87⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 350.07 KB, 550x531, 550:531, ddc5377131b2b875ed3fe30ca2….png)
>devs arguing with people over Twitter
9d03d1 No.16406571
>>16406553
They're probably joking, the game's subreddit seems to be alive.
fc6598 No.16406575
>>16406538
>It's the absolute fucking worst thing I've used in a while and it never worked once.
No idea, works on my machine.
>web browser/forums/guides built into the overlay Worthless, barely vidya. Literally one step below built in tutorials ala Stadia.
Could be a lot better, I agree.
>Community hub for news and update notes. That's formatted like trash with convenient access to the newest patches being buried under a few clicks and a mountain of retarded shit announcements.
Not Steam's fault you're an absolute retard who's incapable of finding anything. It's not fantastic but still very competent.
>no filtering tags, regardless of whether or not you can include or exclude them
wrong
>no filtering VR or Early Access titles, regardless of including or excluding them
wrong
>tagging system is ultra vague with tags like "indie", "adventure", "casual", "difficult", "action", "good soundtrack" or "Female Protagonist" which leads to undesired searches and unrelated recommendations
What kind of tagging system are you expecting? "Good game with cute anime girl"?
>No filtering by price range or user reviews
You can sort games by those two things but an actual filter would be neat, agreed.
>User reviews are filled to the brim with retarded "my third world toaster couldn't run the game because I couldn't read system reqs/game won't let me play or buy anything because I don't have enough ram, dislike!" or unfunny redditors trying to make le funny
All of those are still better than your post.
>>16406545
<such as?
>easy multiplayer
>controller support
>ability to follow certain games
>access to betas
>changing the language of a game without having to download a separate version
Steam is by no means a perfect service, has shit support for old games (thank God GoD exists) and I can fully understand if someone doesn't want to use it, but it has it advantages.
f9e85b No.16406576
>>16406412
They gotta be yanking my chain, just searching the game you get a load of streamers peddling that game.
75a235 No.16406581
>>16406576
>streamers
Free review copies handed out at loss.
It's probably a meme but if they gave away some free copies to streamers and (((influencers))) to shill the game only to sell 9 genuine copies in return it'd be hilarious nonetheless.
43447b No.16406583
>>16406576
Probably just the devs trying to get a rise out of people by mocking them for not wanting to use EGS.
b7422d No.16406585
>>16406538
Your filtering problems are user error. It's okay anon, not everyone is smart enough to click the filters for "vr" etc. You're very special :)
9cad4b No.16406587
>>16404683
>I meant fuck-ups that actually resulted in a loss of consumer trust.
Did you forget them banning anime games is happening now?
377aaf No.16406589
>>16406587
Wasn't it child sexual exploitation games?
f9e85b No.16406594
>>16406581
Yeah, I'm sure they likely dumped a lot of free copies for promotion but damn, maybe they're hoping to end up in some pity game bundle.
>>16406583
I entirely missed whatever happened with that. I also don't remember a damn thing from the last EGS.
9cad4b No.16406596
>>16406589
Nope anything anime that they don't like.
e8da1c No.16406601
>>16404379
The logic behind Epic store is this: Customer doesn't care which store he buys the product in, he cares about the product. Therefore, if the product he wants is only in our store, he will use it. Therefore the way to success is not in wooing customers, but in acquiring products while preventing the competition from stocking them as well.
41c76f No.16406617
89c48e No.16407422
I was curious about something. Steam proved that by slashing the price of games you can increase the money earned from a title by increasing units sold enough to cover the revenue lost from the price reduction. Wouldn't this same principle be applied to game dev? If many more games would be made, couldnt this theoretically cover their loss in revenue share?
I mean, Steam doesn't need any more shovelware from shitty indiedevs on its platform, but wouldnt the idea hold up to scrutiny?
87c2cd No.16407796
>>16407422
They already put such little effort into shit that takes 5 years to make so anything timely would be gamejam tier trash.
dd6959 No.16407845
>>16404653
>I know it'll never happen but still.
blame payment processors, hard to sell shit when people can't give you money for it.
doesn't exonerate valve being retarded as usual, but still
>>16404676
<I don't like X therefore it's a fuckup!
>>16407422
>Wouldn't this same principle be applied to game dev? If many more games would be made, couldnt this theoretically cover their loss in revenue share?
only if it's the same supplier, for anything else you're competing for sales. more competition = lower price (basic supply & demand) and increased marketing cost since you have to scream louder than the rest to get noticed.
then consider devs still have to eat and sleep (pay rent somewhere) there's a limit how low you can go to still make a profit. and it still means certain genres and production values are off-limits - there's a reason there are so many pixel platformer "roguelikes" (so they don't even have to balance properly).
sales work because more people are buying shit making up for the lower profit in quantity.
2f96ab No.16407866
>>16404247
vid related
>>16404308
>Valve has very little aside from Steam
>the world's largest digital games distribution platform
7b5496 No.16407881
>>16404247
>we'll stop our cancerous practice if they stop theirs, You can totally trust us.
Please tell me people aren't falling for this horseshit
87c2cd No.16407893
>>16407881
Literally nobody is. You can tell because everyone defending it types like an illiterate or uses the same exact arguments Tim himself does. Shills gonna shill after all.
2fe07b No.16407913
>>16407881
Post more toriel.
e1116e No.16407939
>>16404262
Of course it is, Epic is just a sockpuppet of Tencent.They have no agency of their own.May aswell have promised to Ax the janitors.
1103a4 No.16407942
>>16407881
>pubes over fur
dd6959 No.16407946
>>16407881
by now people either ignore or take it with a boulder of sailt when tim "100 hour workweek" sweeney opens his whore mouth
9cbb13 No.16407953
>>16404379
It's "industry standard" because they all copied steam. Steam was the first major digital sales platform, consoles only followed suit in the 7th generation. If steam were to change, odds are Consoles would probably have to follow or risk losing a lot of their games.
87c2cd No.16407956
>>16407946
>defending himself this desperately on twitter
What a fucking joke. No wonder they want this spineless codemonkey as the CEO of Epic. An actual man would stand up for themselves.
7b5496 No.16407972
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>>16407913
Careful what you wish for, nigger
973e2c No.16408014
>>16407953
>sales work because more people are buying shit making up for the lower profit in quantity.
No, it's industry standard because that's what retail outlets charge - since games are their major profit maker, not hardware. And it's been that way for decades. Since the NES at least. Nobody wanted to undercut retail outlets out of fear they'd boycott the hardware and you'd end up with Sega Saturn 2.0.
This wouldn't change in the console space - no matter what Valve decided to do, and they're sure as hell not going to drop the other 10% revenue take in platform royalties either, despite selling hardware at cost or for a small profit these days - rather than selling at a loss and then using those royalties to make their profit via attach rate.
Any publisher that wants to stay in business on the console market is going to have to figure out how to survive with the big three taking a 40% cut of the revenue - and they so quite well, so it's quite doable. Steam only taking 30% (or less as sales milestones are reached) is surely not going to be an issue for anyone outside of maybe indie devs who are operating on much tighter margins. But it's not like MS, Sony, or Nintendo give them any special breaks either.
dd6959 No.16408016
>>16407953
>they all copied steam
and steam followed b&m stores, doesn't even make 30% at the end, has already lowered the cut depending on sale numbers so what's your fucking argument?
<Consoles would probably have to follow or risk losing a lot of their games.
>the platforms which dwarf steam in multiplats would follow steam because reasons
>the same platforms that even have an online multiplayer paywall
9407e9 No.16408020
>>16407953
Books still have a solid 70% publisher take. The digital industry sure has shit haven't gotten them to lower it the least goddamn bit.
2fe07b No.16408027
>>16407972
I’ve seen worse.
87c2cd No.16408032
>>16408027
I've eaten worse.
87c2cd No.16408034
2fe07b No.16408040
>>16408032
>>16408034
How did you even manage that?
87c2cd No.16408043
>>16408040
I was eating a graham cracker while typing.
379d2f No.16408048
>>16406553
if they are not joking it's probably because they made it EGS exclusive, the game is a decent clone of factorio.
e472ea No.16408059
>>16404262
The point isn't to make money anymore, it's to control and direct.
3d17c4 No.16408064
sweeney is such a faggot. i don't even care about the egs vs steam thing. i just want to acknowledge how much of a faggot this autist is. here's a guy who abandons unreal at its height to chase the console market because pc wasn't making enough money because pirates or whatever the fuck. he then weasels his way back into the pc market and hits it big with some repurposed, trend chasing cash grab
89c48e No.16408085
>>16408064
>i dont care about egs vs steam
>i dont care that companies are creating monopolies for content by purchasing exclusivity rights to discourage consumer friendly competition
-100 iq oneechan
2c7fcc No.16408100
>>16408064
>here's a guy who abandons unreal at its height to chase the console market because pc wasn't making enough money because pirates or whatever the fuck. he then weasels his way back into the pc market
are you talking about Tim or Cliffy there? :^)
>>16408085
Videogames are turning into as much of a shithole as the video streaming shit, but who cares lmao
dd7bce No.16408114
Really trying to make themselves look like the good guys. Pretending to fight for the devs. Wants to make sure steam loses money because they don't have the backing of a giant Chinese company.
f5ee45 No.16408117
>>16406116
>Hosting a bunch of files that each user will typically download once is not that expensive
Do you have any experience in this area?
89c48e No.16408126
>>16406116
The 30% covers all the dev time for the steam platform, the ubiquity of the install base, payment processing, platform integrity, etc.
That said, steam has been dropping the ball and leaving too many portions of their platform there as vestigial appendages like the curators tab where the most subscribed curator is a dead guy.
6497d5 No.16408138
>>16408117
it's really not. there are basically two options for it, one is torrenting and the other is using a variable cloud (aws).
torrenting has almost no overhead cost, you set up a set of cheap fileservers and let users do the rest. aws ends up being cheaper since you don't have to have any servers and the bandwidth is fairly cheap.
f5ee45 No.16408152
>>16408138
Steam serves files globally with a reliability that matches Google. It's always at top speed and has virtually no downtime. Globally.
6497d5 No.16408162
>>16408152
you can buy 99.9% reliability cloud services for fucking nothing if all you're doing is pushing out files.
i'm not arguing steam is good, i wouldn't use it. but filehosting is cheap as all shit.
973e2c No.16408177
>>16408152
I can't speak to Globally, but my internet service is complete garbage - and Steam downloads are always consistently using my entire available bandwidth. Microsoft's downloads jitter, constantly jumping from 10 to 25mbps, and Sony's are much more steady but is the slowest of the three overall.
f5ee45 No.16408183
>>16408162
Yes, Akamai CDNing is cheap. I am sure you have contracted their service before.
dd6959 No.16408188
>>16408126
>That said, steam has been dropping the ball and leaving too many portions of their platform there as vestigial appendages
that's mainly due to their "flat hierarchy" shit where if no one gives a shit nothing gets done. they still fund shit in the background tho, vr, all the linux stuff etc.
> like the curators tab where the most subscribed curator is a dead guy.
due to popularity, nothing steam can do about. fuck the whole curators thing happened because retards are to inept to find recommendation and news outside steam (like people did for fucking decades) or even filter the store properly and rather bitch about MUH SHOVELWARE CLUTTER.
and I still much rather have community curators that might or might not align with my tastes (but still works for everybody AND for the store) than some retard with an agenda or jew deciding what you can and can't buy (I'm aware the former is happening with steam too, but deplatforming is a thing these days).
6497d5 No.16408189
>>16408183
akamai is probably cheaper than what i've used, i agree.
5ac21a No.16408203
>>16404247
They know it'll never happen.
6497d5 No.16408208
>>16408188
>they still fund shit in the background tho, vr, all the linux stuff etc.
that has more to do with holding shares in the company. employees choose directions they want to go in and they try out things that are viable.
the linux bet is paying off, and will probably continue to. i wish the steamlink had been open source since it will be lost to the ages when nvidia is out of the agreement.
dd6959 No.16408259
>>16408208
>the linux bet is paying off
is it tho? maybe longterm but I don't see them making that much money in that regard.
either way, my point was they still do something valuable for the money, even if it's not that obvious.
>i wish the steamlink had been open source since it will be lost to the ages when nvidia is out of the agreement.
isn't there a raspberry pi version or sth? never used a link myself but remember reading somewhere people doing some open source stuff with it.
6497d5 No.16408420
>>16408259
limelight is nvidia's beta version, it works. it isn't intended to be long running.
valve has made more off the linux derivations of steam than any other ventures near as i can tell. with ubuntu being pushed so heavily i don't see how it isn't a safe bet.
47dfdc No.16408456
>>16404488
Physical games sales are not comparable, they have to deal with actual physical products, they only have so much space which is inherent advertising, and they outright buy the physical copies.
If anything 30% is way too much for digital distribution especially when you take into consideration that piracy digitally distributes games for $0.
That said,I don't give a fuck about how much the devs get, I'm only willing to pay for physical copies which they get less money from and I started pirating when PC went digital only because of Steam, the only games I buy are the rare DRM free physical release PC gets and sometimes I buy a physical copy of an older game off of ebay that I pirated if I like it enough.
>>16405687
People accepted Valve's bullshit, what makes them think people won't accept Epic? Valve used even worse tactics when they were pushing Steam, they got rid of physical copies, gave digital distribution a monopoly on PC, the remaining "physical" releases aren't actual physical copies because they require Steam, popularized rampant DLC and micro transactions and early access, made it so the only legal way to play new games on PC is to go through some console wannabe platform like Steam, HL2 was the first case of online client DRM for a single player game even if you bought it physically, it was the first Steam code in a box, etc.
>moralized consumerism, microtransactions, live services, digital licenses instead of physical products, paid multiplayer, and outsourcing QA to paying customers and patching bugs post-release.
Paid digital distribution, which Valve popularized,is a pre requisite of all of those. Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company.
9845c6 No.16408459
>>16408259
>is it tho?
As a Linux user I can tell you that there are definitely many more games available, and I begrudgingly admit it is because of Valve. But many of them are still games I had no interest in playing anyway. Still, I would never expect to see a native Linux port on just about any game with a significant budget in an alternate universe where Steam either didn't exist or crashed and burned.
As for "paying off" in a more literal sense, it doesn't pay much for them in terms of direct income now, but it is a good idea because Microsoft has effectively the whole PC gaming market share. They could do any number of things that could fuck Steam over entirely and have already tried – remember Windows Live? (Probably not.) It failed, but there's nothing to say they won't try again.
572756 No.16408507
Epic can offer 13% because they have no fucking overhead. it's just a shitty website with bad customer service
you see fucking steam cards in fucking Target, Walmart, 7 eleven . do you think that distribution is cheap ? Devs don't say jack shit about that. it lets people buy their games if they don't have credit cards.
47dfdc No.16408515
>>16408208
Fuck off Valve drone, Proton is the exact opposite of pushing Linux, it gives devs yet another reason not to develop games natively for Linux. Steam is the anti thesis of Linux.
What makes Valve think a meaningful number of people would switch to Linux? Did they fall for their own brainwashing? People using Steam and paying for digital distribution means they are too lazy to pirate or deal with physical copies even though it has ruined gaming as a whole, Valve obviously doesn't understand their audience or the reason they weren't boycotted into bankruptcy after they launched Steam like they should have been.
f7917a No.16408516
>>16404247
I vaguely recall some anon here explaining a while back that this is one of the ways chinks destroy competition. They operate at a loss in order to strangle any competitors out of business, and then jack up prices once they've killed off any alternatives, because no one is viably able to compete with them.
Probably seems obvious, but it's still interesting to see it in action.
4ede36 No.16408522
>>16408459
>>16408420
>As for "paying off" in a more literal sense
that's what I meant, I mean there's a clear benefit for us, but a business usually has different priorities. plus they wouldn't even need to do it, they could milk the shit out of steam short-term and then pack it up, valve investing that money in long-term endeavors that benefits the whole ecosystem is only possible due to the money they make and them being private
>>16408456
>Valve has done more damage to gaming than any other company.
how much of an retarded masochist do you need to be to post that bait in every thread mentioning valve and get BTFO every time? are you that desperate for (you)s?
5d3f4d No.16408523
>>16408507
I keep forgetting that you needs to give your credit cart information to Chicoms because they don't accept PSC, paypal, any 3rd payment processor, they don't have their own cards either.
47dfdc No.16408525
>>16408507
>buy their games
>digital distribution
Paying for a download license is not buying a game, Valve tried their hardest to take away the option of actually buying games on PC and succeeded.
Time for another Anti Valve and anti tactics Valve popularized thread
9845c6 No.16408528
>>16408515
>Proton is the exact opposite of pushing Linux, it gives devs yet another reason not to develop games natively for Linux.
Not really. Wine isn't a magic wand that allows any game to work. You will still have much more success if you use the proper libraries, like Vulkan and SDL.
87c2cd No.16408531
d2ec81 No.16408540
>>16407946
>A whopper at mcdonalds
I know the comparison he is trying to make but this isn't remotely like that, burgers aren't exclusive to any one store.
87c2cd No.16408542
>>16408516
That's how they get rid of domestic competition, but when it comes to international operations they lure in retards will all sorts of deals and promises but under the stipulation that they deal majority with chinks. After they got them succored in they pull the rug out either by banning them or sending a bulldozing team to tear down their offices because it doesn't fit some construction regulation that just got passed that morning.
47dfdc No.16408553
>>16408531
>If you criticize Valve for the damage they have done and aren't willing to pay for digital distribution then you are a chink
I can't even imagine letting myself get brainwashed by a grotesque obese kike
87c2cd No.16408566
>>>/v/16408553
So organic you had to pop in the other thread >>>/v/16408476 and try to spin your derail there too.
70877e No.16408598
>>16404289
Yeah this anon >>16406458 is technically right, they take a percentage of the profits, around 30% I think, correct me if i'm wrong on that.
>>16406412
That is so fucking pathetic holy shit, I honestly hope >>16406571 is right and they are joking, because my god wouldn't that mean their active community are all pirates?
I'll TOTALLY believe that Metro Exodus sold much better on Epic Store gaise!
b4447e No.16408604
Is this a rare case where exploiting chink company got BTFO?
Is gaming the only redpilled medium next to anime/manga?
e67f15 No.16408605
>>16404247
The kind where you try to turn the public against the competition or get the company to fuck themselves.
>Valve doesn't alter their percentage
<"See! See! Valve doesn't care about devs!"
>Valve alters their percentage to match Epic
>Valve starts losing money because they probably need at least a 25% royalty to break even
Except Epic seems to be grossly overestimating how many people give even half a shit about them. They're posturing like they have more influence than they actually do.
87c2cd No.16408622
>>16408604
Unlike steel and food it's really, really easy to see a chink game coming a mile away.
9845c6 No.16408630
>>16408605
Yeah, remember good guy Epic? They're the guys who brainwashed your kids into doing stupid dances. Fortnite is extremely popular but I doubt that it instilled a sense of loyalty. Though I guess Minecraft kids are some of the most rabidly autistic on the planet – they even DDOS'd Cube World when it was being developed because it looked too similar to Minecraft.
b4447e No.16408631
>>16408622
I think the steel and food industries just give no shit tbh.
87c2cd No.16408636
>>16408630
The popularity of Fortnite is largely fabricated in general.
2b8d49 No.16408712
>>16404379
>industry standards
>aka deals where the ones at the top don't compete prices with each other to rake in as many profits as possible
:^)
52156c No.16408782
>>16404247
Dev's will get paid more if they make better games.
>What the fuck type of strategy is this?
The strategy is:
<"Please Valve, Downsize your systems and cut your own revenue in half so we can buy you out. This Tencent money that's propping us up is starting to run out."
881bca No.16408883
>>16408636
It's not so much that it was fabricated as it is that it's not a true lasting popularity. Fortnite is a fad, the kind of popular that people look back on in 10 years and think "Haha, what the fuck was wrong with us?" Especially when you consider it's part of the Battle Royale fad and the people who play those games are extremely fickle. If there's a BR game that's even 1% better, hundreds of thousands are gonna jump ship.
87c2cd No.16408946
>>16408883
I saw Mario, Pokemon Minecraft whatever crap, talking outside of clearance store shelves here by the way, everywhere constantly when they were big and still do today but not once have I ever seen someone anywhere wearing a Fortnite shirt, having a Fortnite bumper sticker, seeing "Fortnite dances" period and I'm around kids all the time. I
973e2c No.16408969
>>16408630
>Fortnite is extremely popular but I doubt that it instilled a sense of loyalty.
Epic doesn't exist to those kids, only Fortnite. When they get bored of Fortnite, they're not going to be looking at other Epic games because of their positive experience. They're going to be downloading the next new hot free to play garbage that's big on Twitch. If any company is going to capture their loyalty, it'll be Microsoft, Nintendo, or Sony.
Only a few are autists who are attentive enough to pay attention to the name of the company on the box, and most of them can't stand Fortnite either because it's shit - or because it's popular and autists tend to avoid the social awkwardness of crowds.
9cbb13 No.16408970
>>16408913
Aside from the epic game store, which I refuse to believe that normalfags are THAT fickle that they won't touch a game that isn't on steam, what's wrong with the game? Graphics kind of look like NMS (IE shit).
9cbb13 No.16408976
>>16408605
>Because they probably need at least a 25% royalty to break even
30% is highway robbery and they probably don't even need 5% to make profit, not counting maybe high overhead transaction fees that can be charged separately. I expect break even is something like 2-3%.
87c2cd No.16408978
>>16408976
It's a blatant clone of a game with a generic title and incredibly bland graphics. It was going to bomb regardless of platform.
87c2cd No.16408982
>>16408976
Meant to reply to the guy above you.
6b8ad5 No.16408985
>>16406412
Well, accoring to their own tweet, you have two options: pirate or not play. Buying the game isn't even on the table.
>>16408004
Where the fuck is my Cirno you gay homofaggot?
87c2cd No.16408987
>>16408985
What a bunch of maroons. I get the feeling some developers self sabotage just to fuel their victim complex.
4ede36 No.16408997
>>16408976
>epic admits 12% is not sustainable without making some customers pay more
>doesn't even have additional services (= FUCKING EXTRA COSTS) coming close to the level of steam
< I expect break even is something like 2-3%.
2ea0d5 No.16408998
what % do devs get when I pirate their games?
881bca No.16408999
>>16408946
That's another part of it being a fad. Do you know anyone who actually bought Kony 2012 merch or do you only know people who watched the stupid YouTube video? I've seen one kid do the floss once. But he was severe autistic spectrum. We're talking Disney Cars shirt, SpongeBob sticker on his face and a 2DS (because he'd probably break a 3DS)
>>16408969
That's because to inspire customer loyalty the customer has to have actually risked something. When you spend $60 on a game and it's not shit, the developer earns your trust. When a game is free, you feel about it the same way you do sample tray food at the supermarket.
2dcdc6 No.16409005
>>16408985
no way they only sold 9 copies, my god, a game i made was put on itch.io and it was played by more people than that!
881bca No.16409007
>>16408998
100%. Because they get 100% of the $0 you were willing to spend on their game :^)
87c2cd No.16409010
>>16408999
Kony was more a college age thing as far as I'm aware so no. I sincerely doubt Fortnite is any bigger now than League or whatever was at its peak and is probably played by people the exact same age.
881bca No.16409018
>>16409010
You're absolutely right. If you ever checked Twitch, you'd see that there was always more people watching League than Fortnite with the only exception being if there was some big event for Fortnite.
87c2cd No.16409025
>>16409018
Well, watching a battle royal in general just sounds boring as shit so I can at least give them that benefit of the doubt. No clue about ASSFAGGOTS though.
840e1b No.16409028
>>16409018
Good thing your story checks out and isn't easy to disprove.
87c2cd No.16409033
>>>/v/16409028
Try reading the full post next time chink.
1e3136 No.16409034
>>16404308
>Tencent
the same company that owns paradox interactive
840e1b No.16409044
>>16409033
The huge event of random faggots playing against pros.
9cbb13 No.16409048
>>16408997
Where did they say they are not sustainable? Epic claims Steam is making a 500% markup on operating costs, do the math and that means a 5% cut would break even. All those extra shitty "services" don't cost Steam a fucking penny to keep, and Epic already has expansion in the budget as well.
87c2cd No.16409057
>>16409048
>Where did they say they are not sustainable?
From the CEO himself.
>>16407946
Please actually read the thread.
9cbb13 No.16409067
>>16409057
>Not counting high overhead transactions, charged separately
Learn to read nigger. I happen to be referencing that exact post as well with the 500% markup.
87c2cd No.16409072
>>>/v/16409067
So you're just desperately trying to shift the conversation towards Steam and Valve again, got it.
9cbb13 No.16409098
>>16409072
Yes they are the only thing that matters. Epic is nothing, they'll be gone in a couple years or relegated to the same corner of the internet as Origin. But if they can hurt Steam even a little, that's worth celebration. Meanwhile none of us should be buying from either one, so the only thing to talk about is celebrating the damage done to one of the biggest Evils in gaming.
4ede36 No.16409103
>>16409048
<companies do business to BREAK EVEN
<store features pop up out of nowhere! devs work for free!
2dcdc6 No.16409104
>>16409098
>But if they can hurt Steam even a little, that's worth celebration.
Ahh, i see, you're just a nigger.
9cbb13 No.16409113
>>16409104
No, you're just a Steam tard. If you don't hate Steam with every fiber of your being, you don't belong on this website.
>>16409103
Features generally cost money to implement, not to maintain (especially when you have non-existent customer service like Steam does). If you allocate X dollars per year to your development budget you gradually accumulate new features over time. In that way Epic's operating cost is probably already equal or greater to Steams because they are in the process of developing those features. You can't just say "oh Steam has a forum and built in IRC, so it must cost 150% more to run.
572756 No.16409139
>>16409048
>don't cost Steam a fucking penny to keep,
if that was true Epic would have the services already. it's clearly not and you're a retard for believing Epic's PR team
87c2cd No.16409142
>>16409139
No, you fool. He is Epic's PR team.
881bca No.16409911
>>16409044
Anytime pros are involved with something will draw views. Are you retarded or something?
77736a No.16410179
>>16408999
thats a man in that gif related, isnt it?
879bad No.16410255
>>16404247
>What the fuck type of strategy is this?
The type that costs them nothing and has zero risk.
2f6a01 No.16410283
>>16409113
>actively trying to turn the conversation away from epic and instead about how bad steam is instead
Wanna know how I know you're a shill?
9cbb13 No.16410431
>>16410283
Because you have brain damage?
>>16409139
You need to learn reading comprehension. They are developing those services as we speak (at least they say they are). Development costs money. Leaving a forum open and not doing a damn thing to provide customer service for it technically costs money in terms of bandwidth/webhosting, but it's so trivial especially with everything Steam hosts as a matter of running their basic business that it might as well be free. Development also takes time.
Frankly I don't really care though. They are shit and they won't last more than a couple years at most. The damage they can do in the meantime though is good.
bf820a No.16410451
>>16406412
Epic store offers refunds?
9cbb13 No.16410453
>>16410431
I guess I should put this in terms you niggers can understand:
I want my loli games. If Steam is going to stop me from getting my loli games then they can burn and everything else can burn with them. I don't care if it's china or fucking Israel lighting the pyre I just want them to burn.
9407e9 No.16410490
>>16408525
A license is owning your game, faggot. It's not legally revokable. Companies tried their hardest to spread the meme it is just lending and that you don't own nothing, but you do.
19324a No.16410610
>>16404247
Basically this >>16404353, this >>16406048, this >>16408605, and this >>16408516. They're trying to choke out Valve and put the PR quandry in their court by pinning the impetus for change on Valve cutting their share of the pie. They're trying to bait retards into complaining to Valve to comply to end the exclusives implying they wouldn't give some half assed reason to renege on it This will further strangle them by cutting profits in half, since if they bite they can't raise the amount back up without a lot of anger from devs and consumers, making it easier to kill them. Truly insidious shit.
e359b9 No.16411238
>>16406412
for a minute i confused satisfactory with factorio and could not understand how factorio could be doing so poorly. then i realized that satisfactory is a different, probably crappier, game.
>>16408032
>>16408043
lel
>>16408985
>30 people who spent 3 years of their lives dedicated to making Satisfactory
haha losers
d5d6e7 No.16411306
>>16410453
>Buying loli games with a card that is attached to your name
>WANTING to buy loli games with a card that is attached to your name
You're one stupid nigger you know that?
9f601d No.16411611
>>16410179
Consider a guy gets in a horrible accident and has to get a new ass transplanted from a woman donor.
Would it be gay?
c0f110 No.16411629
>>16411306
B-but muh dick.
90e964 No.16411658
>>16411306
There's other payment methods on steam, which don't require the use of a credit card and are harder to trace to a specific person.
Not that it's too difficult either way.
e43297 No.16411666
>>16411306
>what are steam gift cards
>what is PSC
>what is paypal
>>16411611
ass fetish is the gateway to sodomy, your own logic "ass is ass"
9b40a7 No.16411674
>>16410453
Just get your loli games off of dlsite like the rest of us.
d26985 No.16411677
>>16404247
This tencent store has been such a monumental train wreck it unironically makes EA's store look appealing.
2aefef No.16411723
>>16411666
>paypal
<privacy
Satan, I…
501e0a No.16412375
>>16411677
fun fact: origin had trials of most games and refunds before steam
501e0a No.16412408
>>16409113
>Features generally cost money to implement, not to maintain
who talks about maintenance? how do you think devs implementing that shit get paid in the fist place retard?
next you're complaining why a car costs several thousand dollars when a ton of metal is only a few hundred bucks.
>especially when you have non-existent customer service like Steam does
you mean the several third party providers they hired and probably didn't work for free?
I'd be fucking embarrassed shitposting about a company and stuff in general and get literally everything wrong every time. least put some effort in it. now choke on that (you)
52156c No.16413721
>>16408969
>Epic doesn't exist to those kids, only Fortnite. When they get bored of Fortnite, they're not going to be looking at other Epic games because of their positive experience. They're going to be downloading the next new hot free to play garbage that's big on Twitch.
Exactly it will be like what happened to Happy Wheels. Le epic meme that all the e-celebs children entertainers play for a few years then becomes old news along with the devs who made it.
a35815 No.16413953
>>16408998
100% holocaust.
9cbb13 No.16413975
>>16411306
>Buying games
I leave that to people with money. I can't pirate a game if it doesn't get made though, and if there isn't a profitable platform to sell it on, that won't happen. When steam bans games they don't get released at all. That's a hell of a lot worse than Epic forcing you to use their drm platform pirate their games.
bf99b5 No.16414024
>>16408456
>they got rid of physical copies, gave digital distribution a monopoly on PC
Retailers like Gamestop/EB got rid of physical copies. You'd go into a retail store, see wall after wall of console shit, and then they'd have a tiny handful of PC stuff and be missing most games. Steam won because it actually sold PC games in a time when retailers were refusing to.
973e2c No.16414069
>>16413975
>Steam won't allow (some) tiddy games
>That makes them worse than Epic
>Who bans ALL tiddy games and calls it "curation"
87c2cd No.16414086
>>16414024
Sometimes I wonder how many people who screech about Steam were even alive in the turn of the century. The dotcom bubble really put a number of the retail sale of all PC software, games included, to the point you pretty much had to go to either Sam's Club or Best Buy here in the US if you wanted to find anything other than a store shelf filled with Sims expansions and Blizzard compilations.
c10803 No.16414093
>>16408525
>Time for another Anti Valve and anti tactics Valve popularized thread
While you're at it, can you make a thread about world hunger too?
095fb6 No.16414249
>>16404247
Bullshit. They're still going to pay for exclusives, even if Steam does pay more. No one will use Epic if Steam gives a bigger cut, due to Steam having a much bigger user base, so the only way for the Epic Store to compete and get new games will be to pay for exclusives. It's the only way Epic Store to stay somewhat relevant.
53507f No.16414281
>>16414249
No anon you don't understand, Epic are only doing this out of the goodness in their hearts! They just want to make the industry better for developers. They have no ulterior motives. They're on our side, the side of the gamers! We have to show our support by buying every game in their store right now.
I hate Steam and refuse to buy from them, with paid mods being the final straw. That doesn't mean that I want competition that is even worse, because all that does is create a race for the bottom. I wonder just how many of the Tencent Store shills actually believe they're creating competition.
87c2cd No.16414287
>>16414281
If shills actually believed what they said they probably wouldn't have to be paid to say it.
45ceb5 No.16414453
This is a desperation tactic to throw shade at Steam, because Tim Sweeney knows that no one wants the Epic store. Why wouldn't they? I mean Epic Games Store is only majority owned by the chinks, right? Who wouldn't want to be spied on, and have it data mine their drives? Why wouldn't you want to have your games launcher snoop and report your internet traffic? Surely you've got nothing to hide, right?!
e43297 No.16414459
>>16414086
Judging by the spergs screeching about "steam ruined gaming as a whole" not many because unfortunately "day 1 patches" were an inevitability unless there was an alien conspiracy keeping internet infrastructure underdeveloped compared to every other aspect of computing.
leftists retards and pajeets don't help programming in any way either.
89c48e No.16414546
There has to be a breakeven point where the exclusivity agreement doesn't match what they miss out on by being on a service no one uses. The only people who have the epic launcher are fortnite npcs and those people rarely go for niche games or really any type of games rather than shooty shooty bang bang games. So this exclusivity challenge is really a temporary paper tiger that will prove to be financially disastrous to any developer who chooses the epic store.
>giving your cc to chicoms
You are begging to get wallet raped.
7710cd No.16415324
>>16408525
>Paying for a download license is not buying a game
Buying a DVD isn't buying a game. This argument will never stop being retarded.
ad2ea6 No.16415681
>>16414546
The reason Devs jump to Epic is because they get a guarantee payment for their first 100 000 copies or some shit. As in Epic pays you how much you would get if you'd actually sold that amount before you actually sell it, because Tencent fuck you money.
Obviously this isn't a viable long term strategy like the 12% cut, but it is an extremely aggressive attempt to moneyhat their way into the market without offering ANYTHING compared to other platforms aside from login queues(heh).
I completely expect them to go to a more typical 25% split later on after the initial push.
That said I am Valve are finally getting some fire under their feet, so hopefully that pushes them to improve their efforts. So while they aren't truly a monopoly, staying at the top for so long certainly made them complacent on some fronts.
87c2cd No.16415687
>>16415681
I'm willing to bet the developers didn't actually get any money and all and like the dumbasses they are just signed a contract with the chinks that they won't ever keep their end of the bargain on.
3d17c4 No.16415703
>>16414086
>to the point you pretty much had to go to either Sam's Club or Best Buy
good point i never gave much thought about. you really could never find anything unless it was at best buy. i also used to buy pc games at my local bookstore of all places
a5b47a No.16415709
>>16404247
Steam = I buy.
Epic = I pirate.
Tim Sweeny can't do shit.
45ceb5 No.16415717
>>16415709
But there's nothing worth pirating on the epic store, so why bother?
a5b47a No.16415725
>>16415717
I will pirate Control and Phoenix Point.
572756 No.16415990
>>16407946
this guy literally runs a sweatshop and is talking about whats " good for the industry" he can fuck off. 100 hour work weeks.
at least valve doesn't treat their employees like shit.
adb82f No.16416282
>>16415725
>Phoenix Point
Hope you wait two years for all of the DLC to come out, unless you plan on pirating it multiple times. I'm actually surprised that people got upset that they'd have to wait to play that game when it's not even going to be complete for years to come. Gollop was never good.
87c2cd No.16416290
>>16416282
Nobody would care about the epic store shit if it wasn't happening to games that were actually advertised and available for preorder on other stores before they got bought out. Hell, that Metro game was revealed before the epic store even existed.
772084 No.16416451
>>16404247
It's an attempt to force Valve to cut their income by more than half to compete on "equal grounds" because Epic's strategies have so far ALL failed.
>Offer lower rates than Steam for developers
Didn't work, so they moved-on to Exclusivity deals.
>Exclusive Release Windows
Didn't work and drew ire from the community. In the short-term maybe led to a few lost sales but seems like every developer who signs-on does it and then laments that they have nobody buying it.
>Say Valve is unfair to developers
Might work but probably won't. They're just capitalizing on the fact that, in many threads online (especially plebbit, etc) they will say small developers have it hard on Steam and that Valve should take a smaller cut. They just want to sway public opinion against Valve. Probably won't work outside of a few plebbitors who are probably also self-described communists and want "Indie Game Devs" to get free money just for being the little guy.
This is one of the worst attempts at bluffing I've ever seen. It's so transparent. Anyone who falls for this and puts pressure on Valve has to be actually retarded to blame them for Epic's business practices. If you see anyone saying "tell Valve to drop their rates so Epic Exclusives will go away!" then call them a retarded slack-jawed faggot because they are one. Epic is mad they can't buy their way to a monopoly. Valve shows why going public with your company is a terrible idea. Same for Epic, in a totally different way.
Show the chinks you can't be bought. Buy from GOG if you don't like Steam. Never buy exclusives.
Epic is getting desperate because they know their last five strategies have failed and their next five are desperate bids for attention. Their store is going to die and take all those developers with exclusivity deals with them, killing any chance of Epic or other publishers starting their own competing stores for the near future.
Epic itself will probably go under once Fortnite stops being popular with fickle 11-year-olds and they move on to something trendier.
Eventually Tencent will realize Epic is not going to turn a profit ever and either fold them or just use their brand for something else.
Their income is probably solely from Unreal licenses at this point.
87c2cd No.16416470
>>16416451
It was pretty funny seeing them desperately try to push that indie taxⓚ meme even here.