/v/ - Video Games

>It's another thread about /k/ demanding realism in video games when no one else does

>>16382523

To be fair gun durability is a shit mechanic that only exists to be annoying

>>16382534

I think you mean “depth to combat mechanics”, anon

>>16382534

It would be cool if you could intentionally give busted weapons to your enemas.

*enemies

fucking autocorrect.

>>16382540

>busywork

>depth

>>16382541

Enemies have busted guns by default in any game with durability but they only jam for you.

HITMAN™ counts one in the chamber

Every game requiring you to aim down iron sights to hit something.

GET RID OF THIS, IT'S OBNOXIOUS

>>16382533

>flails

>clownish unwieldy weapons as if they're a staple of realistic medieval combat

but is it enjoyable to play?

if you play it to suffer you are moron or masochist

>>16382523

Shotguns that perform as they do in real life would be great faggot.

>pick up assault rifle type weapon

>clip only has 12 shells

>only through upgrading it to a FAMAS type weapon can the clip capacity be increased to 50 shells

>>16382598

Where did I say realistic?

>>16382534

How could gun durability and maintenance be made into a meaningful gameplay mechanic?

>>16382616

and in 3, 2, 1…

>>16382619

example?>>16382619

>>16382545

>HITMAN™

I fucking abhor sniping in that game.

>literally every single weapon is a hitscan with a more or less reasonable damage fall-off

>Only Snipers have some fucktarded travel time, worthless scope with meaningless markings that don't allow you to measure distance and travel time reliably, it's guesswork

>Sniping doesn't simulate gravity, Coriolis effect or wind

>2nd sniping map has a bootleg SVD

>Bootleg SVD doesn't have a bootleg PSO-1 scope

>>16382648

have the ability to field-strip your guns and varied Jam states other than "bang doesn't come out, mash button to fix"

>>16382648

>Jagged Alliance type game

>contract dudes to fix your guns

>different factions and freelance people to work with leading to various results

>you can do the same for other factions

>piss some junglenigger off

>he'll intentionally make your guns faulty and prone to backfiring

>you can do the same to them

>can also work undercover and sabotage other faction operations

I just want to start a big standoff type mission where the enemy is confident they'll win and suddenly all their shit starts blowing up in their face.

>>16382648

Replace it by random negative or positive modifiers on looted or used guns. Only characters with sufficient gunsmithing skills can ID these. They are permanent unless fixed (which often isn't worth it) and new guns don't have any unless upgraded.

>>16382719

Their animators most likely couldn't make spear animations look passable, so they just removed them outright

>>16382648

As anon above, I've craved to build a JA/7.62 HC clone where one can keep an inventory of spare bits and pieces of guns and whatnot. There would be an option to hire an armorer who would maintain your stocks, breaking down worn guns and replacing bits as needed as your fighters report problems or come in for r&r. He'd occasionally ask you for cash to buy up new stuff if things are dire, or would push for upgrades if you've got capacity.

Otherwise, the game would have an ability to explode a gun and allow you to inspect and replace parts down to the screw-and-pin level (should you want).

Notched crowns and worn barrels would result in markedly poor accuracy at range, broken pins might have parts fall off the gun (externally, or worse, internally). Worn springs might cause jams or feed failures. Dirt too. Barrels might bulge if they get dirty, and burst barrels might explode.

But wear has advantages, too. A trigger sear fresh off the mill might be rough would make for noticeably worse handling, heavier trigger pull, etc. A more worn one would reset smoother, perhaps allowing for faster recycling.

It would make defining weapons a nightmare because you'd need to sit there and write in dorf fort levels of components.

>>16382723

This is silly. They could reuse all the 2H animations and it would literally be spear time.

>>16382738

Weren't spears actually the most common weapon, aside from clubs and maces?

>>16382749

Absolutely.

A sword or any sort of forged blade was both expensive to buy and expensive to maintain.

A spear is a stick with a point and clubs literally fall from trees.

Video games aren't limited by reality, however, and spears get cut due to budget or focus groups.

>>16382612

This was what made me excited for Red Orchestra 2. Then the rest of the game sucked.

>>16382752

Yeah even niggers knew of the efficacy of the spear.

>>16382648

Paying a mechanic NPC to fix your gun back to 100% like in STALKER. That's it.

Anything more is retarded micromanagement that only drags the game down to a snail's pace.

>>16382762

There's the morrowind problem, tho

Sidestepping or standing still while attacking (Best attack option aside) is worthless, unless using a halberd or something.

>>16382770

I mean, that's game design.

But like, people probably sat down and said "SO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE POWER ATTACKS NEW. SHOULD WE KEEP THESE WEAPONS WHICH ONLY HAVE ONE OF THREE USEFUL ATTACKS OR WHAT?"

>>16382723

That would've given them higher priority, not less. I think they just can't come up with retarded designs for spears so they axed them entirely.

>>16382777 (holy trips)

They could also do envenomed spears like amazon tribes, coating spears with hypodermic poison that kills you in seconds even if it's just a scratch.

Or was it poison darts? Anyway that'd be amazing against armored enemies.

>>16382734

>shoot a guy thats 5 meters away with your high tech assault rifle but miss every shot because you didnt aim down the sight

This shit is the worst. It's particularly bad with almost every game when you're using sniper rifles. Apparently in most fps in-game universes, sniper rifles only work when aiming down the sight.

>shoot enemy from the hip with sniper rifle at almost, or literally, at point blank range

>miss every shot

I don't think that's how sniper rifles work irl.

>>16382514

MGSV was good about the chambering thing

>>16382734

Played too much Cunter Strike I see

>get shot in the leg

>blood surrounds your FOV and everything goes grayscale

>bullets cracking nearby

>vision blurs and gets distorted

Yes I know when I get shot and when I'm supposed to keep my head down you don't have to fucking exaggerate it with shitty post-FX

>Fire any gun and the bullets go all over the place.

>aim down the sights and suddenly they all go straight forward.

I hate this, is it so much to ask that hip fire not be completely fucking useless? killing floor doesn't fuck your accuracy just because you're not sticking your gun up your nose.

>>16382749

Yes.

Swords were only used as sidearms by those who could afford them, but were generally a status symbol.

A regular soldier might get a dagger to defend himself with if his pike or spear broke.

One exception to this were the Romans, who used short swords almost exclusively until their empire fell apart and they started switching.

>>16382835

most FPS games give you dogshit aiming unless you stand still or ADS

>>16382813

Sniper rifles do suck ass, especially the exagerated swaying

>>16382858

what did he do?

>>16382847

Worse yet is when there's bloody screen in a third person game.

>>16382734

>Reload animation has to restart as soon as you do anything

That makes my blood boil. The worst is when a mag is already loaded but a round wasn't chambered, so it doesn't count.

Or worse yet

>You can't cancel a reload animation

Was just playing misery, and it basically made the striker useless because I would have to wait through all 12 rounds or swap out weapons to cancel.

>>16382723

Seems stupid, as spear animations are really simple, but I could see it. But as >>16382745 said, they could've just used the 2H like a lot of other spear mods did. Hell, Morrowind just used the staff animation.

>>16382770

The other thing about Morrowind is that your character will inevitably be using short or long blades, because they're far more common then any other weapon.

>>16382856

>Romans used swords almost exclusively

Auxilia units were just as important as legionnaires anon.>>16382856

>>16382863

see:

>>16382870

only he molested me too

>>16382856

But they used spears and javelins quite a bit, too. Let's not confuse ourselves here.

Swords are a close combat weapon. Spears are standoff weapons. The Greeks revolutionized combat by putting the enemy at seven arm's length with 20 foot pikes, which prevented those unwashed assholes with clubs from bashing in your head. Sure, bows and slings are still an issue, but you bring your own.

The roman legionaries were in part designed to end phalanx warfare by prioritizing mobility and shock, the first achieved by wearing lighter armor and arranging themselves in looser ranks, and the second by tossing a pair of heavy javelins that would get stuck in your shitty shield and make you drop it.

Now you gotta deal with dudes with curved shields (which pikes just glance off of) walking between your pikes with swords that you can't block because you're carrying a twenty-foot pole.

Well I have a few mainly from MMOs. I know I should play better games, but hey the thread is about unfucking bad games, so here I go.

>Any mechanics added to block people exploiting other broken mechanics, instead of fixing the main problem.

>Any form of energy that recharges over time and any form of mechanic with daily/weekly limit.

Obviously.

>Any MMO model besides subscription.

B2P is not a good model for a game where you are paying for constant updates. Any form of Market/Cash Shop takes resources out of the game and makes you pay real money for them. Subscription with some f2p trial is the best MMO model.

Originally I wanted to also say "any p2w" but any mmo is inherently "P2W" due to gold sellers and other shit like this. I also found that when game is allowing P2W through buying subscription time from other people or allowing you to sell in-game stuff for irl money, it is not that bad for you as it saves you irl money.

Freeze frame.for every barely acceptable kill. It's the achiement tier of patting some faggot on the back. I hate it. I despise it. It should be relegated to ultra S class bust a hole in Earth to Moon combos.

>>16382875

They didn't include spears because that would highlight the piss poor combat engine. All you end up doing in the game now is poke and back up, poke and back up. If you had a spear this would be mind numbingly easy to cheese any enemy.

The shorter melee range creates the illusion of combat depth by forcing you to move more.

Dunno why people loved Skyrim so much. Was so bland and empty to me.

>>16382544

>Enemies have busted guns by default in any game with durability but they only jam for you.

I actually like that in Far Cry 2. It encourages you to stick with your own loadout and not trust enemy guns, whilst still giving you the option if you run completely out of ammo. There's probably smarter and more subtle ways to get the same effect, but it works.

>>16382755

Older versions of Black Mesa have what you want, insofar as freeman fires in double action normally, and single action when he aims down the sight.

>>16382926

>You don't want this in fast paced shooters. Slowing down gameplay for the sake of realism is bad.

>demolition ranch

>not Paul Harrell

Low IQ detected.

>>16382969

Paul Harrell is superior, but that's a video on slugs, not buck (intended) /birdshot (noguns dev implementation)

>>16382523

Bump.

>>16382969

Why isn't he on full30? Is yidtube just that afraid of a man that simply does not car?

>>16382955

What are you even saying?

>does not car

Oh, he definitely cars.

>>16382991

Fuck off janitor. That's what I'm saying. Lurk forever on 4um.

>>16382950

>All you would do is poke and back up

So, use actual spear tactics? At least it has more variation than just "press mouse until dead"

>Dunno why people loved Skyrim so much. Was so bland and empty to me.

>to me

You're preaching to the choir anon.

>>16382969

>demolition ranch

>not Paul Harrell

I like both but they're apples and oranges - different kind of content: demoranch is entertainment/stupid fun with information on the side, paul harrell is just a fucking walking history book

>>16382514

i can't take this thread seriously when you right:

>rounds in the chamber don't exist so +1 isn't tracked and all reload animations play as though reloading from empty

when tons of fps actually give faster releading if you reload with a bullet in the champer and do nto need to put on in after changing mag…

Did you just woke up and vomit the stuff that came into your mind thinking it would make a good thread?

>>16382653

>meaningless markings that don't allow you to measure distance and travel time reliably, it's guesswork

Every single game ever. It'd be nice if they could do this properly just once.

>>16382738

that's plain wonrg. Blame anime for that.

Sword are backup and self defence weapon.

If you give spear to someone you win in any duel against someone with a sword. that's why you don't have spear.

Regenerating health, you always end up playing the waiting game.

>>16383017

That last bit already happens.

>>16383030

>the last bit

>just the last bit

The only thing anyone should be doing is cleaning up after themselves. Even in death, where possible.

>>16382648

Fire Emblem is the only game I know of that uses durability mechanics meaningfully but it wouldn't fit into most games.

>>16383007

Doesn't PSO-1 in games actually work?

>>16383112

<Hear, hear! I suppose it's difficult (sarcasm) doing extra animations for various kinds of reloads.

lurk 2 more centuries

>KF2 has separate animations for normal reloads and tactical ones, but tactical reload is artificially lengthened to equalize them

>>16383129

but KF2 is shit and has the worst gunplay of any modern FPS

>boss/mob attacks that "track/home in" on you even after they've released/unleashed the attack

If your game cant maintain a decent difficulty without this shit it's shit.

>>16383042

>/tv/ designs a gun

>>16383188

better than I expected

>>16382612

Time for you to try out VR then brokefag. In Firewall Zero hour you definitely can't strafe a doorway with your gun shouldered (nearly all the time) because it gets caught on the door.

>>16383227

>VR

I'll pass

>>16383237

Neat.

>EA games

>f2p

>battle royale

oh…

>>16383231

Too pricey? Or paranoid about (((effects of VR use)))?

>>16383245

Don't be a faggot. It's a good game regardless of EA being associated with it.

>>16383245

Respawn have my respect for being, so far, the only company to make a good enough game to survive an attempted gutting by EA. Titanfall 2 is still fun, and the closest I can get to the kind of FPS experience I want, except on Xonotic game nights.

That said, if they go the same route as Epic and abandon the game I want to see (Titanfall 3) and instead focus everything on the BR game, they lose all that respect and then some.

>>16383237

>>16383256

>Battle Royale trash

>(((Origin only)))

>EA

>ugly mutt characters that look worse than anything bioware shits out

>just a worse Titanfall 2

Shiggy diggy doo

>>16383271

He wanted an example, I gave him one. If Respawn are going to be forced to hop on the BR bandwagon, they can at least do a good job of it.

>>16383260

>Respawn still have my respect for being, so far, the only company to have bent over for EA and survive

How retarded do you have to be to have this mindset?

>>16383279

There are many games that aren't BR and (((EA))) garbage that don't have cancerous hitscan for snipers.

Sniper Elite, Squad, Project Reality, Red Orchestra and its sequels, the Arma series, even Intruder are just a handful of games where sniping and bullet travel in general is done right.

>>16383271

<Anything I don't like is trash

<inconsequential preference where I download from

<inconsequential preference about game publishers

<I like to fuck video game characters

<my opinion is fact

>>16383334

Your posts are awful, to be honest

>>16383334

He is 100% right though. Apex is just a really shitty version of Titanfall. They took Titanfall 2, removed everything that made it great and then added a cancerous f2p model on it while also downgrading the visuals. The gunplay and movement is unlike TF, absolute garbage.

>unlimited inventory space

I don't need to carry x99 potions, if all vidya had limited inventory space / inventory management then Id more likely pay attention and use items instead of ignoring them completely

That shit always ruins items in games if left unchecked

>>16383334

You are allowed to be a faggot and like Apex Legends, but don't be surprised if others say you have shit taste. You also don't have to shill the game so hard you defend the drm store that is origin.

>>16383346

They took out wallrunning. When I played Titanfall 2 I only played Pilots v. Pilots and loved it.

>>16383344

The only thing you've added to the discussion is being asshurt LOL

>>16383377

No, it's a good game, not shit.

There aren't red flags here, just a fun F2P game with good hit detection and no microtransactions (that matter).

I didn't say it's fine, I said I don't give a shit about it when (a) it's a first person shooter and (b) I don't try to fuck video game characters.

>>16383377

You know she doesn't look like that anymore.

>>16383378

>>16383379

>>16383385

You do know you can respond to multiple people at once, right newfag?

I'm tired of all guns being zeroed at 100 yards or meters. It's bullshit that completely ignores a very basic firearm design tenet.

>Bullets don't fly in a straight line, they start to drop once they leave the barrel.

<To retards this means that bullet drop starts at the barrel.

>In reality, sights are not parallel to the bore. The front sight is a bit shorter than the rear sights.

>The 25/300 yard zero is an excellent example of this. On intermediate cartridges (5.56x45mm, 5.45x39mm, 7.62x39mm) this is common. You zero the gun at 25 yards, well before the bullet starts to drop below the bore, when it is still rising. Due to the bullet's path, this means that within 25-300 yards the point of aim and point of impact are still very close. So close in fact that this zero allows for reliable chest shots at 300 yards without adjusting point of aim.

>Most "sniper rifles" are zeroed at 300 yards to make it simple for the shooter so they don't have to account for rise (much) till you go out further.

Then there are shotguns, I get that you can't make them realistic in modern games because modern games have engagement ranges that are too short. Due to this, shotguns have to be nerfed otherwise you'd be counter sniping people with a pump action shotgun. The only game I've played that was recently made, that made shotguns at least proportionally realistic (IE they are still have the same range as at least the SMGs) was Division 2. If you multiplied the effective ranges of all of the guns in Division 2 by about 3-4 times you'd get a reasonable approximation of the effective range IRL. The ranges with this multiplier would be; pistols are good to 40 or so meters, SMGs and shotguns are good to 80-100 meters, assault rifles are good to 250-280 meters, battle rifles are good to 300-340, and marksmen rifles at 400-440 meters. There are exceptions and outliers in the game but it does a better job at balancing the weapon types than most recent games. The lack of slugs and chokes in the game does leave me wanting though.

>>16382813

so why are spec ops and shit not carrying a sniper rifle to shoot point blank anywhere?

>>16382847

>game just lets me respawn, why doesn't it behave like real life?

>>16383332

>health regeneration

Pretty much the reason why I stoppped playing FPS. Also, off by one. That sucks. I wish a post like that had quads.

>>16383323

most games have maps that are so small that it makes zero difference anyway, and EA snipers have retarded high bullet drop actually.

>>16383385

>>16383379

>>16383378

>LOL

>EA and Origin isn't a Red flag

>I don't care if these hideous creatures were designed for the sake of diversity!! A-attractive character design doesn't make the game better!!!

Just go back to cuckchan, you're insufferable.

>>16383395

Yeah "she" went from being an ugly tranny gook to a fugly blasian. Bravo Respawn.

>>16382514

Tarkov is the only modern game I can think of that handles reloading well.

However,

>unity

>early access

>reddit

>>16383377

>pic

can I get a speedy synopsis?

>>16383569

niggers and females in the most pozzed battle royal game yet, supposed to be set in the titanfall universe but doesnt have any cool mechs or good gameplay

>>16383601

>>16383565

how do you pull off enemies running out of ammo? give them bayonets or machetes?

Why not giving enemies a limited amount of ammo that they can waste? The better you finish one, the more ammo you should get. You could also trick them to waste their entire ammo, forcing them to go melee, use a different weapon or something else, but you'd get no ammo back.

Heck, why not making they behave depending on what's in their inventory while also trying to save ammo (or not, and then base shit depending on their personality, but that's going way too deep)

>>16383613

I think it would be pretty cool if the AI became more cautious with its shots after the first few mags. Let's say you're hiding behind cover, the enemy unloads their first mag on your cover to keep you suppressed. Then they take potshots with their second mag. After that they sit there and wait for you to do something, maybe shout some generic NPC shit like "come out and fight", "you can't hide there forever" and whatnot.

If you wanted it to be really realistic, then when they're almost out of ammo they could pull out of the fight and run to an armoury to restock, or even someone nearby could throw them a mag. But honestly it would be realistic enough if they were just programmed to not constantly unload their mags on your cover.

>>16383640

Maybe most of them could simply use single shot instead of rapid fire to conserve ammo unless they are in "panicked" state?

Should also be something like the npc checking it's inventory, if he has an extra mag he would be more prone to shoot… more but if it's the last clip/mag then nope.

Perhaps also having some npc's saving few bullets "just in case" as in in hopes of the player ramboing forward.

And once out of ammo if they're the "panicky" kind of enemy they'd try to run away after a time and if not, like having "brave" flag or something they'd try to come at you with a melee weapon running from cover to cover and/or checking flags to see if any of their team-mates are still alive with bullets and.. sending a signal to get them to do "suppressive fire" so they can do said cover to cover or flanking via melee weapon or something like that.

Shit i dunno something like fear but with ammo running out pretty much, just needs various flags to check shit out.

>>16382514

>>modern guns firing normal pressure ammo fall to pieces in less than 1000 rounds

Last I heard going through several hundred round in a short period of time will fuck up your barrel to the point of making your gun unusable until you do some serious maintenance on it.

Although I'm pretty sure you mean 100 instead of 1000 because I can't recall any game with degradation where the gun won't fall apart after a handful of magazines

>>16383638

That would be pretty cool. If you kill an enemy without them shooting, you get a bit of extra ammo so that later on you can go rambo if you want, whereas if you go rambo all the time you'll run out of ammo and the game will encourage you to try a different approach.

>>16383692

Only constantly firing one after the other, but even in video games you don't do that. Even then, 9mm and 22lr guns show no notable degradation beyond getting dirty after several thousand rounds in rapid succession. Only part failure on a cheap-ass AR is the gas tube (which is easily replaced). It's only when you get into full-power cartridges and early barrel metalurgy that this becomes an issue.

>>16383613

>Enemies have multiple weapons

>Enemies have a way to resupply their ammo (ammo stash, armory

>Enemies share mags as needed

>>16383853

>"open world game"

>it's neither open nor a world, just a city or province at best that isn't even remotely designed organically

>>16383928

>Mutts being superior to purebreeds

Nein.

>>16383933

>replying to the spammer

>>16382847

>bullets cracking nearby

>vision blurs and gets distorted

I dislike the red jelly screen to indicate being injured, although I think the color going to grayscale or perhaps giving you a sort of tunnel-vision would be fine. Better than having your character moan or something to show he's been shot. I think you do need some sort of indication though, because the other option is a gay "health bar" type thing which is dumb.

Blurring the screen when you're being suppressed is fine too, because it actually gives you a reason to try and suppress enemies.

>>16383613

Given them a reasonable amount of ammo, 200 rounds or so and when they run out they retreat or switch to a sidearm. You could also prevent the player from scavenging ammo off dead soldiers, because no one would do that IRL. Rounds could be sabotaged intentionally or shitty quality/corrosive that degrade your gun. Even if you do have 2 sides fighting that share a common caliber (which is not common, as far as I know), I doubt commanding officers would let their soldiers loot dead bodies for more ammo. And I doubt most soldiers want to dig through a dead guy's webbing for shit.

>>16383188

Seems pretty cool actually, boomers had some rad toys. That classic A1 look always gets me. I do wish they spent an extra penny on a spring or two and made the charging handle actually work like it's supposed to. Another spring inside could snap it back forward and that side handle deal could be completely enclosed and unseen as it goes forward again.

>>16383988

>Blurring the screen when you're being suppressed is fine too

IT WAS ALWAYS SHIT THAT PUNISHED PEOPLE WITH GOOD AIM

=OOGA BOOGA I SHOT AT YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION AND NOW YOU CAN'T SEE SHIT HAHA LMAO :^)

>>16383988 (heiled)

What about taking the enemy's weapon? and also allowing your ai teammates to do the same, because i never see them in any game do that, i mean when everyone runs out of ammo in long missions where you're trapped or ambushed.

>>16383988

Stop talking out of your ass, during WW2 ALL sides looted sidearms and weapons from each other, see all those photos of Germans with PPSHs or Americans with STG44s.

>>16382734

People would bitch about more realistic grenade shrapnel, alternating between OP and RNG complaints.

>>16383636

>ALWAYS exploded in your face

CoD World at War is extremely infamous for its Reichstag level due to that, there's quite literally a grenade every second.

>>16382534

it's fine as long as it isn't stupidly autistic, fallout did it just fine. It's even better when you get the mod that improves it and allows you to repair weapons with scrap and junk rather than a duplicate weapon which was a stupid fucking idea.

>>16382616

>clip only has 12 shells

>only through upgrading it to a FAMAS type weapon can the clip capacity be increased to 50 shells

you can't just say this sort of shit and not expect us to cry

>>16382950

>Dunno why people loved Skyrim so much

Because it's a bland overhyped piece of trash but it has so many quests that are totally unique and not uninteresting whatsoever!

>>16384009

that's kinda the point though? You're being suppressed, you shouldn't be poking your head up like you're fine.

>>16384010

I guess you could. I remember in Killzone I usually ditched the weapon I started with for the enemy's guns since I always ran out of ammo. And if you do switch then you should be able to loot a substantial number of rounds from dead soldiers, so I agree with that guy's point that it's lame when you kill a dude and he's got like 5 bullets on him.

>>16384026

>>16384029

I meant more for like modern shooters, I guess it was more common back then. Still, soldiers wouldn't have ammo for those guns provided to them, would they? It'd just be whatever they could find. I think Germans could load PPShs up with ammo for C96s so that wasn't as big an issue. Either way, if you're a German soldier with a K98 and you kill an American with a Garand, you wouldn't find any ammo for your K98 on him (probably).

>>16384036

Then add a mechanic were if you prone on a grenade it doesnt do shit but kill the guy that jumped on it

>>16384060

They would have some of them provided if they had any captured stock

>you wouldnt find any ammo for your K98

but you would find an M1 garand , not only is it semi auto, you can scavange the ammo for it off of most dead americans, so you can save your K98 ammo for later

>>16383452

No thanks I'll stay here just to piss you off. Hopefully you kill yourself.

>>16382749

>aside

Not aside, from the dawn of man to the proliferation of the firearm the spear has, in one form or another, defined the battlefield.

Even knights and samurai predominantly used spears, lances and polearms as their primary melee weapon. Swords have always been used as either back-ups or civilian-circumstances weapons(since you can't carry a fucking polehammer around with you on your way to buy groceries).

>>16382755

RS2 has this with the Colt Army and they did it right. Double action sucks ass because you can't aim for shit but it's faster and single action sucks ass because it's a more complicated process that makes for more down-time between shots.

So if for some reason you've decided to punish yourself, you dump the cylinder in double-action in case of someone popping up real close and go through the process of cocking the hammer, then aiming and firing at anything beyond spitting distance.

Or you could get with the 20th century and just get an automatic, because those are objectively better in every way.

>>16383188

Sounds way better than the toy guns I had, where they just have that helix that would spin when you pulled the trigger, and a lever slid up as the helix spun which made an awful scraping sound, and when it finished the full rotation it would slip off the end of the helix and slap the base before starting again.

>>16384194

>cant forget to tell people that they wont experience much maps in the games as everyone just votes for the few meatgrinders 24/7

That's hardly a problem exclusive to Red Orchestra though

>>16384204

never said it was and just because it isnt exclusive doesnt make it any less valid of a criticism. whats with the whataboutism? dont you have some real defense prepared?

>>16384213

I've never played red orchestra I'm just wasting your time.

>>16384194

>nigger that's never played either complaining because the memes told him to

I play those games, I know what you're saying is false. Why would YOU try to lie? You realize someone could actually just look this shit up, right?

>>16384009

I think ARMA does a good job with bullet snap. Poking your head above cover and then hearing a bunch of snaps next to your ear makes you want to put your head back down.

>>16382523

Except his point about shotguns only being functional in Melee range is stupid. Think about Gaylo's shotgun, it's effective at roughly the same range as your melee lunge, so all it is on a functional level is a 2-in-one melee attack. That shit sucks and we should be aiming more for shotguns like CS:S where they can actually do decent damage at medium range.

>>16382534

My issue is that it only applies to the player. You'll never encounter an NPC who's weapon breaks when they're trying to shoot at you.

>>16384233

They just sound really undistinguishable. I find it hard to tell the difference between rounds going right above me and rounds passing 30m away.

>>16383853

>open world

On the map maybe. When you explore it everything is partitioned with convoluted barriers nobody would ever construct.

Zelda does this, usually well, but then you get link's awakening sometimes.

>>16384277

I used to play ARMA2 with a sound mod which improved it a fair bit. Not sure about ARMA3

>>16382652

>example?

Every ASSFAGGOTS and CRAPCUNTS

>>16384373

And MMO. I swear it's always the rogue or ranger archetype too.

>>16382514

>>>/k/

>>16382613

They'd also invalidate every other weapon in any game they're in.

>>16384173

> just get an automatic, because those are objectively better in every way.

Except they can jam more easily. More moving parts mean that more things can go wrong. Revolvers have little use in a war zone, but they are good for civilians who want something simple and dependable.

>>16384565

>Oni

This gem should have been Bungie's big hit, not baby's first FPS. What an unfair world we live in.

>>16384663

I have two automatics and have put over a thousands rounds of cheap steel cased russian ammo through both of them and have never once had them jam on me. Automatics are objectively superior you fucking fudd.

>>16383656

You can also just have them toss grenades after a while, since thats the best way to flush an enemy out of his hiding spot.

>>16382533

Flails are pure shit, but spears man. Spears are the best damn bladed weapons out there.

>>16382954

I don't mind there being busted guns in games, however it's bullshit when it works perfectly for the enemy but as soon as you get your grubby hands on one it's jam city. There's an addon for Anomaly that handled this perfectly: NPC gear and it's drop condition was tied to their in-game rank, so a quick edit of the script also tied jam chance to NPC rank. Rookie bandits and their shit-tier rusty Kalashnikovs and Makarovs firing old ammo will jam on them constantly, while a master-rank exoskeleton-clad Merc carrying a new SCAR-H isn't having any of that bullshit. All I ask for is consistency.

>>16384427

>said the man posting on a board run by an actual jew

>>16384080

>but you would find an M1 garand , not only is it semi auto, you can scavange the ammo for it off of most dead americans, so you can save your K98 ammo for later

But now you're carrying 2 rifles and either twice the ammo or half the ammo for each.

Anyway, this is getting away from video games a bit. I kinda see the logic in having enemies drop only a few rounds, because the designers don't want the MC swimming in ammo like he's Rambo and can gun down everyone he sees. It doesn't really make sense logically, but I get it.

But how do you "fix" it? Have enemies drop more ammo? Then the game gets much easier because that's no longer a variable the player has to worry about. Of course it all depends on the game. An arcadey/action shooter, meh, it's about shooting bad dudes, so making the player conserve ammo feels lame. A stealth game or one where you are up against more enemies than you could reasonably kill? I think in that situation you have to have a trade-off. You go in with some silenced gun and limited ammo. You could loot the enemy's guns and ammo, but then you have to use their equipment which might not be ideal for the situation.

I don't think this is a huge deal nowadays, devs are getting better with how they handle guns.

>>16383082

I think the 4x scopes in STALKER are actually 2x scopes, so no.

>>16382548

In real life, aiming down sights is the only way to predictably hit something.

Also in real life, firing from the hip or chest has a very predictable bullet pattern. Patterns typically follow a direction. Most shooters tend to randomize them to make the repercussions of recoil more severe.

>>16383334

It's okay to have shit taste just don't go around demanding that other people eat shit or see you as normal.

>>16383613

Make a random number generator decide their ammo count (a magazine count), when they run out of ammo they switch to a secondary (pistol, smg, melee) but they also pull back.

>>16382514

>Aiming down the sights of a shotgun magically chokes it.

This should be obligatory in these threads.

>>16384240

Halo or any other weapon in a futuristic setting doesn't need to give a fuck about realism.

Actually, I remember halo's normal difficulty campaign shotgun was realistically lethal to the marines considering it's wide spread.

>>16384039

Finish that game on the highest difficulty, I dare you.

I did it with a controller

>>16384979

>mmo/gacha shit in place of actual content, especially if it isn't a fucking mmo

more, easier money.

>bullet sponging and other forms of artificial difficulty

either that or shitty one-shot mechanics which are even more aggravating, not much room for "difficulty" when you just shoot each other

also, mobs for groups have health for groups, ofc it feels like a sponge when you hit it alone

>flamethrowers that don't incinerate anything, they just apply a stupid DoT that fades out after ten seconds

balance and/or technical reasons

>picking up different guns only adds to the ammo pool for your existing weapon

because reloading guns on your back is realistic? also

>carrying more than one gun in a "realistic" game

>melee weapons that shove you forward, and lock you into an unnecessarily long animation in doing so

usually done for balance and gameplay (knifing with a range of 5cm plain sucks, heavy attacks with a sword are supposed to leave you "open" etc)

>driving vehicles that restrict the cone of your view while you drive for no goddamned reason

doesn't even battlefield have a freelook option? also balance or gameplay reasons

>your car doesn't crumple with collisions, it just explodes

more time to create, implement, more system requirements than just blowing it up

>checkpoint is before a long unskippable cutscene that leads into a boss fight, have to watch the stupid cutscene every time

agreed, devs need a kick in the balls for that one.

>>16385060

>>Tier'd skills

haven't seen that in ages, usually the skill gets upgraded and the old one removed since it's too confusing for braindead normalfags. and even if not who cares about skill in a spellbook when you can just remove it from the bar since it has zero relevance anymore?

>>16384427

>/k/ is a honeypot

what did he mean by this?

>>16385062

then you just wait it out till they're no threat anymore and next thread we get

>lel enemies becomes easymode when running out of ammo

or

>enemies that oneshot you with a pistol after hiding in a corner without ever coming out and having to run after them

>>16383007

Sniper: Ghost Warrior 2 does it pretty well, at least if you play it on Expert like you fucking should. Calculating for wind and travel time is actually surprisingly fun.

>>16385329

Infinitely spawning enemies….with infinite grenades…..where two bullets kill you…..in a cod game.

You've gotta be a serious masochist to wanna do that to yourself.

>>16384218

i have both those games with many hours played, pretty weak defense just saying

>NUH UH YOU NEVER PLAYED THEM!!!

>>16384215

good thing you've never played it

>>16384920

>how do you fix enemies dropping more ammo?

Not let you carry much ammo, making it so you have to grab it from them than auto pickup so you can get shoot whilst looting it

>>16385474

>because reloading guns on your back is realistic? also

<carrying more than one gun in a "realistic" game

The idea is that you toss the old gun away and grab the one on the floor, you black gorilla.

>>16384536

It's being modded by some greek retard who wishes he was on /pol/. Half the threads on the front page are fixated on the far right and mass shootings instead of firearms.

>>16384897

I just see it as more of a way of enforcing the idea that enemy guns are less trustworthy and dependable than your own, rather than an actual reflecting how maintained your enemy's guns are. In real life you'd much rather stick to your own rifle than pick a dead man's AK off the ground, because you don't know what he's done to it, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't pick it up if you had no other options.

Like I said, there's probably better and more subtle ways to get that point across than having enemy's guns magically fill with rust when you grab one off the ground, but it does its job of encouraging you to improvise with the loadout you got from an arms dealer and it feels thematically appropriate given the african bush setting.

>>16385542

>wanting to play as a commie-kike

yikes sweaty

>>16384060

>You're being suppressed, you shouldn't be poking your head up like you're fine.

But i am not suppressed. Only noobs are suppressed by enemy fire. Funny thing this is case of FPS without any additional forced mechanics. Noobs really lose their cool under fire and miss everything by themselves.

>>16384036

>>16382734

People in general don't know how grenades work, including you.

Also making grenades starting from realism point of view can be probleatcis form teh rules of damage set in games. Like if 400 joules pistol bullet does 10% of players health of damage then 100 joules grenade fragment would just tickle and grenades would have no damage. This needs compleat overhaul of standard gaming lethality models with ditching of hit points.

>>16385717

>But I am not suppressed.

The game says otherwise.

You know what REALLY need to leave vidya RIGHT THIS FUCKING SECOND?

Pointless, unnecessary "realism". This has been ruining the FPS genre for a while now. Gameplay mechanics should come first, fuck trying to please /k/ autism.

>>16385731

I think most people are thinking about the medieval period.

>remember that the sword + shield combo conquered Europe

As far as I know, that was only because barely anyone was using heavy cavalry in Europe at the time.

First Parthia kicked Rome's ass with it and then centuries later the Goths (or some other Germanic tribe) did as well because the Romans were completely unprepared.

Spears got adopted in the medieval period because soldiers needed something to keep those damn horses from trampling over them.

>>16385731

Roman tactics was ranged combat with javelins. Sword was sidearm of this tactics.

Gladius get more credit than it should.

Romans defeated their enemies with pila and plumbata.

>>16385781

Fake and gay.

But your noob ass is suppressed without any additional mechanics.

>>16385652

The easy way of doing it would be that even if you chance across a gun that's in serviceable condition it doesn't mean it should be as good as your own weapon. It might have an extra attachment or two as opposed to a stock weapon, but it'll lack the accuracy, fire-rate, muzzle velocity and recoil control of your own fine-tuned rifle.

>>16385867

Hey reddit

>>16384421

No, they wouldn't. Do they in real life, you fucking retard? Do they in games where they have realistic range like EYE?

>A gun can only be aimed when the man wielding it has stood still and looked down the sights

>Human beings are slow and bulky in their every movement

>Half-emptied magazines refill themselves when you reload

Also

>While aiming you will randomly sway your arms, and since you will not be able to feel yourself doing this as its not your own movement you cant compensate by feel either

>It's as if the gun moves itself around in your hands and you have to constantly drag it back on target

>Meanwhile you can't aim properly because some dev thought this would make the game better

all of this shit in this threads is great in concept but i bet terrible in execution

somebody should try some of these out and see if it actually feels great ingame and contributes to the game

>>16383398

He's a shill, if the fact that he's defending a shit, flavour of the month game didn't clue you in then the reddit spacing and inability to reply to multiple post at once should have.

>>16389644

Mobile name?

>>16389689

I meant movie.

>>16382648

>weapons are modular

>player can acquire different components, barrels, stocks, etc

>when degradation happens, the gun has a chance to jam, with higher levels of degradation beyond the initial threshold that governs its functionality yielding greater chance of general failure

>when gun is jammed, it's useless until it can be repaired, and the player must use a replacement weapon, or no weapon at all, in the mean time

>weapons can only be repaired so many times before vital components will need to be replaced, which can be done, but at a cost

>players must choose between maintaining any given firearm or replacing it when it's no longer usable

>some manner of makeshift weapon should be available that would be highly durable but prone to breakage and also quite inefficient at killing

Just some general ideas from my Big Book of Idea Guy Ideas™

>>16390067

>when gun is jammed, it's useless until it can be repaired, and the player must use a replacement weapon, or no weapon at all, in the mean time

This is incredibly retarded.

>>16382955

How are achievements a bad gameplay mechanic? They don't even affect the achievements, you tremendous faggot.

>guns fall to pieces

>durability guages

I never wanted this in gaming.

>>16390998

Achievements/Trophies/whatever replaced what used to be unlockable content. Now instead of unlocking more content, you just get an Achievement, and the content that you would have unlocked is sold to you for real money.

>>16385652

>enemy guns are less trustworthy and dependable than your own

That only exists in your head. Sabotaging cached weapons for an enemy to find is one thing, but if a weapon works it works regardless of who's shooting it.

>>16382514

>rounds in the chamber don't exist so +1 isn't tracked and all reload animations play as though reloading from empty

and when +1 is tracked, the mags will magically consolidate to 30 rounds apiece in your pocket with the remainder going to the last one

>>16382523

The "rounds in the chamber" thing sounds pretty cool, and I don't see what the big deal is.

>>16384240

>My issue is that it only applies to the player. You'll never encounter an NPC who's weapon breaks when they're trying to shoot at you.

Funny enough, Baldur's Gate 1 had a mechanic where non-magical metal weapons would randomly break that applied to both the player and enemies.

>>16385886

Mall ninja/10

>>16385731

>sword and shield conquered Europe

Lol no, that was cavalry and archers

These are mostly gonna be about RPGs and medieval games

>Higher quality armour usually just means it has spiky shit and/or bright colouring

>Female warriors everywhere

>Spears don't exist

>Thrusting with your weapon isn't possible

>Swords can cut through plate armour

>Blunt weapons don't do extra damage to armoured opponents

>Mages with fire, lightning, ice, telekinesis etc aren't overpowered as fuck

>You can't knock people over with your horse and trample them to death

>Battles involve two big groups just clashing in a massive bloodbath brawl instead of strategic movements of smaller groups of spearmen and archers backed up by cavalry in a series of skirmishes

>Fire arrows (these would only be acceptable if magic were involved)

Forgot about the complete lack of gambeson and the overuse of leather. That's pretty stupid too.

>>16391108

>I don't see what the big deal is.

The fact that "realism" is requested without caring about game design.

"Realism" in vydia works to make a lot of gameplay mechanics more intuitive by basing them around common sense and your own expectations from IRL. You can cram far more details without needing extra tutorials or tooltip boxes when it's something that just makes sense and you understand right away.

What "Realism" doesn't do very well however is making for a varied amount of gameplay options since Reality has a tendency to Occam's Razor the shit out of 80% of everything, limiting what actually works in a videogame if that's what you're going for.

Take for instance the "shotguns do no damage past 5 meters" complaint. Of course that's not realistic at all and doesn't make much sense, but that's because you're expecting realistic weapons instead of understanding their purpose in the game.

Shotguns are slow-fire, high-damage, short-range.

Snipers are slow-fire, high-damage, long-range.

Assault Rifles are rapid-fire, low-damage, long-range.

Sub-machineguns are rapid-fire, low-damage, short-range.

Etc, etc. The characteristics of a weapon are greatly exaggerated to put them in a specific niche without overlapping other weapons. These characteristics are still based on "realism" (shotguns have a shorter range than assault rifles that have a shorter range than sniper rifles) but it's never going to be up to scale since most multiplayer games feature mid\short range maps for combat where snipers would see any practical use if shotguns and ARs were just as powerful, etc.

It's the same thing for stuff like hunger mechanics or crafting, where the overall idea and components is based around "realism" so you quickly understand it all, but it's never 100% realistic so it's not too cumbersome or limited.

>>16391447

>Mages with fire, lightning, ice

Worse is when these are the only elements.

>>16392229

I never knew how much I agreed with you

>>16392229

The Madden Genesis theme should be mandatory for all sports games.

>>16392294

>If you like FPSs so much why don't you go shoot up a school?

>>16392260

word

>>16382514

The only reason shotguns are shitty close range weapons in games is because if they had their RL stats no one would use anything else unless automatic rifles are a thing.

>>16391034

That's not how it works.

>>16384421

>can invalidate their entire existence past 50 yards by stuffing paper into your jacket and wearing a helmet

Yeah nah though, they'd just be the weapon to dab on shitters who skimp on body armor.

>>16382719

The fantasy of Oblivion and Skyrim doesn't support spears. There aren't many heroic fantasy characters that use spears as their iconic weapon, thus, why would a heroic fantasy game feature spears for anything but completion's sake? Same with crossbows.

>>16393472

>Same with crossbows.

But skyrim got crossbows with dawnguard.

>>16393485

Because that was an attempt to cover a different fantasy, the vampire hunter fantasy, which styles itself after the renaissance, which for some reason means crossbows.

>>16382613

The shotgun in Rising Storm 1 was great and the only time I've seen them done well. It was amazing on Iwo Jima where the spread helped pop the tojo watermelons in the bunkers better than the Garand. Out to like 30 yards it was better than the BAR for keeping them clear.

>>16384421

faggot retard

>>16384663

noguns detected

>>16393697

>crunchyroll screenshot

How many layers of irony are you on, my dude?

>>16384421

Works fine in Insurgency.

>>16393342

If we're talking about playing the sport as a single person, sure, a bit tricky on some requirements but it can be arranged. If we're talking about playing a sportsball that requires an entire team to fully coordinate to your every whim, without having to wait a week in between matches, or training or other menial bullshit, or when we're talking extreme sportsball that lets you shoot fire and ice and summon the Eiffel Tower to score goals then no, most definitely cannot be achieved IRL.

>>16394025

im not in to sports but i appreciate how sports fans have conversations about strategies and matchups. they must feel great having a way to bring those fantasies to life and its no wonder theyre able to sustain the video game devil.

its just a shame the devil had to be evil.

>>16382749

Spears were also better for those untrained in combat, where they could beat novice to competent swordsmen

>>16384167

Mobile game

Using iron sights destroys your peripheral vision and the gun covers up what little screen you have left.

>>16393472

nigger, morrowind had MUATRA

>>16385010

>Most shooters tend to randomize them to make the repercussions of recoil more severe.

When the developers fire guns they do that, because the developers are all scrawny nerds who hold their guns like a girl.

>>16395901

>game developers

>hand on research and effort

Thanks for the laugh.

>>16382648

Far Cry 2 or Stalker as another anon pointed out is the way to go, everything else is unnecessary.

>>16396319

>This game solves so many problems with the battle royale format that it makes me think the designers are legitimately talented and want to make a good game

no solo mode pretty much voids any potential interest I might have in a br game.

>>16392294

do you realize how fucking stupid this argument against sports video games are?

You know sometimes it's not possible to get ~20 people together for a game on demand. Plus bad weather exists.

>>16399930

guess it's time to kikestart a sportsball matchmaking service.

>>16385861

Objectively untrue. Particularly during late republic era civil wars, both sides wouldn't even bother throwing their pila and just close to melee, knowing that the others were veterans as well and wouldn't have their formation disrupted.

>>16382514

my mechanic charged me $4000 and as soon as i left the shop the new bumper fell right off

>>16382598

>>16384775

>shitting on flails

lmao shieldfags

>>16391447

I think you're mixing up medieval and fantasy games anon.

>>16391508

I'm willing to bet this is part of the reason why earlier shooters all had sci-fi guns, you could just make it do what you want it to do and you don't have to explain shit.

>>16384775

>spears

That's not how you write "halberds", ばか

>>16402348

Play Gothic my man

>>16402348

Kingdom Come has that – if they feel they can't win, they'll start sprinting away from you. If you catch up to them, they'll stop and start begging for mercy instead. You can then let them go, kill them, or shake them down for money and weapon before letting them go.

>>16400133

I fully support taking this down. IIRC MGS3 had some cool mechanics like having soldiers perform increasingly worse until they can't perform at all in combat the more you shoot their body parts.

Didn't Halo also fix this?

>porn is the lose state

>in an h-game

Why?

>>16402721

That's for receptive rape fetishists, mainly women. It can't be rape if there is consent, and losing simulates a lack of consent, they want to feel like they're being forced and taken.

>>16402716

>MGS3

Bonus fact: if injured severely (like having both legs shot) and not on alert they will sit down and treat their wounds.

They can only heal once though.

>>16402740

Female MC games are the worst. And yet you have literal faggots that defend turds like Violates Heroine.

>>16393342

Git gud.

>>16384663

fudd detected

>>16402858

Revolvers are great rooty tooty point n' shooties but to say automatics, especially modern ones not made by Taurus, are unreliable is wrong.

There's real advantages to wheelguns and they're great for inexperienced shootbangers or for people who don't have the time or means to train with an automatic as all you do is point the bullet chute and fire.

There's a Paul Harrell video that goes into more detail.

>>16402881

I agree that the concern of jamming isn't real unless you are a dumb faggot who intentionally buys garbage guns and garbage ammo. But there are very good reasons to use a revolver, namely for civillians.

I've watched a lot of Paul's videos.

>>16402858

Missing shots is a mistake, and revolvers, especially the 5 shot ones that are often used for concealed carry, have much lower magazine capacity than most semi automatics. Semi automatics leave more room for error if you miss, or if you're being attacked by more than one person. Chimps hunt in packs, arisen, and adrenaline is a hell of a drug. Even trained and experienced soldiers can make mistakes when the adrenaline's pumping; it isn't unlikely that an inexperienced civilian will miss some of their shots. But either way, the most important thing isn't the gun, but the user and their training. Even the world's best gun is next to useless in the hands of someone who doesn't know how to use it, and for self defense, every missed shot is a shot that's hitting something you don't want to hit, most likely in an urban and populated area. That's massively increasing the risk of collateral damage. So regardless of whatever kind of gun someone's using for self defense, I'd recommend that they invest in a lot of ammo and time on the range, and work on their marksmanship with the gun they're using, because that will matter more than whether they're using a revolver or a semi auto.

>>16402925

I'm telling you that the extremely vast majority of civillian shootouts don't expend an entire magazine of any gun, including 5 shot revolvers, and being in a shootout is already an extreme edge case anyway. Missing is less likely because again, vast majority of civillian encounters happen at 7 yards or closer. Soldiers have to engage at ranges of 100 yards or more. Personally I would rather carry a .357 magnum or similar overpowered revolver with 5 shots because it is a lot less likely that I hit a vital point if I do hit, so I would rather have enough kinetic energy to get the guy to fuck off after a single round. I also never want to have to think about whether I might have left a safety on or a round out of the chamber.

>>16382613

the shotgun in OG doom and doom 2 was probably the best shotgun representation in videogames to date.

>>16385860

I have a comfy arcade freetoplay kusoge I return to every few months that inspires these feelings more than any other first person shooter I've played in recent memory. Many melee combat engagements resolve to a race to pick up dropped guns from dead men or desperate sidearm magdumps. You can clear entire teams of sloppy camping enemies by grabbing one of their submachineguns and shooting as many men in the back as you can before they realize the gunfire is from a hostile, grabbing any other submachinegun from men you kill in place of reloading.

Active looting and dropping exhausted automatics after you've used them is incomprehensibly fun, and I don't understand why developers don't let you do it anymore.

>>16391508

You're lame and gay. You don't understand that 'standard fps guns' are blocked out into categories like that mostly so that console game players can instantly recognize what kind of autoaim parameters and gameplay techniques they are expected to use in place of aiming for each type of gun.

what's the difference between a high damage, slow fire, short range gun, and a low damage, high fire, short range gun, for real, if they both have the same time to kill in a game?

If you wanted to make a melancholy and unfair fps, you could even give light weapon users a brief after-death period where they could keep holding down the trigger on a machine pistol as their body fails to let them get a full kill on a shotgun user to guarantee a draw between players of equal reflexes in a face to face fight.

Standard FPS weapon categories explicitly exist to reduce the minimum level of skill required to get certain kinds of cheesy kills so that players with more damaged reflexes, worse controllers, worse tv sets, and physical disabilities can sometimes get a shotgun ambush ohko or carefully preaimed 'sniper rifle quickscope' despite the objective powerlevel deficiencies of those weapons in the rule systems.

>>16406371

Based. Anyone who can't correct feeding problems and reload an automatic pistol at ordinary human speed should never talk about defensive shooting. Go talk about your senile grandpa revolvers with the doddering retards at the old folks home, not here.

>>16382523

Underrated post. Kill yourself OP.

>>16406125

Which is sad.

>>16383377

Those are some "SHHHHEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIT" lips if I ever saw.

Allow cross play between console and PC. We've never even really tested the trope of PC wrecking console players.

I bet some autist with his thumbs can win over some MandK players every now and then. Especially in an fps like Apex with high ttk and an importance on positioning.

But nah we don't get it

>>16409092

It happened with that Shadowrun FPS and it was a massive shitshow. Whether that was the platform differences or just the game itself though I don't know.

I know its purpose is to stop/discourage spamming, but I hate stun lock. I've already taken the penalty of damage, putting me in a state where the enemy can get an extra hit in sucks.

>>16409109

>get hit

>get stunned

>still holding right because I'm not a robot with frame perfect reflexes

>character immediately moves right because buffering inputs during a stun was apparently more important than making a working game

>>16406371

> revolvers jamming

Hahahahahahahaha How The Fuck Is Revolver Jamming Real Hahahaha Nigga Just Cycle The Action Like Nigga Rotate The Cyllinder Haha.

>>16402925

>their

>referring to a singular subject

Nice jewish grammar brainwashing, did you get it with your trauma-based conditioning?

Sage for being butthurt about jewed grammar.

>>16384536

/k/ didnt rage at that, those limpwristed faggots claimed nutnfaggot was an abusive father because of that video

>>16383636

>Grenade cant cook

I have a problem with the opposite of that in that video game devs of "realistic" games love to put grenades with safety levers that might aswell be inexistant since the fuse starts right as you pull the pin to allow the grenade to cook.

Why even bother putting grenades with levers then.

>>16406371

>>16384173

>>16384699

>>16402855

>niggers acting like there havent been millions of semi auto handguns recalled

>sig cant even deliver guns to the military that dont tear themselves apart

>sig,glock (lol we are perfection, all you people with gen 5s are limpwristing) walther springfield, and remshit have all been putting out defective dogshit in the past ten years

>>16383842

>Only constantly firing one after the other

>>16419034

Remington was a shitty gun (as if being a post 2007 Remington didn't tell you that), the M17 didn't actually have the issue due to a different trigger and the only Walther recall I can recall was the CCP for an extremely minor issue that wouldn't hinder a competent user and was purely lawyer shit.

>>16409137

There's supposed to be a not in there, but revolvers CAN jam due to things being caught between the hammer and transfer bar or being caught between the cylinder and frame.

>>16419072

that leaves Sig producing guns with shittier quality than Taurus and (((american))) made Glocks that mysteriously get limpwristed by people fucking holding them with both hands

>>16383613

in MGS3 if you blow up a weapons shack nearby enemies will run out of ammo and hide

>>16419072

walther also has PPQ M2s shiiting themselves with slide releases acting like SIG frames and firing pins and their weak ass mag button retention spring on the button release they made just for retarded Fudds on the M2 that drops mags if you so much as look at the gun

>>16419322

percentage chance could do this too

>>16419328

I think RNG is abysmal and detracts from any real skill

>>16419336

it would be dependent on the weapon, in Fallout 1 and 2 weapons that werent armor piercing wouldnt even put a dent in Power armor

>>16382533

i'ld rather games leave spears out, than reskin swords and call them spears. action games are full of playability mechanics that remove spears' identity.

strategy games can simulate stabbing people and knocking them around as they approach, but you can't do that when you've got windup/cooldown mechanics and instantaneous changes in direction and so on.

>stealth kill is a context sensitive button prompt.

Extremely annoying the times you are just slightly away and you instead hit the enemy and he starts shooting you up or whatever.

>>16419456

>stealth/melee kill cutscene

>camera is in a completely different position afterwards

>>16419456

I hated how in Thief: Deadly Shadows, you couldn't knock someone out unless they were in complete passive mode whereas in the original 2 thief games you could knock anyone out regardless of what state they were in as long as they were facing away from you

I did not read the whole the thread due to time limitations so this may overlap with someone else's post.

I loved how in SOCOM US Navy SEALs Combined Assault (only SOCOM game I played), the game kept track of how many bullets were in each magazine. When you switched magazines, the bullet in the chamber is added and you did not always get a full loaded weapon as a result.

Also, Goldeneye for N64 started players off with one in the chamber and a fully loaded magazine. It was the first FPS I played that featured a reload mechanic.

>>16419896

It was also the first with scopes I think.

>engine is context based and not physics based

Reason why blood money will never be surpassed.

>>16428030

You only have a choice if your drum isn't built to unload all cartridges at once

>>16428030

That always gets to me, even though fixing it would be a pain in the ass

>>16423926

what's the n word?

>>16428450

Nigger

>>16382719

Yes, it was. Bethesda is made of incompetent devs.

>>16428450

Nestorian

>>16428450

N a z i

>>16389644

Source on movie

>>16382612

Arma 3 has this in its own clunky and frustrating way. Nice punishing autoriflemen in houses. Vermin master race.

That shit in TESIV and some other RPG's where certain effects of magic- how fatigue and magic is used by NPCs doesn't mean shit- because spells have little reference for enemy scaling in difficulty- where NPCs never run out of Fatigue and/our magic/specials and use them at random and in no predictable frame or form of stratedgy to the point where combat is an univolved process that only has player agency in mind.

A good example of this is the kind of things you get when you'd install mods for TESIV where fatigue actualy counts/becomes Dark souls-ish and all of a sudden the 9999 poison fatigue potions actually have an extremely viable use- and NPCs pace themselves because of limitations in place- or mind-affecting attacks actually affecting the player for example.

It's hard to describe entirely- but basically- the devs introduce an effect that only the player will use- will never have used against him, will never have combat someone who uses it because of the effect being something that can only be simulated from one person perspective. In bethesda's case- much of the magic system had entire schools which did this- a player isn't ever going to encounter an illusionist who fucks with them, or be placed under mind-control- the AI functions and handling for it weren't ever made.

In final fantasy- it's the shittons upon shitttons of monsters who don't use their special abilities- something which I praise the hardtype ROM Hack for adressing- Enemies had such a scale of depth to them that the mage is rendered a support class because it's more viable to run away in certain battles- there is clear evidence of advantages/disadvantages that hilight the mortality of a party and PC world placement.

>>16384149

>>16384194

so who is telling the truth, do guns in reddit cuckhestra work like physical objects or not

>you can equip only two rings and one necklace

>>16429372

>shirts and armor take up the same slot

>can't wear a hood with any other headpiece, not even a headband

>>16428961

You're wild?

>>16383412

>so why are spec ops and shit not carrying a sniper rifle to shoot point blank anywhere?

Clear a room with a sniper, then clear a room with an automatic rifle.

>>16391508

I hate fags like you and your rigid thinking made Infamous into a shitty third person cover shooter instead of a neato super powers game. Prototype was infinitely superior.

>>16384920

you're a fucking retard, anon. seriously. stop with the drugs or alcohol or whatever the fuck you're doing because you're already dumb enough

It's time for this thread to end.

>>16382653

>>Sniping doesn't simulate gravity, Coriolis effect or wind

>Coriolis effect

Not used by snipers in the real world, or even acknowledged at all.