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Because sequence breaking is an intended mechanic you dillhole.

>>16378176

It's worse in the post-Unleashed games.

>>16378187

I know. Trying stopping in the middle of a loop in the Adventure games, lol.

>>16378176

Must have been a problem in design or the team were clueless on how to make it work in 3D, everything felt you needed to go fast while having "fun obstacles" to make sure your autism is in check.

From what I remember, SA1 was the only scripted title of the "Dreamcast" era games, and it's a large part of why it's the most "broken" (The tripple loop and ramp before the spikes on Emerald Coast, running on air in Windy Valley, pinball in Casinoplis, all of Speedy Highway, the middle of Final Egg). When you actually get the chance to control things completely (Second half of Windy Valley, Red Mountain, Lost World), the game instantly becomes a lot better.

>>16378280

>Hi I got E ranks until I looked up a different route on youtube and would have cried if you said I got E ranks

>>16378324

eh?

>>16378329

Autism, which is also the answer to the thread.

>>16378329

What I am saying is you're likely, a dumb faggot that only ever held forward in adventure games, which sets you on the feel cool even though you aren't very good routes in the games.

It was a thing back when the games came out originally and people who thought they were good couldn't figure out why they'd only get E to C(at best) ranks in SA2 when they introduced ranks.

>>16378387

nobody cares about a rating at the end of a casual on-rails button prompt filled QTE.

>>16378397

It's not a flaw if it's a failure to observe what is right in front of you.

It'd be like saying a door is broken because you can't push it open, but it's a double door and the one adjacent to it pushes.

>>16378400

what, your not impressed he found the "right" route, and pushed a button at the right time to get it?

>>16378402

>i dont like 3D sonic

>because of technological limitations they made it like this boring shit instead of a game more true to the 2D concept

<git gud!

<i bet you cant even get an A class!

no wait, what you said is a more accurate analysis of that exchange LOLOLOLOL

>>16378413

>your not impressed he found the "right" route, and pushed a button at the right time to get it?

To get A you have to kill pretty much every enemy and collect all rings. It's not even hard. The bullshit A ranks are the ones where you have to find chaos emeralds that appear in RNG spots throughout the level, and your rank is based on time.

>>16378413

Git gud is absolutely a legitimate criticism of

<Durr why adventure games so railroaded??

Because they aren't and if you experimented more than follow the incredibly obvious path with rings, no wonder you'd find the game boring. You're playing it in the most boring, acceptable way to play the game and whining about it being mediocre, when it's abundantly obvious that what you're doing is playing the game in the most boring way.

It'd be like playing Super Mario 64 and never using any of the moves aside from the basic jump and attack unless you absolutely had to.

>>16378279

I prefer the Saturn version.

>>16378418

2D sonic was like a fast/fun platformer where the level is like an incredibly massive pinball game, where you directly control the ball.

3D sonic is like being a passenger in a rollercoaster where you flick switches to change the track.

>>16378428

the fact that its on rails is a fact.

the fact that you can change which rails doesnt change that fact.

nobody is impressed by you switching rails.

i never said the games were mediocre. theyre terrible.

mario64 you are in full control of mario at all times. no comparison.

>>16378213

Programing Sonic's complex physics engine was already difficult in 2D, now that the team are in a 3d environment it would be much harder to program. They decided to use scripted events to make Sonic look faster. Sonic is really fun to play as when he isn't going through some awkward scripted slope. He can run up rolls, skip large sections with his spindash, etc. The team assumed that no one would ever stop in a loop I suppose, which is why you can die by breaking the sequence.

>>16378440

>3D sonic is like being a passenger in a rollercoaster where you flick switches to change the track.

Essentially, yes. And if you do try to get A ranks it becomes more monotonous and slows down the gameplay. I forgot to mention in case you didn't know that the only reason to get A ranks in SA2 anyway is to unlock different chao eggs and items. If you manage to autistically get A rank on every stage, you unlock Green Hill Zone, which is incredibly short and does nothing when you beat it.

>>16378440

I agree, but I like Sonic Adventure, not really the whole game, but just Sonic's levels. I really think we can all agree that the 2d Sonic games were better made. Like, 3d Sonic games are really lazy in some areas. Like, stopping in a loop kills you. Also, Sonic was known for it's bigger levels than Mario. 3d Sonic levels are extremely straight forward. Like, once in a while you can go off the intended path to get a 1 up.

>>16378440

You are describing the Boost games, not adventure.

>>16378471

It describes both.

>>16378460

>your prize in a bad game for doing tedious activities is you get to play a little more of a bad game.

>>16378453

interesting take. i think also the fact that if they were to let you go fast, the levels would have to be way larger and well thought out so they just connect the levels with large corridors.

>>16378471

what parts of adventure games breaks that mold? the small areas where youre allowed to move to connect you to the next rollercoaster?

>>16378470

theres nothing wrong with linear, the main difference between sonic and mario jumping to 3d was that in mario you control mario using a fairly small amount of moves that can be used in a huge variety of ways. in sonic, you get to ride rollercoasters and watch cutscenes and push button prompts.

>>16378477

>you get to play a little more of a bad game.

To be fair, the Chao Garden was the best part of SA2. It was the only reason I played the game at all.

Speaking of Sonic, there's a Sega games speedrun marathon live now. Next up is Sonic Battle. 5% more straight people this year.

>>16378280

I love all the game projects that do that sort of take on it. Making it more movement/physics focused like the classic games or Mario 64 if you want to compare it to a beloved 3d platformer. Which one in particular is the webm?

>>16378477

>the main difference between sonic and mario jumping to 3d was that in mario you control mario using a fairly small amount of moves that can be used in a huge variety of ways. in sonic, you get to ride rollercoasters and watch cutscenes and push button prompts.

I thought the main difference is that the 3D Mario games were levels with a variety of objectives to complete (Unlike the 2D games), meanwhile the 3D Sonic games still emphasize the player getting from point A to B (Akin to the 2D games).

>>16378496

which mod are you in that chat and how much are they paying you?

>>16378498

look up 'sonic utopia demo'

>>16378176

Incompetence. Plain and simple.

Sonic's developers believed their own lies/marketing told to journos, about Sonic being about "going fast", when that never was the main attractive of the series. Instead, it was the level design. But to make retards/journos have something they can understand, the speed was the focus of the marketing team. When the own developers started believing in all that bullshit about "gotta go fast", the franchise was ruined forever.

>>16378176

>I've just been remembering

Try actually playing them again before you post more stupid shit.

>>16378514

thats true, but consider this, while mario did have objectives, many were linear in nature. consider bombomb mountain. get to the top. you decide how to get there and can take many paths, like a 2d sonic game. many stars were based around getting to the star. they just started mixing it up by making the star "appear"

sonic wasnt just linear, it literally ran for you at times removing all control from the player.

>>16378532

Mate, are you really trying to argue that a lot of scripted sections don't exist in Sonic Adventure? Get lost, lad. Maybe you should try thinking before you post stupid shit, dumbass.

>>16378535

>it literally ran for you at times removing all control from the player.

And, as I mentioned, that only applies to the first Adventure game. In SA2, you can skip entire sections of the levels, Heroes has entirely different paths based on which character you're using, and then there's Shadow which is perhaps the most "open" of them. Can't comment on '06 though.

>>16378573

06 is really scripted. I beat the game with my brother.

>>16378573

>In SA2, you can skip entire sections of the levels

Are you talking with glitches? If not, there's only a few sections of sonic/shadow levels where you can spindash and actually skip a ramp or two. I suppose the forest level is an exception though, you can skip most of that level with just spindash.

>>16378522

I already played that and have the project bookmarked. I hope we get an actual game eventually. I haven't checked on it in a while though.

>>16378586

I was thinking of Final Rush and Crazy Gadget too.

>>16378592

I can accept Crazy Gadget, even if most of that level is linear. But Final Rush skips go into glitch territory, where you just float off into space and hold certain directions hoping for the best.

>>16378573

you cant criticize sonic 1 for marble zone because did you know marble zone is optional? start by loading up game genie and skipping marble zone.

kek

>>16378597

So, you're never gotten the timing down on which rails to switch to, when to jump from a rail, or even bypassing that entire spire?

>>16378629

You're describing just playing the level. I was originally talking about skipping whole sections of levels using spindash

>>16378176

>orca sequence

>scripted

I'm pretty sure you had enough control to fuck up these parts, though?

If you can actually cause yourself to lose during these, are they really scripted?

>>16378669

>If you can actually cause yourself to lose during these, are they really scripted?

yes

>>16378871

Isn't that every thread on the internet ever?

>>16378432

I never played the Saturn version, but the gameplay should be identical considering it's running in a WINE-style compatibility layer, according to the developer. But the Genesis music is so much better.

>>16378428

This is almost as deluded as the people who defend Kingdom Hearts for having deep, engaging gameplay.

>>16378548

Nigger, are you going to just post dumb shit you "remember" after not having played it for a long time? Are you going to posting the same rehashed MUH SCRIPTED SHIT we've heard over and over with nothing new to add? The only scripted shit in SA are the loops. >>>/reddit/ and >>>/4um/ are where you to have the same nothing discussions people are tired of hearing.

>>16379253

You butthurt that someone insulted your favorite fucking game, you autistic little baby? Get over yourself and stop jerking off to anthromorphic animals in giant shoes.

>>16379287

>you don't agree with OP posting tired bullshit so ur furfag

Get some new material nigger lover

>>16379297

>tired bullshit

If the normal way of playing the game is boring, "move the joystick forward" crap, then the game is crap. Go defend some more shit just for your e-cred.

>>16379396

We have IDs, newfag. You can just see everything I've posted. Offense is not the same as defense, and you're a retard for thinking that. Apply yourself, you contrarian little man.

>>16379401

I'm not saying offense and defense as an isolated concept are identical, what I'm saying is that you're more hitting on e-cred and social aspects of argumentation, than anything substantive.

>>16379420

Incorrect. I merely enjoy the thrill of battle, and find no validation from other anons. I don't have anything to prove.

>>16379431

If you enjoy the thrill of battle why'd you bop into this thread to whine about someone saying to git gud?

>>16379442

That's not what he said, though. He said that Adventure was a fun, non-scripted game when you break the fucking shit out of it, because it's a buggy mess. That's not the way the devs intended you to play the game, which means they went into development expecting players to blast through all the cool scenes as quickly as possible. It was shit in 1998, and it's shit now. Actually good games are still fun even when you don't break them apart.

>>16379452

I am him you buffoon.

>>16378611

Not using Up, Down, Left, Right, , then holding down A, then pressing Start. Fucking normalfag.

>>16378176

>Why is everything so scripted?

Sonic Physic is fun but a bitch to code and design for even so called professional developer don't get the gameplay right.

>>16378513

Purchased, thanks!

To be honest I'd be down for a Sonic Adventure 2 Battle mod that changed the levels to suit Sonic's movement glitches and tech. SA2 lets you build up so much speed yet no level is made with speed in mind, ironically.

I wonder if the assets from the levels can be moved around, that'd be awesome. Sonic in all stages but all stages built on Sonic's tech.

>>16378460

You have it completely backwards. You get A Ranks by going through the level quickly with a good flow while also being stylish. Speed is of course important, but you also want to get points from enemies and tricks, but not in a way that slows you down. Sometimes you take a route that takes more time, but you the gameplay is still you going fast.

>>16378440

>the fact that its on rails is a fact.

>the fact that you can change which rails doesnt change that fact.

Your definition of "rails" must be very, very loose. I bet you're one of those faggots who would say Crash Bandicoot is "on rails" too.

I will say that I don't think Sonic Adventure 1's level design is very good compared to Sonic Adventure 2's. They got basic movement going fine, but the level design was really perfected in the sequel. Adventure 1 does have more scripted sections, but it also has a good number that are not scripted. Adventure 2 makes better use of things like alternate routes and such.

>>16378413

>what, your not impressed he found the "right" route, and pushed a button at the right time to get it?

You can break down literally any game with this description. Go in the right direction and hit the right buttons at the right times to overcome obstacles. You just described video games as a whole.

>>16378176

>Running up slopes is scripted, running through loops is scripted

But they aren't. The Adventure titles have very little scripting, especially compared to later 3D Sonics. They pay genuine attention to momentum based physics. What scripting you get is during sequences like the Radical Highway run down the building.

I have plenty of memories of fucking up the "on rails" parts in Adventure 1, nearly flying off the track, then desperately trying to hang on by jumping across the parts you wouldn't normally stand on. Even as a kid I loved experimenting by spindashing off random slopes which created shortcuts through the levels. That game is more open than it's given credit for, but I haven't played the later ones so I can't speak for them.

>>16378279

Good aside, that's not even a 3D game.

>>16380761

pedo alertz

any good sonic games for 3ds?

>>16381400

Fire and Ice and Generations are ok either pirated or cheap. The M2 ports of not only the original 2 Sonic games, but other Sega titles are pretty sweet too as they come with bonus features:

http://segabits.com/?s=SEGA+3D+Classics

>>16381365

moar