/v/ - Video Games

>>16365102

It's a very niche genre (especially touhou-tier bullet hells), compared to platformers.

Beat 'em ups usually get ignored in favor of dime a dozen pixel platformers.

I know it's a bait thread, but I bite anyway, western indies wouldn't be able to playtest their own game. Shoot 'em ups are hard, even non-bullet hell types.

Also,

>>16364262

>>16365177

To be clear, I never stated that difficulty is a bad thing, I'm only emphasizing the impossibility of casuals developing crushing hard vidya.

But hey, it's good to know.

>>16365197

Oh, I get it now. You're right.

because anything other than a pixelshit platformer takes skill, time and effort to make, all they have to do is make you go between levels using some gimmick or shitty story and thats it, cant do the same thing with shmups or beat em ups, as they require actual gameplay. id rather indies make run and guns like metal slug instead because only japs can make good shmups

There actually has always been a flood of indie shmups, you just never hear about them. If you ever spent some time on the old Shoot The Core database you'd see that people make them constantly. The problem is it's one of the easiest genres to develop, so people frequently make one as their first game. Unfortunately, it does take some skill to make a good one however.

>>16365197

Dodonpachi is shit, so neither.

How come Furi was compared to a bullet hell? It's more or less an exercise in timing your dodge.

The Star was a pretty cool boss in many ways, but it's what you'd expect out of like level 1 of an actual bullet hell.

Because virtually nobody gives a shit about shmups, that's the actual reason.

shmups suck (with a few exceptions) and have failed to evolve as a genre. Indie developers can't do anything without making shoddy knockoffs of better games. Since most of the shmup genre is already shoddy knockoffs and already niche there isn't any reason for them to make them.

>>16365160

it's not complete without a shitty vehicle

>>16365413

It's much easier to make a SHMUP than it is to make a platformer, you could argue it's harder to make a good one but the actual base mechanics for a SHMUP are tutorial level coding compared to even the most basic physics in a game. I don't really understand why there aren't more bad indie SHMUPs as a result but I guess the genre just isn't that popular.

>>16365669

sure they're easier to make but you cant have 50% of the game about the player running around reading mountains of text and force an agenda, people make platformers not only because they are easy but because of the ever increasing "retro" crowd of people that only play platformers

>>16365160

>LMAO IFRAMES OUT THE ASHOSOSLE

>VERTICAL :—DDDDDD except ITS A HORIZONTAL SHMUP THIS WHOEL TIME

what?

>>16365669

>I don't really understand why there aren't more bad indie SHMUPs as a result but I guess the genre just isn't that popular.

There are, there's shitloads of them in fact, see >>16365481. By shitloads I mean there are thousands of scrolling shooters for the PC and only a small fraction are really good. There's tons of bad freeware and commercial scrolling shooters but they're forgotten immediately.

i saw that thread on 4/v/ too op :-D

Are you retarded?

>>16365160

is this a pasta or are you just autistic

>>16365977

thankfully Western devs can't design shooters, as evident since Tyrian. There's a numer of great Japanese shooters from small teams such as Astebreed by Edelweiss.

Super niche

Trying to come up with a bullet pattern that isn't ▫▫▫▪▪▪▫▫▫ in a ring is an impossible task for 99% of devs.

Hell if you look at 90% of the custom undertale stuff the patterns are garbage.

>what is ZeroRanger

>what is Blue Revolver

>what is Devil Engine, released last month no less

>what is Nex Machina if you count twin-stick shooters

pay some more damn attention

>>16365628

It is this mindset that resulted in the cancer that are euroshmups because a pure arcade-centric genre like shoot 'em ups was too simple for the enlightened home PC gaming cabal, so they tried to make it deeper in the only way they knew; by adding tons of poorly balanced RPG elements and customization on top of pure skill-focused gameplay, while still preserving many of the arcade features native to the genre, which resulted in the videogame equivalent of a mutt. Sound familiar?

>>16365669

you need to know math to make bullet patterns, and you can't google "how to make shape like this that changes into that over time"

but /agdg/ has seen quite a few shmups

>>16366041

>somebody tried something new once and it sucked so we should never try anything new again

>>16368176

Can you give me a download link to those games please?

>>16368176

>very pretty looking

Let's not go overboard here.

Zero Ranger

>>16366019

>Western devs can't design shooters

that never stopped them before

>>16365102

There is they're just not good.

You get stuff like Wish Project or Jigoku Kisetsukan which are barely serviceable 2hu clones at best and things that will haunt your worst nightmares at worse.

>>16368376

I liked the name Final Boss better. why did they change it?

>Shoot'em ups used to have memorable levels, ships and music.

>These days,it's all about selling the characters and forgetting everything else.

What happened?

>>16368497

It's almost like people relate and more easily familiarize with people than vehicles.

>>16368484

That'd be completely impossible to search for you moron

>>16365102

Do you like Neo Geo games, OP? Check this out.

>"NG:DEV.TEAM is a German indie videogame developer, which makes homebrew games for the Neo Geo CD and the Dreamcast. Some of their games are actually comissioned."

The shmups they have made are:

>Last Hope

>Fast Striker

>Neo XYX

>Razion

And their non-shmup games are 2D sidescrolling action games:

>Gunlord

>Kraut Buster

>>16368691

>Kraut Buster

Is the game about how much Germany hates itself.

>>16368772

Unironically yes. The devs are German, but this game is very anti National Socialist. The fictional army you fight against is obviously based on Adolf and his pals.

It plays like Metal Slug tho.

>>16368877

>strong woman kills nazis

The only good Germans are the guys who've been making Gothic for the last 20 years.

>>16368755

>Foobar vs. The DEA:

That's a blast from the past, never managed to get very far in it when I was little

>>16368691

>NG:DEV.TEAM

I mean it's cool that they do homebrewed games but fucking hell do they get autistic when you mention anything about wanting to play their game on an emulator

>>16368794

>which tended to lack shmancy effects like translucency, rotation/scaling, or particles.

I can't say anything of value was gained here, both aesthetically and most especially added crap that actively makes it hard to discern projectiles or collision zones.

Also wow I can't believe someone else has played Foobar.

>>16369052

Eh, it looks a little cluttered in screenshots, but Jets'n'Guns is beauty in motion, while Platypus's wonky claymation art is also fabulous, and the demoscene-style music complements both superbly.

>Also wow I can't believe someone else has played Foobar.

Macfags were a small and rabidly starved pool among gamers, I can't imagine most of us didn't play every single shareware/freeware/demo game on Info-Mac or our local MUG BBS back in the day.

Speaking of which, anybody remember one particular shmup I can't find? You (and optionally one friend, I think) played as a mosquito, all of the graphics were 3D rendered, it was very brownish looking with a bizarre Ren & Stimpy-esque aesthetic, it was a vertical scrolling shmup, it had a cash shop between levels, and I think the name had something to do with vitamin pills you collected.

I really wish horizontal-scrollers were more popular. I want more Gradiuses, R-Types, and Thunder Forces.

>>16369155

>Jets'n'Guns is beauty in motion

Anon pls, it looks like vomit. Which may have been the aesthetic they were going for.

Ancient list of freeware shumps, the site it was uploaded to died.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:qvv7OoQn_y0J:shmups.co.uk/index.php5%3Ftitle%3DShmupsWiki:Shoot_The_Core_project:_Table_Database+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

>>16368520

>relate and more easily familiarize with

I bet you are one of those faggots who want more niggers and trannies in videogames, aren't you?

>>16369564

Gun*Nac, Lords of Thunder, and Axelay work too.

>>16365102

I imagine it's much harder to design a shmup than a platformer. Working out the enemy/bullet patterns and timing, etc.

>>16369564

Tyrian is an americlap game though.

>>16370091

It still fits the Euroshmup moniker, but it is again telling that even burgers were able to put out a better shmup than the braindead neanderthal hordes that was the 90's mainland Europe Amiga scene and its demoscene programmers more interested in flexing their art, coding, and musical capabilities, than making an actually good game.

>>16366041

I mostly use hyperbole to describe the failures of Western game design. Devil Engine is good. Your description of PC shite is also very accurate.

>>16370100

dude get this. Water droplets. But they hurt you.

>>16365102

Is not a popular genre, there are many games but they are not the high sales game

Zun had help from the world, so its not a fair comparison

<too bad he will never do anything with the chance he was given