/v/ - Video Games

Game streaming is so fucking stupid as any game not technically involved enough to be bothered by the lag probably wouldn't need the supposed advantages it provides in the first place. It's a solution looking for a problem.

>>16356429

No, it's the ultimate DRM looking for retards to pay for it

Just as the ultimate anti cheat is server side logic, the ultimate DRM is server side games.

Hopefully it will cost Google trillions with no returns, and maybe even some lawsuits

Can you even use this under Article11&13?

No anon you don't understand, my internet sometimes has trouble buffering online streams but surely Google will make it so 4K 60FPS streamed gameplay is 100% viable. In fact I guarantee it will be better than the alternatives.

>>16356446

I said supposed for a reason. Of course they aren't going to straight up admit it's DRM.

>>16356399

Stadia-chan is the only good recent cuckchan OC.

>>16356399

> all those gamers

nobody's going to fucking buy this shit dude

Why does Botnet-tan look like that? Not that I mind, after all the artist successfully made the design look as fucking stupid as the concept.

Also, reminder that Matpat shilled for this thing extensively.

>>16356399

>Telling the Truth vs Lying to sell your shitty product

FTFY

>>16356483

Finally, a console that only plays games in theory.

this will kill gaming if it becomes an accepted platform like steam

This is a company that didn't make google plus successful and they shut it down because of hacking (but that was just their excuse to get rid of it because nobody used it). What makes anyone think they can make game streaming work across different internet infrastructures and providers? Catering to the 1% and thinking because google is involved and will force the internet companies to up their network because of suppose demand seems like pure marketing pipe dream. I guess there was that 3D TV trend but this is coming off the failed resurgence of VR which still had the latency problem.

I guess there is always that headstart initiative of trying to be the first to do it right because tech does improve pretty quickly but I think they overestimate how much that improvement equates to the audience that is there that would support it. I'll eat crow if they prove me wrong but I'm highly doubtful of google to do anything right. Even their search engine has turned to crap.

>>16356483

>eceleb is a retarded shill

No surprise here.

Ah, the stadia specula. Sounds like something to grow cunt hair.

It's going to be dead on arrival. Almost everyone I've seen outside /v/ has been dunking on it ad nauseam.

>>16356514

3D displays were actually nice, the issue was (and it's retarded that they don't) nothing supported them.

Kinda like how 4k on PC should have introduced the god tier era of splitscreen but fucking NOBODY bothers with it on actual PC games.

In addition to the servers focusing on just the one game being played, the presentation probably had some really high-tier internet connection that most people aren't going to have.

>>16356461

I like honkler

>>16356519

More like something that grows on cunt hairs

>>16356593

>inherent lag input (Unsolvable. It will always be present. Always. Forever)

Just tell the goymers that the human brain can't react faster than 300ms anyway, and that even with 600 ping, the effect on gameplay is barely noticeable. You can become a e-sports champion even with 900 ping.

>you don't own anything (Also unsolvable, by design mind you)

That's not a problem, that's one of the goals of this whole thing

>>16356619

>Opinion: E-Sports Is Inherently Racist and Privileged.

>… and why exactly should we waste hours watching those privileged enough to have been blessed with both good motor skills and internet? Why should we shower them with money and praise for being better than others at tournaments? It's this type of blatant fascism that can be so easily countered by games taking the more mature route of replacing motor skill by emotional skill. Through the simple inclusion of easy mode, a grand inclusion of all types of diverse gamers can be made to the games, and everyone will be better humans for it.

4/13/2019 - Steve Butts.

>>16356399

not even with a rented dick, marketer-kun

>>16356586

Interesting good or interesting bad?

They did something interesting bad by trying to broaden the definition of what copyright protects and making a giant jargon filled shitbucket to shit all over the first sale doctrine

>>16356686

Interesting good.

>>16356692

unfortunately not amigo

>>16356399

Why does the average cuck thinks this is going to be a success just because it's google?

Remember Google+, Hangouts? Yeah me neither…

>>16356499

You forget that latency is doubled. If you have 100ms ping to Stadia servers, here's what has to happen

100ms in network latency to get your button press to the game running on Stadia

?Stadia takes time to handle your input and render the game for you

100ms in network latency for Stadia to stream the video game back to you.

At least 200ms for the game to react to your input if you have 100ms ping to Stadia.

This will be worse than any online multiplayer game you play on your own machine. At the very least, those games instantly react to your input and then try and sync everyone together and make something somewhat playable.

All input on Stadia will have network latency. You want to take your mouse and look around? Every movement of your mouse has to be sent to the server before the game reactions. Even if you have god-tier American internet, you're looking at around 30ms ping, so 60ms ping total. And of course, it's going to fluctuate, there will be lag spikes, dropped packets, etc.

Now take your mouse cursor and move it around the screen. Now imagine you have 60ms delay between your mouse moving and the cursor moving. Now imagine that it can spike to 100ms randomly. Now take that mouse cursor and use it to play a game where you have to aim with your mouse.

Even bullshit walking simulators will suck ass when it's time to do QTEs, because there will be so much latency between your input and what happens on the screen that it'll piss you off more than anything.

Just pulling up some random game servers, I don't have a single connection under 50ms ping. With Stadia, that means 100ms, at least, before I see the game react to my input.

>>16356586

Google has zero talent. They are only successful because they were first to rape everyone of their personal information and sell it. The only successful products they ever make are data collection products, and sometimes even those completely fail (like Google Poz).

The only way they survive right now is because they are so embedded in people's lives, and those people hand over so much information to Google that they can be completely inept and still have an advantage over competition, simply because they have more data.

>>16356731

What's happened with moot sine google+ was shut down?

>>16356738

>they can be completely inept and still have an advantage over competition

Fucking this.

Google is actively fucking with their search. Youtube is borderline unsearchable by terms unless it's popular, just the other day I tried to search the "that's racist" kid KFC edit, but it instead flooded me with some nigger show called "that's racist", plus I couldn't find the video which they probably purged. Google is even worse, they've been actively gimping their algorithm to prevent certain searches and tune certain results, the end result of that is that searching anything is completely shit. If it's over three words, there's something else with a similar name or google doesn't think you should find it, chances are it'll be hidden behind layers upon layers of unrelated shit.

Their services are completely unusable and guess what, everything else is even worse. Bing is shit, Startpage which is supposed to be a safe proxy needs to run more shit than google itself, and every youtube alternative or even mirrors just fucking kills themselves.

Google isn't good, they're just less worse.

Is anyone just a bit morbidly curious about the controller? Just looks like a homosexual's PS4 to me. I am just curious as to the build quality.

DS4

That's a lotta JUST, I wonder who is actually manufacturing it and all that. I want the guts. Fuck all this, and fuck that too, but I wonder if it's going to be even GameSir/Hyperkin tier.

>>16356793

Bing's the only thing that produces useful results for me anymore, what the hell are you on about?

>>16356824

I don't know about that, half the time it's shit for any deep searching. Case in point: I was trying to look into old raytheon radars and get fuck all. Go to another engine, zimzam, can't flimflam me.

You know what all Amazon has to do? Shit out some chinky basic fucking dual analog, like their drugstore mice and dump them for a fuckoff price.

I honestly can't kill this amazonbasics mouse, the DPI is for shit, but I have always worked around that. I sounds like some Bezos cunt but at least the fucking trash hasn't failed within three months like most logitech. Fuck getting a new """gaming mouse""" if the cunt is going to shit itself sooner than it takes a little faggot to get out of kindergarten.

>>16356849

Well they already do have their xbone controller knockoffs. They're cloned from those Power-A ones

>>16356793

I think they might have kicked it up a notch too, now I can't even find simple video loops with music clips without a whole lot of nothing cropping up. Perfect opportunities to bamboozle people that they've been listening to vidya music all along with the 30 second mark of this lost when I'm not at my own machine.

>>16356486

Criminally underrated post

>>16356855

I'm just cocked off at the build quality of everything these days, from peripherals, to clothes, to fucking MILK.

CUNTS

>>16356399

5G tech will probably make it viable, but I'd much rather use Parsec or Rainway than this shit.

>>16356868

>5G tech will probably make it viable, but I'd much rather use Parsec or Rainway than this shit.

If you knew diddly shit about network congestion or the actual specifics of 5G tech, you'd know what you just said was fucking retarded.

>>16356824

What the fuck are you searching? I can only get good result for technical stuff and 100% saves of eroges on google most of the time.

>>16356845

Most alternatives I saw just went in expecting to be treated as kings and got butthurt they weren't swimming in cash 3 weeks in.

Not saying Google doesn't do EA tactics, but it looks like most competitors are just stupid.

>>16356858

Loops are generally short, which means no ads, so you can't find shit when searching for them.

I remember searching for some short SFM or GMod loops only to find fuckall. I think they even removed the ability to specify the time of the video when searching.

>>16356871

Sort by upload date hasn't worked since ~2014 people only noticed now because they removed it because of christchurch.

>>16356873

Not by date, but the actual length of the video.

I remember finding some fun shit when limiting it to videos up to 30 seconds years back.

>hosted by google

>can see all info you will input into the game

>will probably get banned or hatecrime letters issued to you for calling you character nigger ingame

>>16356738

>>16356793

>Google has zero talent. They are only successful because they were first to rape everyone of their personal information and sell it.

>Google isn't good, they're just less worse.

Yep, Google services used to be good, and that's why they got where they are in the first place.

>Search engine

Until the late 2000s their search engine was light years ahead of any competition, and while nowadays it is shit, it's still less shitty than any of the alternatives.

>Youtube

Maybe you don't remember how crap Youtube was on the technical side, before it was acquired by Google.

>Gmail

Gmail was also miles ahead of any free competition in its early years. Emails sent from random servers would take at least half the time or less to arrive on your inbox compared to competing services.

Of course, nowadays most of the white men responsible for building the infrastructure and codebase for these services have been replaced by diversity hires, so it's all going to shit.

>>16356793

>Startpage

I tried using Startpage for a few weeks, but finally gave up on it because it is extremely slow. Not only the search, even the front page takes forever to load.

>>16356793

Ecosia is my favorite search engine now.

>>16356902

>Play game with Mass Effect good/evil system

>Evil play through

>Red flagged

>Arrested by police for mandatory penis inspection

>>16356907

>Maybe you don't remember how crap Youtube was on the technical side, before it was acquired by Google.

I remember it being good enough, maybe my internet was just too shitty for me to notice, then google bought it and everything got fucking ads everywhere, which then got progressively worse. I probably wouldn't even care about adblocking and preventing datamining if I hadn't learned with youtube that that wasn't normal and sites didn't need that to survive.

>slow

It's decent enough for me, my only problem are the fucking scripts.

The site ran well enough and it was decent, then they shoved scripts for no reason. It's now safer to use google with a VPN, since google itself doesn't need scripts.

>>16356910

It looks good enough. I was looking for a new search engine, I guess that's it.

>>16356962

Consider the kind of games most braindead shitters play now I think they believe latency is a standard. Have you fucking seen RDR2 in motion?

>>16356970

But it will be that plus the streaming latency. You simply don't understand how severe the issue is.

>>16356738

I will let you know that what is commonly refered as "ping" is actually a ping pong test. You send ping to the server, the server answers pong, you get the ms between sending ping and receiving pong.

100ms "ping" to stadia is 100ms. It cannot double

Worse than you getting it wrong, is nobody telling/noticing that it's wrong

>>16356962

If light based data transmission ever works, plus we get some retardedly powerful supercomputer, it might work and be relatively decent. Still not going to happen anywhere in this millennium.

>>16356982

I do. What I'm saying is many retards don't.

>>16356992

Is this the best way to get a whole lot of computers cool? I fail to believe that the filters will not clog or let shit pass through and fuck the computers.

Maybe it's some sort of closed system filled with mineral oil which then gets cooled by water? that way you don't even need to filter the water

>>16357008

>not spoilered

>inb4 ban

>>16357011

I imagine it's a closed system, with the water outside cooling the coolant via indirect contact.

Actually filtering water would require way to much maintenance to make it viable.

>>16357008

spoiler that shit you faggot

reported

>>16356994

Are you trolling or just retarded? The speed of light is too slow for streaming to work. If you had infinite bandwidth and infinite processing power the speed of information transfer itself makes game streaming terrible for most games. It makes no difference what part of the EM spectrum you use. It is a proven finite limit.

>>16356999 (Checked)

Retards don't understand it, as we see from this thread, but that doesn't mean they will accept the final product. Some will buy into it, just like they did with VR, but then they will abandon it.

I am saying you don't understand the issue which is why you think retards will happily play onlive 2.0. They won't.

>>16357008

I'm going to crosspost this to /chemo/ and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>16357045

>The speed of light is too slow for streaming to work

Your brainlet is showing.

How long does it take for light to go through a loop over the circumference of earth? Why don't you check those numbers

I don't want to defend stadia, but your brainlet arguments are forcing me to, faggot

>>16357045

>The speed of light is too slow for streaming to work.

Anon, what the fuck?

Ouya Twoya.

They'll cuddle in the same trash can, keeping each other warm as they play shitty indie titles.

>>16357077 (Checked)

>>16357084

You two have got to be trolling.

>>16357077

>How long does it take for light to go through a loop over the circumference of earth?

Well, light can travel around the globe 7.5 times in a second - and there are 1000 milliseconds in a second, so just divide 1000 by 7.5, which is 133.3ms. 266.6 both the data on the upstream and the response downstream. So, the absolute most retarded and inefficient path for the data to get to you, would in fairness make it unplayable in that very unlikely scenario of apex optimum data transmission speeds with absolute worst case routing.

>>16357115

My intent is to give perspective of how fast lightspeed is

If going through the whole world can be done 7 times per second, going 30 kilometers to the nearest data center is done in?

His shitty argument was that lightspeed makes it impossible to stream. That's clearly wrong on all accounts. You can make progressively better cables that have more and more bandwidth. Lightspeed will never be an issue unless the datacenter is on earth and you are playing on the fucking moon

>>16357108

I can only hope you are not this retarded, please stop making me defend this shit

>>16356738

Ping is two-way already.

>>16357108

Explain how light speed is slow then.

>>16357115

That's around 270ms for the data to go literally around the world. While I don't doubt google is that stupid, I imagine whoever uses light for data transmission isn't that retarded. Let's round the circumference of the earth down to 40000k and use >>16357125 's 30km for this example. That leaves us with a fifth of a millisecond of delay, considering instant computation. I'd say that's decent.

With that sort of technology the delay wouldn't be a problem for streaming, leaving us with only the other problems like ownership, that literally can't be solved.

>>16357147

Yes, please keep assuming that optic fiber magically gives routers instantaneous switching speed

>>16356677

In Polish "stadia" is plural for "stages of a disease"

>>16357125

>going 30 kilometers to the nearest data center

Most people won't be living within 30km of the nearest data center, city fag. There's a ton of other factors that add latency, from throttling ISPs, to aging telecom infrastructure, interference, the number of routers managing traffic it has to pass through - even if the actual wires are transmitting at the speed of light, you're going to add a ton of latency. Even in fiber optics, light travels about 1/3rd as fast as it does in a vaccum.

And most people don't have the luxury of Fiber Optics. They deal with copper wire, either cable or DSL. Even where fiber optics is available - the last mile problem still has you connecting to that high-speed data pipe with copper.

In the example, I'm pretty much talking about Satellite internet. Telecom Satellites orbit at about 22k miles above the surface of the Earth, and the Earth is about 24k miles around. And, beyond a short trip through the atmosphere - most of that distance is through a vacuum.

People on satellite internet fucking DREAM of having a ping as low as 233ms. It's usually between 600~800ms at the best of times.

>>16357163

In the scenario where everyone uses light speed for every data transmission and routers have 0 delay, yeah, it will probably be something like 500 meters, not 30 kilometers, my bad

The argument flew to the distant future because some retarded argued that light speed was the limiter. Please pay attention to the context

>>16356824

Bing is incapable of handling more than two words. Anything beyond that and it starts giving you stuff that just matches two of the words you entered. So it's fine for one word or two word searches, anything more precise and it is complete and total dogshit.

Such has been my experience searching for porn on Bing. Yeah it's nice that they don't censor results, but the inability to handle more than two words makes it worthless.

>>16357163

>Most people won't be living within 30km of the nearest data center, city fag.

Most people live in cities, retard. That's why the ZOG Party Blue won the popular vote last election even though a map of the USA shows mostly ZOG Party Red..

>>16357163

>light speed streaming won't work if you include stuff that's not light speed data transfer

That's the point. Streaming can't currently work properly, but it could given server to user light data transfer and an abundance of servers.

And before anyone spergs, I said it can work, not that it would be good.

>>16357183

>searching for porn on Bing

Why?

>>16357186

Not every single city is going to have a data center you cock choker. Wikipedia's own list of cities in the US by population only goes to about 300 before the population drops to 100,000. Just how many thousands of datacenters do you think Google is going to operate or pay for third parties to run for them?

Currently, Google only has 9 datacenters in the US. A lot of them aren't even in major metropolitan areas because - surprise, it takes a LOT of land and electricity to run those things, and it's far cheaper to just plant them out in the sticks somewhere adjacent to a smaller city.

https://www.google.com/about/datacenters/inside/locations/index.html

>>16356399

Is there more Stadia porn? How would you even find something like that? There's probably a -tan wiki.

>>16356471

There's nothing to buy, Stadia is an app, not a console. There might be a small box sold that allows your TV to run the app, and the controller, but tht's about it. You just need to pay for the right to stream a video of the game you want being played.

>>16357218

See, that's interesting, since the marketing pitch went on about Stadia being more powerful than the Nogames4 and Xbone. Why would you put "all that power" in a console, when you're just going to stream games through it?

>>16357269

OP never said one server. Besides, unless google is planning to go 1:1 with the servers, his argument still stands.

This almost hast to be internal sabotage.

>>16357045

>is why you think retards will happily play onlive 2.0

I never said this.

Stadia is doomed to fail at the two things that it's supposed to be "good" at: cost and graphical fidelity.

Internet is shit in most of the US, you have to live close to a big city to get a decent connection. If you can afford to live in an area that has a connection good enough that Stadia can work, you can afford a real console or gaming PC. And if you can't, you're sure as shit going to have a better time on a traditional console than you would trying to stream over a shitpipe.

Stadia is supposed to have superior graphics because Google is using much more powerful hardware in their backend than any console manufacturer could get away with charging for, or even what most PC gamers could justify purchasing. But even if that power is used for better effects etc for the internal rendering, what the player sees is going to be shit regardless after compression. For fuck's sake Twitch streams look like hot garbage in motion-heavy sequences half the time and those have multiple seconds of delay to work with.

Stadia makes perfect sense for Google employees: overpaid 30 to 40-something tech dudes living in extremely expensive cities who rarely play games but occasionally get the urge to check out the latest flavor of the month. They have good internet and the datacenter will probably be close by, so the stream quality and latency might be bearable to them, especially since they are older, have low standards for latency, and probably aren't playing games that are very difficult to begin with. Maybe to them it makes sense to pay Google to have them handle the maintenance of the hardware, enough so that Google thought they could make a viable product out of this. But of course outside of this tiny bubble Stadia is going to fail spectacularly.

The prediction I hope the most will come true is that once Fortnite etc. come to Stadia and you can see a little Stadia icon next to players' names during cross play (I think that already happens with the other consoles), kids will start bullying Stadia players and call them dumb old men that suck at games.

>>16357236

"All that power" refers to the servers on the backend. The streaming device certainly won't be that powerful. It "works" (it doesn't) because not everyone that has a Stadia subscription will be playing at the same time, so they don't have to buy a server per player.

>>16356824

Bing:

1. cannot search for strings

2. cannot reverse image search

3. cannot even search Microsoft's own internal support systems

4. cannot handle searches of more than three words, bar none

I still use it as my primary because fuck Google.

>>16357371

>Microsoft tried streaming and they found it's unpractical.

Microsoft is still going full steam ahead, but they're taking a different approach. Rather than having you connect to an expansive and costly datacenter halfway across the country - they're going to >>16356992 distribute the data centers in low cost modular deployments all around the country in concentrations that scale to local demand.

It's going to take a while to build, and it's going to suck ass even under the best conditions, but it has the highest potential out of any of them to be usable. And even if it fails, they can use that infrastructure for other purposes - or lease it out to local startups who will cover the cost of maintenance and upgrades for them while still paying Microsoft.

>>16357403

>distribute the data centers in low cost modular deployments all around the country in concentrations that scale to local demand.

This isn't a new concept, it's been a thing for many years now and is called a Content Delivery Network (CDN) and basically the data is held and mirrored by ISPs themselves. They could still go ahead with that but I don't think it'll make that much more of a difference. Not even Netflix works all the time for everyone and it's generally ran off of CDNs

>>16357319

>a cow farm only has one cow

Okay, retard.

>>16356994

Quantum computers do exist though. There just needs to be a cheaper way to make superconductors.

>>16356869

Isn't comparable to cable internet?

>>16357499

Cheaper manufacturing is meaningless. We need room temperature superconductors. Those will make an MRI cost $100,000 rather than $1,000,000 and allow us to completely revolutionize power transmission forever.

>>16357593

5G can’t go through rain or brick. It needs thousands of towers to saturate even a few square miles. It’s nothing like wired or previous cellular tech. It also causes cancer.

>>16357600

>goldface

MARK MARK MARK MARK MARK MARK MARK

>>16356399

>google product

>no hook nose

>not a bored out whore

Something fishy is going on around here.

>>16356992

This seems like a stupid idea since the cost of maintenance would be insane. Microsoft practically invented the concept of importing streetshitters as IT help desk monkeys and turning that profession into something that pays little more than minimum wage.

If one of these pods needs to be repaired now they have to pay for a ship, a crew, a crane operator, and professional divers. None of those people work for cheap and you can't just get a van of spics to do it.

>>16357731

Perhaps the plan is to just abandon it and dump a new one near it.

>>16357737

that seems almost as costly as just fixing the old one.

>>16356399

At least it wasn’t like the presentation of Gears of War 2 where they played a video of gameplay and Cliff pretended to play.

>>16357747

Yes, but think of all the environmental damage you can whine about for pork barreling.

>>16357756

No, they did that too. There was a part where they played some racing game and the guy's thumbstick movement was not at all matching what was going on screen.

>>16357598

https://phys.org/news/2016-12-devices-electricity-closer-reality.html

solid-state thermoelectrics will be much more important than cheap semi conductors. For other reasons, however

Thermoelectrics are absolutely broken and I believe they will one day obliterate the second law of thermodynamics

Usually when I "Figure out" some way to cheat the laws of thermodynamics, it's because I lack knowledge about something, but hear me out on this one.

thermoelectric plates can use electricity to force a heat gradient

when something gets too hot, it will glow white, thus produce photons

solar panels use photons to generate electricity without the need of a heat gradient(thus does not require part of it being cold, or so I believe)

Put this shit on a loop, and the machine (if efficient enough) will steal heat from stuff to generate electricity.

Maybe it's impossible to ever reach efficiencies high enough to steal room temperature, but this thing already is able to generate electricity from systems over 5,778 K (Ie: the fucking sun photons are made into electricity). So the total efficiency of the system should only ever dictate how far it can convert heat into electricity, rather than 'it's possible or not'

Where's Stadia chan's benis?

>>16358159

>trap fags

>>>/out/

You fags already ruined Shimakaze, don't take this next slut away from me.*

>>16358162

I swore the original creator made it a boy girl on purpose to mock Google's gender politics. Was,that changed officially finally?

>>16358170

I hope so. I hate when I want to fuck anime girls and they have a dick.

It happened at least thrice already.

>>16358176

I wasn't sure. . I understand zombie trap eventually turned people off of Zombieland Saga because the reveal feels arbitrary pandering.

I want to rip off Stadia's clothes and use her tiny body like a fleshligh!

>>16357600

>that skinnyfat nintentard

magnifique

Wot, why did you kikes? Who'd that kike off so bad?

>>16357045

>speed of light

This. There will ALWAYS be a delay.

The only reasonable theory they have for removing the delay inherent to the speed of light is in using quantum entanglement, and that's a ridiculously monumental task, especially considering all the best minds are being kept out of STEM fields in favor of "equity" for brainlet protected classes like poos, trannys, niggers and women.

Steaming is, and will remain a fucking meme.

>>16357205

>Wikipedia's own list of cities in the US by population only goes to about 300

And that right there is over half the US population, you drooling idiot.

>before the population drops to 100,000

Those are towns, not cities.

>>16356962

No, according to speed of light, you can kind of have game streaming. I have 25 ms ping to Google servers, and Google could easily put datacenters all over the world, one or two per country, to reduce this even further.

That is, if speed of light was the only thing keeping them back. Our worst case scenario is 67 ms from one extreme of the world to the other if speed of light was the only thing keeping you back. If I have 110 ms to some servers in Germany (and I am away from Germany like one tenth of the diameter of the Earth, so go figure), it is because there are other issues. Server processing is the main one, but data doesn't really travel at the speed of light (c is the speed of light in the vacuum, and copper is not vacuum), routers are quick but not speed of light quick, packets may be redirected back and forth on the physical layer so the effective length is much longer, etc. Your OS also produces some frame delay, but only fighting game tryhards swear one or two frames of delay makes games literally unplayable.

The tl;dr is that, if speed of light was the only thing keeping you down, we could stream games. But it isn't the only thing keeping you down, so good luck changing the entire global network infrastructure within the following 50 years.

Well, if the polack didn't. I made six batches of potato and cheese pierogi.

You're all invited to dinner.

>>16358941

110 ms is bad for playing with local extrapolation, but luckily, I get pings in the 60-80 for most games, it's just this one has terrible servers.

Thing is, your OS probably adds one frame of delay, because no consumer OS is realtime; if you have vsync, that's another frame of lag; chances are whatever input devices you have introduce some delay as well; and certain output devices may add a lot of lag, but most hardcore gamers tend to use 1ms TN panels, and absolute tryhards may even go as far as using CRT. With the proper technology, we may shave off one to three frames of delay, which could amount to a whopping total of ~45 ms, which could make up for the ping towards a relatively nearby datacenter. The most delay-sensitive genre would be a FPS, and I think it could be playable with up to three frames of lag, but anything more would be unplayable. Most other games, specially for casual gamers, could be playable with slightly more input lag.

But Google can't fix TV input lag, nor dropped packets, not even guarantee 45 ms of ping to the data center, nor guarantee their machines will be able to process all that stuff in less than 10 ms. Even though Google is developing a realtime OS, I have my doubts the controller could even manage to send its input instantly to the network. If we were assuming sci-fi tech then sure, we could have game streaming and still be playable for everyone but Smash babbies who are still tringe to clinge to Melee, but Google has no sci-fi tech, and even if they did, they would have to change the entire network infrastructure as well.

tl;dr game streaming is possible in paper, specially if they develop some tricks to make the console attempt to extrapolate camera movement to provide the illusion of responsiveness. In practice, it's going to be a fucking mess until we become a Tier 1 civilization, or unless we consciously restructure the way modern technology works to make way for game streaming (hint: never going to happen).

>We're talking about people noticing differences so negligible that it's down to barely two frames difference, and yet they still noticed it instinctively

The whole fighting game scene has been a shitshow ever since the introduction of generic premade engines like UE4. I am sure they would have attempted to check for input lag, even if it didn't have it, just in case they managed to find another reason to complain about anything that's not Melee.

Truth is, as much as they boast about having superhuman reaction times think games with continous input such as shooters may be more noticeable, if they really were able to count frames and react to the smallest delay with sub-20 ms reaction times, they would be able to block all attacks. But they don't, so my guess is they don't really have reaction times as good as they claim to have.

>>16356399

Man, third pic would be really hot if it wasn't some autistic cuckchan OC being groped.

>>16359522

that's a deer you fucking urbanite

>>16359548

I feel ashamed

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>>16359502

>Truth is, as much as they boast about having superhuman reaction times

>if they really were able to count frames and react to the smallest delay with sub-20 ms reaction times

Noticing and reacting are two different things.

>>16359502

Human reaction averages at 0.25 seconds, with 0.15 being close to the limit of human ability. But go on, try playing a 60 FPS game with a simulated input lag of 7 frames (rough equivalent of 0.125 seconds, less than the reaction time of over 99% of humanity) and tell me you don't see a difference, when even a 4 frame delay in online fighters is considered noticeable enough to make fast characters far harder to deal with than in minimum lag environment.

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