/v/ - Video Games

>>16303542

They went full kike off the bat with it. You need to spend an exorbitant amount of money just to play regularly.

>we've released dozens of titles that changed the world (and one that didn't)

They've gone into maintenance mode, absolutely. They won't try to fix Artifact, they'll let it die until everybody forgets about it.

>>16303598

>whales will be playing with themselves

I hope those fucks go broke so they don't shit up everything else.

>>16303637

They can't go broke since most of them are using someone else's money.

>>16303798

A lot of people have simply forgotten about the game. It's a game nobody asked for.

The fuck is Artifact

>>16303798

That right there is probably the supreme insult. The game is so shit, that it surprises absolutely nobody when it inevitably fails. It's just that bad.

>>16303864

A Valve game nobody wanted

>>16303864

A poorly-disquised attempt to fleece money off the CCG-playing whales

>>16303996

That was over 4 years too late.

>>16303542

>As somebody who doesn't play card games, I must ask what happened with Artifact

It made many mistakes and tried to badger its way into a market that is already tiring of digital CGs like Hearthstone and Shadowverse. Basically, if a company makes a CG, there are two ways to handle it: be a trading card game (Magic: The Gathering, Force of Will), or be a living card game (Netrunner). The major difference is that in a TCG, your cards are yours to do with as you please, and you can trade or cash out at any time. The company keeps a steady stream of revenue by releasing new sets of cards. An LCG is more like a board game: buy it once, and you get every card, and you use those to build your decks rather than booster packs/buying from second party stores. The company makes money by releasing new sets of cards, but each is only a one-time purchase.

Artifact had sort of a hodge-podge of both models, which satisfied no-one.

>game is $20 up front

>>but it isn't an LCG, because you only get basic cards with your initial purchase, and you can still buy booster packs

>the only way you can acquire new cards is from buying them on the Steam marketplace (which gives Valve a cut), or from buying booster packs, which are completely random

>the only way you can participate in ranked online matches or drafts is by paying real money to enter them

There isn't any form of in-game currency, like Hearthstone's gold, earnable through playing. If you want more cards or anything beyond a casual match (which I believe you can only do with Steam friends), then you need to pay every time with real money.

This is, of course, to say nothing of the gameplay. I haven't looked at much of it myself, but the impression I've gathered from people who did play it is that it's too complicated for its own good.

>five colours of cards

>several types of cards like heroes, minions, enhancements, etc.

>each turn has multiple phases, for minions to spawn in, to buy items, and to actually play cards or attack

>you manage this clusterfuck of information across three boards, each of which will probably look radically different

>just like a real ASSFAGGOTS, you can make some bad decisions early on and spend the next half hour trying to claw your way back in to the game only to lose to a factor outside of your control

Many card games have "soft" game enders, like Force of Will's J-Ruler God Arts, which are prohibitively expensive, but win the game and prevent stalling out. To my knowledge, there is no similar mechanic in Artifact.

So ultimately, you have a game that was meant to appeal to hardcore card game players (who aren't already playing MTG), on a digital platform which didn't offer any generous incentives (like Hearthstone or Shadowverse do frequently), which was so complicated as to be impenetrable to anyone who hadn't been playing the beta for weeks beforehand (which is the majority of the target audience), and where players could only expand their collections by paying Valve directly for pieces of digital data.

Their greatest crime, however, is making Winter Wyvern sound like a tranny instead of a purring MILF. Absolutely unforgiveable.

>>16304173

And here's what she sounds like in Artifact.

>>16304173

>>16304174

she's a dragon you scalie fuck

>>16303556

This is the most correct answer.

>>16304200

Because he was getting paid to promote it.

>>16304218

He uses a deep pore cleanser after the ice pack, which is just plain stupid, his pores are all clenched after the cold.

>>16304218

>Not going for the "Seen some shit" look at 35

>>16303871

>Ricochet

Shhhh gentle anon. Everyone here is too young to know what that is.

>>16304388

Stop being a condescending faggot, everybody above the age of 15 knows what Ricochet is. I'm 18 and I know what Ricochet is.

>>16304507

Probably

Posted just now.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/583950/announcements/detail/1819924505115920089

>When we launched Artifact, we expected it would be the beginning of a long journey, that it would lay the foundation for years to come. Our plan was to immediately dive into our normal strategy of shipping a series of updates driven by the dialogue community members were having with each other and with us.

>Obviously, things didn't turn out how we hoped. Artifact represents the largest discrepancy between our expectations for how one of our games would be received and the actual outcome. But we don't think that players misunderstand our game, or that they're playing it wrong. Artifact now represents an opportunity for us to improve our craft and use that knowledge to build better games.

>Since launch, we've been looking carefully at how players interact with the game as well as gathering feedback. It has become clear that there are deep-rooted issues with the game and that our original update strategy of releasing new features and cards would be insufficient to address them. Instead, we believe the correct course of action is to take larger steps, to re-examine the decisions we've made along the way regarding game design, the economy, the social experience of playing, and more.

>So what does this mean?

>Moving forward, we'll be heads-down focusing on addressing these larger issues instead of shipping updates. While we expect this process of experimentation and development to take a significant amount of time, we’re excited to tackle this challenge and will get back to you as soon as we are ready.

in other words, update never, ded gaem, get fucked artishit

>>16304631

It feels so good to see the pathetic losers at reddit suffering.

>>16304631

Lol.

Bout time the "development-stage market-testing is dead" meme takes a hit.

Can't say this is a result of:

- Valve not having a proper, business leadership hierarchy.

- Valve hiring fresh-outta-college kids and experienced coders who don't understand business.

- Valve listening to yuppie journalists (bloggers) as how the average Joe operates

Or some other issue, but the "let's just patch our game post-launch until it keeps making more and more money" formula isn't always going to work.

>>16304506

I had those ship things but never played the game (didn't even know about it). They just looked cool

>>16304665

Oh nice! How did you come across them?

>>16303542

Valve was always shit. Every single game made by them is shit.

>>16303798

Would Anthem fall into that category? After 1 month, their 1.04 update broke the game again. They have items that basically don't work where you can roll 0s on an effect or give 20% shield to your enemy upon defeat. Also, slowly giving you more textures and pieces for customization that were clearly there as shown before in an earlier alpha stream. There was that 1 week boycott because the beta testers still playing didn't get enough loot when they rolled back the drop rates. Yet, I hear barely anyone talk about Anthem, unlike when a massive failure like Fallout 76 even got talked about way after release when they even fuck up merchandise for their game. Maybe people stopped caring about Bioware and Anthem was already the nail in the coffin.

>>16304707

Well, people were making fun of it for a while there but there's really not much to it. It's yet another EA game while Atifact is so far out there and out of left field that people already built up an immunity to it by its announcement.

>>16304707

Fallout 76 failed spectacularly, multiple times. They fucked their deluxe edition. They fucked up save files. They reconciled their fuck ups by giving everyone fake money worth less than five dollars. It's like one of those horrific car accidents where the car slams into something and is already totaled, and then the fire gets to the gas tank and it explodes later.

I'm sure we'll see the glitch compilation videos for Anthem soon, but aside from the incredibly cringey livestreams (UHH EXCUSE ME DID YOU JUST CALL THEM NPCS AND NOT SAPIENCE CHALLENGED ENTITIES) it's not anywhere near Todd's Out 56 on Metacritic.

>>16304793

Fallout 76 was such a fuckup it killed the Bethesda store. That's a historical achievement.

>>16304631

Thank god. Death to CCGs. Death to CCG players.

>>16304631

>Moving forward, we'll be heads-down focusing on addressing these larger issues instead of shipping updates. While we expect this process of experimentation and development to take a significant amount of time, we’re excited to tackle this challenge and will get back to you as soon as we are ready.

Sounds like they're planning on a total rework. Which means VNN was right, they will be re-launching Artifact at some point.

https://steamcommunity.com/games/583950/announcements/detail/1819924505115920089

NO UPDATES ANYTIME SOON

>>16304963

So it will fail twice?

>>16304506

I used to play Pirates with my brother. He even won the special Promo Black Pearl ship in a local tournament.

>>16304506

>You and your friends sink an incredible amount of energy and money into a bunch of cardstock rectangles, and essentially play the lottery to get the top tier cards.

Nigger please, yugioh structure decks were $40 and came with 60 cards, a cool poster and a paper play mat, plus kids didn't care about the official rules, they just summoned beatsticks without cost and occasionally used spells and trap cards like in the anime.

Magic trannies need not apply.

>>16304434

>everybody above the age of 15 knows what Ricochet is

most people above the age of 15 don't know what half-life is, let alone a title 100x more obscure

you don't know shit beyond "oh i saw that in the valve complete pack lol"

>>16304506

>You and your friends sink an incredible amount of energy and money into a bunch of cardstock rectangles, and essentially play the lottery to get the top tier cards.

My MTG experience was a bit different. Rather than a lottery it was more like I was advising my friends how to properly play the stock market. I would tell them what the sleeper rare of each set was and they would invest a few hundred dollars on them only to sell back for profit on ebay after they shot up.

I did tell the people I knew that artifact was going to fail and luckily stopped a few from buying in.

card gaymes are boring.

>>16304183

she's a wyvern not a dragon retard

Why do you keep making threads about this shit game no one even plays

Imagine being the only Artifact player left in the world

>>16304978

It'll launch and fail as many times Tencent pays them under the table to do it in an effort to devalue their platform.

>>16305159

Because it's satisfying seeing a game no one wanted fail so hard.

>>16305205

>we’re excited to tackle this challenge and will get back to you as soon as we are ready.

Which will happen first, HL3 release or artifact gets patched into a good game?

Trick question: they're both never ever

>>16305389

The real twist is Hunt Down the Freeman was HL3.

>>16303542

>what happened with Artifact

Valve went full turbojew by making you pay $20 to play it, and then if you wanted more cards you had to buy them on boosters or separately.

Say what you want about how much of an unbalanced cancer Hearthstone is or the infinite amount of bugs MTG Arena has right now, at least those games are free, and you can grind in them to get cards.

For fucks sake, not even gacha are this much jewish in comparison to what Valve tried to pull off

>>16305505

That's cool, now watch these double digits

>>16305524

thats not dubs

If valve ever fucking does something ever again and finally fucking releases source 3, I hope to fuck it has highly advanced physics and terrain destruction.

But instead I am sure they will focus on vr faggotry which will always remain fringe.

normalfags will never adopt vr. It just wont happen. Someone needs to tell the valve hugbox that.

>>16306033

>normalfags will never adopt vr. It just wont happen

1. Look at VR chat and tell me it isn't normgroid central

2. Oh no, what ever will we do without these faggots destroying yet another facet of our hobby.

>>16306049

I dont disagree.

I am saying by the way valve talks about, VR is going to be the next huge thing in gaming.

Valve is deslusional. I would rather see their energies focused on better game design than pushing VR and failing…again…

>>16304434

>18

you have to be 21 to post here

>>16305672

ricoshit is that tron ripoff game they made about throwing dicks.

>>16306088

>21

you have to be 25 to post here

>>16306141

Go huff some zyke you fucking retarded nigger.

>>16306110

Ricochet was terrible though.

>>16306174

>t. Can't aim projectiles

>>16308297

id do that if i felt autistic enough to go and buy it since i never bought the valve pack

>>16304183

I'm okay with that.

No I am sorry I cannot recall Ricochet. I can recall any number of obscure weebshit VNs or long forgotten C&C clones but I am drawing a huge blank on Ricochet.

My take has always been that Valve is overrated. Whatever passion for videogames they had is long gone.

>>16303542

>It had a large 60+k

False numbers. Inflated by bots and fake accounts from the company. A shitty game will always be a shitty game, no matter how much the company lies about the numbers.

>>16304434

37 and that's a nope

>>16306080

>>16304434

Vitality is wasted on the youth, wisdom wasted on the old.

>>16304218

Men aren't supposed to look good though.

I bet there was a lot of money spent on research on how to wring out as much money as possible out of consumers. Some people out there were like "We've cracked the code, lads, lets suck goyim dry!". And then it all crashed and burned and someone got fired.

GARFIELF YOU LAZY DEVELOPER WHERE DID ALL THE PLAYBASE GO

>>16304631

>we tried so hard

>and we got so far

>but in the end

>it didn't even matter

t. valve

>>16303542

AutoChess 2 is going to be big. I imagine they'll do a deck builder or something so they can monetize the game.

Artifact is dipping down to 70 players.

It hit 70 on Tuesday and again on Wednesday.

>>16303542

from what i could gather..

they decided to put out an online card game at a premium price in a market where all of its competitors are free to play. on top of that, they still tried greedy and required you to cough up money for cards instead of gaining them from play. this compounded with the fact that, in order to be competitive with the prevailing meta, you had to have certain specific cards which meant you had to buy card packs or get ripped off on the steam marketplace. the game was also boring and difficult to watch. its hard to sell people on a game where you don't see people looking like they're having fun with it.

probably the first step valve has to do to at least get it living again is probably refund everyone's 20 bux and make it F2P. then fix the game and be less greedy overall..

>>16329332

And its negative summ game. Ticket cost 5$. To gain cards worth 5$ you need more than 50% winrate. Everything designed to drain players from their money.

The point of buying ticket is to gain cards, if you need to gain cards than you dont have god cards already and more likely to lose so there is no reason to buy a ticket (unless you dont know how game works). Its a fucking scam until everyone learns how it work.

And game was for casual assfaggots and blizzard card games faggots. And they expected people who prefer f2p games to pay for fucking every single fucking thing to be able to play a game they already purchased.

Basically they run a scam but forgot to hide all the scammy parts. I mean how the fuck you fuck up a fucking gacha machine? Fucking up something chinks been doing for years is an achievement in itself. I can picture all the internal decisions.

>and when player wins a pack of cards…

>you mean when he wins privilege to buy a pack of cards

>we can make a game f2p where players have to buy packs and tickets and p2p players will receive everything in base game

>how about we make game p2p and p2p players will have to pay for cards and tickets instead?

>but that way no one will play it, because p2p players will not be able to win over f2p players

>shut up, everyone will play it anyway! And everyone will pay for every single thing!

>>16329338

My autism demands to point out that Kazuma had 1/3 chance of losing in each round and as result he had 1/3 (tiny bit less) chance of not losing in 3 rounds. Factoring his luck he was likely to win, not "impossible to win 3 in a row". He doesnt even need to win 3 in a row.

>>16329197

>auto slot machine now with actual money

It seems like game was designed with that in mind. If you can call making a slot machine "design".

>>16329431

So it seems aside from being pay-to-win, the people who do win get more cards to make them win more, which definitely counters the whole fixed and provable drop-rates thing by making it effectively non-deterministic. If it's not that I'd have to look more closely into it to get it, but honestly I don't care about this failure as long as it is one.

>Its not 3 wins in a row its "if I lose a single time".

That only applies when taken on its own, and not how RPS is actually played. But in your hypothetical game it's 29.6% to not have a loss in 3 hands, 19.75% in 4.

Also made me remember 野球拳 is a thing and it's not common enough.

>>16329485

>if I lose a single time

>and not how RPS is actually played

This is what he said and she agreed. Cant you understand how unfair and misleading rules work?

>>16319374

>I bet there was a lot of money spent on research on how to wring out as much money as possible out of consumers.

Marketing research is certainty exactly what you describe, with the consumers being the corporations expecting to make a profit from the marketing research. Too bad corporations either don’t know, or care to know, that they’re the real target audience for marketing profits.

valvedup btfo

god im so sick of valve's faggotry

>>16329502

This is too damn true. Too many studios are forgetting what sells games. It's also why buying successful studios often doesn't work. Too often the ones doing it are controlling dipshits like EA who think they know how to do it better or with more "mass appeal".

>>16329499

Actually that's what the subtitles say and they're probably CR trash. Even if it's accurate though, you are letting the autism seep in if you think it was meant literally. Also don't forget Aqua's an unlucky damegami.

>>16329514

>autism seep in if you think it was meant literally

This is how you fucking win and its perfectly fits his character. He took a goddess with him because "you can take one thing from here".

>Too many studios are forgetting what sells games

Yeah, and they forget that competition exist. Hell, they even were trying to compete with dota2, their own fucking game.

>EA

To be honest, they fucking know how to milk everything they have to the last drop of blood. Even if they lose millions they still keep their profits by their jewish magic. For example do you think its good or bad that your company stocks suddenly lost half their value?

No, if that was your plan to buy back stocks in your company with the money you get from that company(or salary you pay to yourself). As result you dont lose a single fucking thing and gain bigger % of the company you are in control and you can decide to increase stock price or drop it. Unless government sticks its nose, you are golden and you can fucking pay government to fuck off or make laws that benefit you. And its not even their money they are losing… The only problem they are facing is that more then one government starts to look into their bullshit and they were clearly unprepared for that.

>government asks us to pay them?.. But we already payed them!… What do you mean there are more than one government?!

Also stop being so naive in general.

>>16329547

You do not win by stacking the odds against you to ~20%, or fewer given the unlucky Goddess rigged the last hand.

>>16329709

>You do not win by stacking the odds against you to ~20%, or fewer

You do not understand how it works and you dont understand how math works. You dont just name numbers at random because "you feel like its correct". His chance to win was 29% without factoring his luck and experience and goddess retardation.

>>16330173

what if by some .0001% chance, valve is working on taking artifact off steam?

just a thought knowing modern valve's mentally unstable mindsets of current year

>>16330432

That would attract too much attention so don't count on it.

>>16330450

>implying valve doesn't do everything these days for the sake of attention

>>16329431

>Filename

Clever girl

>>16330544

Alright thanks for the update.

>>16303556

>They went full kike off the bat with it. You need to spend an exorbitant amount of money just to play regularly.

Not true, but their marketing was nonexistent to actually change that perception. The best game mode (phantom draft) had 0 pay to win and didn't cost a dime beyond the 10 card packs the game forced you to purchase to own it.

>>16303542

The game, although solid at its foundation, was a mess. Monetization was terrible, since the game was a TCCG like MTG, but fully digital, which is pretty shit.

Game modes was bizarre. You couldn't play draft with your friends or host draft tournaments, everything was skewed towards constructed, which is always shitty at the beginning of a TCG's life and will always be P2W on TCGs as well. Lose lose.

Valve should've focused on retention by encouraging people to play draft and limited, both fun game modes that doesn't require money, while they built up a competitive constructed community under the weight of a casual playerbase with further expansions down the line.

TL;DR Valve was greedy and rushed things a lot

>>16330718

>although solid at its foundation

Stop with the reddit shit anon. You sound like one of those youtubers who explains why a game failed by reading the wikipedia article and misses literally every single real reason. The game is bad. Just like Lawbreakers and all the other dead games with serious fundamental issues.

A good example is those stupid fucking arrow cards.

>>16306080

Don't disgrace Miku you faggot.

Or post here until you can legally drink.

>>16330718

TL;DR The game is shit and Valve is shit. Bob Dylan tier shit.

>>16330846

>16330846

miku is the worst fucking girl, literally normaalfaggiest of all normalfags. she deserves only to be forgotten as her lewds arent even good and her music is pure rotting shit

>>16331317

luka is the best but still kill yourself faggot

>>16330646

What's that screencap from?

>>16331325

Luka fucks niggers.

>>16329338

>remembered a couple of recent shitty games that were so bad 8ch forgot to make fun

>was going to list them

>mfw I forgot about them too

True death. I think Artifact would already be there for me as well if OP stopped making threads about it.

>>16331325

It's actually Rin that is best but we can still be friends in wishing death upon that niggerfaggot.

>>16306153

>25

You have to be a wizard to post here.

>>16331468

Mark isn't even 30 yet.

>>16304224

He should use the ice pack after pore cleanser and opening the pores with hot water.

haa

>>16334034

Don't be surprised if Valve suddenly releases Half Life 3 officially, but as a VR rail shooter.

Has Valve done anything of worth in 10 years? I mean they are running Steam and it kinda works I guess.

But apart from that they just don't even seem to be part of the industry anymore.

>>16334523

Portal 2 was 8 years ago so still fits, if you consider it worthwhile. It's at least a game, if not a good one.

Don't even respond to it.

>>16304388

I remember Ricochet and I'm still upset it didn't get a Source remake

t. 30+ anon

>>16335110

Those aren't anime titties.

>>16335110

is this real?

All i get is some crappy "mini series" with shitty acting about internet adiction

>>16334523

They didn't in their whole existence. Even if you consider that they ever did, whenever anyone gave money to them, they were feeding the cancer.

All companies are enemies of their customers.

>>16335110

>steam allows cuckolding

Sounds about right.

>>16335110

Nothing he said is wrong. One game is not "plenty" and 90% of the porn Valve lets in is fujoshi faggot shite because it's "diverse."

>>16311779

My bet is incels.

Now that I think about it, it really does seem like they built a card game to be like Dota instead of just making a card game to be its own thing. The fact it takes so long to play a single turn, and having three playfields that you need to both worry about and defend/attack, makes it more of a chore. Magic and Yu-Gi-Oh (later expansions) could be complicated as can be, but at least it was on one playfield. To think that they used the Source engine and they were planning on putting it on phones made me think they were over their heads, especially with no Source games on phones.

Chances are Valve only made Artifact because all their employees were either playing Hearthstone or Dota 2 on company time. Their flat hierarchy means that no project gets started or worked on without employees convincing other employees that it would be cool to actually make something. The dumb hipster faggots at Valve probably thought that it would be super cool to have their own digital card game that they could control.

>>16337778

And their structure revealed a really obvious problem when it comes to competition, that being they only get around to it when the games in question they want to copy have already saturated the market. Had Artifact came out in 2012 it probably would've done much better and had the time to get fixed before being raped in the ass by Hearthstone.

>>16337795

>already saturated the market

Don't repeat industry narratives. That is their excuse for failing, not the reason. Remember that when you repeat these narratives you are taking away blame from the real problems, namely the extremely poor game design.

How do you explain the 99% who paid for the game and then dropped it? How do you explain other games that do well in an allegedly over saturated market after coming out of nowhere?

>Had Artifact came out in 2012

It would have failed at any time. Please stop pretending the game is good or average or acceptable and that external factors are to blame. They're not. The game is shit.

>>16337841

>How do you explain the 99% who paid for the game and then dropped it?

Valve fanboys who never know any better.

remember how the first iteration of Half-Life was shit and they practically rebooted the game?

thats not going to happen, they wont commit to anything these days or are unwilling to spend energy necessary to get anything substancial shipped, they seems to have forgotten that you cant ship anything without sacrifices

>>16337841

Try actually reading the whole post next time.

if /v/ wasn't talking about it I never would have known this game existed. I have zero interest in card games unless it's playing poker in real life or something similar.

>>16334042

If artifact jumping on the card game train 4 years after it already left the station is any indication HL3 is going to be a battle royale game released in 2021

>>16340033

needs to be furry inflation porn and feet porn