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I find Grim Dawn to be extremely exhausting to play for some reason.

Are there any of these diablolikes or whatever you want to call them that don't go for the gritty look and aren't actually crap? Bought all I can think of is Torchlight and that one Greek one.

>>16296302

>bought all

so play them

>that greek one

how do you not know about Titan Quest? It was made by the same devs as GD.

If you want to play a happy friendship sunshine and rainbows Diablo clone then play Diablo 3

>>16296306

What part of "aren't actually crap" do you not understand?

>>16296284

>buying games

Ha, what a fag.

>Finally comes out

>Got too much other shit to play first

Damn, I'll definitely be checking it out at some point though. New class just looks like a fire Soldier, not that it's a bad thing. I imagine Oath combined with Soldier or Demo would be pretty fun.

>>16296655

Also of note would be Occultist because of the 'Path of Tree' exclusive which converts physical damage to acid and poison, and many of the oathkeeper skills having optional sidegrades that also change the damage type to acid or poison.

>>16296240

>About to start ultimate with a level 1 character

I've seen the devs do this and it looks like utter cancer. Mobs take forever to die, you take huge hits. Plus you get the -50% to resistances without having any of the gear/enchants to buff it up since you lack the level and rep.

Best way to do it is probably play through veteran mode and just skip NG+ going straight to NG++.

>>16296765

Apparently they give you all the quest skill points and even devotion points from the previous 2 difficulties. It's the gear you need to track down at that point

>>16296765

It's actually not that bad, you start with a bunch of skill and stat points and level fairly quickly, had my attack skill maxed by lvl 5 I think.

I honestly enjoy the added challenge, even on veteran the start is way too easy and boring if you're familiar with the game.

Quests also give a fuckload of experience, just finished the first main quest by killing the boss in Burial Hills (second portal) and got 10 levels worth of exp when turning it in. Got another 2 per quests (turn in scrap, aether shard and talk to respec chick) granting a total of 16 level ups.

And if you have a character on Ultimate, you should have a ton of levelling gear in your stash.

>>16296788

You actually don't get devotion points for free, I think they just added more shrines.

>>16296781

Yeah it's great, pirate it if you're unsure.

>>16296817

Yeah, but that's not going to help you with resistances much, you'll start with -50% in the top and -25% in the bottom. Overall you'll have no resistance even with lokarr.

I'm going to miss seeing her on the load screen

>>16296830

It's 4 skill points and 4 attribute points right? I plan on trying it eventually at least but not too sure that'll help. If you level real quick compare to veteran might be worth it. Thinking about it now, I wonder if running out of quests while leveling is an issue.

Hopefully if there are any kinks they'll be worked out quick.

>>16296830

Odd, I definitely remember them saying that you'd get full devotion.

Maybe you get extra devotion on every shrine.

>>16296911

They added enough shrines to ultimate that you can get 55 without having to go back to elite/normal

I remember trying this game a while back but I could never figure out the constellation system, do I just look up a guide?

>>16297009

>do I just look up a guide?

Only if you struggle and get rekt, it looks a bit overwhelming but is fairly straight forward.

Also there's basically unlimited respecs so don't worry about fucking up.

Pretty much use the constellation to supplement your build, get nodes that improve your damage types and get defensive ones if you feel squishy.

If you make a character and know roughly what kind of stuff you want, post again and I could give some more concrete suggestions

>>16296833

Pirating it now but it's gonna take 5 hours. now I can't decide whether to eat and sleep or fap, eat and then sleep

first world problems

its already out? I didn't know it even had a release date.

Running occultist/oathkeeper It's pretty easy sailing. Absurd durability with Blood and other defensive cooldowns, damage is.. passable not fantastic. It's AoE options are pretty rough is the main issue.

>>16297210

>It's AoE options are pretty rough is the main issue.

The Aegis of Menhir (and the upgrade that makes it hit multiple targets) is decent aoe + CC. the passives Smite and Shatter Smash help too.

But I agree to some extent, getting some devotion aoe proc asap.

I imagine Eye of Reckoning will be the go-to AoE skill. Also as you ramp up Retaliation, you'll get some 'passive AoE' damage.

downloading, disappointed by lack of spears (favorite type of weapon), but I did notice it has shotguns. are they good enough to build a character on?

if not, i'll just play 2h halberds

>>16297310

Eh, shield throw is only 4 targets and has a pretty massive point investment to get any real return from it. Smite and shatter are way better in that respect.

Yeah, you need those devotions to deal with the pack sizes that FG has.

>>16297387

Yes you can build a 2 handed ranged character. 2 handed ranged weapons all play the same, 2 handed melee weapons all play the same too. Differences being attack speed, damage range and the like. at least until you grab the axe/sword/mace devotions

>>16297395

The shield does really good damage though and the Reprisal adds retaliation damage. I'll probably go Soldier for that Counterstrike and focusing a bit on retaliation and then picking up Blade Arc with Clean Sweep seems like a good way to increase my AoE. Zolhan's Technique will be another nice one.

>>16297415

Issue is that at minimum to fully max it out target wise is 11 points minimum to get it to hit 4 targets. And that's where it stops. Another 12 points to get enough retaliation damage to matter with the skill refresh.

It's good but it's a massive investment for a middling AoE because of the hard target cap. You'd be better off splashing something for better options. Even blitz is a better AoE skill

>>16297163

Also currently downloading. I already got the manual installer but for some reason that didn't work so I tried installing a second time and hit the play button which just started up GoG galaxy which started downloading 7.8 gigs of god knows what even though i installed the expansion twice.

I dont know what the fuck is going on.

>>16297431

well I got it working and I have to say I like what I see from the oathkeeper class so far, the aegis was pretty silly at first and it still kinda is but its pretty fun to use when it ricochets around.

Is oathkeeper/necro a good combo? Seems like it has some aura buff that could benefit the skeletons? Or oath/occultist, but not for the minions, for like debuffs and heals.

Kinda new to the game.

>>16297690

Oath necro would work, but it'd take some loving. Oathkeeper has more synergy for Occultist than necro due to damage type overlap.

Both would work though, occultist is far easier to do though and would require less gear/knowledge.

>>16296240

Planning to after Sekiro. Haven't played in quite some time and gave up on my Ultimate run like halfway in. Not sure if I should just pick up where I left off or start a new character.

So how do you advance quickly through the plot without spending 100 hours muckin' about? That's always something that kills my will to play the game.

>>16298273

Crucible leveling is faster and after leveling you can speedrun the game. But if you dont enjoy the game, why play it?

>>16298273

Ignore side quests that aren't on the way.

>>16298276

I can see its potential, it just seems like ages until it gets realized. The early game sure as shit ain't very exciting.

>>16298273

You could always use mods. I'm currently replaying the game with the Smash N Grab + higher monster spawn because I couldn't be arsed to grind again either. Though I am torn over if I want to play an Oathkeeper + Occultist or if I'm going to make another Inquisitor because I had a blast playing as that class my previous palythrough

Just wanted to drop a protip since there seem to be a few newer players around.

There's a dedicated 'pick up' key for looting which is a great QoL feature, just tweak the loot filter so only things you actually want to loot are shown.

Are there any recommended or required mods I should have? Or is it just get whatever the fuck you want?

>>16298803

Vanilla first time around obviously because there are no must-have mods, afterwards if you ever want to play around with char editing to test out builds easily you can use GD Stash, as for QoL mods Grim Internals are pretty cool with things like floating health bars above bosses, buff & debuff timers and other useful info.

The anon above mentioned the pick up key and it's a godsend that every diablo clone should come with - GI takes it a step further for hoarder autists by picking up all items except the ones you filtered so you don't even have to press any keys at that point. It can be turned off if that's your preference but nice to have around. There's probably a bunch of mods on their forums but that's mostly if you're bored with the base game

>>16298273

Blasting through the main quests to the higher difficulties is always the fastest way to level. Ultimate is where the quest xp starts to have an impact. And yeah starting off with an hour of crucible to unlock extra devotion points makes the process way smoother. Complete 10 waves, take your 3 points and reset a few times

>>16299238

I found a few mods which added in some items and stuff, dunno what though. Cataclysm, grim legion and darkest dawn. I did try to find that Grim internals one but couldn't see it anywhere.

>>16299286

You can find the stickied thread in the utilities and resources section of the forums

I started playing this again yesterday, having not touched it since vanilla release. I picked the skellymancer + occultist, it seems quite fun. Cleared through warden with a friend playing inquisitor something. Neither of us were really interested in the new class…it looks rather boring.

Question for those who are more up to date on te current game: is rep grinding still a necessary thing? Last time I played maxing rep to do nemesis bosses was the big thing, and grinding rep is never my cup of tea.

>>16299411

Endgame farming is either done in the standalone arena DLC or in the new 'rogue light' dungeon called Shattered Realm, see OP pic or their site.

Rep is fairly easy to get passively by killing bosses and while the rewards can be nice (mainly the augments) I've never found myself hardcore grinding them.

Also buy the rep boosting writs for new characters if you can.

>>16299411

Yes, but it depends on the faction. It's pretty easy to max beast and cthonic rep by Ultimate, but it'll be a pain in the ass for the nemeses that actually matter.I'm sure someone will trade you some warrants to speed the process up though. Faction-wise, the new mandates make it easy to grind rep just through quests.

>>16297693

Both classes have great vitality RR, so it's just a matter of good gearing to make a decent build with them. Something shield-based to take advantage of all those WPS going through oathkeeper's auto-attack.

Despite enjoying tons of games like this, this is a tad bit boring. Is it just the beginning that's kinda dull or is it always dull?

I really want to enjoy seeing as it looks pretty neat but I feel like it's not that great. Also feel like normal difficulty is a waste of time, gonna ramp that shit up.

>game being open slows my computer down to where I can count the characters being typed in but my computer shit is all fine everywhere else

odd

>>16299583

No reason to not play veteran, level faster, more drops, less braindead. Elite and Ultimate ramp things up even further.

Starting with a lvl 1 character on Ultimate feels pretty good, but you'll have to reach that difficulty on a different character first.

The first expansion was really good so expecting the new one to be too, but levelling an Oathkeeper so haven't touched it yet.

How far are you, what class/combo?

>>16299615

Really early into the game and I'm an inquisitor arcanist. I Feel like I chose the two worst classes or something. They don't seem to cool to play as. Only level 10/11 too. Gonna switch to the higher difficulty so this isn't so piss easy.

>>16296302

sacred 2.

>>16299646

Nah they can be fun, although a tad on the squishy side. The game definitely suffers a bit early on with not switching up the environment for a while and also not being super challenging but getting through it shouldn't take too long.

As for builds your best option is for a caster focused one. Some notable skills you could build around:

<Arcanist

Pretty much all Arcanist skills are fairly good, not sure if they have fixed flash freeze but it used to be pretty bad as it didn't deal damage if resisted (like most bosses would).

>Panetti's Replicating Missile

Your bread and butter early game, gets decent aoe with a few upgrades. Deals mainly 'elemental' damage (fire, cold and lightning combined, ~33% of each) so fits in any caster build you make.

>Iskandra's Elemental Exchange

Not great value for caster build

>Callidor's Tempest

Can be used as a main skill but I like the sidegrade that gives it a CD but adds knockback and more damage.

>Trozan's Sky Shard

Never played around with it much personally (due to my build choices) but it's pretty good for cold/lightning based builds, which Inquisitor just so happens to synergize with.

>Albrecht's Aether Ray

Really fun skill and the best single target DPS choice for Arcanist, no AoE but can be added with devotion procs

>Devastation

Great AoE skill, goes well with AAR, but any deep Arcanist build should realistically get this since it's just very good overall.

>Mirror of Ereoctes & Maiven's Sphere

Great defensive skills

>Nullification

Some debuffs are nasty, good value point.

>Reckless Power & Star Pact

Get one of them depending on your build.

<Inquisitor

Again most skills are good and would only be perceived as bad if your build is not made with them in mind.

You wont really get much use out of the gun skills since neither of the two classes has a basic attack replacer it's best to stick to casting in my opinion.

>Rune of Haggard

Good for cold damage builds, really high potential damage.

>Rune of Kalastor

Not played with it much but looks good on paper for fire damage builds.

>Storm Box of Elgoloth

I've heard that its damage is not great but can be very effective at applying devotion procs

>Word of pain (and Death Sentence)

If you're doing an aether damage build the final upgrade is great for reducing aether resistance.

>Flames of Ignaffar

Can't really give an opinion, always thought its range to be annoyingly short and would rather use AAR. Worth trying though, don't think it's terrible.

>Aura of Censur

Reduces enemy elemental resistance, really good no matter your build.

>Word of Renewal & Inquisitor Seal

Okay defensive skills, something you lack so worth getting.

>Horn of Gandarr

It's okay, helps if you get fucked up by enemies swarming you.

I didn't really mention passives, they're all good except for the gun ones (as it's not great synergy with Arcanist).

>>16299846

Should I be using a specific type of weapon as well? I'm currently duel wielding pistols and getting some pretty decent damage.

is there a respec in this game? usually I fuck it up in the beginning and need one

>>16299885

Anything with appropriate elemental damage depending on what skills you build around.

Later on you'll find yourself looking more at Dagger, Scepters and magic foci offhands as these tend to be more itemized around elemental damage and often have skill bonuses for spells.

You can respec everything, fairly cheaply at that. Attribute points though you'll have to use a quest reward potion for, of which you'll get a few per difficulty in the Ashes of Malmouth expansion.

Generally you'll want to dump nearly everything into physique, with Arcanist and Inquisitor masteries your spirit will be naturally high and the weakpoint is going to be health.

>>16299906

>>16299885

Oh and I'd even encourage to (ab)use the skill respeccing a bit. It's often not worth putting points into the mastery unless you can unlock a new skills, so maybe dump everything into an offensive spell then when you later maybe want to switch to a different one higher up in the master, shift other points into the mastery and immediately unlock the desired skill.

>>16299906

>Generally you'll want to dump nearly everything into physique

Whoops. I put everything into spirit and cunning.

I assume there's a bitch you talk to respec then? I'll look it up in a second.

>>16299885

Another tip, don't spread your points too thin early on. I understand that it can be tempting to try different skills but try to max your main damaging skill asap. Once you've done that look around and see which skills/passive might make for good value points with low investment.

I encourage you to try different ones for the purpose of seeing how they work and if you'd like to invest further into them, but splitting your points between 3-4 different damaging skills early on is silly.

>>16299961

>Whoops. I put everything into spirit and cunning.

That's perfectly fine if you're still sub 15 or whatever, but I'd recommend putting any further ones in physique.

She's in the upper right corner of the prison, the game should have given you a quest to introduce yourself to her.

>>16299969

>Guess I should focus on those magic arrow things then.

Yup would be my suggestion. Then when you have more points to play around with you can always remove those spent on PRM and experiment with other stuff.

>>16299992

A lot of people level with torzans and OFF due to the great CC on those abilities for most enemies. It's also slightly easier to gear for cold

>>16299992

I'll do that then. I'm actually finding this game a lot more enjoyable now it's harder too. Normal is just a joke

>>16299992

>>16299969

Callidro's Tempest + Wrath of Agrivix can be amazing 1 pointers early on for knocking back enemies, by the way.

>>16300002

Is OFF still struggling by being practically useless on enemies that resist it or have they changed it?

But I can definitely see Torzan being good, however you could still use PRM in combination with Torzan since cold damage boosts PRM in a decent fashion.

>>16300057

Basically you should not even have 2nd class before lvl 30.

>>16300084

I wonder how much of this expansion related to old plans for titan quest.

>>16300014

OFF is just there for the freeze on non-CC immune enemies, but yeah it's still useless on freeze immune shit. You could alternatively go Calidor's with the knockdown but you usually transition into that once more shit becomes freeze immune. But TSS spellbreaker is an absurdly powerful single target lategame build, and can get there with only minor hiccups just focusing. Though you do need to do the respec fuckery with devotions but almost every class does that now.

>>16300101

Yes

>>16300115

DW Gun purifier is absurdly strong if you go all in on the gun passives with some decent investment in Demo skills. Flame touched is free dps, Blast shield is good, and vindictive flame even helps.

>try out new mobility spell

>chose leap

>CD is 5 secs

lmao what

can someone please fucking tell me how to access the new content. i have like an hour to play, i've worked 80 hours this week, and i have another 40 in front of me and virtually no time in them. fuck man

>>16300739

Kill warden (probably finish/accept quests), green hole will appear in devils crossing near water tower guy.

>>16300739

nevermind. i am exhausted i figured it out. do not reply

Do you think they'll ever release a tenth vocation?

>>16302000

Pretty sure they said they wouldn't because it's a huge amount of work to balance new classes and that increases each time you add a new one. Maybe if they do another expansion although they also said that would be unlikely unless this one sold really well.

>>16302209

The X-Men Legends games are fucking awesome and are designed for controller play.

>>16296302

Diablo 3 isn't grim dank. If you want something brighter. But it's crap.

>>16297009

they added a search feature to the constellations so you can look for options relevant to your build.

>>16297387

The lack of spears in games generally, irks me. Historically spears were the most common weapons among all civilizations.

>>16300450

yeah, wish i could spam it. Problem with most games these days, instead of allowing you to manage resources they just put cool downs on everything.

>>16302000

I read somewhere that this was the last expansion as they are working on another project.

>>16302216

Thanks for the recommendation but sadly I'm allergic to capeshit.

>>16302239

>When it comes out.

IF it comes out. The game has been in alpha for three years now and based on that alone the beta will probably drag on for another three at the rate they work.

Hopefully my potato can run this thing. Gonna pirate it and see.

I heard the base game was shit so didnt bother, is the expansion any better

>>16302539

>heard

The base game is good, the expansions make it better. If you don't have an inherent dislike for the genre you'll probably enjoy it.

>>16302209

Xpadder and antimicro works just fine.

Months since I've last ventured forth in this game, so how's the Oathkeeper so far? been itching to play "Holy Knight in Shining Armor with a Big Shield".

>>16303188

>speedrunning

DIAL 8

>>16303279

Looking fucking sweet, I'll have to bumrush Sekiro then head on back and kick ass with a Big Shield.

I normally don't play ARPGs, but Grim Dawn really activates my nostalgia for Balder's Gate: Dark Alliance. I really love the Demolitionist class. Fighting away magical foes with shotguns and explosives is awesome.

Alright, I just played for a few minutes since I need to get some sleep, but this is quite fun so far.

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>>16303978

Oh, before I forget, if you download the torrent, the saves are stored in C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming\Steam\, not the usual Documents location. Turn cloud saving off when you first load the game, then restart the game.

>>16303988

If it's codex then it's that plus \codex\219990 as well.

>>16303750

If you can make it, purified salt component can give you and your pets a decent chunk of aether resist.

>need to git gud skills

>in order to do that I need to sink a billion points into either one of my two mastery classes

>that will take around 4 levels not including the actual skills themselves

I forgot how annoying these games can be with levels. devotion points are annoying too, I wish there was a better way to get them

>>16304972

>>in order to do that I need to sink a billion points into either one of my two mastery classes

I don't get why they did that. The retarded skill point system was one of the biggest complaints people had with Titan Quest yet they still included it.

>>16304972

>4 levels

That takes no time at all.

>>16305025

More time to waste I guess, I would've preferred if there were less skill levels but you had to max it out first.

>>16305027

Yeah, I'm only on the first veteran difficulty though. It'd take an hour or two at least.

>>16305064

>It'd take an hour or two at least.

For four levels? I seriously do not remember it taking that long to get started. Been awhile though.

>>16305067

He probably means later in the game.

>>16305067

I'm currently level 24, trying to get some actual skills as I'm currently just using my guns which are powerful but I need some cc and my ice rune thing isn't fast enough.

>>16305103

What's your secondary mastery? If you're the Mage Hunter anon (arcanist + inquisitor) you can get Flash Freeze for a total of 6 skill points or Callidro's Tempest + Wrath of Agrivix for a total of 12, assuming 0 points in the arcanist mastery.

The former is probably better if you want to keep enemies in place for your ice rune to activate.

Inquisitor doesn't have any reliable CC early in the tree.

>>16304972

>devotion points are annoying too, I wish there was a better way to get them

Also you can do some crucible runs and trade in the tributes for devotion points.

>>16305306

I had been doing that actually. Pretty fun too.

>>16305303

That is me but I may have used a save editor to go change myself to an inquistor demolitionist. I think I know what spells and shit I need I just need loads of points really.

>>16305498

>>16305329

Oh and if you wish to play a caster, your best bet is to focus on fire. Not sure which Demolitionist skills are best for that playstyle but Blackwater Cocktail is decent I think and from Inquisitor, Rune of Kalastor is good.

>>16302239

>grimdawn has 1/10 of effects/particles of poe/wolcen

Thank god. But they should have more monsters to fight. Packs are criminally small at the start of the game. I dont think engine would fail to render them at 60 fps even if they quadruple pack size.

>>16306333

I really like the game's visuals but at times I think that they spent to much time working on clutter. There are so many smalls models and details that you can't even see unless you zoom in really far.

>>16306352

But what can you do, unless they change game to have over the shoulder camera. Honestly a lot of things they do is incredibly inefficient but hey, at least they do their job properly. Wasted effort is better than no effort. Personally I think "obsidian" stuff looks perfectly in game and character armor, but rest is lacking a bit.

>>16306333

Based on having just started playing it last night, the beginning is absurdly easy. It's fun, but as of yet I've had no challenge, although maybe that's because I'm going necromancer/demolitionist. Will try a melee mastery next to see how it compares.

There are plenty of mobs in lots of the packs at the start, but they're all criminally weak.

I'm only on veteran difficulty though, so it'll probably be more satisfying when Elite is unlocked.

>>16306439

Consider this, I started a level 1 character on ultimate and it took ~30s to kill one zombie and I used a potion.

>>16306513

Damn, alright then I suppose the higher difficulties have a huge increase then. Look forward to it.

>>16306513

That doesn't really sound very fun.

>>16306571

The end of Elite/ beginning of Ultimate is when you realise if your build/gear is actually decent or shit. IMO veteran is sometimes harder for certain class combos than elite as a whole.

>>16306645

Keep in mind that was the very first zombie at level one. No skills, no gear, no devotions. After I killed another so I leveled, having an actual skill to attack with made it go much faster.

Additionally, you can't do ultimate from level 1 until you've reached ultimate naturally on another character. The quest exp in ultimate is insane at low levels. Turning in the first quest jumped me from level 6 to 20. I recently finished killing cronley and am level 56. So it's mostly for people to powerlevel new characters very quickly.

>>16297091

Problems are problems, anon. Avoid making the mistake of being jealous of yourself.

>>16305498

>I'd suggest focusing on levelling up firestrike and getting the explosive strike upgrade to make it aoe.

That was actually the first thing I did. Leveled all the gun things I possibly could to the max I think.

>>16305527

the cocktail doesn't seem to good from what I've seen so far but maybe I didn't level it enough.

>>16306333

>images of the inquistor and demolistionist have those cool magic circles around their guns

>not actually a thing in game

It would've been awkward to make but it would've been cool, my main issue with magic guns are that they're just guns with spells loaded onto them. Flashy isn't everything but it would look a lot cooler t.diablo 3

>>16306439

The beginning is hilariously easy and doesn't really get harder but you will find yourself swarmed and nearly dying often later on. Up until act 2 I found myself killing everything in one or two hits.

>>16306948

I have no idea what you mean but I agree

Canister Bomb or Blackwater Cocktail?

>>16307238

Canister bombs

How good is occultist still? I stopped playing before the first dlc released. My build was an all acid and poison damage one with the relevant constellation. Did they nerf that in some way?

Help a brainlet out, would a necro/oathkeeper combo work for a pure melee build? I've played a caster during vanilla and a ranged character in AoM, so I'd like to give melee a run this time around.

Seeing as there's no QTDDTOT thread is diablo 2 worth playing still? I assume so, but I've never actually played any of the diablo games.

also am I retarded or is there seriously no QTDDTOT thread, I thought there would be on but apparently not.

>>16307357

yes

I'd actually start with Diablo 1 though, the tone and style really hasn't ever been matched

>>16302817

>the expansions make it better

Malmouth was good up until you enter the city

Forgotten Gods is top tier meh

base game is great though

>>16307302

Can't say that I've played an Occultist focusing on acid and poison (rather than minions) but I don't believe they have been nerfed, the Oathkeeper mastery adds a lot synergy with poison and acid if you don't mind a more melee oriented playstyle.

>>16307324

It's not that crazy, Oathkeeper has some sidegrades to major abilities that turn them into vitality and acid/poison damage.

The main 'Righteous Fervor' has one and their 'Summon Guardian' (which is great) as well, one of the exclusive skills 'Path of the Three' turns 15% of both fire and physical into poison damage, adds bonus to poison and vitality damage amongst other things.

There are also items and probably some legendary sets that can turn more fire and physical into vitality.

The main things from Necromancer I could see having good synergy would be 'Spectral Binding' + 'Spectral Wrath', 'Necrotic Edge', 'Reaping Strike', 'Mark of Torment' and 'Harbinger of Souls'.

One issue with this combo is that Necromancer doesn't get very much advantage from the poison/acid aspect (except Harbinger of Souls which boosts its damage) but that's fine.

Another thing to note is that it's not ideal for the spin2win Eye of Reckoning since it deals physical, fire and lightning and the only way to convert its damage is through other skills like Path of the Three, but that's only 15%.

Play around with the calculator to spot synergies and stuff https://www.grimtools.com/calc/

>>16307478

I'd rather judge it as a whole, the new masteries, items, devotions etc. from both expansions significantly improved the game overall.

>>16307484

>the new masteries, items, devotions etc. from both expansions significantly improved the game overall.

I can agree with that

>>16307302

As far as I know nothing was nerfed.

>>16307324

Basically everything can work as long as you pick right damage types. Or if you use defensive stuff. So everything always work, but some stuff works better.

>>16307470

I see, I'll get that downloaded soon enough but I just loaded up diablo 2 and fuck me is the game dark. I don't mind the graphics, even though they look like ass they're pretty nice. But this darkness is intense.

>>16307508

GRIM dawn.

>>16307553

I'm talking about diablo 2 anon

Well shit, my PC died and it runs like shit on my laptop. I guess ill play trough Torchlight instead.

>>16308283

wanted to reply

>>16308170

Anyone gotten far into the shattered realm yet? How is it compared to crucible?

>get some gear

>it's shit

>some more gear

>it's shit

Why the fuck do I get nothing but shit gear? This is fucking beyond autism at this point, all the guns I pick up do -300 to -500 damage than my current guns. Armor is always level 10 rather than 20-30. I'm in a fucking level 25-30 area why do I keep getting so many low level drops?

>>16308350

I've found that gear tends to be in a -10 +10 range if you're killing mobs close to your level.

Higher difficulty increases rarity (found so many legendary items on my Ultimate playthrough from level 1), but not sure if it also affects level of items.

Also attack speed is a top tier stat and will generally mean massive dps boost compared to weapons without, chances are you found a nice roll with attack speed and other things like flat damage or high % piercing.

If you hold ctrl when comparing, the dps shown will be without calculating attached components and augments which can help.

>>16308350

95% of gear you find will be shit. That is just how the game is.

>>16308473

I wouldn't stress too much over gear at those levels. Make sure to pop in useful components and augments that's what will carry you through 1-50. All I ever focused on at those levels is making sure I stacked enough of the damage type I'm using and components fill in the missing resists most of the time. Craft a relic too, you're missing out on a lot of dps from that. If its windows there should be some options in the control panel but anon how did it lead to this in the first place what have you been doing

>>16308549

I dont know what a relic is

>If its windows there should be some options in the control panel but anon how did it lead to this in the first place what have you been doing

wat

>>16300084

Wait, it has Ancient Egypt locations?

>>16308587

More like Babylonian+Egypt.

>>16308604

Ye, I knew that but I had no where to get them. They haven't dropped once for me so I thought they'd be something magical you get near end game or something. I just found something for them but I need tainted brain matter, I fucking sold those because I thought they were worthless

>>16308473

>level 10 but with 155 armor and then there's me with my level 25 leggings with 155 armor as well

Gear actually has subcategories which changes attribute requirement, armor value and what stats they tend to roll.

Pants only come in two categories, 'Heavy Pants' and just plain 'Pants'. The former has a higher physique requirement but grants higher armor value.

Chest armor for example comes in three, plain, heavy and 'Caster Chest', where these have the lowest physique requirement but also the lowest armor value and adds a spirit requirement on top of the physique one.

Compare some equal lvl items by yourself if you want.

https://www.grimtools.com/db/category/chest/items

>>16308635

You're gonna want to dedicate a shared stash slot for all of your crafting materials, components and potions. Iron bits are valuable for late game crafting but you don't wanna sell off anything besides junk gear. Judging by your earlier pics I would always put an armor component in the belt slot since that increases armor globally rather than into a single body slot and then chest/legs/shoulders/hat apply resist components. Weapon is pretty obvious - searing ember, flintcore bolts or whatever else that helps with fire damage. Hand components have cast/attack speed and lifesteal so look out for those later. You'll notice how those sockets will pretty much carry your ass through low level content since 99% of gear at that level sucks.

>spoiler images keeps getting checked back

someone please make it stop

>>16308679

Ah Bolvar. Just max Pierce and Chaos resists while dodging his charged AoE attack.

>>16308647

I see, is this normal for games like this? I played a bunch but not for a long time. I remember most things basically just being level = big

>>16308671

I went and put components on all my shit, weapons had a searing ember + devil ammo or some shit, armor had + 15 armor and my accesories and +cunning/physique and spirit.

>>16308679

>spoiler

Because there's a lot of attacks maybe? I'm not too sure but if it lagged up TL2 then it'd probably do the same here. But it'd fix itself if it just deleted every 100 attacks though so probably just not there because they didn't think about it.

>>16308707

>I see, is this normal for games like this? I played a bunch but not for a long time. I remember most things basically just being level = big

Really depends, but I remember Diablo having a bunch of armor with strength requirements that had higher values.

But generally in looters like these, better rolls > higher lvl. But higher lvl = higher rolls, doesn't mean that it will have the right rolls though.

>>16308707

>Because there's a lot of attacks maybe? I'm not too sure but if it lagged up TL2 then it'd probably do the same here. But it'd fix itself if it just deleted every 100 attacks though so probably just not there because they didn't think about it.

It was the act of logging itself shitting up the frames, no difference if I let it log 10 minutes worth of fights or the very first encounter after starting the game.

I'd be happy with just a death recap where it showed damage done and taken the last 5-10 seconds.

>>16308702

Yeah figured he was dealing chaos, my resist is somewhat lacking. But even his basic attacks are disgusting.

Gearing up from lvl 1 with -50% all res is a pain.

>>16308799

Completion bonus is randomized from a pool, depending on which smith you chose it's either more likely to be physical or magic bonuses. The other stats on relics tend to be standardized and not vary but on other crafted gear you'll see some variations on each stat (though not on the skills they potentially grant).

>>16308859

>logging

yeah I wouldn't mind it either, it would be nice to see a small recap of the enemy killing you so you could see their attacks a bit better.

The smith though, he's a dick. I put way too much scrap on that fucking lottery ticket of a bitch. Every single thing he's given me (other than relics) has been absolute trash. So either the game hates or rng is just being rng.

>>16308875

Just reset the boss spawns and farm them like in the Smugglers basin if you're that loot hungry

>>16308912

you can choose a rarity? what the fuck, I feel like the game tells you this but I choose to ignore that shit either way I wanted a rune not an item, but I did just use up a shit of scrap to see if I'd get lucky and get a special item.

I did not.

>>16308889

I'm doing that right now actually.

>>16308928

>you can choose a rarity? what the fuck

Been a long time since I started playing the game (recipes transfer over) but it might be that you only start with magic items available for crafting and need to find recipes even for the rare ones.

>>16308963

I think that is the case. I can only see yellow items and only a few blue ones so I'll refrain from wasting my money and scrap.

>level up aoe skill and aura skills

>put some shit on my gear

>get a rune

>I feel at least 100 times more powerful

This is exactly what I needed thanks anons

>started playing two days ago

>only level 21

>necro/demo

>my skeletons are permanently on fire and burn shit alive

This game is awesome.

>>16303978

Can you play this on LAN?

>>16308986

The aura's are fucking great, I have a similar thing except it's on me plus it gives me extra heals and damage.

>>16309001

You can.

Question: when you bind 'Shepherd's Call' to an on-hit modifier, does it act in addition to the modifier you bind it to, or does it replace it entirely?

>>16309038

Devotions only have a chance to activate when the skill its tied to does.

>25% passive skill

<Skill activates on average every 4th hit

>Tie a 25% devotion to it

>Needs to first activate passive skill, takes 4 hits

>When the passive skill activates, there's a 25% chance the devotion procs

<Devotion activates on average every 16th hit

On the upside, if the passive skill is has an AoE, it rolls the dice for every enemy struck.

Same goes for things like 'chance on block' or 'chance on getting hit'.

If you tie them to a permanent aura they'll always be able to activate, but tying them to a passive that only activates under certain conditions (such as X% HP) the devotions will only be able to proc while you're affected by the skill its tied to.

>>16309068

Thanks, anon.

>>16296240

Already bought the expansion, but right now im playing something else

>>16309189

I really want to finish Sekiro and try Risk of Rain 2, fuck all these games releasing within a week of each other.

Any tips on acquiring relic recipes and/or a big pile of dynamite? I practically never see the latter despite there being a lot of things that use it, and I'm missing a few basic recipes to build the relics I need for some of my transcendents.

>>16310976

You can craft dynamite. There's also usually dynamite in the mine near the old arkovia rift and another one on the way to cronley's hideout and one in the hideout itself. Recipes can commonly be found at the end of roguelike dungeons, from nemesis chests, and treasure troves.

>>16311030

>roguelike dungeons

Are there actual dungeons I'm missing out on are these usually the boss rush areas?

>>16311100

He might mean the 'Shattered Realm' which was added in the expansion and referred to as such by the devs.

There are also some areas which need a skeleton key to unlock which offer good rewards but are rather tough and if you die, you're locked out and have to reset the session, can't use portals inside them either.

>>16311100

>>16311108

Roguelike dungeons are the skeleton key dungeons. Shattered realms is just shattered realms.

>>16311108

Sounds interesting, I'll look up this shattered realm.

>>16311100

>Are there actual dungeons I'm missing

There are a couple ironman dungeons, not actually roguelike dungeons. Steps of torment and Bastion of chaos. And I think there were one more, but I am not sure. Also you can try crucible, but I feel like shattered realm has better rewards after 1st completion of RL dungeon.

>>16311123

> Steps of torment

I've read a bunch of shit about that in lore books but haven't actually gotten there yet. I still need to get homestead so I doubt I'm that far in yet.

>>16311136

It's in the broken lands to the south, there is a quest line that starts in twin falls that leads to it eventually.

>>16311123

It's still worth it to do roguelike dungeons after the quest completion. The final chest has a 100% chance to drop a recipe, although whether you know that recipe or not is a different matter. Also MI legendaries from the bosses of each one. Droprates in general are higher in roguelike dungeons as well compared to everywhere else.

On related note, I have 230h in game and I barely can craft any leveling items (except relics) at all. So hunting recopies is not that great anyway. They might have rebalanced that shit, but who knows how that work now.

>>16311157

I got there and beat the boss so I assume the quest gives you the skeleton key to get into that big door.

>>16311230

When you kill the boss guarding the entrance to the Steps of Torment, you'll be given a Skeleton Key and the recipe to craft more by a ghost NPC right in the boss room.

>>16311250

Really? I must have missed him somehow. Odd. I'll have to go check again a bit later. need to farm for brains and devil touched ammo again

>>16311123

>Steps of torment and Bastion of chaos

Here is a 2 more - one in Ugdenbog and another one is Aetherial Key Dungeon in Valbury (hardest one).

>>16311328

>Here is a 2 more - one in Ugdenbog and another one is Aetherial Key Dungeon in Valbury (hardest one).

>Aetherial

Fuck that stupid green ground shit. I seen dev stream and they also hate it. No one likes it.

>>16311618

With new movement augments its pretty easy to dodge. Is only reason i die in Aether Bog then i got a Stun in to my face from a Aether Hulk charging at me.

>>16311903

Not to mention the odd chaos conversion, a damage source neither Soldier nor Oathkeeper has access to through their mastery.

>>16311903

>>16311916

it goes well with other combo classes. or at least benefit more.

>>16311903

>4k damage

>knockdown

This looks like it's for some weird Hybrid class like Arcanist+Oathkeeper or something.

>>16311992

>>16311973

That's what I was thinking, but maybe they set it up like this so you can be either Soldier or Oathkeeper + a caster like Arcanist or Occultist.

But it's still odd, Soldier seems weak as a secondary mastery if you want to focus on spells rather than melee or ranged. Oathkeeper makes a bit more sense but its damage types of primarily fire and physical doesn't have any meaningful overlap with masteries that are capable of dealing chaos damage.

>>16312046

Just because it says "caster off-hand" on the item card doesn't mean that you have to go caster if you wear one.

One of the major Eye of Reckoning sets has a caster off-hand.

Fuck, just as I wanted to fix my build, Grimtools goes offline.

>>16312072

Yeah but both masteries have a ton of shield synergy and doing a melee build with a useless off-hand (as opposed to DW, shield or 2H) is the worst option available.

The only ranged option would be guns/crossbow and again, using a caster-offhand seems very suboptimal since you're missing out on massive damage by wielding just 1 weapon and miss out on the defensive perks of a shield.

Caster off-hands are good for casters because they don't care about weapon damage, instead they simply sacrifice a bit of defence which tends to be fine since they use ranged spells.

So in conclusion, caster off-hands are pretty shit if you rely on weapon damage as your main source of murder.

>One of the major Eye of Reckoning sets has a caster off-hand.

Doesn't sound very appealing, seems like going for a 2H build is optimal for squeezing out more damage from that skill.

>>16311618

>Fuck that stupid green ground shit. I seen dev stream and they also hate it. No one likes it.

You're gonna love Bonebleach Basin then

>I only need two lots of devil ammo, won't be that hard

>been playing all day and only got one

What the fuck

>>16312901

I'm pretty sure you can convert other crafting items into devil ammo at a blacksmith. I've used him to transmute all sorts of components instead of grinding them.

>>16312961

Anon, I've been at this all day. IF i can do it that easily I might end up killing myself.

>>16313041

Never noticed the Tinker's belt had that heal when X hp effect. Gonna craft one.

>>16313085

Yeah it is a bit limiting, wonder if there are some legendary items that change them (or all physical) into fire.

>>16313085

honored devil's crossing has a ring augment with 15% poison/acid resist. There's also antivenom salves.

>>16313117

Well it's not technically a heal, but the increased regeneration is very useful and the damage lets you leech more life.

>>16313135

Thanks for the tip.

>>16313538

I'm working on an aura damage build with tactician(soldier/inquisitor) but that looks intriguing too.

>>16313615

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/M2gRXOWN

This is the base planning for it, i changed it a bit, like the glove component from bleeding into spellscourched plating

I have yet to test is on the crucible, just started working on my spin-to-win-paladin, still gotta finish leveling him i leveled up a pure inquisitor up to 84 before the expansion to make a pally

>>16313665

i might have it, lemme just finish some shit here

>>16313665

I have 2 of them

Open a room brah

>>16313819

Game name 'wew' password 1122

>>16313825

can't find the room

>>16313825

i opened a room "alkamos" pass "nignog"

>>16313877

ah oops, remaking

>>16313656

I'm doing something similar to your build but still levelling it, modified your build a bit and wanted to hear your opinion.

I think these changes should result in a big damage boost whilst sacrificing very little defence.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/Q2zOmW4V

Crushing Verdict might not be necessary, it depends on how high your OA is. Reducing enemy DA = increasing your own OA right? Seems like the most efficient skill for this purpose

>>16314850

The torrent linked to here is a Codex release of the Steam version: >>16303978

No idea if any groups have released the GOG version, but they do sell it on GOG in addition to standalone and steam.

Over 50% off for base game and two DLCs at GoG. I'd totally buy it if I wasn't already busy with other games.

>Crucible

>They charged money for monster wave mode

Seems a bit kike-ish

>>16315155

It was a kikestarter goal and was included if you bought the game before its release. But I agree that it's prime material for free DLC.

But it's not that expensive, the game is good enough and also self-published so I don't mind throwing a few extra shekels their way.

>>16315270

>But at least they dont sell stash tabs while pretending that game is totally free.

I wish they'd double the shared stash and possibly add a keyword search function. I'm a bit paranoid about using that grimstash mod or whatever it's called, don't want it to eat my items without noticing.

>>16315302

> I'm a bit paranoid about using that grimstash mod or whatever it's called, don't want it to eat my items without noticing.

You can always make a backup. Its fine, but I am not sure if its already updated.

>Quality free game charges completley optional extra tab space

>This is bad

?????????????????

You can buy like two tabs for the price of the survival mode DLC

>>16315334

>PoE

>quality

O boy I am laffin.

>>16315334

The issue is their price and the necessity of a currency tab (or 2-3 tabs will become used for currency) and at least twice the amount of tabs that the game provides you with if you want to craft and/or trade with players.

To buy the package of 6 premium ones you pay 20$ worth of funbux or 180 if you buy individual regular ones (though you still need to buy 20$ worth) and a currency one costs 75 which is ~7.5$, that's more than the Crucible DLC.

Sure they go on sale sometimes but the pure kikery of this is ridiculous.

Add 5$ to your purchase of premium stash tabs and you can buy the base game of Grim Dawn instead.

>>16315316

Well I can back it up before I start using it but I can't shake the paranoia of losing the items I acquire after that. Might still consider using it as my thirst for hoarding can't be quenched.

So to the anons playing Oathkeeper, what mastery did you pair it with? been busy as shit, but I'd like your takes on it before leveling a fresh one next friday.

>>16315422

Depends on what you want to do with it. If you wish to focus on shields and/or retaliation Soldier is probably your best option.

If you want to build around the Eye of Reckoning (spin2win) I think a 2H is your best option and since it lacks modifiers to change damage types I figure Inquisitor is your best choice since it has synergy with both fire and lightning damage, two major components of the skill.

>Vitality damage

Either Shaman or Necromancer seem solid, the former for 2H the latter for either 2H or shield.

>Poison & Acid damage

Occultist should work well, also doesn't matter if you want to use 2H or shield. But they have some minor retaliation synergy so shield might be superior.

>Fire damage

Both Inquisitor and Demolitionist look like good fits, I'd probably argue that Inquisitor has better skills.

>>16315452

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind and test stuff for each, got free time by friday, so gonna try and savescum(If it still works) to test each pairings.

>>16315380

Why does the DiU anime look so shitty?

>>16315468

Oh and Oathkeeper + Inquisitor seems like it could make for an interesting gun build, there are even a bunch of new shields with range exclusive synergy.

Using that alongside Shield of Menhir for CC and cooldown reset sounds like fun. Will try that when I get tired of my Soldier combo. Bonus is that is that you can also go for spin2win with that combo if ranged doesn't end up working out.

>>16315493

>Oh and Oathkeeper + Inquisitor seems like it could make for an interesting gun build, there are even a bunch of new shields with range exclusive synergy.

>Using that alongside Shield of Menhir for CC and cooldown reset sounds like fun. Will try that when I get tired of my Soldier combo. Bonus is that is that you can also go for spin2win with that combo if ranged doesn't end up working out.

Awesome, this will fill out my niche of being a "Holy Gunner"

>>16316184

>1.5 dps

>only -342 dmg

I say it's acceptable to sacrifice dps for this. Also, you can craft a component and apply an augment that would increase your dps back to previous level, if not increasing it further

>>16315155

It's more kike-ish than that. That was a kickstarter goal intended to be included with the game but was cut out to sell for extra money. I had given them some money during the kickstarter but when they did that decided I'd pirate all the future DLC.

>>16315074

Yeah, I already have the gog version downloaded minus this expac and was hoping to just grab the expac, but I'll download just redownload it all.

>>16316428

>It's more kike-ish than that. That was a kickstarter goal intended to be included with the game but was cut out to sell for extra money. I had given them some money during the kickstarter but when they did that decided I'd pirate all the future DLC.

<'The DLC was made available for free to those who purchased the game prior to or during the Kickstarter campaign.'

I think the ~6.50€ price point is a bit much considering tits content (especially when compared to what the actual expansions cost and how much they add) but I don't feel like any extraordinary kikery took place.

>>16316145

>I'd love to see your power *Wink*

ERP dialogue choices DLC when?

>flames of ignaffar more like flames of SHITNAR

>levels it up to the max just to double check

>7.5k dps

>fire strike does 6175 dps

Oh. Maybe not then. this +500% fire damage is an absolute meme, gonna be great when I get the +100% burn damage devotion

>>16316493

>If we reach this kickstarter goal we will include X in game

>game comes out and X is not in the game but costs extra money instead

Doesn't matter if it was given for free to people who kickstarted, it as clear of an example of cut content DLC you can get.

>>16316721

>Irregardless supporting kikestarters is always dumb

Yeah, I learned that too. at least this one turned out acceptable enough. The others not so much

>>16316729

That could be read as emphasizing it will be free, though I see how it could be implied it wont be free for anyone else. Regardless, the entire kickstarter was for Grim Dawn so the money they earned should have all gone into the base game, not the base game + some paid DLC even if people who funded got it for free.

>>16316875

Occultist+oathkeeper if you want to be a walking tank spraying acid and poison. I played a occultist +soldier a bit before the expansion but oathkeeper is probably better. Its even got talents that mention dreeg specifically.

I've been looking forward to this for ages, so I immediately made a new character and got to the new area as soon as I could.

I'm about level 25 now, and I'm still full Oathkeeper. I'm not sure what class to try and pair it with. I've just been throwing my shield around so far. I thought about going Soldier, but that seems too obvious. How does it pair with Shaman?

>>16316873

It literally says it would be free for backers and even defines what a backer is for you and then says the dlc will be delayed for after launch. It in fact came out 5 months after the game released so I don't think it really stole any money from development of the base game.

>>16316929

Probably not all that well since its melee skills are mostly focused on 2 handers. The savagery skill could work but Oathkeeper already has a similar skill as well. That just leaves the healing skills and the summons so if you like having to manage a team then you could go for that. Otherwise, you're better off going with Soldier, Demolitionist, Occultist or Necromancer.

>suffer through the steps of torment

>get to the skeleton door again

>assume that boss in front of it would drop a key

>he did not

Ok, I'll just come here later then. again fuck that quest for now I guess.

>>16317012

Hasn't he given you a Skeleton Key blueprint?

>>16317013

No, the quest giver is supposed to be outside the entrance to the steps of torment too. So who the fuck knows what I'm doing wrong.

>>16317021

The thing is you're supposed to craft replacement skeleton keys. I'm fairly sure the questgiver gave you both a skeleton key and a skeleton key blueprint when you turned in the quest. I presume you used the blueprint rather than pawn it off. If you did use the blueprint you should be able to craft skeleton keys at any blacksmith. (You need Blood of Chthon to do it though).

anybody got a magnet for the game and the other dlc?

>>16316875

Were you looking for suggestions on Blademaster builds or other mastery combos entirely?

As for this build, I feel like you're spending a few too many points on skills with a bit of a diminishing return and skipping many that can be a huge asset with even 1 point.

>Skills

Pic is how I'd change Soldier (should be same amount of points unless I fucked up), I'd probably put ~4 more points in Menhir's Will and try to advance the Soldier master a bit and aim for Deadly Momentum as it will severely increase your dps.

As for Nightblade, maxing both Pneumatic Burst and Veil of Shadow this early seems like an overkill, if you feel like you don't need all that survivability consider lowering them and spend it towards increasing your offence, preferably work towards Deadly Momentum.

>Devotions

Eeh, some questionable choices in my opinion. Jackal especially seems like an odd pick.

Check out Assassin's Blade of offence and for further defence Tortoise. The real thing to consider later is how to get to the high cost devotions and what you'll need to unlock in order to get the affinity points required for them.

>Censoring character name

You know the game uses a lobby system and no one can contact you with that name. Or did you use your RL name like a true dork?

>>16317037

See >>16303978

Though haven't tried it myself.

>>16317034

You misunderstand anon, I never got the quest. I just went in and killed the nigger because he wasn't there. I don't have the energy to care now so I'm going to bed anyway, I'll figure it out tomorrow.

>>16317072

You have to do the quest in twin falls first to get the skeleton key quest. There's a necromancer and his ghost buddy a bit south of the entrance to the undercity there.

>>16317075

fucking forgot to do that one Guess I'll die. Would've been nice if the wiki told me though.

>>16317006

>>16316929

Could work okay if you're willing to focus on Eye of Reckoning, not only does it benefit the most from 2H weapons but it's also physical + fire + lightning, where shaman helps with physical and lightning and oathkeeper with physical + fire.

The Wind Devil would add -35% elemental resistance alongside the -35% physical, fire and bleeding from Guardians of Empyrion.

Mogdrogen's Pact would be solid survivability and Brute Force seems like a nice dps boost, though don't know if Eye of Reckoning can trigger those on hit passives.

>>16317108

Oh and Wendigo totem for more survivability.

Just saying it's not that crazy of a combo.

>>16317129

>He'd have to give up his shield skills in Oathkeeper however since there's no way you can use 2 handers and shields.

To me that's exactly how you'd want to build for Eye of Reckoning. It uses a % of your main hand weapon damage so a 2H is going to be superior over any other option.

But yeah if you don't want to use that skill, Shaman is a questionable choice

>>16317148

Shaman has good support of lightning damage and Stormcaller's Pact has huge crit bonuses so it can be a good mastery if you want to do lightning focused EoR.

>>16317179

Seems like a big investment when the only thing you'd want past Raging Tempest would be Oak Skin, Blood Pact and Storm Totem and even those are just okay at best.

>>16317051

>>16317053

Can you make a character that starts at a higher level with the expansions? Considering you can't change your class, I'd really want that to be an option. Or should I just use CE?

What can I say, I have a pretty cool name.

>>16317211

>>16317179

Honestly seems like Inquisitor would be the best option for 2H Eye of Reckoning (especially since I don't think the 2H shaman passive 'on hit' skills work with EoR.

>>16317213

No but you can start on the Ultimate difficulty if you're previously unlocked it, which increases your levelling speed quite a lot.

There's also the 'Grim Defiler' save editor if you want to change class.

>>16317213

Also if you want to try a different class combo, if you say what playstyle you think would be fun I could come with some suggestions. Blademaster is a good class but personally I got a bit bored with how few active skills you get and them not being very 'flashy'.

>>16317220

You could always do 3pc Warborn with the Avenger's Crusher for full physical EoR.

>>16317220

>No but you can start on the Ultimate difficulty if you're previously unlocked it, which increases your levelling speed quite a lot.

I've decided to start a Nightblade/Soldier like that. On one hand killing quest bosses takes centuries on the other hand quests give entire levels worth of exp.

Now I'm thinking Savagery would be better aa skill than Cadence… Is there a way to change second mastery after picking it and spending points in it?

>>16317296

>Is there a way to change second mastery after picking it and spending points in it?

No.

Cadence is a good skill but it's a very slow start and doesn't start to shine until a bit later. You could skip the dualwield skills from Nightblade for now and level with a 2H and Forcewave for a bit.

What Cadence has over Savagery is that Cadence affects multiple enemies which is really nice, also Shaman only has 2H weapon passives whilst Nightblade only has DW passives.

Shaman and Nightblade also don't have the best damage type overlaps as Shaman focuses on lightning and vitality whilst Nightblade is all about cold and poison.

Between Trickster and Blademaster I think the latter is better.

>>16317317

>>16317296

Also Blademaster (soldier + nightblade) might not be the fastest boss killer but it's still decent. Like I suggested the other anon Assassin's Blade and Tortoise are both great skills if you want to split your devotions between good offence and good defence.

>>16317320

When you enter the new expansion town in either Elite or Ultimate, one of the vendors sells tokens that can be traded and used on other characters to unlock the difficulty you bought it in.

When you do, the game will scale enemies to your level (i.e lvl 1 in Devil's Crossing if you're level 1) but massively increase their damage and health, apply the negative resistance to you (-25% in Elite, -50% in Ultimate) but also give you all the bags, skill points and attribute points from the previous difficulties optional quests. Around 5 attributes and 10 skill points on ultimate IIRC.

To get the token from level 1 without unlocking the devil crossings gate, enter the crucible and use that stash.

>>16317320

Oh and the point is increased challenge and the ability to max a character without repeating the story 3 times for players that have already experienced it multiple times.

Personally I loved starting on Ultimate at lvl 1.

>>16315048

Sub 2400 OA is horrible, I am struggling with mine, you don't want any lower than that

Lowering eveny DA does work, but seems like some bosses are immune, or they simply have too much DA

Divine Mantle is exclusive, can't use it with Menhir Bulwalk

Also the -35% physical def from Celestial Presence is not worth all the sacrifices you need to make, this is not a build that needs to kill fast, it just needs to not die.

If you want Judgement make sure you get more than 7 range for it, you gotta dump more points.

>>16317317

Trickster is among the best DW builds. Wind Devil is elemental RR, and Savagery interacts very well with the Nightblade WPS, which hit multiple enemies just as much as Cadence. You can stack around 120% cold RR with the right endgame gear, which melts through everything in seconds. It's glassier, but it also throws out insane damage.

>>16317366

Is Righteous Fervor actually worth it? I tried it out for a while and found it rather underwhelming.

also saw this dail mod thing, looked pretty neat but it hasn't been updated since 2017 or something. And the most recent expansion fucked up all the other mods too.

>>16317416

>So if I started a new game with one of these tokens and went to somewhere as a level 10 whatever they'd also be level 10 but super op?

Depending on the area, they'd be your level or somewhat higher, yes.

>my main issue with the game so far is that it's fucking easy

Never play on normal, always go for veteran if you don't have elite or ultimate available. But yeah even on veteran it doesn't ramp up until towards the end of the main campaign and you enter the first expansion.

>Is there more to the game than story though?

There are the skeleton key dungeons (multiple level maps, die once and you're forced to reset, no portals) with random map wide modifiers and the new Shattered Realm dungeons which is supposed to be even more randomized but I haven't played those yet.

Then there's the crucible for a bit more of a brainless farming style and setting high scores.

>>16317317

I've been thinking about getting Savagery+upgrade for extra AS so I can (try to) trigger more on-hit procs which are mostly AoE anyway. And then going full retard and pairing it with totem+Blood Pact for heals.

>>16317441

I started playing on veteran near the beginning as another anon basically said normal is worthless, which it is.

Skeleton key dungeons sound cool though, I'll have to give those a try soon.

>>16317475

>I started playing on veteran near the beginning as another anon basically said normal is worthless, which it is.

That was probably me, I have a dynamic IP

>Skeleton key dungeons sound cool though, I'll have to give those a try soon.

Yeah you'll unlock the first one after a short quest near the Twin Falls rift, after that you can craft the keys and will find 2(?) more in the main game and a fourth in the Malmouth expansion. The new expansion seems to skip them in favour of the new 'Shattered Realm'.

>>16317416

I started playing a few days ago, and I had the same feeling at first, namely that even though I was on 'veteran' it was ridiculously easy. It stops being quite so easy a little ways in. By around level 30 I had to actually micro carefully and kite shit around (necro/demo) or I'd die in half a second. A couple bosses are still easy, but some of them kicked my ass a few times before I killed them, like the ghost guy (forgot his name) that's part of the Order of Death's Vigil chain who does heavy AoE fire damage. My health went from 100-0 in about 0.5 seconds of standing in the fire, so if you didn't dodge it completely and didn't have a ton of physique it was gg.

Basically it does get harder later on even on veteran, although still not as hard as Elite most likely, although I haven't played that difficulty myself to confirm yet.

>>16317461

The fun thing with Grim Dawn is that pretty much any class combo is possible and plenty of gear makes odd combos viable. But personally I haven't tried Trickster and while both classes offer good melee capabilities, I don't see a huge synergy between them.

So yeah go for it, don't think it would be terrible but can't offer much advice either.

Buut, I'd probably focus on lightning damage, get Raging Tempest and Stormcaller's Pact then use Nightblade more as a support and for its DW passives (because you're going DW, right? Otherwise there's little point to Nightblade).

>>16317525

>Basically it does get harder later on even on veteran, although still not as hard as Elite most likely, although I haven't played that difficulty myself to confirm yet.

The difficulties do increase the.. difficulty in a satisfying way.

I was thinking of making a build all about bleeding enemies to death, I dont even know what classes has bleed effects.

Suggestions?

>>16317567

Blade arc soldier, bloody pox occultist, pretty much everything in shaman and nightblade which have abilities like phantasmal blades and savagery depending on what you prefer, ranged or melee. I'd say look through those 4 mastery trees first and see what playstyle you'd wanna go with. Not sure how well bloody pox is as a main damage skill though, excellent for debuffing/devotion proc at least. Easiest to work with would certainly be a trickster

>>16317421

>top level

>looks like he found his armor in a scrap heap

Hoboaesthetic.

>>16317567

Both shaman and occultist have bleed resist reduction so you should definitely pick one of those or both even.

>>16317650

I have actually been using bloody pox a lot on my main acid dude and its been fantastic, especially when you have these huge mobs all you have to do is cast bloody pox on one of them and it spreads faster than ebola. its more a secondary attack though, primary attack on my acid dude is still dreegs evil eye

>>16317567

It's some combo of witchblade or shaman with soldier or shaman/nightblade. Soldier has the highest bleed potential in the game; shaman for 500k bleed ticks or witchblade for tanking potential. Shaman/nightblade is very glass cannon but also high damage.

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/lNklO4D2

Here's the standard blade arc/savagery warder that you should build for. You can also do the same thing with Witchblade pretty easily.

>>16317650

Trickster is incredibly glassy, S/B witchblade can last forever.

>>16318355

>that mace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQA9UWacJsc

>>16316721

Yeah i think it would convert all piercing damage associated with that spell

>>16317567

Off the top of my head I'd go for occultist/shaman. Occultist has the bleed skill in bloody pox, which spreads between enemies, as well as some powerful resistance draining skills, and shaman has some excellent health increasing toggled skills, and even more bleeding skills like devouring swarm, grasping vines and wendigo totem, and I think one of the exclusive skills of the shaman also increases bleed duration and damage.

>>16318355

>no assassin's dagger

>no maxed spectral binding/overcapped spectral wrath

>no capped warcry and break morale

Resist reduction is the most important thing in a build, and as a physical build it's especially good because almost nothing has good phys resist. I'm also not sure what devotions you're going for, but Assassin's dagger is absolutely irreplaceable. It's 30% more damage for 5 devotion points, practically unbeatable. The way you're missing out on an easy opportunity to literally double your damage.

Focus on either cadence or transmuted forcewave and reallocate those spare points to max out Oleron's Rage for a free 12% OA. You're also getting minimal returns from counterstrike without a build centered around it. Skeletons are doing nothing without pet bonuses, and death knight isn't suited to hybrid pet builds. I don't recognize some of your gear, but https://www.grimtools.com/calc/L2Jb4bj2 is how I'd spec for a transmuted forcewave build, which is what your weapon's for. Also, pick a single damage type and stick with it, unless you're doing something with conversions (which you don't have ready access to at this level).

>>16318742

The best bleed skill in the game is transmuted blade arc, followed by your pick of cadence, ring of steel, or savagery. Except for vitality, there's no variant of bloody pox that shines as a main damage skill. It also can't take advantage of bleed damage on weapons or devotions. With bleed, you want one mastery with high-damage, high %WD bleed sources (shaman, soldier, or nightblade) and one with RR (shaman, occultist, or oathkeeper).

>>16317242

Then I think something with more skills would definitely be of my interest. Would prefer a ranged class but melee is fine too.

>>16318355

I'm not an expert of this game by any means, but I think you should remove the skellingtons. They're absolutely useless without pet boni.

>>16319162

>>16318355

This anon gave good advice >>16318763

I'd also recommend the Kraken devotion for 2H builds.

Personally I'm not a big fan of Forcewave since I think attack enhancers are fun (but it's not a bad skill) Also not sure how worth it is to go 12/12 in Spectral Binding just for some OA and health.

Don't know how strong Blood Boil would be for a physical build, maybe it does grant significant healing due to the bleed component but I don't know.

>>16319185

1100 health and 80 OA is nothing to sneeze at, especially when soldier supplements both of those nicely. DK isn't point-hungry anyway. Siphon souls is also great for proccing devotion and that OA debuff. Ideally, the endgame version of this build would have the belt that converts all vit to phys, so it'll deal a relevant damage type anyway.

Is there a trick to using runes as an Inquisitor? I appreciate the huge aoe but the time it takes to set them off makes them feel more like gimmicks. I can just as well blast everything with Firestrike at the moment.

>>16319212

As far as I remember you jsut cast them and everyone dies moments later. Do you cast them directly on enemies? They are basic DoT spells. (again as far as I remember)

>>16319235

They function as traps with a 2-3 second setup time.

>>16319250

>>16319212

Put them where enemies will stay put for at least a few seconds instead of just a path they will briefly cross.

For ranged enemies it's rather simple, for melee ones just drop it in front of you and throw Stun Jacks on top to make sure they stay put and don't attempt to surround you like they tend to do if part of a large pack.

Some items also have CC skills attached to them.

>>16317517

I also have a similar thing except I use a vpn so every time I disconnect I'm a new anon. it also helps to not have a +50 post count.

Is there a way to get the mods working for this game? They look great but literally none of them work anymore apparently.

>>16317525

I'm nearly level 50 and I'm still finding it pretty easy, might be because I have a shit ton of physique though.

I did some testing on my Warlord in relation to this build >>16313656 and my reply to it

>>16315048

First of all this is not really conclusive since I'm not level 100 and able to maximize the Soldier skills, I also did it against Training Dummies which don't take into account the retaliation damage suffered by enemies that hit you. So I clearly need to redo this in a proper combat environment when I'm lvl 100.

But for now my, the build with Divine Mandate and Celestial Presence made my Righteous Fury deal upwards to 11k damage from certain damage sources rather consistently while the one with Counter Strike and Menhir's Bulwark was barely able to break 6k. On the former I only used Crushing Verdict, on the latter I used Crushing Verdict in combination with Break Morale.

Now obviously CS deals damage when struck, and they both improve my retaliation though at the level I could put them at, only from 6.8k to 9.3k. This damage is taken into account for RF but the passive effect of enemies striking you is lost when fighting dummies.

Though another thing to keep in mind is that both Divine Mandate and Celestial Presence increase the retaliation damage taken by enemies through increasing your crit damage and reducing their physical defence.

Again, there's a bit of an unfair advantage for the Oathkeeper heavy build since I'm able to max out the skills, but even if I were to increase the relevant Soldier skills I sincerely don't believe it would come even close to the Oathkeeper damage.

>Oathkeeper heavy

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/0V0qb3rZ

>Soldier heavy

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/a2E53dJ2

>Untested final build (could squeeze more skill points into it with good lvl 94 gear)

https://www.grimtools.com/calc/xZyO8502

>>16319623

>Is there a way to get the mods working for this game? They look great but literally none of them work anymore apparently.

I've only played with some QoL mods but from what I've seen on the forum they all need to be updated to be compatible with the expansion.

So it depends on if the mod creators are still active or not. I know some have been updated.

>>16319632

That's annoying, I saw a mod that adds in tons of items and classes. Looked really cool seeing as I'm not really fond of many of the classes, from looks at least. I'm sure they're fine.

>>16319638

Classes became more interesting to me when I realized how many different builds you can create with weird synergies you didn't think of at first. There are also tons of items which enable odd builds.

>>16319654

Guess I'll have to delve into them then. I usually just go as ranged mage so maybe I'll be a swordsman or something. I found a mod compilation called Grimarllion, looks like it's compatible with forgotten gods so maybe I'll get something good out if it.

>>16313041

>>16313041

Say would you posting your build? Lvl70 oathkeeper and still undecided how to spec into soldier

>>16319855

This is also me >>16319632

I currently use the first one I called 'Oathkeeper heavy', you can also see the gear and devotions I use since I imported the character.

Still levelling and testing stuff so not claiming it's optimal or anything but has worked well so far. Main goal is to get Counter Strike from Soldier while picking up some extra defence and attack procs.

>>16319931

Yep.

>>16319931

Should be up again.

>get the grimallian mod installed and character switched

>this feels a bit harder and why do I have more health?

>walk into next area

>literally my entire screen is filled with enemies and I'm dropping a lot of frames

Running away from a horde has never been scarier when literally the entire screen is a big blob of green demons.

>>16319995

How shit is the mod?

>>16296240

>MMO

Is there an inhuman and/or monstrous race?

If no, then I don't give a shit anymore.

>>16320024

It's alright, haven't played enough to tell if it's really good or not but it's not as aids as parts of synergies was for torchlight 2.

the amount of enemies and how hard they were seriously made that feel like a chore

>>16320031

>Is there an inhuman and/or monstrous race?

There are women you can play as, pretty much the same thing.

also

>mmo

?????

>>16320031

It's an ARPG, you dumb dumb.

>>16320034

I see, I just assume that every ARPG (((complete overhaul))) is absolute garbage because they usually are.

>>16320041

Not a big surprise, I've tried so many overhauls and they completely ruin the game.

>>16320050

Yeah, it got to the point where the game was just tedious to play.

>attempt to move five steps

>10 elites and a literal god walk over to me

>your pet has fled

>>16320050

>>16320099

Torchlight 2 Essentials is all you need, changes enough to make the game enjoyable but doesn't change enough to fuck up the game.

>>16320050

Whatever happened to torchlight anyway? haven't heard shit from the studio since 2 came out. you think they would have made an expansion or two or something. Even diablo 3 got a new class.

>>16320239

League of Legends happened. It ended up killing both Runic Games and Torchlight.