0597bd No.16284044
There are a lot of talk about Epic vs Steam as a digital store. I was happy at start because Valve had made several mistakes recently with Steam such as the paid mods scandal and the removal of several H-games (for what i have read, i dont play those games myself expect if the gameplay is so good that the game would be good if it was not a H-game) But Epic store dont do anything better than Steam expect for having less shovelware. So i was thinking what a Steamkiller should have
>Only games that gets removed are assist flips and games that have a shitcoinminer in the game
>Better cuts to devs that will be split 50% to the costumer. So rather than 70/30 it will be 85/15 and all games will be 7,5% cheaper on said store compared to Steam
>All the features that Steam have such as mods, reviews, forums, cards, trading and so on should be in said store as well
>Linux support. Steam did an ok job for what i have read with supportin Linux but Epic store dont have any Linux support at all
Anything else i forgot?
ccfc8c No.16284052
66c591 No.16284055
>>16284044
>digital store
>perfect
pick one and only one
a00132 No.16284057
Do you want an actual answer or the /v/ answer? Cause the actual one would be steam but with no DRM at all. The /v/ answer is
>digital
>buying
>ever
I shiggy diggy
bd35a1 No.16284059
Reminder that a physical disc is also legally just a license and not ownership.
ccfc8c No.16284064
>>16284059
Reminder that steam taking away your account is more real than steam walking into your house and taking your CD
256c44 No.16284066
>Physical and/or DRM free installs and games that do not need the use of the store's exe
>No regional pricing
>Being able to revert to and choose patches and optional content like DLC or 4gay textures at will
>Getting information quickly and clearly, like user reviews, current update status, sales information and such, and relegating bullshit like achievements to the side.
>A decent tag/filtering system
fdd0ec No.16284069
b739e3 No.16284070
Unless you make the store yourself and own 100% of it, it will become shit. Even then, if you try to make good decisions for the consumer, companies will immediately drop you or demand you change. Either that or your store will slowly be poisoned by the new employees you hire. I am sure it could be done, but it would be one hell of an uphill battle.
66f7e5 No.16284072
>20th epic store thread in 2 day
4d601b No.16284074
The best one in recent memory was Good Old Downloads (GOD). It wasn't perfect by any means, as it lacked things such as Linux and Mac OS installers, but it had the most polish out of all the online storefronts. It was the Christmas Catalogue of online storefronts, and (((IGG))) killed it.
dda4be No.16284075
When the servers that your account and all your data is stored on is owned by someone else you truly don't own anything because at the slightest whim they can just axe your shit, make up any excuse they want and all your money will be down the drain
256c44 No.16284079
>>16284074
It's not remotely the same but mercs213 on any public tracker used to be the uploader for GOD's torrent mirrors and those are still up.
2dcf1d No.16284081
After years of buying steam games for nothing but collecting digital dust and seeing how retarded the whole DRM and digital stores wars going on these days, not to mention the idea of multiple launchers popping up every time i turn up the pc i decided not so long ago to go full pirate. I always pirated roms and tons of other media, so it seems real hypocritical to me just buying games and not anything else so this whole Steam vs Epic is irrelevant to me.
1b26c1 No.16284082
Epic store is not competition for Steam, it is its own little monopoly since it buys exclusive licenses. Epic store is cancer and owned by chinks, nothing good will come from supporting it.
And I am not defending Steam, their flip flopping on censorship disgusts me.
c42ec8 No.16284085
>>16284074
This. IGG niggers killed a good place to get not only gog games, but other scene released games, and old harder to fine roms all without adware and clean website with working google drive links.
9db11f No.16284086
>>16284057
Steamworks drm is rare and pisseasy to bypass.
1b26c1 No.16284089
>>16284080
Steam is censoring yuri games, Valve is evil as any other company, they are just slightly less evil.
3b9005 No.16284093
>>16284086
It's still DRM, even if it isn't actively malevolent like say Denuvo or SecuROM.
The ideal digital store would have a license agreement written as such where you actually purchase a license to download copies of the games from their servers as well as giving you full ownership of the copies you do download.
Too bad no major publisher will ever agree to put their shit on a store that mandates this.
c42ec8 No.16284096
>>16284080
>protects free speech
they just censored ppl review bombing games that had shitty practices. Epic and stadia are both gearing up for more heavy on censorship than steam is atm but they can easily just go the same when it becomes "industry standard" to censor people more heavily when their competitors are doing it.
ccfc8c No.16284099
>>16284094
Neck yourself invader get of my imageboard
4d601b No.16284108
>>16284099
Goons are a silly bunch. They profess hatred for things they secretly enjoy. Many Goons were furfags, diaperfags and vorefags as well. Those Goons, ex-Goons and evolved Goons (Redditors) which profess hatred for Japanese Animation and Cartooning are the same I feel.
9db11f No.16284109
>>16284094
>yuri is lesbo
next youre gonna tell me loli is pedo too.
3b9005 No.16284112
>>16284102
GOD/SS did no such thing, however IGG was confirmed to have started putting cryptominers in their releases starting early 2018. It's actually made getting pirated vidya much harder since ignorant jack asses just reupload that shit to trackers without thinking twice, burying the original scene releases.
2f45c4 No.16284113
>>16284109
or that shota is gay.
9db11f No.16284117
>>16284113
Shota is gay, but I dont see how thats related.
1b26c1 No.16284119
>>16284094
>>16284110
>defending censorship
4382c9 No.16284126
>>16284112
That's what I was getting at. It's probably the Vietcong fuck himself trying to smear GOD. IGG also put in their own version of DRM tied to a dll, too. Scummy fucker.
3e43c8 No.16284127
>DRM Free (if they have a client, make it optional)
>Cheap prices
>Linux support
That's it.
1b26c1 No.16284136
>>16284125
They are not censoring Yaoi, isn't that extra gay?
Useful idiots.
bb8cbd No.16284142
>>16284125
>censorship is okay for [whatever I don't like]
<but you can't censor [whatever I do like]
Not how it works, you don't get to pick and choose. Either nothing is subject to being banned, or anything is, arbitrarily.
b739e3 No.16284144
>>16284136
Why would they censor Yaoi? Gayben loves it.
f73c7f No.16284145
>>16284044
In an ideal world, every game would be released in an indestructible format that will remain playable on all operating systems and not require a laundry list of patches, community sourced bug fixes, and mods to be playable. I tried to install a game released in 2000 and it required a dozen different special utilities and little programs and shit just to get it to run poorly. Would have saved myself a lot of trouble if I'd just pirated the GOG re-release.
We don't live in an ideal world, though. So the question becomes, "What can Steam do better?" because Epic Games has nothing to offer. It's filthy chink malware made to harvest data and fuck up the whole industry. force by some retarded cunts who made a shitty meme game that made a fucktillion dollars specifically because Chinks are stupid soulless bugmen.
>better categorization and search functionality
>bare minimum quality control to keep shitty chink asset flips away from the platform or relegated to some kind of low quality quarantine zone
>a refund system that accounts for games taking longer than 2 hours to tell whether they are good or not and also allows refunds in the event of games that are bought on sale but not played for months or years later
>easier tools for organizing and categorizing your own library
>full 100% offline functionality for all installed games, excluding online-only games, of course
>the option to take all the games you own and port them over to an offline client where they will remain accessible, installable, and playable without needing to validate your existence with Gaben and his faggot brigade of lazy retard devs just so you can enjoy the thing you paid for.
ae05ec No.16284170
>>16284155
Because it is as far as censorship goes. If they can censor one thing arbitrarily then nothing is safe. Fucking retard. This shit is common sense.
ab3725 No.16284174
>>16284126
It's weird that some guys like fitgirl have a bigger reputation for reliability simply because he doesn't put miners in every single one of his repacks.
b58fd5 No.16284183
HOW MANY FUCKING EPIC GAMES STORE vs STEAM STORE THREADS DO YOU NEED?!
344736 No.16284187
378d01 No.16284189
I'd like devs to just sell their games on their own sites without the need of a launcher or account.
313c38 No.16284190
>>16284074
Fuck yeah, GoodOldDownloads was the perfect digital store. Was going to say this before even opening the thread.
>>16284145
>bare minimum quality control to keep shitty chink asset flips away from the platform or relegated to some kind of low quality quarantine zone
Fuckin' a, we already discussed this in other threads: Steam should have a different, separate storefront for slavtrash* asset flips, RPGMaker titles and other types of extreme low-budget indie titles and joke games.
* (if you pay attention, most cashgrab asset flips made in Unity or UE4 are made by slavs, not chinks)
e68a1c No.16284191
ae05ec No.16284193
>>16284181
They have no morals or principles so they're far better at arbitrarily breaking the rules and acting as hypocrites than you or I will ever be. All you're doing by giving them more rules, laws and powers is ensuring that there's more that they can do than you. You'll never be like them because you have a conscience and they don't. They only path to victory for us is a level playing field, and the closest we can get to one is having fewer tools for them to work with. We're at a disadvantage from the start but you don't need to go out and do everything in your god damned power to make things worse because you're a reactionary piece of shit.
3b9005 No.16284199
>>16284190
That's because it's russian/ukranian organized crime using steam trading cards to launder money
f73c7f No.16284201
>>16284190
>Slavs
Well, that's perfect. The low quality section of the storefront can just be called "THE ZONE" then.
e68a1c No.16284204
>>16284189
Yeah I would like that too but smaller developers and publishers don't have the infrastructure in place to do this.
256c44 No.16284205
>>16284204
Falcom doesn't give a shit. They have that sweet harem JRPG dosh now.
What little of ys9 shown today was pretty nice though.
e68a1c No.16284209
>>16284052
How about you download an ISO and burn it yourself grandpa?
ab96e7 No.16284218
>>16284044
porn games without shitty content policing
ab3725 No.16284219
>>16284191
>GOG
GOG has gone to shit, their website is fucking broken if you don't have a very specific version of Firefox unless it's Chrome. Everything else can have you looking forward to the front page not working, terrible lag, and the login tab not eve showing up.
857390 No.16284221
>>16284052
this
DRM free physical releases
too bad its long gone now
e68a1c No.16284223
Censorship is for triggered cunts. Dont like it don't buy it. Walk away from the screen.
457aa0 No.16284237
>>16284066
This plus
>no region lock
fdd0ec No.16284238
>>16284224
Oh, you were baiting. Well here's another (you), enjoy.
6af5a9 No.16284241
>>16284224
>nothing wrong with homosexuality
Who the fuck allowed reddit onto this board? The ones supporting gays are one and the same as those who make shitty games as art in the first place.
b739e3 No.16284248
>>16284183
Enough until we take "sides" on this shitty topic.
2fa169 No.16284252
>>16284094
I'm sure you really love furry and gay rape shit they allow absolutely uncensored at the same time.
bb8cbd No.16284254
>>16284155
Rather, because this shit loops around. What's getting censored now? Lolis, mainly, but japanese games with sexual content all around. So say you ban homosexuality, fine. And then the same people will want to ban sex (think about how most of /pol/ regards porn as some of the worst stuff out there), and then violence against children (because children are pure and we need to keep birthrates up) and we're back exactly where we were. Any and all censorship will always be exploited by someone. It's why something like "hate speech" is so terrifying - who gets to decide what it is? Whoever is in power will add criticism of them to the definition of hate speech near-immediately, it's how it always goes.
20d699 No.16284273
It should have two modes:
1.) A launcher mode, which is lightweight and barebones, only good for launching your games from a centralized UI but it's not hogging much resources. Does not require internet connection unless you want to download patches or go multiplayer.
2.) A storefront mode, which contains the shop and social components, uses up more resources naturally, requires internet and has all the information and communication from one hand.
Best of both worlds.
ae05ec No.16284276
>>16284206
It's like you didn't read a god damned thing I said. Off yourself or learn to read.
34dd68 No.16284278
710949 No.16284295
>>16284064
Reminder that shortly before steam got very popular, games were starting to experiment with (limited number of) online activations anyway. Even with the content on disk, it would no longer be possible to install the game without workaround, i which case you might as well pirate.
>>16284044
Many games aren't a certain price because they have to be that price to make money. They are a certain price because they believe the market will be willing to pay that price. Games would not become 7.5% cheaper, rather the developers would get 7.5% more. That MAY translate into better games, but its not certain.
For me, the only thing that really has to happen is the abolishment of copyright. This would mean that games and game stores get actual competition going. This meaning they will have to compete on features rather than exclusive deals and whatever else. Even without copyright being illegal, we see the effect, more importantly, the good effect, that it has on the game market. Look at old school runescape for example. People started to make good private servers. Jagex noticed and while trying to shut them down did something, they wouldn't win that battle so they decided to fight on a much better way, by releasing the runescape many people wanted themselves. And its consistently making them money and they are still working on it. WoW is noticing the same thing. Imagine without copyright how much more developers would have to give you the game you want, rather than give you a shitty game but stopping you from going anywhere.
000000 No.16284309
>>16284044
By not existing. Digital products being sold is a cancer. If it is not physical, it must always be free.
be797f No.16284313
>>16284044
>Dedicated Customer Support Team. Instead of E-mails, there are ticketing/chat systems, where Valve GMs are willing to assist with all problems, 24 hours a day. Valve maintains a strict SLA so that all tickets are answered within a 24 hour period; whether by E-mail or chatting within the client itself.
>Announcing the Valve "Red Curtain Room". This is a segment within the Steam Store that hosts all Adult-Only games from every region in the world, up to and including a tagging system so you can determine if that sex game is for you! Default tags include things such as: Hentai, Loli, Shota, Traps, Futanari, Expansion, Hard Anal, Rape, Snuff, and Vore. All tags are imported from Rule34, HentaiFoundry and Sadpanda. Create your own!
>Upon launching a Red Curtain title, you have the option to rename the game to anything of your choosing, and no matter what it is named, it will display as an official In-Game status.
>Valve has signed agreements with all developers and publishers. Effective immediately, all Activision-Blizzard, EA, Ubisoft, Epic and GOG games will now be available within the Steam Store, eliminating the need for several launchers, and delivering on a centralized platform. Users will have the option to import their friends/settings from other launchers.
>Steam Marketplace embraces more marketable items. Between Valve titles and non-Valve titles, all of your unwanted lootbox items (example: Overwatch & Call of Duty) will now be able to be placed upon the Marketplace.
>DRM Restrictions: All Denuvo and associated DRM packages now fall under 'malware', and will be prohibited from submission onto the store. All DRM will effectively be stripped, allowing users to download their purchased games, with self-contained launchers, similar to GOG Galaxy.
ad53ca No.16284319
>>16284219
>don't have a very specific version of Firefox
The lastest? I've never had any problem with their site.
e68a1c No.16284329
>>16284278
Crypto currency cannot be used in the real world. Its value is in constant flux.
ab3725 No.16284331
>>16284319
Pretty much any fork and old versions of Firefox is fucked.
>>16284315
I can't see it cause the post is deleted but if it's an archive.is link then it's valid.
bb8cbd No.16284334
>>16284300
Yes, the two sides are different, but I do not trust anyone with the power to censor anything. Like I said, we have the left now moralfagging about harming women and children, hencewhy things keep being banned on Steam, but ask /pol/ right now, should porn be banned? The majority would agree. The question was about censorship. If I trust either side with the ability to censor anything, the end result is the same - my games are censored. Hencewhy nothing should be censored. And to your moralfaggotry, just remember that there will always be someone more radical than you, taking your support of censorship and utilizing that to censor something you like as well, simply because they don't like it.
be797f No.16284341
>>16284313
>Chat & Community: We have seen and heard the success with Discord, loud and clear. We will shamelessly rip off all features that Discord has. Unlike Discord, however, all user data will not be saved or sold. Any/all data saved will be for individual archival purposes only, which the player can opt in/out of at any time. NOTE: Upon opting out, all saved logs and information will be immediately purged.
>Streaming: All features of Youtube, Twitch and Vimeo will be available within Steam. Monetization is disabled, discouraging bottom-feeding reaction videos/camwhoring/typical Youtuber shit. Copyright laws do not apply, so you can stream Kung Pow to your community of friends with zero repercussions.
>Piracy: We want our users to have a fair assessment of the games they're interested in. On each game's store page is included a magnet link of the full game, so the user can determine if that game is worth the purchase.
>File Sharing is enabled, with end-to-end encryption.
e0b9ca No.16284343
>>16284044
One that allows everything (including porn/loli) and gives you proper options to see only the content you are interested in.
313c38 No.16284348
>>16284199
>russian/ukranian organized crime using steam trading cards to launder money
I've heard this a few times before on /v/. I admit I have pretty much zero knowledge about trading cards and barely know how they work, but can they really be so profitable to the point of being a viable alternative to launder money? Or is it just a meme?
By the way, aside from slavs, I also see a surprising and rising amount of asset flips made by sandniggers.
bb8cbd No.16284352
One that isn't bloated by needless features like chat clients and fucking cards and stuff. As lightweight as possible. This is the only real answer. It wouldn't make me buy digital, but it'd be something.
2fa169 No.16284356
>>16284265
The only "problematic" stuff they clean is non faggotry games which sometimes don't have nudity shit in there, meanwhile not a single gay shit was ever banned and is absolutely uncensored. But nice double standards you have there, apparently when it's pure degeneracy like literal gay shit filled with bestiality or whatever you don't mind.
00edf7 No.16284366
DRM-free
Not based in Cyprus
Doesn't police user reviews
Doesn't "offer" a spyware instant messaging service
Only sells games
Isn't selective about what games it sells
00edf7 No.16284368
>>16284366
Oh and runs out of a website, not some cancerous fucking external client.
313c38 No.16284374
>>16284074
>It was the Christmas Catalogue of online storefronts, and (((IGG))) killed it.
While as said previously I agree GOD was perfect, I forgot to mention:
>Still believing in CY that IGG killed GOD
>Not realizing GOD was a GoG inside job that had outlived its usefulness and done its job
>Not realizing IGG was only a scapegoat so they could shut it down without people asking too many questions
c752ae No.16284381
>>16284204
Falcom gave nisa cold steel fuck'em.
313c38 No.16284394
>>16284379
I'm not. I'm just stating what I believe actuallly happened. I do think the whole ordeal was glow-in-the-dark levels of fishy and lots of things were either very strange or don't add up.
34dd68 No.16284400
>>16284383
>Porn is not a Jewish Conspiracy, It’s natural and Healthy
I just came in to the thread and I can already say that there is nothing worth saving, not that this thread was worth saving anyways
2fa169 No.16284401
>>16284357
This shit is normalized and if anything it's against a norm if you hate this degeneracy in America, not sure why you're babbling bullshit about moralfagging here. Nowadays it's a must for you to fully support the shit like >>16284300 as well as faggots with trannies, there are even parents who are absolutely fine that their children are getting brainwashed by faggotry and being straight is at this point considered absolutely unnormal, same as criticizing this crap. There is no such thing as moral anymore so you can't really get behind your favorite buzzword anymore, certainly not when parents are ready to chop dicks of their children and consider it absolutely normal while the government fully support them.
0602ce No.16284403
Holy fuck is this the new "Console wars?"
c752ae No.16284415
>>16284403
No the console wars were over which was best this is just choosing between a shit sandwich and a shit sub.
5358e8 No.16284426
>>16284044
>What does a perfect digital store look like for you?
9db11f No.16284428
>>16284415
>implying a single console worth owning exists
fdd0ec No.16284429
>>16284383
>Kinsey proves this
Pseudoscience doesn't prove anything.
c752ae No.16284430
>>16284428
Not since the ps2 every advantage they had is gone.
e0687b No.16284432
>>16284044
Steam is literally the perfect one already.
e23cd0 No.16284438
>Hentai section for newly translated straight shota doujins
>Eroge section for Illusion games, indieshit from DLsite, etc. NTR is banned.
>Manga section where I can buy physical or even digital manga
>Games section which allows literally everything onto it. It's not the stores job to decide what goes on, it's up to the consumer to decide what to spend their money on.
ez
3be48d No.16284449
>>16284044
I bet the most common answer here is "it has all the games I want and none of the games I hate on it".
All this "Digital is trash" is laughably stupid. It's all data. Makes no difference how it gets on your PC.
Reminder that offline mode exist and I can still play my games even if Steam dies.
e140aa No.16284468
>open client
>download game
>never open client ever again
>play game
bb8cbd No.16284490
>>16284449
>Steam dies
>your hard drive dies too
>you no longer have any of your games
>only option is piracy
ad53ca No.16284498
>>16284490
Backup your hard drive. Everyone should have backups, regardless of video games.
bb8cbd No.16284506
>>16284498
You know what's a really good form of backup? Physical game copies.
I don't have the money to store several terabytes of shit in backup form. I backup things that are important, my own work, that I can't get elsewhere.
c9324a No.16284563
>>16284044
>There are a lot of talk about Epic vs Steam
here we see a false information
>as a digital store.
as if steam or epic ever tried something else!?
> I was happy at start
feeling for a corporation
>because Valve had made several mistakes recently with Steam
who cares?
>such as the paid mods scandal and the removal of several H-games
only a normalfag cares about this
>(for what i have read, i dont play those games myself expect if the gameplay is so good that the game would be good if it was not a H-game)
so much nonsense
>But Epic store dont do anything better than Steam
…wait
>expect for having less shovelware.
there you go, "this is why you should buy our product" shill
>So i was thinking
no you where not
> what a Steamkiller
torrent
>should have
should?
THINGS YOU NEED TO LEARN FROM THIS THREAD
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5fab78 No.16284573
When will one of these giant corporations start funding ports of older console/handheld games? I'm sure tons from the PSP could come over without much legal hassle.
000000 No.16284578
>>16284057
Wrong. One of GOG's problems is that they keep trying to shove their GOG Galaxy client down everyone's throats when they don't want that shit.
People want a DRM-free digital download store that transfers actual ownership rights to the purchasers.
151630 No.16284581
>>16284055
Exactly this.
A 'store' where you don't actually buy, but license instead is no store, and it can not be perfect at all.
5358e8 No.16284584
>>16284490
>GameStop goes out of business
>Your little brother scratches all your game DVDs
See, I can be a faggot too
ad53ca No.16284586
>>16284506
You spend money on computer parts and video games, yet refuse to back any of it up. Physical things are not indestructable, you should have copies of those as well.
3TB drives are $65.
c9324a No.16284587
>>16284573
>>16284578
>>16284581
YOU GUYS NEED TO DIE IN A FIRE FULL OF DICKS
YOU RETARDED IDIOTS
5358e8 No.16284590
>>16284578
>DRM-free digital download store that transfers actual ownership rights to the purchasers
You don't even "own" GPL software, dumb faggot. I don't "own" Xonotic or 0 A.D or TuxKart
5fab78 No.16284596
>>16284587
I'm still trying to figure out how to sage. Sorry.
bb8cbd No.16284602
>>16284584
You can get other physical copies from Ebay, at the very least. Steam goes down, not only are your copies gone, but any Steam-only game is dead, too. Besides, your brother scratching your games is avoidable if you kick your brother down a flight of stairs if he tries to come in your room. Hard Drive failure is not really something you can avoid.
b81005 No.16284622
A download button and a good crack
95f481 No.16284665
How about a place with good games, AAA, AA, Middleware or low budget indie with a wide range of themes, settings and genres, but anything goes, pedophile simulator, school shooter, CIA game where you entrap niggers into killing eachother and arresting the winners of the gang war, RTS/grand strategy game about playing as the jews with the goal of world dominaton,etc. ponography, gore, other themes allowed. anything that just makes the store facebook but for videogames removed. no game is allowed to sell DLC or have microtransactions, no asset flips or shitty games that dont even belong on newgrounds, no pre-ordering, no ads everywhere just updates on when a game is coming out or current sales, no DRM or anything that collects user data and sells it to the chinks
f73c7f No.16284686
>>16284352
Chat and cards are fine as long as they aren't a priority that is actively holding up improving the rest of the platform. In Steam's case, they decided to add some quirky shit, like emoticons that you have to buy or earn with trading cards, instead of working on literally anything else that would have improved the store. When you look into why this shit keeps happening, it's because Valve is one of those moronic "flat hierarchy" companies where no one is anyone's boss and all projects are worked on only because a clique of cool kid employees convinced the other retards to work on it with them.
bb8cbd No.16284706
>>16284686
I want one thing and one thing only - the ability to buy games. Anything else I see as fluff and bloat that slows down my PC. It's a vidya store, not a fucking cellphone. That's another big problem with Steam - any time I used it (which isn't much, really), it would have to update. I've had it update three days in a row once, and that's when I uninstalled it.
5fb512 No.16284716
>>16284665
When can we expect Randy to serve time for his magic trick?
5fb512 No.16284725
>>16284578
>People want a DRM-free digital download store that transfers actual ownership rights to the purchasers.
Too bad that's never been a thing, at least in vidya. Remember in the mid-late 00s when Sony publicly stated nobody owns something even if they bought a physical copy of a game; they just own the "rights" to play with it on their system.
154d26 No.16284727
>>16284725
>Sony said this
It's been listed since the NES eula
5fb512 No.16284731
>>16284727
Yes, I was just pointing out that companies have, in addition to fine print, even publicly stated that you don't own anything.
86e8c1 No.16284736
Essentially, what I'm looking for is Playism, or GOG.
While I do prefer games comes with things such as the Soundtrack in an easily used elsewhere format.
Maybe a few wallpapers
A manual and/or readme
At the very least a DRM free copy, as in the installer, that is able to run totally offline, is what I'm looking for at the bare minimum. Because that creates the ultimate insurance that the storefront has to cater to their consumers since if they fuck up, everyone can just take their installers and fuck off forever.
86e8c1 No.16284748
>>16284725
Technically, if I remember right, when it comes to america companies don't actually have that right. It's just with the means of digital distribution they have the means to yoink your shit you paid for.
Especially since the whole "licensed not sold" thing is an abuse of anti forgery laws.
735730 No.16284765
I really don’t care what epic and valve do. It’s all just putting different condiments on the same dog turd that is digital distribution.
5cb2fd No.16284789
>>16284044
Bittorrent client now fuck off.
e8736d No.16284793
What does market research have to do with vidya?
86e8c1 No.16284799
>>16284793
Because if THQ is watching to the point they'd actually check out over here there may be the slimmest hope about mentioning things into the miasma.
e0687b No.16284818
86e8c1 No.16284830
>>16284818
Centralization is kind of an issue, and they have kind of an issue when it comes with hosting UGC.
See: Steam harassing mod devs to take their shit off websites other than steam workshop and the barrels of chink spyware in the workshop.
Also Note: Never download ANYTHING written in chinese from the workshop, ever. Even if it's a mod that other mods have dependencies on
c729b8 No.16284846
>>16284833
>filename
The shooter wasn't a Christian. Suicide is also a sin, so according to Christianity he's in hell.
66c591 No.16284871
>>16284846
No if you die killing muslims is not a sin,it is the road to heaven
86e8c1 No.16284879
>>16284871
Mate, that's islamism, suicidal military conquest is only accepted by Allah (Muhammad)
76049f No.16284893
>>16284064
>more real
>try to play disk installed game
<your account cannot be accessed
<your user product ID has been banned
>can't ever install from that disk again
Physical disks stopped being relevant to the discussion of actually owning your own software when games met the internet.
Currently, the only way to insure that you "own" a copy is to pirate it.
66c591 No.16284896
>>16284879
BEGONE YEE OF NO FAITH
c729b8 No.16284897
>>16284871
He shot himself; he wasn't killed by an aggressor. It's suicide, not martyrdom.
Also, like I said, the shooter wasn't a Christian, hence he's in hell according to Christian belief.
86e8c1 No.16284899
>>16284893
Or you know, running a simple test on software you have to ensure it's operable without connection to a host. Which would take you like, 20 minutes tops.
c729b8 No.16284901
>>16284896
>procession of the blessed sacrament
>overlaid with faggot metal music
Stop.
86e8c1 No.16284902
>>16284896
Dude, even in the crusades the idea was to survive. What are you trying to prove?
76049f No.16284904
>>16284833
>someone that can actually handle a firearm actually does a mass shooting
>has to go and be a massive faggot about it
I swear to fucking God, zoomers make me cringe every time. You're going to be a worse generation than boomers.
c729b8 No.16284911
>>16284908
He wasn't a Norseman either.
7ac5db No.16284915
Y'all niggas postin' in a market research thread
76049f No.16284916
>>16284899
We're implying games will always be able to do that when half of the games out there, uncracked, can't.
The irony of this shit is that half of the time there's no reason not to pirate a game. It's a big part of why companies are pushing the "online service" bullshit. To force people to just bend over and take it.
ba7191 No.16284928
>>16284902
The Knights Templar are a really interesting bunch. They've been demonized for so long it is novel when they're accurately portrayed as the warrior monks who would inspire many for centuries.
a81550 No.16284931
>>16284044
>What does a perfect digital store look like for you?
a00132 No.16284934
>>16284915
Yeah and any researchers ITT are only learning that /v/ is shit and doesn’t buy anything.
c729b8 No.16284942
>>16284918
No he didn't. He had a mix of various bloods from various ethnic groups. Also you can't get to the afterlife according to the Norse tradition without performing the proper rites before battle and communing with the gods, all that. He did none of this. He was just some random atheist who killed people. There's no "based pagan" aspect to any of this whatsoever.
66c591 No.16284948
>>16284901
Keep crying fedorafag and go listen on some of DJ Fishsticks' latest releases or whatever gay shit you cry yourself to sleep to every night.
>>16284902
>if you kill your enemies they win
See?This is the exact kind of thinking that lost Christians Jerusalem in the first place,surviving isn't and shouldn't be a goal when crusading.Victory or deat, no compromises.
ccfc8c No.16284953
>>16284879
Godd wills it you fucking retarded sheep
86e8c1 No.16284955
>>16284948
>if you kill your enemies they win
That's not what I said you misanthropic retard.
b739e3 No.16284962
>>16284846
The shooter didn't kill himself.
66c591 No.16284970
>>16284955
>killing muslims
>misanthropic
you lost me they have to be human to begin with for me to be misanthropicyou do realise that right?
9e9e3a No.16285020
>>16284846
Honestly the best part about this whole mess is how it's actually backfired so hard Christianity is getting fucked in the ass over there.
84c872 No.16285037
>>16284915
what's the problem with reminding them the current industry is anti-consumer ridden garbage? worst case they just ignore it. also
>implying most threads on /v/ are not market research
"what's the most infuriating boss," "questionable design decisions," "games that got your heart rate through the ceiling," "annoying mechanics," "what makes you drop a game," "games that piss you off," etc.
>>16284581
>A 'store' where you don't actually buy, but license instead is no store
I hate misinformed retards like you who repeat toughtless bullshit. companies have always claimed physical games are only "LICENSED, NOT SOLD". you'd do well to remember physical games are not immune to being taken away either, look at Darkspore, or online CD key checks.
the actual problem with digital is the curtailing of consumer rights (e.g. can't lend, transfer, resell, back stuff up), DRM, and games being tied to an account/device, not the "muh licensed not sold" red herring itself. and the divide between physical and digital is becoming more irrelevant every day as these days games ship incomplete and require downloads or receive constant updates, all of which can become unavailable overnight.
4f8f37 No.16285064
>>16285037
>Discussing video games on a videogames board is now market research
66c591 No.16285067
>>16285037
<you'd do well to remember physical games are not immune to being taken away either
<just look at Darkspore
>EA has removed the store page of Darkspore from Steam meaning any attempt to purchase it through Steam cannot be made
faggot
e0b9ca No.16285072
>>16285067
Darkspore is always-online. You can't play any version of the game without the servers.
66c591 No.16285075
>>16285072
then nothing of value was lost
bb8cbd No.16285076
>>16285075
Say that when it happens to a game you like, faggot.
4f8f37 No.16285081
>>16285076
Who would like any game that's always online? You're not making any sense.
030e09 No.16285082
>>16284044
>What does a perfect digital store look like for you?
ONE WHERE EVERYTHING IS FREE
66c591 No.16285085
>>16285076
Like Diablo 3? :^)
I don't play shit games sfaggot
030e09 No.16285088
>>16284846
>so according to Christianity he's in hell.
He's still alive though
251d9f No.16285092
4f8f37 No.16285098
>>16285092
>They can take away your physical games (that happen to be always online)
>I don't play always online games.
>yes you do
I see you're a different anon, but you're only making yourself look retarded.
251d9f No.16285103
>>16285098
he said he didn't play shit games, I corrected his error
every game is a shit game if spoken about publicly on /v/ nigger
66c591 No.16285106
>>16285092
you're mistaking me with yourself's self
e0b9ca No.16285107
>>16285103
So what shit game are you a fan of that /v/ bullied you for?
251d9f No.16285111
4f8f37 No.16285114
>>16285103
You're trying too hard to fit in. Lurk more and try again.
84c872 No.16285116
>>16285064
>thread that consists of listing things that make you like/not like a product is totally not thinly-veiled datamining
got it
4f8f37 No.16285121
>>16285116
You could make that argument about literally any thread on any board about any industry ever made. Might as well never discuss anything, I guess. Time to go lie down and rot.
ef8826 No.16285141
>>16285121
Datamining
Just imagine, some corporate cocksucker will come into 8chan and take to heart the opinions of a dozen jaded fucks and make a store that doesn't legally assfuck you in every borderline legal manner it can. Oh no. What a horror.
4f8f37 No.16285146
>>16285141
Or they might make a game with fun mechanics and interesting plots! The horror! Or improve their game thanks to feedback about a game in a game-specific thread! Or remove questionable design choices and instead implement thoughtful changes!
…Why is this supposed to be dark and nefarious again?
c8b1e2 No.16285153
>>16285146
Because you're solving their problems for them, and do it for free. Even worse, you do it while they openly hate you and your existence.
66c591 No.16285157
>>16285146
>i put my trust in companies to do what is right by me
>what is wrong about that?
<…
e0687b No.16285174
>>16284830
Good point, I didn't know that.
fb7f51 No.16285198
I will always say and will continue to say this until everyone gets it in their heads. Physical will always be superior. Period. I went back to playing old games and holy shit, all you have to do with a PS2 is insert a disc and the motherfucker will take you straight into the game. No fluff. No connecting online, no installation, no patches, no social media bullshit, nothing. It's what a gaming console should be. Steam will never be good, not only do you have to be online to download the game, but it is in digital format and DRM on top of that. Ever since MS and Valve got into the industry, there has been nothing but bad practices. From the way games are designed, to the way they are badly optimized for a release date. Now developers can just rush to program a whatever fucking product and release it broken knowing that they can always patch it later. The fucking idiots don't know that it actually hurts them in the long wrong for being incompetent. Steam for creating the sales cult, all you stupid motherfuckers that have bought all those games on sales, now you have hundreds if not thousands of games that you WILL NEVER PLAY. Again, it has been reported that most people that have hundreds of games don't even play them, yet they play the most basic bitch games that everyone else is playing. Not to mention people that are enamored with the surrounding aspect of social media, such as fags that focuses on their Steam profile, badges, XP, amount of friends that they have, trading cards, achievements, etc. Instead of playing the fucking games. I fucking hate you losers, you posers don't really like video games. The same goes for the PC faggot race that are only hardware fetishists.
84c872 No.16285199
>>16285153
while helping someone who hates your guts, especially for free, is absolutely despicable and a very valid point, if it actually makes things better (e.g. consumer-respecting stores and better, microtransactions-free, non-pozzed games), then can you say it's a bad thing? of course the question of whether it's for real and not just half-assed attempts and lip service like it usually ends up being remains, but I digress
b902eb No.16285235
>>16285146
>>16285141
>>16285153
They will datamine to discover what you hate the most, then add that and ensure that which you love will be excized.
e0b9ca No.16285265
>>16285198
A cuckchanner has no right to look down on anyone.
86e8c1 No.16285327
>>16285198
Physical lost it's superiority since shipping unfinished games became a thing, unfortunately. Hell even on cartridge only systems like the switch games ship incomplete.
9df196 No.16285347
>>16285265
>trashcan labeled trash
86e8c1 No.16285378
>>16285347
Also, and maybe this is a nitpick, but can we talk about how the fingers aren't edited to actually be gripping the logo?
fb7f51 No.16285480
>>16285327
Not really, once again the past shows that it was superior in every way. Back then we had something called Expansion Packs which were infinitely better than the nickel and dime practice of DLC. What developers should do, is fade away the old physical copies of said game and update them with the Goy of the Year Edition or something else that's already patched, improved, and has all the DLC. But are they even smart enough to do that? My fundamental point is that they should give people options, let's say right now I want off the internet, how would those games or developers even reach me when all they do is market their games online or force me to pay for internet connection so then I can buy their games? Fuck off, you're basically paying twice for something. And this new age mentality of not owning anything is a new form of slavery, fuck all that streaming shit.
ab6f28 No.16285503
>digital store
>perfect
i guess like piratebay because anything sold on a purely digital medium has no intrinsic value.
might as well ask about a perfect parasite. its only positive from the perspective of the parasite
86e8c1 No.16285507
>>16285480
Damn it'd be great if the (not really)Game of the Year copies of games were still a thing. The last one I even remember releasing was shadow of Mordor, and you didn't even get the base game on physical copies of the game
3aabdf No.16285594
I love how Epics boss claims there will be some “quality” control but they won’t do anything to games they find “distasteful”. 5 bucks says they’ll take down the first game resetera attacks and makes a big enough stink about.
12ce5b No.16285822
Perfect Store
>No DRM
>Games are super cheep
>Not a botnet
000000 No.16285827
>>16284044
>No GoG
Why are kikes so afraid of DRM free?
Between the two I'd pick epic as it's less pozzed than (((steam))))
86e8c1 No.16285843
>>16285827
>Choosing literal spyware and a company that actively wants to become a monopoly over at worst, a store front that some of the time results in games being moved to more obscure storefronts and indirectly has a monopoly via ubiquity on pc
Leave it to TOR poster
db1aa9 No.16285851
>>16284119
I don't know why, but seeing samus like that is pleasing, I don't like this feeling I'm feeling over this.
000000 No.16285852
>>16285843
>Choosing literal spyware
(((steam)))?
>company that actively wants to become a monopoly
(((steam)))?
>games being moved to more obscure storefronts
(((steam)))?
>indirectly has a monopoly
(((steam)))?
Trust a retard browsing a board with a fat retarded kike as a BO
86e8c1 No.16285857
>>16285852
<Hi I'm a huge faggot and can't read!
<What is a comma
Also you're on the board too dummy
000000 No.16285878
>>16285857
Only to laugh at you retards and on a tor in case I get infected by your faggotry
>I'm a newfag that doesn't know how to post on this site
86e8c1 No.16285889
>>16285878
<Guys I literally watched season 7 of rick and morty and I downloaded a TOR browser
<I'm so smart very hacker B)
000000 No.16285907
>>16285872
Yeah the subscription is a bargain but I don't see it lasting long. I subbed for one month and downloaded like 8 just released or recently released games before cancelling.
0dee6f No.16285974
>muh physical
or like, get a cd and burn it, dude
f7386e No.16285994
>>16285972
>pic related
explain
dae1e6 No.16285996
Old school GOG is the best.
499d76 No.16286015
>>16285994
It appears to be Honoka from Dead or Alive hotdogging a dog's dick. If you look at the statusbar you can see that the person who took this screenshot has Discord notifications and therefore is an enormous faggot and can safely be assumed to be associated with Epic.
988efd No.16286020
>no store DRM
>critical information about the game (e.g. DRM, data collecting, server reliance, micro transaction) being explicitly stated, lying about that information will get the devs/publisher blacklisted
>objective rules with examples (e.g. no nudity means no nudity at all, no sexual content means whatever it's explained to be like "no explicit sex in any part of the game, implicit sex or partial nudity without showing the genitals is fine".) that are globally enforced
>objective criteria to get the game in the store, with examples and objective definitions
>proper sales (like steam back when 95% off was considered expensive)
It wouldn't be perfect, but good enough for me. My biggest problem with Steam and GOG are the DRM part, meaning I can get fucked whenever they want to, or when the servers go down, and the subjective rules that are enforced whenever they feel like it, as well as the lack of information regarding what I'm getting besides the game.
5b46c9 No.16286038
>>16284727
It's not a legally enforceable eula. If Nintendo came to my house tomorrow and said "we're taking your video games away because you said Nigger on the internet" I could call the police or just shoot them the second they stepped into my house to try and take my games and be completely safe legally. That's the safety of physical copies. Meanwhile someone who said Nigger online who owned Killing Floor 2 got his fake digital shit revoked and there's nothing he can do about it.
000000 No.16286069
5fb512 No.16286072
>defending Goy Old Games
>implying they aren't invested in galaxy DRM becoming their prime distribution service
05a161 No.16286077
>>16284915
Yarg! Matey! The only way for them land lovers to find out what ye'oldy market needs is to sail the digital seas looking for big, meaty, shark booty! Helps decided what's worth shooting me hard earned gold into if ya catch my drift.
86e8c1 No.16286080
>>16286072
You don't need galaxy for any of the installers though. Patch installers don't need it either.
e0b9ca No.16286081
>>16286068
Alternatively, just kill yourself.
000000 No.16286084
>>16286072
WTF? I love forced DRM now!
Thanks rabbi, off to install (((steam)))!
6b8201 No.16286089
>>16285235
They are already doing that.
9df196 No.16286102
>>16286077
>find artist's deviantart
>zebra sex right next to a commission honoring WWI vets
05a161 No.16286106
>>16286092
Salty anons like yerself should be looking for me friend Jack Hoff. As a master baiter, he'll teach ya a thing or two about baiting the sharks.
Am I the only one here who actually buys games he likes after pirating them?
499d76 No.16286110
>>16286106
I have only bought games that I pirated.
86e8c1 No.16286111
>>16286106
>Am I the only one here who actually buys games he likes after pirating them?
Depends on what you define as buying games you like after pirating them. The numbers aren't super good, even if you filter out abandonware
832585 No.16286134
>>16286077
It's funny, I grew up to enjoy napster before it was taken down as a child and cut my teeth on pirating as time went by. Then I got a job and had some money so I figured I'd pay for anything I wanted to play.
Now gas is like 3.50 for basic unleaded before they pull that 'summer blend' price gouge, rent is about 45% of my pay, and pretty much everywhere is slowly raising their prices for everything. So yeah, I'd fuck that shark.
Hey, can we make 'I'd fuck that shark' into internet hate machine code for pirating something?
f7386e No.16286140
>>16286134
>>16286134
>can we make 'I'd fuck that shark' into internet hate machine code for pirating something?
you phrased that in an oddly faggoty manner but I would accept it.
926f2d No.16286150
>>16284846
>he's in hell.
That's not how Christianity works you fucking retard.
>X is a sin
Yeah, and here is a complete list of people who walked on this earth and were without sin (according to Christianity): Jesus.
926f2d No.16286157
>>16284490
If there is no DRM then you can store the data however you want and you don't rely on Steam or any other store either.
Your magical physical disk doesn't stop anyone from putting DRM on a game.
Also if you aren't living your life correctly if you still have a disc drive in your computer.
926f2d No.16286161
>>16286072
>GOG
>download a game
>disconnect from the internet
>nuke Poland
>installer still works
Yeah, that's some fierce DRM there, anon.
86e8c1 No.16286164
>>16286157
To be fair dude, wasn't there a giant kerfuckup with installing windows 7 and the solution, essentially, was to just have a disk with your networking and usb drivers on it?
05a161 No.16286169
>>16286134
I would, but memes can't be forced.
4b323b No.16286223
>>16284183
Personally I'm still struck with amazement how in 2019 console wars are no longer a thing and now it's flipped around to endless battle between pc stores. Seriously what the fuck is going on in this world anymore is anyone else completely lost as well
86e8c1 No.16286240
>>16286223
It's not too difficult to understand, game design hasn't really gotten much more complicated than the PS2 era, but computers have gotten better and better, sure, there's some cases where the bloat is so fucking bad things are actually unplayable without slightly higher end equipment, but you can essentially play anything with an i3 and a 1050 4gb, short of 4k/VR.
And even then, VR devs are starting to stop being retarded with wasteful resourcing.
86e8c1 No.16286259
Other than dedicated handhelds, and possibly motion controls, consoles really have nothing to offer people who play games anymore.
48e683 No.16286292
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16286240
Yeah im still using a 2600k with a 970 and even new games still run on high at 1080p60.
>>16286259
Even motion controls are better. Vive controllers are precise enough to juggle shit in vr.
86e8c1 No.16286319
>>16286292
A vive is also a $500 investment my friend, and god knows how much they're going to charge for the new one that finally has inside out tracking.
b3206d No.16286469
>>16284055
I guess we should stop using this digital site then.
Time for anons to start sending letters to each other.
Digital or not its the same data and can force DRM, be always online, or make sign in to some kind of good goy account, regardless of whether it's on a CD retard.
Polite sage for data mining thread.
b3206d No.16286502
>>16284052
Anons seem to have this kind of false dichotomy where they think "Physical = No more Web 2.0 shit" Which is completely false. Devs had started making games that way long before digital stores became a thing.
The best example I can think of is Spore during it's release. When buying it you did everything Physical fags masturbate over.
>Go to store.
>Buy CD
>Install game through CD.
>No Steam, No Origin, No digital storefront came packaged with it.
But when you boot up the game guess what happens? You have to make a Spore account.
This is exactly what would have happen If digital storefronts had been magically banned.
Games would have just splintered into multiple accounts that devs would have forced you to make once you were done installing from a CD.
Same draw backs happen regardless. You can still get banned for bullshit. You can still lose access to the game when the service shuts down.
For further example, World of Warcraft also came in a CD box . So physical doesn't not mean "You get to own your game."
3e9913 No.16286525
>>16286502
Well Zionist, the point is that the internet was a mistake tbh
e176c6 No.16286534
>>16284145
Why is he making this face?
Is he going to say the n word?
3e9913 No.16286539
>>16286534
WOT A BUNCHA JOKAZ
988efd No.16286771
>>16286069
>need to install their own shitty client for most multiplayer games
>not DRM
That shit is not even compatible with steam servers in most cases, so you end up having to buy from steam if you want non-dead servers or to play with friends.
030e09 No.16286824
>>16285378
I'm the guy who made it originally. I wanted to do that but two things were stopping me
>I wasn't very good at editing at the time
>His fingers weren't fully visible
I made that 4 or 5 years ago, have a better version. As a bonus, I tried to make the logo fit the style of the image.
874a39 No.16286859
DRM free
Launcher or Library is optional
Physical releases of the game don't require you to use the digital store to install
2cb8bf No.16286890
>>16284302
>>16284324
The market is oversaturated with games anyway. It's long overdue for 1983 style rash. We're seeing small hints of this in fallout of fallout 76(badum-tss).
000000 No.16286963
>>16285974
Back in the golden era of videogames, physical copies came with more than CD-ROMs.
988efd No.16286972
>>16286963
or like burn a CD and buy the Collectors Edition(game not included)©™
000000 No.16286989
>>16286080
There are a bunch of games with Galaxy integration such that you cannot play them without installing GOG Galaxy. Gwent, for example.
>>16286972
No no no. Like a burn a CD-ROM, get a custom label printer so you can give a good label, have a local print shop make a paperback book out of the 200 page manual, get a few other little things, maybe print a poster chart or two, get a bunch of cardboard, laminate it properly with more high quality printouts from the local shop, and make sure to fold and glue it just right into a game box. Gotta go whole ham, right?
c3d1c5 No.16287053
The only good store is a dead store
000000 No.16287072
>>16287053
>>>/pol/ is that way if you want to discuss the ethics of an anarchist society without functional trade.
fa4ce1 No.16287087
>>ID: 000000
>lots of incoherent shit and excessive use of formatting to desperately try and fit into 8/v/
2cb8bf No.16287091
>>16287072
>anarchist society without functional trade
Thaht's leftypol stuff, pol is more into fash and anclapism. If these stores were built by /pol/ they'd either chek heritage to either price you differently or gass you on the spot.
988efd No.16287108
>>16287072
At least shitpost properly, /leftypol/. You should've said he was /pol/ because "stores are for jews" or "socialist state doesn't allow free trade", though the second would hurt your ideology as well..
000000 No.16287159
>>16287087
There're at least 3 different torfags in this thread, dude.
>>16287091
Gah. Fucking nu/pol/. imkampfy really ran that place into the ground. Old /pol/ had like five-way arguments about this shit all the time. It was a good time.
>>16287108
I don't count nu/pol/ and their obsessive ideological safe spacing as /pol/.
ce913b No.16287179
>>16286169
>just put it in bra will blow you real good
84c872 No.16287183
>>16285198
>>16285480
why do you insist the medium a game is in matters? what's the difference between a cartridge and a ROM in a flashcart? what's the difference between a game disc and an ISO? nothing. they're both contain the same data. The problem is not the medium, it's the kikery that accompanies it. see >>16286469
I'm not saying we should tolerate digital distribution in its (((current incarnation))), it's just that it can be better than physical (cheaper, better availability, doesn't 'go out of print', doesn't rot), but its poor and overly jewish execution causes it to be worse than physical.
988efd No.16287385
>>16287159
>I don't count nu/pol/ and their obsessive ideological safe spacing as /pol/.
Yet you linked to nu-/pol/.
f9504f No.16287495
>>16284044
>What does a perfect digital store look like for you
Steam with DRM completely removed, like GoG
e0b9ca No.16287578
>>16287569
Does this even work? It's just spam at this point.
988efd No.16287583
>>16287569
>literal reddit spacing
Why? It just makes it into an unnecessary wall of text. You could make it more compact like >>16287469 and then have the links at the bottom without double spacing, that'd make it look way better.
f67b57 No.16287591
for good measure since chinks occupy NZ and AU as well, also fuck aussies
5f7665 No.16287603
>>16284052
So a store that includes the to option to order a physical copy?
b1b352 No.16287622
>>16287578
It probably doesn't, unless people are accessing the site without SSL. The Chinese government does filtering for phrases like these, but https prevents eavesdropping. Discussion of things like the Tiananmen Square massacre are illegal, but it's not like opening an HTTPS site with the text on it is going to instantly block you from the site. The government tends to just block sites that use HTTPS altogether (like Wikipedia), because it makes it effectively impossible to selectively censor. If there are Chinese marketers here, the most that could do is redpill them on how shit their government is, or maybe put pressure on the Chinese government to blacklist 8ch and disallow marketing campaigns here (assuming we aren't already blacklisted in China).
So it most likely does absolutely nothing useful.
030e09 No.16287662
>>16287469
>>16287569
This shit is basically spam at this stage.
8chan is blocked by China anyway.
3effec No.16287663
>>16284069
True but if someone listens it would be good
>>16284044
one that:
doesn't censor games and users
doesn't sell its users info
doesn't use your computer for mining crypto
doesn't delete your games if you already bought them
has the same price and products for everyone
doesn't have a subscription to use
doesn't need to be always online to play
<wont exist
12a18b No.16287734
>>16284055
>developer of the game site
>no web 2.0
>download links including torrent on the first page
>installed game start straight from exe file to the game's menu
>fuck jew merchant middleman
12a18b No.16287741
>>16286038
>stealing is ok if you can get away with this
Too edgy for the current year.
5f7665 No.16287755
>>16284044
>Mistyping except as expect twice
5f7665 No.16287778
>>16286038
And what if any one of those games requires online or has always online DRM. Digital vs Physical isn't the problem. DRM and forcing games to go through a client like Steam are.
12a18b No.16287808
>>16287778
DRM is necessary for developer to obtain revenues. Top scoring games have 100% reliable DRM.
e407a7 No.16287817
Art and code are separated, pay for art to play the game but you can download code under a foss license. No DRM gay shit, code is free, and developers still get credit and money. Nobody is going to compile their own software anyway, normalfags just want to click a button and play the game, not fuck around with gcc. They'll pay money to do it.
56e51e No.16287841
>>16284846
>>16284897
He didn't kill himself. He let himself get arrested.
>>16284904
He's a millennial, not a zoomer.
c3ae1c No.16287852
>>16284069
I hope to God it is
c3ae1c No.16287858
>>16284089
>Steam is censoring yuri games
S A I N T L Y
34ddc6 No.16287878
>>16286771
that isn't steam's fault, that's the jew devs/publishers trying to force a secondary client on consumers. the pc port of mcc will have crossplay between microsoft store and steam.
5a6297 No.16287918
>>16284904
As opposed to currently being a worse generation than boomers like millenials are?
c9324a No.16288171
yo mark, why did you sell this board to mr. corporation overlord?
9df196 No.16288203
>>16288171
>sage thread because you think it's a bait/shill thread
>come back a day later to bump it
c9324a No.16288207
>>16288203
anyone is doing it
so who gives a fuck
5beed6 No.16288313
>>16288207
That's the attitude of human trash. Fix it or fellate a shotgun.
fb7f51 No.16288813
>>16287183
May you and the followers of convenience and efficiency burn in a raging fire. I could list many other factors such as having something tangible that you paid money for and seeing that physical object and it's representation. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't understand this since it is a concept only white people understand. Second, servers can also fail, your harddrive can fail, I know mine did. People always say that old games get broken, yet many of the consoles and games I've owned still work to this day, so are the game discs and the cartridges. While to an extent it is true that having a DRM-free raw copy of the game is likely to be the ultimate ownership of the thing since you can make multiple copies and can be put in any device that would can be held in storage, I would still like the option of making it physical and represent a box with artstyle. The issues of obligating me to pay for internet, download a third party store and be always online to download a game which takes up massive amount of storage (games are now passing 100GB) is ridiculous. Let me guess, now you're going to ignore those problems and tell me to pay even more money to buy an extra HDD right? Fuck out of here, kike.
d61c55 No.16288872
>no drm
>has uncensored loli games
A man can dream.
84c872 No.16289142
>>16287808
>reliable
>implying
DMC5 fucking shipped with a DRM-free executable, you obtuse cunt.
>>16287622
>he thinks chink government can't ship their own pozzed CA certs on chinks' devices and eavesdrop
>>16286038
>If Nintendo came to my house tomorrow
they'd never do that ya dingus. they'd most realistically go down other routes to gimp your experience in some abusive, yet legal way:
>banned from Nintendo's online services
>banned from eShop
>game's online features are disabled
etc. hell, in the worst case scenario they could try banning the cart from being played, akin to a CD key ban.
>>16288813
>May you and the followers of convenience and efficiency burn in a raging fire
<I want games to remain artificially scarce for my own self-satisfaction
>having something tangible
you keep using your stupid disks. I'll keep using my flashcart which I can replace without rebuying my games
>Second, servers can also fail, your harddrive can fail
<what are backups
<ignoring game media can also break/degrade/go missing/be stolen
>I would still like the option of making it physical and represent a box with artstyle
subjective opinion. not an argument. >muh collecshun
>The issues of obligating me to pay for internet, download a third party store and be always online to download a game which takes up massive amount of storage
If you'd bothered to read what I posted, you'd know I just want digital to confer the same rights as physical while keeping its own advantages. stop putting words in my mouth, I never expressed any support any of those things you mention, or the kikery that's taken hold of the industry.
0b5cf7 No.16289307
>use steam as a baseline
>cull the actual garbage stuff like asset flips, low-quality meme games, etc.
>improve the filtering so you can hide stuff you don't want to see
>stop kicking stuff off for being too lewd
>option to download just an installer like GoG lets you, for people with lower-end machines
It would be a good start, at least. I don't buy much in the way of digital games anyway.
86e8c1 No.16289310
Fuck it I'm mad at Valve again, they're wasting time on fucking Brain implants and not repairing the absolutely fucked state of TF2
2e95e8 No.16289328
>>16289310
why the fuck would i want brain implants if theres nothing worth playing with them?
e0b9ca No.16289332
>>16289310
How do you repair an online multiplayer game? That's like ground zero for cancer.
2e95e8 No.16289339
>>16289332
think of it this way, if they succeed theyll prove anything is possible.
bb8cbd No.16289342
>>16289328
The implants are to forcefully make you like the shitty games, anon. A permanent antidepressant.
86e8c1 No.16289358
>>16289332
>How do you repair an online multiplayer game?
Literally All You'd Have To Do To Fix TF2: A Bulleted List
1. Axe "Casual Matchmaking"
2. Revert Sandman Nerf outside of MVM It was overnerfed to compensate for how fucking broken the cleaver was
3. STOP WITH THE MANDATORY VALVE SERVER PARTICIPATION
4. Retire contracts, or heavily rework them, it's an objectively worse system than achievements, and in the case of halloween, objectively worse for item distribution.
5. Revert Ambassador nerf, yes getting clipped in the head while your faggot ass is rocket jumping and shattering your ankles sucks, that's not a reason to nerf it.
6. (And this might not even be necessary at this point) Revert the change in the Hatless update that broke servers attaching items to players, because of people whining about muhunusuals
2e95e8 No.16289367
>>16289342
at that point why have the video games?
just for the corps to compete and see who can sell the most crap?
bb8cbd No.16289377
>>16289367
To convince those not part of the construct to join it. They'll see how much fun everyone else is having with their mind-chip-video games and voluntarily surrender.
6e270c No.16289566
2e95e8 No.16289711
>>16289377
i want to have fun. how will i resist?
72304c No.16289887
>>16284055
>>16284052
You fags saying you would prefer GameStop?
5b772b No.16289955
>>16284044
Literally just have steam give out installers like GoG does, and stop deplatforming shit just because a bunch of shitters are whining about it.
>tfw even the current state of steam is too much to ask from modern game publishers
06ffe2 No.16289997
>>16284044
simple. I can play my games without needing to have a shitty program open
45f981 No.16290051
One where I pay for a game, download it, and play. Without launchers, DRMs or accounts. A "store" not a "service".
d3692c No.16290067
>>16289887
>if you don't like my jewish system you have to accept my other jewish system
>there are no other options in existence
>my brain is incapable of comprehending anything but a false dichotomy
72304c No.16290322
>>16290067
There are no other options in existence.
253281 No.16290354
>>16289142
>DMC5
>revenues
How much did it make so far? 120 millions? Fortnite did 2400 millions in 2018. Why? First, you can't pirate Fortnite.
d3692c No.16290378
>>16290322
1. You're objectively wrong.
2. That's not what was asked.
31616a No.16290421
65524a No.16290426
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16290354
What a fucking amateur.
84c872 No.16290840
>>16290354
>"games need DRM to make money. top scoring games have 100% reliable DRM"
>game gets good scores and does well in first 18 days despite lack of DRM
I expected an argument, not moving the goalposts
19fcda No.16293083
>>16284426
that's trash and you should feel bad. unironically seek mental help
c3014d No.16293361
>>16284506
Wouldn't that be backing up to a DVD/blu-ray disc?
So you download a game, and it's physical media is an HDD. Or you download a game and back it up to an external hard drive, it's physical media is an external hard drive. And so forth.
I think the main thing is whether or not people are building PCs with blu-ray drives on them or just skipping that and resorting to USB flash drives, etc.
I don't want to defend digital stores because the way its implemented is cancer though.
c3014d No.16293396
>>16289142
>DMC5 fucking shipped with a DRM-free executable, you obtuse cunt.
This wasn't DRM-free. It was accidentally released with a Denuvo-free executable on a testing branch (which in order to access you had to use the Steam console and track down the download ID), but it still used Steamworks.
475a01 No.16295099
>>16284080
Steam doesn't protect free speech at all.
000000 No.16295105
>>16284044
GoG. Watching the kikes sperg out here proves that it's doing something right.
ff64e5 No.16295223
bfbdc9 No.16299353
>>16284044
A vault option is neat
Also DRM free
3705eb No.16300168
>>16295105
Ofcourse GOG is doing something right. Publishers hate them for it.
b3206d No.16300223
>>16289887
They are hipsters.
Just tell them to ship their (you)s in the mail.
3857db No.16308838
>>16284052
dunno why u like physical so much
regional pricing saves me a lot of money, cuz if I want to buy physical in my country I have to pay 70-80 eu, when I can get it for 60 digitally
3857db No.16308854
>>16308838
>>16284052
its very costly cuz of tariffs and shops adding to the price to make profits and my country is in eurozone ffs
e7389b No.16309845
You will beat steam hands down if you have three things
Steam's core feature-set (social features, friend inviting ect.)
The ability to integrate games purchased from other online stores into your desktop application. Focus on steam especially.
Giving devs a better cut without exclusivity deals.
bonus points if you have no DRM. Double bonus points if you make it easy to turn your digital games into "physical" games via some kind of backup to external media.
42934f No.16309855
in year and half when Epic reaches parity with Steam you will be begging for Steam to introduce similar quality control
9d6cb9 No.16309903
>>16309876
did you just assume my nationality?
time to ban this idiot for unpatriotic behavior
2ad43d No.16309904
>>16309845
GOG does every one of those things, and their Galaxy client for handling social shit is completely optional, and you can turn shit off if you don't like it (like achievements, friends lists, community pages, etc).
f73c7f No.16309918
>>16300223
>Mark of the beast
>The massive network of networks that is the internet is also known as "THE BEAST"
>checkmark literally symbolizing many as approved and loyal agents of globalist powers who are dedicated to an agenda of corrupting humanity
Really gets activates those almonds.
59c144 No.16323230
Anyone got the image of explaining what the epic launcher does to your pc?
3aa55f No.16323255
>>16309918
>The massive network of networks that is the internet is also known as "THE BEAST"
Who the fuck refers to the internet as the beast?
2a5e94 No.16323362
>Large list of magnet links with descriptive text and game-specific loli mascots in the background
>All games are strictly free
>Developers get put in stocks and have tomatoes thrown at them for being cucks
>Producer Jews wish they were so lucky
Impolite sage because you're thread an shite.
91fe07 No.16330248
fa4ce1 No.16330998
>>16284044
>perfect digital store
Sure
68ec1b No.16331196
My perfect digital store is Steam 10 years ago before Russians and Australians fucked everything up.
68ec1b No.16331238
>>16309904
>and their Galaxy client for handling social shit is completely optional
Not so anymore, there are games that now require Galaxy. Diablo and Warcraft II for example both require Galaxy to use the multiplayer features, otherwise you get offline only. That's only two examples, there are others. Galaxy is only SORT OF optional.
It's true that you can get a GOG installer to play Diablo or War 2 without galaxy, but the installer for those versions only allow you to play offline. But there's no reason to not install Galaxy anyway. Even if it detects GOG games that you don't own it doesn't disable them, it just notes that you have software that it can't detect you owning installed, and so it won't update it. The "games a service" that Gabe Newell talked about.
Steam too won't outright ban you for running pirated software either, provided you:
1> don't modify the Steam client to run it
2> don't be an idiot and post "hurr hurr, I pirated it, why is this game not working"
3> advocate or distribute piracy in the public discussion forums
Seriously, I've ran plenty of cracked Steam games without ever closing the Steam client and my account is in perfect standing. What I never did was run into an issue and go on the discussion forum for said game, and go "HEY, WHY IS MY PIRATED COPY OF THIS GAME NOT WORKING RIGHT!?" Steam won't ban/suspend/punish you so long as you remember that their obligation is that once you publicly make notice that you're pirating or advocating pirating games, you're now violating the terms of service. Otherwise they turn a blind eye to that.
Also even if your Steam account does get banned/suspended, you can still access your games. It's only if your account gets disabled that you'd lose access, and that only happens if you do something really retarded like buy games on Steam then immediately chargeback the money you just paid.
You know what services ban you for just about anything, and give you no way to get your account back except rebuying all your games? Origin, Epic, Uplay…
GOG has its purpose, and Steam has its purpose. What's funny to me is people start talking around here like Epic is going to become the big baller shot caller or some shit like that, but if you look at any kind of consensus, over 90% of gamers basically say they wouldn't use Epic even if you were to pay them to use it. Their service is awful for consumers, there's no consumer reviews, no public discussions, and when there will be either of those things, they'll be opt-in at discretion of publishers only. That's shady as fuck. And there's the data mining, which has been corroborated by more than just a few people including software analysts. It's the great wall of video games, and Tencent can go fuck themselves. One final note: If you hate Steam, you likely never played PC games before Steam started offering third-party software.
68ec1b No.16331315
>>16331297
Why the fuck are you downloading an LTS? And why Ubuntu? There are so many distros to choose from, and you choose Ubuntu LTS…
bc19bb No.16331322
>>16331315
>implying that is even my screenshot
>implying there is anything wrong with ubuntu LTS
68ec1b No.16331333
>>16331322
A new version every 6-12 months means that any security vulnerabilities/exploits that appear in the interim you are vulnerable to until the next LS update. LTS is meant for business solutions that have IT departments that can't be updating all the time, not for a regular user like yourself.
bc19bb No.16331338
>>16331333
wow we've got a real linux pro over here. thanks for the protip, champ
ab3725 No.16331351
>>16331238
Chink plan is buying out all sellers to use their venue for a sum of money they can't say no to then simply wait out the competition as they starve. Epic gets it's numbers from the UE4 engine since it's obligatory so they can always pretend it's because of Epic itself. Pretty standard chink business practice.
>But there's no reason to not install Galaxy anyway
Except the part where you go to GOG specifically because you don't want any of your games tied to a client for online multiplayer. Luckily Diablo has sourceports and mods readily available so the GOG version is for suckers, and suckers only.
466aa9 No.16331355
>>16331333
>muh updates
Ubuntu is dogshit, but so are you for expressing such a retarded opinion. Can't stand niggers like you who imply that updates are in any way necessary.
da54c1 No.16331358
>>16331338
just wanted to come in this thread to call you a sour looking bitch boy okay thank u
68ec1b No.16331413
>>16331351
The push back is so real that it won't work anyway. For small time companies, yeah maybe, but for say Microsoft, Bethesda, etc, they won't be pushed around with that kind of predatory practice. Gearbox likes to pretend they're a big publishing company, but they don't put out anywhere near enough games to really be a big company, not to mention they've had their CEO embezzling funds for decades now and he's up for all kinds of charges including child porn. So Randy is desperate for that defense attorney money.
That said, all the YouTube channels are basically bashing the shit out of the Epic store, so even if a few killer apps come out on Epic, if they're exclusive, then they'll not get a lot of people to buy it on there because YouTubers are telling people the word on why the Epic store is bad. Chink tactics vs the influence of their favorite YouTubers, most retards are followers and will realize why they shouldn't use it. Of course, then Epic will claim that there must be rampant piracy that explains why no one's buying. But it won't work. No one will empathize or sympathize with them anyway.
7b650f No.16334579
GOG store before it turned into SJW cancer
cd017b No.16335255
God I absolutely adore GOG.
Its videogames literally the way I started playing them in the late 90s. No social media, achievements, trading cards and whatever else the industry has invented to make money with in the last 20 years.
Just the goods plain and fair.
613dd9 No.16340554
74e06f No.16340582
>>16335255
Careful friend, your preference might engender you to some accusations of being a rational person.
9df196 No.16340628
>>16335255
I'd like them too if they didn't cuck to SJW whining so often
e0b9ca No.16340787
>>16340582
>supporting the SJWs at GOG
>rational
6b53bc No.16340903
>>16340628
I guess nothing is perfect. If its legal you sell it. Politics should not come into it.
0f8d5c No.16342244
No blatant EPIK MAYMAYS
no mod abuse
no way to lose my games permanently, the library would always be available even if I'm blocked from the social aspect for being mean or whatever
dae1e6 No.16342250
>>16340787
They do the business as it should be.
466aa9 No.16342288
>>16342250
>firing an employee for making a tweet that offended some trannies is 'business as it should be'
Go back to reddit, niggerkike.
dae1e6 No.16342347
>>16342288
Selling a game where you can install and play on any computer is business as it should be, kike.
466aa9 No.16342376
>>16342347
So you have no rebuttal to the fact that (((GOG))) has kike-tier business practices of firing employees who don't go along with tranny/kike dogma?
Low-tier shilling, Shlomo.
dae1e6 No.16342391
>>16342376
Their (((politics))) has nothing to do with their business model, which is what vidya distribution should be, kike.
466aa9 No.16342396
>>16342391
>it's okay to support companies who fire employees for offending trannies ever
No. Go back to reddit.
6b8201 No.16342404
>>16342391
>Their (((politics))) has nothing to do with their business model,
>politics don't effect business
67b8f8 No.16342432
Steam is probably now about 50% asset flips
it is not a "storefront", its trashyard where bums are selling their loot
9cbbbf No.16343131
>>16342391
>Their (((politics))) has nothing to do with their business model
HA HA HA HA, you fucking wish.
01b092 No.16344012
I can't even get the epic store to work, all the application does is load up a blank screen.
0a7d41 No.16351129
>>16284044
No digital store is the perfect digital store
No client is the best client
>>16284052
fpbp
0a7d41 No.16351198
>>16289887
Gamestop is a much better company than Valve, GOG, Epic, etc, since they actually give you something in return for your money. I still hate them though because they could have saved PC gaming from the cancer that is Valve and digital distribution by heavily promoting physical copies on PC and publishing DRM free physical copies for PC when Valve was pushing Steam but they didn't.
>>16284578
>People want a DRM-free digital download store that transfers actual ownership rights to the purchasers.
No, I want a DRM free physical copy. If I am going to get a download then I will pirate. There is no ownership rights for digital distribution, you only get a license to download, if you lose your ability to download then you lose what you paid for, it doesn't matter if you can keep what you downloaded.
Paying for digital distribution should not be a thing. A proper physical copy doesn't exist or you don't care about physical copies? You should pirate then.
>>16285037
>physical games are only "LICENSED, NOT SOLD". you'd do well to remember physical games are not immune to being taken away either, look at Darkspore, or online CD key checks.
That isn't a physical copy then, and digital distribution is the prerequisite for them to be able to revoke access. Using your logic, an itunes card is a physical copy which it isn't, therefore a "physical release" of a game like Darkspore is not a physical copy either.
There is no problem with digital rights, it is a completely different model that you faggots voted for when you accepted it. You only get a license to download, it doesn't matter if you can keep what you download, if you lose your ability to download from their "special" server then you lose what you gave them money for. You can't buy games digitally, it doesn't exist and isn't possible, you can only pay for a download license. Digital distribution is inherently anti consumer.
It doesn't matter what the companies say about physical copies, all that matters is reality and the law, reality matters far more. EULA only matters when legally applicable, it is legally applicable for digital distribution because they can easily and legally take your ability to download, if they take your ability to download then you lost what you gave them money for
As long as it is an actual physical copy with the playable game that doesn't require an update and doesn't require official server authorization then the EULA means nothing since it can't be revoked because to revoke it they would have to get the government to raid your house to revoke the physical copy you paid for which they can't do.
>i s-s-swear physical copies are only a license the same as digital, (((Gabe))) said so!
Is what they want you to think. You can sign a EULA that says you are now my slave, it isn't legally applicable so that EULA doesn't mean anything just like EULAs for actual physical copies don't mean anything.
>you don't own the IP
I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP of something just because they bought a copy, that is a retarded thing to say and you faggots know it, it is just you digital distribution cucks grasping for straws. I don't own the IP to my car but my individual car is mine, I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP to their car just because they own one. I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP to a physical book, they do own a physical copy though. I have never seen anyone claim to own the IP of anything just because they own a copy.
>>16286502
Those aren't physical copies.
>>16284209
I already do that to back up my pirated games and the physical copies I have, no need to give money to rent seekers like GOG or Steam to do so. No physical = they don't get my money.
>>16284081
You can't buy games on Steam, paying for a download license is not buying a game.
>Steam games
Do you call an apple you get at Walmart a "Walmart apple"?
e0b9ca No.16351213
>>16351198
So basically you only support AAA trash? Indie devs don't have the money to waste on a physical print of everything.
e900aa No.16351228
>>16351198
GOG and any DRM free digital which you can backup endlessly with no limits and copy them to physical storages is 10 times better than any physical copy stuck to that only copy with no backup avaiable
You're an autistic cunt and Gamestop is much worse than any digital storefront, the fact that they pushed for DLC and online passes makes them worse than any digital storefront.
1e36f8 No.16351277
>What does a perfect digital store look like for you?
No bloat
Minimalist social features
Minimalist storefront
The ability to always work offline with no fear some weird DRM quirk is going to fuck you over when your internet is down
That's all I want. Something simple, something that just works. For some reason people just can't comprehend that.
ab3725 No.16351345
>>16351213
> Indie devs don't have the money to waste on a physical print of everything.
Yeah right.
If it's not a scam designed to milk money from suckers on Patreon it's always because they waste money on graphics and spend almost nothing, not even their time, on anything else from poor planning. Guys like you think prices are universal and what you see is what you get, but no that's not how shit works what you do is start fucking networking and hunting down the best prices yourself. You don't start after you receive Kickstart money or Patreon bucks you make a plan of action before you even think of what you're going to sell and basically spend all your time not developing the game hunting and bargaining for things to make your game cheaper or finding ways to shill for it intelligently. Indies don't do this shit and that's why they can't afford anything.
dd137b No.16351353
>>16284052
Physical is the only acceptable answer.
Fuck 80 GB downloads. This shit's why I do Fitgirl.
8e4bd7 No.16351393
>>16351228
Not worth paying for since you don't actually own it. At that point you might as well just pirate and donate directly to the devs instead of giving money to middlemen and copyright trolls who almost always have nothing to do with the actual production of the game. When I pay money for a game, if I pay money for a game, it is for the physical object that I can actually own.
34ddc6 No.16351437
>>16284044
>Better cuts to devs that will be split 50% to the costumer. So rather than 70/30 it will be 85/15 and all games will be 7,5% cheaper on said store compared to Steam
that's not how economics works m8, games will still be 60 shekels regardless of how much of a cut the middleman takes
36e263 No.16351668
>>16284052
>tfw most small game store businesses don't last long because most normalfags don't want to buy old games anymore
>tfw exclusively game stores are basically non-existent now, and usually have to sell movies or alblums as well, barely making ends meet
>tfw that comfy atmosphere of talking with the cashier over old games will never be replicated, and now the only interaction people have is buying an old game off a tweaker on eBay
I always attempt to support any local game stores I find, as they're becoming a dying breed. Off topic, why do they all seem to smell like pez dispensers?