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>>16273297

I don't know the specifics, OP, but I play FFXIV and I've seen a marked increase of "WoW refugees" and they all seem to cite BFA being complete garbage as a catalyst for the jump.

>>16273297

I wouldn't play if I were paid.

>>16273364

What am I checking?

>>16273506

Alright that explains the weekend freebie. It's kind of exciting to see Blizzard getting desperate.

>>16273564

These dubs

>>16273544

>everyone saw

I was in the closed beta for bfa and I was one of many people posting in the forums that everything here is a mess. Blizzard both knew and didn't care. The entire game has been shit for years and some how seems to get worse with every expack release, it's astonishing.

What honestly makes it so much worse from all the other terrible expansions that they're finally quitting? It can't be that bad, can it?

>>16273581

Yeah, I heard of a lot of people in the beta who gave out a shit ton of criticism, all of which went ignored and they just insisted "it's fine"

Then it wasn't, now they're panic-mode because their investors are getting uneasy about hemorrhaging money from their addict paypigs.

Acti-Blizzard deserves to burn to the ground.

>>16273593

It's some how worse than WoD

>the new "features" of the expack are so boring most of the community avoids doing them

>more spells and abilities removed from every class

>classes dumbed down even more

>tier sets removed in favor of armor with multiple boring passives you can pick from

>new armor requires you to grind levels on a necklace that takes forever to level and if you don't level it you can't use the new item passives

>pvp balance has gotten worse to the point where most classes and specs aren't viable

>raids are the worst they've ever been

>mythic + is just buffed mythic dungeons with a timer and the occasional gimmick

>world quests are just dailies with a different interface

>for the three people that care, lore is literally being handled by a feminist now and is going as well as you would expect

Playing it right now.

>make trial character

>watch cut scene

>stand around while npcs complete "war"

>run to next cut scene

>npcs talk for 20 min

>push a few buttons

>watch cut scene

>run to next cut scene

>npcs talk

>run to portal that takes you to the next talking npc

>watch cut scene

>talk to npc

>fly to next cut scene

>watch cut scene

>run to npcs

>they talk

>fly to next event

At what point do you actually play something?

>>16273564

To add on top of that, I think they're terrified. Tomorrow FFXIV's Tokyo fanfest is happening where they're hyping up the new expansion (With things people are actually looking forward to). The timing of this free weekend can't be an accident.

>>16273645

I feel like this could describe any expansion after TBC so really it just leaves me even more confused and I get the feeling the game itself isn't pissing people off so much as its Blizzard's attitude as a whole lately.

>>16273828

It's not necessarily any worse than the other expansions, cuckboys are just not happy they don't have enough pointless new chores to do.

>>16273828

As a recovering battered wife, the game up to Cataclysm wasn't like this, even Pandaria wasn't cutscenefest. This started on Metzen leaving around WOD after again, no one liked his self insert stealing kills from us, and him removing slutty armor because his feminist daughter started being a cunt whispering in his ear. The lore since Pandaland has also been handled by Christie Golden a self inserting sjw with dick hatred and daddy issues and the story has devolved into making all males incapable of war or even coherent sentences except of course Baine Bloodhoof the already beta tauren. Classes getting murdered into unplayable and allied "races" are just reskins that cost weeks of prerequisites and/or 35$ to swap to. It's all a fucking mess.

>>16274223

>weeks of prerequisites

Let me guess, it's dailies isn't it? I remember when that shit was introduced and I told people it would make grinding way worse than it ever was because they would put a hard cap on what you can do per day and nobody believed me. This isn't like the base game with its however many days cooldown on transmutations where you can just get someone else to do another one or get an alt or whatever. This is flat out the developers going full USSR and punishing people who want to actually play their fucking game. It's so fucking stupid though I guess anyone who was still giving them money at that point deserved it.

>>16274245

Gated dailies, gated reputation grind, gated item gathering from raids (as far as I remember in legion when I finally had enough)

>>16274245

Yeah it's dailies. There are a few things you can incidentally do to speed it up slightly, but the dailies are the only guaranteed, consistent method of rep gain.

>>16273828

WOTLK wasn't that bad, a bit more casual and easier but still the same game at heart. It was Cata where they began the massive changes.

>>16274298

Leveling up a death knight that first month or so on release was the most fun I had in the game but everything at 80 was just god fucking awful and I heard it only got worse after Ulduar. I never even bothered.

>>16274267

>No real reductions from legion.

A lot of specs needed what their artifact brought to the table to be viable such as Guardian druids. You're not defending BfA you're just giving reasons why WoW has been shit since Legion/WoD.

And kul'tiran humans are a travesty, especially the women. Why can't they do thicc without going fat and fugly? Is it the imagined/manufactured backlash against skinny Mei?

>>16274315

The balanced got worse, but the classes didn't get dumbed down or have skills removed. The skills from the artifact weapon just became normal skills.

>Why can't they do thicc without going fat and fugly?

because that is what thicc means

Also not trying to defending BFA, just pointing out how some of this was already active in legion or even WoD so doesn't explain why people are leaving.

>>16274303

Ulduar was definitely the highpoint. ToC was meh but ICC was pretty good. Too bad there was nearly a year between ICC and Cata.

What did you dislike about WOTLK compared to BC/Vanilla that you found it god awful?

>>16274245

It's like I said before, the game is entirely monopolized by turbo-normalfaggots that have jobs and kids, and yet somehow still find their lives so unfulfilling that they must escape to WoW. Blizzard, somewhat logically at first, thought "Well these suckers are the ones with the most stable income so we should pander to them." However they've gone off the deep end with this mindset, and we are quite obviously far past the point where most standard deviations of "hardcore players" are bothering to put up with their ever-increasing limits on progress and elimination of mechanics for the sake of convenience or making the game easier.

>>16274335

At launch Wrath was embarrassingly barren and what was there was either piss easy or scripted to all shit and back. Hell, it felt like half the dungeons had me spending more time waiting for some NPC to shut their fucking mouth than it did me actually fighting anything and when I did finally get to they'd die in like 20 seconds. What's the point of making fast content when you keep getting less and less of it? In hindsight it got me to quit the game so there's that but still.

>>16274350

I figured you'd say the ease of it, yeah that was a big let down. Scripting varied, some like that one Halls dungeon with the dwarf was fucking awful. He took forever to open the door. ToC was a bitch too, every fight had like 30 seconds of RP beforehand which I think you had to watch again if you wiped. ICC at least made that shit optional with I believe the exception of the airship fight.

>>16274358

Oh, and Arthas, but I am willing to forgive that for the big baddie of the game. Illidan had that too.

>>16274350

>scripting

This bullshit is why I couldn't stand the questing after BC.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that ever liked more than 1 or 2 quests before the new model, but you what's worse than collecting 20 spider eyes? Shooting spiders with a tank that you can only fire when an NPC gives you the signal to fire.

LET ME PLAY THE FUCKING GAME

FUCK YOUR CORNY ASS STORY

I DON'T WANT TO PLAY AS A GIMMICK VEHICLE

LET ME PLAY MY CLASS

YES I'M STILL MAD 10 YEARS LATER

>>16274375

You mean you don't want to play as a vehicle in this sword and magic MMO?

That shit started in BC with the "fly over and drop this bomb quests" but at least they were rather quick and far between, like one per zone excluding the one daily quest. Seems blizzard always does tries something out in a small dose then takes it too far later it got fucking worse in cata and moreso pandaland, both vehicles and scripted events

>>16274390

Yeah I'm aware. That's when I quit.

The leveling was always what I loved most about the game. The whole process of gaining power and the different flavors the game would take on with different classes getting big jumps in power at different levels and the different experiences and group dynamics that would create across multiple playthroughs.

It WAS great. Now everybody can play the same class with the same abilities and the same damage output with no meaningful customization in talents.

>>16273297

>>16273828

Anon there was an autist that considered WoW dead when they did the model change because he got off to the shitty skins of the girls. By those standards it's easy to understand just how bad the expansion is.

>>16274405

>That's when I quit.

in cata that is

>>16274405

Not only that but the entire game is level scaled, mobs, quests, zones, rewards, loot, everything. You can dungeon with people 20+ or 20-.

>>16273550

speaking of getting paid, i read that when method, the tippity top raiding guild, did the latest raid for the first time, it was so buggy that they had to use exploits to beat the boss because it was impossible to do properly due to the bugs

>>16274430

oh, and this wasn't in the beta

or the alpha

>>16274443

So it was actually fun?

>>16274451

nah it wasn't fun

they're "career raiders" in every sense of the words

>>16274454

So it was those kinds of bugs.

>>16274429

That's not how it works, it scales in groups.

Vanilla scaled from min-60

TBC+WOTLK scaled from min-80 with the absolute min being 58

Cata+Panda min-90 with the aboslute min being 80

WoD was min-100 absolute min being 90

Legion was all 100-110

BFA is all 110-120

Each zone (except for Legion and BFA) has a min, outland isn't all 58-80 only hellfire, Shadowmoon Valley is I think 68-80 or something

Also, the dungeons are similar you can't dungeon with people 20+ or 20-, but people within your group. So a level 15 can do VC with a level 60 but a level 55 cannot do Strath with a level 70 as it caps at 60. The 70 could carry him through the dungeon, but that's been in the game since vanilla.

>>16274441

You misunderstand it, since there are caps on scaling.

Here's the best part though, unlke GW2 which scales you down to the mobs, decreasing your stats, WoW increases the mobs to your level increasing their stats. The mobs end up getting more of a power gain than you do every level, so if you are not getting enough gear to make up for that difference you get weaker every level up. Granted if you have hierlooms this is not an issue.

I actually like scaling though

>>16274441

Stupid fucks like this are hilarious. If their nation ever went full Bolshevik, they'd be among the first to go.

>>16274328

Blizzard is shooting themselves in the foot though. No one wants to play with losers who can't into make believe. Fantasy games are all about fantasy and escapism. People want play as their idealized version of themselves or their idealize version of a hero, and they want to feel powerful by smashing epic shit. The want to be the best. The players players that Blizzard has cultivated are so insecure that they feel threatened by characters in a video game, and need to have their egos reinforced by having their own likeness put into the game so they can feel equal. They're nuts.

Blizzard created a cancer farm and now they have cancer. I'm waiting for the huge player crash.

BFA? more like BTFO.

>>16274267

>No Real reductions from legion

that's where you're wrong.

First and foremost, they removed Artifact trait abilities, as well as some abilities for some specs. They did prune more for many specs that went in tandem with redesign.

Not only did the specs get abilities pruned but the complexity, if any at all, was removed. Legendaries, tier sets and the artifact was a big sugarcoat on the bland gameplay. With ALL of these removed, the only thing left is an incredibly bland rotation. Azerite Traits are incredibly boring passives that do nothing and hardly are the same.

>Grinding same as legion

It's actually worse. In Legion you placed resources to upgrade your artifact knowledge and, although gated, you would eventually make it trivial. Now the game completely gates the Artifact knowledge progression, so it "caps" at every expansion so people don't grind more than they want them to.

>World Quests are the same as legion, this is true. In legion however you actually gained heaps of honor and gold out of them. Here you win jack shit, no WQ is worth doing besides AP ones.

You're wrong, this is not the same as Legion.

>>16274683

I play on Shiva, which was an average sized mostly kraut server, but as I go about doing my daily shit I tend to see a lot of sprouty bois, especially in dungeons. Still wondering if I'm going to stick to Light or Chaos, though.

>>16274829

>muh nostalgia

>>16275013

>>16274949

Yeah from what I've done its the same shit. Its essentially a daily grind for things that will not matter in the next expac. I can't tell you how many times I fell asleep just trying to get gear, lvl, or just get through the campaign. I think I played BFA for less than 2 weeks before I quit.

I think in hindsight I preferred Metzen's bullshit "corruption" for everything. It was at least an attempt to give justification for their actions and reason to take them out.

But in an effort to steer away from that tired excuse, they just started turning characters into cartoon heroes and villains.

>>16275110

It's pretty much pro wrestling with all the heel and face turns. Except no where near as entertaining.

>>16273297

But it still is WoW, and thus, shit. There are plenty of free good games to play instead of wasting time with any of Blizzard's pieces of shit.

>>16275285

Grim Dawn expansion is looking mighty fine right now.

>>16273828

TBC was primitive as fuck gameplay wise though. All the abilities were useless for PVE. As a warlock, all you did was sac succubus and spam shadow bolt. No rotations. Just mindless spam.

>>16274298

The thing is, Cata was really good at launch. Things took more thought, the content was fresh and interesting, and it wasn't WoTLK levels of mind numbing. Then they nerfed fun.

>>16274949

>story is garbage surprising no one, but its faction war bullshit was one of the expac's main selling points

Who cares about the story? The bigger travesty is in this pvp focused expac there is not a single world pvp objective.

>>16275366

Yeah, though even at launch the questing was very handholding. One quest to another quest. Granted, wow had been on that path since BC but even WOTLK allowed a bit more choice than cata zones. The signs of casualing were there.

>>16275411

Leveling content ceased being something anyone cared about with the release of TBC, hell, maybe earlier. Cata had decent endgame content and that's all that mattered to anyone playing the game at the time.

>>16275435

>Leveling content ceased being something anyone cared about with the release of TBC

I disagree, but regardless it shows that mindset of blizzard. Make things easy, simple and quick. Endgame being hard was a fluke.

>>16274470

>You misunderstand it, since there are caps on scaling.

Yeah, 1-60, 60-80, etc. That sure makes it all better, fuckface.

>>16275318

It wasn't and you never played it.

>>16273297

Where's classic, retards?

>>16275435

leveling is no fun because they haven't maintained it well. too much focus on "end game" and not enough focus on the game as a whole.

Am I the only one who liked Cata? When cata ended I went back to private servers to stay in cata. Everything went more downhill after that xpac, the pvp and community were still really good during that time.

>>16276217

The community was trash ever since the South Park episode. Don't delude yourself.

>>16276251

>Or a rogue that can use shadow clones or be a dodge tank and use abilities to avoid dying upon being nuked like some sorta dumb after image ninja shit.

FFXI did this by complete accident.

>>16273506

>>16274683

Joined FFXIV from a thread here a few months back and went into a recommended low pop server for the exp gain, First thing im asked is if a WoW refugee when i join a FC. Actually a SWTOR faggot.

The following days later, i start noticing users with names like >>16274932 or Blizzard/WoW Refugee names who are all sprouts and shit players like me.

I mean they might be faking it but thats dedication.

>>16280754

The only game I've seen do scaling even remotely correctly was FFXI and even then it wasn't really scaling at all. You just synched your level to another person and got some residual experience for your real current level.

>>16280774

gw1, gw2 (although they went retarded with level numbers back when they tried to be wow), eso, rift although it was clunky, TOR does it too now I think.

ff14 has the worst version of scaling, not only adds it overhead since you have to adjust skill progression to scaling and shit instead of just applying a numerical modifier, as a player it means you have to fuck with rotations and skill just because you do a lower level dungeon.

>>16280799

fuck me, read that as 14, not 11.

>>16280754

but why should kobolds be level 50 when they were level 3 a few weeks ago and level 3 players are fighting those level 50 kobolds and having just as easy a time as if they were level 3?

>>16280929

The game still even has world pvp? I figured they're officially locked it off to the little esports friendly instanced playpens.

>>16273506

wowfugees are bringing the same dumbass snarky mentality from blizztard's turd to FF14, it's fucking annoying in the official forums are getting hijacked by these faggots.

>>16273506

>>16280949

Do share, I like online game horror stories.

>>16280832

>why should elementals be level 50 when they were level 3 a few weeks ago and level 3 players are fighting those level 50 elementals and having just as easy a time as if they were level 3?

reskinning shit has been done for ages, in the end that just's numbers. also scaling doesn't mean there's no progression

not to mention power levels mean fuck all when you can getting stepped on by a fucking dragon and just shrug it off.

>>16280754

No scaling is fine if the world is designed like Runescape where high levels and low levels are often doing the same things anyway, the issue is WoW and it's level based zones. No reason for someone at max to go to the first zone unless they are just helping a friend.

Scaling is just a bandage fix anyway, since there's still nothing the high level needs from that zone. Getting rid of levels all together would be more interesting.

>>16280799

FF14s scaling is one of the reasons I wont go back. Fuck that.

>>16280930

>I figured they're officially locked it off to the little esports friendly instanced playpens.

That's effectively what warmode is. You turn it on when you want to pvp in the BG known as Azeroth but can easily turn it off whenever.

>>16281151

FFXI had a nice inbetween where there's still levelled zones but also items that drop at any level which are usful still at any level, keeping the lowbies from feeling to disconnected from the high end players. Now before it sounds like I'm praising the game here I want everyone to know that game is honestly a massive piece of shit but it has quite a few nice decisions behind it I wish more games copied.

>>16281219

I was specifically referring to the way the game handles spells. You lose access to spells as you scale down, meaning everytime you change levels you have to look at what skills you have and what you're going to do with them.

>>16276251

Literally the only thing that could save their shitheap franchises is open sourcing, or making a modding api for independent developers to save them from themselves. IOW, there's no hope.

Their last gasp will be the vanilla (classic) release, which literally everyone will play for the first couple months, and then the company is pretty much done.

>>16281283

> for the first couple months

Not even I'm willing to bet. You'll get people playing it for a week, squeal like a bunch of faggots because they can't just buy max level and they'll either capitulate, killing the game, or they won't and it gets deserted anyway. It all sounds like a gambit so they'll be able so say "guess you guys didn't like vanilla after all ;)))".

Either that or they go full retard and turn it into some alternate timeline with completely different updates after vanilla is done with but I really, really doubt that will happen.

>>16281298

Don't count that out completely, OSR was a success and I wouldn't be surprised if acti-blizz pulled the same shit with classic now that retail might never recover.

>>16281321

What ended up happening to OSR?

>>16281298

I have little faith in their capabilities to either produce either an alternate timeline, or even re-releasing TBC. Considering their vanilla is going to be a stripped-down modern client, I'm sure it will be as incredibly bug-filled on release as BFA was. There's also no chance they're going to abandon their cloud infrastructure, which means huge groups like those seen on Nostalrius will grind their servers to a halt.

>>16281337

I just don't expect them to do it because it would be implicitly admitting the past 12 years were a mistake.

>>16274829

Go back and play original wow and you'll see how fun it still is.

I always thought charging a monthly rate and for each expansion was retarded and am amazed that people pay for both. How did Blizzard ever get away with it?

>>16281474

Because other games did it before.

>>16281330

Started out as runescape end of 2007 (including shit updates like the GE) and over time they started releasing new content for it, to the the point where it is no longer an accurate rendering of the game it was in 2007 so much as an alternate version of what the game was like in 2010. It has also had at least 1 gay pride event.

The anon you were replying to was speculating that Blizz might do the same thing since they'll need a way to keep players hooked.

>>16281479

Like what, everquest? Still amazes me people are willing to just throw money at a game like that.

>>16281521

Well, as far as I know EQ is free now but I don't know if that means B2P or what.

>>16281337

Those huge groups wont exist because Blizz is going to implement phasing and sharding into vanilla.

>>16281473

Man, the highest amount of subs FF14 ever had was almost 800k, it currently has maybe 500k active players. Wow is still by far the most popular mmo. I've almost never played Wow, I've played ff14 for 2 years, but people acting like ff14 is played by millions of people annoys me.

Wow and FF14 don't even share the same potential playerbase.

>>16281932

>Wow and FF14 don't even share the same potential playerbase.

That's not even remotely true. The wowbabies have been coming to ffxiv in droves after bfa dropped. They've been complaining on forums about content not being completely brain dead and shit has been getting nerfed left and right. The stamana bar is getting removed with the potential of all jobs getting simplified in 5.0.

>>16275110

the thrall skin is just a hots nonsense throw away, not actual lore. Same with dreadlord jaina

>>16281151

>the issue is WoW and it's level based zones. No reason for someone at max to go to the first zone unless they are just helping a friend.

that's why I said if the devs are smart, but

>blizz

>smart

they were only ever good enough to polish someone else's turd, and even lost that ability years ago.

Is FFXIV any good? I played after the reboot and quit after the end game grind because tedious.

>>16282715

It's the same daily grind horseshit every post WoW MMO ended up being. If that sounds like your cup of tea then have at it.

>>16282734

So nothings changed then? Reason I quit in the first place.

>>16282740

If anything I've heard it's only gotten worse really. No clue though to be honest.

>>16273645

>the new "features" of the expack are so boring most of the community avoids doing them

Correct, and this is the big reason why BFA has been struggling. They're only really done for the rewards, rather than the experience. They've gotten slightly better since 8.0, but that's like saying that a shit that makes a bathroom unpleasant to go into for 15 minutes is better than a shit that makes an entire house stink for a day.

>more spells and abilities removed from every class

Depends on the class. I think Ferals ended up breaking even, having their Artifact ability turned into a talent, but acquiring an enrage dispel for utility.

>classes dumbed down even more

Again, depends on class. I've heard Shadow Priest got dumbed down a fair bit, and I believe Arms Warrior did as well. Feral is still JOHN FUCKING MADDEN tier

>tier sets removed in favor of armor with multiple boring passives you can pick from

Correction: Tier sets, Legendaries, and Artifact Weapons all removed in favor of said passives. I don't miss practically-mandatory tier bonuses, but Azerite armor has failed to really replace everything that was removed for it.

>new armor requires you to grind levels on a necklace that takes forever to level and if you don't level it you can't use the new item passives

Only really an issue at the beginning of a tier. After a month or so, you don't really need to spend that much time grinding it out to get all of the bonuses, much less the actually-important ones.

>pvp balance has gotten worse to the point where most classes and specs aren't viable

Don't really have a long hardcore pvp history, but I'm guessing "viable" means "Can easily break 2400". But I do recall balance being shit for most of WoW's history, at least from secondhand accounts.

>raids are the worst they've ever been

Nah. Uldir had some questionable design decisions, but I wouldn't call it Heart of Fear/Trial of the Crusader/Dragon Soul bad. Battle for Dazar'alor has some pretty decent encounters, although they really do like to abuse the "Split the raid into 2 groups" gimmick.

>mythic + is just buffed mythic dungeons with a timer and the occasional gimmick

Still a step up from Challenge Modes and dungeons being irrelevant for most of an expansion's cycle. Only real issue is that the dungeons feel balanced specifically around the system, effectively restraining interesting dungeon design, a la NuKarazhan before it got turned into a M+ dungeon.

>world quests are just dailies with a different interface

For the most part, yes. Whether or not they're better or worse can be debated.

>for the three people that care, lore is literally being handled by a feminist now and is going as well as you would expect

At least Gallywix is still fun

>>16283840

I feel your pain even though I have around 500h on tbc/wotlk private servers and never played retail.

>>16274107

lmao if anything there's too much to do and none of it is good

I find no reason to try this free weekend because I know for a fact that it's the exact same game with its 80th coat of paint of charging me 200+ dollars a year to develop content that I don't like. Any system that had even the remote chance of being an interesting addition to the game was given a pitty update the expansion it came out in and abandoned. Meaning that even though it's been about ten years since the launch of the game, the only content that matters or has gotten support in any way is Raiding. Which I do not like. And knowing that raiding is just a glorified skinner box and that Blizzard are retarded they definitely continued to pour years of development time and money into raids that are now absolutely useless aside from getting a unique looking item.

The game will get a dozen UI reworks, class balance changes and in depth overhauls for raids. But Professions, Reputations, and Social elements are probably only touched when something breaks. I'll fire up that launcher right fucking now if someone tells me that they've actually made improvements to player trading, but I know that the only thing they've possibly changed about that 2005 level embarrassment is possibly stealing some sorting mods functionality and put it into the game.

>>16292528

So they garbage writing is actually the touched up and improved version of the concept? I'd like to see the napkins they scribbled the first draft of this on.

>>16292532

I think it's just things like "Sylvanas must be evil" This is still fucking retarded because she indeed was evil from the very beginning but she went from calculative lawful evil to pants-on-the-head retarded chaotic evil that burns a fucking tree because of "MUH EMOTIONS

"Teldrassil must burn" "Explain that and fuck off", I think they said it in one of tha Q&A's.

>>16292539

Sylvanas had got to be one of the worst characters in all of video games. It's like a deviant art kid got 100 million bucks to make pure garbage.

>>16292528

Thing is, if the developer concepts weren't "touched up", it'd be a better story. Things would exist exclusively for the rule of cool.

>>16292545

>Rule of Cool

Those fuckers do not know how to invoke rule of cool properly, and raped every single concept from the lore. Their idea of "Rule of Cool" is making Jaina into an OP fuckwaddle Mary Sue that can randomly dispel blight for no fucking reason at all to turn a tide of a completely lost battle.

>graphics

>same shit

>story

>daddy proudmore bad, boohooo, trolls noble !

>gameplay

>clusterfuck

I have friends who still play this and it is just painful to watch them. They can't let go regardless of how bad it is.

>>16292576

You talking about WoW or the remake here?

its acutally pretty good, playing it since years.

this thing has more players now than previous (terrible) expansions, but this right now is pretty good and leveling is more full than ever

>>16292655

>More full than ever

>Nerfing all of conveniences and making it far fucking slower as well as buffing the mobs to irritating levels outright breaking the game in some instances is making the game more "full".

yes it makes it better, but some people see darkness in everything.

i like it how it is now, i absolute hated cata, mop, wod. Legion was better but still off

BFA is fine.

i also like it how i absolute pay zero for it (look at that TESO Crap), even the expansion was able to be bought via goldfarming, and with the latest exploits golds was easy

>>16292655

>>16292663

>>16292698

They really don't send their best.

man, dont judge, i know you like burn everything to the ground, but not everything has to be burned down

>>16292698

Hello blizzard, afraid of teso for some raisin?

>>16292923

BFA is shit. Played over the weekend. Absolutely disgusting the state of the game at this point and the story felt like it was composed by some fat, angsty high school girl with black lipstick.

actually its pretty fun

>>16292923

While true, if WoW isn't worth being burnt to the ground, then what is?

I can't even think of another MMO that's been so dedicated to not putting out a single update to its core systems, at least any one that managed to stay up.

Ultima Online and Everquest, i think they should be burned to the ground since long time.

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>>16293606

This is the laziest attempt at astroturfing I've seen.

you should play it more often, you would see how everything changed to better

>>16274328

i've heard women that play wow say that they want their characters to be sexy. i've never heard any of them say that they wanted fat characters. i guess, now that fat is "sexy" they might say they want this kind of a character but i'm almost entirely sure only a handful of men that fetishize fat will play female kultirans.

>>16295359

No lady wants to role play as a fatty. What they want is to force all other women to play fatties so they look the best.

>>16273506

is that game still got plenty of people on it's servers?

it's the only FF game i haven't played yet as mmorpg's aren't really my thing but i love the fuck out of the FF series.

i haven't played wow since around 2007 or so, like when the expansions first started coming out….i'm waiting for classic vanilla wow to come out and am thinking of jumping back in if they don't fuck it up…i really hope they don't fuck it up…reading this thread doesn't give me much hope as this thread/expansion is basically why i stopped playing in the first place…but i'm sure people will disagree, a lot of people liked the earlier expansions and the changes made…i just didn't.

BFA psychoanalysis:

>Warrior

You decided to main something easy to start the game, or like to be strong and direct. lamentably this shows you lack experience to realize utility and ability to have option coverage is what makes a class Tier 1 or not. You end up becoming fury and spamming your buttons and you embrace the Low IQ rotation in order to be viable. If you're a prot warrior, you're just a stubborn person unwilling to change to a better tank with a buyer's remorse sindrome, sticking to what you already invested time on, given prot warriors are shit in BFA.

>Rogue

You decided to main rogue this expansion because you're a giant faggot who knew rogues were broken season 1 and decided to get an easy ride for gladiator or top tier dps. You don't really care about teamwork or helping others, and you tend to play solo. You don't know any better and in ignorance are not aware how tremendously boring rogue is in PvE because they are perpetually energy starved. If you main combat, you are not good at this game. If you main sub, you are a skilled player who mainly pvps, if you main assassination, youre tier whore faggot playing a brain dead comp which is an insult to rogue rotations of previous expansions.

>DK

If you're maining DK in BFA, you either are a stubborn person, do not wish to change mains due invested time, or you're simply not very bright, given DK is garbage in BFA. Unless you're a blood dk main, which is understandable. Then again, anyone who mains a tank spec is not a good player to begin with, given most good players main all roles, and DK is garbage outside of Blood. If you have it as a secondary for tanking purposes, then you're fine. DK mains in BFA are the minority given most switched to DH/warrior/etc.

>Hunter

If you main MM, you're probably a normalfag pandaren/void elf retard who doesn't know anything about the game. If you main BM, at least you're playing the right spec, but you're still playing a low tier limited class with little functionality in PvP and absolutely no competitive advantage in PvE. If you main survival, you most likely just PvP and you deserve respect for maining a low tier spec with a higher skillcap than the other 2 specs.

>Mage

If you main Arcane, you're not good at this game and not taken seriously You're probably too stupid to know how to shatter combo or Manage your Hot Streak procs. If you mean Fire, you're a tier whore scumbag who feels no remorse for playing a broken spec in PvP, and someone with shit tastes for PvE given Frost is much more patrician to play in PvE. If you main Frost, you most likely are smarter than the other two specs and have the IQ to enjoy the synergy between all your abilities. Nevertheless mage mains are still not very smart given you're maining a class with only 1 role.

>>16295623

>Warlock

if you play warlock in BFA you are clinically retarded for playing the most boring caster in the game ATM, due the major pruning. If you main affliction, you either are a pitiable man unable to adapt or someone stubborn to stay with a very underperforming spec. Demo Warlocks require no brain cells, just like Destro, and if you main either you're the hurrdurr smash your buttons of casters. At least Destro manages soul shards, while Demo is all automatic. Either way Warlock mains are not to be respected and only maids for the raid to place healthstones and portals. minimize your raid comp to 1 warlock only.

>Priest

If you play disicipline, you're playing the highest skillcap healer in the game and deserve respect. You enjoy predicting incoming damage and making the right moves. You are like the MC of Log Horizon and see the greater picture of the battlefield. If you play holy, you're most likely a housewife too unskilled to play Discipline.

Shadow Priest mains are also to be respected for playing one of the few enjoyable and also high skill high reward casters. Priests in general are a respected class, and the judgement towards their ability should be done depending on the race they play.

>Druid

Druids are known to be shameless throghout every expansion, always playing disgusting tier 1 comps or playing the the one out fo the four best spec of their class. Tier whores and with no honor, druids enjoy playing really faggy from far away. Resto druids specially are the faggiest of them all, playing the most brain dead healer class in PvE with no cast times besides wild growth. if you main guardian druid you have down syndrome and are not to be taken seriously, given it is a shit tank spec and one of the most boring rotations with only 2-3 button presses. Ferals deserve the most respect out of all the specs, and perhaps the only spec worth respecting. At the same time if you main feral you also suffer from being stubborn/dumb for playing an underpeforming spec. Boomkins used to be respectable, but now are a joke of a class with 2 dots and 2 spammable casts with no semblance of complexity. Outside of Ferals, druids are to be scorned as the tier whores who play a favored class in PvP.

>Monk

Windwalker monks deserve respect for being a fragile rotation spec that is not even top tier. people who play WW genuinely enjoy the spec. On the complete opposite side, however, Brewmaster monks are usually soccer moms and old baby boomer normalfags who don't know any better playing a complete garbage tank spec. If you main Mistweaver, chances are you're either a tier whore who plays an easy but strong spec in PvP, or a mediocre player who solely PvEs and plays a mid-tier healer because he doesn't know any better but the easy rotation of a mistweaver. In a few words, Windwalker monks are to be respected, the other two not so much, with mistweavers being fags in PvP

>Paladin

Prot Paladins are to be respected for enjoying playing a support tank that doesn't even hold a candle to blood dks or Vengeance demon hunters, but yet they like supporting with offheals so they stick with their class. At the same time, prot paladins are also low IQ for playing a 4 button spec that is incredibly boring. If you wish to play support, play a healer spec.

Holy Paladins are low tier in pvp and pve and are also very easy to use. You won't see many nowadays. If you do see one, it is usually someone offspecing for the raid composition. if you are the rare unicorn of a holy paladin, you probably do not play the game seriously or are up to date with the meta, so you just go with what you know.

Ret paladins are brain dead retards playing a brain dead spec. however, the minority of actually skilled rets that pvp at high rating have proper awareness on BoP/Sacrifice/Freedom/Heals, and are to be respected if they show good performance in PvP situations. The majority though, are pvehero retards who don't even buff wisdom or kings.

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>Demon Hunter

You are a person who values Quality of Life and gameplay functionality above style or class flavor. You enjoy the high mobility, high cleave, Global-Cooldown efficient high damage with auto-dots and snare all in one, and it's ridiculous self-sufficiency/self-heals. You like the fast 1 second GCD of going metamorphosis all the time. Your choice of main is no surprise, given how strong and satisfying it is.

If you actually play both specs then kudos to you because Vengeance is also best tank at the moment. As BFA stands, if you're not DH as melee then you're not really playing competitively. Because of this there are many DHs and it is hard to judge their character. All we can state is that if you're currently maining one you are a tier whore for sure.

However, if you were DH before BFA, chances are you're an edgy underage who thinks DHs are badass. (Although DHs were also top tier in Legion, but this statement still holds true for many of those who main it and play at a casual level)

Being top tier comes with high expectations however. The class carries many players so others frown at you. If you don't parse 95 and above for your ilvl you are not respected

>Shaman

The clunkiest spec in the game could easily be Enhancement. It is one of the least fun plays itself specs in the game at the moment. As a result many shamans have rerolled or went elemental. if you main Enhancement chances are you don't know any better or are just a casual. Elemental shamans on the other hand ended up being fun casters this season with the increase of gear, much better from the trash they were last season. If you main elemental you are a chill individual who likes the satisfying instant lava bursts and double lightning strikes. Respectable choice.

Resto Shaman mains are either very respected PvP players who perform well in the game or Casual Trash that spams chain heal.there is no in-between.