a54cc0 No.16242610
https://store.steampowered.com/app/975370/Dwarf_Fortress/
What in the goddamn?
Dwarf Fortress is on Steam now and ASCII is officially gone.
a54cc0 No.16242614
>>16242610
https://www.patreon.com/posts/25343688
What they have to say about it officially. ASCII will still exist as "Dwarf Fortress classic."
a54cc0 No.16242617
>>16242614
You'll have to pay for the Steam version. There will be workshop integration.
cdabb2 No.16242619
In a few months, the DF threads will be flooded by the Steam version.
>>16242617
Dwarf Fortress microtransactions when
cdabb2 No.16242621
>>16242619
> microtransactions
Paid mods of course
be1b81 No.16242624
Steam version is basically just an alternate way of donating, you can still get the game for free on the official site
a54cc0 No.16242628
>>16242625
But it had graphics you silly nigger.
a54cc0 No.16242633
>>16242631
>Entire time you could have downloaded the game for free and installed a texture pack
>The only time you'll play the game is when it comes out on Steam for a price that comes with a texture pack
>When you could just get it for free
What
a54cc0 No.16242653
The proper way to enjoy Dwarf Fortress or any Roguelike is on your x230 lenovo that boots a linux distro of your choice.
Prove me wrong.
6bbc39 No.16242660
>>16242628
Current tileset support is very simplistic and lacking. It's basically just a font sheet replacement. The new version looks like it supports layering multiple sprites per tile and other things like bitwise slope tiles. Anons claiming they're just packing a default tileset and selling it are being disingenuous.
eecead No.16242728
>>16242631
>Ultima III and Planet X2 doesn't graphics even though it uses custom text in order to make unique graphics
fug!!! you got me there you autist!
68d8c3 No.16242737
Is this some long con April Dumbass prank?
eb103b No.16242751
>>16242737
>Is this some long con April Dumbass prank?
Hardly. The release seems to be motivated by medical bills.
https://www.patreon.com/posts/25343688
b489fb No.16242754
oh fuck off you triple a cock sucking niggerfaggots
68d8c3 No.16242759
I feel like pic related makes it even more of a pain in the ass to figure out if these are ramps, or showing that it's an internal layer or what the fuck.
>>16242751
That would be going a bit far for a prank. LARN and other shit have sold versions with additional eye candy before. If they're going to make modding and all less of a hassle, sure.
d60bf9 No.16242765
>>16242617
>workshop integration
It's going to kill the modding scene very fast, if words of some modders I know are to go by. And I don't even mean splitting the modding scene between Steam and the forum; mere existence of workshop integration is very bad news for them, their mods and their ownership of their own mods.
b1837b No.16242778
It's like they suddenly care whether people play the game or not.
68d8c3 No.16242782
It goes along like this and then suddenly this. What the hell is going on there that's different?
>>16242765
I'd be dubious too.
b04526 No.16242789
>Basic bitch normalfag friendly tileset
>Retard proof installation and mod integration
>Possible UI improvement
<Still unoptimized mess
<Still unrealized mechanics
People would shit on any other game if they delivered a game that choked and slow down to a crawl after 2 hours of investment, DF will get a pass however because IT`S SO HARD IT`S THE HARDEST GAYME EVER I READ ABOUT IT.
If Toady wanted money he could have just asked, I am sure most people would be happy to donate.
68d8c3 No.16242791
>>16242782
I suppose because that's the only one tile wide area but it's still all Escher-like with perspective.
de41c3 No.16242793
>>16242782
The lighting is the sun on the southeast, why are people having trouble with it?
3f8a66 No.16242795
>>16242765
Pretty much this
On that other hand I can't blame the guy as medical bills can be expensive.
Personally I blame Steam for this, Fuck Steam ruining fucking games for profit
>>16242759
>I feel like pic related makes it even more of a pain in the ass to figure out if these are ramps, or showing that it's an internal layer or what the fuck.
I think its showing the internal layer, but yeah it it can also be seen ramps.I mean the dirt road makes it sort of clearer.
3f8a66 No.16242797
>>16242789
>implying people play DF because they think its hard
DF is mostly about the modding seen in my opinion, although the original game isnt bad
c40266 No.16242803
i would like to apologise to STEAM and the Dwarf Fortess developers on behalf of the entire gayming community on this forum for these disparaging remarks >>16242737 and say that this person does not represent the entire community as a hole
6cc19e No.16242804
>>16242631
Maybe you don't know that words are literally pictures that we've attached linguistic meaning to. They're not very artistic, but they're fundamentally a series of small drawings arranged into lines.
de41c3 No.16242806
>>16242797
The only mods I ever used were the mods that removed redundant shit that just clogged up the game. Do we really need differentiated leathers for 24 different species of Marmot?
68d8c3 No.16242807
>>16242789
People have been donating for a long time, you oblivious /tv/ queer.
>>16242793
It doesn't tell me what the fuck it means is why, adding some faux perspective hurts my eyes more than ASCII. If they had just integrated Stonesense it would have been a better move.
de41c3 No.16242812
>>16242806
>differentiated
>24 different
talk about redundant. I've been up all night so I'll be taking my leave now.
b2a16c No.16242813
Is he scrambling to squeeze some coherency into the UI or will he just dump it onto the "where is the tutorial" Steam babies?
a54cc0 No.16242816
>>16242789
People are donating. He gets 6k a month.
b04526 No.16242818
>>16242797
Being "hard" is how normalfags and people that would never get into DF perceive the game, shit videogame websites love to write about it and how inconceivable complex and hard it is both mechanics and how you play it, it`s just a hook for people to get interested and read about it. In reality it`s just trickery and a bad UI that takes a few hours of investment and while checking the wiki. My point it`s a substandard product that shouldn`t be market like it is in its current state, in fact Toad went out of his way to justify why he doesn`t bother with optimization.
>>16242807
You are so fucking retard I don`t even understand what the hell you talking about or how your post somewhat trumps what a argued, kill yourself with your cross board war autism
a54cc0 No.16242820
>>16242818
The thing about Dwarf Fortress is that it's rote memorization and the moment you have it down it's too easy to create a fortress that's self-sustaining and can survive for quite awhile, even if you're not cheesing shit.
b04526 No.16242822
>>16242816
It obviously not enough since he decided to find a publisher and market the game in a mainstream friendly way, faggot.
a54cc0 No.16242825
>>16242822
>Moving the goalpost
You said people would donate, implying they didn't.
I'm saying that they did.
It doesn't matter how much is being donated, your original point was that people weren't donating when they clearly were. Don't be a disingenuous weasel kike.
6bbc39 No.16242828
>>16242789
>If Toady wanted money he could have just asked, I am sure most people would be happy to donate.
People do donate, but I think a donation drive or something would've still been a better way of handling it. I don't think the Steam version is going to make anyone happy: normalfags are still going to get frustrated by the interface and everyone else has to deal with diverging feature sets inevitably interfering with development.
>>16242807
It's not faux perspective, those are slopes. The lighting on the bottom makes it look weird because typically you light from north/north-east.
c40266 No.16242829
>>16242822
>It obviously not enough
Protip:it never is
b04526 No.16242840
>>16242825
I read the fucking blog every week, why you think anyone into DF wouldn`t be aware of the monetary gain Toad report on his website at the end of every month, I didn`t imply anything, I outright said he wants more money than he currently earns because that`s why it looks like you faggot. Both brothers are always ranting about how community is precious and how they always worked hard to preserve their small but dedicated group of fans that supported the game despite it getting an update a year since fucking 2000s or whatever. In result they overmoderate their forums to the point it`s essentially reddit, and I am supposed to believe they are doing their best and it takes time to work their craft?
Their work ethics suck, they clearly want more money and I doubt their updates will come sooner as a result, off yourself
197295 No.16242841
>>16242813
Nothing will actually change. Toady is actually just charging newfags and journalists $20 to play a free game (Now With Graphics™!). Funny thing too, Toady mentioned that all the graphical content in the Steam release will be available for modders of Dwarf Fortress classic anyway. So there's not going to be any real exclusivity to the Steam version either
68d8c3 No.16242846
>>16242828
If this gravely representation is what they're going for to delineate an internal/external tiles I can't wait for someone to fuck their shit up even faster than in ASCII.
b1837b No.16242855
Here's what it looks like if you put the sun to the north like you're supposed to.
6bbc39 No.16242862
>>16242846
It's certainly strange to fuck up something so obvious.
de41c3 No.16242865
>>16242840
I don't disagree with you in regards to them being faggots, or that they should've just e-begged from their paypigs, but don't act like people can read your mind through your posts. You stated they should've asked for donations, it was then explained to you they already receive donations and now you flip out saying we're the dumb ones for not magically understanding what you meant through your poorly worded original post.
If you read their blog you'd understand that Toady's brother has cancer and he explained in order to future-proof his finances for the expensive medical bills he's jewing on steam. I personally couldn't give a fuck if both the brothers died because they haven't released a meaningful update since they added Z-levels and have made it clear they're not interested in coding anything that positively affects gameplay but would rather do amazing things like add facial hair and gender identity to a 2d no-graphics fort sim about stubby drunken lunatics.
197295 No.16242867
>>16242855
That still just looks so fucking stupid. The ramps are done at an oblique angle but everything else is from a top down perspective. It looks like a green hedge wall to me and makes my eyes crossed
b1837b No.16242870
>>16242867
>2 slightly different perspectives is difficult to look at
>but ASCII diarrhea along the lines of "AS:;_&:#;Q:_&;_¤;_:_Q#W;:T" is not
e4c6d2 No.16242879
>graphics
>after countless years of ascii
Finally making it more playable and appealing.
Now if only they would implement mouse support and a more streamlined UI, it would be the best of it's kind.
I also wouldn't mind an initial goals system where the game can nudge you in the right direction of what to do in the beginning. It's kind of overwhelming to be dropped into the world without any semblance of what you should do at first.
b04526 No.16242881
>>16242865
You assuming ignorance from anons is your problem not mine.
Regardless, they used to have all excuses in the world and I would support them whatever their decisions were when this was a autism project. Now they just lost that privilege, their game has an official release, it`s a product now and it should be threated like one. I understand they have their own problems but the fact that you need to jump through hoops for the game to be playable is unacceptable, they are taking advantage of their community good will to release this basically without costs to themselves.
8dac93 No.16242882
everything you love wil perish
197295 No.16242884
>>16242870
Yes you're right, ASCII is 10x more pleasing, aesthetic and clear than bloat graphics with confusing ass perspectives
>>16242879
faggot
c47cec No.16242889
>>16242765
I never heard of steam taking ownership of mods submitted, not even on the failed paid mods attempt
de41c3 No.16242891
>>16242881
>You assuming ignorance from anons is your problem not mine.
That's the dumbest thing you've posted thus far and I'll say a prayer for you, anon.
8dac93 No.16242898
>>16242889
don't worry goy, you will soon
de41c3 No.16242899
>>16242896
It's the current year? wow I never would've guessed.
197295 No.16242915
>>16242896
Lol are you deliberately being a retard? DF has had mouse control since 2014 and there have basically always been graphics and tilesets for players to use. And stop playing mobileshit games if you want a non retarded control scheme dude
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Mouse_control
f96e63 No.16242924
>>16242621
>>16242619
>work for years in a genre-defining game
>niggers every day complain about no graphics
>put extra effort deliver the niggers what they want
>charge some bucks for it
>free version will still always stay free
>hurr durr the dev is greedy
b04526 No.16242941
>>16242924
What`s graphics means to you? DF has fully realized representations of units and terrain, this release has nothing to do with graphics
9016f3 No.16242969
>>16242884
The ASCII is beautiful. Call me autistic. I don't give a fuck.
c86f8d No.16242976
>>16242624
Yeah, but the fat kike will take a cut.
b04526 No.16242992
>>16242976
don`t forget the publisher, they get a cut too
ca41bc No.16243008
ASCII is cool and all but people who defend it with the rage of a thousand suns are hyper fags. Take your fedoras off. It's the same game but now you can actually see the game that your playing.
4fcae3 No.16243036
>>16242660
>Anons claiming they're just packing a default tileset and selling it are being disingenuous.
That's the way most news sites seem to phrase it, so maybe you should blame them.
Either way it's a severe disappointment and missed opportunity to revamp the horrible UI, a weak link in an otherwise legendary game.
4fcae3 No.16243041
>>16243008
ASCII is unambiguous. You can't squint at a capital letter "T" and think "Wait, is that a T, or something else?" because it's a fucking T. I actually hated most fan tilesets because I would have to go through the effort of learning all of their stupid icons and what they mean, and 16x16 clearly wasn't enough for the artistic vision of some of those faggots. "T for Troll" is much easier to remember.
d31b6b No.16243064
Great, now give me a fucking tutorial telling me what I CAN do in this game and we'll be good.
>inb4 screeching retards
I said CAN, not SHOULD. I can figure out what I should do if I knew what I can do, but nowhere is that information provided. The few guides I've run across mention tips for picking locations without explaining why, and explain how to start without explaining what fucking buttons to press for those menus.
421e52 No.16243075
>>16243064
There's a really simple tutorial on the wiki, and I figured how the game worked and how to do things (not the best things, but I could operate things nonetheless) on my own, and I'm no genius. If you can't figure out if selecting a menu it's enter, e, or whichever key the game tells you to use on a corner message, you might be too retarded to play videogames
1fa021 No.16243087
>>16243041
Yeah, but unfortunately, not everything can be identified so easily. I doubt a new player would realize what the punctuation marks mean.
4fcae3 No.16243095
>>16243064
Admittedly the interface is shit, but the essentials are actually fairly obvious. Mason and carpentry is fairly obvious and essential. Farms are dug on soft ground and need water, then you can have them tilled and dwarves assigned to farm duty will till them, and then you can decide the seed rotation. The game would benefit greatly from a non-shit interface so that the player is more inclined to fuck around and figure things out.
fe12b0 No.16243098
>>16242804
I wish there was a game that used exclusively kanji instead of ASCII graphics
80a0ce No.16243100
>>16242754
>implying polygon has ever played DF
eb103b No.16243102
>>16242840
>they clearly want more money
Of course. And, releasing it on Steam is likely going to sell them units, because there's bound to be people that don't try something unless it's on there.
4fcae3 No.16243106
>>16243087
It's enough to tell me I should use the view function to see what the fuck is going on. A custom tileset may not present the tile in a distinct way, is my main issue, but I also have bad eyesight.
2318a9 No.16243224
>>16242610
The free version will still be free. Stop being such a big fat baby.
681933 No.16243246
>>16242610
You couldn't use the existing thread?
1b2973 No.16243277
The light has gone out of my life.
60653d No.16243345
Strike the earth.
Strike it until Solomon erupts from the underworld and eats the foreskin of every living creature.
681933 No.16243347
>>16243224
>defending this
How much are you paid?
27ee82 No.16243368
>>16242898
>"original"
>disney seven dwarfs
Why do mutts always get the origin of everything wrong and think they somehow made it? The tale is obviously a German one and not invented by Walt Disney cartoons.
The tale has been passed from mouth to mouth by Germans until it has been written down by the brothers Grimm.
e96648 No.16243374
>>16243347
We're not defending it, we're dismissing it as a complete non-issue.
e81cf1 No.16243406
>>16243368
> think they somehow made it
Why are europoors always so illiterate? The paper is obviously saying the seven dwarves as envisioned by Disney. The quotes around original reinforce this.
b6f49d No.16243407
>>16242882
Most of what I love are conspiracies for self defeat which are invented by the Jews, so it ends up being a wash at the worst.
27ee82 No.16243412
>>16243393
Here. I can't stand idly by watching you post 6MB video gifs because of my autistic nature.
27ee82 No.16243415
>>16243406
The quotes around new say the opposite.
b489fb No.16243417
>>16243412
Blessed
gas the 6mb gif kikes
58a074 No.16243423
It still chugs way too much. Toady is only concerned with providing a rich tavern experience consisting of transient bards eating all your food and having six random genders, instead of redoing the UI and performance stuff to make it fucking playable.
>Just install 20 .exe hacks to make the UI playable you fucking casual!
c40266 No.16243429
>>16243412
>no sound
it might as well be a gif
Also
2badnow don't make me pull a 15MB gif from my folder
945df6 No.16243431
>Available: time is subjective
4d414b No.16243435
>>16242924
Niggers who complain about graphics don't know what they're talking about and/or couldn't be assed to just take a tileset and replace it. It's like all those Anons bringing up old issues that have already been fixed over and over again. The worst thing about this update is the graphic set chosen is pretty shit and the guys making the tileset are some Hipster fucks who are now part of the dev team. You can look forward to Dwarf Fortress dieing a slow death from here on in.
eabaf6 No.16243438
>>16242610
>ASCII is officially gone.
no it's not, you get an option for how you want the game to appear
That said, DF needs the fucking UI overhauled and mouse support would be nice
4d414b No.16243447
>>16243438
See? This guy right here still thinks DF doesn't have mouse support.
80a0ce No.16243448
27ee82 No.16243461
>>16243429
same shit with 2xresolution to prevent scale filters of video players from making it unpixely.
c40266 No.16243468
>>16243448
>
>>16243461
DON'T PUSH ME MOTHERFUCKER,YOU WON'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M POSTING THOSE 15MB GIFS
06de70 No.16243486
>ASCII is officially gone
Imagine being this much of an alarmist retard.
80a0ce No.16243538
>>16243468
Spill the beans.
58448f No.16243714
>>16243693
We've already endured gay dorfs and gay marriage in the game, including a bug that made both more prominent than heterosexual pairings, thus making you dependant on migrants entirely.
681933 No.16243719
>>16243693
>all dwarves will have a 50% chance of being gay or trans because half the population will boycott the game otherwise
dbc8be No.16243787
>>16243064
>inb4ing your own post
4fcae3 No.16243835
>>16243423
I chuckled, thanks for that.
I just can't fathom how Toady stomachs allowing his game to have a ridiculously bad UI and performance after having worked so hard to get it to this point. Where is his pride? Especially since performance issues are usually what cause people to stop playing. "Shit, I'm at 150 dwarves and my computer is melting, time to restart." Genociding migrants feels too much like cheating.
1b6842 No.16243837
Im gonna be honest here my only complaint about the game and the thing that prevented me from playing it was the UI and the 8-bit graphics with just symbols. I cannot watch that shit because my eyes start to hurt. But when I see Steam version of the game with better graphics it just doesn't look that interesting anymore. Am I retarded?
4fcae3 No.16243846
>>16243837
The better graphics are less distinct on a tile by tile basis so it becomes harder to tell what is happening without some level of adjustment and rote memorization that usually takes longer than ASCII. At least, that's why I have never used custom tiles on DF. That might be why the game looks boring to you now, but who knows. It could also be that it now looks like the 50 DF clones that were made in the interim.
4fcae3 No.16243854
>>16243848
He must have changed his attitude sometime in the last 5-ish years then, because when DF was still "2D" (before z-levels were added) and shortly after, updates were much more regular and I wouldn't have imagined Toady just giving up on the project.
80a0ce No.16243866
>>16243835
Did he ever implement multi-threading?
3634c2 No.16243901
>Toady will die of cancer before DF gets multithreading
>Toady never releases the source code
>He just puts an inferior version on steam and dies
fae473 No.16243910
>>16243719
>will boycott the game otherwise
You're not wrong, but you're slow by several years.
80a0ce No.16243918
>>16243910
Honestly don't have a problem with this, and it's just a couple of lines of text if you want to change it. Rimworld is the same way.
fae473 No.16243946
>>16243854
>>16243719
His autism mostly revolves around worldgen, with fort mode being comparatively an afterthought. Since worldgen takes comparatively far less time than playing a fort to its logical conclusion (except for humongous worlds which nobody makes because they'll just ever see 0.017% of it anyways), there's little incentive in multithreading worldgen, or the rest of the game for that matter.
Hence the many, many fort mode bugs over the years, such as apprentice surgeons sewing over the hanging guts of the patient resulting in an immediatly working dwarf instead of a dead one, or water pumps violating conservation of mass if pumped in just the right configuration. Fanboys being fanboys just spin these as 'dwarven engineering' because fuckin dorfs man amirite. While hilarious, these don't stop being bugs. World generation always had far less bugs.
a855e6 No.16243980
>>16242884
while nice why do my eyes hurt
fae473 No.16243987
>>16243918
>What is "tyranny of small decisions"
https://daliaresearch.com/counting-the-lgbt-population-6-of-europeans-identify-as-lgbt/
You have the choice to "accept" the blatant lie that there are at least 4 times more faggots than there are in reality. You are also making the choice for future generations, assuming we have them.
ad4541 No.16243989
>>16242759
I just realized the line divide between the outside and the inside is suppose to be upward slopes. While I can't see them as anything but downwards.
e06a97 No.16243992
>>16243901
DF has been multicore since 2018
80a0ce No.16243998
>>16243987
I imagine it's exaggerated because the population of dwarves is so small compared to any real life community. At least you can think up fun ways to kill the faggots
fae473 No.16244030
>>16243998
The small community size causing every single dwarf to be strictly heterosexual wasn't a problem before CY, but you probably knew that.
c48767 No.16244065
>>16243374
I'm defending it, the guys made a great game and has been updating it for donkey's years now. He wants release some of his work on steam, that's great.
80a0ce No.16244086
>>16244030
My point is he added faggots and he wants them to show up in the game, which they would hardly ever do using more realistic rates. I think you are thinking too hard about this.
fae473 No.16244113
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>>16244086
With a 6% faggot population it's reasonable to expect faggots appearing in one out of two or three single evening forts 60-ish dwarves. On long running forts, they are sure to appear. With a disproportionate rate of 25% you get entirely dysfunctional forts (>>16243714) for which the only solution are coincidentally (((migrants))).
>I think you are thinking too hard about this.
someone has to think for two around here
11c393 No.16244124
He finally got rid of the developer graphics.
563fd6 No.16244134
>>16244113
>6%
That isn't how the orientation token works, every creature in the default values has their orientation set upon being created. The default values makes the guy chance 20% each.
51c74f No.16244152
>>16242898
it always puzzles me why somebody does an elementary school kid assignment to post it later on the internet
335ed9 No.16244164
>>16244152
Then you may be retarded as it's obviously for comedic effect.
51c74f No.16244172
>>16244164
that kills the comedic effect since even the teacher comment was fake.
12cb30 No.16244191
>>16244152
>Octohitler
>Eight times the genocide
fucking saved
51c74f No.16244206
About monetising dwarf fortress, this can be very good or very bad, it could be good because it would force them to immprove the game in a more user focused way, instead of expanding the universe, they could improve the performance (taverns are not very appealing since they drop the performance by a loot) by adding stuff like making the pathfinding being processed in a different thread like they did whit the graphics, it can be very bad because the greed might temp them to casualise the game and also releasing it "incomplete", they might just slap a 1.0v label into it
>>16244186
Imagine a guy drawing into an 7 year old kid assignment and later correcting it with a marker to post it online.
afefb3 No.16244220
>>16242617
>and as the political environment has shifted
13bc1a No.16244273
>>16244247
All game developers are leftist cucks.
It just takes time for them to show their true colors.
13bc1a No.16244312
>>16244299
Yeah. He allowed healthcare companies to compete with each other and not the government so they all jacked up the price of everything by over 50% at the same time because the government issue one couldn't beat their prices and it's illegal to not have healthcare.
d31b6b No.16244324
>>16244312
>and it's illegal to not have healthcare
I thought that was repealed starting this year.
13bc1a No.16244331
>>16244324
Might be the case, might not be. Really I just stopped paying attention. Not like I had healthcare anyways. I don't have an income so I have no taxes so they never caught me.
d0a41d No.16244394
> We'll continue updating the free ASCII version on the Bay 12 web page as Dwarf Fortress Classic.
Changing the name of the real game does not bode well for future development.
8d7f01 No.16244413
>>16242610
I liked the original but I won't pretend that a graphical rehaul isn't refreshing, the "graphics" were the least appealing feature of the game, unless you want to pretend to like it, just to be a contrarian faggot or an actual AI bot.
d0a41d No.16244429
>showing reviews of the original game on the steam page for the new version
How dishonest.
8510be No.16244451
>>16242884
>Yes you're right, ASCII is 10x more pleasing, aesthetic and clear than bloat graphics with confusing ass perspectives
t. autist hipster that is upset his 5 years of remembering what every symbol meant have been a gigantic fucking waste of time
0215dd No.16244458
>>16244394
>We'll continue updating the free ASCII version
And by that he means throwing more mechanics at the game without ever bothering to fix any of the old ones.
bbabec No.16244505
>ITT a bunch of faggots are all upset the bar is being lowered imperceptibly for entry
As others have pointed out this is literally just an endorsed tile set and now you can pay upfront as opposed to donating directly. It sounds like a worse deal since steam rakes in upwards of 30% of any sale on the store but if his medical issues are true then he probably is banking on the Wider Net approach. However people will continue to rage how he's a sellout because he dares to charge for this official tileset while also still offering the classic version with the ASCII graphics this all sounds like outrage over nothing especially considering that no one uses tilesets in the first place?
Also before we get into the dilution of the community, the mechanics are going to be as byzantine as they always have been, there is nothing here about streamlined controls or addition of a HUD interface for commands so it should be as impenetrable as always to the normalfags.
67400e No.16244536
>ASCII is officially gone.
Good.
8510be No.16244540
>>16244505
>with the ASCII graphics
DF doesn't actually use ASCII terminal printing though. It's a tileset that looks like ASCII.
67400e No.16244554
Shoulda gone with the open transport tycoon visualizer.
a28378 No.16244629
So I looked into who is doing the graphics for the Steam tileset, and apparently it's a collab between Meph and Mayday. Now, anybody here who actually plays DF will recognize those names as two very prolific tileset creators from the community; they've had tilesets bundled in the LNP for years. This is actually pretty encouraging to me, as it means the graphics are being handled by actual DF players who've been involved for a long time. KitFox apparently is just helping manage the extra people/Steam setup for Toady and it doesn't appear like they're touching much of anything directly. Someone named Dabu is doing the new music, but including music from Simon Swerwer is also (maybe) on the table.
Pic related are some WIP graphics for the upcoming release (the progress bar represents the stages of construction for these workshops).
>>16244536
>anon posts his opinion without reading the thread
The ASCII version isn't going away; even on the Steam release (I will hereby be calling it Steam Fortress) you'll be able to switch back to ASCII at will.
f4dcc9 No.16244765
>ASCII gone
fucking finally. Mouse integration when?
caef83 No.16244829
caef83 No.16244847
>>16244836
>one word reply
>shill
4ce617 No.16244895
c67252 No.16244902
>>16244629
>Now, anybody here who actually plays DF will recognize those names as two very prolific tileset creators from the community; they've had tilesets bundled in the LNP for years.
No, anyone who is a dumb faggot who hangs out in dumb faggot threads pretending to play will think that. Anyone who actually plays will know that both of those dumb homos only made a couple of tilesets, which were absolute dogshit, and only got popular because of being pimped by that dumb duck faggot and being included in the braindead nigger pack.
>KitFox apparently is just helping manage the extra people/Steam setup for Toady and it doesn't appear like they're touching much of anything directly
Yeah, crazy SJWs having the rights to the game is totally not going to change anything guys!
80a0ce No.16244920
>>16244902
They picked an SJW publisher? Also who the fuck even bothers to remember the names of the people who put the tilesets together?
f6b64f No.16244932
>>16244902
Captain Duck? Man, that guys a moron, he's a Dutch goon and he's fried his brain cells so bad with weed it takes him ages to explain simple things poorly. People recommending his tutorials shocked me.
73df1e No.16244941
>20 dollars for a broken unfinished mess with a shit coat of paint on it
What a deal.
f6b64f No.16244958
>>16244629
>KitFox apparently is just helping manage the extra people/Steam setup for Toady and it doesn't appear like they're touching much of anything directly
Entryism alert! Toady confirmed for massive lazy fool.
dc74ec No.16244966
>>16242855
Oh what the fuck, I thought it was a DOWNWARD slope, but it's an UPWARD slope. It's a cut-away that's showing a cross-section of the mountain. Pic actually related, this feels like an optical illusion.
4d414b No.16244969
>>16244932
You'd be better served watching Kruiggsmash's videos then watching that guy's tutorials. His video editing and custom tilesets makes it easier to pickup on things and be able to translate that to ASCII stuff.
>>16244765
Since 2014, all the guys in the DF thread don't know shit.
80a0ce No.16244971
>>16244966
That's what I thought at first. It's not a very well designed tileset.
cf0ac9 No.16244973
>>16244152
>it always puzzles me why someone does an elementary school kid assignment to post it later on the internet
Because usually those assignments are from colleges. Which says a lot about the quality of modern education.
c67252 No.16244996
>>16244920
Yeah, kitfox.
>>16244932
Yes, that's the faggot. The worst DF tutorials imaginable and everyone was recommending them back then.
80a0ce No.16245002
>>16244996
>kitfox
Never heard of them. Are they infamous?
4fcae3 No.16245053
>>16243866
Supposedly, but the performance is still shit, although I haven't played in a good while. It's anyone's guess because it's closed source, another thing I don't understand at all about the project.
8ce638 No.16245054
>>16245002
I've never heard of them, all I could find was their about page saying that cyber bullying is bad even though you could just walk away from the screen, nigga and the preferred pronouns of one of the lead devs.
a9ccfc No.16245058
>No more ASCII
This disgusts me to an utmost point.
80a0ce No.16245073
>>16245054
>danger hair
>preferred pronouns
>virtue signalling
So basically don't buy DF on Steam.
80a0ce No.16245077
>>16245054
Also just noticed
>unironically shilling for CON
8dac93 No.16245088
>>16243415
actually the quotes around "new" are emphasizing the fact that it's just a homework assignment and kids aren't actually inventing a new character for Yidsney
c67252 No.16245089
>>16245002
No, they are too insignificant to be infamous. Destroying DF will be what makes them infamous. It is some (((Montreal))) studio run by a rainbow haired feminist cunt that thinks calling trannies their actual sex or name is "cyberviolence" and promoted Valkenburg's "harassment is bad except when we do it" company.
b3136f No.16245090
>>16245058
>>16245083
NIGGERS BOTH OF YOU
Read the fucking thread god damn.
>>16242614
>We'll continue updating and releasing the free ASCII version on the Bay 12 web page as Dwarf Fortress Classic.
How the hell do absolute morons like you even breathe?
46124c No.16245092
imagine donating to Toady all these years just for the game to go P2P
you people just got Cucked
a9ccfc No.16245101
>>16245090
My point being that removing ACSII disgust me still is relevant, alright its cool they would keep releasing the ASCII version free but Im digusted they would remove it to please the normalfag populace in their official market debut.
b3136f No.16245130
>>16245092
It's still free you normalnigger
>>16245098
And you are a very bored faggot.
>>16245101
I can see what you mean, but Steam is normalfaggot central so what do you expect? In any case anyone that doesn't want to pay for it can just download the ASCII version and slap a tileset on.
60653d No.16245139
>>16245054
>Montreal-based games company
4d414b No.16245150
>>16245090
>How the hell do absolute morons like you even breathe?
I've seen this process before multiple times, the "classic" version will quickly be dropped in favor of the paid version. Even the timing is specifically to prey on Toady's fears and grief. Outside the Villain update I doubt the Big Wait will be anything good now.
de41c3 No.16245174
>>16244920
>who the fuck even bothers to remember the names of the people who put the tilesets together?
When you get used to a tileset it's useful to remember the name of the set (which normally is just named after the maker's callsign) so you can grab the updates to the set. I'm guessing you don't know the names because you're one of those faggy ASCII purists.
94369a No.16245195
>>16245150
Yeah I'm not exactly holding my breath for continued updates of the free version.
a9894f No.16245230
>>16245054
>that profile pic
i bet she thinks she passes
305e03 No.16245250
a9ccfc No.16245408
>>16245139
>Posting a cucknadian mountie
This is lys territory m8.
c67252 No.16245456
>>16245408
>proudly claiming (((montreal)))
You can have it homo.
a9ccfc No.16245464
>>16245456
Quebec still only part of Canada to have explicitly banned Shariah law in an unanimous national assembly vote.
c67252 No.16245475
>>16245464
>jews are great because they hate muslims!
Ask me how I know you're a third generation holocaust survivor.
305e03 No.16245507
>>16245408
Richmond BC isn't populated with niggers, it's populated by Chinese bugmen. Most businesses there are solely in Chinese even. We call it "Ricemond".
577abc No.16245513
>>16245464
Montreal is also the only city with a gay pedophile bodybuilder and an avowed ISIS terrorist imageboarders.
saging because the sooner Al-Qubecki kills Igor the better off the entire planet, Canada, and France (where both their parents live loool) will be.
305e03 No.16245518
>>16245475
> Quebec
> Jews
Don't be a dipshit anon, they're insufferable Frenchmen not kikes. They would be decent whites if they weren't genetically predisposed to being faggots of the highest order.
a9ccfc No.16245550
>>16245475
>Oy vey goy youre a jew for fighting against the abrahamic golems we send your way.
Don't see you anglos doing anything but taking them up your butt.
>>16245518
>English peoples.
>Literally the ones who invented transgenderism, cultural marxism, LGBTQBBQ movement and rights, multiculturalism and god knows how many other abominations against society.
>>16245513
Sure thing have fun talking your 33% french language, the anglo has almost 100% of ISIS sympathizers and fighters in their ranks, aswell as pushers for multiculturalism and pedophilia.
This is actually pretty funny considering all these emotional appeals concerning things english people do way more than french people, especially considering theres way more anglos out there than french.
c67252 No.16245666
>>16245518
No, montreal is literally kike central. Nobody in Quebec likes montreal, nobody in Quebec likes the kikes in montreal, except for the kikes in montreal.
>>16245550
>the abrahamic golems we send your way.
If you actually think Quebecois are sending muds to montreal you're even stupider than you sound. Why are you posting retard pictures as if you are Quebecois, while shitting on Quebec and pretending montreal is part of our province?
a9ccfc No.16245704
>>16245666
Im not from montreal, "we send your way" is literally a continuation of the greentext implying this guy is a jew responding to me, are you autistic or you never actually passed text comprehension ?
c67252 No.16245762
>>16245704
>oy vey I've been caught better pretend to be retarded!
"This guy" is me. And I am Quebecois. And my comment very clearly and explicitly said montreal was full of kikes and the muds they have imported. And you said that I was sending you the muds. So you must be a montreal kike. Which explains why you act like a heeb who thinks montreal is good. No Quebecois would ever, in a million years, consider montreal part of Quebec, or consider anyone in it Quebecois. I've never even heard anyone say montreal without spitting after.
3b4a84 No.16245789
>>16245550
>quebecois
>newfie≠maritimer
??????
c67252 No.16245823
>>16245789
Its a jew posting stupid garbage to try to make people hate Quebec, you can ignore it. If you want an answer to a question, try something better than "??????".
a9ccfc No.16245831
>>16245762
Im not a jew and I hate montreal, I just said it was rightful Quebecois Clay taken over by the jews and you started sperging out of control. You're a defeatist shill and you think we should give part of our province to third parties and shitty multiculturalists instead of fighting to control it and have it under heel.
>>16245789
Maritimes is nova scotia, new brunswick and Prince Edward Island. Newfoundland is the island north-east of prince edward island.
>>16245823
you're a shill, an idiot and a black pill defeatist, probably shit at geography to boot.
3b4a84 No.16245893
>>16245831
clearly you're a newfie cause that comparison went right over your head
>>16245823
his image claims newfies are anything other than unemployment check claiming maritimers
a9ccfc No.16245920
>>16245893
You can put them both in the same group but that doesn't mean anything since they're not the same culture or geographic grouping or even that similar so reality's just not agreeing with you here :^)
80a0ce No.16245939
Can you fucking leafs just fuck off?
a9ccfc No.16245979
>>16245939
Look I'll agree to stop shitting up the thread more than I already have, I was just responding to this sperg being pissed that I said Montreal should be considered still salvageable Quebec clay.
c67252 No.16246056
>>16245893
Again, he's just a jew LARPing as a Quebecois trying to make people hate us. Just ignore him.
>>16245979
>montreal is based you goys!
>uh I mean I totally hate montreal I just love jews!
>I mean I hate jews and montreal I just think its the best part of Canada!
Damn you suck at this Shlomo.
a9ccfc No.16246104
>>16246056
>defending Québec means youre a jew
>Implying I ever said I loved Jews
>Implying I even said I loved montreal
You're projecting a bit here, dumbshit, sounds like you are retarded with nothing to say but whatever, you're pretty fucking bad at this yourself, Schlomil.
Man do you throw a bitchfit like this everywhere you go or you only do it anonymously because of how scared of it backfiring? You are literally saying things I never said and saying that I "try to make people hate quebec".
Lol, because saying that Quebec is the only place in Canada to have banned shariah law will make them hate us right :^)
You're a cuck and a salty bitch. I like how I literally live in your head now that I replied to a thread saying that montreal is part of quebec. What a fucking intense thoughtcrime this is.
c67252 No.16246217
>>16246104
Quebec was never attacked Shlomo, you keep tripping all over your lies and your nose. You've been caught doing this dozens of times, you act like a retarded asshole and pretend to be Quebecois so people will hate us. Are you one of Trudeau's bastards or something? I can't imagine anyone else hating Quebec this much.
ab7729 No.16246258
>>16242610
>Now with graphics! (Optional ASCII mode available.)
Did you even read the description, OP?
a9ccfc No.16246268
>>16246217
Are you having a psychosis right now ? You are making no sense and I never even said anything about Québec being attacked, you should learn english m8, also maybe sage your shitty offtopic shit.
c67252 No.16246539
>>16246268
>>defending Québec means youre a jew
>I never even said anything about Québec being attacked
Give it a rest heeb.
17a1e5 No.16246626
Why do they even need a publisher? There is practically zero barrier to entry for steam now and a game like dwarf fortress wouldn't need help topping the charts.
aab09a No.16246729
>>16242617
>over $70k a year in crowdfunding
>people in small cities own homes and live comfortably in households of 3 people on $35-40k a year
>even the worst insurance plans would bridge that gap
Going to call bullshit.
>>16244902
>which were absolute dogshit
This. Mayday tilesets were always shit. This tileset is slightly better than his normal work - that is to say, just vaguely shit. If his works weren't one of the first complete tilesets, he'd not exist as a known person.
>>16242855
This looks significantly better and I don't know what the fuck those faggots were thinking.
>>16242793
There is a reason lighting is normally shown as coming from above. It's basic art at this point.
a9ccfc No.16246916
>>16246539
>He's still sperging.
lol
49fdc7 No.16247187
>not even Toady was safe from the twin evils of loadsa sponduli and (horrific, fake, surgically-created) pussy
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not. I've yet to see any game devs who didn't kick the bucket early due to health issues avoid this trap, they all inevitably do this kind of thing. Even if you think a dev is incorruptible, they'll eventually turn coat and start fraternizing with the enemy while believing its lies at face value, often using your money to pay the expenses. Doesn't matter if they got your money 10 year ago or 10 minutes ago, it all goes into the furnace of madness eventually.
<But the ASCII version still exists, is still free and will still keep being updated!
True, but if you think it couldn't ever be abandoned in favor of its profit-making inbred cousin on Steam the moment Toady notices his cut of the moolah, you haven't gotten fucked this way enough in your life by retarded game devs to see it coming yet. Plus, never underestimate the kind of cancer proliferated by inviting shitholes like Steam's userbase into other, preexisting userbases. They WILL flood in and overflow into the rest of the DF base, they WILL post stupid shit and drive out the oldfags, and they WILL corrupt everything into a mindless, pointless pozfest without fail. The fact that the main person "helping" with this port is a blue-haired tranny retard should set off an alarm bell in any sane man's head that's so loud it makes DEFCON 1 look like a standard EBS test.
I'm not looking forward to seeing DF and the less-shitty portions of its fanbase get swarmed and consumed by the normalfag legions, but there's not much you can do when a father decides againt all reason and morality to pimp out his only daughter for shekels on the street corner, once a tranny convinces him to do it using the siren song of its gaping crotch wound and fake tits.
Best we can hope for now is for hyperautists in the community who aren't down with the poz to branch off of mainline ASCII DF, and keep it alive if and when Toady goes full jew and abandons/outright shitcans non-shitty DF.
47d85f No.16247232
d60504 No.16247351
I think the tileset looks nice
788d62 No.16247448
>>16243008
>ackshully see
Toady isn't an animator nor an artist. These graphics aren't his creation. So you're seeing someone else's representation of the game. Just like all other tilesets. People who have been playing this in ASCII or another tileset for years will feel this game differently because they've made the graphics and got used to them in their heads. Some people will see it on Steam, buy it, and stop playing after a bit.
ASCIIs biggest advantage is allowing the developer to concentrate on development rather than graphics/sound. But for a story-telling simulator like DF I think an abstracted style is actually better than graphics. An almost book vs film situation.
b2a16c No.16247899
My biggest problem with limiting to "ASCII" is only 256 symbols trying to represent a million different things. Color coding doesn't really extend that set of symbols. A tileset is mostly a texture swap, sure it can add creature sprites, but everything else is still limited to that small set. And it fucks up text without an exe mod.
He should have redesigned the graphics system into something that can use more that 256 symbols with fallback to "ASCII" tiles, and that not limited to just creatures. He would be developing with the fallback set, while tileset creators make thousands of icons for all the objects and terrain tiles.
094b9f No.16247915
I'd love to find out if the people who bitch and moan about normalcattle invading their game are also Linux niggers, because it sure as shit sounds that way.
>Don't make my stuff more accessible!
>Don't implement quality of life features!
>If you don't use Arch/unmodded DF you are a RETARD AND A NIGGER REEEEE
608131 No.16248169
>>16242617
>expensive medication
Sounds like Zach has AIDS
27005e No.16248595
>>16248169
No, it's just Stage 2 cancer.
If I remember it right.
563fd6 No.16248638
>>16247899
He already did that, it's not true ASCII it's a tileset with a mix of letters and custom symbols.
c67252 No.16248682
>>16248638
>he already did that
>he didn't do it at all and it is exactly what you just complained about
Seriously?
a62b9e No.16248763
>>16242969
I mean hey, you post on /v/, and you post on 8chan. Those two things are perfect reasons to say you might be autistic.
c996a0 No.16249149
>>16242879
i hope to, but alas i fear it will never come
The intended audience is spergs who like to spend 4 years learning what some combination of symbols and colors mean instead of actually playing a game
669c7b No.16249177
Can I mod it to make the game about orcs orcing?
27005e No.16249298
>>16249177
Just get masterwork.
It has them.
a28378 No.16249349
>>16244902
>Anyone who actually plays will know that both of those dumb homos only made a couple of tilesets, which were absolute dogshit, and only got popular because of being pimped by that dumb duck faggot and being included in the braindead nigger pack.
Meph also made the Masterwork mod, you fucking idiot, so you're instantly wrong about them "only making a couple tilesets". You're trying way too hard here.
If you re-read my post you'll see that I never said a single word about their quality, I only said that they've had long-term involvement in the community, which is absolutely true.
Personally I prefer to play vanilla with square ascii tiles, so your autistic screeching is just preaching to the choir.
The SJW connections with this Kitfox company are of far greater concern. I hope for Toady's sake that he knows what he's doing by partnering with them.
I'm in agreement with >>16246626, I think it's totally unnecessary to work with these people in the first place. He could easily publish the game on Steam all on his own without their help.
46fc69 No.16249904
>>16248682
Calling Dwarf Fortress ASCII belies the fact that it isn't actually printing any text on screen. Toady deliberately underutilized his own game's renderer by creating a tileset that mimics ASCII even though his renderer is perfectly capable of ignoring this limit without issue. Modders generally do not adhere to those limits if they don't want to.
3fc630 No.16249954
I always found pure dwarf fortress extremely eye watering to look at and thats coming from an anon who spends his days infront of the screen 13+ hours a day, My eyes want to focus on every individual character.
5e5cf4 No.16254733
As someone who plays on a non windows platform where you have to install everything manually without pretty much any documentation I welcome this. I'm playing a 15 months old version atm because I can't get a current version with some current tools to work.
I don't think this game will appeal to normalniggers even if it gets more casual. I mean even with a new tileset it looks like some 1998 game.
5af482 No.16259066
>>16242793
Because all human have "The source of light means up" embedded into their DNA, which when adapted to a flat top down perspective means from the north of the view. Which is exactly the system that the vast majority of 2D games make use of, so there's the a life long set of trained assumptions in addition to regular intuition that this fuckup of a lighting system has to fight against to be readable. If a user can't instantly figure out what is going on, then the designer has fundamentally failed.
This is "GTK+ file picker" levels of continual failure to grasp the basics of successful UI.