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>>16208990

grinding and backtracking are good things, but a bad story is inexcusible.

mrgrgr

The only good thing about the game was the job system and Edea

>>16209000

All three of those things are bad, especially in excess. Bravely Default is an overdose of all of it, I have no idea why people speak fondly of the game at all. I suspect most of the people that liked it only played for about 5-10 hours before the major flaws started to sink in.

By the time it goes into the looping bullshit it's beyond redemption.

>>16208990

What's weird is that they clearly knew the grinding was a problem, so instead of fixing that shit and making the game balanced towards better party composition and strategy, they added in the option to adjust encounter rate, increase battle speed, auto battle, increase XP, JP, and Gold. As if to say "You have to do this, so you may as well make it quirker"

I'm trying to get into this game but I just can't. It feels so slow and boring. I'm trying to get the rainbow thread and at the end I gotta fight some dragon who just wipes my team in 1 move. I'm level 17/18 and there's just no way for me to tell if I'm overleveled for where I am or underleveled. I can knock out most enemies in 1 round if I brave, but I don't want to waste time fighting since I'll need cure for bosses and everyone has shit mana. Plus fucking elixirs are 1000 goddamn gold and I just don't have any cash. If I want to use a black mage they have to use magic, because if they try to hit the enemy with their rod or staff it does 1 fucking damage. So basically I have to turn off encounters til I find the boss and then hope I can last while spamming cure to win. Then I tried doing that quest with the water merchant and Edea (who was, up until then, my main damage dealer) could only hit the assassin guy for 1 FUCKING DAMAGE! The only way to restore mana is to go all the way back to the inn in town or grind until I get 1000 bucks to buy an elixir which only recovers 50 mana. Then I get to a boss and it turns out some member of my party will suddenly only hit for 1 fucking damage every time. And don't even get me started on the status effects. Blind or silence or poison basically lasts forever, and I have to waste a turn fixing it only for the enemy to just spam the same move after.

>Cuckchan cannot enjoy one of the better handheld RPGs

go away

Wasn't this game censored? I think thats why i never got around to playing it

>>16209325

Not really "weird", it's an expected copout for lazy devs

>>16209509

This. Almost as bad as Etrian Odyssey.

>>16209891

Why are you still posting? Shouldn't you still be grinding so you can stand a chance to beat that FOE on floor 300? Or maybe you should use that strategy guide which is virtually required in order to beat the game.

Airy doesn't want to help. She wants to bring the her Master into the world to annihilate it. The Church isn't evil per say, just has a history of corruption just like the real Catholic church. .

>>16208990

>>16209276

You never have to grind.

You just suck fucking balls at the game.

>>16209919

The game itself is a grind.

Edea is a cutie pie and a miracle of the universe.

>>16209529

>>16209872

>>16209897

Pathetic

>>16210560

Keep going. The remixed bossfights are fun.

bravely default is shit

grindy, low budget, samey, only the last bosses were fun, and the OST was good. Thats about it. the gameplay is a broken mess.

>>16210541

>fill me full of cum, bro

I'd hang out with her.

>>16209000

>grinding

>good

>ever

Grinding is a result of the dev's incompetence. In a properly made game, the content is paced so that you never need to grind - you can be forced to go do side missions and optional dungeons to progress, but you never ever need to go through the same old content again and again to see numbers rise. In fact, I'd argue a properly designed game makes grinding entirely impossible by disabling enemy respawn - there's a limited amount of experience in the world that you can get, and you need to make do with that. The whole philosophy behind grinding is "I'm too retarded to properly manage player progression" and that's the better case. The worse case is "My game is shit and content lasts like 5 hours tops, but I want to shit out a 20 hour long game, so I'll gate content with bullshit OP bosses that force you to grind several hours each."

>>16211082

I agree.

Some RPGs use level scaling successfully to the point that you can't even tell it's in effect.

Normally, if you played any Beth game you'd be strongly against such a system, but when done well it's actually pretty effective.

They gave the writing to the Steins;gate dude, who is a huge hack that managed to make one good visual novel and since then he's trying to hack his way in the industry trying to come with THE PLOT TWIST in all his stories despite them being shit.

The entire game exists for the plot twist around the fairy and it is a piece of shit. You are literally destroying parallel entire fucking universes and the main characters are all like HURRR WE SHOULD KEEP DOING THIS.

The motivations and behavior of every and all characters is so fucking dumb. The job system is good though, it's just that is terribly implemented in the story.

>>16209276

>I suspect most of the people that liked it only played for about 5-10 hours before the major flaws started to sink in.

The start is the worst part of the game. It's a generic RPG without an interesting story or creative dungeons or encounters. It only gets good after the first loop once you unlock the actually useful classes. Then the game becomes Justice League vs. The Crisis on Infinite Earths.

>>16209499

if you get Bravely Default - For the Sequel (Japan release only), you get the best of both worlds:

uncensored costumes, english text and voice options, and the additional international content. It's unfortunate that freeShop died as you're now on your own for a .cia

the real problem is Bravely Second:

censorship and tone-friendly localizations aside, some faggot on the translation team decided to fuck up its replayability and it's fucking obvious something's wrong.

throughout the game you're given either/or options for resolving various conflicts.

in Japan you'd make your choice and someone would be unhappy with the outcome. On your second pass through the game you'd make the other choice and get the opposite scenario out of it, and finally on the third pass you'd unlock a third option that can resolve the scenario happily for everyone.

in the International release, you'd make your choice and get the third pass's happy ending for everyone. No replay value and a huge logical disconnect, all because some faggot on the translation staff thought players want less content in their games

>>16210560

>End Layer came out over a year ago

I just realized I haven't heard anything about this game since it was in localization hell. Was it really so bad that no one discussed it?

>>16211082

The only RPGs I've really enjoyed from a gameplay perspective are Chrono Trigger, Xenoblade, Shin Megami Tensi 4, and LISA. You know how much grinding I had to do in any of them?

FUCKING ZERO

You should win once you git gud. Not because you put in so many hours one-shotting mooks.

>>16211261

>Was it really so bad that no one discussed it?

Yea it's irredeemable. The post above you is on the money. Plus more costume and text censorship.

>>16208983

>If it wasn't for Edea's ass

You do know that in the Japanese version, they're canonically underage, right?

>>16208990

Forced grinding? Not really

I was 99 and capped all classes before the first half of the game and was actually sad that I couldn't grind harder

The fucking city building minigame and online features were pretty ass though

Never bothered finishing the game because the story was pretty much over after the fairy becomes fatty monster, the rest is so obvious I lost all interest.

I also hated how, besides for abusive strategies like that one that have you attack with 3 characters and then make everyone invulnerable for 4~turns and repeat ad nauseum, there's literally no synergy in the game. You just go everyone dark night vampire and spam the OP skills while getting auto buffed every turn until it caps and stays there forever.

You can't even play the default tank/healer because it takes a single attack from the boss one shotting the healer for the whole strategy to crumble irreparably.

I decided to never finish the game instead of decreasing the difficulty

The best parts of Bravely Default were

>On replays you can see the BIG TWEEST mile fucking off if you're paying attention (Airy is always evasive, HER WINGS, MOTHERFUCKERS, everything about Ringabel, etc)

>snapping the game over your knee with comical ease, being able to literally one-shot bosses if you know how without any grinding at all (literally capable of doing one of them at level 1 if you have a single item and a single time-stop)

>The way it handles the bad end and the 'golden path' good end

>Everything about the Brave/Default system

It's a decent game. I don't remember doing any specific grinding, and even if you did need to work up a job or character level, all the little ways you can streamline it make it much less of a pain to no pain at all. The loops are a little silly and excessive, but they're just about the only knock against the game.

>>16209909

>EO and the final boss isn't that difficult once you realize he nukes you if you buff too much

How the fuck is someone supposed to figure that out?

Are you expected to wipe to the boss repeatedly? It's like bosses that do attacks once every nth turns. how the fuck am I supposed to figure out that the boss is not just picking skills from a skill list on a whim? Like almost every single fucking game does?

Why am I to understand that the boss will keep his final most powerful attack and only use it if you "buff too much"?

This is what makes these dumb fucking games a requirement to read the walkthroughs

>>16211916

>HER WINGS, MOTHERFUCKERS

I never noticed until someone pointed out, and by then I was already frying the ugly bug

>>16211486

almost subtle :^)

>>16211927

>How the fuck is someone supposed to figure that out?

Perhaps when you use the buff and they respond with the nuke? I dunno, it's like learning that you don't stick to Rathalos's ass because the animation of him turning around is a tail swipe. Or learning that Nargacuga will punish you going for the tail cut if you're not careful. Or learning how to deal with knights in Dark Souls 3. Or…

Learning to play the fucking game and know when it's trying to tell you something.

>>16211968

>Perhaps when you use the buff and they respond with the nuke?

A) Is it instant and off of his own turn?

B) Or he just happens to use the skill on the same turn you used buffs?

The other examples make sense, there's an animation that telegraph the attack

If it's B then you will only figure out after wiping multiple times and after writing down in a fucking excel sheet all of the skills that were used on all turns and then cross reference that the ONLY AND ALWAYS uses the nuke when you buff

Makes sense if it's A

>>16211968

>know when it's trying to tell you something

You have no way to know if it's because you buffed or because you had bad luck and the boss picked the skill on that turn for shits and giggles

>>16211991

I mean, I don't play EO myself. Never really got around to it. It just sounds like the sort of mechanic I see elsewhere, in other games, where trying to do the tactic you rely on like a crutch will get you demolished. Seems standard fare to me.

>>16211927

>>16211991

Alternatively you could play one of the good EOs instead of the shitty first game

FUCKING FLAG, use the goddamn thing once and it follows you everywhere I swear goddamn. sage for doublepost, just making sure it stops sticking

>>16211941

>not noticing when Ringabel points it out ingame

>>16212296

I guess it didn't ring any bells

>>16212420

So, it's such a shitty game design that you are meant to wipe on the boss multiple times before you have any chance of winning?

Also, why don't she just spam it? What's the ingame explanation?

>If people actually pay attention, these things aren't hard to notice.

Maybe if you expect shit game design to begin with

>You never payed attention to when he was nuking you and didn't think that there was a certain condition that had to be met for him to use it

Because I don't consider "Maybe the devs are cunts and filled the bosses with arbitrary random conditions for team wipe attacks"

If the game gives an explanation for why the boss waits for you to buff to wipe you, instead of spamming that shit from the first turn, then I will accept it (if the explanation is good)

>>16210509

Holy shit that is a lewd goddamn fairy

>>16212007

In this game I will have to defend the faggot because there is usually zero fucking indication that it's having buffs that triggers it. Some bosses even have attacks that get more common the more buffs you have, which is incredibly unclear. Also, buffs are essential in EO and there are always classes that exist just to buff, so it's simply bad boss design to have bosses that essentially make entire classes useless. Look up the AI patterns for something like Primevil and fucking tell me you would figure that shit out. Don't forget that it includes outright RNG at some points and also changes past certain HP thresholds (there are zero indications that you've passed one and you can't even see their HP number or percentage). The superbosses at the very end of EO endgames are genuinely shittily designed and force the player to use very specific teams. A team that is well built for the entire game up until that point can be outright incapable of beating the superboss because of how incredibly strict it is in regards to what your team needs. It defeats the fucking point of the whole making your own party aspect.

That said anyone saying that you need to grind for all the normal content in EO is a gigantic faggot. You get over leveled just by exploring everything and doing the quests. Hell, the latest one has even casuals complaining about being over leveled. That's how much exp it showers you in.

>>16212469

>A team that is well built for the entire game up until that point can be outright incapable of beating the superboss because of how incredibly strict it is in regards to what your team needs

Which would actually be fine if the game straight out told you the boss attack patterns, instead of you having to look online, which also happens to show the perfect team to steamroll the boss.

Give a mechanic that lets you send scouts to the boss, said scouts would then report the complete boss AI or something, then there's no more shitty surprises and it's actually your own fault if you win or lose

>>16212713

>So having to pay attention to a bosses pattern is bad game design

If they are based on random shit like what item is in your 3rd inventory slot or how many buffs you have, yes

>>16212420

Seymour from FFX? How is that faggot supposed to be hard? Hell, how if ANY boss in that dumb game supposed to be hard. YOU CAN DELAY A BOSS' TURN AND YOU CAN CHARGE UP LIMITS FOR EACH BOSS. Walk into a boss fight, use limits, win. Every god damn boss is the same. The only boss I had to restart on was Yunalesca (I think that was her name) because either the game or the emulator bugged out and one of my characters just started running backwards forever.

>>16212713

I only played EO to the first boss and quit because it was boring, but every FOE and the doggy boss went the same way: start the fight by casting party wide defense buff and attack buff on turn one, and on turn two, either buff speed or start giving elemental weapon buffs. Also had a magic resist buff that I didn't have to use, which I would've used on turn 1 when fighting later bosses or FOEs. So that would mean the boss would use that 1 shot nuke on my party on the second round. Which means I'd either need to ditch one of my party members, and/or use that de-level function to change my skill build on my tank and healer so that they function without relying on buffs. Which seemed pretty fucking crucial, at least up to the first boss.

>mantis FOE thing 1 shots party members without buffing and my two DD hit it for 20-25 dmg with auto attacks

>with buffs it hits for 25% of my health and I hit for 90 dmg

>oh hey buffs are good, let's build the party around them

>oh hey this boss can't be killed if you use a lot of buffs

That's just shit game design. It'd be like having the last boss of a game be a slugfest and giving the boss an aura that permanently shuts down healing. And the game allows AND encourages a tank/heal/DPS party, AND it was really strong up until that point. What's that, you didn't make a party with summoners and evasive characters? Fuck you!

>>16212770

>complain about needing guides to win

>admit to using a guide

>>16212921

I didn't complain about need a guide to win. Work on your reading comprehension. Also, the guide I used was for skills, because EO's in-game skill descriptions are worthless.

>>16212767

>That's going to happen in any difficult game

Not in a well designed game

The boss should have similar but 'more advanced' mechanics that the enemies before it have or something similar, instead of randomly adding strange conditions to attacks

>You might as well bring up the "artificial difficulty" nonsense like it's an old Dark Souls thread

In dark souls (except for 2 due to " '"'"shockwaves"'"'") you can just walk in circles during a boss fight to figure out it's attacks

>And he doesn't instantly kill you as soon as you start

But why? it's clearly capable of doing so

The only reason is because the devs are faggots, that's why

>Bosses changing up their AI or attack pattern based on what you do isn't anything new to RPGs

Yeah, but most often it's not some random arbitrary shit meant to sell strategy guides

>>16212972

>The boss should have similar but 'more advanced' mechanics that the enemies before it have or something similar, instead of randomly adding strange conditions to attacks.

Or you should have a balanced party that can adapt to any situation rather than put all your eggs in one basket.

>>16212972

>a well designed and difficult game will have you beat every boss in one go

seems legit

>>16212980

>make tons of different builds available

<only lets 10% of those win the game

>>16212983

That's called having clear attack telegraphs

>>16212980

>not autistically min-maxing

>>16212970

Using buffs and debuffs in RPGs isn't a gimmick, it's a core part of a lot (most, almost all?) RPGs out there. Buffs and debuffs are as integral to stat based RPGs as healing, damage reduction/resistance, positioning, consumable items, trash mobs, and bosses. I think the bigger issue in this particular case is having a class that only does 1 thing in combat, have it's 1 thing be made detrimental on the last boss. If the Troubadour had other uses in combat other than buffs, and if it wasn't the last boss and with the mechanic coming out of nowhere and unexplained, then it wouldn't be an issue. But a game that makes one of your party members all but useless right the end is just dumb.

>have tanking class that can force enemies to target it

>build up most of your party's defensive capabilities around the tank

>last boss can't be tanked I can't remember what game did this, but I know I played one where my tank became worthless as I got near the end

>have healing class that keeps your party alive

>your only healer dies right before the last boss because of some gay story shit

>forced to fight last boss without a healer fuck you Dragon Age 2

>have rogue class main character that functions as a backstabber/crit machine, but relies on party members to keep enemies distracted

>can't backstab or crit certain types of enemies like undeads

>last boss is an undead fuck you Neverwinter Nights 2

>>16213050

Shit meant to say that the last boss is a 1v1 fight, although in that particular case your lover could come along. Still sucked if you played a Rogue and had baldy as your lover.

>>16213101

>and he telegraphs it by wiping all your buffs on the turn before using it

Breath of Fire 4 final boss also kept spamming sanctuary (clears buffs), that's not a telegraph for anything

>>16213101

>final boss only does this nuke if you have 10 or more buffs

It was 2 buffs until now

Also, why 10? who came up with that random ass number? That's why it's shit, it's devoid of all logic. It's just some random arbitrary shit the brainlet devs came up with for no good reason

>>16212995

<only lets 10% of those win the game

You can beat the game solo. You can beat the game with a team of only 1 class if you wanted to. You're really just making shit up to excuse your poor team building and lack of understanding of the game's mechanics/boss patterns.

>>16213050

It's only a certain number of buffs on the field at once. For this reason, you're going to have to weigh which buffs are most important for the situation. As for the boss using that cyclone move, there's another boss earlier that does something similar. Instead of it being based on buffs, it's based on if you bind it. Which is another important mechanic of the game. Also I meant the team was a one that relied on one gimmick. Not that the buffs themselves are a gimmick.

>>last boss can't be tanked I can't remember what game did this, but I know I played one where my tank became worthless as I got near the end

Reminds me of Final Fantasy 12 where the final boss had piercing spells so reflect wouldn't work against him.

>>16213114

>that's not a telegraph for anything

Unlike breath of fire, this boss does that exclusively before the nuke

>It was 2 buffs until now

>Also, why 10?

mismatched terminology

Since you have 5 party members, using one party wide buff is the same as having 5 buffs. 10 makes sense as it's equivalent to stacking 2 party wide buffs.

Come to think of it this whole buff dispell shit might be foresight on the devs part, it's a really common strategy in EO1 to stack the 2 strongest defence buffs (which are both party wide) which makes almost every attack deal neglegible damage and you can cheese the game really easily like that

>>16208983

Bravely Default is just an inferior version of Final Fantasy 5. A lot of people shit 5's story for being bland, but Bravely Default's story is even more bland than that.

>>16213214

I came here to post this. Just play the Custom Classes romhack and it blows Bravely Default out of the water. The only good thing about that game from what I played, since I dropped it before the time loops started is the Brave/Default system, and that's it.

You don't know job systems until you have a mage that literally cannot do anything else but cast spells.

All three games (4 Heroes of Light is part of the series in the same way Final Fantasy Adventure is a Mana game, the first games had Final Fantasy Gaiden in their Japanese titles) are really mixed for me. Like, for every good thing I find new problems. I liked a lot of 4HoL's presentation, but the lengths I had to go to to 100% the game I would have to write a fucking essay about. BD's OST is fucking great, and the gameplay is fine, but the repetition makes me think they blew their budget on the really good OST. BS is a better overall experience gameplay wise but the new music isn't nearly as good and they found a way to make me hate the entire story more than BD's repetition (although BS's ending is completely retarded in every way that I like). I guess we could add Octopath to this since it has some of the same staff and seems to use 4HoL's not-Brave/Default system, but not only have I not played it yet despite it sitting on my Switch for a while now (Torna fucked me up), it's probably better to compare it to the SaGa games and I've only played 2 so I can't say much about it.

>>16211251

>if you get Bravely Default - For the Sequel (Japan release only), you get the best of both worlds:

>uncensored costumes, english text and voice options, and the additional international content. It's unfortunate that freeShop died as you're now on your own for a .cia

Good thing we have a Share thread (we DO have .cias, right?). Sad thing is someone got the game for my birthday years and years ago but not once did I even open it due to censorship.

>>16208983

So, it is Gundam Seed Destiny, but with Square's usual faggotry and hate-boner for the Church.?

>>16213822

I want a game where I can become literally Hitler and kill Jehova and Allah.

>>16210541

the artist that drew those last 3 pics never ceases to piss me off. He drew great shit like this, then proceeded to spiral into scat, and then just fucked off from the internet

>>16224455

Are vanilla artists the paladins of doujinry?

I'm trying desperately to get through to the end of this right now. Just got to chapter 7 and I'm over 70 hours in.

Is it worth fighting any of the sub-bosses or should I just rush straight to the crystals?

>>16213822

There is nothing wrong with hating a church as heretical as Catholicism.

>get to the point where you switch dimensions

>computer shits the bed and I lose all my progress

I had just started to be interested in the story too. Is it worth starting all over?

>>16214064

>>16227469

>>16213822

"Churches"/"Christianity"/"Catholicism" are just dogwhistles for Europeans.

>>16228755

Then why are the protagonists always aryan males?

>>16228755

Catholics are nothing but a bunch of idolaters. They are heretics no different from kikes or mudshits.

>>16228755

Maybe its a youngfag thing but honestly I don't see Christianity or Christians as white, I see it as some Spic Crypto-kike rulling a bunch of spics and niggers

I mean when was the last time you saw a white person outwardly be christian, probably years ey

>>16228755

Can I get what you're smoking? Sounds like good shit if you think Jewish and Islamic gods are the same as Europa's gods.

>>16232302

The idea of that image is fantastic, I just wish and actual drawfag would draw it.

>>16210509

Bondage Fairies (jap name Insect Hunters) by Kondom.

>>16214064

Play SMT IV Apocalypse and name your player HItler. There you go. the last boss is JHVH and you kill and replace him as god