/v/ - Video Games

>>16162204

zero, using tools like Gimp is already taking external help.

You need to give this 1MA thing a better criteria

>>16162223

pixel coded his own tools.

Cleve Blakemore

>>16162204

>do art without any external help not using external assets.

i mean in a broader sense do you consider paint tubes and canvas to be external assets? because there are plenty of traditional artists and even a smaller niche of artisans who make their own materials

>>16162240

He still used a computer made by someone else

"External help" can be literally anything, or rather, it's impossible to be a 1MA 'anything' nowadays.

And if he can BUY a computer, why couldn't he BUY a piece of audio or texture?

What is the line of "necessity" and "luxury"?

>>16162248

>not crushing snails to make your purple, crushing rats for your red, using earwax for your yellow pigmentation, mud for your brown etc

>>16162257

artistic vision.

1MA is about artistic integrity.

tools don't matter for the artistic integrity of a game, except for the engine.

>>16162268

>except for the engine

I was about to say "Then just call it a 'one man team'" and that would be the end of it

But then you had to be a fucking faggot

>>16162273

that's the meaning of it.

1 man army.

>>16162223

I think OP means people who do more than just buy shit off of asset stores or copy paste shit from stack overflow. GIMP, Blender, etc aren't external assets, they're just tools.

>>16162257

I think OP is just talking about how games today are either

>a giant army of pajeets

>re-using assets

>stealing assets

>buying stock audio/mesh/art/music from web stores

>>16162257

>you have to invent the universe from scratch to 1MA anything

Kill yourself

>>16162327

Heh, sorry kiddo, everything that already exists doesn't count. Too bad.

>>16162344

>not knowing there are dead genres with a crazy amount of potential

you're not a gamer, aren't you

>>16162366

Nigger I have no idea what you're even implying here, speak English

>>16162373

Who? Sage for offtopic

>>16162369

There are an large amount of singleplayer and multiplayer shooters being made, many different indie developers making platformers and metroidvanias, yet there are barely any rts games being developed in recent times, even the best stealth games could be improved tenfold with a stronger level design and more intelligent enemy, there are themes barely explored take the journey to the west aesthetic, only few games explore this or games about conspiracies or right-winged political themed games.

there's nothing wrong with making a clone and adding features like the ability to host your own server, larger player limit

Starjew Valley

>>16162478

>just pretending to be retarded

Like pottery

>>16162262

but you didn't make the dirt or water used in the mud

>Toby had other guys help him with undertale

Barely. Some other people came up with a few character designs, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have done it himself given a bit more time.

The thing is, most people can probably eventually learn everything they need to in order to create a complete game. They can learn to code, learn to draw/design characters and levels, learn to compose music, learn to write the storyline, learn how to advertise, etc. but it's going to take a fuckload of time. If you want to become a master of all of those aspects of game design, and each of them takes a few years, then it's going to be decades before you can actually make the game. And that's not even counting the insane amount of time it will take to DO all those things. People don't make games on their own because making a game is an affair of tens of thousands of man-hours. You can either split that up among a group and take a couple years, or you can do it yourself and be like Dwarf Fortress where it will literally never be finished. Your choice.

>>16166369

>and be like Dwarf Fortress where it will literally never be finished.

Dwarf Fortress? A game that sets out to simulate worlds with Toady's ambition being to tackle atomic particles one day? A game that increases the deph and complexity each update? You fucked m8? Even Nethack, similar to Dwarf Fortress development but with an actual team working on it, took 14 god damned years to be feature complete and it is still being worked on to keep it compatible and up to date.

You follow KISS , avoid the pitfalls of feature create or updating older graphics because your art skills improve mid-development, and you're not going to take forever.

>>16166574

>A game that increases the deph and complexity each update?

You're full of shit. A lot of updates just add inane shit or balance existing shit without doing anything like fixing the broken UI or broken tantrum spirals or the completely retarded drafting system or anything else. Because it's mostly based on procedural generation it NEVER had depth and any complexity is an illusion. Clutter is not complexity. A bunch of words thrown onto a page with some extremely basic rules governing how it forms together does not a novel make. At this point he's just continuing to pin additional gold rings onto a pig because it's never going to be whatever delusions he wants it to be.

>14 god damned years

That's way too long. You take that long and even the genre of the game you're making may be completely out of vogue. All the technology will have advanced beyond what you're doing to the point where better software and engines will likely be available. You'll be making a fucking DOS game when everyone is already on Windows 7.

>You follow KISS

In which case you'll end up with an unbelievably simple game, like the ones that programmers make in a month as a challenge. You just have no idea what it actually takes to do something! I bet you think writing a novel just involves sitting down and typing for a week.

>>16166687

What old ass version of Dwarf Fortress are you even talking about?

You are so far out of the loop, it's obvious you're talking out of your ass. Tantrum spirals have been fixed for nearly a decade which is why some people are complaining it's boring now. The only spirals that happen now is the new(ish) loyalty cascades. All complexity in Dwarf Fortress is the pathfinding, especially for the working water physics, constant checks for wear of objects, civ interaction with other civs, working physics with Mine carts and setting up power for those minecarts, etc. if you're a coder you'd know doing something with millions of objects interacting like that is going to be complex and take time.

Nethack has even less complex physics then Dwarf Fortress and all the time developing it comes from constantly adding new features, adding new interactions with current mechanics. The detail is so meticulous that even with a team it's taken them over a decade.

>In which case you'll end up with an unbelievably simple game,

You have never explored or researched either of the 2 games I mentioned.

>>16166814

>working water physics

>in a top-down, tile-based 2D game

I get it; you really like DF. But this level of shilling is just pants-on-head retarded.

>>16167903

Dwarf Fortress stopped being fully 2D since late 2007 and the tiles are now non-euclidean cubes.

>>16162223

Or you need to tone down your autism.

>>16162344

anti mass mate

>>16167968

Shill it is, then.