/v/ - Video Games

Do you have a plan of action?

Sorry man, but if people are going to take your thread seriously, you need to format your shit in a way that's not retarded, otherwise you're gonna get dubs'd on.

Give a shit.

Shit like this is exactly why the goober grappler general still exists. Take it there.

>>16112339

>>16112344

sorry fam, posting fast because i gotta go to work to make my gaems. i'll try to post cleaner later just needed to dump something

>>16112350

good point

>>16112290

Don't know why shills are trying to slide it hard, not only is it anti-consumer, it's also anti-dev as well.

>>16112290

>independent developers

>forming a union

How's that supposed to work?

>>16112333

no plan of action, it's just starting to be clear to me that they're shilling it hard and it's going to come in to play fast because it will give them a lot of leverage to push all their bullshit everywhere at once across gamedev industry - and all the good devs are quiet and don't/can't speak up

>more power to developers, less to corporations

Oh no, the travesty.

>>16112357

i dont know, it doesn't make sense, but they'll use the worst examples of AAA game studios and regular muh capitalist to push for enforced socialist policies at smaller studios so all the shitty commie devs that make trouble and don't work hard can get into the industry and stay there and do the usual cycle of hiring more of their commie friends and HR and diversity and you know the routine

>>16112353

>>16112352

It shouldn't be moved there, every anon should know about this.

>>16112357

Since the majority of them are power hungry leftists, they'll restrict you from using services, software, or engines if you don't join their union. That's why it should be opposed.

>>16112362

HAHAHAHA, that's priceless. If anything, it just strengthens AAA corporations and fucks over the independent ones. That's why popular B movies like Mad Max and the Terminator aren't released theatrically anymore, only hollywood films are.

Will never happen. The All stars will try to make a union and the companies will just laugh at them and hire pajeets and people fresh out of college who don't join the union. It's the same shit Ashley Burch and Solid Jew tried to pull with voice actors. It doesn't work in an industry over supplied with talent constantly. Unions only work if no one else has the skills or the experience to fill the union jobs. They can and they do.

It'll be like the pro wrestling "union" all over again. Any one who tries it gets shit canned and those who don't get slightly better deals but on a 1 to 1 basis.

>>16112362

honestly im not against the principle in some ways, but i am 100% sure this is just going to be a way for them to push shitty policies to all dev studios - did you have your mandatory bias training seminar before that post?

>>16112357

Indie-dev tax to support SanFran indys.

>>16112362

>>16112379

yeah pretty much

can you imagine a SINGLE person that ends up on the board of these unions that would be allowed to wrongthink against the (agenda)?

it'll be femfreq ppl, twitter bluechecks, and journalists, funelling money out of actual devs

>>16112377

>>16112379

>>16112383

People should oppose it under the basis that all leftists spontaneously abuse their power for personal gain. Would you seriously trust people who kick you for allegations, ignoring due process and dismissing evidence? The same people proposing it are the same idiots who wanted the Covington kids expelled without looking at the full 2hr footage. To trust these dishonest numbskulls with leadership positions is hilarious.

>Our number one goal is building the foundations for mass game industry unionization, starting from the bottom up, primarily by prioritizing workers on a local scale. To achieve this, we hold the following as core tenets:

>Empowering the voices of workers and reducing worker exploitation continuously beyond our unionization efforts, amongst other efforts to empower those who are underrepresented.

>Distributed organizing and distributed power. We seek to find solidarity with all workers and organizations that seek to raise up the power of the working classes.

>We stand against all racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, ableist, classist, ageist, or otherwise derogatory language and behavior. We stand against all forms of oppression and exploitation.

https://www.gameworkersunite.org/points-of-unity

Oh, boy.

>>16112405

ive been to indie events in LA and they have posters of this shit everywhere - all the regular indie commie scene is connected to all of this, the journalists and the blue checks and the people that run the indie awards/events/shows

it kinda is flying under the radar right now in some ways, but all the pieces are moving into place - they have their IGDA report, the tweets are starting to push out from the loud voices, etc. it's all the same tactics they use everywhere and it's pretty clear how things go

>>16112432

and it will go absolutely nowhere. it's targeted at big studios/publishers, you think they give a fuck? even worse it directly threatens their bottom line, you can bet they deal with it differently than use some sjw buzzwords to deflect criticism and placate shareholders. none of their devs will do anything either, because as much as they complain, gamedev is still a cushy job with high supply, only a retard would be unaware of that and rather end up indie (gl with that) or completely out of the industry which is way less comfortable for most.

>they have their IGDA report, the tweets are starting to push out from the loud voices

and all of them will be shitcanned soon or be smart enough to keep their trap shut from the start. journos and the rest of the shitters are already losing ground to "influencers" and retards with a webcam day by day, they are already spreading their cheeks wide for big publishers, the minute they endanger those juice ad contracts and journo perks either their smarter colleagues or the suits will tear them a new one (not publicly of course, that wouldn't be virtue signaling).

unless real devs will get a union and not have to deal with cheap h1b and shit moving overseas no one will give a flying fuck about some bottom of the barrel gamedevs that can't even hack it in the real industry.

>>16112432

They lure people in by lying that it empowers the poor and assists independent creators. In reality, it does the exact opposite while handing power to a select disconnected few who make you poor from unconfirmed allegations. From what we've seen in the film industry, it empowers existing AAA corporations to fuck over independent creators and enthusiastic consumers.

Independent/foreign movies used to have the same platform as Hollywood films, now the majority of them are restricted to streaming services or TV. The ones that do make it into the theater have a limited release that makes it difficult for them to gain substantial revenue. They can no longer gross the same amount as Mad Max and The Terminator.

Centralization is always bad as your options are limited if things go wrong, decentralization is good because there's plenty of alternatives on the table.

The commies

>>16112552

>under California law EA *must* recognize them and collectively bargain with their rep

It's gonna be glorious. All the big publishers are going to drown under the collective incompetence of diversity hires forced upon them and their insane demands.

>>16112549

The AAA industry is already heavily centralized, there's three maybe four big players just like there was about four big Hollywood studios (before they all got bought by larger media conglomerates).

>>16112501

EA will probably be part of it since they like to virtue signal

Texas is a right to work state. If I make a business here for game development then will I have to follow the union rules?

>>16112536

>>16112521

Not only will it be bad for consumers, it'll be bad for creators as well. The type of people running it will deny a platform or service to creators who oppose them in any way, shape, or form. Game dev is not fully about the income, a lot of devs started out young with free/pirated tools. That opportunity should never be restricted more to reward writers of gay VNs in unions.

>>16112599

Companies already do that, Unions won't be able to affect it since they don't own the code because (as much as many would want otherwise) the AFL is not a communist organization that demands ownership of anything it's members create. They only care about money.

Also devs starting out with free/pirated tools can do that anyway by making it themselves and not dealing with software they don't own in the first place.

>>16112622

They say they don't want to own your work now. What is stopping them from taking ownership of your work later?

>>16112582

True, but independent creators are allowed to publish their games on large platforms like Steam, Discord, Unreal, or Play Store, similar to how B/independent movies used to be released in regular theaters. Before the 90s, theaters used to be the equivalent of Steam. There were great and bad films made by different voices since it was decentralized. Nowadays, you mostly get good films or polished turds made to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

>>16112290

Here's an idea, why don't WE set up the union then WE control the videogames?

>>16112643

What about when VCRs and home box office hits? Didn't indies move to direct to home video anyway because the there was over charging them in favor of big studio blockbusters?

>>16112666

Well with Satan on board what could possibly go wrong

>>16112622

>Companies already do that, Unions won't be able to affect it since they don't own the code

They can because those types always inevitably abuse their power. It's only a matter of when they'll do it. The majority of tools (Autodesk/Adobe/Unity) are subscription based and they send data without your consent. What's going to prevent unions from revoking your license over allegations? They already deplatform content creators from payment processors, so it's not much of a leap for them to do it with software too.

>>16112675

Of course they did, but they used to have the same platform as AAA/Hollywood films. That's how Mad Max became popular

>>16112639

Because it would mean less cash money for the union leadership, reps and members. It's cheaper to be a parasite then to rebuild the factory in a new image. And again the AFL is all about money, it's primary goal is to maximize each members' wages because it means they can demand higher dues which allow for higher leader salaries. It's all about money, a thing communists have no use of.

>>16112643

Before the 90s theaters cried crocodile tears as VHS destroyed their monopoly. Then when the internet popped up, they pulled a 180 and tried to save physical media by trying to ban filesharing via the DMCA which also failed. They failed to adapt when workers largely did, just look at how neo-nazis were the first adopters of VHS, the internet, filesharing and social media. Ultimately the "theater" stopped mattering as a concept because anyone who wants to make their own film will just buy a camera and do it rather than ((((pitch)))) it. Unionization (or a lack thereof) didn't matter because media changed so much, rendering it irrelevant.

In the context of videogames it's especially irrelevant because any company that would have a Union drive is already large enough where it only makes AAA garbage, and the larger the Union gets the higher the minimum volume becomes in order to sustain the required member dues. Also thanks to the 'net there's no gatekeepers, anyone can sell anything they want at any time through their own website.

>>16112731

>Also thanks to the 'net there's no gatekeepers, anyone can sell anything they want at any time through their own website.

They'll cut you from every service (domain registrar, payment processor, server, etc) to get their way. Especially if they proclaim to be a part of a "credible" organization with clout.

>>16112708

B movies were a thing in the 70s because the average consumer could not afford a home film device. In the 80s VCRs became popular because big companies were paying theatre more to host their films than the B companies. So naturally B-tier companies got in deals with VCR manufacturers to publish there in hopes to draw the new consumer. It worked. But then with the end of the format wars and DVD (including Blu-Ray) being monopolized big companies used the same tactic with theatres for video format (Sony being the owner of DVD/BR especially). This wound up killing a lot of B-tier studios outside of Hollywood as well.

Most film makers moved to YouTube to make short independent films with no budget. The damage was done. Most of the talent from B-tier studios left for better job opportunities in other careers while the "indie hipsters" (hacks that get away with their Hollywood connections) took over self-publishing film. Sure we have Netflix now but most talent they hire are Calarts Hollywood hacks. Not to mention the insurance cost of film making for property, patent trolling, and health damages are insane now that you need a big company to back you up outside a third world shit hole.

It looks like video games are heading down the same path. Death of physical media. Unionized marketplaces. All we need is platforms to overcharge indies that don't have Hollywood union connections in favor of big games and… Oh yeah, that happened seventh console generation. Some indies came back on digital stores but there's literally no physical format for indies to publish on. Similar to how there's no more theaters that take indie films outside of mom and pop ones. America is in the unionization phase now. The union is already playing the diversity card. We have to see if we're going to have to follow it's rules in all states.

>>16112552

How many studios do you think EA has in california? Look at a Triple A game credits these days. It lists 20 studios or so. If Studio A strikes they will just laugh at them, fire them all and hire more people else where. Most game devs are a 1 and done job any way. The producer hires who he needs to work on the project, then hires outside stable studios to do the work for these people. Look at the guys who made the Driver series, their studio got rolled up and now they just do the driving mechanics and segments for larger projects. It's more profitable for them and they don't have to deal with bullshit politics within the company

>>16112770

>VCRs come out

>Mum and pops stores need movies to rent

>Rental places take as many movies as they can

>Big studios buy up rental chainstores and start giving them (((huge))) discounts on movies to rent

>Mum and pops stores can no longer compete on price with blockbuster

>Blockbuster proceeds to push all the mum and pops stores out of business

>B movies can no longer get in blockbuster because it's so full of (((free))) Hollywood movies shitting up entire walls.

There's a good documentary called VHS massacre that goes into details. It even has Troma's Lloyd Jewman on it who explains this is how all industries work. He changed his business model to deal with the internet. Instead of trying to sell stuff he just uses youtube to make money. He has a huge library to upload and can viral market the shit out of it on shock value. Apparently he's making pretty good money off of it and can fund new projects and buy up old B movie rights to upload.

>>16112777

The studios aren't in California dumb ass. The HQ is but the outside studios are all over the place to keep costs down. You can pay Bob in Iowa a lot less than Tranny in SF. So that's what they do.

>>16112771

Unions are International, any any Union operating in California can operate in any other US state, Canada or Mexico without much effort. They'd have to outsource it to subsidiaries in Europe or Asia, but their ability to do this and still ship a working product is limited. Animators, artists and writers all already got their own Unions. The only people who don't have anything are IT, programmers and devs themselves.

Even if they did what you said, their ability to do it is limited as with each mass firing the minimum amount for forced Unionization is lowered. The more people they fire, the greater leverage existing staff have. It's also self-destructive in that the more aggressively anti-Union they are, the more Democrats will take notice and begin regulating their operations. This is exactly what happened to Uber and Tesla over the past five years.

>and they're going to fuck everything up for any remaining devs that arent comped

Anyone who isn't comped will leave and make their own company. Unionism won't have a negative effect on the industry, if anything it'll just burn the current shit hole companies to the ground and do us a favor. But for what it's worth OP I doubt Activision or any other kike company will ever let a Union try taking power away from them.

>>16112344

Nice dubs

>>16112822

Even nicer dubs.

>>16112818

Do you know how many stupid kids there are wanting to make video games? How many kids spend time learning UE4 these days with dreams of going into game dev? You massively underestimate how harsh the competition is for these jobs. And they don't even have to be very good to get hired. They can buy up unity assets, change the hair style a bit and that's all they need to do. Most of the main work is done by pajeets already and they just polish it up and spit shine it.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE UNIONIZE

It would be so magnificent half the industry would purge all marxists from their ranks. The other half will fully succumb to their will and be Venezuela in 2-3 years.

n'ah

>>16112844

They don't convince people, they do it by force.

Just look how hot that worked out for the VO union. There is a time and place, but perpetually paying for POZ meds is not one.

>>16112863

Are you stupid nigger? These kids grew up on CoD and Skyrim. They would fucking kill to work at EA on Triple A games. Tell a soygoblin he can work on Battlefront 3 at EA and he'll suck your dick til it's a twiglet.

>>16112889

Coding takes a special form of autism. If you have art autism you likely don't have code autism. If you don't have the right mindset your eyes will just glaze over when you try it.

>>16112898

Most won't because EA has an oppressive corporate culture, like most large companies have. You severely underestimate the levels of self-importance hipsters assign themselves. The few that justify their existence with a company usually end up there through a buyout and not a hire anyway, the most obvious example I can think of is We Happy Few (which despite shipping a broken game managed to make a ton of money, which is why MS bought them. It is all about money).

Also why would anyone want to work on the next Battlefield when Fortnite is the shit? These people play the latest games actively because they're consumerist whores, to them EA is old news that's going to be filled with the oldest news (unions) very soon anyway.

>>16112917

>battlefield

so much faggots out there love EA for FIFA, and the only people who like or play BF are fanboys of EA shill personalities on YT

>>16112917

These people aren't hipsters, they're average teenage boys who grew up being told they can do anything they want. It used to be a rock star or a footballer and now it's a game dev. They would love to work on a new battlefield. It's like saying someone wouldn't want to work on terminator 8 because it's not Star wars 10. These people want to be in the industry, they WILL take the abuse because they're living their dream job with or without the abuse.

>>16112889

I do both, but they're entirely different. Programming is less tedious if you know math. It's also less about memorization/grinding and more about finding a effective solution to a problem.

>>16112596

>right to work

AKA "fuck you". This is the kind of bullshit that let HR cunts destroy companies from within by excluding and firing capable workers for the sake of duhvershitty.

>>16113301

There's a BBS documentary that talks about how going commercial destroyed BBSes and then the internet killed it entirely and we're in the same pattern they were

>>16113338

Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well.

I've watched the BBS documentary at least four times since it was released. Every once in a while I'll come back to it just to remind myself what things used to be like, and what we've lost.

It is truly amazing to see the pattern repeat itself over and over again. We're definitely going through the same process that killed the BBS, except it's worse because I don't think there's going to be an "out." In a way, BBS-style communities were given an extended lease on life because the Internet remained a mostly community-driven space in its early days. I don't think we're going to get to experience that sort of rebirth because the Internet is already so ubiquitous - I doubt it's going to ever be replaced by a new network, and if it is, the new net won't get a chance to be the same "wild-west" style network that we had with BBSes or the early Internet.

Unions are the worst

>inb4 nypa

First off, OP doesn't get to inb4, secondly get the fuck off my board.

Go to /vg/ if you want your gay general.

>>16113206

Right to work is an anti-union law it just makes it so employees are not forced to join the union.

>>16112797

>There's a good documentary called VHS massacre that goes into details

Thanks for recommending this by the way. I just got through it. It wasn't quite as detailed or complete as the BBS documentary but it was still an enjoyable watch.

>>16113814

but anon, normalfags are pro-union

they don't know any better

how will unions make games worse than they are right now ?

all of the other forms of entertainment have unions. gaming is the only one that doesn't.

>>16113882

That's because gaming is the only medium that isn't cucked, once it is unionized it'll be all over.

>>16112339

Tails looks like he's seen some shit.

>>16113891

what in the fuck are you talking about ? its the MOST cucked out of all of them.

you're a fucking dumbass

>>16113882

Since nobody will make any decent effort to actually answer the most important question "Why the fuck should anyone care one way or another?", I'll give it a shot.

Although, you can just skip all of this shit and read the story of Detroit for what Unions do to your city.

Theory:

Unions exist to defend the interests of whoever they represent, to lobby and fight against their bosses for better wages and work conditions. They are important social instutions that make sure workers aren't forced to work 16 hours every day, weekends included, without any compensation and do all this in a small cubicle without even a window nearby.

We'd technically see Devs being more motivated to do their job, less crunch time and horror stories about games being rushed when they are clearly unfinished. Also all those stories about a dev that added cool shit but was removed because they were running out of time or didn't care for what their employees did, that would end as well.

Reality:

Unions are a business like any other. Anyone that signs up for one has to pay mernbership fees, which may not seem much for someone working fulltime but it's a lot of workers paying, which means a large amount of profit for an organization that's not meant to profit at all. Something easy to achieve when you consider the salaries of their managers and representaives.

Often, the ones running the show in a union have little or no experience in the field they are defending. You'd think a Teacher's Union would have a teacher at it's core, right? Nope, just some schmuch that never entered a class room in his entire life, not even as a student.

This is, of course, not counting the "donations" that they can get from politicians to help their cause. It's perfectly legal for a senator to give money to some worker's union to help them achieve their goals, but you'd probably wonder "why would they do that?". Besides the obvious populist stunt to show they care about the workers even though they did nothing to help them? Let's just say the Unions are the ones calling all the protests and manifestations and they might decide to royally screw with a company, making demands all day long, just to screw someone that might not be that senators best friend.

Because Unions end up being more or less a pyramid scheme that must sustain itself with fees and because they are influential associations that easily gain political power, often there will be laws and deals aproved that make it mandatory for workers to be a part of a union if they are to be hired at all. Some laws were overruled for obvious reasons but a company can still sign an agreement with a Union accepting that all workers it hires will have to be unionized, for instance.

Basically, the moment a Union starts to gain influence, it will soon force every company to sustain it's bloated corpse.

You'd think that maybe at least it would fight for the worker's rights and that does happen every once in a while. But quite often, they don't really care. It's token moves, PR and making sure they don't step on the toes of important people. It's really no different than any actual company.

So basically, much like Communism and marriage in the 21st century, it looks like a good idea on paper, but in practice you have to apply it to human beings and that's where shit hits the fan.

Unions won't defend programmers and artists that are overworked and underpaid unless they want to harm a specific company because someone else paid them to.

All they'll do is increase the costs of making videogames by lobbying for highers salaries and less work time, no matter how unrealistic their expectations, and the result will be paid fully by the consumer as usual. Either the games get more expensive to buy or their quality suffers massively, so not even piratefags are safe from this.

Note: I actually like the concept of Unions because the last thing the world needs is LESS checks and bounds on what CEOs can do with their workers, but when you're replacing one greedy motherfucker with a greedy AND corrupt motherfucker, that's probably not the way to go.

>>16113981

Unions aren't bad per se, but as long as the state exists they will have incentives to ally themselves to it, make participation compulsory so they don't need to actually provide any kind of service, and become the cancer they are now

>>16112290

>It's not the jews!

>It's not the jews!

>It's not the jews!

>It's not the jews!

>It's not the jews!

>It's not the jews!

>You know who it is? The ___.

Unions aren't inherently bad. It's when kikes and commies subvert them that they turn bad.

Sage for shit OP that doesn't know history.

>>16113988

You would think this would be obvious from the fact that every other industry with unions is as corrupt and broken as anything else, but pattern recognition is a rare thing these days.

>>16114004

>It's when kikes and commies subvert them that they turn bad.

So nearly instantly, since nothing stops them from running their playbook on them right now?

>>16113988

My place of employment has a small union. The only thing they've ever done for us has been to fight for compensation wages for unfair termination, presumably because they also got a cut. Each year we get less and less out of the agreement. I want it out of our lives.

>>16112552

Last I heard, next to none of the actual Tesla employees wish to join UAW, as they were previously in their union when working for another company that fell on hard times during the recession. When it did so, UAW left for greener pastures, leaving the workers to rot. So they have an immense grudge against UAW, for understandable reasons.

Has this changed? If not, if the workers themselves do not want UAW, by what right does UAW have to force themselves in there?

>>16114015

please point to an industry that isn't corrupt. ill wait, saying that unions are THE corruption problem is outright crazy.

this augment is saying corrupt at the top level is ok or "normal" but corruption on the employee level is bad and needs to be stomped out.

>>16114049

That isn't what I said.

>as corrupt and broken as anything else

This is what I said.

>>16113988

About Detroit, it's a bit of a long story but it goes something like this:

Detroit was a town that had a lot of success when the car industry started booming. However, Unions started "protecting" their workers by signing deals with companies that didn't seemed like a bad idea at the moment and were backed by the left-leaning political party that was leading the town, meaning they didn't really had a choice anyway.

Once competition showed up somewhere else and the oil crisis started hitting the market, suddenly having workers that can't work because you don't need them but still have to pay them doesn't sound like a great idea. But the workers didn't mind and neither the unions and neither did the politicians that everyone loved because they promoted and helped that shit.

That is, until the companies closed down because there was literally no more money to pay anyone.

Imagine one day your boss shows up and tells everyone "Don't bother coming tomorrow. I ain't paying, can't even do it even if I wanted. Also, I don't care about the factory and the machines. I don't even own them anymore, so whatever" and then he goes away leaving a perfect communist utopia ready to happen.

It should be noted that there was peak fuckery going on there, with members of the board of directors in a factory also being members of the Union in their own factory (limiting the strikes against it) or of Unions of rival factories (starting strikes to hinder competition). Unions were nothing but a tool for corporate motherfuckers and propaganda machines for politicians and nobody gave a shit because at least they were getting paid.

Until they weren't anymore.

>>16113981

>>16114019

I mean, if we are going full acceleration here, this is fucking great. Unions are carcinogenic and the best way to kill AAA companies is to have them eat themselves from the inside.

It's not a pretty future or a good solution, but it might work…

>>16114032

My country has a Teacher's Union whose leader never saw a class room, that's why I used that example. All they do is setup strikes to demand bigger wages for teachers or to rally against being evaluated on their performances. And then I remember when I was studying with teachers that gave no fucks what they were actually teaching and blamed the students for that. Or when they'd schedule strikes when national exams were supposed to happen so it puts extra pressure on the government. At the expense of the students that they are supposed to care about.

>>16114070

That reminds me, there's some teacher's union in the US that openly admits to being a communist front group. Last I heard anything about them was that time an Arizona politician became a furry.

>>16114056

then what's the point of demeaning they not exist ? companies are corrupt , unions are corrupt , everyone is corrupt .

>>16114070

Detroit = the US makes shit cars, no one wants to buy their shit cars. it's the unions fault that people didn't want to die in a fucking Fiesta.

>>16114109

>then what's the point of demeaning they not exist ?

With everything as fucked as it already is, I don't think there is a point, besides accelerating the decline to the point where no one is comfortable anymore and dreaming up ways to remove the nearest Rabbi becomes the only entertainment outlet.

>>16114131

Not only are the corporations too big to fail, so are the employees.

>>16114156

This is a paid shill known as "Asses & Elbows." Report all posts you see like this. Thanks.

>>16114156

>being this dramatic

Do what it takes to go hunker down in a forest, unless you're just putting on an act which sounds much more likely.

They won't win in the end, but they'll burn everything else down with them as things continue to degenerate and destabilize, due to their actions. They don't really know what they're doing, and never did. They're looking into options as to how to survive the coming turmoil, both man-made and potentially not.

>>16114015

>So nearly instantly

Again, return to the forbidden history to see the answers.

>nothing stops them from running their playbook on them right now?

KYS to keep the kikes from wining!

If you're a hermit in the woods the kikes can't enslave you!

If you don't have kids the kikes can't subvert them!

Why do you think kikes are so quick to subvert labor unions?

Why do you think kikes are quick to subvert anything that organizes white people against them?

Why do you think kikes kvetch over hollyjew bombs? protip: hollyjew labor unions are insane, which costs the studios fortunes to film anything

>>16114249

You're no better than Asses, stop sperging out. My point is unless you have a /pol/ack heading that union, it's fucked. And that is not a thing that will happen, so, it's fucked. Do you have a counterpoint or are you going to throw up more strawmen?

>>16112344

>you're gonna get dubs'd on

Nice

>>16112350

>every problem in the industry is gg stuff

No go fuck yourself with your mission creep you faggot

>>16112362

>power centralization empowers the little guy

They're going to make a couple of mild improvements to the work conditions for code monkeys in AAA industry and a year or two down the line they'll shove ideological purity up everyone's buttholes (And That is a Good Thing).

Think of resolutions like the CVAA but even more pointless and retarded than forcing Quake developers to support chat for blind people who are also retarded.

>>16113913

Are you seriously suggesting that there was a (((previous reich))) that wasn't a warmongering, greedy death cult?

>check time

>oh it's burger o'clock, of course

ITT: People who don't know what the IGDA is.

>>16114534

>autistic lunatic jew actually thinks anyone here believes his holocaust lies

>>16114780

Would you look at that, an actual roastie.

>>16114513

yeah im pretty sure that's basically what will happen

>>16112586

EA likes to deflect failures so they can blame someone else but themselves in front of their shareholders.

and even if you're right at a point they'll simply trim the fat like activision just did because they have to or they go under, first order of business is closing studios in the US and have codemonkeys in europe and asia do it (they already do a good chunk of it), and they won't give a fuck about any sjw-union.

>>16114513

>little guy has any power over the big guy without unionizing

Scaring people with SJW just so they wouldnt union. Those small changes are enough, then you get another small changes, and another, and then you get the big change.

>>16114831

It hurt itself in confusion!

>>16113689

It's a bit hipsterish and the hosts are likely faggots but it does a good job of explaining how different things are now compared to then. The complete lack of "the hunt" we have today demeans the things we get. We just mass buy shit on steam or through online retailers or piracy and none of it has any value or meaning. It's not like you even selected what you bought, it was just handed to you through a media network where you sit at the end asshole spread for a media enema. I once rented Monkeybone, it fucking sucked but at least I took a gamble and got exposed to something other than Titanic or CoD latest release

>>16113814

>consumers are gods

Imagine being this much of a fag. Consumders are the last place in the human centipede. You can consume exactly what the man up front shits into the middle man's mouth and offers you. No more and no less.

>>16113988

>Communism is a good idea on paper

Yea MAN. I think communism is a GREAT idea. Who wouldn't want to live in a leaderless society where everyone has equal say MAN? I want Chris-chan to have an equal say to me. That's how we improve our society.

It's never a good idea because it's fucking stupid. It's a childish idea that doesn't belong in the real world. The real world has leaders, leaders who can be good or bad, but it has leaders and always will.

>>16114131

It's already extremely difficult to get rid of teachers without unions. After a set amount of time they become straight up immune to being fired except under extreme circumstances like kiddy fiddling.

That's how commies have so much control. They lay low until they're immune to being fired then go full commie and fuck up everything. Any one sane leaves and then they draft more commies. This is also how niggers originally got hired, they used terrorism to get black people hired to universities and colleges, had meme subjects set up to cover their positions and then pushed more and more people out.

>>16112405

Looks like a pretty big, fat, ugly torpedo on the industry and its workers.

>>16115257

>sold millions of books

>journalist

>one of the most known person in the world

Total failure indeed.

Its pointless to argue with you, spoiled brats dreaming about being rich.

>>16115328

I'm alive. He's dead.

I win faggot.

Let unions come, let the game industry die as it should. There is no reason to be upset that games are coming to an end, its the best case scenario

These comment sections might be useful.

>Nearly Half of Game Developers Want to Unionize

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18991086

>Activision-Blizzard layoffs after reporting record results

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19148983

>BuzzFeed Journalists Vote to Unionize in Wake of Layoffs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19149452

>>16115495

fuck off and die chink

>>16115489

East asians are conservative so no wonder they'd want to shit on them.

>>16115401

>all the lies and insults

This is your brain… oh wait, there is none.

>>16115533

No immigrant is conservative. Conservatives wouldn't want a bunch of immigrants moving in. They're all in it for the gibs me dats and "a better life". Same way all spics are "conservative" in mexico and open borders in the US.

>>16113488

Every company I've worked for in my "fuck you" state finds horseshit reasons to fire people when they start talking about unionizing to prevent abuses. What decent company posts record profits, and follows with pay cuts and removal of ALL bonuses? Unions have never done anything for me, personally, but I'd rather deal with bullshit from something that has a carotid artery than bullshit from nine states away in a secured tower.

>>16115612

>The people most shafted by the fetishism of the non-natives is one of the non-native population.

Man and here was me thinking it was white countries being destroyed by ASIANS, ARABs and NIGGERS moving into WHITE countries. Now I see the mistake I've been making The gook cries out as he strikes you

Union only applies in the US and maybe Europe, and probably doesn't apply to independents. All this really means is that western games fail harder and faster, and outsourcing to commifornia (where the union will no doubt be strongest) looks like a worse idea especially to nip devs. We should support unionizing, as it's something that could actually have the potential to bring about a real crash, especially for big western game companies.

I swear the /pol/ crossposting will be the death of this board.

>>16116542

>the /pol/ crossposting will be the death of this board.

not really

>>16116569

>>16116542

trannypol is raiding us again?

>>16116655

Sounds like it. I hear they have a real live pig as a board owner.

>>16113988

This post sums up my opinions about unions. They are businesses just like every political activist group in the USA. It's about making money while maintaining control of other institutions. Have you noticed why we only have two political parties now? We have third parties but they never get the support from unions. Simply follow the money and you can see who's calling the shots.

>>16113988

>>16114070

I thought teacher's unions were run by admin scrubs who, while working at schools, never actually do any teaching or even see the students.

Unions are still shit though, shit's basically cartel-tier.

This is bioleninism, not capitalism. Stop thinking about it in relation to economics and business.

>>16112898

I've both art autism and code autism, but problem is I kept fucking around when it came to actually refining it in computer science class because the scotsman next to me kept teaching me martial arts instead.

>>16112339

It wouldn't be so fucking bad if he actually wrote in proper fucking English.

>>16113988

>>16114070

Unions were needed in the Gilded Age over a hundred years ago, but since then workers are hardly "oppressed" and such organizations are completely useless.

>>16118141

every voice actor in that union is a piece of shit and I hope they never get another day's work

>>16118141

>game makers becoming even more entitled is a good thing

>>>/reddit/

>>16118141

>when they were protesting it was a big story on /v/.

It was big because it meant all the overused VAs with shit voice-acting skills were out doing nothing, while actually new talent had the potential to get a fucking job so we hopefully didn't have to hear the same 5 fuckers in every god damn game.

>>16118175

how dare they demand professional stunt coordinators to be on set when they are being thrown through walls for mocap.

pieces of shit

ITT: armchair economics

>>16118141

I feel like the only winners in the voice actors union strike were the kikes. We were probably better off if the medium regressed to text only and subtitled anime cut scenes. The majority of it was trash before the strike and now its entitled trash with an even bloated budget

>>16118217

>needs 20 more people standing around watching a guy with ping pong balls and a tron suit get thrown into a ballpit.

ok anon

.

>>16118217

>Voice Actor

>doing the mocap

>>16118175

>>16118245

>>16118196

>>16118200

>being this mad about someone else's working conditions

>>16118245

the request was for A stunt coordinator for mocap with stunt work. that's standard practice in film.

>>16118360

most AAA games voice actors do mocap where have you been the last 10 years?

>inb4ing your own post

Bad way to start, you fucking retard.

>>16112536

>in the best case scenario it becomes another Hollywood

>another Hollywood

>best case scenario

fuck you

There's nothing wrong with the concept of unions

There's everything wrong with the way soy-filled game dev SJWs will handle unions, they're soft-handed faggots that don't know how business works

Their union may end up pushing for worthwhile causes like trimming down their ridiculous work weeks, but what's more likely is they'll waste all their time filing board charges over management misspelling some tranny's pronoun in an email

The dumbfucks don't even realize that unions are powerless in the face of layoffs, all they can do is make it so the workers with the least tenure are the first to go when the pink slips start flowing, and even then, most companies just pay off older workers to get them out the door anyway

Either way this thread seems like (((Rick Berman))) shilling so sage

>>16118983

Shill thread

Sage and report and check em

Jesus this thread is so long that only now I managed to reach the end. There's suddenly an influx of people reassuring us that unions can only harm a few companies but no one else.

These people can go fuck themselves, because the greatest power an u.ion have to fuck over literally everybody is to lobby on behalf of retarded regulation and lend the false impression that there's a consensus on the matter.

"Of course we should prohibit sexy women in videogames, it's what the devs themselves want for their own safety. So no game with tits can be sold anymore on this state and any online store is required to pull those games from their offers if they wish to do business here."

"Of course every company, even single-person startups is now required to hire at least one black tranny, it's only fair."

>>16112359

So you just made a thread and expect everyone else to do the work?

OP IS A KIKE WHO SUCKS ALL COCKS

UNIONS STAY STRONG VS KIKERY!

>>16112355

Nice dubs, but it's probably not just shills. OP is a fucking triplenigger. Terrible formatting, direct linking jewtube, twatter, and gameworkersunite. And I personally feel his choice of language is funny, out of place. It's almost like he's trying to sabotage the idea of going against unions that he's promoting by doing so terribly.

>>16112375

>It doesn't work in an industry over supplied with talent constantly

But isn't the English VA work heavily incestuous, not often allowing in new talent, but instead usually pulling from the same small pool of mostly cliquefags?

>>16115580

>Well uh…. You're STUPID!

Next time try refuting the argument instead of reverting to the arguments of a 4 year old.

>>16112608

Interesting take. I would have expected the SJWs to 100% run the unions and force out everyone who wasn't one of them, thereby taking their cancer to the next level forcing all major devs to use nothing but unionized SJW filth. Which will of course kill all the major devs within a couple years because there won't be a single person who can actually code, and the incompetents they do get will be making an especially half-assed attempt.

>All these NPC tier arguments for pro-union.

>"It's good for everyone goy! You're just an ad hominem."

Man I know reddit recently got bought out by Tencent but holy balls! Make better arguments.

Unions are ok, unless they are politicised (read: leftist), in which case it gets nowhere, and people start dropping from them.

France used to have massive unions until leftism spread in them.

now less than 6% of people are unionized, down from 41%

noone hates more leftists than workers, because lefties allways shill for immigrants and other sorts of parasites.

>>16113373

HookTube doesn't block jewtube trackers anymore, keep up "man of culture" we use Invidio.us now. Functions exactly the same as creating HookTube links.

>>16115328

Marx's name brand recognition pales in comparison to Hitler, who was actually successful before the war ruined him and his people. Hitler has name recognition that is on par with Jesus, largely thanks to the villification of people like you in fact. Just using your mental midget logic, I've already have got you BTFO. Furthermore I have no delusions or dreams of having a great deal of capital, everything I dream about involves improving myself and other's standing, freeing them from mental and physical poison.

People like us aren't Capitalists you faggot, we have greater ambitions than self-center accumulation of wealth.

>>16115501

He's telling the truth you obnoxious retard. East Asians have to score higher than everyone else or they're fucked. This only doesn't apply to Chinks in South Africa who were reclassified as honorary blacks by the treacherous government under CCP pressure while Whites are still shafted. THIS ONLY APPLIES TO CHINESE IN SAFFA, in America Whites and all East Asians are fucked by these standards.

>>16115699

Man and here I was thinking he was talking about Affirmative action and test scores, you god damn mental midgets.

>>16118141

No they didn't, and Union shittery is why Allyson Court couldn't voice Claire in Rev 2 or REimagined 2. She gave up a consistent position as a VA, and everyone gets mad at Capcom for it. To be fair Capcom deserves every bit of shit they get, especially for not getting voice actors who sound like their iconic characters.

op is an EA spy

Read Men among Ruins if you want a good case against commies, lefties and capitalism. Turns out its all the same shit in the end.

>>16122385

>Hitler, who was actually successful before the war

>Failed Art Student who couldn't even get into an Art School

>Too much of an embarrassed failure to even tell his mother

>Even his roommate thought he could manage to get into art school

>Spent the rest of his life before as a lay about ranting in an obscure party until he got lucky and the same thing he kept saying about the Economy fucking up eventually happened.

>And he was still too much of a fuck up too manage a coup with his people just letting the captured officials go because "they pinky promised to give us the power"

Wow stunning and inspiring success

>>16122893

>before the reich*

>>16122893

>oy vey

You show you know nothing yid

>>16121081

As bad as unions are, if there's one industry that needs it. Programmers especially in videogames can end up working 80-100 hour weeks and not even get fucking paid for it. Big companies like to exploit "crunch time" like that by making it more or less the standard time. I still think unions are bad, best-case scenario they kill some of the major western companies, but the workers here really are being abused heavily.

>>16122922

>parsing a failed socialist who like any good socialist was a useless lay about only good for autisticly screeching that he couldn't get gibs just because he killed some of (((Them)))

He was a personally and as leader or is this the alternate telling of WW2 where he won?

>>16122944

a failure*

>>16122434

Guy was a LARPer and it's no wonder nu/pol/ has a hard on for him.

>>16122893

>degenerate (((art school))) that let smut artists get in for far worse art rejecting someone is a sign of their lack of talent

>ignorant faggot doesn't know his mother died before he went to Vienna

>served as a soldier for the German army and earned numerous medals for bravery

>known fanatic who would take dangerous frontline jobs and punched a defeatist NCO in the face without repercussions

>was gassed by the British and still regained his optimism despite possible blindness

>putsch fails under military pressure and Hitler is shot while locking arms with his men at the very front of the march

>is such a badass with words and gained so much popularity for for the failed coup he rounds on his accusers and gets a soft sentence

"IF I AM GUILTY OF ANYTHING, IT'S STANDING UP FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE."

>decides to peacefully win power through the vote and wins overwhelmingly

>turns Germany from despotic democratic shithole run by jews back into powerhouse in just three years

>deregulates private firearms sales in 1938

>fights whole fucking world with only a handful of allies and nearly wins

>>this is somehow failure

You are a disingenuous, ignorant sack of shit. "eventually happened" what? The economy was absolute shite under the

Wiemar government, he was right from day one. From homeless painter to leader of one of the last free countries in Europe, where is your success story?

>>16122944

>useless lay about

>read constantly and had to work odd jobs for three years as a homeless man to feed himself

>willing to pick up a shovel and assist German workers even in a position of power

Shoo shoo globalist jew!

>>>/v/16122959

t. /leftypol/

>>16122989

>nearly wins

>>>this is somehow failure

Yes. Horse shoes and hand grenades.

>>16123243

>ignoring previous post about prior to the war

>isn't impressed by what is essentially one competent force that has to babysit it's allies fighting off 56 countries when it actually came down to it

Binary thinking kike lovers fuck off.

>>16123316

>>ignoring previous post about prior to the war

>wants to talk about success prior to the war

>throws in almost winning the war as a positive

At least stay on track here.

>>16123360

I'm autistic and often feel the need to post immediately. I try to keep it in check when I notice it. Notice the last post has three replies in it.

>>16122989

>>known fanatic

his WW1 record was mainly between bootlickers who wanted to get in good with him during the third Reich and those who wanted to vilify him after it.

with consensus being that he was no more special than anyone else that served in the meat grinder and survived with a number of the medals he received being given to a large amount of his brothers in arms.

>>16122989

>>16123407

Also I double checked she was still alive when he got rejected but died not long after

>>16122434

I bet you're one of those faggots who screams "horseshoe theory" when anyone levels the same accusation at fascists and communists for both being hopeless statists.

If I'm mistaken and you're a dyed in the wool monarchist still holding out, my bad, but anything shy of that you can choke on a rock.

>>16124125

hahaha my post fucking triggered your union supporting ass-blasted ass hahahah

>staying laid off for underperforming

GOOD! IF YOU CANT DO YOUR JOB, GTFO AND STAY OUT! HAHAHAHA

>>16122989

>>read constantly and had to work odd jobs for three years as a homeless man to feed himself

After he ran out of mommies inheritance money also it's funny you bring up his reading when trying to defend his work ethic since that was was his failing at his first job.

Like a good socialist lay about he sat on his ass reading when he was supposed to work

He even tried to dodge the draft and only manged to get out of the fine because he was considered to weak and pathetic to handle a gun

But I will give him this he did join of his own volition later on

>>16124347

>Muh consensus

His regiment commander sucked his dick after the war like you do now (he supported Hitler politically) but the agatant of his regiment called him an average soldier and someone in his regiment said "if people say he was cowardly that's not accurate he wasn't brave either he lacked the coolness for that"

>Hitler earned:

>Iron Cross, Second Class - 12 February 1915

Which millions of others in the army at the time also earned

>Iron Cross, First Class - 4 August 1918

Which a hundred thousand others at the time earned

>It wasn't a common thing

Literal Millions got the second class of it

Runners where still far safer than those on the front-lines

>>16124347

Also I just noticed

You smuggled in

>Regimental Diploma (Regiment "List") - 5 May 1918

On the list of medals he's earned when it's literally just proof he was in a position and not an award for any exceptional service in it. Do you really need to grasp that hard to jerk off a socialist failure?

>>16124403

>millions of others

>hundreds of thousands

>During World War I, approximately 218,000 EKIs, 5,196,000 EKIIs and 13,000 non-combatant EKIIs were awarded.

>>16112925

Would most of normalfags who even buy FIFA/Madden even have loyalty to EA and not just the sport video game itself? If another publisher got the license (and name) they would just buy from them right?

>>16124403

>>16124457

>>16124534

>A Yid tells lies

And the sky is blue.

>>16124653

>they would just buy from them right?

There was a time where sports games had competition I believe football still has pro evolution soccer but FIFA still outstrips it as for Burger Ball EA made sure to negotiate exclusive rights to that.

But as discussed even the normalfags who've been swallowing it deep year after year are finally getting sick of it and noticing the redundancies to the point that it's selling less and less each time

>>16118141

>they protested to get better working conditions and …. THEY GOT IT

to be replaced by random shitters from the street or voice in games removed completely because costs.

so much win!

>>16124699

it's a shitty 4um meme

>>16124846

whatever you say faggot hahaha

>>16113917

I think he's just too innocent to know dumb his shirt is.

>>16126663

>above it often.

A runner was only used when all other forms of communication broke down on the battlefield otherwise they were relatively safe with the commanders whose orders they're supposed to carry should communication lines breakdown.

> the orginal concept of socialism

Enlighten me on the form of socialism that isn't just gibs from a dropout art school reject whose only job before the war he tried to dodge was painting for mail stamps, a job that he still slacked of in

>>16126663

there's nothing wrong with jews honestly, have you ever talked to one?

>>16126785

>, unemployment under the NSDAP was zero,

>you had to get permission from the NSDAP before you could fire someone

>NSDAP had to all but ban automation

>NSDAP had to cripple it's efficiency to give contracts to companies that used manual labor instead of automation

you had to work or go to a concentration camp.

Yes it was like the USSR work or Gulag.

>Crippling Industry so the Low IQ Germans can get paid

>Not Gibs

You crack me up I guess we should ban all automation and do things the slow more costly way so every comrade can earn his place!

>>>/v/16126947

>jew lies yet again

Imagine my shock! A country with 40 hours of work a week with great pay and benefits, rent that could be paid with just an 8th of a monthly salary, and increasingly cheap cars and radios was clearly a Soviet Gulag. That's clearly why people were so happy and productive in German. Just give it up Shlomo you got caught lying one to many times. The Germans had the exact same kind of production technology most civilized countries did back then, and used it without hurting employment. They idolized industrialists like Henry Ford in Germany, aka a man who pushed automation in production very heavily while also benefiting the workers under him and the consumers who bought his product. All while naming the jew.

>raising production to new heights impossible under the Wiemar republic is gimping the economy

You just can't make this shit up, this is how full of shit the jew is. Video related is the actual economic polices of the 3rd Reich. For more information, consult Gottfried Feder and fuck off.

There's quite a bit of anti-union shilling in this thread. I'm a proud member of the IBEW and work as an inside wire-man electrician.

The benefits my union hall offers me are extensive: pension, annuity, healthcare, and training are all free – they are paid for by my hall's funds using tax-free contributions from my employer. I also make alot ($70k in a low cost of living area), and my dues are just $144.90 quarterly. My union hall has over 80% of the electrical work in my area, so if I'm not working it's only because I *choose* to. And if I get laid off or just quit, I don't have to solicit myself to find a new job – my union hall hooks me up with a new contractor. I can also travel and work in other union halls in the country. If you're willing to travel and work overtime, you can easily make over $200,000 a year.

The employers that are signatory with us also benefit from the union hall: they have a virtually bottomless pool of skilled, qualified labor to tap and time. Every journeyman taken from the hall is guaranteed to have all the necessary training, skills, and certifications to do the job. This is why many of our newer contractors signed with us: staffing companies like Adecco were giving them lemons. They also don't have to hold onto employees when a job ends, or have to worry about selecting and maintaining a health insurance plan and other beneifts – that's the hall's business.

Local companies like Purina and Cummins also take electricians from our hall and hire them as maintenance electricians. The contract is standardized so it's an easy process for them.

Oh, and if a job is on the horizon that will require specialized skills (lift certification, high voltage splicing, PLCs, etc.) they can ask the hall to bring in accredited trainers and do a class for the entire membership.

Bottom line: my union is LOCAL. It deals with local members, local contractors, and anyone with a hand in local work. The federal aspect of the IBEW is what keeps it strong despite the follies of the international part of it.

I see many similarities between my work and the work that IT professionals do, especially programmers – projects are bid, start, end, and the industry is changing constantly. And it seems like finding good talent is a challenge. It's an industry that can benefit from unions.

That's my 2 shekels, goys.

>>16127103

If the German economy was doing amazingly well as you so claimed, then why did Hitler order the Wehrmacht to "appropriate" all the Gold and money in Austria, Czechoslovakia and all the other nations they occupied? And not to mention the fact that Romania eventually abandoned Germany the moment they realized that all the oil they "sold" to them was never going to be paid back?

>>16112290

Fire in the hole!

[https://archive.ph/bx0iL] http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/336812/US_labor_organization_urges_game_developers_to_unionize_in_open_letter.php

>US labor organization AFL-CIO urges game developers to unionize in open letter

>“This is a moment for change. It won't come from CEOs. It won't come from corporate boards. And, it won't come from any one person, says the AFL-CIO"

[https://archive.ph/GnamH] https://kotaku.com/an-open-letter-to-game-developers-from-americas-largest-1832652654

>An Open Letter To Game Developers From America's Largest Labor Organization

>Editors note: Given ongoing issues in the games industry, the AFL-CIO recently reached out to Kotaku about addressing the people who make games. The AFL-CIO represents more than 12 million workers in the United States across more than 50 labor unions (including the Writers Guild of America, of which Kotaku and its sister sites’ staffs are members). This letter from secretary-treasurer Liz Shuler is the group’s first major public statement about organizing game developers.

Will repost in the GG thread.

>>16127520

>is now becoming a mixed hellhole

>is now becoming

Fuck you mean "becoming" one? We've been one for years.

>I wish for the destruction of the (((constitution)))

You act like it was ever respected by the kikes we call leaders to begin with. Had we actually held on to it, we might not be in this mess.

Big publishers aren't going to want unionized developers. And journalists will push for it. It's just going to cause big publishers to give less money and attention to journalists.

Bad news is that if Rami is in on this, unionizing is definitely a ploy for SJWs to gain control over video game development. I think what's happening is that they realize they are about to be kicked out from their positions (or already have been) because they've had control of some powerful positions for several years and they've not been doing well. SJWs taking control of a union would allow them to be gate keepers, and their SJW butt buddies in the media will gladly give them one sided coverage that attacks their opponents. With all these layoffs and things going belly up, the suits are going to start axing SJWs from their company. It's a cancer, it's impossible to purge, but SJWs are going to be losing their influence in gaming soon. They see this. Notice how we get all these lay offs and problems, people notice it's a lot of SJW positions that are getting axed, and then a few days later we see SJWs pushing for unionizing game development? Wouldn't be surprised if this was all just bullshit so they could try and get their shitty SJW idea"people" to get paid the same as actual developers.

>>16126663

0 fucks given shitlord, thanks for the compliment. and yes, sharknado was shit. im so sure of this i haven’t even watched it. a job is a job. ive worked on worse shit than this; shit so bad its never even gotten released. the pic of me is in a space shuttle thjng we built. that was actually pretty fun to build because we got to strip down a MIG cockpit for the parts. all those switches and panels came out of a fighter jet.

>>16113988

>>16114070

Since we are arriving at the impasse of a Post-Publisher industry, it would only make sense for a unregulated vidya market to emerge in a similar fashion that Flash vidya came to be. Whether they use devs-for-hire, risk incentive concepts, or donation-based projects is still to be determined, but what we know is on the way out is the dried-up AAA market who couldn't with the median-vidya market, and a re-emerging of developer tools, and systems to sustain any in-house passion projects, and a dying out of exploiting under-mining FAGGOTS like

>d97996

who will work tirelessly to ignore any evidence, sources, and their own core values to inhibit individual leadership, and initiatives, and return his "red-pilled" followers back into the fold of his previous abusive AAA practitioners.

>>16112290

>gamedev unions

Will NEVER happen lmao

Publishers don't need specific studios and they don't strictly NEED western gamedevs. They want them but if push came to shove if there was a big push to unionize they'd just exclusively farm out to a third world country where no such things exist. Like they already do now for shit like assets.

The only reason a "game developer union" would come about is for P/R purposes but it would ultimately be just for show and wouldn't have any real power because game developers are fully aware their jobs are disposable. The only way this could change is if there were law changes like the US passed a law stating if your employees aren't fully unionized you get an X amount of tax increase or something.

>>16127875

Oh gee I don't you fucking poseur, perhaps all the public, cross-referenced records of stolen wealth from the government archives? Or the fact that the Germans themselves claimed that the money they took from Austria's government banks was war booty? And you forgot to say anything about Czechoslovakia. Conceding that I had a point there you LARPing moron? Does it hurt?

And only in your dreams did you think Romania continued to fight until they got "occupied", it wasn't an occupation but an internal coup from major unrest against Antonescu, how the country was being bombed by the USAF day in, day out and of the fact that it was becoming increasingly obvious that the Germans would leave Romania to the Soviets as they pulled back. Any wonder why they eventually decided to just join the winning side and immediately afterwards, attack German forces alongside the Soviets without any real prompting?

Also, if they didn't use gold, why would they need all that money in the first place? Why did they take so much wealth it if the "labor" based Reichmarks were as powerful as you claimed? Why would they make so many financial exchanges with the Swiss and needed loans to buy and trade commodities with the nations that you poltards claim were preparing to destroy them in the name of the Jew? Why did the banks and gold stores of all the nations they occupied during the World War "suspiciously" lost a fair amount of their contents? Did the Allies steal them? Did the Jews somehow make them disappear?

The buildup to the Second World War needed to have been fueled by a lot of things other than what was in Germany's borders. And you poseurs, historical revisionists no better than the activists in academia have the brazenness to claim that it was all Germany and that if they were sooooo economically strong and had good trade relations with Romania, Hungary, Croatia and the fucking USSR of all places… Then why the hell did they take all the riches everywhere they went?

>cuck yourself to your boss and the collapsing vidya industry because trannies!?!?

And white people fall for it every time.

>>16127875

>What are the odds that like minded individuals like us can insert ourselves into such movements and prevent further communist subversion?

Very low, because they will expel anyone who isn't an SJW for violating the laws of social justice.

>This shit has the chance to become more\less shit!

no1currs

>>16113891

The industry is cucked. And it's cucked because it isn't unionized. There are countless stories of developers not being able to implement certain features or cool new ideas because they either aren't paid or because the marketing says it isn't "profitable" and pushes for shitty microtransactions instead.

The anti-union guys in this thread are fucking retarded.

>>16130169

>not being able to implement certain features or cool new ideas

Oh yes unionization will destroy the concept of time and schedule so all games can be exactly like the devs envision them no matter how long that takes.

Like Star Citizen

>and pushes for shitty microtransactions instead.

and unionization will fix this because I say it will! never mind that a unions stated purpose to protect the rights of the worker it will expand that to "making the bad stuff go away" I know because I have been personally paid 33 shekels to tell you!

And of course a fucking (1)er I'll give you this though it MIGHT end crunch

>>16130021

You misunderstand, we can also expel these people if we form counter groups.

>>16130169

Unions won't fix any of that. I think you may be the one who is retarded.

>>16130169

i bet you’re the type of lemming that thinks min wage laws came about because of labor unions hahaha i wish i was there to put jimmy hoffa in which ever hole he got put in

>>16112608

People lose things, loose women get stds

>>16132518

Unions wont do anything but they are very bad umkay

>>16132670

baseless character assassination of anons comment. its funny because you know it too; thats why you saged your comment, because you were scared to be called out for being wrong lol

I had to sleep on this. Since the union announcement has the usual anti-racism poz unionizing developers would be a power play for politicians to censor video games outside the law. The ESA is a private agency. What would happen if a pozzed union funded by the Clinton foundation takes over the majority of their board of directors? Then what policies outside the law will they require video games to follow to not get an AO rating?

>>16127542

>AFL-CIO

LOL

How to torpedo your organizing in one easy step

Yet another reminder that the union regarding voice actors requires that any companies who use the union are not allowed to use voice actors outside of the union without breaching the contract. "Working conditions" is a front people put up so they can act morally superior by claiming that you opposing their union means that you want people to work in a sweat shop for nothing but 6 oyster crackers an hour. Unionizing actual important staff in the same way will do nothing but ensure the same setup where shitty people are forced to be employed by companies who aren't allowed to hire any new or valuable talent. Companies will no longer have any talent, and instead inbreed Unity developers.

It'll never happen though, because there are 300,000 pajeets ready to take their jobs. Software and artwork doesn't require being born with a good face or voice. Good effort though.

>>16133244

That's called a "closed shop," double nigger, every contract either has that provision or is legally mandated by whatever state it's in not to

It's not to provide job security for shit talent, it's to keep the company from loading up the workforce with scabs and permatemps to drain the union's resources

I'm convinced 80% of you just spout random shit from Unionfacts or some other shill campaign rather than have actually dealt with this shit yourself

>>16133874

>unironically defending forceful use of workers within any one union which may or may not include shit workers

>another (1) saging the thread

Bump.

>>16133973

>forceful use of workers

The company still does all the hiring themselves, all unions do is represent them once they get hired on

Besides, shit workers get fired all the time, if you do something stupid or inhibit production to the point where you can't be moved to where you're less of a problem you're shown the door

You make these companies sound like rape victims

>>16134042

>You make these companies sound like rape victims

They're all equally shit you liberal faggot.

>>16134067

Then what's your solution? Tendies and disability?

>>16134150

>better organizations

Good plan, I can tell you thought this through

> The guy was clearly making fun of Gommunists.

He was calling anyone pro-union a communist, which is bullshit

Most of the rank and file lean right, it's the leadership that leans left, and even that's mainly due to the left putting more favorable board members on the NLRB more than anything

>most of the rank and file are right wing

(citation needed)

>I can tell you thought this through

My reply was towards someone else I assumed was of a similar line of thought to me so of course this confuses you. Instead of samefagging with different ID, ACTUALLY READ THE THREAD and digest it's information before posting. Then maybe you won't be instantly filtered every time you post.

>>16134241

>Most of the rank and file lean right, it's the leadership that leans left, and even that's mainly due to the left putting more favorable board members on the NLRB more than anything

>people who support communist leaders aren't communist

Friendly reminder: Some states in the US require people to pay into union whether they are in it or not.

>>16132514

>Hitler invested in infrestructure projects and gave subsidies and tax cuts to certain (conveniently doesnt specify) industries

>no numbers

>a bankroupt state suddenly started to incentivate the domestic economy whit money that they didnt had

You can only make of that that htey went full populists, that model is nowhere near sustainable in the long term, the shitty article doesnt even tell how they privaticed many state companies to improve the state treasure from the debts inherited by the Weimar republic, do you think that comodity prices became lower out of magic?, no, it was thanks to the subsides (same stuff happens whit populist left wing lationamerican countries).

>>16134425

All I saw was typical GTKRWN smoke jews erryday 1488 blaze it shit you see on 8/pol/

You didn't actually explain what you were going to replace it with other than a NatSoc takeover, which has zero chance of happening in reality

>>16134428

>people who support communist leaders aren't communist

They don't support communism though

>Some states in the US require people to pay into union whether they are in it or not.

Sounds like bullshit, post proof

>>16134571

>blaze it

Please keep the projection to a minimum degenerate. Also you didn't see shit because you have the attention span of the toddler. Unions should be replaced with new organizations that handle employment and increasing the psychological well being of the individual.

>a NatSoc takeover, which has zero chance of happening in reality

Absolutely delusional, either that happens or America dies. I doubt we'll just go quietly into the night as well. European spring isn't too far away and America is not immune to the destabilizing effects, especially since our cock gobbling Zionist Cheeto of a President isn't following through on his promises.

>muh proofs

Literally just look it up you lazy sack of shit.

https://www.nrtw.org/required-join-pay-private/

http://archive.is/L8rql

>"You may not be required to be a union member. But, if you do not work in a Right to Work state, you may be required to pay union fees.

>>16134625

>Unions should be replaced with new organizations that handle employment and increasing the psychological well being of the individual.

Again, that's a very, very broad idea. How do you go about doing that? What exactly would they stand for? From what you're saying you want basically a blend between temp agency and support group. Elaborate.

>Absolutely delusional, either that happens or America dies. I doubt we'll just go quietly into the night as well.

If you think you can convince America of that and snap them out of the HITLER BAD NAZIS BAD that's basically woven into our culture, then good luck. I'm just not seeing it, especially not after Charlottesville.

>https://www.nrtw.org/required-join-pay-private/

>If you are not a member, you are still fully covered by the collective bargaining agreement that was negotiated between your employer and the union, and the union is obligated to represent you. Any benefits that are provided to you by your employer pursuant to the collective bargaining agreement (e.g., wages, seniority, vacations, pensions, health insurance)are not affected by your nonmembership. (If the union offers some "members-only" benefits, you might be excluded from receiving those.) If you are not a member, you may not be able to participate in union elections or meetings, vote in collective bargaining ratification elections, or participate in other "internal" union activities. However, you cannot be disciplined by the union for anything you do while not a member.

All it impacts is whether or not you can vote in their elections and whether or not they can discipline you, you still get all the perks for being in one, so it's only fair for you to pay in.

>>16134150

>better organizations

Would those be legally approved guilds.

>>16134042

I'm in a union, (a proper one where we do manual labor with bare hands, none of that writers or teachers union shit) and I'll be the first to tell you we have some employees that should have been fired years ago but are protected by the union. The kind of people that deliberately avoid doing work as much as possible, and when caught there is an attempt to fire them but the union always keeps them around.

>>16134689

>Again, that's a very, very broad idea. How do you go about doing that? What exactly would they stand for? From what you're saying you want basically a blend between temp agency and support group. Elaborate.

>>16127103 Like I said you don't pay attention, this video clearly defines a great deal of economic ideas I'd like to borrow from. Not completely copy since America is a different place and culture even just among Whites obviously.

Timestamps: 11:50 (RAD Reich's Labour Service and idea of how to eliminate class strife between employer and employee.)

29:08-30:50 (Nullification of Unions and it's Alternative prior to power takeover and afterwards.) The FAD is the kind of organizations we should be forming for Americans to compete with and draw attention away from unions.

>a bunch of defeatist rhetoric about alt kike controlled opposition that ignores the increasingly declining situation and verge of massive unrest

>it's only fair you have to pay for something you never wanted to be apart of

>implying that most unions in states that are shitty enough not to have 'Right to Work' laws are worth a damn

You are clearly a retard who is not here to argue in good faith, maybe you can hop IDs like the other shills in this thread. In fact viewing this thread I've come to the conclusion that not only are modern unions shit, but they will not make gaming better whatsoever. In fact that can make it worse unless likeminded patriots with the workers interests in minds were to control them and that's only if they could be created and controlled or subverted.

>>16134957

I was thinking about the RAD actually but something like that could definitely work in America if we had a system that looked after the people's best interests. They could be specialized towards different fields and represented ONLY by people who are experts in said fields.

>>16135205

Would you be required to join a RAD (after passing an aptitude test) to be qualified to work in the industry or even to start a business in that industry? I want to self publish video games but I live in a rural area and I cannot afford college classes online or offline that would qualify me for a computer science degree.

>>16135579

Voluntarily I will take manual labor. Hell, I will take militia boot camp with a strict ketogenic diet and schedule until I physically break then euthanized or I become healthy enough to work as a citizen. There's too many kids raised on disability for testing brain drugs that didn't ask for it I was in a widow mother situation and they need the opportunity to get healthy as they can physically and mentally without the system regulating them to legal drug testers.

That said I'm worried if the organizations will be like guilds where you will be restricted to the tools and ideologies of the guild you work for rather than have the opportunity to compete from nothing. To me I always see video games as toys. Fuck the blob for ruining the argument on games as toys. To me games are toy software with rules on how to play governed by the logic of the simulation itself. A game cannot nor should not predict what the user will do with outside the context of the simulation. As toys and game pieces themselves cannot predict how they are used for they are not living thinking beings (yet). The example is a baseball bat was never made to be a weapon, but it was used by the mob to break legs. It is illegal in my town to open carry a baseball bat. It has to be in a bag because of the mafia wars in the 30s. It's not the bat's fault, but the people that used it. My town would ban sales of games without ID if they could because they are Pokémon hating boomers. So far no link to violence has been found.

I also worry about the organizations influence on the creation of new products and scientific discoveries as a guild would have based on law and ideology. Drug testing in the USA is the worst because drugs like Addyi, aka g

feminist Viagra, was rushed to market before swiftly banned. Meanwhile there was an anon on another board before the imkamphy chimp out that was working on a revolutionary treatment for cancer tumors that got rejected for funding.

I do worry for creative media as well because a lot of lesser known sci-fi writers are hobbyists rather than professionals. They rather not deal with Sad Puppies and get black listed from major publications. Hell many of them post to personal websites for free and rely on ad revenue for hosting in the 90s before the dot com bubble burst. If the organization helps with R&D and development of arts, then will it indoctrinate and censor.

Also what's stopping the fink rat from heading the organization by posing as one of us and corrupting it from the inside out?

>>16135579

Also if you can I'll take both scenarios with the 4th Reich Empire of Terra and current year USA. Forgot to mention this.

Here's a thought. What if all the SJWs from ResetEra move into the union and make their game industry collusion exclusive to private services exclusive to union members like union member online forums where you use your union ID number to enter?

>>16112552

>meanwhile outsourcing it would go over poorly because all those unemployed workers would complain to their (((legislators))) and demand that outsourcing be outlawed.

you mean the lefties would want pajeet to go back to india?

https://ddratings.info/

>>16127262

but is this a union that has to do with influencing other people's opinions?

>>16139531

can have to do with*

>>16113373

>I don't think we're going to get to experience that sort of rebirth because the Internet is already so ubiquitous - I doubt it's going to ever be replaced by a new network, and if it is, the new net won't get a chance to be the same "wild-west" style network that we had with BBSes or the early Internet.

At least we witnessed it. The new generations won't even have that.

>>16140006

Fuck, forgot the Invidious, pls bully

>>16140009

It's okay, invidious, youtube, the other one I forgot the name of already, it's a placebo effect. It all still goes to google, they still get the results and reap the benefits.

>>16140016

Invidious is compromised too? I thought it was just HookTube.

>>16140165

still loads the video from googlevideo, although it might obfuscate the referrer and where it was embedded. never really looked into it myself.

>>16140165

Yeah. If you really care just use jdownloader 2 and rip it.

>>16140184

Obfuscate is still better than nothing. Also wasn't HookTube fucked because they did something that allowed jewgle to C&D them? I'm also not nearly as concerned about privacy here since I post on YouTube frequently anyway, but the idea of denying videos views like an Archive denies clicks is very appealing to me.

>>16140188

Noted Mein Fuhrer.