3b1dd0 No.16098384
With the recent popularity of shitty cashgrabbing "remakes" like HOMM3 HD or Duke Nukem World Tour, let's try to find some good ones. I've just got the Secret of Mana remake for the Vita and it seems pretty nice so far. The core of the game is unchanged, but the graphics are obviously much improved. I was impressed by the voice acting - old men, women, children have different voices; even single characters differ sometimes. There's also convenience additions like hotkeys for items. Well I was just playing it for only an hour or so, so I might still find some flaws later, but so far seems OK. Do you agree? What are your other examples?
efe638 No.16098419
>>16098384
There's The Shadow of Colossus remake from last year that like The Last Guardian game, was quickly forgotten.
242ec7 No.16098459
Gonna get a lot of flak for this, but I genuinely think this game is an overall improvement on the original. The only thing I agree with other people is that throwing Bowser is unwieldy, but if you're playing on the original DS you can just like, pop the stylus just for him and if you're playing on an emulator you can just bind the Dpad to your analog stick.
89e60d No.16098460
>Secret of Mana remake
The new one? I remember that being almost universally reviled as dogshit, even by normalfags
Anyways you've got a Vita so Odin Sphere Leifthraisir is a great remake. Muramasa Rebirth has a much improved translation and new content.
3b1dd0 No.16098464
>>16098460
Yeah and I was surprised by that. Because normalfags praise shit like HOMM3 HD and Duke World Tour that changed fucking nothing (or for the worse sometimes), but with Secret of Mana there's really lots of improved stuff. Take the remixed soundtrack, it's really good quality IMO.
89e60d No.16098484
Soul Hackers
Devil Survivor Overclocked 1 and 2
I've been hearing very good things about Burst ReNewal so far
Persona 2 IS
Persona PSP improved on everything except music; they changed it to (admittedly catchy, but that's my opinion) J-pop. It can either be a downgrade, upgrade or sidegrade for you.
The Ys remakes (Oath in Felghana and the other one who's name I cant remember off the top of my head)
Iirc Brandish's remake was beloved
Dragon Quest's… I've heard both good but sometimes mixed things about
Neptunia Rebirth series
Fire Emblem Echoes of Valentia
833b89 No.16098494
Isn't the new RE 2 Remake actually pretty good?
4b1b57 No.16098495
do fan remakes count? the official remake wasn't horrible but you can tell easily witch one was designed by a real metroid fan.
4fe5da No.16098511
>>16098464
What did world tour do? Isn't it just Megaton edition with a new name?
a46eec No.16098512
The Vigilante 8 remake for XBLA was FUCKING TERRIBLE.
>>16098494
Considering people seem to be genuinely having fun playing it, I guess, but if you played the original to any significant extent when it was new, many of the changes made will be off-putting.
>>16098495
AM2R is the gold standard in my book.
fb7ee1 No.16098520
>>16098494
not if you wanted it to be like the RE1 remake
9ded30 No.16098552
348b0c No.16098559
Is the PSP version of Yggdra Union a remake or a port?
c2f99f No.16098632
>With the recent popularity of shitty cashgrabbing "remakes" like HOMM3 HD or Duke Nukem World Tour, let's try to find some good ones.
Why?
Where teh fuck is all the new IPs?
5f46ee No.16098638
I prefer remakes that are actually reinterpretations, like Silent Hill Shattered Memories. Games should be remastered very carefully, but not straight remade: because this always overlaps the original, and deletes it forever.
Just like retrokids who don't realize that the Lisa Trevor subplot in Remake 1 wasn't there originally, and its tone is totally at odds with the rest of the game. Or the Atlus special editions which bloat the game and take focus away from the original plot.
047b8b No.16098643
The Settlers II: 10th Anniversary was pretty good.
6b5468 No.16098832
>>16098520
They did a great job with the gameplay, you do feel helpless without having to resort to the restrictions of tank controls.
>>16098520
buuut there's a lot missing, hell if only there were actually different scenarios for A and B runs I would rank it higher than the original but they are pretty much the exact same with the exception of the RPD.
3b1dd0 No.16098942
>>16098511
Not even! Megaton had a few expansions and the World Tour HAS NONE. In fact, a while before releasing World Turd they REMOVED MEGATON EDITION FROM STORES. Not only that, but the system requirements are way higher. And all you get is an average additional episode, new (worse) voice acting and a shitty "improved" engine that will slow your computer down to A CRAWL.
04cfcd No.16098949
>>16098494
No. I wanted RERE, not RE4.
c2966d No.16098974
One of the gold standards. I really need to get around to play muramasa too.
eba637 No.16099076
>>16098384
>What are your other examples?
Honestly, remakes started becoming trash with the 5th console generation and we haven't seen another "good" one since the 6th generation. Reason why is that while they WERE used to show how much "better" things are with the new tech, developers eventually started imposing censorship, did something incredibly stupid to make the remake somehow inferior, or missing the entire point of the game altogether.
f0167f No.16099279
>>16098552
That's a reimagining, the gameplay is too different.
a4426e No.16101846
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
The HD ports of Nights in Dreams and Jet Set Radio were particularly decent. They aren't demonstrably different from the originals, just have the graphics bumped up to higher resolutions and support for modern controllers. The 2011 remaster of Sonic CD was also very nice, aside from the Japanese intro theme removing the vocals due to Casey Rankin's estate not wanting to negotiate a deal with Sega. Jet Set also had some songs removed due to licensing now that I think about it.
On the flipside, I was disgusted to hear how Rez Infinite mangled the game's music. Many of the samples are either mixed super low or removed entirely. Worse still, there was supposed to be a patch for over a year ago, and still isn't around. I don't know why they couldn't just port the 2008 360 version instead. Shitty mixed music isn't a trade off for VR gimmicky shit and one new level.
>>16098494
A buddy of mine just beat it and absolutely hates it. He's brought up numerous issues with the game and it pales in comparison to the original.
71a30d No.16101851
>>16098459
I actually agree, controls aside, it was a pretty neato port/remake with more content.
Had a blast playing through it again when I was 13-14
68b0c9 No.16101853
>>16098494
From what I've seen, as a remake, absolutely not.
94ef52 No.16102055
Pokemon FireRed/LeafGreen and Heart Gold/Soul Silver. The RS remakes were shit though.
>>16098484
>Fire Emblem Echoes of Valentia
Heroes of Light and Shadow was pretty good too and improves on the original without any real flaws. Shadow Dragon also is an improvement over the original in every way, but it barely does anything beyond fixing the most retarded parts of the mechanics and had some retarded stuff itself. With the Full Content Patch romhack Shadow Dragon is absolutely better than FE1.
ba613f No.16102071
>>16102055
>this
HGSS are perfect examples of remakes done right in every way possible. Gamefreak cannot top it even with the main series.
68c8e4 No.16102093
1c2c7f No.16103577
Ive already been spoilered on the shitty new ending, but aside from that, is the SJ redux worth a play? Is it worth it from a demon collection and gameplay perspective?
>>16098494
As someone who's favorite game of all time is Resident Evil 2, it isn't terrible. It's not what the REmake was to 1, but it wasn't as bad as I assumed it was going to be. Just got done with S ranking with ClaireA on hardcore, and I gotta say, it was pretty fun. I guess I may have just been nostalgiafagging too hard from discovering the classic replacement option for the sounds in the options I'd be interested to look into how much of the original team worked on it, aside from the fact that Mikami and Kamiya didn't touch it.
08da0e No.16103617
>>16103577
Nu RE2 is a good game in it's own right. It's in a weird limbo where it doesn't suffer from being a remake but people are upset it's not a remake. Reminds me a lot of the Evil dead remake, it's not the same Evil dead but it's good on it's own merit.
>>16102055
R/S is god awful. Adding all the additional shit which drags everything down was just annoying. 3rd is my favourite gen and they made me hate the remake.
380b2a No.16103633
>>16098494
I thought it was fantastic, still B scenarios to finish. Like REmake, it has some interesting changes and the main one being Mr X chasing you in real time even in the first scenarios. I can understand why fans wouldn't like it but RE2 being one of my defining childhood games and favorites, I really loved this new one.
b60a17 No.16103653
None. Remasters can be good, in fact most of them are, but remakes are always wrong.
9ded30 No.16103662
>>16099279
It's not a reimagining. It has the same locations, with the same items, with mostly the same events and characters. If it was a reimagining, it would be nothing remotely like the original at all other than the title of the game. Like NuDoom is a reimagining of Doom.
9ded30 No.16103666
>>16099279
By your definition of remake, AM2R isn't a remake, it's a "reimagining". The gameplay is too different. AM2R is probably more different from the original Metroid 2 than Remake 2 is.
380b2a No.16103677
>>16103666
It really is satan
d71678 No.16103681
>>16103577
With SJ you're better off with the original. It added shit like saving anywhere and having unlimited sub apps which trivialises the dungeon crawling.
528906 No.16103961
>>16098384
smt strange journey end etrian odysseys
528906 No.16104017
>>16103681
>It added shit like saving anywhere
and this is bad how?
it's *current year*, saving anywhere should be mandatory, I don't want to play for five hours to be able to save
694c22 No.16104393
>>16103662
>Like NuDoom is a reimagining of Doom.
Doom 3 is a "reimagining" of the original Doom (However, they referred to it as a remake), nuDoom is a sequel to everything before Doom 3.
1c2c7f No.16105000
>>16103681
I've already played the original. I was asking if they added any new demons or improved in any ways on the battle system.
528906 No.16108635
>>16104072
>not being a nostalgiafag is bait now
93de8c No.16108653
>>16108635
This is why Persona is shit
Also OP is a fucking idiot redditor that doesn't know the deifference between remaster and remake
fda750 No.16108671
>>16104393
>nuDoom is a sequel to everything before Doom 3
Didn't the first marine in Doom 3 stop the invasion? I think I remember a second marine coming in for the dlc and killing Betruger though. How does Doom 4 fit into that or did they instead do a soft reboot?
eba637 No.16108718
>>16108671
>Didn't the first marine in Doom 3 stop the invasion? I think I remember a second marine coming in for the dlc and killing Betruger though. How does Doom 4 fit into that or did they instead do a soft reboot?
Okay, Doom 3 and Resurrection of Evil is a reboot of the series with Doom 3 being a remake of the original Doom. However, nuDoom (Doom 4), and the upcoming Doom Eternal, pick up after the events of Doom 64 and continue on the narrative of the original games (Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Doom 64, and Quake 3, although none of it is story).
11cc25 No.16111825
bio2 remake : zoomer trash
基本的に敵を倒すゲームじゃ無くて、敵を回避するゲームです。
昔のバイオ２のように、強力な武器をいつ拾って、強力な敵をいつ倒すみたいな
パズル的なゲームではないです。
主人公の動きはもっさり。武器は弱いです。
このゲームに過去作のような爽快感を求めてはいけません。
セーブ部屋にも敵が入ってくるので、常にストレスフル。
精神的な緩急がつかないので驚きが少なく、演出で損をしています。
2a3447 No.16125566
Tomb Raider Anniversary is top tier remake and reboot at same time.
7d3b30 No.16126507
>>16111825
TIANEMEN SQUARE
139ecf No.16126653
>>16104393
>>16108671
>>16108718
nuDoom considers all Doom games. The coffin the original Doomguy wakes up on in nuDoom is the one that the other Doomguy found in Doom 3. The third Doomguy is from Doom 3's DLC.
587151 No.16126719
>>16126507
Pretty sure chunks don't use hiragana or katakana.
349672 No.16126736
>Chris before he became a joke character
really takes you back
901d59 No.16126747
>>16098384
Zero Mission > Getting raped in prison > Metroid
9a5ba7 No.16126789
>>16098384
Sure OP, let's have a –
>I've just got the Secret of Mana remake for the Vita and it seems pretty nice so far
You know what, pass.
a13a6b No.16126966
>>16098638
The subplot with lisa wasnt there originally? Explain.
8b43d8 No.16126977
>>16098459
My only problem with it is the fact that Yoshi can make infinite coins on any level, ruining the high score system.
>you can just bind the Dpad to your analog stick
This is the same idiotic proposal people have used before to claim that the game controls better on a 3DS. An analog stick with digital control is still digital! It just has a giant, arbitrary dead zone.
8b43d8 No.16126980
Best remake comin through.
c8fd56 No.16128369
>>16126966
It was a subplot used only in the remake, the character/monster didnt exist in the previous versions.
8d72cb No.16128449
>Outrun on the bing bing wahoo
>60fps
>actual widescreen
>more music
<no C64 music
9ded30 No.16128471
>>16111825
Bio2 remake, hardcore is harder and more survival horror than ever before. Zoomer are faggots raised on commie core who can't handle difficult games.
if you conserve ammo for the first half of the game, you can almost go full rambo in the sewers and umbrella lab as long as you're smart enough to mostly save the mag only for bosses
拳銃は弱いけど、リオンのショットガンは強力なんだぜ、一撃でゾンビーの頭を打っ飛ばすほど。
dfcf84 No.16128643
>>16126966
It wasn't there, and it's at the odds with the tone of the rest. Originally RE was a pop, slightly tongue in cheek take on Night of the Living Dead and the Hammer movies. Western aesthetics, while Lisa Trevor is obviously a ripoff from The Ring.
6dca43 No.16128684
>>16126736
7 actually makes him more llike he wwas in 1/cv.
391908 No.16128730
>>16108718
>6 foot 0
>180 pounds
>with those muscles
I'm the same weight and height, and I look like a fucking hungry skeleton. There's no way he would weigh less than 230 pounds.
e2688e No.16128737
>>16098384
>Secret of Mana remake
>the graphics are obviously much improved
a0bd2b No.16128938
ad30c1 No.16129227
>>16098494
/v/'s too autistic for change.
d5eaa3 No.16129329
>>16128643
Huh. But I dont know about the 'at odds with the tone'. The game could get goofy, but that was mostly unintentional. Also, Lisa Trevor was ripped off from the ring? What does the girl that comes out of a TV and a girl who has been horribly experimented on have in common?
eba637 No.16129391
>>16129227
Change for the sake of change is always a destructive action. There was absolutely no reason for REmake 2 to become a third-person shooter and distance itself from the fixed camera, adventure gameplay of the original. Especially since the Origins Collection managed to show that that style of gameplay still works, is still loved, and still sells by the gallon.
6dca43 No.16129433
>>16129391
While that is correct and remake 1>remake 2, the second remake is pretty good and the best we could get with OTS.
1252d9 No.16130617
>>16129391
>still sells by the gallon
That's only because of the autistic rebecca fag who's the only person who thinks Zero was a good game.
All in all /v/ is autistic.
>actually wants ATB to come back
>wants to play dumb games with goofy camera angles because "muhgoodfactor"
eba637 No.16130720
>>16130617
>That's only because of the autistic rebecca fag who's the only person who thinks Zero was a good game.
<One Anon buys enough copies of a game for the company producing it to call it a success
3a400e No.16130736
>>16098494
It's very good but it's not a remake.
42bba9 No.16130822
Fuck, I'm confused as all hell. Can someone explain to me the difference between a remake, a remaster, a reboot and a revival?
e2688e No.16130871
>>16130822
Remake - same game with different graphics
Remaster - same game with upscaled textures/resolution
Reboot - new game with some of the same characters and plot points
cd342e No.16131019
So should I play the original Resident Evil games or just skip to the remakes?
cd342e No.16131096
>>16131088
Alright that makes sense. If I'm to play the older version of RE2 which one would you recommend? Aside from the dreamcast version emulation shouldn't be a problem.
42bba9 No.16131099
>>16130871
What about revivals?
cd342e No.16131256
>>16131250
Will do. Thanks for helping me out anon.
349672 No.16139798
>>16128684
Except for the jew face, but they gave everybody a jew face in Re7 for some ungodly reason.
c0db17 No.16139939
>>16128730
Are you considering mars' gravity? Maybe that's just Martian weight.
e5117e No.16140024
The Black Mesa remake was pretty good. Sad that the devs went crazy and decided to release before finishing and then taking years more to finally complete Xen.
ed33a9 No.16140039
>>16140024
It was awful. Ruined the flow and pacing of the original, buggy so most features don't work anyway with no fixes on the horizon, shooting feels like garbage, AI is broken.
03c7fd No.16140063
>try to think of a decent JRPG to name
>can't think of one without shit new localizations coming up
2ea202 No.16142566
>>16098494
No, it's a shitty cash grab pandering to COD tards
587151 No.16142782
>>16130822
>Remake
A redo of a game, whilst usually at least keeping some key elements, often from the ground up in visuals/audio/gameplay quality, but can also simply be the same game with redone gameplay (Odin Sphere: Leifthrasir being both gameplay remake and enhanced port between it's two modes).
>Remaster
Upscale of of an existing game. Gameplay may see minor tweaks, but not enough to be considered remade. Can be on par with the original, or worse by virtue of graphical glitches/bad port job.
>Reboot
Takes existing brand name and at least some of the characters/aspects, and disregards the previously established continuity, often to appeal to a newer, possibly bigger audience than the previous one. Hard to right, very easy to do wrong.
>Revival
Don't see the term used much, but I'd assume a new entry in a series considered long dead. Like Glory of Heracles seeing a fifth game for the DS, fourteen years after GoH IV on the SFC. Or maybe just doing anything with an IP after so long.
The fact you actually need this explained strikes me as sadly telling of the state of things.
>>16140063
What, for a modern remake? Just saying because there's plenty of old ones, some of which did have good remakes in the past. Tales of Destiny PS2 in English never ever.
349672 No.16148348
>>16142566
That's a mighty hot take, havent heard that one yet.
5b2504 No.16148369
>>16142566
>t. hasn't played REmake
f285d8 No.16148387
>>16098384
>the remakes
>not making his chest wider, arms beefier, and colors darker like in the original to make him the ultimate badass that everyone wants to play
Holy shit, gay mode activated. They must be putting something in the water in Japan.
d41dde No.16148395
>>16131019
The original 3+CV are completely different games than the remakes other than REmake 1, which stayed mostly true to the original, just added more story
fcb73f No.16148400
So what would Master Chief collection be considered? You can switch between high texture and original, thus a remake?
d41dde No.16148476
>>16148400
HD collections are remasters
c2966d No.16148785
>>16148400
Remasters and enhanced ports.