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remake ain't good

Also, are there documentaries or commentary on the original game's development? I'm really curious on what John Galt has to say or where Randy Pitchford fit into all this before being Randy Pitchford.

>>16048159

But why?

>>16048162

ok, here's the deal:

1st remake game: gun big time suck ass, tons of gay fucking rpg shit +5 hp, +20% ammo, big brain power thing,you get the idea. swordplay is good but not enough to save the damn game. see red steel 2 & demonsteele for great examples, mirrors don't work on ganoo+loonix, fun trivia. spongey enemies on higher difficulties

2 can suck my left nut, complete bonerland bullshit + you can dash fast but can't walk fast, it is gay. bullet sponge out the asshole or paper machee targets with puasedo-random level design.

>>16048159

I had the same problem with Hard Reset and nu-Shadow Warrior, they only really became fun when you had all the powers and then the game ended. (Dogshit bosses too)

>>16048162

They turned Lo Wang into an average Marvel capeshit fan with their "lewl I'm a superhero so randum".

>>16048407

>>16048198

So wait, you don't even get Fists of Fury as a weapon? Just the sword and various magical attacks for it? This sounds awful.

>>16048122

Remake ain't good because it's hard Reset with forced melee because your guns are peashooters and you don't get the stunlocking interactions Hard Reset gives you (Hard Reset you can basically get the EMP flechette + Gravity well grenades within the first couple of levels and after that you just need to level an AoE of your choice and you're good, most of the combat then relies on you making good use of placement and environmental damage with the occasional section that relies more on sniping or frontloading tons of damage on one specific enemy), and that's without getting into whatever the fuck they turned Lo Wang into

Remake sequel has loot'n'shoot borderlands style so I never even bothered trying it.

>SW remake 1

It was ok. Some bits were a little tedious but it was a competent shooter with a sword. I wouldn't replay it, but I enjoyed it enough once and it's good to tide you over a dry spell considering how few good shooters are coming out.

>SW remake pt 2

Personally I liked it, with conditions. If you play it on easy you'll hate it and if you play it on hardest you'll hate it too, because as people have said enemies are tanky as fuck and every encounter becomes an exercise in cheese and resource management.

It's like Borderlands in a way, but unlike it in others. Missions are doled out in a linear fashion so you'll never encounter things you can't do, for one. There are fucking tons of unique weapons most of which have a fairly distinct feel for their ammo class and you can pretty much use them all at once, and you can socket modifiers on them to change how they behave. The game starts getting actually good when you find some guns you like and get some good socketed items. You can also combine the bonuses to upgrade them which is a bit of a crapshoot but adds meaning to the game, and is essential because the game tends to give you esoteric trash bonuses by default. When you get good socket bonuses on your shotguns and swords you can really rip and tear and that's quite fun. It may be contentious but I felt a similar feeling to playing DOOM at parts in terms of how it feels killing shit because of the decent melee and swapping through the eventually punchy weapons I assembled, although you don't have the glory kills. If you had to pick one of the two (SW 1 vs 2) I'd probably suggest this one, although perhaps that's a divisive opinion also. Other notes are that sections of maps are randomly generated, which I didn't find particularly compelling, there's not a lot of verticality and enemies don't handle it well, there aren't many indoor areas and only about three or four biomes to fight in between all the levels and every level in a biome feels similar aside from setpieces but there's decent variety in enemy types. Overall I'd say SW2 is an interesting exercise in game design.

Both games are very colorful, aesthetic as fuck and pretty, which is a nice change too.

>>16050632

>Motherfucker's singing along to you've got the power and is pulling out all the "I'm a neeerd" bullshit

I hate this a lot, can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if Wang had his accent and character back?

>>16048407

I went back and played Borderlands recently and I disagree with this sentiment. What did you play? The combat doesn't feel anything similar and Borderlands feels like a fucking MMO and I had to abandon it. If I had to liken Shadow Warrior 2 to something, it would be perhaps nu-doom combined with Torchlight 2

>>16048122

> I really like it and I'm curious about the remakes.

There is no remake and I wish people stopped calling it that. Nu-Shadow Warrior is a completely different game, the only thing it has in common with the old game is that you are an Asian guy with a sword and guns. You can call it a reboot, but it's not a remake.

>>16050753

>nu-doom combined with Torchlight 2

I thought that what borderlands was, an arena wave shooter with diablo-like loot?

>>16050935

That's precisely what it is. Just add a shitty, extra thick cartoony outline and hipster characters and the picture is complete.

>>16051105

>Borderlands is like any fps

>try to shoot an enemy you are underlevelled for with a sniper rifle

>hit

>do no fucking damage even though he's half undressed and just an ordinary man

It's a single player MMO.

>>16051165

>singleplayer MMO game

its more of an RPG

>>16051105

>Decent story

Borderlands 1 has a decent story. It's also a first entry into a series making its unpolished nature acceptable. Every other game has been an absolute shit show, from story to gameplay.

>>16048122

>Lack of difficulty

It's undeniably easier than blood, but I wouldn't say under any means that it lacks difficulty.

Have you played it in no pain no gain? Unlike other games of the era that had the retarded notion of just making enemies respawn after being killed in the hardest setting, or the fucking slog that extra cripsy is in blood, in sw it just increases the amount of enemies in maps, which makes for better encounters.

Of the build engine games, this one has always been my favorite in terms of gameplay.

>>16048122

>lack of difficulty

Did you play it on Easy or something? There's a bunch of enemies that straight up instakill the player to the point of being borderline bullshit. Like the invisible ninja enemies. I would say Shadow Warrior was a lot harder than Duke Nukem 3D due to the over-reliance on hitscan enemies and how Lo Wang's arsenal is full of situational guns like the heart and stickybomb. Wheras Duke's guns were all based around being useful in most circumstances.

>it being fairly short

This is a non-factor because of the game's expansion packs. For some reason the second expansion pack Twin Dragon is better than the vanilla game.

Also Shadow Warrior is debatably Lee Jackson's best work he did an incredible job on it.

>>16051267

At least I'm not Anthony Burch

>>16052619

>>16054654

I played it on WHO WANTO SOME WANG. The only threats were the shadow ninjas and I pretty much drop anything to take them out as soon as I see them since the other enemies can wait and the hitscanners don't do as much as other games.

>Lo Wang having situational guns

I think his main weapons are the grenade and rocket launcher, the rest is just stuff you use in the interim.

>Blood

Funny, I started blood after I made this thread. Currently on E2M3, it's absurdly good, and I kind of disagree about how Extra Crispy is a slog. Yes I happen to die a lot in those rooms where there's a bunch of enemies but a lot of the time it's me redoing the same things wrong like staying in one place long enough and missing point blank shotgun shots. If I had a complaint with blood it's that it seems like how much ammo or health you'd have depends on how many secrets you find because outside of that your ammo gain is pitiful and how the tommy guns could use a tiny bit more stunlock to them so that my strafing runs into cover are less unforgiving when my aim jerks around to cover the whole room. I love everything else. The double barrelled shotgun I adore. The dynamite is stupidly satisfying to master using. The pitchfork has a pretty satisfying rhythm to using it I do wish you could throw it as a last ditch high damage ranged attack though. The napalm launcher and flare gun are fucking great to use and the voodoo doll is pretty funny and it gets rid of those asshole gargoyles quickly.

I haven't played doom all this while. I have to ask, having playing the build engine "holy trilogy" first, will I find that it holds up?

>>16054800

Doom is very different since its engine was more primitive. Its environments were more abstract compared to games using the Build engine which typically had very realistic locations for its environments. (With exceptions like Dn3D's second episode).

>>16054817

So I guess level design is it's forte? I guess I'm on board. What about Marathon?

>>16054831

Marathon's different. While it's a 2.5D engine game it's less focused on mindless action. It's more story driven and you typically have objectives in levels. IE: "get to this terminal" or "destroy this machine" etc. There is a big difference between Marathon and other 2.5D games which is it's significantly more labyrinthine. You can find yourself spending 30mins-1hr on some of the maps in Marathon due to how sprawling they are. Also it runs on an objectively worse engine that the fan community doesn't bother to fix with enhancements like proper mouselook, FOV fixes and actual 60 FPS support.

On the flipside Marathon is easily one of the more ambitious 2.5D engine games since it did attempt to be more than just an action game and much of its plot is very Gibson-esque. Like with the third game the premise is the player is jumping between alternate timelines in an attempt to find a "correct" timeline where this Lovecraftian God doesn't escape from this star that explodes at the end of the second game. It's really fascinating since the game starts with you already in a failed timeline and many timelines have a "dead end" where you have to jump to a different one. And you keep jumping until you find the correct one. It also ends somewhat ambiguously. Halo was also a spiritual successor to Marathon (however it was very different at the same time).

I decided I'd give Shadow Warrior a retry on no pain no gain since I'm getting my ass handed to me on Blood so I want to git gud, also I was completely unaware that the DLC expacs existed.

Just finished the shareware episode, more shadow niggers are actually kind of fun to overcome.

>>16054800

>will I find that it holds up?

I've only come to appreciate Wolfenstein 3D more with age. The simplicity highlights how good some of the level design is, as well as the low-effort 2.5D FPS indie renaissance. You should play every pre-Bethesda id game.

>>16056474

>You should play every pre-Bethesda id game.

quake 2 is boring as fuck though

>>16056474

>>16056718

I plan to after I'm done with Blood, which is at this rate going to be in a month or something. Quake I'd really like to give a go because of all the movement tech.

Is DUSK worth playing? I vaguely remember playing a bit of episode 1, finding it too easy and dropping it.

>>16056828

DUSK is okay but Descent & Overload are the true man's thinking game of first person shooters.

>>16056840

Descent is what I first played last year to get into this whole FPS craze. It's fucking great. Overload, my toaster couldn't run it on a stable 60 so I'm putting it on hold because I don't want to ruin it. I will mention that it felt absurdly dark at times.

>>16056847

Then buy a RTX 2080 -t. not a NVIDIA shill

>>16056853

I'll keep with this beefy rig until it completely dies. Then I get to play Overload and Vanquish and Nioh.

Anyways since I'm putting stuff on list might as well ask for more. Has anyone played Amid Evil or Ion Maiden? Should I play either once they're released?

>>16056828

so are you playing 1st gen fps or just 90s/retro fps in general?

>>16057007

Retro FPS in general. So far I'm done with both Descent games(don't know about 3), Duke, Shadow Warrior(but not the DLC yet), Powerslave EX, Hexen and Will Rock

>>16057031

alright, check the marathon trilogy, redneck rampage and finish up blood before going to quake

>>16057065

oh shit I forgot about dark forces, you should really check out dark forces

polite sage for doublepost

>>16057075

I played Dark Forces 2 yeah. Again despite being kind of easy I loved how massive and detailed the levels were and all the mobility you got. Jedi Outcast, I didn't like that much. Something about going from olympic sprinter with speed force to standard slow fps guy with horrible fall damage resistance just didn't mesh with me.

It's no Blood

>Sumo Sky Palace on no pain no gain

>that one part when you platform over rising and falling pillars while bees come at you

>no more hitscan ammo

>no nukes

>no portable medkit

>smoke bomb isn't working

>40 hp

What is this fucking bullshit