ec72e4 No.16017279
The cancellation of Silent Hills is representative of the death of video games as an art form. Now it's just a product to be sold, there's no love put into games anymore. No soul.
a5bb58 No.16017283
How many of these blackpill threads do we need every day? Make one thread and wheep there faggots also dubs thread
091e2f No.16017284
f095b9 No.16017296
>>16017279
>implying they were an art form from the get go
ec72e4 No.16017299
d0d651 No.16017311
Kojima never intended on finishing development for SH he always planned on leaving and set up Konami it was never going to be made and was built on lies. Konami wanted him to work on SH not the other way around.
091e2f No.16017318
>>16017311
[citation needed]
b1e2cc No.16017337
>Another souless iteration of a cheerished brand is the tipping point for my retarded self
Kill yourself Kojicuck
Silent Hill is nothing without Team Silent and Team Siren is butchered beyond belief, doubly so with Sony owning their ass.
75ce07 No.16017339
>>16017311
Give us more info but I believe you none or less
7918ad No.16017382
>>16017284
Death Stranding will either prove you right or wrong.
700c42 No.16017404
>people dislike Kojima so much they defend Konami despite them literally abusing their employees
>Kojima's team hated working at Konami so much almost all of them jumped ship to his company the moment he set it up
don't let memes overtake your basic sense of reality lads, you don't have to like Kojima but don't turn into a corporate bootlicker because of dumb bullshit
b1e2cc No.16017421
>>16017404
I don't like Kikenami or Cuckjima
I don't like their autistic fanbases even more.
Konami had Capcom tier cult following at one point.
f7a0fa No.16017432
>>16017279
>death of videogames as an art form
This is the kind of mentality that gave us the load of bullshit we have today. If faggots that had failed at being anyone of worth in other industries hadn't come to videogames we would still have the non-serious take on vidya that was all about fun and entertainment, because videogames are fucking games.
Remember, anyone that talks about videogames as an art to be appreciated and contemplated seeks nothing of good for you or anyone who actually enjoys the medium for what it has to offer over movies, books, etc.
Videogames are for the funs like waifus are for the headpats.
8b873c No.16017447
>>16017404
You can hate both you fucking retard. Kojima convinced Konami to set up Kojima Productions in L.A. and what did Kojima do in the half a decade doing Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain? fucking around in Hollywood while Konami thought to pull out from the console business to go full-on Pachinko, a year later Gambling gets legalized in Japan and they got fucked.
fab79a No.16017473
It looked like shit from the get go. It took Silent Hill and made it into a walking sim with 2spooky imagery. Honestly, it looked like a game for the twitch crowd with some decent atmosphere but that was about it. It certainly didn’t look like Silent Hill, and considering how much Kojima has cucked, we really didn’t need him tainting SH any more than it had been.
ab1318 No.16017489
>>16017447
>You can hate both you fucking retard.
Then explain to me why everyone who criticizes kojima completely ignores konami or brushes off every single thing they've ever done wrong?
8b873c No.16017497
>>16017489
Because /v/ is a hive mind! you retarded faggot.
6e2644 No.16017500
>>16017279
Stop sucking Kojima's dick, it would have been a horrendous SH, maybe better than the Hulett saga but far from the classic series nonetheless.
507427 No.16017502
>>16017473
the trailer from your pic, made me glad it got cancelled, it actually looked like it was gonna be downpour 2.0 with those graphics.
The only thing close to Silent Hills is PT, and it was supposed to be 1st and 3rd person, much like the room
667c80 No.16017503
>Silent hill
>with a celebrity as the main character.
This would've been a crap game from the get go, maybe an interesting crap game, but nothing Kojimba could've pulled out of his ass could've made this good. Konami would've shat it all up anyways
d37166 No.16017515
>>16017279
Did you actually play PT? What makes you think that Kojima would deliver? Kojima is a hack, Del Toro hasn't made anything good in years and Ito's style is really hard to translate to anime, let alone videogames. If the teaser was anything to go b,y then it's clear Silent Hill would've been just another youtuber horror game, only jump scares and run around figuring out what the fuck to do, so scary. No decent direction and symbolism, the only thing I'll give it is high production values, so yeah if that's what you want style over substance then you're a casual faggot that doesn't know shit about videogames.
Also why don't you check these digits
ab1318 No.16017520
>>16017497
So you have no particular counter point, your opinion has no value.
6e2644 No.16017527
>>16017503
Le spooky haunted house SH staring Norman Fetus with le epic and clever 4th wall breaking with all the community helping each other to solve every puzzle and mystery in the real world with a d33rp message about something with Kojima's genius writing 4 teh w33n.
cc262e No.16017546
>we will never get another masterpiece like Silent Hill 2
66d785 No.16017558
From the very beginning it always bother me that PT was supposed to be a Silent Hill despite the fact that it didn't show any hint of being connected to the series. Also, fuck that of having a guest start, the point of the protagonists of SH was to make them every day persons, Konami just needs to admit that they would never recreate the magic of the first games. At least not without Team Silent.
>>16017546
>We will never get another horror series that put such emphasis on the symbology and ambiance of the world
93b17c No.16017571
>>16017279
>The cancellation of Silent Hills is representative of the death of video games as an art form.
you didn't need the last four words
ec8124 No.16017575
>>16017546
>>16017558
Silent Hill 2 is one of the most love/hate game I know of. I love it for everything that's good about it and still enjoy it to this day but hate it for it's mark on the modern Horror genre in games. Like how many shitty horror games have you seen try to be Silent Hill 2 in your life time? It's like the Earthbound of horror games.
I still want at least one more game like Silent Hill 1 truth be told.
5c0ccc No.16017576
shut your fucking mouth that guy's still making a new game with tons of money and all his new hollywood actor friends I bet this is cuckchan copypasta
6e2644 No.16017577
>>16017575
Is less the game's fault and more about the pseudo-artists that got it all wrong about the game, they began to spew the whole psychology, amnesia and sexual themes without any kind of real context, furthermore and as usual they never liked the occult stuff which meant they would rather read Freud and not the Red Skin book.
f759dd No.16017584
>>16017279
It took you until now? It took Silent Hills for you to think of this? How long has your head been up your ass?
66d785 No.16017590
>>16017575
Lamentably as with anything that is genuinely good, others try to copy without other standing why it worked in the first place, it happened to Silent Hill itself as you can see with the american games.
>I still want at least one more game like Silent Hill 1 truth be told.
My nigger, I actually enjoy more SH1. For me it's way more depressing with you take into account the events of 3.
a4f7b4 No.16017608
>Implying Death Stranding isn't silent hills. When will you stupid fucking niggerfaggots ever learn?
4eca96 No.16017621
>>16017382
No it won't. Silent Hills was a franchise that was popular for a specific reason. Kojima's game intended on creating something different with the name plastered on top. That instantly makes it shit.
>>16017299
>>16017311
>>16017500
checked
cc262e No.16017706
>>16017577
>>16017575
Any new horror games I play these days that try the psychological horror aspect just feel pretentious as all fuck. I dont know how Team Silent did it. Those guys were fucking genius.
fab79a No.16017719
>>16017558
>symbology
That’s the hard part. Devs try to do that all the time but now of days it comes across as pretentious. The fun thing about Silent Hill is that, for the most part, they symbology was never rubbed in your face and was very, very subtle most of the time and often required you to do a little research after playing to get it all. Hell, a lot of people miss that Henry in SH4 was an actual shut in who likely had Anthropophobia, yet the game really only mentions it once and that’s if you pay attention to the paintings in one of the rooms.
28cb1b No.16017723
When did hating Kojima become popular on nu-/v/?
0e68a8 No.16017725
>>16017279
This board, website, and the planet in general would be better off if you depressed faggots just manned up and killed yourselves.
ec8124 No.16017728
>>16017706
Because there was other stuff going on in SH2 other than MUH DEPRESSHON/MUH ISSUES which is what every faggot puts in their horror shit nowadays to jack off over how deep they are for "tackling such an important issue".
b86a9b No.16017737
>>16017279
>The cancellation of Silent Hills is representative of the death of video games as an art form.
But, P.T. was a shit Amnesia clone that only gained recognition because of it's graphics (Which were only impressive to anyone who hadn't played Crysis 7 years prior), Kojima, and Cuck Toro; and had as much to do with Silent Hill as Batman does with Marvel Comics.
ab1318 No.16017743
>>16017723
Mostly just a Goon thing, they always take the opposite view that is popular then push that view to undermine the integrity of every community they try to infiltrate. Succeeds mostly cause people get tired of arguing with them so people take the silence as being a failure or lack of any other side.
ec8124 No.16017752
>>16017723
>>16017743
You guys have got to stop conflating calling out Kojima's clear mistakes or refusal to suck his dick at every turn as outright hating the guy.
b86a9b No.16017755
>>16017546
>>16017558
>>16017575
Could I just take the time to say that Silent Hill 2 is one of the most overrated games of all time. It's been a few years since I played it, but it just left no lasting effect on me. There's very little that's actually interesting about the game, but people just cannot seem to shut up about how "moving" the story is when iy boils down to simply James failing to move on aftet killing his deathly ill wife. And, it's always the story they talk about. Never the gameplay. Seriously, answer this:
Which of the four (five counting the GBA visual novel) Silent Hill games had the best gameplay, and why is this never discussed?
8bf701 No.16017757
>product to be sold
Games are services now, goyim. You don't own shit and your access can be revoked on a whim.
ab1318 No.16017758
>>16017752
Come back to me after reading years worth of threads where it's only the same group of Anons who always push everything as being Kojima's fault above everything else to the point of absurdity. Then we'll talk.
ec8124 No.16017765
>>16017758
There's always a few anons like that sure but there's just as many if not more anons that never stop going on about him like he can do no wrong. Both are equally annoying.
28cb1b No.16017771
>>16017765
>but there's just as many if not more anons that never stop going on about him like he can do no wrong.
>saying this when a shitposter in a MGS Online thread outright admitted to having a text document full of copypastas to spam
ec8124 No.16017778
>>16017755
>Which of the four (five counting the GBA visual novel) Silent Hill games had the best gameplay, and why is this never discussed?
If they had actually taken the time to work on it just a little bit more I'd honestly say SH4. But considering what we got I'd have to say gameplay wise the best is probably still the original game. All of the weapons are geared towards the enemies you will be fighting and all of the enemies (with the exception of maybe the raptor things) are geared toward Harry and his range of movement and usually evenly spaced in the areas they're in so you don't fight with the camera as much as opposed to the other games. Also Harry's the best fighter out of all the protagonists.
>>16017771
>Going in MGO threads
>"I-It was just one shitposter all along guys!"
Ok
ab1318 No.16017785
>>16017765
Defending Kojima unconditionally? Bullshit
The closest I've ever seen anything resembling that is reposting this. Every time it's the same small circle jerk that responds to each other and every other poster in the thread without fail. There is no small number of Anons and everyone else generally agrees, it's always been a small group and everyone else just stopped responding entirely because they never actually changed their talking points. You think that doesn't happen cause you haven't had to put up with that shit for nearly long enough.
c0b4f7 No.16017794
>>16017737
>Amnesia clone
Literally how? Because they're both first person? They shared no other mechanics. They weren't even the same in terms of atmosphere, tone, or theme.
b86a9b No.16017827
>>16017794
Both are first-person adventure games where an amnesiac wakes up in a room and must investigate the haunted environment to solve the puzzle, meanwhile there are signs that much more sinister event happened in the location prior to the player appearing, and there's some "spooky" monster trying to kill the player. Oh, and the player is helpless to defend themself, so their only course of action is to run.
c0b4f7 No.16017843
>>16017827
That's 90% of horror games, not just Amnesia. And those are the most rendered-down aspects that ignore all the parts that make them unique (from eachother, at least).
3185d6 No.16017844
Games were always just a product to be sold. Anything else is a lie.
28cb1b No.16017845
>>16017827
Congrats, you described the archetypal horror game.
6e2644 No.16017849
>>16017706
Because Team Silent didn't go directly for the psychological stuff, they wanted horror to go deep with the usual fear of the strange and unknown, as you know they went and did some research in demonology and the occult, they also combined those elements with some Japanese horror, basically they really wanted a wider audience not just for numbers as other companies do nowadays.
What you mention is truly pretentious because they got for the psychological stuff and twists from the start, is not something they build up, a lot of us make that mistake when trying to come up with a story, even if it is an outline, I am guilty as charged, we tend to make the ending first and then go in reverse, most of the time we are stuck in the middle, the results are what you have seen a few times already.
104d69 No.16017857
>>16017279
>art form.
>product to be sold
This is false opposition. Art was always about been sold.
f0d753 No.16017869
>X isn't art, it's a product!
Everything aside I hate this saying so fucking much, and it's usually a youtube critic with a really annoying voice using it too.
6e2644 No.16017870
>>16017723
For me? around MGS4, and then the whole MGS5 fiasco, yes, Konami had a part on it with the marketing and development BUT the fucked up plot was all Kojima, even with the missing chapter MGS5 is a complete letdown, interesting to note, I like MGR but Kojima only gave that plot a greenlight and that's it, so, for all the cheese in that game it was fun and refreshing.
>>16017794
Walking simulators are usually called Amnesia clones too, at least when they are horror, I call them YouTube fodder because PDP made them popular with Amnesia, hell, is the reason RE7 exists.
>>16017857
There can be some artistic process and merit within the product BUT is true, it can be judged by its quality as a piece of entertainment, some devs try to use the "art" card to avoid any criticism, like Bioware with ME3, indies with Gone Homo, Her Story or Life is Strange, shit like that.
b86a9b No.16017875
>>16017843
What? Like actual gameplay (Aside from "Run away from the monster") and camera angles (That are outside of the player's head) that are not designed around the purpose of creating cheap tension?
863ad1 No.16017885
I wanted a kojipro sh game for so long. I used to write about it on forums and they'd all scoff at it in disbelief.
e20848 No.16017931
0e6bf6 No.16018001
>>16017723
>Years of dicksucking, eventually you get tired of it or start seeing it as blind fanboyism
>Disappointment over MGSV (Konami played a large part of course but Kojima is not without blame either)
>Rubbing shoulders with Hollywood liberal/Marxist types and beginning to become the cancer
>Essentially popularized the movie-game trend and people around here are sick of cutscene heavy games
863ad1 No.16018062
>>16018053
I bet Kojima took the knee before sucking on hollykike cock.
74e8ce No.16018069
>>16017489
The answer to that is actually very simple. Post-Cuckjima, Kikenami has made absolutely nothing of value or interest, thus there is nothing for their fanboys to shill about. If there is noone shilling in Kikenami's favor then why should anyone bother to start shitting on them? In case you haven't noticed, all the anti-Cuckjima shitposting is always contained within threads where the OP openly tries to praise his Nipnong ass or to revive interest in his shit works.
inb4 muh reactionaries
f1a206 No.16018074
>>16017279
What a bunch of hyperbole. Games with potential are cancelled all the time, but somehow Silent Hills getting cancelled is the death of vidya?
b1e2cc No.16018374
>>16018074
Cuckjima cocksuckers
But stop hating him or his Star Citizen tier cult.
700c42 No.16018469
>>16018374
I was more excited for the fact fucking Junji Ito was going to be working on the game, that would have been incredible.
6f5659 No.16018484
>>16018069
>>his shit works
>trying to retroactively act like ZoE and Metal Gear are bad games because of internet memes
Anon stop being such a mindless drone who takes his opinions from other people, holy shit. You should also remember that dozens of people made on those games, one man isn't responsible for them.
>>16018469
THIS
I don't care one way or the other about Kojima, but Junji Ito working on a Silent Hill game would have brought out some crazy shit.
e80280 No.16018532
Fucking console peasants ruined video games. Vidya can never and will never be art. Who is the artist that makes the video game? Is it the programmer, the concept artist, the composer or the fucking ideas guy? You can't answer this question because video games are not art. Video games are closer to an assembly line and if we pretend there's artistic merit to it get shit like Gone Homo. Fuck you, consolespic!
e1c40e No.16018537
Just a reminder that Death Stranding's main plot is built around a homonym, because both obstericians and couriers make deliveries, our protagonist is a courier and he can't make that particular delivery, because even though he is a man who delivers, he cannot do obsterician's work
>>16017489
Konami's mistake was not abusing Kojima enough
>giving a known hack 80 million dollars, position of VP and 8 years (three for Fox Engine alone, 5 for The phantom scam) to do whatever the fuck unattended
Should've send yakuza to kidnap his son and force him to play MGS while snatching every copy of monhun he'd try to get.
>>16017737
>Cuck Toro
>not Guillermo del taco
>not even guillermo del cucko
>>16017771
>document full of copypastas to spam
>I was that poster and i usually have /tv/ copypastas "kike cucklasa", "X is the most hung guy in hollywood", a few sweetieposts, and a list of nicknames for "KK"Kazuhira ""Master" "Race" Miller
>>16017785
>in 5 years they couldn't have developed a single trick for that base to have metal gear worthless garbage sahelanthropus mass produced including but not limited to
>literal bitmaps
>low-poly low-res models
>forcing camera in a way you never see more than 5 at once
>even if it's real because he dude trust me, its description is literally Miner's Residence+Underground US Base from peace walker, with the same fucking plot point of mass production, except PEACE WALKER ACTUALLY WORKED ON ITS OWN AS INTENDED and didn't require literal magic to operate
b6a5fa No.16018542
>>16017283
What the fuck is with the blackpills as of late?
ab1318 No.16018584
>>16018537
>except PEACE WALKER
Was broken down into small individual maps you select for your missions. I'll admit that cap is "my dad's from Nintendo" tier in the trust department because you're just taking an Anon's word for it, but Peace Walker wasn't an open world game so it didn't have nearly the same requirements.
0d829f No.16018610
>>16018584
Peace Walker had small areas and missions because they're meant to be completed quickly as you're playing on a portable console while going somewhere.
700c42 No.16018636
>>16018584
>but Peace Walker wasn't an open world game
I don't think that was his point
fee393 No.16018646
>>16017283
>singles
Let me show you how it's done
57dc91 No.16018697
check these
>>16018542
/cow/
c572c5 No.16018704
>resident shill
>retarded resident evil rippoff when konami still made console crap
good riddance. i hated the entire series.
f27f3d No.16018729
918d55 No.16019945
Making a fucking interactive movie is not "art".
236c09 No.16020821
>>16017404
I seen people here defend RazorFist. Some people just have memes instead of opinions.
>>16017743
I don't get goons. Goons seem to have both a superiority complex and tunnel vision. They are willing to use SJW arguments to shit on weebs and they are prone to SJW infection. They are also all blackpilled fags yet it is their own damn fault.
624408 No.16020834
>>16018704
>SH 1 to 3 are bad
Nice bait. I actually fell for it by replying.
6e2644 No.16020883
>>16020834
b-b-b-b-b-but Silent Hill is about psychology! not the occult shit!
700c42 No.16020896
>>16020883
What are you even trying to imply
5986e1 No.16020907
>factions that actually fight
>civilian population
>desert, jungle, mountains, snow, forests, towns
>real world weapons
>take a squad or go alone
>planes, helicopters, parachutes
ubishit devved Ghost Recon Wildlands is a better MGS5 game than what Kojima made. now that's funny.
6e2644 No.16020911
>>16020896
People who only like SH2 who fail to realize even that game had occult elements at play.
d47f57 No.16020956
>>16017723
I don't hate Kojima. I hate the people who think he's some sort of god who can do no wrong
e1c40e No.16020977
>>16020907
>TPP africa map is supposed to be engulfed in Angolan civil war
>tfw found that out from reading a book about XX century events around the world
>Soviet-Afghan war
>Soviets losing hard
>not a single Mujaheddin in sight MALAK (also literally the only unique character in the game who has an actual name)
>they control northern kabul, which is the fucking capital of country
>capital has 2 sets of ruins, 2 villages, and soviet tents
I believe that "back up, back down" is just kaz lying to you, there are no Mujaheddin guerillas, you're just stealing random soviet vehicles.
>in overworld there's one truck per map aimlessly driving around, never loading or offloading anything, soldiers don't eat, need ammo or move posts (like in a PS2 game)
if not for it being on uplay and an ubishit, I'd have played wildlands.
cc262e No.16021496
>>16017755
GBA had the best obviously. Joking aside
>There's very little that's actually interesting about the game
I think there's plenty interesting about it. Especially the characters and their backstories. The way the town fucks with you and James in general. The Silent Hill historical Society and underground Prison are the highlight of the game when it comes to interesting shit.
As for why the gameplay is never discussed I think that just boils down to the game being a horror game. If James had perfect aim and could swing a bar or piece of wood faster than his slow ass animation then I don't think I'd feel any sense of helplessness as I mow down enemy after enemy. Although to be fair the monsters in SH2 are easy as shit to kill hard mode makes them bullet sponges though, which is gay
e55577 No.16021526
>games as an art form
Stopped reading there.
e97d52 No.16021576
I actually hate video games. Video games were created by the kikes to waste white men's time and to basically create flabby and weak Aryan populace so that they could never reproduce effectively.
Destroy (((video games))). The time has come to AWAKE.
1b0d58 No.16021660
>>16017296
>>16017279
>>16017857
>>16017869
>>16017870
>>16018532
>>16019945
>>16021526
Jesus tap-dancing Christ, this fucking argument again. Video games are not art, they're something far, far more important that deserves the same First Amendment protections for the exact same reasons.
Video games are a form of expression.
Every artistic medium is nothing more than a form of expression. A canvas does not become art until you put paint on it, but not every painted canvas is art; food on a plate can be artistic, but you don't get a work of art at McDonalds or Red Robin, even if they claim that presentation matters.
Video games are the exact same way. Not every video game is a work of art or a masterpiece. Art takes time, effort, and most of all, soul to create. Video games like Castlevania and Super Metroid are works of art, where even the flaws are recognized and cherished as part of the experience. These days, the 'art' is nothing more than mass-produced anti-consumerist trash, nothing more than a digital Big Mac with DLC for secret sauce.
It's far more important for people to recognize the difference, because these hack (((journalists))) just sit here and point at Chrono Trigger as an example of why Battlefield Vagina is fucking art is fucking stupid and every single person out there should be pointing and laughing at these worthless wastes of biomass. Professional critics were a fucking mistake.
d3e837 No.16021681
>>16017723
When MGSV turned out shit. Good will was gone. This isn't hard, if you lurked more you would know this answer yourself.
3ab0e6 No.16021683
Movies get canceled all the time. Big deal. Also videogames are not art.
b86a9b No.16021703
>>16021496
>The way the town fucks with you and James in general.
What makes it so special in comparison to what Harry, Heather, and Henry had to experience (As well as the secondary characters in the games such a Cybil, Dahlia, Kaufmann, Angela, Eddie, even Maria, Douglas, Vincent, Claudia, and Eileen)? The only thing I've actually heard as far as the developers take is that Silent Hill 2 dealt with "sex and death" and focused on the horror primarily being "claustrophobic" (And, they countered that aspect by making Silent Hill 3 go in the opposite direction of being more open).
>If James had perfect aim
Don't all the protagonists in the Silent Hill series have better aim than all of the Resident Evil protagonists?
cc262e No.16021735
>>16021703
Silent Hill 2 just has the most places I love (The apartments, The Prison, The Maze, The Hotel). And despite the bad voice acting there's really something charming about it and just makes the game feel like it's a dream. Especially with those FMV's that run at 60fps.
>Silent Hill 2 dealt with "sex and death"
Well you're not wrong but I'm pretty sure there were more things in the games themes besides those two. I just love how not "in your face" the game is about them unlike nu-horror games that try so fucking hard to be 2deep.
>What makes it so special in comparison to what the other characters had to experience
I don't really know man. I guess that just comes down to which one is your favorite. I do like Silent Hill 3's enemy designs and bosses more though.
ec72e4 No.16021751
521ebc No.16021772
>>16017743
>disliking Kojima is a goon thing
You can't be serious, he's a wannabe Hollywood personality and a westaboo. I don't dislike his games, but he's pretty obnoxious.
6e2644 No.16021773
>>16021703
I think only in the first three games the main character can miss shots but SH has better melee combat than any Resident Evil game.
6e2644 No.16021776
>>16021735
>And despite the bad voice acting
It was like that on purpose, stop listening to Tomm.
6e2644 No.16021780
>>16021703
Also, in SH1 everyone experiences the same as Harry, therapist town is only "present" in SH2, Vincent was just screwing with you in SH3, Eileen doesn't see anything different than Henry because those manifestations were Walter's.
ab1318 No.16021798
>>16021780
>he never saw the Missionary's face
6e2644 No.16021804
>>16021798
What does that have to do with the fact that therapist town is only in SH2 and the rest of the time manifestations come from a few very specific individuals?
ab1318 No.16021809
>>16021804
The Missionary was always a person.
0c461c No.16021813
>>16021809
Yeah, and there's really a man in the moon.
6e2644 No.16021814
>>16021809
Twisted by Claudia's faith, doesn't contradict what I said.
cc8da6 No.16021854
>>16017279
Art and soul is dead these days, everything is now mass produced soulless plastic, thanks capitalism.
a79ad2 No.16021888
When was this cancelled? Must not have been keeping track of this one
Also, how can people still be surprised about this when Konami lost their mind and put all their pachinko balls into one basket, so to speak?
715e30 No.16021925
>>16017279
>The cancellation of Silent Hills is representative of the death of video games as an art form
No, that would be the copy/paste nature of video game mass production and the lack of original ideas. Having ultra realistic 12k photo realistic graphics and a completely orchestrated soundtrack sung by an angelic quire means jack squat when your game plays like an absolute SHIT walking simulator.
c5aa1a No.16021928
>>16021854
Thank the kikes
4bacff No.16021960
>>16017827
The vast majority of horror games involved ways to defend yourself. Amnesia became the poster child of the modern horror style of having to hide in lockers to avoid a monster. The PS1/PS2 era of horror is entirely based around resource management and using your limited ammo to create tension. In terms of modern horror RE1 defined the genre, then RE4 then Amnesia. We're still in Amnesia's influence with Triple A games (SIlent Hills and RE7) taking more influence from it than any other game. RE7 may have broke the mold slightly by adding guns back in and could be the now representative if you don't count the PT inspired walking sims which are just amnesia on a single map.
a79ad2 No.16021961
>>16021960
I hate twitcher cunts like pewdiepie for popularizing this game to all the normalfags and underage children, I just want the old horror games back
6e2644 No.16021968
>>16021960
And even then there were older horror games where there was little to no combat still doing it better when it came to evading the enemy, Clock Tower, Hellnight, Haunted Ground, etc.
6e2644 No.16021970
>>16021961
To be fair, the only thing that PDP did to popularize the games was not because they were simple walking simulators with horror but mostly because he became famous, people followed the trend and picked up whatever resembled the format for face cam and jump scares.
c0b4f7 No.16021971
>>16021888 (checked)
Back around when Kojima left Konami.
a79ad2 No.16021981
>>16021971
I thought somebody else picked up the pieces, real shame
>>16021970
it was never good to begin with, and now we are at the mercy of him and other nobodies on streaming sites to dictate what is "popular", and their army of underage children will follow. Next thing you know, any self respecting publisher is forced to pander to them, maybe add some POZ here and there, no original ideas. Game streaming was a mistake
4bacff No.16021985
>>16021968
Your examples exist but they were niche, not mainstream horror. Survival horror had been the mainstay of the genre until Amnesia took off. From RE1 up to Dead Space. It was all survival horror. Now the genre is gone unless you include The Evil Within every few years which everyone forgets within a week, while outlast, RE7 and Soma are all over the place.
Haunting grounds doesn't lack combat. Your dog is the combat option.
760b5b No.16022001
>>16020929
Except the people who made Downpour. And Shattered Memories. And Book of Memories.
4bacff No.16022002
>>16021981
If you read about the game you will find there are no piece to pick up. They made 1 demo and then a non-sense trailer which doesn't match up at all. Kojima had no idea what to do with a horror game and flailed around like a headless chicken. The demo was more of a tech demo and when it came to putting in the work to make a whole game they had no where to go.
6e2644 No.16022020
>>16021985
Yes, I mentioned little to no combat.
6e2644 No.16022023
ea3f2f No.16022026
>>16020867
>final push
Oh god, it's the great leap forward all over again
51c261 No.16022045
>>16017279
>the death of video games as an art form
Wait, did something happen to Vanillaware that I don't know about?
4bacff No.16022061
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16022045
>Anime is art
Lol, no. Commercial drivel aimed at man children.
Video explains why games are not and will never be art. It applies to anime as well.
8b64c2 No.16022162
>>16017382
>Death Stranding
What happened to that FedEx walking simulator?
3bc20b No.16022163
>>16022061
Why would video games and anime want to be considered art? Besides the fact that those who love them already think they are…
Look at what the "art world" has become. It's soulless at worst, and a money laundering scheme at best. Even the worst deviantart user puts out better pieces of art than whatever modern/post-modern human trash does.
I will say this. There are far fewer games that could be considered art these days, thanks to the AAA companies and the agenda driven marxist ideologues (the latter of whom infest the "Art world" to the brim).
28cb1b No.16022188
So this is the power of nu-/v/?
6e2644 No.16022195
>>16022162
Apparently some people who saw the first minutes of currently finished gameplay were "impressed" according to YongYea, but then again I think if there is something wrong with him is his love for Kojima, even if Death Stranding flops he won't admit it.
1e79e2 No.16022221
Anyone who says games can't be art hasn't played Okami, Rez, Cuphead or Metal Slug.
9f1145 No.16022235
>>16022221
>>16022221
They've never played Quake 3 Arena, Cave Story, DoDonPachi, Resident Evil 4, or Yoshi's Island either.
I fucking hate this "cinematic = art" meme. Games have artistic merit by virtue of being GOOD FUCKING GAMES.
4eca96 No.16022316
>>16022195
> even if Death Stranding flops
I remember it took him a month to admit that MGS V wasn't as good as he initially claimed it was. He made excuses until his hype started to die down.
Stopped listening to him then and there.
1e79e2 No.16022345
>>16022235
That is also true, but graphics are the quickiest way to shut up simpletons who can't enjoy good things.
3185d6 No.16022708
>>16017737
Crysis never looked good. It always looked like just some generic boring run of the mill military fps game. It was only exactly as entertaining to watch as watching paint dry.
918d55 No.16023344
>>16022045
Nope, doesn't appear that they have figured out how to draw good pixel art or make a good action game yet.
0da391 No.16023391
>>16022708
t. someone who didn't play it around release
ca0119 No.16023400
>>16017279
Don't know if it's been said in this thread but: Silent Hills is to Death Stranding as Ground Zeroes is to The Phantom Pain
e3cba6 No.16023408
>>16017432
>>death of videogames as an art form
>This is the kind of mentality that gave us the load of bullshit we have today. If faggots that had failed at being anyone of worth in other industries hadn't come to videogames we would still have the non-serious take on vidya that was all about fun and entertainment, because videogames are fucking games.
Came here to post this, but you beat me to it. We can only wish the concept of games as art fails and dies, driving leftists away from it.
e1c40e No.16023414
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16022195
>according to YongYea
>spic-asian mutt
>opinions in any way relevant
fe8e70 No.16023443
>>16017279
P.T. was a first-person hallway simulator with jumpscares, so nothing of value was really lost.
ca0119 No.16023446
>a carefully crafted piece of work done with love and care can't be considered art
>because leftists have an even more narrow scope on what exactly "art" is than me
e1c40e No.16023448
>>16023446
>>because leftists have an even more narrow scope on what exactly "art"
If it doesn't resist drumpf it's not art.
4bacff No.16023459
>>16023446
It's not considered art because actual art is beyond a game's scope. You can't create art and left everyone else play with that art how they see fit.
To put it in simple terms. Can a colouring book be art? That's what games are. Colouring books. They give you an outline and then you play within those lines until you complete the picture they want. If anything it's less than a colouring book because games don't allow you to go outside the lines (mods excused here)
2c75e9 No.16023463
ca0119 No.16023475
>>16023459
This is the most autistic thing I've ever read about postmodernism and your grasp on media is conceptually bankrupt
4bacff No.16023483
>>16023475
What a great response.
Scroll up and find the GDC video on why games aren't art. You might learn something.
ca0119 No.16023491
>>16023483
>you can't let people play with art or it's not art
>coloring books aren't art because I said so
consider suicide
bf4913 No.16023495
>>16023459
>You can't create art and left everyone else play with that art how they see fit.
>t. knows nothing about art
4bacff No.16023518
>>16023491
>>16023495
Do we have a same fag brigade? I linked a 1 hour video explaining why games aren't art and cannot be art. You're using modernist definitions of art because it suits you and your lack of intelligence.
Any commercial medium is never going to be art. You cannot make mass appeal art, you can make nice looking things but that's not what art is. Art has depth, not just a pretty picture
ca0119 No.16023528
>>16023518
>you guys should adapt your worldview to suit this video
>that's why come I can pretend I know anything about art
instead of pretending to know what you're talking about and hiding behind the skirt of some autistic youtube video why don't you take 40 minutes of your life to go read about art so you can understand how autistic you are
bf4913 No.16023535
>>16023518
>Any commercial medium is never going to be art.
and I repeat, you know nothing about art.
3c135d No.16023549
>>16017279
>wahh AAA gaming is shit, video games are over
Find a noose that can hold your colossal ass and dive into it headfirst.
05fd7e No.16023830
>>16017279
Death Stranding will be better than Silent Hills ever would have been, even with a legend like Junji Ito onboard.
6e2644 No.16024574
>>16022316
I watch his content with caution but never touch his info dumps on Death Stranding, even when he admitted MGSV was not as good it didn't even sound like that to me, it still sounds like praise.
6f702f No.16025561
>>16018542
It's clearly some kind of agenda. Why don't you get off your ass and find the source and the reason.
88f6dd No.16025656
The cancellation of Silent Hill represents nothing beyond the absolutely retarded corporate culture of Konami. They hated Kojima, they hate games and this is the result.
e1c40e No.16025672
>>16025656
>they hated him so much they made him VP
okay.
584259 No.16025763
>>16017279
>video games as an art form
THAT WAS YOUR FIRST FUCKING MISTAKE YOU STUPID NIGGER. MARRYING THE FUCKING TAG OF "ART FORM" AND "ART" TO VIDEO GAMES WAS WHAT ALLOWED VIDYA TO GO DEEP INTO THE SHITHOLE
Countless games horribly programmed, walking simulators justified as "artful presentation" when it's just lazy devs barely able to properly code the movement cycle. pretentious and pozz messages left and right. This shit must stop
d3e837 No.16025815
>>16025763
Someone get's it. The attempt to seek validation to try to prove that video games "truly are art!" is what ruined everything.
8a7eb2 No.16025844
>>16017279
>Silent Hills got ruined by ebil Konami
<Kojimbo owned a big portion of Konami and had his own dev team
Did Kojimbo kill his own game?
d15acb No.16025859
>>16025844
yes, he did all because he wants to go full indie
4bec98 No.16027728
>>16021660
Videogames will never be art, deal with it.
31badf No.16027891
>>16017284
This. Silent Hills didn't do anything revolutionary from the demo and it looked like the game director was dick riding Norman Reedus way too hard. Nothing of value was lost with this project.
f0243b No.16027902
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>art
cc4b77 No.16027919
Anything Kojimbo or Gayermo Del Torah touches turns to shit. If you had an ounce of hype for this then you're underage.
1c4f6a No.16027920
>>16025672
>implying Kojima wasnt sabotaged left and right by Konami
e1c40e No.16027927
>>16027920
>literal fanfiction to justify maestro blowing half a decade and tens of millions of dollars
0.01$ has been deposited to your account, coutresy of Kojima Productions
cc4b77 No.16028088
>>16027920
Konami are jewish in their own right, but I don't think that giving Kojima $80 million only for him to blow it off is "sabotage".
1c4f6a No.16028089
>>16027927
>implying his games were not commercially succesful despite having a long dev cycle
e1c40e No.16028099
>>16028089
Well, retards ate TPP right up, even blamed konami for it, because
<le kojima is le god xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD he can do no wrong!
d7ecd9 No.16028153
>>16025656
Do you do this because you are in love with Kojima or does somebody pay you to do it?
1c4f6a No.16028189
>>16028099
TPP sold well, though. The fuck are you on about?
>>16028153
I like his games, and I have no particular love for PachinKonami. I'm still butthurt about the Silent Hill collection and basically how the entire series was handled after the 4th game. I BET THAT WAS KOJIMA'S FAULT, TOO, HUH?
d7ecd9 No.16028601
>>16028189
>I BET THAT WAS KOJIMA'S FAULT, TOO, HUH?
Yeah, Duke Nukem Forever was pretty shit too, guess that means Kojima is perfect.
ce64ca No.16032915
>>16028601
>>16028189
Why can't it be both their fault for silent hills? They can both share the blame.
e7975c No.16033144
>>16022061
As opposed to "art", which is commercial drivel aimed at hipsters and the wealthy. Designed only for mental masturbation on the part of the owner and greater profit on the part of the (((dealer)))
aa693f No.16033267
>>16021660
>Castlevania and Super Metroid isn't vidya gaems
72076f No.16035344
>>16017558
>symbology
It's symbolism.
b4aad1 No.16037987
>>16017279
This wouldn't have happened if he'd deferred financial and management decisions to more competent people. Instead he held on to every responsibility like a control freak and incompetently drove his studio time and time again far over budget, overtime and over deadline. At least half of the blame must be on his massive ego.
e1c40e No.16037997
>>16037987
It's hilarious how TPP was delayed twice pissing off the fans, and now the fans wish it was delayed yet again.
9af4a4 No.16038000
03be0a No.16038011
>>16017279
no shit retard
>>16017283
>implying the industry isn't 100% fucked with no hope outside of a crash of things ever being restored to something resembling its previous non-jewish state
back to reddit
7a0b6c No.16039527
>>16017279
How new are you? This already happened forever ago when Konami raped team silent after the 4th game