5bda45 No.15991988
We have threads about annoying enemies in games but what about annoying mechanics, parts of the game that are so fucking infuriating that it would be better for them not to be there. Can be both gimmicks and entire segments of games.
For me SMT: Stranges Journey had those bloody fucking dark rooms which were incredibly annoying to deal with, yeah you could see through them but with an item that you get later on, and you spend a good around of time just fumbling around in the fucking dungeons crashing at walls and getting into annoying random encounters only to realize that you've missed one exit and now HAVE TO GO BACK.
714eb3 No.15991992
is this worth playing or is it just 50 hours of grinding and random encounters?
5bda45 No.15992000
>>15991992
It's worth playing, there's really not that much grind, only the dark rooms are fucking annoying.
70a766 No.15992097
>For me SMT: Stranges Journey had those bloody fucking dark rooms which were incredibly annoying to deal with
Have you played the original mainline games?
5bda45 No.15992117
>>15992097
Not yet, I started with Strange Journey and Nocturne.
d36084 No.15992132
headshots in multiplayer pvp games
33c5f8 No.15992141
Not sure I hated the walking forward and not even seeing a enemy in a room and bam, you go into battle. WTF?
e12316 No.15992157
>>15991988
The dark rooms in Serious Sam 3 are absolute ass. Same goes for the puzzles. It's incredible how the developer that went on to make The Talos Principle was able to incorporate such unfun and pacing destroying puzzles into SS3. Since I'm on about that game anyway, I'll bring up the technopolyps, more readily known as "the fucking annoying helicopter with tentacles." They're not even difficult enemies to deal with, just overly tedious. They combine the bullshit of hitscan in an FPS that stresses not abusing cover with the tedium of hitting an enemy that is immune to bullet damage with slow travelling rockets while said enemy is permanently in the air and is most often stationary when it is shooting and thus you should not be in line of sight.
These annoyances are more general:
>level requirements to use weapons
>multiplayer games with locked weapons
>multiplayer games with matchmakers
>" " with competetive modes
>" " with ranks and seasons
>unnecessary stealth systems
d21154 No.15992166
>>15991988
Turn-based RPG/JRPG's where if your party leader dies it's game over even though your teammates are still alive.
d7fa19 No.15992171
>>15991988
My repressed memories remember all those fucking conveyor belts and teleport mazes in Strange Journey. Oh fucking god, did I ever fucking hate those.
I think SMT1 and SMT2 were far worse when it came to dark rooms, but can't recall. It's been years since I forced myself to play through those three games.
73678a No.15992188
Shared skill trees between multiple party members. Makes characters lose their individuality if they can get the same abilities across each other by going into other party members skill tree. Also, not really a mechanic, but I hate when games tie trophies to online only, when there is a possibility that those serves will be gone in the near future.
158c4c No.15992226
too much of anything, almost every game i play gives the player way too much items and weapons to get through the game on higher difficulties, and the higerdifficulties end up making everything a damagesponge. also in stealth games how there is only 1 way to play and anyother playstyle fucks you over
d01108 No.15992231
For RPGs, food mechanics. It's always a sign of tedious micromanagement. The only exception was in Might & Magic 6 where food was a currency used to travel between areas instead of a starvation countdown.
53152f No.15992266
>>15992166
Even worse when the AI is programmed to go straight for the lead character even when there's squishier targets available.
75e0c1 No.15992338
Exploring planets with the Mako in the first ME got boring and irritating real fast.
Not so much because of the Mako itself, but for the fact every planet was barren, dull, and overall ugly as shit, and when you found the shitty bases you were supposed to attack you soon realize it was just three or four templates with slight variations. Not to mention "I WILL DESTROY YOU" "ENEMIES EVERYWHERE"
The story missions involving the Mako were pretty fun though.
19e8ae No.15992610
>>15991988
Don't play the portable SMT games, unless you've already beaten all the PS2 ones. They are inferior in everything and several are just memegames for retrokids.
7e1761 No.15992686
>>15991988
>killable women
All these new games pander to the male fantasy of stabbing women in the neck with a shovel.
The only reason they added women to bf V is so that men could slaughter them and kill them.
They really nailed the feel as well. Nothing beats mowing down a squad of female soldiers in Battlefield V™ with your trusty MG3… Hearing them scream for help and medic as they bite the bullet and slowly bleed to death…
They have made it extremely pleasing and fun, but it's not even realistic or historically accurate. The only reason these savages added women to BFV is, because they wanted to slaughter them and live out their gross fantasies of stabbing women and beating them down.
56c0a3 No.15993100
>>15991988
Short-lived buffs.
Double-tap controls.
Replacing cutscenes with segments where people are talking and you're still technically in control but all you can do is look around and move in a confined space. Even worse if you're required to manually move forward to progress the dialogue, and worse still if your movement speed is faster than the NPCs' movement speed so you have to constantly start and stop. Whoever thought this was a better idea than cutscenes that can have interesting things happening and that people can skip if they want to was a fucking idiot.
>>15992266
It's worse than that if your PC themselves is squishy, as mine usually are, because I prefer to play spellcasters.
8b1ed7 No.15993110
Fishing in any game ever.
7883ed No.15996916
>>15992686
>"Ultimately we added women in Battlefield V because my son would ask me: 'Dad, why can't i slaughter whores in this game? I do it in Fortnite all the time!'. I just couldn't bear denying him that fun."
4534ff No.15996937
Hi, I'm here to turn your 9/10 game into a 0/10!
01bdff No.15996969
>>15993110
this, 9/10 it's bad and completely unenjoyable and the other 1/10 times it's still just a dumb minigame and lull in the game
9d915b No.15997001
>>15992117
>he hasn't had to deal with dark rooms featuring teleporter mazes and forced spin tiles
Fucking pleb.
7a1a17 No.15997022
53b09c No.15997087
>>15991988
Really aggressive Input buffering, so fucking gay
>>15993100
double tap is good
343d2b No.15997119
>>15991988
Weighted ammunition; be it bullets or arrows, it just seems like a chore to carefully have enough of them as to not over burden yourself.
45f5a2 No.15997159
>game centered around melee has an attack that doesn't hit exactly where your crosshair is
It's perfectly fine to have it hit other areas as well but if I'm slashing something it ought to atleast hit where I'm fucking aiming. Probably the only complaint I have about Dark Messiah.
1f023e No.15997173
>>15993100
>Short-lived buffs.
This depends, really. If it's a buff you manually cast that only lasts like 5 minutes for +100 defense or whatever then yeah that's stupid but if it's one of those overly specific "next 5 seconds after a critical hit increases attack speed" type things then it's fine. Really, manual buffs in general tend to be uninteresting crap unless there's some resource management or radius trickery involved.
e0d961 No.15997186
>turn-based JRPG's with many party members to choose from for creative combinations
>3 slots for the party, forced to use the protagonist at all times so only 2 remain
>end up building everything around your main guy because they're always there and by far the strongest
>all variety is thrown out the window because you have two other members that work best with him and everything else is subpar
52819e No.15997384
>>15997173
>the stupid example is fine
>the ok example is stupid
Did you read anything you posted?
a23b82 No.15997511
>Stealth games have one linear route to proceed
>Stealth games have enemy that auto detects you in radius
>Stealth games have enemy that auto detects you in radius and auto-tracks you globally
>Stealth games have dogs
>I hate dogs in stealth games
Pic related is me in Splinter Cell blacklist
52c378 No.15997582
>set mine, tripwire explosive, or toss a grenade
>enemy is killed or injured
>every enemy knows your exact position immediately
523005 No.15997615
>>15997186
>Have a good team
>Without warning the game takes party members away
>And takes the shit you put on them
>Have to use the characters you don't even like with worse gear
da018c No.15997619
>>15997511
Hotline miami had a real knack for making hate dogs too.
063c5c No.15997655
>Insta-kill moves and spells in RPGs
Rarely works when YOU use it…expect the enemies having a better hitrate with it than you
>Self-destructing enemies upon kills
In RPGs, that usually meant FUCK YOU, NO XP. In anything else, cheap deaths ahoy.
>Law system where the laws only affects you
For example, you're fighting an enemy that's weak to fire? Forbidden: Fire. Or my personal bane of existence? Forbidden: Missing, against an enemy with high evasion stat PLUS the only way to complete the mission is to obey the Law. Plus if you break the Law, you can't revive fallen party members.
7ae3c0 No.15997684
reverse overheads and other flailing bullshit in chivalry.
0cbc13 No.15997688
>RNG within RNG
>Enemies that can drain your level
>Secrets and side missions that you have no way of knowing without looking up a guide
063c5c No.15997751
>>15997699
That's the one..
a555b1 No.15997787
>>15997186
Stella Glow suffered from this, and by the time the protagonist is remotely useful you're near the endgame.
Fuck Alto.
84318c No.15997797
>>15997787
>Stella Glow suffered from this, and by the time the protagonist is remotely useful you're near the endgame.
Stella Glow's problem wasn't Alto, it was that the witches were fucking super units and any team that didn't use every single witch was purposefully gimping itself.
Stella Glow witches were technically not required, just practically required.
0300fc No.15997816
>>15997655
FFXI gave you xp when goblins praised allah.
>>15997384
Persistent buffs are retarded because they may as well be passives. Short term buffs require timing.
5bd8eb No.15997820
>>15997087
>double tap is good
>oops I lept off a cliff because the window to double tap dodge is over half a second wide
Its moronic and in most cases ruins the flow of movement, making it feel tedious and obtrusive to the experience.
859946 No.15997825
>>15997511
>Game has a clear "stealth path" and "loud path"
5bd8eb No.15997831
>>15997825
>stealth path is actually fun and more challenging than loud path
>its the least rewarding
f7d6f0 No.15997834
>>15997825
>you can use both for extra XP
Fuck Human Revolution
b2bcf7 No.15997835
>>15991988
offering no incentive to backtrack other than to get the item you didn't get or boss you didn't kill, so you're just boredly walking around killing enemies occasionally looking at your map to make sure you're going the right way
5cc25a No.15997843
>Items that have drop rates under 1%
There is no fucking excuse for this in a single player game. If you want to make an item difficult to get, make it difficult to get. Don't make me fight the same goddamn enemy over and over again for fucking weeks.
3053a0 No.15997853
>>15997797
Rusty's dagger spread attack can oneshot a lot of the basic enemies in endgame and Nonoka's ailment+ skill is completely gamebreaking. Alto is really one of the least useful units which makes him being required a lot more annoying.
faeaf2 No.15997890
>>15991992
I'd say it's worth playing just for the style and atmosphere. The setting alone is amazing. It's also crazy long.
I played around half of it until the absolutely asinine parts kick in, and I don't regret a second of it.
d3310b No.15997915
>>15997843
>balance patches in a single player game
>balance patches that make things harder in a single player game
ad6e50 No.15997957
>>15996969
Forced fishing minigames that you have to complete in order to progress are terrible. Optional and avoidable fishing minigames are fine.
39f907 No.15997979
>stick waggling QTE
>shitty PC port turns stick waggling QTE into impossible button smash requiring the speed of Hermes to pull off
54e7de No.15998027
>>15997979
>any quicktime event
169565 No.15998066
>>15991988
>"I require six wolf teeth and 2 goblin ears!"
>need to murder nearly a hundred wolves to get only 6 teeth
>need to murder nearly a thousand goblins to get two ears
How do wolves chew their food???
4e646c No.15998119
Games where you can set skills with no restrictions in-between battles at no cost and the game relies HEAVILY on your active skill set but there's no way to fit in every skill you might need and no way to change your skill set in battles, leading to 90% of the difficulty from the first attempt against a boss being guess-work where you have a 50% chance of getting a turn 2 party wipe or absolutely curbstomping the boss.
I mean would it be thatgame breaking to put in a special command which costs 1.5+ turn icons to let you change your active skillset? By the time you get to the really difficult battles the game has been reduced to vanity+ragnarok+suku/dekaja and dekunda, so it would only have an impact on story fights anyway.
7ee622 No.15998123
>>15998066
>How do wolves chew their food???
Very carefully :^)
00d358 No.15998132
>>15991988
>Stealthing relies on finding disguises
>Even if you're disguised, everyone can still detect you almost instantly from like 20 feet away
f798ae No.15998136
single use items that you have to pay real money for
no excuse for something like this
f798ae No.15998142
>>15992686
I'm sorry, did you just assume xer's gender? Do you know what year it is, should I remind you?
c1f4ad No.15998155
Backtracking. Fucking hell do I hate backtracking. Not necessarily in and of itself, but the way it's often implemented. If you are going to make me take the time to go back to a previous area in a game, the thing I do when I get there shouldn't take less time than the damn trek to get to the place. Give me enough new content to make it worth my time.
f798ae No.15998159
>>15998155
backtracking should only happen in games if it is an open world game, where the game world isn't static and has different, random events, or if the level introduces new enemies, a harder challenge than before or the game gave you a new power up that lets you access a previously inaccessible area. Otherwise, it's bad game design imho
18420f No.15998173
>>15992686
inb4 the next Battlefield game will have unkillable playable women to avoid this glaring issue :^)
2dfdda No.15998178
>Ys: Memories of Celceta
>You get the ability to warp from heal points really early into the game, after the first boss 20 minutes in.
>You can only warp by interacting at the heal points
>You can only warp to other heal points of the same shape and color
>Aka if I want to go to comodo village where I can get accessories I have to warp from a yellow warp stone at the entrance of the main town(which you should revisit since map completion gives some rewards here) to the last yellow warp stone in the beast plains, then walk 10 seconds to a cyan warp stone in the forest of dawn and then walk a minute down to the crater for a green warp stone, and then finally warp to the village.
>there are four villages
>Two of which are of an entirely different shape so getting to them and back is a bigger pain in the ass
>In a game where there are missable sidequests in just about every village
18420f No.15998186
>When the game has some degree of making your own decisions but ultimately you don't really have any effect the soryline and NPCs don't really recognize what you've done
18420f No.15998189
>>15998178
That sounds incredibly autistic
f798ae No.15998191
>>15998189
most jrpgs are incredibly autistic. unlike the western game market, a lot of them are still spergs making game for other spergs, like it should be
29eb5e No.15998194
When stealth games don't give you statistics about your performance until the end, so you have no way to know if the game actually registered an accidental kill during a non-lethal run or if some guy spotting you for a split second counted as a full alert, spoiling an entire playthrough for you
53152f No.15998196
>>15998178
I quite like this idea. Not so much warp points but a matter of certain travel routes being restricted to certain locations that can facilitate them. A bit like how Morrowind had boats that could take you to ports, then from there you'd get a Strider to another town because there's no direct Strider connection from the first port. Fast travel should always have some snag like that.
ff9caf No.15998201
Megaman Starforce 3 has a retarded mechanic where up to 5 out of the 6 cards in your hand randomly become unusable.
c41ca6 No.15998374
>character customisation
>lots of apparel options
>it is all totally inconsequential
0a4c86 No.15998401
Level up systems, not necessarily for existing but their frequent pointless appearances in games. Especially Japanese ones.
>>15991988
For a minute I read "annoying merchants in games".
c965a1 No.15998457
>>15997831
>stealth is by far the most rewarding thing in the game
>not because you get to listen in on conversations, get access to areas you otherwise wouldn't get to, have different outcomes in encounters or ever get the thrill that comes with close calls since none of those things ever happen
>at best you get a single extra line during a conversation
>you just get a free experience bonus for simply existing inside of a vent
>and another experience bonus for leaving the area without killing anyone
>along with an additional experience bonus for not being detected
>lethal and non-lethal takedowns are also affected
>lethal is more interesting but is so fucking loud that it alerts the whole map
>it also gives you less experience
>not just the fact that you can't get half of the completion bonuses but it just outright gives you less experience
>it also still drains your resources and you are only ever incentivised to do takedowns in stealth
063c5c No.15998494
>Can't use items in the boss room.
Sure, Ys 1 is a cake walk….until the final boss.
e199d5 No.15998508
>Ability/Weapon/Spell/item/whatever is pointless to use against normal enemies, as its much faster and more efficient to kill them in literally any other way
>Doesnt work against bosses, the one place that mechanic would actually be useful
50c41c No.15998522
>>15998203
Exactly what I said, the only way to use those cards is to either wait for them to randomly become usable or convert them into a shitty support card.
8b70db No.15998777
Permaloss of items in a single player game. Dark Cloud, you literally ruined my childhood. Dark Cloud 2, you were actually kinda good. You get a pass.
Multiplayer games that encourage (or, rather, don't discourage) zerging. Yes, this is most of them. No, I don't really play multiplayer games unless it's 1v1 type gameplay. WvWvW in Guild Wars 2, DAoC, Eve Online and web-repairers, the list goes on.
d93ea9 No.15998967
>>15991988
>picks up gun that is the same with the one in your inventory
>gun disappears and only receives ammo
>game has also grid based inventory system
Why?
8ed7ce No.15998979
>>15998825
>organising my diaper drawers
cb997d No.15998989
7e078b No.15999060
>>15997979
>stick waggling QTE
>stick waggling to escape enemy grab
Fuck the people who think this is OK to put into a video game.
99d577 No.15999099
>>15998828
fucking fuckity FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
326570 No.15999133
RNG leveling up stats
RNG fusion overwrite of skills/not picking your skills
random enemy encounter
backtracking with random enemy encounter because of trial and error trap (all these SJ)
slow character movement with long hallways and large rooms, followed by forced backtracking (SotN)
Skinner's Box RNG loot instead of currency system (WoW)
Lootboxes (Overwatch, EA games)
unskippable cutscenes
no option to read previous dialogue if you press next or A by accident, or if you wish to re-read. Paper Mario did an excellent job having this option and other rpgs never copied this feature
Overstaying the welcome of Puzzles/Mechanics/gimmicks and valueing this over main gameplay combat (CrossCode)
"You wish to go there hero? sure, but first do this shitty quest with nothing to do with the story and backtrack here to do it". Fedex quests in RPGs in general are shit
Reputation grinding of any sort (New Vegas, MMOs) is a shitty system to add playtime and encourage grinding
Headshot, no extra damage taken (New Vegas)
Weapon Breaking (BOTW) stupid mechanic
FORCED mascots to pander to women, children and "haha so cute xD" and sell merchandise (Tales of abyss,etc)
The illusion of choice, when your choices don't matter (DA2, any bioware game recently)
The dungeon treasure is used within its dungeon and NEVER AGAIN or rarely ever in the game (Twilight Princess)
Game encourages you to NOT play the game, just do your weekly gear. (FF:IV, WoW, any theme-park MMO)
Can't walk away from talking to an NPC that sounds boring or not important. Chrono Trigger did this and more RPGs should do it. Sometimes I just don't give a shit and wish to continue playing.
Overforgiving platforming removing all challenge (Hat in Time with its 4 midair jumps), but hey! its so cute XD omg game of the year
Retarded party members (KH), Retarded party members that you cannot control (P3)
Pairing up units in nu-fire emblem. Horrible shit mechanic that turned the meta from "who should i train next and send to fight" to "who should i pair with who to max their relationship?" "oh this unit needs xp, whatever just pair him with OP unit and grind in free-DLC map". Nu-fire emblem in general is garbage but holy fuck pairing should've never been a thing
Enemies self-destruct and you get no XP out of it, even though you took the damage and survived (Pokemon)
Boring long animations for attacks without the option to skip animations or turn animations off in RPGs. This is what makes SRW a stale and barebones experience withouts its flashy animations. At least in project x-zone you actually do gameplay and punch the enemy.
shoe-horned forced motion/touch control mechanics because your publisher forced you to use your hardware (Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario Color Splash)
5bda45 No.15999160
>>15998191
Those rooms look incredibly comfy when they are kept clean.
792fed No.15999163
>>15998828
The new jojo arc is looking good
54e7de No.15999220
>>15998828
they filled up all of their affirmative action requirments with one peson, smart.
bf6fc1 No.15999450
>>15992202
>gets an ancient battle axe+
>breaks a ++ by throwing it like a retard
BOTW is shit but not because of the durability system.
144c0e No.16000249
>>15999133
Dude, you can skip animations in SRW. Unless you're playing like SRW 3 or something.
1f023e No.16000259
>>15999133
>Skinner's Box RNG loot instead of currency system (WoW)
You haven't touched the game in nearly a decade I take it.
cbe800 No.16000399
>>15997186
It's even worse when the protagonist is useless, trust me.
>valkyrie profile 2
>alicia deals less damage than any other light warrior, only gains useful attacks at level 40, and they all require the enemy to be standing up for her first attack (a blow to the neck) and then lying on the ground so you can hit him three times with a miniature tornado then lift him with a sword uppercut
>no offensive spells despite having a magic knight stat spread probably because she fuses with three other girls at the end and she does have use for magic, the skill psychosoma (uses both ATK and MAG for all attacks) can somewhat fix this, but it's expensive and needs rare materials to be learned
>her support spells are wholly inferior to any mage or archer in the game
>no exclusive equipment or attacks until you clear the bonus dungeon twice, and even then it's a shitty weak sword (your strongest light sword should have something between 800 and 1200 ATK, this thing has 20 ATK and a skill that you probably already learned) and a shitty leaping attack that doesn't fit with the rest of her moveset
>if you decide to ignore her entirely you're gonna have a hard time once the game decides to take away all your party members and pit alicia against odin thankfully a yandere mage saves your ass once you whittle down half his HP
I'd rather have an overpowered marty stu who only needs a strong sword to murder shit so i can focus entirely on the mandatory loli healer and the second cutest girl in the game.
e6ad0e No.16000514
>>15998494
Bosses arbitralily having 10 times more health if your level's not high enough was also annoying.
5537dd No.16000953
>>15997582
REEEEEEEE
in a similar vein:
>enemy patrol
>run up to him
>turns and spots you in the .2 of a second before you take him down
>doesnt have the chance to fire or raise an alarm
>whoops, youre still spotted, now every enemy in a 200ft radius know exactly where you are
74016b No.16001064
>>15991988
Inconsistent save points or points of no return
BUT it's of course more complicated.
First point:
I have absolutely no problem for a game to have just a few autosave points if at all, but having 10 saves in the first 1h of the game and then about 2-3 in the rest 4-6h of game is kinda shit. My point is that if I want to play a game that punishes death by reset, maybe tell that to me before I have spent all my points to "Spirit", just to see what it does? It does fucking nothing.
Second point:
Oh boy,
Points of no return
Those are absolutely glorious fucking meta-traps. Most modern games ask you three times before continuing, sometimes hilariously overdoing it by breaking the fourth wall just to make shit absolutely clear: "You cannot go back to the previous areas if you choose "I want to end myself right now". Please confirm by clapping and shouting "Fuck everything". Thank you."
And some games just play a cutscene, that comes literally out of no where, and say: "Ooh, too bad buddy, better play the game again to get all the secrets." Loading next level now, and btw, single save, fuck you.
c16926 No.16001093
>Diablo-style ARPG
>Numerical keybinds just toggle what ability you're using, you have to right-click to actually use them
>This can't be changed to press number key = use ability
c01888 No.16001140
I genuinely cannot stand the panic mechanic. Watching someone get freaked out that his friend got shot and proceed to throw a grenade at said friend makes something in my head snap. It makes me violently hate my own soldiers, and it doesn't help that the game forces you to listen to their obnoxious whining every time it occurs.
ae7a6d No.16001161
Morality systems
point-based morality meter
>disproportionate values attached to different actions
>murder gets you -20 points but petting the local dog gets you +1
>you can murder a dozen people and you're still the town darling because you petted the dog 8,500 times
Disconnect between how the main character is presented vs how you can/are encouraged to play them. Best example that comes to mind is watch dogs 2
>marcus and the rest of deadsec are presented unambiguously as the good guys
>every one of your various hacker powers are designed to hurt large numbers of people
>there's a mission to stop a swatter because swatting is vile and wrong
>swatting is one of your best hacker super powers
Morality systems written by people with questionable morals. TOR had this issue
>final mission for the jedi consular on tattoine
>discover the bad guys have been using an ancient sith technique to make dark side super soldiers out of sand people
>3 choices when mission is complete are to turn the knowledge over to the jedi council to be studied, destroy the knowledge, or use it yourself for your own dark side super soldiers
>giving the information you gather to the jedi council for study is a dark side choice
>the only light side choice is book burning and ignorance
832f4a No.16001166
>>16001161
>point-based morality meter
What if you had say, 8 or so different meters? One for resolve vs compromise, or like emotion vs logic, that sort of thing
ae7a6d No.16001168
>>16001166
Could be interesting, but I have no faith any developer could pull it off without fucking it up somehow. Nice digits, by the way.
511da8 No.16001169
>>15998374
At least it beats
>tons of armor options
>the only way to not gimp yourself is to wear a mishmash of 7 different sets
f42cf3 No.16001201
>>16001140
This. Firaxis is shit.
>Original uses panic as a punishment for making bad decisions that results in you losing multiple soldiers or high ranking soldiers
>Reboot uses panic as a punishment for playing the game as intended
51fd44 No.16001219
>>16001201
Either panic system is shit with Firaxis because of hidden RNG values which the UI doesn't reflect to the player.
edcd37 No.16001232
>>16001166
You just described ultima's morality system. I think in the 5th one they take it to it's logical extreme where the bad guy enforces it with an iron first.
1f023e No.16001757
>>16001232
Ultima has less a morality system and more just really obscure stats you have to level up in tedious ways. It's not like actively being evil really changes anything.
336d94 No.16001777
>>16001201
>>16001219
Their lazy ass movement system is fucking terrible too. The original Time Units system actually made sense, but the new system has taking a one-tile step forward and then another one-tile step forward take the same amount of "time" as running across a field and firing an aimed shot.
a23b82 No.16001999
>>16001201
>Firaxis is shit
Can confirm, went to a talk by their head developer once and they confirmed they make their AI (mostly in reference to Civ games) cheat because they're lazy and it'd be haaaaard to make good AI.
705318 No.16002162
>>15991988
Brutal Legend and the infuriating RTS shit.
705318 No.16002175
>>15998828
Is this a Cyberpunk 2077 ad?
326570 No.16002193
>>16000259
Do you have brain problems? It's ok if you haven't played the game, but your post reeks of shill defense.
PVP gear: all RNG gained while playing instead of buying with honor for lower ilvl gear. higher ilvl gear limited to RNG piece instead of conquest purchase of choice
PvE: RNG on top of RNG: RNG chance to get your piece like usual, but now RNG chance to make it warforged, titanforged, or with socket
RNG chance to get pets/toys/mounts. So you better farm the same rares every week on warfront patrols and island expeditions
No honor on conquest points, just RNG
no valor points, just RNG box opening every week for M+ cache. You get the same piece? too bad, just open your loot box again next week
1f023e No.16002194
>>16002193
>admitting to playing WoW
1ae622 No.16002242
Games released past the 8 bit era that feature constantly respawning enemies. Unless there's an in universe for explanation for it or it's established as inherently part of the game's mechanics, this shit has no reason to exist.
93d13e No.16002284
>>16002242
>get to end of tutorial dungeon in Oblivion
>stay in hallway protecting Uriel from dawn agents
>room slowly fills with bodies
>game chugging at impressive 1 fps
>run into Uriel trying to get away from frame drops
>forced into dialog
>everyone has a heart attack all at once except Baurus
>nobody else comes to ambush
Most egregious example I can think of. I was curious and entered those doors that they come out of. It's a tiny 3 square foot room. I don't know how they could fit that many people in there.
a1fef2 No.16006885
>Critical hits
>Lose +1 Hour of progress or my coolest dude
619e5b No.16007083
>>16006885
>MY guy critical hits on enemy, killing him
>this opens up space for another enemy to finish off my guy
2f3be7 No.16009568
>>15992188
I thought Xenoblade Chronicles did a decent job of handling this. You could give party members skills from each others' trees, but certain skills cost so many points to set on other characters that they just weren't worth giving to others. It made it so the characters could have interesting builds but also retain their individual defined strengths.
326570 No.16009606
>>16002194
I'm an informed individual, unlike you.
I never stated I play the game.
28f312 No.16009664
>>15991988
>game has tons of items to be picked up and stored as you progress
>same game has a limited capacity inventory system, forcing you to leave items behind
fuck you if you do this
also
>rare/one-of-a-kind consumables
c61c65 No.16011845
In tales of vesperia, on hard difficulty, all the enemies gang up on the player controlled character. It doesn't matter if you are a frontline fighter, mage or healer the enemies always target you. I searched around and apparently it is still a problem in definitive edition.
https://gamefaqs.please use archive.is/boards/241052-tales-of-vesperia-definitive-edition/77383772
2d491f No.16012376
>"hard modes" that just turn enemies into attack sponges and bloats their numbers
>game penalizes you for being too aggressive on what are clearly stated villains who have no redeeming character
1f023e No.16012410
>>16011845
That sounds really easy to manipulate if the game still has the quick commands for party members.
c61c65 No.16013294
>>16012410
I remember that I did beat a boss by running around in circles.
fd5987 No.16013327
fucking around with the saving got to be the most annoying thing in existance
instead of changing the gameplay to be more challenging, game forces you to do this thing in one go or you die and start over
then there are ones that dont even save ever unless you get like really far in the level
its retarded most basic gatekeeping
its even worse when a lot of these are BUGGY PIECES OF SHIT THAT CRASH BEFORE YOU REACH THE SAVE
e0596c No.16018278
Small insect or animal type enemies to fight at lower levels. Even worse when those same small enemies are re-used for higher levels and are just larger modeled damage sponges
a1fcc8 No.16018320
>Game doesn't reward you for doing good
Playing Horizion 4 and I have no reason to gold medal anything in this game. You can just turn off all the assists and crank the AI to max and scrape by in last place and get the most amount of reward.
1f023e No.16018580
>>16018278
>a wolf in notCanada has higher attack power than the elemental god of fire
7f82ed No.16021846
>>15992686
>to the male fantasy of stabbing women in the neck with a shovel.
BAIT?????
6e9a42 No.16021941
>>15992202
I fucking hate durability systems so much.
a23b82 No.16022866
>>16021941
The only swords that break after a few solid hits against something harder than flesh are japanese ones. :^)
1f023e No.16022926
>>16021941
Even in MMOs as a "go back to town, stupid" mechanic it's completely superfluous because of limited inventory and food/water. Hell, most older MMOs didn't even have it at all.
b9b255 No.16022941
Does anybody like Carry Limits, ever? Was there ever a game that had encumberance limits on your Inventory that wasn't annoying as all else?
1f023e No.16022947
>>16022941
The only inventory I ever had fun messing with was RE4's.
c898d7 No.16022966
>>16022866
Reminder that western pigs have to resort to trickery to diminish Japanese accomplishments in making the greatest sword known to man.
742ad3 No.16022979
>>16021941
I fucking hate unique snowflake swords so much. In reality swords were items that wear out in use, that's why hilt and blade are actually separate objects. If you want to implement unique magic sword to a game, a good way could be a magical hilt with exchangeable blades
a23b82 No.16023011
>>16022966
>katana in one picture
>European straight in the next
>trickery
>>16022979
I would be fine with MUH LEGENDARY BLADE if it had to actually perform feats worthy of legend first, like in LOTR lore where iirc a sword basically becomes magical by doing legendary things. Also
>in reality swords were items that wear out
Not after crucible steel was invented
>That's why hilt and blade were separate
No, it's because metal handles aren't as comfortable as wooden ones, even with leather wrapped around both. It's also cheaper and lighter, not to mention FAR EASIER to carve wood into an ergonomic shape than it is metal the same.
a23b82 No.16023027
And by crucible steel I mean proper swords that are hardened into spring steel. Mild steel can still be broken by something harder and stronger like spring steel.
09af46 No.16026614
>>16022979
>I fucking hate unique snowflake swords so much
I fucking hate unique weapons in general because of what they do to the game they are in.
Take Fallout 3\NV\4\Whatever where you can pretty much find a unique version of every weapon that's essentially the same but with a different model and better stats.
Why the fuck would you ever NOT use the unique variant if you can find them easily anyway? And why would you ever switch weapons for something else that's not as effective either? The moment you get a "unique" item, you're pretty much stuck to it because anything else is a downgraded.
In those games, every weapon you find after the unique is either for sell if it's worth something or spare parts for what you have.
If we had no unique weapons, the game could actually take the damn things from your hands and force you to get something else instead. It simply wouldn't matter that your shotgun broke because it's not unique and you can find\buy another one down the road anyway.
There could even be something more interesting with weapons being composed of different parts that they may share with similar weapons, parts that can be broken and replaced individually.
Did you ruined the muzzle of a rifle by over-heating it? Replace it with the muzzle from another gun. Broke the firing chamber? Get another and replace it. Broken blade? Remove it but keep the fancy hilt. Etc.
We could have a more improved repair\crafting mechanic for weapons, we could have actual MacGyver moments jury rigging something on the field, we could be full operator where we must procure supplies and weapons on the field.
Instead what we get is the special snowflake carrier platform in his quest to keep the same guns functioning.
39f907 No.16026690
>>16026614
eh, don't equate the uniques of FO3/4 with New Vegas. Most of FO3/4's "unique" weapons were renamed variants of the base weapons using the exact same model, with a very, very small list of exception. Where as New Vegas had unique variants of every weapon in the game with unique models/textures that were typically hidden in the environment. Some of the unique weapons even had additional features over the original, like the song that plays with the Mysterious Magnum.
Uniques in New Vegas were better only in some respects. You couldn't use weapon mods on a unique weapon, and often fully kitted out base weapons were superior to uniques. Some uniques, like That Gun, had a very small pool of options when it came to repairing weapons. Unique weapons were meant to be rewards for exploration, like finding Knock-Knock in the Camp Searchlight fire station, a location you have no other reason to go to in the middle of radiation town. Uniques in New Vegas are generally not something you just trip over unless you know specifically where they are unlike Deliverer in Fallout 4, which is an early quest reward
Uniques also fit into the games progression system. Don't try implying that all unique weapons are just one step above the highest tier of base weapons in New Vegas. Nelphi's Golf Driver can't even do half the damage of the highest tier weapon in it's category. The unique 9mm pistol Maria does slightly less damage than the base 10mm pistol. And some weapons, like Lil Devil, could only be acquired via purchasing them for insane prices, competing with your need for money for other purposes like augmentation.
f52bbd No.16028331
>lots of quests require you to collect certain drops from various enemies
>the items won't begin to spawn until you have started the quest
even worse:
>can't drop quest items
>quest items have weight
>if you accidentally collect to many of the item you'll be forced to carry them around for the rest of the game
>>16002242
I dropped borderlands because of this. Every time I left that first starting town I had to kill the same 5 dudes over and over again (once when I left and again when I came back). It was so monotonous I completely lost interest in playing.
1f023e No.16028508
>>16028331
Checklist style quests in general are just retarded. If you have to force the player to do errands for your game to work then your game sucks shit, period.
4197f8 No.16028685
>>16001161
I have no fucking idea why games like Mass Effect and InFamous didn't just let you pick good or evil at the start, since you pretty much need to go fully one way or the other or else you suffer penalties. Not to mention doing this lets you work the story out better because you don't have to half-ass everything in case the player only wanted to be evil just that one time.
1f023e No.16028723
>>16028685
Because the whole point is to trick you into thinking the game is deeper than it is.
b63bb9 No.16028839
>>16022966
How did the japs deal with such shit swords? Did they only use them on peasants?
12e253 No.16028863
>>16028839
They dealt with shit swords because everyone had shit sword and no metal armor. Japan is so poor for iron they literally couldn't make nails for building. This lead to some ingenious nail less wood working techniques, but it's laughable compared to Europe or even China.
666f23 No.16028880
>>15998828
We memed to hard.
dd6e7a No.16028890
>>16028685
undertale does this but keeps it secret
1f023e No.16028892
>>16028839
>>16028863
Japanese warfare history was pretty much a 1000 year long hobo phase in any given survival crafting game.
b63bb9 No.16028933
>>16028863
>>16028892
That makes sense. It says a lot if they really are as poor as you say.
619e5b No.16028940
>>16028933
They're on a fucking volcanic island with no natural resources and isolated from the rest of the world. Gotta make do with what you have.
0cf369 No.16028961
>>16028863
>>16028839
What they had was shit iron and pretty much non-existent steel production.
To generalize all their swords as shit is just ignorance and/or your lack of understanding of metallurgy and smithing.
Folded million times meme aside the process does actually allow you to make something usable out of something you'd barely even consider using for iron casting.
Forge welding some of the rare good quality steel they propably bought with other metals to achieve additional properties and combining those in layers to make for an example a sword with a hard edge and a more flexible back is not in any way, shape or form "shit".
12e253 No.16029014
>>16028961
The technique of changing what is garbage into weapons is indeed impressive, but the actual quality if said weapon is garbage no matter how hard you try to justify it. Their sword making techniques are amazing, their swords are not. It's equivalent to thar one guy on youtube who makes useable knives out of underwear/flour/plastic. Cool to watch but a normal knife is just better.