/v/ - Video Games

>>15950462

>Mirror's Edge

Didn't that game get a shit sequel?

>>15950462

What kind of fucking complain is that?

>>15950472

Yes, but the first game is solid.

All FPS gameplay sucks after Doom+clones. I don't know why people even bother.

>why do cars feel the same in every racing sim?

>>15950527

Racing sims are shit, though. Kart games are superior.

>>15950472

what are you talking about? It got only one game and the IP was forgotten in a vault.

>>15950462

But you could see your legs in ME. Granted complaining about not being able to see legs or first person platforming in general is retarded.

Also not really the same thing. ME's approach to movement is very different to what people talk about when they want better movement in shooters.

>>15950512

> It's casualization for mainstream appeal.

No I am not taking that for an answer, the same reason I'm not taking "Dubstep" as a form of music, the same reason I don't understand why keyboard and mouse isn't the norm for consoles. Playing shooters on a joystick is fucking retarded, even more retarded is that the movement in Doom was smoother than todays' pc-console hybrid shooters.

What the hell have those faggot programmers from 2007 or 2009 consoles done that the movement feels like you're dragging a sack of steel after you? Did they add interruptions before and after moving? did the hitbox affect the movement? Why do I have tank/aircraft controls for my organic character?

>>15950650

It's literally because that is what casual retards want since it is all they can handle. That is the answer whether you like it or not.

>>15950512

>TFW hear good things

>Also hear no one's playing it

Sad

>>15950662

But it doesn't make the game any easier, it just makes it shittier.

>>15950650

>that the movement feels like you're dragging a sack of steel after you?

This is what has been bothering me for years now, I don't feel fluid while playing an FPS.

>>15950672

Stiffer movement = have to aim less

Cucksoles and mainstream casualization

>>15950679

If the criticism was about it being slower sure, but I don't see how stiff movements makes aiming easier. Even if you were to insist on the whole "can't sprint and shoot at same time" thing that's still not a reason why you can't have good movement.

It's because game developers in anno domini past pick-any-year-before-2008 don't actually play videogames, so of course they don't know what good FPS movement feels like.

>>15950446

one became a good seller, the others copied.

reducing required player skill also means they can expand their audience 100 times.

why have 100,000 units sold to people who are good at fps, when you can sell to 10,000,000 useless idiots who have no reflexes, skill or desire to put effort in to practise.

it is all about money.

>>15950446

Console ports normalize shit movement, new games copy ports.

FEAR 1 plays well while FEAR 2 plays like shit. FEAR 2 is geared towards console gameplay and it sucks on PC. I don't buy into the idea that FEAR 2 is redeemable like some posts I've seen. It plays awful, it looks bad, and enemy spawn locations are shit. Even decent games like Republic Commando suffer from their console roots. You can tell by looking at a game's HUD, FOV and movement response whether or not it's been adapted for PC. Blacklight Retribution died when they started shipping the PS4 version on PC to cut update times and everyone noticed and hated it.

Even decent movement response will feel bad when a game uses console norms. Headache-inducing bloom+blur visuals with retarded, unnecesary DOF. Bad cover shooting mechanics. Serious Sam 2 mechanically feels fine to me but plays worse because I hate the HUD while SS3 feels better to me despite how much I dislike the way player/environment collision is handled (parkour secrets suck because of how floaty ground collision feels). Game feel is not just movement, it's overall presentation.

Also of note is that people almost exclusively subject themselves to online FPS now and a bad connection will give you shit movement. I've actually noticed in the past year multiplayer games play worse for me because my ISP is cheaping out. I took a break of over a year from TF2 and played a few matches recently. I performed much worse because the hitreg is now 200% more shit, I know my aim didn't magically degrade. I suspect it's because so many people are moving to my area and taxing the connection quality. Games that used to feel fluid now hitch, rubberband, and give nearly second-long latency issues randomly. The network is to blame, but also sloppy updates/failure to optimize. Anything that runs on Unity gives me long stutter when loading assets because Unity is a piece of shit with awful memory management. I can't blame just Unity though, most devs are doing retarded shit like using uncompressed hires tex, lossless audio, poly budget too high/used in wrong places, and overuse of advanced shaders.

>>15950446

Even the people who created the good FPS games of yesteryear don't actually understand what made them good. Human culture is stagnant because the idea of infinite progress is a falsehood, all you get is lots of shit with random flashes of goodness.

>>15950446

Too many retards buying Call of Duty instead of Titanfall. Even fucking Warframe of all things dumbed down its movement options (RIP wallrun).

>>15950462

>MUH LEGS

Oh my fucking god I hate people who say this shit. Yet every time a new game comes out "why can't I see my legs? game ruined". Why the fuck do you need to see your legs? What's the point?

>>15950650

I suspect console devs are the culprit. Halo played slow as fuck but what FPS does everyone remember from that era?

>>15950730

Goddamn, I miss this game.

>>15950866

>Why the fuck do you need to see your legs? What's the point?

They're excuse is that since your view is restricted to first person, it's impossible to acquire the proper perception needed to navigate around the environment.

>>15950927

I don't understand how retards still can't into 3D movement and platforming after this many years.

>>15950942

It might not be that they're retarded. Motion sickness could actually be genetic.

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/motion-sickness#genes

This may be why some people just cannot get it when it comes to arena shooters. Their senses start betraying them and they just can't hack it.

>>15951185

>*due to plenty of content and lack of flip flopping between F.E.A.R and modern FPS design which 2 did

>>15951185

I've never played any far cry game, what's wrong with far cry 2? was it a consolized sequel like fear 2 and crysis 2?

>>15951209

Respawning enemy checkpoints killed that game. Any time you wanted to drive across the map, you had to clear out the same guardposts over and over and over, and I just gave up on it after a while.

>>15951130

>it's the fear autist again

No one likes your brown corridor shooter set in 6 million identical warehouses, give it a rest.

Someone tranny traded you a blowjob for the inner awakening that Fear is the supreme FPS of all time, but the truth is they just raped you.

>>15951209

He's talking out of his ass. Consolization is a problem but the only people complaining about it day and night are the tryhards, who set themselves apart from the crowd in the 360 era by playing their dad's games. They evolved into soy hipsters and trannies.

Far Cry 2 on console has a very interesting revive system that's never been tried again, and tech that was far ahead of its time. It's remembered as a so-so game simply because it overdid realism, to the point of dullness.

>>15951222 (checked)

oh I see

>>15951238

how does it work? like I said I've never played any far cry game

>>15951277

>How does it work?

It's L4D but with an NPC that teleports himself to your location and helps you up.

It's unique but fucking garbage in it's implementation just like everything in the game.

Even if the buddy dies you get a new one and they don't have any personality for you to get attched to them

They don't even help you outside an optional path on main missions where you can do the mission their way that do nothing different in any way and are just there to pretend like you have option when you get the same reward and progress regardless of what you choose.

The game as a whole is half baked and unfinished.

Don't listen to the consolecuck autist, he'll do anything to push his rhetoric even if he has to lie and pretend to be retarded.

>>15951277

The actual combat was interesting. Enemies had significant responses to being shot. They would hide and wait to ambush you (letting you think you had cleared out an area), which was incredibly cool because it made combat areas tense, and you really didn't want to die in that game.

But the overall implementation of other systems was garbage enough to kill it for me. Especially some of the weapon unlocking missions, which were uber-repetitive and forced you to cross those respawning guard checkpoints over and over.

>>15951321

Because it looks ridiculous and most of said games are trying to portray soldiers as "cool".

>>15951320

>cross those respawning guard checkpoints over and over.

>>15951222

>you had to clear out the same guardposts over and over and over

protip: drive on the outskirts of the map to bypass all the checkpoints

>>15950783

This, and it's exacerbated by the desire to deliver propaganda to young people. Make games slow, easy, and story heavy and you can shove more faggotry in the player's face.

>>15951339

I did, but even then you still have to go to town for things.

>>15951334

Still waiting for the bunny camo option to be added into games. We already have that shitty couch camo.

>>15951209

Malaria, instantly respawning checkpoints, an open world where you can't sprint 10 feet without passing out like. It's like you're playing as Artie Lang. Really cool in other ways, though. I hated it so much when I first got it that I tried to return it for the full price.

Controllers

>>15950730

I ask again, is Caleb supposed to be bald or what?

>>15950730

because of you posting that, I became trapped in youtube gameplay videos for hours, lamenting that I never bothered to play blood, despite playing all the other fps at the time.

>>15951320

the game was fine for a 5 minute mobile phone casual game where you repeat the same 5 minutes endlessly and weapons 'rust' within those 5 minutes to make them useless. that there is only one type of enemy and it is boring and ugly. that everything feels like a chore, and the whole game is brown and piss-yellow.

that they made the game a big rectangle full of identical immemorable spots in the middle of a desert made no sense.

far cry 1 was boring and a lie, the second was even moreso. it is down to the developers having no imagination or sense of gameplay design. instead it seems like they have a mix of autistic programmers and people who failed the military recruitment test but feel they could have been navy seals.

>>15950942

Jews are bad at working in 3 dimensional space. Just ask James Watson.

>>15951583

>far cry 1 was boring and a lie

What?

>>15951130

>Well, aren't graphics supposed to get better with new technology?

Most advancements in vidya technology are largely ignored by most people, hence why developers don't bother anymore.

You don't know half of the shit Half Life 1 had that you couldn't even imagine for a 90's game.

>>15951791

>to wasting time on developing "smell AI".

Fixed.

>>15951791

I see people often complaining that HL1 started bad trends, but don't consider the fact that back then, videogames had a much lower bar for entry and people were on a rush to pioneer whatever had not been pioneered yet. Developers had to go many lengths to distinguish their game from everyone else in a specific genre and marketing wasn't an all-powerful tool as it is today. They had to put their bets on the uniqueness of their games, and HL1 is a product of that much like every other game from that era, because the things it did were mostly unheard of when it came out, and it turned a lot of heads.

It's widely copied ad nauseum today because modern developers don't need to try making new things as much anymore, they have investors and publishers to do the marketing and play it safe for more profit now.

HL1 didn't ruin FPS, it came out as a one-time thing in a sea of arena FPS, but everyone stopped copying arena FPS to copy games like HL1 instead, as it introduced new concepts, and the industry eventually changed FPS as a whole. Same thing happened when Doom and Quake came out, it's the clone phenomenon. The blame isn't entirely on Half-Life, but more so on those who didn't stick to their own ideas and copied it instead.

And then people ask why games don't have all these nifty technological details like moving lighting effects and "muh legs" as you see in FEAR. It's precisely because it takes a lot of work, and very often gets largely forgotten about.

>>15951848

Does that mean we can also stop blaming Halo for "starting trends that still plague games to this day"?

>>15951872

As I said, the blame is shared. Videogames would be a lot better if people didn't copy what sells (or what is shit and also sells) all the time, but it is how it is.

>>15951872

Although I will say that Halo copied Half-Life with the focus on story and all that.

>>15951883

Halo started as an RTS for Macs, become a third-person shooter, and finished production as a remake of Marathon for consoles.

>>15951889

Why did it go from an RTS to an FPS?

Because when Titanfall 2 came out y'all didn't buy it. Now folk consider the movement "too hard" for lowest common denominator based off of sales.

>>15951739

It was advertised as non-linear gameplay, it instead gave a big corridor and a small corridor made of jungle in a few places, was full of bugs and had slow, uninteresting gameplay.

It was average, hyped up to be revolutionary.

>>15951928

Titanfall 2 failed because the first game didn't leave a good impression on people, and because EA launched it between two powerhouses, BF and CoD, actively sabotaging the game because the developer didn't want to sell TF's IP rights to them.

>>15951928

Go back to Reddit nigger

>>15951928

see >>15950783

Even if all the leet fps players buy it, the sales are not 50 million or whatever the enormous (((publishing companies))) want.

When games became a mainstream thing, and money became the only driving factor, any consideration of making a categorically good game went out the window.

There will always be more lower skill, lazy and stupid people than there are high skill/intelligence people who want to be challenged in a game.

Developers of mmos routinely carebearify their games to attempt to draw in new, casual players, which drives away the core player base, emptying the servers and causing the game to die.

It is greed and stupidity.

Not the fault of "y'all" not buying it.

>>15951807

pity about the sjw dev, that's why I'm not buying it.

>>15951764

apart from Sin was far superior and more enjoyable instead of a scripted bore fest.

>>15951960

What about niche markets? Smaller companies have done pretty well pandering to the "I want it super difficult" crowd here and there.

>>15950783

>>15951960

>There will always be more lower skill, lazy and stupid people than there are high skill/intelligence people who want to be challenged in a game.

Shit movement isn't easier. For god's sake I'm newb player who always plays on baby,tourist,newcomer, let alone easy mode and I never saw Serious Sam lowering my own speed to tank levels of control and making me unable to shoot while running. Running also didn't consume energy.

Playing with health power ups ended up being easier because devs didn't feel the need to create slow tank enemies ganking up on me and overpowering my health regeneration, just to increase the difficulty.

I had trouble fighting tank enemies, assassins and 4 medium enemies and 7 small enemies even on the lowest difficulty. This was in Halo. Crysis also had some similar issues.

You know what was a harsh shooter game? Vietcong. Its difficulty takes you by surprise as a beginner. Even Medal of Honor 1 whenever you're against snipers and enemies in towers and dear god those hopping nazi soldiers.

>>15951987

The problem is often the publisher, they don't know anything about games or care either. If a developer goes with a large publisher, they've little choice on what is done. The publisher will end their company and take their IP/games if they don't obey.

Niche markets is rare, which is the idea of niche in the first place, and usually aren't large projects, with fewer employees and less risk involved.

Making a modern looking FPS takes a lot of people and time nowadays, which is why there are a few small projects to make more classic style fps, the thing is that they have retro engines, looks and levels of detail, not to mention scope.

FPS back in the day used to quite long games too, 30 levels was common, all quite lengthy and expansive.

That was with mostly flat corridors, and still took a long time to make.

Making a realistic looking world is a hard thing to shortcut, so investment is always high.

Look at grand theft auto or saints row, they have thousands of chinks listed as world builders, it isn't feasible within company even. It has become like the Simpsons, outsourced animation.

Also, super difficult isn't the aim, the aim is to have good gameplay, that requires practise and improvement in the player's side, developed skill or knowledge. That takes design and care.

The cheap way to make something difficult is to fill the screen with moving objects and have the computer cheat, which is what most games do on harder difficulties.

>>15952019

The thing is that Vietcong, CoD 1 and MoH 1 honed my reflexes to be better at it till a certain level. Meanwhile with Halo 1, I had massive issues due to my shitty speed, low arsenal, no stealth, no abilities. There was nothing to git gud at.

If they're too lazy or genuinely retarded to evolve their reflexes to what the game wants then just add another batch of "handicapped" difficulties which slows down the entire gameplay/changes the gameplay.

How can you possibly not separate the speed/difficulty/gameplay? How can anybody possibly think like this? A game without difficulties? How? It's impossible. Go back and add that goddamn difficulty.

Add 20 difficulties with customizable enemy stats and features if you must to. That's what cheat modes are for.

There also also games that feel floaty as fuck for no reason and combat feels completely off and artificial

so getting it right is i would say one of the most important things to keep people in the gameplay loop

>>15952019

1 shot dead from a sniper a mile away is a different kind of game.

What most fps do now is make weapons inaccurate, so you have to stand still to shoot, add powerups to improve accuracy, have you slow down to a crawl partly because they can't design for speed, partly because most people can't react fast enough or think about moving and shooting at the same time.

It is about offsetting the luck or game element instead of allowing the player to use their own reflexes or abilities.

One shot deaths belong in the old rainbow six and delta force games, which were about tactics and positioning.

Compare a modern fps with Quake 1, and see what the difference is between what a good player can do, and a casual player. In Quake 1 it seems like the good player is a magician.

>>15952057

I will add that online game developers deliberately try their best to prevent that 'magician' effect, because they don't want massive imbalances in online games, it upsets the casual players who want to log in for 30 minutes a week while their wife is at yoga.

It isn't conjecture, I've read developers stating it. An example, an update in a small mmo with fast combat and high player skill basis, after a few years they forced stationary combat with an update, stating that they "had never intended for skill to be such a big factor, and that it ruined the experience for new players who will find the old players unbeatable".

So they just broke the whole game, and all the old players quit.

They then made it pay to level up, pay to have good items and so on, focussed on the money as is often the case.

It is easier to see in mmos, because they change over time.

It happens in the planning stages of almost all the major games, too much skill or learning involved, means lower sales.

They cater to the masses, and most people aren't ever going to be good at games.

>>15950446

Serious Sam has good movement, it's so basic that it's actually good.

I don't play FPS games ever any more. Every time I see gameplay of one made in the last 10 years or so they all look identical though.

>walk around or sprint for 2 seconds until stamina drains and walk more

>see enemy

>stop

>iron sights

>pew pew

>enemy dead or player dead

>repeat infinitely

This shit looks so incredibly boring. They're just selling the exact same game over and over again.

>>15950926

Nightdive is working on a proper source port.

>>15951889

Halo is filthy casual garbage compared to Marathon. It is too linear and simple.

>>15951912

Bungie was working on a sci-fi spiritual successor to Myth, basically. I'm not entirely sure why it changed genre.

>>15951928

No one wants to support EA period.

>>15952639

Probably Half-Life 2, everyone knows the movement in the Halo games is far beyond what games like Unreal Tournament and its 17 players ever achieved

>>15952663

>Half Life 2 is actually fast

>youtube embed

>>15952663

Good thing Halo blows Hal Life out of the water when it comes to vehicles to compensate

>>15952697

>sprinting in hl2

>not bhopping

>ever needing to even do that

Face it Gabe, HL2 is over

>People are now unironically defending Halo

What the fuck happened?

>>15952753

We got old.

Halo came out in 2001. "my first FPS" stopped being a meme and became real years ago.

>>15952716

Too bad Halo is a shit fucking boring game

>>15952759

What point would there to ever even bhop or sprint constantly in Half-Life 2? Sure it's fun to see how fast you can complete a level in record time, but the AI is already retarded so they'll have an even tougher time keeping up with you.

>>15952773

Outlast.

>>15952784

>defending slowlife 2

>now defending slow baby fear

7th gen console shitter detected

>>15950942

This. How hard is it to visualise yourself? I used to play jumping maps in CS:S all the time and never had issues, yet every time platforming in an FPS comes up people howl that it's the worst thing since the black plague. Are people that bad?

>>15952799

>being this mad he only plays slow games

I've never seen someone with so much fury they post their own porn. No wonder you think Halo is slow, you're a sonygger.

>>15952839

What the shit was he doing?

>>15952813

Why is it bad to have legs?

>>15952754

Oh god you're one of the Vermintide "WHERE ARE MY LEGS" retards. Go back to Reddit, you'll be in good company there, you fucking subhuman.

>>15951579

Yeah I've never had problems platforming because I can't see my character's feet. That sounds like a personal problem my dude.

>>15952862

Nothing, I'm enjoying them being in dying light but not having them isn't a dealbreaker for me.

>>15952874

What a jackass.

>>15952754

Essential to what?

>>15950446

It's not only that their movements suck, it's that the speed of the game has been completely lowered so it appeals to the lowest common denominator. I've noticed that most games today are SLOW as fuck, and doesn't have good pacing/flow. It has already been said in the thread, consoles also cannot handle fast FPS games because they are mainly played with a controller, with the majority of the time people sitting far away from the T.V which is already influencing design decisions on how to make the models, maps, game mechanics, etc.

>>15951807

Played this game today, second hardest difficulty and already reached Sawdust, it's not a bad game but it isn't the hype that people are giving it either. But yes, the dev is a SJW fag, so my money wont' be going towards his cuckoldry.

>>15953155

>But yes, the dev is a SJW fag, so my money wont' be going towards his cuckoldry.

Fug, what happened there?

Gimme wavedash. First locked 2d

>>15950446

casualization, movement is one of the last things any modern fps will get right

>>15950446

Why is DUSK the only retro throwback that's understood how to do proper old school FPS movement?

Doom 2016's movement was so fucking slow and stiff

>>15950446

maybe because theyre shooters and not platformers

>the last 10 years

There's your problem.

>>15951229

nani the fuck

>>15951269

>type nani the fuck

>scroll down to see this

>>15952729

Does that actually make use of the powered up gravity gun from the end of HL2 or is that just a skin?

>>15952787

Because the normal movement speed is too slow

>>15950446

Consoles.

Because they had to be slowed down for consoles and normalfags who refused to git gud. You can't have fast movement on consoles because you can't aim or rotate quickly enough with a controller.

Scrubs also complained constantly that games were too fast back in the day, I'm surprised people have forgotten this. That and they've been bloated with so much lens flare and bloom the focus has been on that over smooth gameplay. The entire FPS genre has been stagnant since the Quake 3 engine became obsolete.

>>15950650

>Did they add interruptions before and after moving?

Yes actually, games around 2008 started to implement momentum and acceleration, making your character slow down / speed up creating a brief transition period every time you stop or change direction. Previous to this your character would instantly stop or switch direction with no transition period. This change alone has ruined the movement in FPS games.

>>15950675

See above

>>15950671

well, it is an EA title

Opposite of stiff is fast? I don't think so, opposite of stiff is smooth, i.e. quick and responsive turns without motion blur or high latency.

This whole thread may be slightly off topic.

>>15952813

I think I used to be confused by FoV, console users don't know what FoV is.

>>15954135

Momentum also degrades FPS experience

>>15952813

>>15954364

I do think that FoV plays a part. I couldn't stand first person platforming until I started playing on PC with 90+ FoV and suddenly it became trivial, like it was second nature to me.

>>15950650

>the same reason I'm not taking "Dubstep" as a form of music

Because it's too vague a descriptor, or because you're holding residual grudges from the era of MLG montages?

>>15950730

I always thought the movement in Blood was kind of shakey IMO. It's easy to slip on a severed head and the air control just feels slightly off. Some of the platforming is bad too, but you can blame that on the Build Engine being pushed to its limits.

>>15954374

FOV plays a mild part, there are undeniable limitations to human periphery that makes wider FOVs and even aspect ratios questionable in usefulness. We still can't magically focus on an entire wide screen display, that's just a basic human genetic limitation. Unless you're some sort of hammerhead looking motherfucker the 4:3 aspect ratio is still the most ideal as data in the periphery has an ethereal quality that can even be deceptive to what is really being displayed.

Made all the worse depending on if you're playing at monitor distance or TV distance. First person platforming sucks simply because of inconsistent behavior of movement, no feasible way to track true positioning without majorly sacrificing your view. The actual options for game play presented for the first person perspective are so limited that it's the only genre that demands these kind of bi-weekly threads about how to fix X in first person because it always fucking sucks instead of just accepting the genre sucks.

>>15950446

Games like F.E.A.R. really spoil you on the FPS genre, from animations to sound and visual effects, proper ragdolls, recovery and so on. The downgrades between GTA4 and GTA5 likewise are interesting to see. Leaning as a mechanic has been vanishing in most as well.

As for why? Well, you could blame controllers and consoles. Casualization, certainly but I think there's also a lot of technical issues that have started to plague games, probably because the good coders, animators and scripters seem to have vanished, leaving only decent level designers to hold up buggy, messed up half-finished products.

>>15954672

The problem is incompetent designers who keep making PC style shooters where the central mechanic is pointing and clicking. Pointing to a secondary aspect like consoles and controllers is failing to see the forest for the trees. It's a lazy scapegoat that is more narrative than constructive feedback.

>>15954719

Thanks for the correction, I should've said environmental designers and mappers rather than level design. The only great example of level design I can mention lately would be Titanfall 2, which did a lot of really good things which of course is not nearly as popular as it should be.

>>15954741

EA set the game up to fucking die.

>>15954751

i vaguely remember that from the titanfall2 threads weve had, didnt they dislike how the developers werent going full merchant?

>>15954757

That didn't help either.

>>15954774

Why focus on what is popular instead of what is good? Halo took a lot of sacrifices and built its game design around the limitations, embracing them and making the game more about a meta of which weapon to use, on the fly pick ups for load outs and deliberately made a lot of staple core weapons inaccurate. This is about lazy devs who saw what Halo received for its efforts and did none of the work of translating their ideas over, copied Halo's ideas on a superficial level and hoped for the same.

People have been saying the same uninformed nonsense and scapegoating as you are right now for 20 years and nothing has changed. Keeping up a failing strategy produces only the same failure. This is about lazy critique, lazy devs, and incompetence. Start thinking or stop posting. Your solution is about attacking a mass of people who will never give a shit about what a minority thinks and the fact you think it'll work is both embarrassing but probably more than anything a reflection of your own failure to ever achieve anything.

Plus, if we're talking about mediocre hardware lets not forget that most PC gamers are way under console spec. Your attempts to shoe horn the discussion are noted and pathetic. No one cares about your narrative or will buy PC hardware for shitty first person games of which they've played hundreds of the same kind already.

>>15954895

Better than the "Uncommon Time" thread. I'd rather deal with younger anons that played different games at different times than a bunch of tumblrites pretending they're in good company.

>>15954926

Still laughing at how the creator was fancucked.

>>15954135

>Yes actually, games around 2008 started to implement momentum and acceleration, making your character slow down / speed up creating a brief transition period every time you stop or change direction. Previous to this your character would instantly stop or switch direction with no transition period. This change alone has ruined the movement in FPS games.

>2008

Try 1993 you faggot.

Consoles.

>>15955033

>We were glad that we had a stick with a crystal on one end to fight off the flying demons that would try to defile us.

Heretic, now that's a pretty fun game.

>>15951078

because the majority of console players play on TVs and over time devs narrowed down the fov between convenience, comfort and processing power.

making that adjustable would mean more effort and money to implement more options and leads to frictions in your playerbase instead of just saying "that's the number, deal with it".

>>15950512

EPG was the single greatest thing about that game. Ashamed it died, the devs where pretty cool.

>>15955094

Back in the good ol' days before immersion we had imagination and such, we would imagine that we had legs and guess what, junior? It worked! In our minds we had legs and we had a jolly good time using them for running across water and lava pits.

>>15955139

no i hate running on damage floors

>>15955250

Well then, not buying it is just respecting xir's wishes.

>>15955232

works with some transgender (?) furry and a commie (and other fags in their studio), so people think he's SJW too

>>15953155

>consoles also cannot handle fast FPS games because they are mainly played with a controller

they can handle it just fine, see titanfall.

>>15955256

>>15955254

>>15955250

>>15955232

>>15951965

>>15951807

>>15953155

>>15953270

Don't buy the game at all, they're lying low until they have "fuck you" money. Don't let it reach that point because they'll deplatform you if they have the chance to.

>>15955067

exception to the rule I guess, some devs put in more effort (and it was coop so no competitive aspect to consider).

meanwhile some devs can't even include an option to swap thumb buttons or are so hard at the limit they can't even have compressed audio.

>>15955272

*shoulder buttons fuck

>>15955256

Why do you faggots call them "SJWs"? They're not social, they're not for justice and they're definitely not warriors.

Call them what they are: Communists or Cultural Marxists.

>>15955289

Pretty much, wouldnt surprise me if its another one of those indies being propped up by the usual suspects. If it doesnt sell well they can start saying old school FPS is dead and so is its fanbase, if it does sell well they have another title to boost their "credibility" as real gamerz.

>>15955261

It works good enough until you try slidehopping in Titanfall 2. Putting jump on the bumpers helps and makes it technically possible, but the movement is way tougher, especially to do smooth enough to get good speed. Aside from that, it feels alright, but you're losing the fastest and most interesting movement.

>>15955314

even without bunnyhopping it's still faster and more open compared to a linear corridor shooter that plays to a gamepad's strength, and a lot of people liked it even when most of then never used it.

another argument would be that even on pc where q3 movement is much easier to pull off is dead as well. people being lazy is not contained to one system or cause by one.

>>15950476

It's a long standing expectation that people hate platforming in an FPS game, it wasn't popular in the 90's and it's only now with Titanfall that the idea of jumping around has gotten popular again.

>>15950476

>>15955417

>>15950599

A lot of people don't like platforming in FPS games because it breaks the flow of games by making you lose everything from making one mistake.

>>15955448

And it forces you to use a different set of skills than the ones you have been practising in the game up to that point. FPS generally have different movement mechanics than platformers so that's another negative. All in all it rarely adds any enjoyment or interesting gameplay, like forced stealth in non stealth vidya.

>>15950539

I hope you die a painful death.

>>15950462

>Referencing Window of Opportunity and not posting "IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BACKSWING".

>>15955343

>core mechanics are good

can you explain that in further detail?

>>15954875

>>15955267

Wasn't going to because it looks shittier than the games its trying to emulate, but that just makes it easier.

>>15955528

What am I supposed to see here?

>>15951965

>>15955267

>>15955250

>cry about not having intricate movement in fps games anymore

>game comes out with exactly that

>it's shit because the developers are vaguely related to opinions i don't like

>doing these amazing stretching and mental gymnastic to hate at something for no reason

Imagine being this of a shut in. Go outside and call your mothers, they worry about you.

>>15956154

Looks like they nailed the movement, but the fact that it looks like the 3d equivalent of an mspaint drawing turns me off. Better off playing a quake mod

>>15956330

Episode 3 is where things start getting aBsTrAcT and logic is thrown out of the window

There's also a lot more gimmickry in the vein of gravity shifting that was already present in some form in E2, stackable fast-fire powerups (I managed to stack like five of them, the results were hilarious), giant tornadoes which are actually no fun, and for some reason more references to Thief than actual retro shooters

The last levels of the game are callbacks to previous episode complete with the music even repeating some leitmotifs of previous levels, I am a sucker for this kind of shit

There's for some reason a lot of boss fights here and they all suck because they're too damn simple and easy, which is a given because having a good boss fight in a FPS is not possible, but at least they're not infuriatingly hard or difficult to deal with

Though special shoutouts to the final boss which is the closest thing an FPS can actually get to a doppelganger boss fight

It's pretty good, you can tell it's not just a Quake clone because the super shotgun actually kills things in one shot

Though the first episode could have used another pass for tightening the level design to be more unique and using more different enemy types together in general, the E2/E3 enemies are probably the most interesting but they're not used as often as they should be

the award of best FPS of 2018 wouldn't go to DUSK, but to Overload instead, which is also the best fucking FPS of the decade, and I swear to god , if I find out you're trying to ride your high elitist FPS horse and you haven't even played Overload yet

>>15956363

SJW doesn't actually want money from people like me, so I'm buying SJW's game just to spite SJW

>>15956363

then pirate it, no one gives a shit

>>15956380

You clearly do since you bothered to give me a (you)

>>15956390

well yes, i like making fun of people

>>15956333

>Overload

overrated trash

>>15956377

But SJW doesn't want my money, so SJW will dispose of it. I get the game, and SJW ends up gaining no new money. This makes me happy.

Tribes is dead

Legions is dead

Midair is dead

There is no hope for good FPS with good movement.

>>15956401

you could just pirate it and buy a pizza then

Most shooters (forst person or third person) nowadays are designed for multiplayer. Look how the "dynamic" movement system worked for S4 League, and you might have an idea on why making player movement completely unpredictable may be a bad idea.

>>15956154

>>15956371

>>15956401

I don't mind the fact that people have different beliefs from me, it's that SJWs will ALWAYS censor other creators if they're have enough wealth/power. Mainly because the majority of them are actually mentally ill to see others as a deadly threat. They believe that the work of any anti-PC creators who doesn't align with them will lead into gas chambers.

After what Sony did with VNs and how IDGA pressured the government to fine people who aren't inclusive, I'm absolutely DONE with giving those devs my time and money. If people seriously believe that anime titties are a slippery slope to the holocaust, then they should be in a mental asylum not a gaming studio.

>>15950446

>Why do so many FPS games have such stiff movement systems?

The never ending regression to the mean.

Try playing some modern remake/reboot of a series from the early-mid 1990s. Then go back and play the originals. Notice how fast the movement speeds were? Notice most don't have mouse acceleration? Notice how weapon switching was faster? Notice the graphical detail (even with the limited resources and technology)?

The trend is to make everything dumber, slower, use neon-pastel colors, cell shade whenever you can because hipster adult soys love cartoons, make sure the controls don't move too fast, make sure you can't twitch 180 aim, and make sure the FPS game uses a console controller and/or is a console exclusive or special bundle.

Of course the real answer to "why?" is: jews.

>>15950527

this. sage

>>15950472

>Mirror's Edge Cataclysm got a useless skill point system in order to learn how to fucking roll and turn 180 and easy shit already in the first game. Said skill tree isn't even used for options like double jump and other stuff

Why the fuck does game add useless skiltree system when the game could've done without.

>>15958430

>enemies become challenging mostly by being bullet sponges instead of having any kind of interesting mechanics.

Just like Quake.

What's you lads ideal movement system? I have a fetish for grapple hooks that work like midair anchors that you move around, rather than being pulled towards, and I like learning to deal with faster and faster speeds, so I guess a system with speed that can go crazy fast, only capping at inhuman levels

>>15955276

>>15955272

>>15955067

>>15951078

One of the reasons I will never understand why anyone Chooses a console over PC

Yesterday I talked to a friend's girlfriend how her phone costs as much as my graphics card and she is playing some bullshit game that couldn't hold a candle to a free flash game

Her answer was "the phone isn't just for playing" ,then I asked her if she remembers how good Armor Games was and all the great flash games,her answer was "I never played those, I have a console"

>Isn't just for playing

>I have a console

Me and her boyfriend then talked about how early internet and playing games during IT classes was an important part of our school life and friends interactions and how in this regard console players seem like they aren't even real humans

If you are going to buy a console and some shit tier laptop why no just buy a gaming PC

>>15958430

reminder the company behind DUSK (new blood) is making an antifa game, tonight we rise

>>15956396

yep you are bum mad.

>>15957055

I refuse to give money to people who hate my guts.

>>15950796

i feel ya bro

fps movement fell apart from halo and even got worse after cod

>>15958843

I like when there's a lot of mid-air movement and you have a high amount of control over your direction. If the jump feels like it won't reach anywhere vertically, then I'm probably not going to have fun.

>>15953570

>you're looking at somewhere between 66 and 100ms of delay

Good joke.

>>15962458

>I talked to a friend's girlfriend how her phone costs as much as my graphics card

How's that? Either can be had for ~$250, not really a fortune.

>Her answer was "the phone isn't just for playing"

Yes, that's right. A smartphone is a pocket device for internet + camera + music + casual games + very rarely phone calls.

>If you are going to buy a console and some shit tier laptop why no just buy a gaming PC

Consider that the crappy laptop still has the advantages of mobility and taking very little room. Or maybe she thought a gaming PC would cost a lot, a very common misconception, and chose what seemed to make more sense at the time.

>>15962602

Unfortunately when you're on the internet when you whiteknight for random girls, the chance of getting laid drops from 0% to -1%

>>15950866

maybe because a lot of autistics look down at their feet when they walk in rl?

like this guy

>>15955094

>>15950650

Because FPS on consoles are optimized for much slower movement due controllers and they're too lazy to make a faster version for PC which you play with a mouse.

>>15962735

they're not too lazy to make a better game, they dumb that shit down so more retards will buy it. it's a numbers game to them, quality went down the shitter long time ago.

>>15952086

At that point Why Even Play,I hate people who treat games as Skype with extra activities.What's the point of playing a game if your brain activity is the same it would be if you were watching a movie?Where do these people fucking come from?

>tfw just want to play any fun multiplayer shooter from the last five years

>None exist

JUST

>>15962902

>Want to play a fun offline single player shooter that isn't complete jank and requires mods

you know nothing of my pain

>>15962902

I tried "space beast terror fright", it is co-op game with fast pacing matches, sometimes it is fun, but connection is p2p.

>>15951209

Malaria, cursed ground that turns pristine guns your enemies are using into literal shit the moment they drop them, respawning enemy outposts,

>>15951975

>>Sin

>>Good

Even unreal was better than that garbage.

>>15955139

>>15962718

You jest but there's more positives than negatives to seeing your own legs in a game.

Also you're defending developers becoming increasingly lazy like in >>15951130

>Dusk devs are making an antifa game

WHY

WHY IS EVERY SMALL GLIMMER OF HOPE SNUFFED OUT IMMEDIATELY

ITS BEEN LIKE THIS FOR OVER A DECADE JESUS FUCK HOW IS EVERYTHING SO CONSISTENTLY SHIT

>>15970687

Thank the jew.

>>15970687

Why can you not understand the difference between a publisher and a developer? Your lack of comprehension is about as retarded as your reddit spacing.

I don't like how slidey and skatey movement in FAST older/arena shooters feels

>>15950446

>Why do so many FPS games have such stiff movement systems?

Obviously you got it backwards. Modern movement is better. The fact all "old movement games" are dead proves it.

>>15951078

>>15955067

>but console FPS also have that super tiny FOV and no option to change it

Its because of tiny angular visible size of TV screen. 50 screen 10 feet away has same angular size as 16 monitor 3 feet away. Upping FOV reduces size of objects and it can't be afforded on such tiny screens/

>>15983334

it looks fun

The way FPS games are measured is different. These days kids think that if a game has 2k regulars it's dead. If the game doesn't have hundreds of thousands of players it's not worth playing. There's plenty of good FPS games with good movement that existed, but no one played them. Ultimately I think you're all just a bunch of hipster posers. I never watched a Totalbiscuit video in my life, but his quote about arena shooters was a correct assessment. You faggots don't want arena shooters, you just want the perceived street cred.

>>15983478

>There's plenty of shit FPS games this is why no one played them.

fixed

>>15983491

Hey, Lil Zoomy your games suck and cater to the participation generation. They aren't popular because they are good. They are popular because they are accessible. Any noob can accidentally kill someone or win a game in CS, Fortnite, Halo or CoD.

>>15983520

>and cater to the participation generation.

>meanwhile challenge in games was neveras high as in teh year 2019

>most popular game ise pvp with 1% average winrate

>half of the players can't win even single round

Nintendo "i am to afraid of strength of human players" pve generation BTFO.

Quake was literally a tech demo. Terra nova was better.

>>15955448

>>15955464

But Mirror's Edge isn't about shooting things, it's about parkour, ie jumping around, that's what platforming is.

>>15950446

>completely stagnant

No, it's worse. It has gone backwards since Quake 3/Enemy Territory.

The whole FPS genre has gone downhill since COD was released.

Nothing can compare to the speed and physics in Enemy Territory.

>>15955383

>even on pc where q3 movement is much easier to pull off is dead as well

You can thank COD for that.

>>15956931

That's fucking stupid, it was always the opposite

fast, responsive physics = multi player

slow, no physics = single player

>>15983922

Anon it still hurts.

>>15958843

>I like learning to deal with faster and faster speeds, so I guess a system with speed that can go crazy fast, only capping at inhuman levels

E N E M Y T E R R I T O R Y

>>15955256

So he works with retards just like everyone else. Why should I care?

>>15994483

>controller

kys

>>15956154

<thought policing

I'll buy what I want for what ever fucking reason I want to, communist.

>>15956154

>dusk

>good movement

Get out of here wherewolf