/v/ - Video Games

I thought you said what is your onion on cd project red and I thought you were crazy.

Thats all

>>15941918

No, what's your opinion?

>>15941922

If game studios were vegetables what vegetables would they be?

>>15941918

Witcher 3 was a 100 hour movie, stretched to 200 hours by the most non interactive gameplay one can find. No sense of progression, no item management, no exploration just walking from one point to the next, fighting the first group of enemies is the exact same gameplay mechanic as fighting the last boss, and the only meaningful gameplay it had was Gwent. Movie was tight, tho.

>>15941998

>Movie was tight, tho.

This.

Overrated tax payer money-funded garbage studio.

>>15941935

Valve would be a tomato, because it was initially a vegetable and over time became a fruit.

>>15941918

Kill yourself.

>>15942052

>implying that Reddit isn't actually obsessed with 4chan

>implying that Reddit actually knows about this place

>Implying that Reddit isn't bunch of normalfags who are afraid of going to "dark web" because they saw movie unfriended : dark web

oh boy, you're giving Reddit way too much credit

>>15941918

Made one good game and then went to shit.

>>15942074

I'd argue 8chan is more obsessed with reddit and 4chan than the other way around.

cucked

Witcher 1 was a gem, but a very rough gem. There were good things hidden beneath a layer of very poor craftmanship. With the sequel, they instantly sold out and made a shitty console game with a combat system that was somehow even worse than in the first game, because the idiots couldn't figure out why Bamham combat works in Bamham (first two huge problems: unresponsive and randomized attack animations). The UI was consolized dogshit. They also forgot that games are supposed to be playable on lower settings, and the result is a game that runs poorly even if you lower the settings to the point where it looks more worse than games that run better on the same hardware. I never bothered with 3 because I saw that it was the same shit as 2, except now with open world garbage.

>>15941918

They shouldn't do online surveying on taiwanese cartoonboards…

>>15941918

it's shit

btw how big a difference is there between W1 and W1:EE?

I hated W1 when it first came out and couldnt play more than 2 hours or so but a few years later when I played EE I fucking loved it and it's my favourite RPG now.

>>15942158

Tell me what you consider to be good games so I can laugh at you faggot

>>15942166

>Disgaea

Don't even have to look at the other shit

'say' mad you dumb faggot

>>15942166

>Disgaea

It's the only thing from that list that is actually good

All said and done but the Witcher trilogy is one of the top tier vidya series, I'm not sure if CDPR can even outdone themselves in the future.

And GOG is best vidya service.

>>15942083

That's a given. Forgive the egoist language but the best word to describe this place is spooked.

>>15942184

>spooked

>>>/leftypol/

>>15942044

Honestly, what studios don't fit this description? I can't think of any that's not independent or Volvo.

>>15942187

>>spooked

>>>/skeleton/

>>15941918

the witcher series was okay.

>>15941998

>No sense of progression

In what sense? All games feel like you're getting nowhere as the core gameplay remains the same, except with some extra bells and whistles like a new move, combos, weapons etc.

>no item management

Inventory management, a limit to how much you can carry, multiple potions with different effects

>no exploration just walking from one point to the next

You can ride horses and use little boats, there are also quite a few quests designed to specifically get Geralt exploring

>fighting the first group of enemies is the exact same gameplay mechanic as fighting the last boss, and the only meaningful gameplay it had was Gwent.

This goes back to my first point. I'm playing Ninja Gaiden right now so I'll use that as an example. Fighting the starting level enemies and the final enemies ultimately is the same. Ryu can block, dodge and do a bunch of moves. Only difference is using magic and countering, yet some enemies can't be countered anyway. New weapons don't really count as they function the same, block, dodge, light and heavy attacks.

I played Witcher 1 and Witcher 2, I kind of liked the story of both but the gameplay had me off the 3rd game and I doubt 2077 will be any good.

>>15941918

Bigosniggers pretending to care about video games. General rule, anyone who has (((Red))) in their name is garbage.

The least shit AAA studio, not that that means much today.

Enjoyed the witcher trilogy quite a bit so i have some minor optimism for 2077

>>15941932

The pic makes some good points and some pretty retarded points, especially about the maps.

Also, being overly ambitious is pretty common in the industry, if anything is impressive what they managed to do with TW3 coming from the previous games. Sure, devs shouldn't promise what they're not sure of delivering but changes in development happen all the time.

>>15942779

>Witcher is not an RPG

What makes an RPG?

>>15941918

It isn't

>>15942779

>original is a rip of Elric.

Should've said that in the beginning of your post so I wouldn't have to read it.

Something went seriusly wrong after Witcher 3 and now we have waited six years for cyberpunk, they have said that it entered pre-production after blood and wine. Even square enix starts pre-production right after anouncment.

So probaly it's realy messy in CDPR. If you don't belive just look how fucked gwent timeline has been.

>>15942303

Should've made Jakub Wędrowycz RPG instead of witcher.

I have a higher opinion of them than people who make effortless one & done template threads

>>15943156

explain

>>15943444

>retard copies even more retarded ecelebs without thinking

>shitty alcoholic in >Polish >People's >Republic would get his hands on shitty western fantasy book to plagiarize

Both elric and witcher are pulp-fiction grade trash.

Withcher doubly so because of sapkowski's ego bloated to the point it is a fire safety haazard along with ethanol-enriched fumes he exhales.

>>15941918

i think they tackled a project regarding a red CD at one point

Witcher 3 is fucking triumph, no matter what you think of everything else

i run in random direction and discover someone who needs my help

turns out hes prick whos hiding bodies and burning them

end up saving fucking drug dealer instead and killing the quest giver and get exp

holy shit and all this from just stumbling upon random person while running around and this is just one encounter, all kinds of similar stuff is happening every time

i havent even done a single fucking main quest, i stumbled upon three sidequests that all have voice acting and unique situations

this is what this game excels at, actual role playing

i cant remember anything comparable in any other games, pretty much every other rpg is giving you shitlist to do, go kill 10 of this, its pathetic, instead of keeping it organic like witcher

i am not sure how they will pull this off in cyberpunk, but if its even remotely as good, they have already probably succeeded

ahhh i guess for context…

its priest who is burning piles of dead people in battlefield

>>15941918

>asking for an opinion about vidya on /v/

shiggy

good, but worrying for CP2077 looking generic

Also GoG is getting worse with Galaxy going to shit.

They also need to get the leftist cucks off twitter and out of their company, period.

Overall respectable.

>>15942166

>SotN

talk about being a casual

>>15943573

>butchering his quote that badly

"What does it feel like to take human life?"

"I wouldn't know, I've only ever killed communists."

>>15943586

I'm up to 30 gigs of un-sorted reaction/infographic images. I couldn't find that one, so I made due.

They have a cute logo. I forget are they the Witcher people or the GOG people?

>>15943596

I know you're joking, but both for total retards.

they seem to be better at expanding and adapting the original material to suit the games instead

>>15943618

CD Projekt Red are the Witcher People.

GoG is part of CD Projekt Group which is the parent company over both of them.

They're both different branches, or divisions or companies; whatever you want to call them, under the parent company of CD Projekt Group

>>15943598

Don't bully.

>>15941918

>(1)

In my in opinion you're a faggot that should check my digits.

>>15943667

You do know that Elric and Geralt other than being white haired protagonists nicknamed white wolf don't really have much in common, right?

>>15942074

>muh secret club

>reddit reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Kys newfag

CDPR is proof even the most successful European studios can't figure out how to make good game play.

If anything at least Cyberpunk 2077 will provide a few headlines when the inevitable 'remove all niggers' mod is released

>>15941918

champions of drm free gaming.

>>15945954

>Dystopian shithole future

>Wants to make it an all white, dystopian future

An all white dystopia doesn't compute, anon. Cyberpunk has to be multicultural hell or it doesn't work.

>>15943953

Definitely this. I'd also go further and say the side content was better than much of the main quest too. Witcher seems to thrive on the localized, contained small stories rather than the big, sweeping "epic" of world threatening super elves and chosen ones.

>>15943610

This might as be titled Witcher 3 gameplay because it's literally the exact same shit.

>spam roll while enemy swings at you at the speed of a snail

>proceed to hack away at said enemy while they pause for a breather

You could literally win every single fight in the game while wearing starting gear because of this.

>>15946035

>all white dystopia doesn't work

>what are the communist states

>what are the fascist states

>what are all the times in history where European countries were ablaze 24/7 because the fucking Europeans couldn't stop killing each other for two goddamn seconds

>>15943953

The base game had some great sidequests too, the mainquest was pretty average i'd say.

>Still I'd say hearts of stone is a must play for vidya, literally of one of my favourite stories in videogames and you even get to fuck Shani from the first game again.

Yes Oldgierd is also handsome as fuck

>>15946212

Communist states were Jewish lead, so they don't count unless you consider Jews as white, which they are not.

>Hating on fascism by referring to them as dystopian

>2019

Oh, so you're just a cuck.

24/7 war and terror for medieval Europe is a gross exaggeration. Wars were fought for resources and glory at best or at the behest of the (((money lenders))) at worst. I'll give you that things were rough back then, but a sci-fi setting of an all white mega city falling into gangs, violence, corruption doesn't sit well. Things are too clean and good for whites to fight and tear the city apart.

Cyberpunk was always a multicultural hell, it was part of the atmosphere that made it stand out.

>>15943444

Elric is a protagonist of a fantasy story with white hair who uses a sword.

Because of that, some retarded e-celeb decided that the guy who wrote Elric has to be the only guy who would ever invent something as special as a guy with white hair that uses swords and therefore the Witcher must be a ripoff.

The fact that they are completely different in everything but appearance (and that their story plays in a generic fantasy setting) doesn't really phase that guy and his retarded fans.

>>15946385

So name a white haired individual using a sword in fantasy setting that came before Elric

>>15946385

>White hair

>Crimson eyes

>Uses sword

>Makes potions from herbs to gain strength

>Uses magic

>Deep knowledge of gods and demons

But totally a coincidence goyim!

>>15946412

They also have the nickname of White Wolf

>>15941998

>No sense of progression,

What can you say a lot about Witcher series but not this.

>No item management

Except fucking potion, fucking liar.

Fucking stop.

>>15942779

What the fuck is Elric?

>>15946412

None of these are unique and Geralt doesn't have crimson eyes.

>>15946399

When did Elric come out?

>>15946439

So by your retarded logic there is nothing unique in this world.

Filtered

>>15946448

Coward who can't argue detected.

No one knows what the fuck Elric is.

>>15946412

Holy shit, Elric is a Gandalf rip off.

>>15946385

Razorcuck faggots are almost as bad as him tbh.

>>15945950

I hate weebs but this gif is just stupid. The longsword has a fucking table and straps holding it it down; the Katana has only the strength of the dude behind it

>>15945950

Nice fake

>>15947234

Pretty much this.

There were reports from the pacific front of katanas cutting through tanks.

>>15947498

I hope you're aware that's a different sword it cuts to when they zoom in.

>>15942326

>In what sense?

An action RPG needs to give the player the feeling to become stronger (or weaker, which I don't think was ever really tried) Witcher 3 is does no such thing. The constant bombardment with XP are just irrelevant numbers, and the only roadblock of the ultra linear progression are over leveled enemies, which are useless to fight and yet another reminder that you have to follow the linear numbers game until they allow you to engage.

>Inventory management

Occasionally dragging your new stronger swords from right to left isn't what I want out of management. I also switched out his clothes maybe ten times in those 200 hours. Ironically building a deck in Gwent is more tactical than the main game.

>a limit to how much you can carry

Dude after 20 hours you have so much money that you never have to carry anything.

>potions

I only ever used them on enemies that took too long to beat.

>to specifically get Geralt exploring

Explore what? Take the graphics away and you have exactly nothing to explore. No real underground, just some lazy, linear 5 min long caves. All the indoor locations are shitty to navigate and have no worthwhile loot whatsoever. And then the "open" world, which are like five (5?) different massive maps full of nothing but random annoyance and sidequests you only do because the stories are so greatly written.

Everything gameplay related in here is a fucking burden. After 50 hours I had to use a trainer for infinite stamina, and the occasional use of 1 hit kill, just slash down the massive amount of time I waste on the exact same gameplay loop. And I locked over 200 hours before I finished everything including the DLC's. I never had that problem in over 600 hours of monotonous EDF grinding…because it was fun to do so.

>Ninja Gaiden

Are you kidding me? The last NG I played was Razor's Edge on the highest difficulty and just one mob of regular enemies can take up to 15 minutes of ultra intense fighting, where I can not make on mistake without getting raped from all directions. My hands were literally drenched in sweat playing this game, because you had to master the gameplay. Now what is there to master in W3? Dodge Roll and Riposte? Skyrim was more fun to play, Dragon's Dogma wipes the floor with it in terms of exploration, fighting and item management. Fable has better gameplay, Eco Draconis shows how to deliver the feeling of getting stronger, even Risen 2+3 had a more interesting world to explore.

Witcher 3 is a great movie, but the gameplay is hot garbage, masqueraded behind a stunning graphic engine. Take the story out of it and nobody would've stomach the shit until the end. It's so god damn unfulfilling and tedious.

>>15947630

>Either way you need to check these out.

You mean your ID BB dubs? Call yourself checked then.

>>15947666

>Skyrim was more fun to play

Fuck off Satan, you made legitimate points but Skyrim fucking sucks and is one of the worst and most boring "real-time" combat systems I've ever played with

>>15942138

>>15944173

Ahahaha, you don't know them

>>15947708

Nah, it's unbalanced in terms of difficulty but the variety of being able to freely switch between magic, stealth, melee, in either 1st or 3rd person mode is a hell of a lot more fun than W3 where you soon come to a point of dreading to engage enemies because they are so tedious to fight. Now we could talk about how disappointing Skyrim is to Oblivion and Morrowind, but yeah, let's not.

>>15946430

>why did they forceful kill all their leadership and replace them with Jews

Anon, I'm pretty sure the czar and his family were killed by Russians.

>>15947725

Not only CDPR but a lot of things, there's plenty to shit on already, i don't get why some people exaggerate or even make stuff up in their heads just to hate something more.

>>15947752

>You have to expressly open menus and the console based UI makes it even a bigger bitch to do so so I dont see how you could even suggests its free

Sorry I cannot comprehend what you're trying to tell me here. Like the entire sentence has no context to what I was writing about.

>more fun

It's Elder Scrolls, more dumbed down with each entry, but the core product is the same fun adventure it was back in the day. If you hated Skyrim you didn't like Oblivion either, otherwise you wouldn't have played it. And again I fully finished Skyrim (vanilla) until only those generated quests where left and I had fun for 200 hours. I would even go as far as saying that finishing the slog that was Dragon's Age 3, is more fun than W3 because the basic loop of fighting and exploring was engaging.

Let me also add that I never had this problem with Witcher 1 and 2.

>>15947781

Well here's your problem, you don't like the Elder Scrolls, which is okay, but me and many others loved the shit out of it for decades, because it was the forerunner for western action RPG's of that scope and quality. Of course we also had to see how the jews dismantled it into the nightmare we have today, but up to Skyrim to concept was still there and still fun to play. And to rub it in a little more…I played all Elder Scrolls games exclusively Stealth in my first run. Like I love cheesing the stupid AI with a bow and making them stuck on boulders or fall from buildings. I now it's dumb and easy as fuck but I enjoy it and that's what counts.

And now you tell me how thousands of times of mix potion, drink it, hit, roll away, wait for stamina bar, riposte, press magic, wait for magic to reload, repeat till death, for over 200 hours can be considered fun in any way?

>>15942138

Ok as a person from Poland I will explain it to you.

We have no fucking idea what the shit your politics are.

Their strategy is basically do whatever seems like popular idea -> cause Twitter drama over something absolutely silly but is considered haram in United Emirates of PC America -> fire current community manager to calm it down.

There is no agenda here. Not only this country is detached from you, CDPR is also a company. Companies don't give a shit about any political agenda because none of them does. It is marketing campaign to people who are believed to be majority.

So basically:

>they seem unsure how and who to pander to

Is because they actually are unsure where and who to pander to.

I think their games are decent and I enjoy them but they're also overrated because everything else is so shitty now.

>>15947855

>because it was the forerunner for western action RPG's of that scope and quality

I can agree with that to a degree. I also never said W3's gameplay was good. It's bland, repetitive, and the storytelling is the main strength of W3. If there were more options concerning gameplay style instead of "fast swing vs. slow swing" with the same combat loop, it would be considerably better. I think the issue with that was that CDPR wanted to tell a very specific story, and with their tunnel vision for that goal they applied the same kind of restrictions to gameplay as they did to story as a way of characterizing Geralt and his brand of combat. They could have added flexibility to his character by giving more interaction with the other Witcher school styles of combat i.e. cat is more stealthy, wolf has a greater focus on alchemy and fast combat, griffin has a heavy magic focus, bear/ursine is focused on being a tank but I think they didn't specifically to emphasize the player's position as Geralt, railroading the player into being a pre-established character.

The issue with this is that while it does help the game tell a better story, it seriously compromises gameplay in a game that claims to feature considerable player freedom. It seems to come down to a conflict of design goals, which should be expected considering how disorganized CDPR can be internally.

>>15947955

Another thing I forgot to mention is that if they really wanted to characterize Geralt's gameplay that much without providing much flexibility concerning the other schools, they should have added more depth to his combat loop specifically, making it so that it takes a certain degree of skill to execute his style, as, in-story at least, it's supposed to be a fairly unique form of swordsmanship. They didn't, though, because they already casualized the gameplay of the series to appeal to a larger market.

They have the potential to make something decent.

>>15946212

>he doesn't know about the jews

Everyone point and laugh!

W3 was absolute garbage. Also people forget all the fuckery they pulled with it (30fps optimization, downgrading, forum fuckery, etc). From what I have heard they are also at least around 50% SJWed at this point.

>>15948118

I tried to get into W1, and it is hard to get into tbh. I am trying to understand the popularity of the series.

>>15948145

>it is hard to get into tbh

>tbh

Illiterate niggers would naturally have difficulty playing a game that demands a lot of reading and critical thinking.

>>15947922

This actually explains a lot of inconsistent visions eastern companies have for their video games.

>>15948118

How is it absolute garbage?

>>15947855

>It's Elder Scrolls, more dumbed down with each entry,

Witcher is Elder Scrolls but more dumbed down? How the fuck is that even remotely true?

>>15947666

>An action RPG needs to give the player the feeling to become stronger (or weaker, which I don't think was ever really tried) Witcher 3 is does no such thing.

But you can get stronger and it absolutely fucking shows.

>Occasionally dragging your new stronger swords from right to left isn't what I want out of management.

Or fucking potion management, which potion to use, which is deeper than most fucking games out there.

>Dude after 20 hours you have so much money that you never have to carry anything.

Liar.

>I only ever used them on enemies that took too long to beat.

Again, liar.

>Explore what?

The caves, the fields, the cities, the villages? Every places in W3 have things to explore and look for.

>After 50 hours I had to use a trainer for infinite stamina, and the occasional use of 1 hit kill, just slash down the massive amount of time I waste on the exact same gameplay loop

So you are using a trainer and complain the game is too boring.

>Are you kidding me? The last NG I played was Razor's Edge on the highest difficulty and just one mob of regular enemies can take up to 15 minutes of ultra intense fighting, where I can not make on mistake without getting raped from all directions. My hands were literally drenched in sweat playing this game,

Maybe you just suck at playing video games or have some irrational hatred for the Witcher 3?

>Dragon's Dogma wipes the floor with it in terms of exploration, fighting and item management.

Explain this opinion. You realize nothing matters in Dragon's Dogma except stats right?

See? This dude is a prime example of a bad /v/irgin.

>>15947855

>It's Elder Scrolls, more dumbed down with each entry, but the core product is the same fun adventure it was back in the day. If you hated Skyrim you didn't like Oblivion either, otherwise you wouldn't have played it.

OK, I reread this, you like Skyrim but hate W3?

Holy fucking shit, when we do get these Bethdrones on /v/? Skyrim is literally copypaste the game. There's no soul.

>>15948254

Poland is a western country, you retard.

It's in eastern europe, but it's not fucking in Asia or anything.

>>15948322

He said eastern companies, which can mean fucking Japan as well.

Most eastern companies are in fact japanese.

>>15941918

need moar tiddies

In fact, the faggot needs to explain how exactly Dragon's Dogma is "deeper" than Witcher 3 in term of combat, management and exploration.

Dragon's Dogma is literally spamming skill and swapping swords, the game. Every swords/weapon type fight the exact same. Item UI is fucking horrendous and it's just to chug potion and use spell.

Exploration is what it's known for, but the map is fucking small and barebones. Dark Arisen is a fucking grindfest.

>>15948353

I don't see where it is "obvious".

The last post he quotes said Poland, but the next he said eastern companies. One can infer that he means eastern companies in general.

Used to like them, but then they started to be like any other modern dev today. the 1st witcher game was enjoyable enough (also had the best alchemy system out of the 3), couldn't even finish 2 even after trying to play it twice due to how shit the gameplay was, and barely played 3 after getting annoyed with the bland, boring gameplay where the "builds" only made parts of your arsenal stronger rather than actually feel unique. Didn't help that they blatantly lied about downgrading 3 to make it playable on consoles, and also creating 2 and 3 to be more console focused rather than PC or at the very least, make the console and PC versions unique from each other. Combine this with their recent practices, I see them going down the same path as Valve, where they'll eventually stop making games and focus exclusively on their gamestore service.

>>15948330

>Most eastern companies are in fact japanese.

[citation required]

>>15948459

That's sorta okay too, but they must keep the store DLC free.

>boring gameplay where the "builds" only made parts of your arsenal stronger rather than actually feel unique.

Liar, there are 06 builds in the game, the core sword, magic, alchemy build, and there are hybrid builds based on those core build, which sword-alchemy being my favorite.

I don't understand what do you mean by "unique".

>>15948505

Eastern means Asia, most Asian devs are japs.

>>15948509

Still waiting for a citation

>>15948522

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_developers

You can count for yourself in this list.

Jap devs OUTNUMBER the other asian devs.

>>15948528

>Listing shit like Robinson Technologies that no one has ever heard of

>Doesn't list shit like Neople who only made the highest grossing PC game for multiple years

Shit source

>>15948575

This is a QUANTITY matter, not QUALITY.

>>15948578

Doesn't change the fact that the source is shit if it can't even list the highest grossing dev of 2018

>>15948587

Why don't you add it in

>>15948587

Which matters in what now?

>>15948610

Why the fuck would I edit wikipedia entries

>>15948617

>Yeah my source that I'm trying to use as proof for my claims is shit, so?

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>>15948625

How the fuck is it shit? The sources do exactly what you ask for, the QUANTITY of devs per region.

Fuck off retard.

>>15948625

>Why the fuck would I edit wikipedia entries

Why not?

>>15948635

I have better things to do.

Like making fun of people trying to use (even by their standards) shit wikipedia pages as evidence.

I wish they took the concept of autistic preparation in order to fight certain monsters further, and they'd do a game set earlier when Witchers were first becoming a thing. But everything has to boil down to not-Skyrim to make money from retards I guess.

over rated trash

>>15941918

They have never made a good game and they will probably continue to never make good games because the only talented people at their studio are artists and maybe some musicians. The entire trilogy has bad gameplay and mediocre writing, people only like them because they're less shit than Bioware but make similar "RPGs".

>>15948979

>But everything has to boil down to not-Skyrim to make money from retards I guess.

How the fuck is Witcher 3 not-Skyrim? Do you even fucking play it?

Why is modern /v/ so fucking terrible, do you even know of Oblivion or GTA?

>>15949112

Weird, because the Witcher trilogy sets a standard for RPG trilogy.

There's no other RPG trilogy that are as good. Fallout becomes shit as fast as Fallout 2, Baldur's Gate was never good and yada yada yada, Gothic 1+2 are the only good ones.

Meanwhile, Witcher trilogy will be the ones that stood the test of time.

>>15949123

I'm finally playing it now after waiting and settling with using W3EE to get some sort of challenge out of it, yeah. Since you can't into context, I'll spell it out for you: the need to sell vidya to mongrels that have to win at everything requires the gameplay to betray the witcher lore by letting you flail around at everything instead of being Autistic Medieval Batman. Why was that not clear?

>>15949123

Good? By what standard? The writing is well below the quality of Planescape, FNV, FO1, or Morrowind. The combat ranges from wonky mindless mashing to smooth polished mindless mashing. And the RPG systems are entirely surface level, you don't "roleplay" as Geralt anymore than you "roleplay" as the soldier dude in Call of Duty Blops 2. That game is somehow even more of an RPG due to the fact that you can significantly change your playstyle through the loadouts in singleplayer and several of the story decisions you make are done through natural gameplay instead of choosing from a list of dialogue choices. Not saying Blops 2 is a good RPG of course, it's not even a good game, just that none of the Witcher games are either. Just because most people consider it to have "set the standard' for RPGs doesn't mean it's good, the standard that most people believe in is incredibly low.

What these games should have been is pretty much Dragons Dogma with potions and much better writing. Also making the story about Geralt was a mistake, the books weren't particularly good either but at least they committed to having an autistic weirdo protagonist, one of the few things that was interesting about them. In the games Geralt is just brooding edgy protagonist man.

>>15949149

Can you repeat that to me, it still isn't clear.

In the book: Geralt cooks up potion, adds in oil to his sword, use some magic.

In the game: Geralt cooks up potion, adds in oil to his sword, shoot crossbow, throw bomb, use magic.

How does ANY of that betray Witcher lore? Do you know Witcher lore or you are just going around putting shit?

>Medieval Autistic Batman

What the fuck does this mean? Batman is a faggot who goes around punching people, surprise, un-equip your sword and punch people, you can do that in Witcher 3 too.

>>15949155

>Good? By what standard? The writing is well below the quality of Planescape, FNV, FO1, or Morrowind.

It's only below the quality of Planescape, it's on pair with FNV, better than FO1 and Morrowind. Morrowind only good writings are the fucking mindtrip lore and the scene design, the other is just normal fantasy bullshit.

>That game is somehow even more of an RPG due to the fact that you can significantly change your playstyle through the loadouts in singleplayer

Nope, I play BO2 and I appreciate the route branching system, but Witcher series has DEEPER route branching than that, as well as the build is not simply "loadout".

>and several of the story decisions you make are done through natural gameplay instead of choosing from a list of dialogue choices

Wrong, the choices in BO2 are only one or two, and they specifically SLOW DOWN or PAUSE the games in order for you to make the choices. It's exactly like dialogue choices in W3, and W3 route branching is not just dialogue choice either. The

>Just because most people consider it to have "set the standard' for RPGs doesn't mean it's good, the standard that most people believe in is incredibly low. Playstyles of the Witcher is developed into build which lasts into the whole game, and not just load-out like CoD either, not sure what you are talking about.

The standard for RPG is very uber slow, with the good games being around 10 at most, and the Witcher series already capture 03. It's worth nothing that RPG has more choices and consequences than fucking Elder's Scroll).

>What these games should have been is pretty much Dragons Dogma with potions and much better writing.

The writing is already much better than Dragon's Dogma. I do not understand the appreciation of Dragon's Dogma on this board, every weapons feel the same, just a continous increase of stat, the magic feels ridiculous, the only thing I like is the ability to grab on monsters, which frankly look ridiculous as well.

>In the games Geralt is just brooding edgy protagonist man.

What the fuck does this mean? Geralt makes joke, he has humor, but he's also edgy in times that's appropriate.

I think you haven't played the Witcher games or you haven't paid any attention and just play the role of a contrarian faggot.

>>15949245

>The writing is already much better than Dragon's Dogma.

The writing and item management are already much better*

>>15949076

>Oy vey goyim, it's just a coincidnce!

Said the faggot who has read neither book series and is too busy sucking (((Witcher))) cock

>>15949253

Please list all the coincidences/similarities.

I think you are just mad that the Witcher game series is actually a success.

>>15949245

>in the game: Geralt ignores all that shit because RPG levels and gay proc unique swords

Fixed. Also your newfag is showing again, I'll spoonfeed you: Batman wins every fight from having prepared meticulously offscreen beforehand, it's a decade old meme you dip. For fucks sake stop posting and lurk.

>>15949275

>spoonfeeding as a way to prove you're totally an oldfag

>>15949275

> Batman wins every fight from having prepared meticulously offscreen beforehand, it's a decade old meme you dip.

I know that, you retard, but the meme is wrong because Batman just goes around punch shit up. Every fucking times. His plan is punching people. He's a dumb comic character like Superman.

>in the game: Geralt ignores all that shit because RPG levels and gay proc unique swords

Wrong, in Deathmarch, you still need alchemy and poison in order to be invincible.

If you play sword ONLY, you are gonna have a challenge.

>>15949253

If I felt up to it I'd make a horseshoe theory maymay with "crippled albino that lives off his gay jewish vampire sword" (Elric) on one side and "Captain Bitchfucker" (Geralt) on the other with the caption "both have white hair and swords, both are bad". In the Sweet Spot middle would be Dante.

>>15943515

I am agree fellow american comrade.

>>15949278

In fact alchemy build is what makes the Witcher game so fucking good.

Outside of Morrowind's outbroken potion crafting, no games ever made alchemy so fucking good.

No need for techniques or magic, just drink a lot of drugs and become god.

>>15949278

I'm playing W3EE with no Quen or bombs and I'm almost done with the whole thing, just mopping up Toussaint, that's as hard as it gets, so I highly doubt I couldn't just swordrape anything in what you played. I am lamenting that it's still possible to do so. I recall having to do more prep in W1 ffs.

>>15942303

Dear God, no. Rico's been cucked enough with the B roll movies to suffer a current day female protagonist and card game based combat.

>>15949297

W1 is incredibly easy actually. You can in fact swordrape in W1 easier than W3 because the swords and stats matter more.

In W3, a sword only build i.e. only basic spell and advanced potion/advanced bomb means a glass cannon that can only do very low damage, a very inefficient way to play.

>>15949261

Why would I give a shit how many copies witcher series sold or not, I'm not a faggot like you

I just find retards like you denying what's so blindingly obvious hilarious

They're all listed in this thread so learn to read you dumb nigger

>>15949310

You mean this:

>White hair

>Crimson eyes

>Uses sword

>Makes potions from herbs to gain strength

>Uses magic

>Deep knowledge of gods and demons

None of these are unique enough to define anybody.

>>15949307

What's hard about pirouetting in, draining stamina on blender mode and pirouetting out? The food covers any damage if you're not sleeping on your dodge button.

>>15949307

>glass cannon

>low damage

You're not old enough to use this board.

>>15949315

The fuck, what difficulty you are playing in?

When you get to level 20 or so, the food can only recover 5hp per second, which is insanely low and will not help you recover your health in time.

>What's hard about pirouetting in, draining stamina on blender mode and pirouetting out?

You are surrounded by multiple dudes/wolves/monsters? You are fighting a fucking griffin or lechen?

>>15949318

So what's the term for weak ass character that deals low damage? Glass knife?

>>15949307

Yes, in general W1 was broken gameplay wise, but near launch it was really buggy and unbalanced and it ended up making it feel like you really had to meditate and chug drugs before the difficulty spikes. This was before they had even retranslated it to English, too, and I think they fixed it all.

>>15949325

Blood and something one is hard, right? I had that and the more enemies/better enemy scaling mod on. Been awhile to be honest. But, yeah, the only fight I had issues with was the first time you encounter that dlc cossack asshole. Otherwise it's the same regardless of what and how much you fight.

It's not really a demanding game you need to numbercrunch or build around when you can outgear and outlevel (even with scaling) anything out there.

>>15949329

Nope, that's Witcher 2.

Witcher 2 beginning is the most fucking difficult by far because of the fact enemies usually surround you and hit you in the butt, which deals extra damage.

Witcher 1 and Witcher 3, you can chug potion anywhere so there's not a problem. But sword-only builds are the hardest and require most input.

>>15949333

It should be on Death March.

>But, yeah, the only fight I had issues with was the first time you encounter that dlc cossack asshole. Otherwise it's the same regardless of what and how much you fight.

I can't agree, there is much harder version of that fight where you fight his shadows, that's one of the hardest boss in the game, that guy's encounter is nothing.

But seriously, the boss fights are not as hard in this game because you can prepare for it beforehands, now suddenly going out your merry way and get gang up by dogs/wolves and you have to react to it on the fly, that's true skill.

>>15949312

Nice opinion, too bad it's objectively wrong.

>>15949336

You know that phase in, charge thing he pulls? Like, charge thru? Messed up with my established routine a bit. Or that's at least the one fight I actually remembered.

>Death March

>one of the hardest boss

>true skill

God, I love what dark souls has done to this generation. More power to you if you're so easily entertained that bullet sponge enemies that simply have 3X HP or whatever work but W3 and skill? Have some class.

>>15949346

>You know that phase in, charge thing he pulls? Like, charge thru? Messed up with my established routine a bit. Or that's at least the one fight I actually remembered.

Yeah, the fight with shadows is one where you can have 03 shadows of him doing that shit, at the same time.

>More power to you if you're so easily entertained that bullet sponge enemies that simply have 3X HP or whatever work but W3 and skill? Have some class.

Skill is whatever when you react to bad situation, nigger. And I play Dark Souls, it's even easier than Witcher 3, and I fucking mean it.

>>15949353

The whole game didn't leave much of an impression one way or the other. The first time he did that in the camp was, wham, 3/4 of your health gone and he's about to hit you five more times. But it's heavily choreographed.

>And I play Dark Souls

It won't make your dick any larger to say that in public. You play games to unwind, to enjoy yourself, not for this… ego faggotry filth. Anon, you fell for a meme.

>>15949378

Well, OK, it made plenty of impressions on me. I still remember the fight with Letho or the vampire in the dock yard.

>It won't make your dick any larger to say that in public. You play games to unwind, to enjoy yourself, not for this… ego faggotry filth. Anon, you fell for a meme.

What? I didn't play Dark Souls because it's hard, I play it because it's a fun game, like Witcher 3.

I don't play games because of difficult or to boast, I play them because they are fun.

>>15949383

Good for you. I mean it.

>no games ever made alchemy so fucking good.

Tried Darklands or Dominus? Arguably the original Pizza Syndicate as well.

>>15949393

I tried Darklands, I like it, but unfortunately the game is so fucking old, it hard to even read shit in the game.

Haven't played Dominus.

>>15949341

Don't know your weebshit but does it just (((coincidentally))) have the nickname of White Wolf, use herbs to make potions to power itself with, and have deep knowledge of demons and gods to make pacts with?

Get a rope and hang yourself. Do the world a favor for once.

>>15949400

>use herbs to make potions to power itself with,

Common in D&D.

>and have deep knowledge of demons and gods to make pacts with?

Geralt knows only of monsters, doesn't do pacts with demons.

>have the nickname of White Wolf

Incredibly common nickname, know of White Wolf the guys behind the Vampire: the Masquerade.

>>15949416

Man, that pic alone is hard to read for me.

>You haven't tried different sharpening options in your emulator?

Makes the game look weird.

>You know that also kills most other recommendations with good alchemy?

It doesn't kill shit, I will continue to try playing these games.

>I'll just say Elric of Melniboné and leave it at that.

Who?

>>15949437

No. I only learn what interests me.

>>15949471

This is a CDPR thread, talk about CDPR contents or get out.

>>15947955

What you're doing here is defending a company who had no intention to make a good videogame, but opted to hide a terrible one behind great graphics and a movie. This concept was forced on them, as much as it was forced on you to defend the total lack of quality when it comes to the basic principle of videogames…interactivity. We, the players, are the centerpiece of videogames, or should be, because our input makes the digital world work. If a game does not let us interact with it, then it's not a videogame. The art form of creating games is based on building a bridge between the work of art and the human being interacting with it. The jews destroyed this deliberately.

>>15948282

I never said Witcher is Elder Scrolls and the "dumbed down with each entry" comment was about Elder Scrolls.

>>15948304

Again, I mentioned so many other games but you chose to jump on me because of Skyrim. This is how much mainstream propaganda has clouded your perception…this orchestrated marketing outrage surrounding the success of Skyrim made people like you triggered by the mere mentioning of it. This is not your fault, but it generates more revenue for them, because you give them more exposure. It's physiological terror against consumers, hidden behind capitalism. Learn to spot this.

Also for the last time…I liked Skyrim for what it was, still an Elder Scrolls game, but I liked Oblivion more and Morrowind more than that. Now ES is largely different from W3 in many aspects, and the only thing I said that it is way more fun/engaging/rewarding to play ES than it is to slog through W3. And now please stop bringing Skyrim up and call me out with Dragon's Dogma, Risen, Gothic, Elex, Divinity, Fable, Two Worlds etc. Which I call vastly superior to W3.

>>15949480

TES games always have shit games with weightless ass weapon and FPS-tier mechanics for a melee game.

None of them have good combat, and you are especially deluded if ANY of them are above Witcher's combat.

The only good TES were Daggerfall (options of what to do, but still hugely bland ass world with lot of copypasting dungeon) and Morrowind (lore and art direction).

Skyrim, Oblivion, whatever, same shitty gameplay, same shitty ass muh chosen one plot. What you do in the game has no effect on the gameworld either, unlike TW3.

>>15949480

And sorry for missing up your last post:

>And now please stop bringing Skyrim up and call me out with Dragon's Dogma, Risen, Gothic, Elex, Divinity, Fable, Two Worlds etc. Which I call vastly superior to W3.

Dragon's Dogma, Risen, Elex, Fable, Two Worlds are NOT superior to the Witcher 3.

Only Gothic can be called to surpass Witcher 3, but only because the world is very built, the actual roleplaying is still less than Witcher 3.

And which Divinity? inb4 all of them Divinity 1 is a Diablo with good story, haven't played the others.

>>15949499

I hate these "Muh True RPG" elitist as they say 90% of RPGs aren't RPGs due to a very small list of requirements.

>>15949499

Been a cool day in hell when there are faggots saying Two Words being vastly superior to TW3.

Jesus christ, it almost makes me want to replay TW3. Start again, cat school build.

>>15949537

How the fuck is OoT a "RPG"?

There's not even stat involved.

>"not a true RPG" list with such gems as Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon, Ogre Battle 64, and Hybrid Heaven (complete with a list detailing exactly why it's not an RPG).

LOL

>>15949540

What is a RPG then?

Tabletop RPG started with stats.

>>15948294

>But you can get stronger and it absolutely fucking shows.

The fighting system is absolutely limited and never changes for the better, so the only thing giving you the feeling of growing are pointless numbers, and enemies that have purposely a higher level than you. Yet these are the same Bandits you already fought, and you will take them down the exact same way you did the last ones…only difference; the numbers are forcing you to level up some more fight a bullet sponge for ten minutes. Now enlarge this terrible experience to 200 hours and you become a suicide candidate.

>Liar, Liar…pants on fire.

I did all the shit, cleaning up all the maps, fighting everything, unlocking all the fast travel points, doing the treasure maps, playing gwent with everyone it would let me…I had so much money so early on that I don't know what to do with it. Also I never bought any weapons or clothes from shops, because fighting an enemy that is stronger than you automatically gives you better loot.

>The caves, the fields, the cities, the villages

Caves are tiny, badly lit, linear as fuck and full of scripted bullshit fights. The only bigger ones, with some sort of Tomb Raider-ish exploration are in the story missions, which are all hand holding you through the movie. The Towns in Fable have more things to do and interact with than the entire W3 settlements. I swear I had to spend 15-20 hours in W3's biggest city to fully complete it, and it never remotely felt like I was exploring anything…just working my way through boring busywork, while be forced to following batman vision all the time. How is it that I have the entire map of San Andreas still in my head, but cannot remember jack shit about W3 cities? And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

>using a trainer and complain

After 50 hours of doing nothing but watching my stamina bar refill. I saw that alleged gameplay mechanic, which isn't fun at all, for thousands of times, and if there is a way to not watch it ten thousand time more then I thankfully do this. The trainer made the boring game better by making it shorter, which makes me a masochist for even enduring it for the next 150 hours. Don't blame me for protecting my sanity from mindless garbage.

>Maybe you just suck at playing video games

What has my ability to play (I finished both W3 and Razor's Edge on the highest difficulty btw) to do with how much I enjoy playing these games?

>Explain this opinion.

Starting from your home village, venturing towards the witch woods and getting your ass kicked by bandits, then crossing the canyon, seeing the fields in front of Grand Soren for the first time, deciding to explore the underground passage to fight or flee from a fucking cave troll and then finally entering the main city…that was a god damn feeling of adventure. And it's only the opening of the game.

The fighting is so entertaining that I cannot enjoy big enemies anymore that won't let me climb them. When I fought dragons in Dragons Age I didn't see the animations of the dragon, that's just graphics, I only saw massive box of bullet sponge that I threw puny attacks against.

The Chimera in DD on the other hand is gameplay pornography…you fight three enemies at once, all entirely different, you can tactically chose which one to destroy and cripple the others with, and you can climb right on top of it and fight it from there. This doesn't even mention the fact that you have up to three individual AI with you that you trained to be specifically good in certain fields. This is unmatched in gaming history and it's so much fun to do.

As for item management…the vocation system and the pawn system combined are super deep for an action RPG, and the fact that the game is so shitty about explaining it makes it exploration and experimentation for itself. There is also a shit ton of loot to carry around, and bartering, and weapons and the entire character editor, which also feeds into item management.

>>15949555

>The fighting system is absolutely limited and never changes for the better, so the only thing giving you the feeling of growing are pointless numbers, and enemies that have purposely a higher level than you.

Yes, it fucking does, you being a level 1 pussy fighter versus a level 35 god is much different, and you literally feel it by killing enemy in one hit and breaking them apart.

>I did all the shit, cleaning up all the maps, fighting everything, unlocking all the fast travel points, doing the treasure maps, playing gwent with everyone it would let me…

Which means what? You still have to manage your inventories and pick what you want, money doesn't matter unless you want to go to the store every minutes because you lack something.

>Also I never bought any weapons or clothes from shops, because fighting an enemy that is stronger than you automatically gives you better loot.

This is wrong, wrong and wrong. Stronger enemies do NOT give up better loot in W3, that's a myth. Good weapons/armor come from treasure chests and crafting.

>Caves are tiny, badly lit, linear as fuck and full of scripted bullshit fights. The only bigger ones, with some sort of Tomb Raider-ish exploration are in the story missions, which are all hand holding you through the movie.

All the cave designs are the same, with some elven ground and water put in, how are they shitty or limited? And badly lit? Light up torch or use the cat's eyes potion, or do you want every caves to be brightly lit?

> The Towns in Fable have more things to do and interact with than the entire W3 settlements.

Wrong. You can actually check this up.

>How is it that I have the entire map of San Andreas still in my head, but cannot remember jack shit about W3 cities? And I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Because you have bad memory? I don't remember jackshit about San Fierro or Las Vegas either, stupid ass cities.

>After 50 hours of doing nothing but watching my stamina bar refill.

The potion is fucking there, why not use the potion? Holy shit, you are bad the game.

>What has my ability to play (I finished both W3 and Razor's Edge on the highest difficulty btw) to do with how much I enjoy playing these games?

Because it seems you suck at vidya, and thus you have a bad time playing them.

>Starting from your home village, venturing towards the witch woods and getting your ass kicked by bandits, then crossing the canyon, seeing the fields in front of Grand Soren for the first time, deciding to explore the underground passage to fight or flee from a fucking cave troll and then finally entering the main city…that was a god damn feeling of adventure. And it's only the opening of the game.

As opposed to the entire beginning of White Orchard, where you visit village, the Black One's garrison then fight the Griffin, then you go the cast of Temeria, that's no adventure, yeah right. Nope, you are being fucking biased.

>The Chimera in DD on the other hand is gameplay pornography…you fight three enemies at once, all entirely different, you can tactically chose which one to destroy and cripple the others with, and you can climb right on top of it and fight it from there.

How is that pornography? How is that different from fighting a group of wolves or ghouls in the Witcher where you choose which one to destroy first?

>The fighting is so entertaining that I cannot enjoy big enemies anymore that won't let me climb them.

The climbing is only good part of DD, and it was fucking stupid looking.

>This doesn't even mention the fact that you have up to three individual AI with you that you trained to be specifically good in certain fields. This is unmatched in gaming history and it's so much fun to do.

Yeah, three bad fucking AI that repeat shit over and over again, UNMATCHED in game's history please.

>As for item management…the vocation system and the pawn system combined are super deep for an action RPG,

That's not ITEM management. Vocation system is not DEEP, it's literally a class system with a bunch of skills. Witcher has the same and more.

>There is also a shit ton of loot to carry around, and bartering, and weapons and the entire character editor, which also feeds into item management.

>and the fact that the game is so shitty about explaining it makes it exploration and experimentation for itself.

That's a fucking con. Confusion does not good game design make.

>There is also a shit ton of loot to carry around, and bartering, and weapons and the entire character editor, which also feeds into item management.

Which matter jack because EVERY weapons in DD belong to the two types with different stats, it matter jack what weapon you choose, just choose the most damaging weapon.

Item management UI is fucking terrible too.

Meanwhile, I collect herb, craft potion and throw bomb in Witcher 3. Match that.

>>15947751

Actually they were killed in a jewish ritual murder.

>>15947751

>the czar and his family were killed by Russians

>Lenin and Trotsky were Russians

>>>/out/

>>>/leftypol/

>>15941918

Hi CDPR. I think you're a bunch of spineless degenerates who keep bending over backwards for perpetually offended leftist faggots who will NEVER purchase your products.

>>15949493

>TES games always have shit games with weightless ass weapon and FPS-tier mechanics for a melee game.

What other action RPG's in the same time frame were better than the Elder Scrolls entries?

>None of them have good combat

It's fun to play, millions of fans agree to this for decades (ignore the Skyrim fans), it's what made the games so successful. Why? Because it gives the player a variety to chose from. W3 gives you Alzheimer. My point still stands…the first enemy falls to the same inputs as the final boss. That's not fun. Chugging fireballs like a god, hiding in the bushes to shoot arrows like a bitch or walking up to a dragon to smash an axe into his groin like a chad, all in the same fight, is what I call fun.

One example from W3…in one mission you come into a ransacked village where a vampire killed everyone and disappeared into the well. That's all been told to you by a movie. When you, the player with the controller in hand, step into this village you immediately see the well but cannot interact with it or jump down it. Instead they force you to use batman vision to follow stupid bloodtrails from house to house, reading more boring exposition while you watch mangled bodies you cannot interact with, then more batman vision, more trails to follow, more alleged clues that gives you the illusion of solving some sort of case, until you're finally given the permission to enter the well and fight the boring vampire bitch and collect your loot. This is not gameplay, this is not respecting the player, this is not interactivity, this is not in line with creating art for human beings…what this is, is spitting in the face of the history of videogames, mocking the intelligence of the player, and teaching children to be dumb as fuck. And then we have people like you who would defend such a blasphemy.

You're a sentient being, you were created to strive for perfection, to build on the achievements of your forefathers…not to be subverted into a coward who protects the deliberate shortcomings of a product. the entire marketing is designed around hiding obvious flaws away from you and the concept of console wars (which was once childish jealousy) was deliberately corrupted into you defending your idols from (deserved) scorn. Why do you think every game release for the last decade, sparked wars of defenders and accusers inside the gaming communities?

>And which Divinity?

Play Divinity II now. It's fantastic. Be aware that there are two version and both are slightly different from each other, but still worth playing.

>>15949604

Put me in the screencap

>>15949566

It's literally dumped down Oblivion, which is severely dumped down Morrowind…why don't you attack those? Does it maybe have anything to do with hundred of millions of dollars worth of marketing that forced the latest title in your view? Do you think, that you as an individual can withstand this kind of physiological attack?

Things not JUST happen in this world. It's always by design.

>>15949569

>you literally feel it by killing enemy in one hit

So going back to the wolves you fought 20 hours ago, while skipping 90% of the fighting you did beforehand, gives you a feeling of progress? Doesn't work for me. Sorry.

>Stronger enemies do NOT give up better loot in W3

I walked into a big over leveled bandit camp, tricked the AI like I always do, defeated the leader, grabbed his sword, and now have a super weapon I'm not allowed to use (because numbers prevent sword fighters from using them apparently). Doing this somehow tells the engine that having a great weapon in your possession makes other enemies drop better gear. Do you know why I do this? Because the game doesn't give me freedom so I find ways to trick it into giving it to me. That is for me more fun then pretending to enjoy the restricted freedom they set in front of me.

>why not use the potion? Holy shit, you are bad the game.

Why would I replace a boring animation with another one, when the repetitiveness of interactivity is my main complain about it?

>it seems you suck at vidya, and thus you have a bad time playing them.

But I loved NG and finished it multiple times, without any trainer, without complaining, and without feeling bored. I still suck at many other types of games, but i still enjoy them. W3 is just shit made by restrictive agendas instead of building something for the player. Why is it that I finished W2 without any big complains, without resorting to a trainer, without being crushed by a scope of boredom, without dreading to fight enemies?

>As opposed to the entire beginning of White Orchard, where you visit village, the Black One's garrison then fight the Griffin, then you go the cast of Temeria

And how much of this you sitting there watching a movie while the pad is resting in your lap, or you holding the left stick forward while gazing at muh environment graphics? In DD I fought enemies all the fucking way and learned that wolves always hunt in packs. And I was engaged in full control all the time.

>How is that pornography?

Because it challenges me, the player, all at ones at the same time with so many different possibilities to act. And that's just one enemy. I was smiling harder than a pedo on a playground while playing this for the first time.

Now compare this to the copy + paste wolves you fight 200 times thought W3. It wasn't fun the first time, the loot is shit and tried to avoid them as much as possible later on. I did like getting thrown off the horse tho.

>it was fucking stupid looking

Your Momma, dude. What other action RPG did this? It was fresh, it was build on existing gameplay, and it perfectly fit into the movement. This is evolution right here. You should be celebrating these game designers in a world so robbed of creativity. Instead you try to make a point for a copy + paste nightmare.

>three bad fucking AI that repeat shit over and over again

It was clumsy and clunky , but it also was a totally new concept on how to handle AI. And you can not only sit down with them and tell them what to do, but also doing shit yourself and letting them mimic you while fighting. What other game had this?

>That's not ITEM management.

opening a menu and spending time within while being somewhat intellectually challenged is what I call item management. Pressing a button to auto generate a potion is not. Swiping a sword from the right to the left is not.

>I collect herb

You pressed A when they told you to do it

>craft potion

You pressed another button to automatically make you stronger, because muh alchemy.

>throw bomb

And here comes "limited advantage to shorten the tedious fight"- button Nr. 3

Meanwhile in DD I deck a Griffin with fire arrows, while rolling and dodging archers and goblins, watch my magic pawn summon a fucking tornado, use another pawn as a kick start to jump onto the Griffin, climb his back while he's flying away with me, and finally bring him down with a thousand poisoned dagger steps, while crashing into the ground. And my hands where at the controller all the time, no batman vision, no disruptive movie afterwards, no out of control camera movements for cinematic feeling. Nothing, just grabbing the loot and marching into the next inferno…side by side with my half naked loli pawn. FUCK YOU GERALD, BECAUSE I AM THE ARISEN.

>>15949707

>So going back to the wolves you fought 20 hours ago, while skipping 90% of the fighting you did beforehand, gives you a feeling of progress? Doesn't work for me. Sorry.

That's progress. You get stronger and it shows. If you don't accept that, you are fucking wrong.

>I walked into a big over leveled bandit camp, tricked the AI like I always do, defeated the leader, grabbed his sword, and now have a super weapon I'm not allowed to use (because numbers prevent sword fighters from using them apparently).

You don't have a fucking super weapon, that sword is just a bit more leveled up, the witcher gear and unique sword are always, always better.

>Do you know why I do this? Because the game doesn't give me freedom so I find ways to trick it into giving it to me. That is for me more fun then pretending to enjoy the restricted freedom they set in front of me.

You do this because you are a masochist, there's no freedom in tricking AI, anybody can do that shit, me included. There's a mod to remove the level cap, and surprises, it doesn't change jackshit. Weapon stats do not matter, special effects (such as burn, bleed, poison) do.

>Why would I replace a boring animation with another one, when the repetitiveness of interactivity is my main complain about it?

What fucking boring animation? Drinking a potion is a boring animation now? The fuck?

>But I loved NG and finished it multiple times, without any trainer, without complaining, and without feeling bored.

Which means you are good at NG but suck at Witcher 3, it's not news.

>W3 is just shit made by restrictive agendas instead of building something for the player.

How exactly is it restrictive?

>Why is it that I finished W2 without any big complains, without resorting to a trainer, without being crushed by a scope of boredom, without dreading to fight enemies?

Because you have a bad opinion in vidya in general? Witcher 2 is MUCH more limited than Witcher 3.

>And how much of this you sitting there watching a movie while the pad is resting in your lap,

None, you move, you fight in all of those.

>In DD I fought enemies all the fucking way and learned that wolves always hunt in packs. And I was engaged in full control all the time.

So? The same for the Witcher. In DD, you are just a killfest, you didn't adventure jack fucking shit, how is this any different than any Diablo game where you venture out of the city?

>Because it challenges me, the player, all at ones at the same time with so many different possibilities to act.

How does it challenge you? The chimera requires NO SKILL to kill, it just requires you to spam skill and have good weapon, which is ALL DD are.

>Your Momma, dude. What other action RPG did this?

I admit this is true, but it's still fucking stupid looking.

>It was fresh, it was build on existing gameplay, and it perfectly fit into the movement.

So you can grab into mountain in DD and just climb up? Can you?

>It was clumsy and clunky , but it also was a totally new concept on how to handle AI.

How? You give AI command to do shit. This has been present in fucking RPG with ANY AI companion before.

>opening a menu and spending time within while being somewhat intellectually challenged is what I call item management.

That's not fucking item management. Crafting a potion, choosing a gear, applying oil, deciding what is weight vs value, THAT is item management. Fiddling around bad menu is NOT item management.

>Meanwhile in DD I deck a Griffin with fire arrows

You push a button to do it.

>while rolling and dodging archers and goblins,

Also push a button.

>watch my magic pawn summon a fucking tornado

Watching, how nice.

>use another pawn as a kick start to jump onto the Griffin

Also push another button.

>And my hands where at the controller all the time

As opposed to? My hands are always on the keyboard anytime.

>Nothing, just grabbing the loot and marching into the next inferno…side by side with my half naked loli pawn.

Literally fucking Diablo allows you to do this.

>FUCK YOU GERALD, BECAUSE I AM THE ARISEN.

You are a fucking voice-less, personality less PC, you retard ass.

>>15949604

>What other action RPG's in the same time frame were better than the Elder Scrolls entries?

Gothic 1+2.

>Why? Because it gives the player a variety to chose from.

Variety being a melee fighter, an archer, a mage. That's it. W3 gives you those options too, and alchemy despite being less outbroken actually works well more.

>When you, the player with the controller in hand, step into this village you immediately see the well but cannot interact with it or jump down it

Well, you can actually jump down and skipping ahead of the quest, so you are a fucking liar.

>This is not gameplay, this is not respecting the player, this is not interactivity, this is not in line with creating art for human beings…what this is, is spitting in the face of the history of videogames

It's called INVESTIGATION, you retard ass. Compare that to ANY TES games where you are given a clue, come on the designated space, talk to somebody, kill some shit, get reward, that spits in your fucking progression.

> Why do you think every game release for the last decade, sparked wars of defenders and accusers inside the gaming communities?

Because of people like you, who can't tell a good game if it spanks you in the fucking ass.

>You're a sentient being, you were created to strive for perfection, to build on the achievements of your forefathers…not to be subverted into a coward who protects the deliberate shortcomings of a product.

The fuck? You are protecting TES while badmouthing one of the best RPG series of the decades.

>Play Divinity II now. It's fantastic.

I start it a bit, but the myth looks too cartoony to me.

>>15949707

>pad

And who the fuck plays Witcher 3 on console?

Jesus christ, this is a consolenigger right there.

>>15949761

>You get stronger and it shows

No. It shows you a number and you associate it with progress. In reality you face the under leveled wolf and are now being spared from using the same attack patterns over and over again. Instead you clip him in one hit, thinking "thank god for time saved"…now lets face the next tedious enemy in line to go through the very same process again.

>there's no freedom in tricking AI

Breaking the game is sometimes the only way to enjoying the game…ask millions of autistic gamers. Why? Because I do something myself, in a game that restricts my freedom.

>Drinking a potion is a boring animation now?

Seeing it 10k times sure sounds like so much fun…mindless repetition is destruction of mind.

>suck at Witcher 3

I beat it, had no problems at all, was rather easy actually. Remember when W2 throws you directly into some arena where you can easily die at the beginning? W3 in it's entirety wasn't as challenging as this short intro moment. And don't get me started on Witcher 1, I remember dying lots in there.

>How exactly is it restrictive

Reread my vampire well example. The entire game is designed around following specific paths. And if you ignore it, you can't find anything, since there are no indication as to what to look for.

>Witcher 2 is MUCH more limited

But it's condensed. Everything kinda worked in harmony with each other because it doesn't overstepped the lines of what the player wants to do. It was just the right amount of story gameplay, exploration, scope, interactivity to make it an enjoyable experience. Clearing the maps in W3 will tear your soul apart of agonizing boredom.

>you fight in all of those

But the fighting sucks.

>can grab into mountain

Haha, that's where the chimera comes into play. 3 different enemies on one body, one of them throws you off, the other is vulnerable to you and the last has the ability to attack you even better. That's fucking tits. Now look at Gerald standing at the left or right leg of this massive dragon doing his tedious fighting routines. I mean even chipping away at DD's "online" boss was tolerable because the movement and attack variety was so fun to play with.

>This has been present in fucking RPG with ANY AI companion before.

This is an action RPG, not Baldurs Gate. Being able to sit down with AI morons, telling them to do more wizard shit and then seeing them later on getting destroyed while struggling to channel some spell out in the open is kinda unmatched. Sure it's a very basic system, but seeing it all playing it out in front of you, based on your direct actions, is worthy of praise.

>Crafting a potion

literally one button press

>choosing a gear

At what point what this ever needed? How many times did you get hit on average, anon? Just roll away.

>applying oil

>Another button pressed while your brain is on shutdown

>You push a button to do it.

Yes, while being on the run, rolling around and positioning myself to let loose my arrow. W3 doesn't even had meaningful interactivity between enemy factions.

>Also push a button.

How do you roll and dodge away with one button? Not only did you use your stick for positioning, and the button for the dodge command, you are also actively using your head to make it happen. W3 is just waiting to be allowed to play.

>Watching, how nice.

Have you seen a Maelstrom in action? You see jack shit, enemies are flying around you and if you put your little princess nose too close you gonna get washmachine-ed.

>Also push another button.

You have wait for him to make it possible, then get the chance to run to him, and then manage to actually hit the flying target.

>My hands are always on the keyboard anytime.

I jerked of a lot during W3 while watching porn or TV shows at a second screen, but I guess multi tasking isn't your strong suit.

>Diablo

Now what has Diablo to do with W3? And be careful how you answer because Blizzard fags have their knives already out.

>voice-less, personality less PC

Nah, I made this hunk of shit into something by the way Capcom's designer let me play him, while you seem to be happy enough to babysit Gerald towards retirement.

>>15942059

Implying skyrim was good.

>>15949846

>No. It shows you a number and you associate it with progress.

Nope, I kill the same wolf I have trouble against 20 hours back in one hit, that's fucking progress. My character is getting stronger, that's progress.

>Breaking the game is sometimes the only way to enjoying the game…ask millions of autistic gamers. Why? Because I do something myself, in a game that restricts my freedom.

Again, that's no freedom, you are tricking retard. Actual freedom is applying the mod, but it changes jack.

>Seeing it 10k times sure sounds like so much fun…

Hmm, I do not think I drink potion 10K in the Witcher 3.

>I beat it, had no problems at all, was rather easy actually.

I don't believe you considering you use a trainer.

>Remember when W2 throws you directly into some arena where you can easily die at the beginning?

Yes, W2 is the most difficult of the game, because of the buggy dodging mechanics and the fact the enemy can hit you in the back for 2x damages.

>And don't get me started on Witcher 1, I remember dying lots in there.

That just means you suck actually. W1 is a stat game, have good stats and you are okay.

>Reread my vampire well example.

Your vampire well example is wrong, retard. You can and always jump straight into the well.

>But it's condensed. Everything kinda worked in harmony with each other because it doesn't overstepped the lines of what the player wants to do.

This is your fucking opinion, Witcher 2 was the least free of the trilogy, with only Act 1 and Act 2 being big and Act 3 being just one city.

>But the fighting sucks.

Another fucking opinion, which sucks.

>Haha, that's where the chimera comes into play.

So can you grab into mountain and climb? No, you can't. Environment interaction my arse.

>This is an action RPG, not Baldurs Gate. Being able to sit down with AI morons, telling them to do more wizard shit and then seeing them later on getting destroyed while struggling to channel some spell out in the open is kinda unmatched.

That's exactly you do in EVERY AI RPG games, I have this shit in fucking VTM: Redemption too, retarded AI companions are NOT a boon.

>literally one button press

Nope, you think what potion, gear, oil to apply before you press that button. That's where the intelligence come in.

>Yes, while being on the run, rolling around and positioning myself to let loose my arrow.

That's literally the fucking way you roll in TW3. Roll in TW3 is bad either ways, dodge is better because you can roll straight into enemy in TW3 and there's no invincibility during roll.

>Have you seen a Maelstrom in action?

Seen again.

>You have wait for him to make it possible, then get the chance to run to him, and then manage to actually hit the flying target.

So wait, and push button, nice.

>I jerked of a lot during W3 while watching porn or TV shows at a second screen, but I guess multi tasking isn't your strong suit.

What the fuck? I guess I can hold my fucking attention when I play game.

>Now what has Diablo to do with W3?

It has to do with Dragon's Dogma. Killfest, looting EPIC loot with AI companion, that's Diablo.

>Nah, I made this hunk of shit into something by the way Capcom's designer let me play him

Which is what? Kill shit and kill more shit?

>while you seem to be happy enough to babysit Gerald towards retirement.

Yeah that's fucking alright. I play Geralt for 03 fucking games, he fucking earns that.

>>15942059

How in the fucking hell is the Witcher Skyrim?

You think anything open world is Skyrim now?

Why is /v/ so fucking shit?

>>15949766

>Gothic 1+2

In some ways definitely. They also had a direct rivalry going until money won.

>W3 gives you those options too

And my god was it boring to use them.

>Well, you can actually jump down and skipping ahead of the quest, so you are a fucking liar.

Really? I'm pretty sure I tried to interact with the ladder, but wasn't allowed to do so until I did my busywork of following cookies. And I remember that because it annoyed me early on and was a constant feature all through the game.

>Compare that to ANY TES

Which are not designed around this. there it's just another thing to do kill some time and have fun. W3 is designed around a movie. 100 hours of total non interactivity. All the shitty gameplay I try to deconstruct in front of you is just an afterthought, that is riddled with even more restrictions to the player. Like I just was forced to watch 20 minutes of story, why do they force me to slow walk/ride behind the AI afterwards? And all of these nitpicks are repeated over a course of 200 hours, from which I already saw everything of in the first 20.

>Because of people like you, who can't tell a good game if it spanks you in the fucking ass.

So all is well in the gaming industry then? Well good to hear that I'm gonna jump into Fortnight right now. Yippee…micropayments! Nigger, that's awesome (gets banned for hatespeech)

>You are protecting TES

Enjoyed it for decades, saw it getting dumbed down into kiddie shit. Going backwards playing ES is still great, ask the millions of fans (again ignore Skyrim crowd like the plague)

>badmouthing one of the best RPG series of the decades

Action RPG. Baldur's Gate games are RPG's. Action Rpg's are already dumbed down versions for the console generations, who are not allowed to use their brains anymore. Give them Ultima, watch them suicide. Also Witcher had potential, but W3 killed this with being entertainment trash.

>looks too cartoony to me

It's literally early Gothic graphics (ugly). What's so good about it is that it starts terribly and then gets better and better until the point where a new concept suddenly changes the entire gameplay. It's also unfair.

They're a bunch of cucks. A digrace to Poland. They're supposed to be 'based', yet they added feminst dykes that surpass men and POC's to Witcher. Cyberpunk is gonna be so pozzed it'll make Faggot Age Ciquisition look like conservative propaganda.

>>15949909

There's literally one faction of arab nigger in Witcher and you kill all except one merchant and smith.

And nope, feminist dykes get beaten by Geralt in the game, every fucking game.

>>15949832

What do I need a keyboard for Witcher 3? The only time I used it was while doing other things while being forced to not play the game in favor of yet another long ass movie. Your better doing the jewtube watching thing than "playing" this fluffed up piece of trash.

>>15949868

Action RPG. It's even more about interactivity instead of using the marble in your skull. And if if a game isn't focused to make this part engaging, then it's a freaking torture to do these monotonous and repetitive actions for 200 hours just to see the end of a 100 hour movie. Accepting this as meaningful time to enjoy yourself is exactly what they try to sell to you. Because it makes them more money for less work. Never says yes to getting less.

>>15949922

So what's the problem with this?

Geralts beats her fucking ass.

>>15949928

Nitpicking.

>>15949916

>What do I need a keyboard for Witcher 3?

More hotkeys, easier dialog manipulation.

There's literally no reason to use a pad for Witcher 3.

>It's even more about interactivity instead of using the marble in your skull.

This is funny thing, there's more interactivity in the world of Witcher than Dragon's Dogma.

Dragon's Dogma, like Dark Souls, are basically killfest. If you like to kill, then they are good games. If you don't, big welp.

Quests in DD are some of the barebone bullshit ever.

Morrowind sucks. I remember one quest I had to do for a guild or something it was "get this sword from something-borrow". Now the questgiver gave me 0 directions on how to actually get there, literally nothing, as if I was already supposed to know that place.

Then I opened the quest log to that quest, and the name was highlighted. When I clicked on it the new page said something along the lines of "that is where you are supposed to get the sword from".

Now take Gothic II for example, where people actually give you directions according to the lay of the land (for example when that pirate tells you where to find Dexter, or when someone describes where they hunted an orc near the town). Now that is actually how it is supposed to be done.

And before someone strawmans the hell out of my argument, just let me say that I don't want arrows and quest markers, but actually good design. It is the lack of good design that led TES to the quest markers because it's easier to put a big fucking arrow on the map instead of writing good dialogue (also less voice lines)

>>15949880

>I do not think I drink potion 10K

Doesn't the game have statistics? Thing is it's not real gameplay, it's not fun to do, it's endlessly reused, and it's just a tiny part of countless other mechanics that are doing the very same thing…preventing you from playing. It adds up to you wasting your time not doing what is fun…now what's wrong with this statement when applied to the term videogames? Think about it…you chose games as a hobby to have fun that real life doesn't give you. So why would you accept something that isn't fun? Furthermore why would you spend so much time defending yourself having fun with it?

>considering you use a trainer

To not waste any more time, not to cheat myself through bosses and such.

>because of the buggy dodging mechanics and the fact the enemy can hit you in the back for 2x damages.

Fault or not, this is how we perceive it as a player. It makes us think about ways to beat it. that's what a game should be doing.

>W1 is a stat game, have good stats and you are okay.

I take your word for it. I beat it at release and never again. Wasn't really blown away by it. And 2 was console shit but still better the most of the competition, so I enjoyed it thanks to that.

>the least free

Repetitiveness is not freedom. The Darkness has a fully connected open world that was so condensed that it worked. On a bigger scope I would bring up The Saboteur, which felt great to liberate the huge map. W3 robbed me of the joy to do any of it's tasks. I just wanted to see how it plays out.

>I guess I can hold my fucking attention when I play game

What do you need attention for "watching" W3? Story was good, but like I'm older then 12 so it didn't really told me anything new.

>Killfest, looting EPIC loot with AI companion

Diablo is fantastic, but it's a isometric, one button hack n' slash. That can't be compared with 3rd person action RPG's.

>Which is what?

I quote the marketing kikes "making your own adventure". It just felt great to explore and fight in that world, even if it was flawed as hell in nearly all aspects.

>he fucking earns that

Yeah, he's cool. He has seen shit.

Last beacon of light among all the shitty companies. If cyberpunk 2077 is going to be trash they royally fuck themselfs over.

>>15949972

>Doesn't the game have statistics?

Nope, I don't think it counts the potion you drink.

>Thing is it's not real gameplay, it's not fun to do, it's endlessly reused

Nigger, drinking potion to buff you is you play the Witcher, it's how Witcher fucking fight. But if you don't drink potion, fine. Just play without it.

>To not waste any more time, not to cheat myself through bosses and such.

The time you waste searching for a trainer and then apply it is better spent drinking a fucking potion to give you infinite stamina at night or a werewolf decoction.

>Fault or not, this is how we perceive it as a player. It makes us think about ways to beat it. that's what a game should be doing.

Game is about fun, if players keep getting killed for retarded reason, that's not fun.

> On a bigger scope I would bring up The Saboteur, which felt great to liberate the huge map.

Haven't played the Darkness but Saboteur is a definite chore because the shooting is shit and I straight out HATE the story.

>What do you need attention for "watching" W3? Story was good, but like I'm older then 12 so it didn't really told me anything new.

The fuck? W3 is incredibly complex and you need attention in order to get what the fuck is going on, unless you just mindlessly follow the markers.

>Diablo is fantastic, but it's a isometric, one button hack n' slash. That can't be compared with 3rd person action RPG's.

How? It's the same shit, it's your adventure, go and kill shit.

>I quote the marketing kikes "making your own adventure". It just felt great to explore and fight in that world, even if it was flawed as hell in nearly all aspects.

You explore and kill, and kill some more. That's why I get tired of games like Dark Souls and DD. All that GOOD kill cannot make up for a soulless, liveless world.

>>15949974

Most of Morrowind quests are unironically go there, kill that character.

Cucked sellouts. I see the same thing happening to them that happened to rockstar.

>>15949974

no I'm not.. at least for that particular quest. I remember it because it really stuck out to me how

>>15949913

Yeah, but said to be the best, and better than men. Like that bitch in NOT Sweden that you're supposed to select as the new leader, or all those warrior women, or the master black smith being a human woman instead of a dwarf. It's pure SJW pozz.

>>15949928

She beat all the other men and was the next strongest fighter in all the land. Pure strong womyn equality SJW fantasy bullshit.

>>15950016

Was it one of the daedric gods that gave you the quest?

>>15950029

no, I'm pretty sure it was for one guild or another. The actual place was a mound in some darkish mountainous wasteland, but that's all I remember from it because it was a long time ago.

>>15950021

>capable women is now SJW poz

>>15950042

In today's market? Yeah pretty much.

>>15950046

Thats quite the fallacy.

>>15950021

Nobody fucking says she's the best or even better than men.

If anything she has a victim complex and Geralt told her straight out.

>>15950026

Nope, just Touissant, which actually has a culture of white knight.

>>15950042

Women can't compete with men. Why do you think there are separate leagues for everything, even non-physical games like chess. It's pure /trannypol/ bullshit to have a bunch of le stronk women trouncing men left and right.

>>15950061

It's just literally one and she disguises himself as a man.

>>15947708

I give Bethesda shit all the time because of how downhill everything went since skyrim

but I still enjoyed vanilla for around 100 hours on console and then a couple more hundred modded on PC

it's great as a singleplayer Garrys Mod and I got a lot more out of the custom content that wasn't made by Bethesda

but I still enjoyed and played that game more than I did with any witcher game

fallout 4s q different story though

I'm too bored to play after the first scripted deathclaw fight and not even mods can save that mess

spent 20 hours on that game in total, got it as a gift and I still feel ripped off

>>15950070

I think you might have bad taste.

I drop Skyrim right at the moment when every towns have a copypaste quest.

Like, same fucking quest, just different NPC names.

>>15950051

Not really, the vast majority of female characters, especially when they happen to take a strong role nowadays are blatant pandering to the media's infatuation with women and leftist culture. Its pretty safe to assume that if a women competes with a man in a story, its to appeal to said crowd.

The witcher has always been a mediocre series.

>>15950079

I agree that the main thing wrong with bethesda's games now are the randomly generated quests that involved "go to location X and kill Y number of enemies and/or collect [spawned item]" it's the main thing that turned me off of fallout 4

the worst part about them is the NPCs won't talk about the quests/mention where you need to go, they just say "i need you to do this" then the directions appear in your quest log

I preferred the handcrafted quests in oblivion and morrowind and spent way more hours in those games unmodded

but even then I prefer skyrim over the witcher

the witcher games just felt like overdone fable games

>>15950079

wow radiant ai/quests, what an innovation, you can play forever! dont you just love it?

>>15950112

In that regard Fallout 4 and Skyrim are exactly the same. So either you are lying or its something else.

Really you have no argument because you swallow dogshit gameplay of TES games and then saying their issue is written whiles shitting on Witcher that has infinitely better quests than every TES game.

>>15950079

>>15950112

>>15950070

>This atrocious formatting

Please return to reddit you gay niggers.

>>15950131

at least it's not the witcher where you get ending 1, 2 or 3 based on 4 choices or so throughout the entire game and all other choices are meaninglessness and have no impact

if I wanted a game with choices I'd play Fallout New Vegas

if I wanted a fantasy game with good combat I'd play dark souls 1/2

>>15943569

The only place where I like (((modernized))) story is in a CyberPunk dystopia.

>>15950142

>ending 1, 2 or 3 based on 4 choices

That's for Ciri, but it has the new Vegas style slideshow of things based on other choices you make, like who wins the war or what happens to Roche's guys.

>>15949245

And TW isn't normal fantasy bullshit? I hope you're not one of those people that thinks the GoT-knockoff shit in TW2 and part of TW3 was actually good, TW's setting is almost as "normal fantasy bullshit" as Dragon Age.

The invisible choice in BO2 I was referring to is the one where you have to execute the antagonist with a sniper. If they presented it as an explicit choice you would be suspicious because why would they give you a choice to kill this obviously evil guy and you'd likely not kill him, but since it's in regular gameplay you don't even know that there is a choice and only the most perceptive of players will think about it.

Choice and consequence does not make an RPG, if it did then choose your own adventure games would be RPGs. RPGs are about ROLE PLAYING, as in putting yourself in the mindset of a character and acting as they would. You don't put yourself in the mindset of Geralt and roleplay him, you just choose whatever options you think will have the best consequences. You also have very little ability to affect the kind of character Geralt is, you can either be blunt Geralt or a slightly more considerate Geralt, that's it.

>Dragons Dogma

The writing is somewhat better than Dragons Dogma only due to the fact that DD is horribly unfinished. The main idea of DD's plot and the prose are much better but hardly anything is fleshed out. I wasn't trying to say DD had better writing, I was saying that TW SHOULD have had much better writing than DD and took inspiration from its gameplay. The RPG mechanics of DD are basic too, I was referring to the way the combat works. Just because it looks ridiculous doesn't mean its bad, it's a much deeper system than TW's combat and you feel like the monsters you're fighting are living beasts rather than videogame enemies. And if we're talking about meaningless number upgrades to weapons that don't feel different from one another, TW is the far bigger culprit. At least DD has a bunch of fleshed out weapon types, in TW you are all but required to use the same swords for the whole game (yes I know there's some other weapons but you clearly aren't intended to use them to the same extent).

>edgy Geralt

Yes he makes jokes which just makes him more generic, he is the ultimate self-insert marty stu: a broody suave cool dark clever handsome womanizer. Have you read the books? Autistic Geralt is much more distinct and interesting.

>>15949499

Are CYOA games RPGs now?

>>15949541

>>15949548

An RPG is literally a game where you roleplay. Choice and consequence and stats are useful for role playing but they themselves are not role playing. In order to roleplay the game must encourage/enable you to put yourself in the mindset of your character as you make decisions. This is why The Sims is one of the best roleplaying games despite not really having much in the way of stats and zero quests. You are heavily encouraged to make distinct and interesting characters then have them act according to the personalities you've made for them. You might have one of them do something that's really dumb and shortsighted because that's the kind of person they are. You can also play these games without roleplaying by attempting to minmax and do nothing other than beat the game, you can also roleplay in a non-RPG but there won't be a lot of in-game elements that encourage you. For example, you can roleplay as a crazy dude in Halo multiplayer and say all sorts of nonsense over voice chat but outside of that and some teamkilling there isn't a lot of ways for you to express your character.

Other examples of games with a lot of roleplaying:

>Daggerfall

>Dorf Fort and its adventure mode

>SS13

>most GSGs/4X.

Examples of "RPGs" with little to no roleplaying:

>The Witcher

>Diablo and its clones

>Mass Effect

>most JRPGs

>>15950238

>the GoT-knockoff shit in TW2 and part of TW3 was actually good

Not that anon, but i found it one of the more interesting parts of it, yes.

>>15950157

>DS' combat is very much the same as the Witcher's only slower.

Are you retarded? They're completely different, both in how they control and the actual mechanics. DS combat is clearly nothing like Witcher 1 combat, so we're ignoring that one. Witcher 2 combat has more in common with the Bamham games, not surprisingly as the devs mentioned that as the inspiration, than it does with DS combat. The only similarity here is that both have light and heavy attacks, though in DS they're typically entirely different moves meant for different situations (such as a long ranged poke instead of a horizontal slash) rather than just slower, stronger attacks.

>>15950238

>And TW isn't normal fantasy bullshit?

No, it isn't. Not with political intrigue.

> hope you're not one of those people that thinks the GoT-knockoff shit in TW2 and part of TW3 was actually good

It was present since TW1 and it was good, faggot, the bastardizing of Radovid's character not wisthstanding.

>The invisible choice in BO2 I was referring to is the one where you have to execute the antagonist with a sniper.

I know what you mean and there's nothing fucking smart about that. In fact, you have no fucking idea of what you were doing in that mission, and shooting the leg was fucking buggy.

>but since it's in regular gameplay you don't even know that there is a choice and only the most perceptive of players will think about it.

Bullshit, that was NOT regular gameplay.

>You also have very little ability to affect the kind of character Geralt is, you can either be blunt Geralt or a slightly more considerate Geralt, that's it.

Nope, I can have Geralt as a complete white knight, or I have Geralt as a complete dead beat father who never care for anything but money. The fact you say this means you have no fucking idea what consequences you have.

>The main idea of DD's plot and the prose are much better but hardly anything is fleshed out.

The PROSE of DD are NOT better than the Witcher. It sounds like grandiose but the actual writing of DD is generic bullshit, it makes sense that they later turn it into an MMO because that's exactly what DD play like.

>it's a much deeper system than TW's combat and you feel like the monsters you're fighting are living beasts rather than videogame enemies

No, it fucking doesn't. It's literally spam skill: the video game. Skills don't matter, only stats matter, big number. No matter how skillfull you are, you are DEAD or face an incredibly 1 hour fight if you fight one of the Elder cyclops at low level. And no, your creatures do not feel like living beasts, they have no habitat, no lore, no quirk, only serve as lumbering piece of shit that you climb on.

>At least DD has a bunch of fleshed out weapon types,

No, they don't. There's dagger, longsword, and there's greatsword, short and longbow and magic. That's fucking it. That's all the styles it boil down to. And some don't even feel different enough, like longbow just being bigger shortbow, and greatsword/greatmace being heavy piece of shit that are unrealistic.

>in TW you are all but required to use the same swords for the whole game

Yes you do, but the stats of the sword vary, and there are 02 fighting styles, light and heavy, that can be combined with crossbow, bomb, magic. It got variety.

>Autistic Geralt is much more distinct and interesting.

It's the same fucking Geralt, you retard, he just grows a bit, with some fucking humor. You have no idea what Gary Tsu self-insert is.

>>15950267

Witcher 2 combat is NOTHING like the Bamham games.

The Bamham games are about QTE bullshit where you wait the enemy to attack then hit the parry button.

Witcher 2 is about hack and dodge, hack and dodge.

And no, Witcher 2 has no heavy attack. Witcher 3 is the one with heavy attack, and heavy attack plays completely different and out of tune since they are slower.

>>15950262

I hate faggot who think political intrigue means GoT.

I fucking hate that.

Faggot will say LOTR rip off GOT if they adapt it nowadays.

>>15950142

>at least it's not the witcher where you get ending 1, 2 or 3 based on 4 choices or so throughout the entire game and all other choices are meaninglessness and have no impact

Choices have either direct impacts or have slideshows showing their direct impacts.

It's only the carry-over choices that fall and I admit it's a pretty big failure.

>if I wanted a fantasy game with good combat I'd play dark souls 1/2

Might as well skip the plot since Dark Souls 1/2 don't have any.

>>15950238

>Are CYOA games RPGs now?

Much more than JRPG.

>>15950292

Political intrigue is not GoT, shitty surface-level political intrigue is GoT. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is an example of properly done political intrigue.

>>15950455

How the fuck is Witcher surface level political intrigue?

>>15950455

>Anything that's not LoGH-tier doesn't have political intrigue

You're really reaching with this. By your logic there would be maybe 2 or 3 works of media in existence that qualify as politically interesting.

>>15950467

If it doesn't ask thought provoking questions about political systems then it isn't intriguing enough to be "political intrigue". Witcher and GoT are political dramas.

>>15950474

Everything should be judged against the greatest standard there is, the lack of this is the sole reason why this industry is terrible. People are content with things that are "good enough" and excuse criticism with "well you can't expect it to be as quality as [the best thing in the genre]". If everyone had high standards then the industry would have no choice but to meet them and we'd have better games for it.

>>15950494

Political intrigue doesn't need to ask thought provoking political system, retard.

Do you think the shit going in Syria asks "thought provoking question". Holy shit, we are talking with an actual pretentious retard who think he's smart here.

Enjoy your shitty ass Dragon's Dogma "good writing", you do not deserve the Witcher.

>>15950438

>How was it not?

Last action of the mission, being FORCED upon the player, if you do not choose, the mission is lost, thus it's NOT normal gameplay.

>Outside of their fancy word choice the usage of allusion and metaphor is surprisingly good

My fucking ass it is good, what is it good for? Oh wait, no fucking thing.

>Were you not just complaining about how all the weapons in DD were identical outside of having different numbers?

Yes, and they fucking were. Mace/greatsword, same shit, longsword same shit, dagger same shit, with different stat numbers.

>5 unique-feeling one handed skills, 12 for daggers, 5 for two-handed, 4 for shields, 20 for spells, and maybe 5 for magic bows.

>unique-feeling

My fucking ass it is unique feeling, most are just re-arranged combo that you spam with a button.

>2 autolock melee attacks, 5 spells, and 2 ranged options

Actually, it's light attack combo vs heavy attack combo, which moves to whirl and cleave, with magical options that can be put in, with crossbow and a lot of bombs. And that doesn't mean potion put in.

>The flaw with TW's combat isn't even the lack of variety as much as it is the automatic targeting that takes distance and direction out of the equation

No, it fucking doesn't. No matter if you autolock or lock, distance still matters, roll and you will yourself rape by enemies.

>I played TW3 on the hardest difficulty and didn't even touch alchemy or magic because I never needed it.

Prove it?

>>15950494

>Everything should be judged against the greatest standard there is

That's fine, but not being the greatest does not equate to a lackluster work.

>>15950522

This fucker PRAISES Dragon Dogma's writing, which is just grandoise sounding generic bullshit.

He has nothing to bark on, and is just hating Witcher for contrarian point.

>>15941918

they are pretty based witcher 3 is still the best RPG ever made i think

>>15950549

That's not a thought provoking question, at all.

That's an action provoking question.

>>15949987

>Just play without it.

Like I said, only for tough fights that take too long.

>searching for a trainer

Please this isn't 90s.

>keep getting killed for retarded reason, that's not fun

But it is. For example EDF 4.1 is about the best 3rd person shooter ever made in terms of fun gameplay. And this game is incredible unfair, monotonous as it gets, and when you die it's almost exclusively because of retarded shit like spiders sniping you through buildings. And yet it never gets old. It's a real videogame-game which sets out to deliver the player exactly what he sees on screen.

>Haven't played the Darkness

You should. The second one isn't worth it tho.

>Saboteur is a definite chore because the shooting is shit

What did you expect? Remember GTA 3-5? Terrible shooting.

>I straight out HATE the story

Liberating France from Nazis and racing some douchebags? Was there more to the story?

>incredibly complex and you need attention

We are not talking about the Devine Comedy here. Witcher is fantasy with a bit of medieval politics and your common tales of morals in between. Been there done that. Don't get me wrong I loved the characters, and the main arc was satisfying enough, but after over 30 years of reading and watching movies I can add lib any non written media without paying close attention. The only game stories I need to focus on are adventures. Like good luck losing the thread in Monkey Island.

>How? It's the same shit, it's your adventure, go and kill shit.

Come on, different genre, different type of players. You don't naturally come to the question as to what to play…DD or Diablo?

>a soulless, lifeless world

My exact sentiments on W3. It's just the impressive graphic engine, You just teleport from one busywork to the next, because the world offers nothing then eye candy. Yes you can count down an almost endless list of features this game has, but the scope of it all and the repetitive usage of it, kills any joy to gain. Take for example the place where the Bloody Baron and his demon baby are living. That story goes on for like 20-30 hours if you're not chasing after it. And after countless of visits, and playing cards with him and rescuing some horses from a burning stable…was there any NPC worth remembering, was that entire place necessary to anything? And that is a location from inside the main story quest line, now imagine how much is going on in these massive maps…zilch, nada, nothing.

>>15950525

DD had some fun ideas, and I liked Grigori, but the plot was pretty shit, yeah. Still a good game though.

>>15950556

>Like I said, only for tough fights that take too long.

So just keep going on without it.

>Please this isn't 90s.

It takes less than a second to chug a potion in Witcher 3.

>But it is.

No, it isn't. I'm sorry that you are a masochist, but I'm not one.

>What did you expect? Remember GTA 3-5? Terrible shooting.

Yeah to think of it, I don't like GTA3-5 too, even San Andreas.

>Liberating France from Nazis and racing some douchebags? Was there more to the story?

The protag is a race traitor douchebag, the french resistances are fags and the main love interest looks fucking jewish.

> Witcher is fantasy with a bit of medieval politics and your common tales of morals in between.

Which again is incredibly complex, which you need to pay attention to. I don't know if you are some kind of genius, but I'm not you.

>Come on, different genre, different type of players. You don't naturally come to the question as to what to play…DD or Diablo?

It's the same goddamn action RPG genre. the DDfags want an action game, they want Devil May Cry, they give no shit about the social aspect.

>My exact sentiments on W3

So your sentiments are wrong.

>You just teleport from one busywork to the next, because the world offers nothing then eye candy.

How the holy fuck? People have schedule, monsters have habitat, the fact you are blind doesn't mean everybody is like you.

> And after countless of visits, and playing cards with him and rescuing some horses from a burning stable…was there any NPC worth remembering, was that entire place necessary to anything?

The Bloody Baron, his scarred face lieutenant, his thug? The whole castle being a strategic position that Radovid and the black ones want to get?

For god's sake, pay goddamn attention. Your nada is your brain, it's mush.

>>15950562

The idea of a fucking loop is not new or fun.

It's fucking overdone as this point.

And what the fuck does Grigori even do? He's a talking cryptic dragon. Holy fucking shit, what an archetype.

>>15950585

Grigori provides the funniest moment in the game by killing not-Palapatine, and I love him for doing that because it was unexpected and original.

>>15950607

Don't want to be cynical, but the idea of a big bad killing another big bad is not that new or original.

But I digress.

I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR 6 YEARS, WHERE THE FUCK IS CYBERPUNK 2077?

YOU PROMISED ME VIDYA GAEMZ, DONT GIMME A FUCKING DOWNGRADE AGAIN FUCKING POLACKS

>>15950612

It was the way he did it, and the timing. But yeah, it's not really relevant to the thread.

>>15950515

I don't know how to reply to a lot of this, you are clearly not capable of having an argument. Contradiction and "my fucking ass" adds nothing to the argument, please finish your high school English class about basic rhetoric before posting here.

Outside of that, distance does not matter because when you attack you automatically jump towards enemies if you're too far away and if you're facing away from them you'll turn towards the nearest when you attack. This is why the game is easy, maybe you think it's hard but do you disagree that this autotarget system exists? Anyone with decent timing should have no trouble with the game since timing is the only skill that it tests. There's nothing wrong with you having poor enough timing skills to be challenged by this but it's not reasonable to get angry at people who don't find it challenging. There's also nothing wrong with you enjoying the writing of the game, the problem is your insistence that its better than games that were competently written.

And note that I haven't listed a single game with genuinely great writing because the best writing of RPGs isn't on par with the best of film, literature, and a couple games (Ghost Trick and To the Moon, the former is marred by mediocre gameplay and the latter isn't really much of a game). Don't mistake my praise of Dragon's Dogma relative to TW as believing it to have great writing.

They are the one of the few devs producing games currently that /v/ actually bothers to discuss whether they are good or not.

>>15950771

>I don't know how to reply to a lot of this, you are clearly not capable of having an argument. Contradiction and "my fucking ass" adds nothing to the argument, please finish your high school English class about basic rhetoric before posting here.

What contradiction?

>Outside of that, distance does not matter because when you attack you automatically jump towards enemies if you're too far away and if you're facing away from them you'll turn towards the nearest when you attack.

Nope, this is demonstrately wrong, autolock only makes you lunge or roll forward, it does not make you autohit. And no, this does not make the game easy or anything. What makes the game easy is magic and alchemy and advanced sword technique, not the autolock or dodging.

>Anyone with decent timing should have no trouble with the game since timing is the only skill that it tests.

Proof?

>And note that I haven't listed a single game with genuinely great writing because the best writing of RPGs isn't on par with the best of film, literature, and a couple games (Ghost Trick and To the Moon, the former is marred by mediocre gameplay and the latter isn't really much of a game).

What the fuck is genuinely great writing? The amount of movies that I legitimately enjoy can be counted with one hand, while I enjoy vidya much, much more. Haven't played either Ghost Trick or To the Moon either.

>Don't mistake my praise of Dragon's Dogma relative to TW as believing it to have great writing.

Your problem is Dragon's Dogma doesn't have great writing, it's fucking shit actually, grandiose prose good writing does not make. Witcher actually has great writing, unlike your assertion.

Barely touched their products, but i'm hoping their good lads and that Cyberpunk is good.

>>15948208

>Street FIghter V's DLC in total is 300$

Damn that's pretty fucking shit, even MKX was less Jewish than that.

>>15952375

>contradiction

"X isn't good, it's bad. And Y isn't bad, it's good!" is not an argument, it's just contradicting your opponent's points. Embed related.

>doesn't make you autohit

How come if you're reasonably close to the enemy you always end up in the right range to hit them when you attack? Sure you won't hit if you're really far away but then the game is just making you roll forward for no reason. Are you really going to defend this pointless arkhamshit handholding? I'll decide myself when I want to roll and when I want to attack.

>proof?

I already explained why its easy, what more proof could you want? Do you want me to reinstall the game and make a webm just for you? Because I'm not going to.

>Great writing

Other than those two games, for movies I'd recommend Shadow (2018) as an example for thematic consistency, Twelve Angry Men for its characters, and Charade for its clever plot.

For books you should look into Animal Farm, Of Mice and Men, and Ten Little Niggers (for the same categories).

>>15952564

And some more mainstream examples of well-rounded great writing would be Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia as well as some of Pixar's movies like Toy Story.

>>15952564

>"X isn't good, it's bad. And Y isn't bad, it's good!" is not an argument, it's just contradicting your opponent's points. Embed related.

DD plot is generic and barebones, with most of the meat being combat and more combat. The loop itself is not interesting or fun, and it just makes you replay the same fucking game again, with more recolored enemy at the end.

>How come if you're reasonably close to the enemy you always end up in the right range to hit them when you attack?

Because you are reasonably close to the enemy?

>Sure you won't hit if you're really far away but then the game is just making you roll forward for no reason.

It's to hit the enemy, you retard.

>Are you really going to defend this pointless arkhamshit handholding?

There's no fucking handholding in this shit, the Bamham games don't even have this.

>I already explained why its easy, what more proof could you want? Do

The proof that you somehow dodge every hits in the game as you say?

>Other than those two games, for movies I'd recommend Shadow (2018) as an example for thematic consistency, Twelve Angry Men for its characters, and Charade for its clever plot.

Haven't seen any of them. Sorry.

>For books you should look into Animal Farm, Of Mice and Men, and Ten Little Niggers (for the same categories).

Didn't read them either, except Ten Little Niggers, is that Ten Little Indians?

>>15952570

Seen Toy Story, it's okay.

>>15952593

>generic and barebones

Read what I wrote earlier about DD's plot and try to address it.

>reasonably close

You'll hit from about 3-4 meters away because of the autoroll, that level of babysitting is not necessary.

>to hit the enemy

Like you said though, it doesn't guarantee the hit because sometimes you'll roll forward and attack without hitting them if you're too far.

>bamham doesn't even have this

They do, you press X and you automatically attack the nearest bad dude within 4 meters of you.

>Ten Little Indians

Was it a nursery rhyme or a murder mystery? You're looking for a murder mystery based on a minstrel play.

What did you not like about Toy Story? The characters were distinct, the plot was thematically consistent, and the dialogue was quite good. Great writing doesn't have to be mature or deep, just consistent and compelling.

>>15952629

>Read what I wrote earlier about DD's plot and try to address it.

Can you point it to me again? If you try to say it's good because it has good metaphors or some shit, then you are fucking wrong. Metaphors good plot do not make.

>You'll hit from about 3-4 meters away because of the autoroll, that level of babysitting is not necessary.

No, you won't. Monsters can just dodge or soldiers can just parry you.

>They do, you press X and you automatically attack the nearest bad dude within 4 meters of you.

It's been a long time I played Bamham 1 and I don't remember that, the BamHam game, like Assassin's Creed, is about countering, it's not worth it to risk and beat the enemy.

>Was it a nursery rhyme or a murder mystery? You're looking for a murder mystery based on a minstrel play.

>Was it a nursery rhyme or a murder mystery? You're looking for a murder mystery based on a minstrel play.

I only know of the poem/rhyme.

>What did you not like about Toy Story?

It's just another kid's story. I see it as a kid and it didn't make an impression on me.

>>15941918

They made a fun trilogy of fantasy rpg/arpg games that have some nice waifus in them. All the rest of the crap you'll hear about them in this thread is standard contrarian garbage from retards.

>>15952643

I said that it had a song with clever usage of allusion and metaphors, not that the metaphors alone made it good. It's impressive that they were able to explain such a convoluted and bizarre story with just the lyrics of one song. I don't advocate for metaphors for their own sake, just for using clever writing techniques to efficiently convey interesting information. Here is an incredibly basic example of what I mean:

>I stand like a tree

>I stand straight, strong, and though I may blow with the wind my feet will not give way

The first sentence conveys some of the aspects of the second sentence with a lot less words. It certainly shouldn't be used all the time but its a useful technique that shitty writers always fuck up so a well-done metaphor can be a sign of good writing.

The other part that made the writing interesting was the idea of the plot twist where Grigori isn't the final boss and all of the generic shit in the game was only there to mislead you as the story turns to madness. Most of this didn't get explored as much as it was intended to since only a quarter of the game was finished which is why, for the last time, I don't think the game is well-written. Better than TW is not a major feat of writing and I don't see the point of debating whether an unfinished game has better writing than a derivative one. It's far more useful to compare everything to the best of the best, so if you continue to tell me how much better TW's writing is to DD's I will ignore you. If you want to argue that it's better than or on par with something great like LotGH then I'll take the bait.

>>15952744

>If I don't agree with someone they're a contrarian retard

Have you ever considered the possibility that there are people on this planet that have different standards than you?

>>15952794

>I said that it had a song with clever usage of allusion and metaphors

Not a good plot made.

>The other part that made the writing interesting was the idea of the plot twist where Grigori isn't the final boss

Again, NOT fucking interesting either.

> If you want to argue that it's better than or on par with something great like LotGH then I'll take the bait.

LoTGH and the Witcher are not comparable, they are not even the same type of story. One is a war chronicle, one is a personal story.

>>15952811

There's that contradiction again, it seems you didn't even read my entire reply either.

I'm not here to try and change your opinion on the games. You seem to be trying to convince me that I'm wrong about not liking them yet you are unable to articulate why something is good or bad. The only way for someone to like a game is to play it themselves, if they don't like it the most you can do to change that is encourage them to give it another shot or look at it from another perspective, you can't just tell me that it's good and expect me to take your word for it. It's no longer worth it to keep replying, good night anon.

>>15942138

dup btfo?

>>15952794

>>Have you ever considered the possibility that there are people on this planet that have different standards than you?

Sure, and those people have their standards set way too high frankly. That said, most of the stuff in here is just standard contrarianism.

>>15953472

What's wrong with having standards that are "too high"? What determines whether standards are justified or not? If I can have high standards and still find games to have fun with then my standards aren't too high. Why would I lower my standards and play games that I don't enjoy? Whose to say your standards aren't "too high" for not enjoying Fallout 76?

>>15956341

>boils down to "I don't like it"

No it boils down to "I don't like it because X, Y, and Z" as any good criticism should. I'm not saying that TW3 is entirely devoid of anything good, the music, art direction, and side quests are all great. The problem is that 90% of your time is either spent following quest markers or dealing with the boring combat system. The other 10% of your time is in dialogue which ranges from great to generic and predictable. There are games where most of your time is spent having fun so you can't blame people for feeling that TW3 is shit in comparison to them. Maybe you personally don't mind the weaker elements of the game and love the stronger elements, that's fine, but your opinion of which elements of a game are important is not some universal objective standard that everyone else must follow.

>>15952998

I'm that guy but I don't see any contradiction there.

>You seem to be trying to convince me that I'm wrong about not liking them yet you are unable to articulate why something is good or bad.

What? I have already said my pieces about the Witcher and why is it good, and I explain why DD cannot come close (mainly due to the fact DD IS in fact a generic killfest, lacking an engaging soul).

>>15956383

> There are games where most of your time is spent having fun so you can't blame people for feeling that TW3 is shit in comparison to them.

The fuck? This is where the shit comes in.

You think playing other games like DD for example, fun, but for me, it's an objective bore of killing the next recolored monsters with the same damn skills.

Meanwhile, W3 has a living, breathing world to explore, with actual characters to speak too instead of AI repeating the same damn things over and over again.

And you say that it is YOUR fun? Well, maybe YOUR fun is not fun.

>>15957751

It is possible with individual elements. There is an objective way to tell if the form or shading of a character in a painting is better than the same of another. The issue is just that one person might highly value form and another might value composition, so the first person would personally prefer a painting with great form and okay composition while the second person would prefer the latter.

>>15957784

I'm referring to the other definition of contradiction, watch >>15952564

>>15957787

If the combat is fun and the enemy design is great then I find killing monsters over and over to be fun. My fun is clearly not the same as your fun, I don't really value TW's "living, breathing, world" because the living and breathing aspects of it aren't really relevant to gameplay (as opposed to something like Mount and Blade). You don't value combat as much so you don't mind that TW's is merely passable and get tired of all the combat in DD.

It's just different preferences, no need to get so butthurt when someone doesn't like your favorite game.

>>15941932

God damn Frenchies ruining everything as always, that's two, one more strike and I gass 'em (1 is clowns)

>>15943569

we can at least say that whatever comes out Pondsmith will be proud of it

he's been showboated far more than is usual for this type of thing

>>15961198

>Being this triggered someone is fucking a woman that isn't white

>>15961309

t. jamal

>>15961321

That doesn't even make sense. No one in the image is black. Also Blacks get fucking pissed when they see white guys steal their women.

>>15961328

t. enrique

>>15961341

But Mexican hate it when white guys steal their women as well. Your insult doesn't make sense.

>>15961198

>proudly pre-married in twitter bio

that's pathetic, bet he proposed to her in public

Although aspects of the Witcher are good, id like to see them release a game that ISN'T the Witcher.

>>15942050

Nah, valve would be celery. At one time it was believed to be nutritious and healthy, then it was found out it takes more nutrients to chew and process than it gives.

>>15949325

>So what's the term for weak ass character that deals low damage?

If they have good armor then they're walls

They gonna be the reason GOG will turn to shit. I bet CP2077 will require Galaxy. Calling it now.

>>15950066

There's more than one. There's a shit ton of them like that. At least a dozen or so.

>>15950071

Fantasy for who? Anita?

>>15958467

>>15958467

>, I don't really value TW's "living, breathing, world" because the living and breathing aspects of it aren't really relevant to gameplay (as opposed to something like Mount and Blade).

Mount and Blade is the OPPOSITE of living and breathing world, it's literally a bunch of generic AI saying the same shit over and over again.

>You don't value combat as much so you don't mind that TW's is merely passable and get tired of all the combat in DD.

It's true. As I get older, I find combat more and more tiring. I appreciate it in strategy games where I direct my troops, but directly getting my hands dirty have been tiring. It's easy to kill, but finding good arguments to challenge the people, that's harder.

>contradiction

>>"X isn't good, it's bad. And Y isn't bad, it's good!" is not an argument, it's just contradicting your opponent's points. Embed related.

I think I quite explain why DD is bad and TW is good enough.

>>15962209

If it has multiplayer it's gonna Galaxy or at least a server.

>>15963111

Nope, wrong.

There's one who disguises as a man, and a strong skellige woman where you beat in a swordfight then bed in the same night.

Unless you count siren and water hags strong womin.

>>15941932

This pic is old enough that it can be debunked now.

>>15963406

>Mount and Blade is the OPPOSITE of living and breathing world, it's literally a bunch of generic AI saying the same shit over and over again.

I don't get what would inspire someone to say something so stupid you need to return with this but PC shovelware cocksuckers need to be put down.

>>15963111

Strong female characters are a perfectly normal male fantasy and in fact it probably dominantly a male fantasy prior to the insertion of feminism into the equation. For a man a strong woman is something a man can strive to conquer and impress. Strong females will also breed strong offspring so males would naturally gravitate to strong female characters, its basically a biological response, its the same shit as why pretty girls are healthy or actually why we find healthy girls pretty - because it means better offspring, now take that and apply it to strong women as well. There is a reason Spartan women were all also warriors(or at least trained to be capable and fit, they didnt actually go to war themselves), not because some stupid feminism agenda but because they would breed stronger warriors.