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When your shity game makea FF13 look good you have a problem

>>15873163

It seems so fucking quaint now that Toriyamas linear waifu thesis statement seemed like the worst it could ever get.

Asset flipping and comissioning a third party company to make assets for you aren't the same thing anon-kun. Not that it isn't indicative of how fucked up FFXV's production was either way.

>>15873185

They didn’t commission that company to make that for them, anon. They bought it from them outright.

>>15873185

>commissioning

I think the assets were pre-made.

15 and to an extent 14 really did have an awkward cheap look to it.

>>15873185

That dragon seems to be older than ff15, although it does seem like a perfect fit.

How fucking incompetent are square enix though that they blew both 13 and 15 so awfully? Those two are among the most expensive games ever made and they still shopped around for assets.

>>15873287

It all leads back to the 'record of FF7' event. Advent children and all the spin offs sold like hot cakes because at that point Squares rep wasn't the shitheap it is now. So the new CEO at the time said "we must exploit all of our brands and create sub universes like 7s". So we got "Project Fabula Nova Crystalis" that was a near 3 year shitshow and massive loss in money for the company.

Being one of the ones that fell for the 'japanese games are dead, they need to appeal to a wider western audience' corporate sabotage campaign funded by microsoft, electronic arts and bethesda in 2007/8 only compounded it.

>something new comes out

but op it's old news

https://www.dual shockers.com/new-final-fantasy-xv-pictures-show-objects-by-xpec-and-plusmile-dragons-tanks-giant-machines/

>>15873297

>Being one of the ones that fell for the 'japanese games are dead, they need to appeal to a wider western audience' corporate sabotage campaign funded by microsoft, electronic arts and bethesda in 2007/8 only compounded it.

Yeah they fell harder for that than anyone. They're the only jap company still stuck in that, except for sony of course. As if bravely default hadn't shown them the way.

>>15873307

Thats the fucking riddle in all this. The two biggest turbogoys that fell for the media blitz were Square Enix and Capcom. Capcom being internally sabotaged by Inafune nearly reached the point of bankruptcy and two years ago people were actually talking seriously about "which company will buy capcom?".

They were making RE6 "for the minecraft and call of duty audience because people over 25 dont want horror games" and it was a frankensteins monster that killed the franchise for a few years. But then out of fucking nowhere they turned it around. They brought Monster Hunter to consoles, brought DMC back from the dead and REmake 2 looks like the spiritual sequel to RE4 we should have gotten instead of shitty action games and Capcom is doing better than it has in years in every regard bar Street Fighter.

Then Square Enix has time and again had hits like Bravely Default, Octopath Traveller or Dragon Quest show what people want and the CEO has even said "we never thought games made for a japanese audience would be more profitable than games designed for wider western appeal, maybe having a unqiue style gives us unique appeal?" but even after years of that they STILL think we want shitty action rpgs. It makes no fucking sense at this point.

Shit look at the current western crash. The western consumer has shown they are sick of games as a service and funpay minibuys and returned to single player games to a significant degree that cannot be ignored. Just look at the game awards where Fortnite was the only multiplayer game that got any love and almost everything else was a single player narrative heavy experience.

So why the fuck does SE think we want a final fantasy experience made for westerners when the whole point of jrpgs is to escape shit made for the soylent gentry?

>>15873323

Hell capcom even started doing it's westernizing properly with RE7.

>>15873235

>>15873209

>>15873287

My bad, I didn't think SE had sunk quite that low. Considering how long the development was they should've had piles of unused assets ready to go, what the fuck were they doing?

most art these days is outsourced. all of the environment models in the last of us were made by a vietnamese art house. china does a lot of modeling and sound work too.

>>15873352

>china does a lot of modeling and sound work too

That would explain so much.

I'm gonna have to unload my FF15 hatred here for a second.

The story is absolute garbage. Noctis being sent on some marriage errand with a grand total of 3 body guards. One of which was a fatass until a few years before the story. Either Noctis should have been sent out at the head of a small army or they could have done the classical "prince sneaks away to have a final adventure before marriage" plot.

Nothing in the story/gameworld made sense at all. You have these shitty junker cars from the 50s running around while monsters prowl at night, yet nobody seems to care. FF15 has to be one of the most badly coordinated video games of all time. Also the 4 main protags look like complete fags.

>>15873338

RE7 worked because at its core it was "isolated area in the woods" where you deal with obtuse puzzles and shit while dealing with a viral outbreak. Love or hate the game its at its core the same idea even if the gameplay isn't.

Meanwhile FFXV was sub kingdom hearts combat with summons existing as a pity mechanic for when the fight takes too long, magic is a grenade you have to farm and the story was so unfinished they thought inserting cutscenes from a movie and two years of paid season pass updates were okay. In now way was it final fantasy.

>>15873370

>Also the 4 main protags look like complete fags

you wish you looked like that, maybe you would have a gf

>>15873345

Wasn't the game in development for the PS3 for well over a decade? Maybe those original assets where such a low resolution and wouldn't have looked correct for for a modern looking PS4 game?

>>15873511

FF14 has shit in it from 11 and 10 and they look fine.

>>15873323

Because out-of-touch politically obsessed game journalists are the ones that game creators have any interaction with. That's been a problem for years. After spending years with soy boys from IGN, and Giant Bomb the creator of dead or alive thanks everybody in America wants a sterilized Esports focused trash fighting game. Even though if they took time to actually look at the fans of the stupid game they would see people just want a competent fun fighting game with lots of lewd costumes and an incomprehensible wacky Japanese storyline on par with any random 90s OVA.

Maybe SE is learning now that KH3 is using an established engine instead of building a shitty engine for every mainline SP game.

>>15873297

>So we got "Project Fabula Nova Crystalis" that was a near 3 year shitshow

>and massive loss in money for the company.

Actually that was XIV's botched debut, which actually led to XIII getting two unnecessary sequels that were cheaply made to recoup costs.

>>15873542

No it wasn't. its well documented Toriyama worked his team to exhaustion and over produced asetts and recoup the time and money chrono crusade and valkyrie profile 3 were turning into 13-2 and lightning returns. It had nothing to do with XIV's 1.0 shitshow.

That comes later.

>>15873323

Hey anons how is Dragon Quest, I was never into the series but then again I didn't give it much of a chance only played like 2 hours of one of the 3ds games. The new one looks aesthetically great from the little I've seen of it, is the gameplay and story good (story matters a lot to me) ? I do enjoy JRPGS and grew up on Ps1 Final Fantasies, would it be something up my alley?

>>15873795

How is Square still alive? I thought FFXV needed to make money or they would be belly up, yet they still exist.

>>15873163

FF13 is a mess in deveLopment whiLe 15 is just fLawed and boring. At Least in 13 the soundtrack and coupLe of character interactions i Liked kept me going. Lightning and hopes reLationship for some reason was very charming to me even though there admittedLy wasn't much going on there

>>15873795

>It didn't. 13 is still the worst in the whole franchise, by far. All the problems with 15 are direct results from 13's mismanagement.

I disagree. I think 12 is worse. 13, for all its nonsense, didn't play itself, and it had both characters and story which were at least somewhat interesting, if mostly in a bad way. Plus the best looking female in 12 is a goddamn fat assed nigger, just to put that shit in perspective.

but yes, 15 is an improvement over 13 in most (not all) ways, which is in turn largely an improvement over 12. In fact, including 13-2 and -3, I think the series has been very slowly improving ever since 12 hit rock-bottom. I guess anything will bounce if you throw it down hard enough.

>>15874798

Its good and fun but once you understand how to break the combat it gets a little easy. Story is fine. Generic but fine.

>>15874886

The proccess goes something like this

>small indie dev gets loan from faggot corperation/bank or is bought by such

>faggot corperation/bank proceeds to ask (((friends))) in the (((stock brocker community))) to buy vidya games and not play them

>automated bots posing as (((friends))) proceed to buy shit game digitally and never play the game or only for a few minutes

>repeat until company is successful or fulfilling a certain image for goyim

>????

>profit

>>15873795

>Octopath

>Not a success

Did you just not read anything about how it was constantly selling out in Japan, let alone that it sold well in other markets? It did better than what Square even expected that they issued two apologies for the shortages. I could understand a little over a million in worldwide sales for a big budget game being considered a flop, but this was something that I don't think Square had put that kind of money into which is why it took them by complete surprise.

>Playing XIV

<well this this is a pretty good wow clone

>suddenly square enix comes in and takes half the budget for the game and feeds it to XV instead along with chunk of the staff

>next patch has way less content

<well at least they're gone now, maybe the next few patches will be better.

>suddenly they break in again and breaks yoshi-p s kneecaps

>takes most of the remaining budget

Fuck square enix, I loved a realm reborn and heavensward but stormblood is just filler with a side of fuck all. The fact that they decided to take staff away from their MMO that is actually doing great and might even be one of few games to rival WoW and put all those guys to work making boyband simulator just baffles me. Whenever i look at FFXV I just see a fucking gluttunous demon devouring money and resources wherever it goes and leaving everything else starving while demanding more.

Its a fucking blackhole.

>>15874886

>>15875388

While that make sense for modern art, that is the most retardted explanation I've ever heard when it comes to game development. it's more likely that this game took such a long time to make that other published titles and outside income from pachislots and anime cushioned the blow from this money pit.

>>15886810

Octopath was partly developed by Acquire which has made gaudy looking retro indie shit before, Octopath looked about the same quality as other BD games before it, kind of shitty but better than SE's other releases.

>>15875649

>4th pic

literally built for sex