4fd8fb No.15851818
So, shits getting pretty interesting again after some years of stagnation.
-AMD raping Intel CPUs with Ryzen
-10nm development being BTFO by 7nm development
-AMD leaks make it seem like their 2019 CPUs and GPUs will be top tier deals
-Intel making a discrete GPU and actually giving a shit unlike with Larabee
-Nvidia RTX being so badly marketed and priced that it's making normalniggers think twice
Talk about anything computer hardware related here.
f20db2 No.15851827
>>15851818
I heard that what manufacturers are calling 7 nanometer isn't really 7 nanometer but instead more like 10 nanometers with some optimizations. I think Linus did a video about it when he was talking about amd's rumored graphics cards
bfc654 No.15851837
Oh, a brand loyalty shitflinging thread. This will be fun.
f20db2 No.15851846
>>15851837
If you build your own computer as why would you have brand loyalty? doesn't make any sense. It's always about who can provide the best value at the time. Sometimes it's Nvidia sometimes it's AMD sometimes it's gigabyte. In the grand scheme of things they're all interchangeable to me as a computer hardware user. As long as their products function the way I need them to I don't care what name is on the label.
06beed No.15851848
>>15851827
>Linus
That "man" is a corporate shill and is one of those "Drumpf bad" people
06beed No.15851849
>>15851846
>not caring about the principles of the company
>not caring about the health of the industry
its like you want to get fucked in the ass down the line
322b0f No.15851854
how the fuck are they making these tiny ass chips anyway? Isn't 7nm less than the thickness of a wavelength of light? Wouldn't it not even be visible to us? Can anyone explain for a dummy like me?
61ac34 No.15851859
>>15851854
It's the size of the nodes on the chip as far as I'm aware.
f20db2 No.15851861
>>15851848
He's Canadian so he has to tow a A-line but he's actually defended Trump before on his podcast, I think he has to pretend to be more liberal than he really is. Since he is a business owner. Either way if you're not anti Trump you face lots of social stigma. It's a lot of people have to be low-key Pro-Trump. I've seen people accuse him of being a corporate shill. least he says the videos are sponsored when they are, otherwise when he's not doing a sponsored video he seems to be pretty reliable. I've never seen him favor one group over the other outside of Asus that's because Asus gives them 24/7 technical support and access to unreleased bios for motherboard testing.
4fd8fb No.15851863
>>15851827
Nope, 7nm is going mainstream
>>15851837
But this isn't a consolecuck thread?
>>15851849
If AMD can't compete they shouldn't be supported, that's it
Right now they finally managed to do so in the CPU space and Nvidia going full retard will actually give them some headgame if Navi is anything it's being hyped up to be.
7e6352 No.15851864
Reported for not video games
>>>/tech/
f20db2 No.15851865
>>15851849
Show me a company that has principals outside of making money, they don't have any loyalty to me as a consumer so why should I have any loyalty to them? If we didn't have the few consumer protection laws we have they would be trying to get away with murder, both literally and figuratively.
81112b No.15851869
>>15851854
The chip isn't 7nm, this anon is correct >>15851859 . And they make them with chemical processes. For example eating away parts of the chip with acid and layering the materials.
3c0461 No.15851873
I'm sorry, anon. I too want to belive, but AMD is definitely not doing as hot as you think.
All that the ryzen launch did to intel was making them at least try to be minimally competitive. Their next CPUs might be interesting, but it is still to early to say.
GPU-wise, i see no evidence that they will match nvidia's offerings, considering that they have been quite a bit behind intel for almost a decade now, despite RX, Vega and whatnot.
4fd8fb No.15851877
>>15851864
>Hardware used for videogames isn't videogame
Try again autist
59e239 No.15851882
>>15851854
Transistors are chemically printed onto a pcb, they're literally just a microscopic bit of silicone/semiconductive material that activates. There are no moving parts on a transistor and they can make them really small, the limiting factor is the quantum tunneling effect
4fd8fb No.15851892
>>15851873
>AMD is definitely not doing as hot as you think.
They're outselling Intel in the gayman market 2:1
59d286 No.15851893
The simple question is why ?
Why they are trying to make 7 nm or even 1nm ?
To make graphics better ? , ok i speak for myself , i want better game not better graphics
Look at game like super mario , it's been literally ages since it was first released and to this day , there is many people playing it and find it interesting , and it was 8bit graphics
I want them to just make games better , fuck graphics
4fd8fb No.15851901
>>15851886
I guess emulation and console threads aren't allowed either.
We've had countless of threads like these before and you only started popping up now.
Back to >>>/cuckchannel/ with you
81112b No.15851902
>>15851893
Have you considered computers do more things than video games?
3c0461 No.15851920
746368 No.15851923
I'm going to talk about software instead.
I can't upgrade. I'm on Windows 7 professional but I neutered the telemetry. There seems to be a SP I need since several HD rereleases need an 8.1 or later to work. Fucking AoE2 won't run.
I refuse to update my OS and I'm certain I need more than a few dlls. Additionally, there are no games that need a modern PC that I want to play. My shit is 7 years old works just fine
4fd8fb No.15851940
63791d No.15851965
Woooooow who let tholis off topic here? Better it to
>>>/tech/ before you get banned
3c0461 No.15851968
>>15851940
Neat, although this only happened on a single month in one specific german retailer. Probably means that they are doing better than i thought because of their pricing, which is good.
Time to buy AMD stocks?
dbd341 No.15851971
>thread was bumplocked
Reminder that >>>/v8/ is here for you, in this kind of situation. Freedom over feels.
9ece8a No.15851993
>>15851901
>video game consoles and emulating said consoles isn't video games
>>15851902
>computers do more things than video games?
7219fa No.15852002
>>15851818
>-AMD raping Intel CPUs with Ryzen
by which benchmarks? inb4 muh cost efficiency
97cf85 No.15852042
>>15852002
Cost efficiency :^)
97cf85 No.15852118
>>15851968
>Time to buy AMD stocks?
Be sure to sell them all after the cryptojew peaks again
97cf85 No.15852130
ff6840 No.15852591
>New Ryzen project in the works
>Gonna use it for blender
>it was cheap as fuck to build
>Only decision left to make is what leenux to install
Now if obly I knew whether I wanted debian or some kind of ubuntu I'm pretty sure those are the goodens.
9159a2 No.15852683
>>15852562
Your post is autistic but I heard W2000 was the best version of Windows, can you tell me about that.
e77259 No.15852694
>>15852562
>AMD and Intel is botnet
>buy console
<He says this while posting with fucking TOR which has been compromised for years
How retarded can one be?
>>15852591
>New Ryzen project in the works
Wait for Zen2 next year
e47531 No.15852702
Win 10 makes it all useles so who cares
d508d4 No.15852709
>>15852591
I liked Xubuntu and Mint.
though, mostly because am a casual.
00e7d7 No.15852710
>>15852591
you would have to use an unstable version of debian as the current version uses linux 4.9 and ryzen needs at least 4.15 (or it might be 4.13) and above.
e77259 No.15852718
>>15852702
>Win 10
Except both Linux and Windows 7 work fine with it
e47531 No.15852756
>>15852718
Oh really
Lucky
Im stucj with microstutter 10
e77259 No.15852772
>>15852756
Uninstall it you tard
998db6 No.15852819
>>15852562
>Intel is israeli jewish company
Nice try, Jewish shill. The list is much bigger, and this is not exhaustive either.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_multinational_companies_with_research_and_development_centres_in_Israel
25cc13 No.15852910
>>15852710
>>15852709
Xubuntu or mint then, thanks best buddies.
63c008 No.15853001
>>15852694
You can't even spell Tor, much less prove it's compromised. Or rather, maybe you think it is because you don't understand what you're saying.
d89ba5 No.15853026
Hardware is worth the exact amount of the games being produced these days.
00e7d7 No.15853047
>>15852910
i'd say xubuntu personally.
>>15852718
i've used ryzen on 7 and can vouch it works 99% of the time. the only issue i ever ran into was destiny 2 because it was free cause my computer to completely shut down with no warning. this only happened with this game, and nothing else was wrong. event viewer gave me errors which would indicate there is somethign wrong with the cache on my cpu, but the errors stopped after tryign windows 10 and d2 worked just fine.
632c00 No.15853258
>>15853047
>>15852910
>Xubuntu is part of the Jewbuntu system, the Windows of GNU+Lunix
>Mint are so fucking lazy they released an iso with a massive security hole and didn't notify anyone
Then again, it's not like any >systemdicks distro is better. Go with Manjaro or even LMDE if at all possible.
0f4253 No.15853266
>>15852591
Linux is pozzed shit. At least get OpenBSD or something.
e77259 No.15853280
>>15853001
Whatever you say Tornigger
61ac34 No.15853286
>>15853026
>not buying a new rig just to have 100 tabs open in gelbooru on bloatfox
8c4819 No.15853546
>>15853280
You've already embarrassed yourself by revealing you can't even spell it right, showing how ignorant you are. Your words have no weight at all.
e77259 No.15853552
>>15853546
>Your words have no weight at all
HOW ABOUT NOW TORNIGGGER?
8c4819 No.15853610
>>15853552
I never said torpedos had much weight either, just that you're as much of an idiot too.
dc945f No.15853632
13811a No.15854409
>>15851818
>muh graphix
What's the point? Anyone in the industry with any talent fucked off for greener pastures years ago. All that power means jack shit if you don't have anyone with the talent to use it properly. Pic related is older than some of the kids shitposting here and still looks better than most current year shit.
8bf332 No.15854976
>>15851873
>GPU-wise, i see no evidence that they will match nvidia's offerings, considering that they have been quite a bit behind intel for almost a decade now, despite RX, Vega and whatnot.
nVidia could have a total monopoly on PC gaming hardware, which they don't, and AMD would still be doing just fine. Remember that AMD is exclusively producing the APUs for both the next Xbox and the PS5. The push for streaming services doesn't actually diminish the number of hardware units they need to produce either, but actually increases it since those streamed games have to be run on that consoles hardware regardless - they're just crammed tightly together into a server rack rather than being discrete hardware units in people's homes. And assuming the best case scenario for MS and Sony (worst case for us) - and streaming games works as advertised and takes off in popularity, they're essentially eliminating the need for a hardware investment, opening up the service platform for anybody with a mobile phone, smart TV, tablet, laptop, and $15 to waste. Yet for each of those new customers, they're going to need more hardware in their server farms to run those games and accommodate those customers. And AMD is set to provide them.
Yeah, if you're just talking PC graphics cards - then nVidia is smoking them, but overall AMD is in a much better position. Especially since game consoles are more or less immune to shit like cryptocurrency mining - allowing them to scale to production easier with a much more stable growth projection rather than trying to play catch up and slow-down with a fucking market bubble.
03b0e0 No.15855011
>>15851854
>>15851893
>this level of tech illiteracy
Fucking hell.
989247 No.15855015
3f5868 No.15855047
>>15853028
How very Jewish of them, trying to convince everyone that 10 is as efficient as 7.
c06720 No.15855081
>>15852002
>Guys seriously please spend hundreds more for 1-2% that extra speed is essential.
Fuck off.
fc39af No.15855098
>>15851849
>>15851863
>>15855015
Hypothetical question: Let's say AMD actually did get forced out of the 80x86 CPU market & discrete GPU market (left, died, bought by Intel/nVidia, etc.). Would the DoJ actually come down on Intel or nVidia with antitrust motions, and if so, how could they be sliced up?
>>15851854
By using materials that require multiple exposures in order to fully etch, only the areas that have been overlapped by each exposure will produce features. This allows arbitrarily small features, down to single atoms, to be made using basically unchanged photolithographic processes regardless of optical wavelength:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-shift_mask
As >>15851882 notes, the main bottleneck right now isn't building small enough devices, but the lack of insulation when they're packed so tight together.
>>15851893
>>15853026
>>15854409
>not playing old games in higher rez
>not playing old games in higher fps
>not loading up old games with shader/texture/model/etc hd packs
>being too much of a contrarian hipster to bother with the small but steady trickle of decent newer high-end games like KC:D, DCS, Talos, etc.
>>15853001
The Onion Router
>>15854976
Has AMD actually earned much more than prestige (as a share of GPU/APU revenues) from PS4/XBOne, given shrinking royalties were one of the reasons nVidia bailed on 8th gen?
Regardless of that, however, like >>15851863 said, nVidia's widely panned RTX combined with the prospect of Navi offers a plausible chance of AMD catching up for the first time since the R300.
04e399 No.15855235
>>15851854
They don't do chemical etching anymore it's all done with lasers. Specific colors etch specific wavelengths. Not sure what they are doing for masking since they started using lasers instead of acids.
9883b6 No.15855252
>>15851861
Linus get's a lot of shit when he really isn't that bad, He keeps his mouth shut on politics and is pretty up front on his sponsorships. I consider people like Brownlee to be a legit shill.
533d84 No.15855255
>>15851854
>Isn't 7nm less than the thickness of a wavelength of light?
>the thickness of a wavelength of light
>a wavelength of light
Common fucking core.
7ff7e3 No.15855264
>>15855098
>playing games outside of their original resolution
>needing higher fps
>using filters and "HD" models
>being an unapologetic shiteater of modern games
This board really has fallen far.
fc39af No.15855287
>>15855255
Pic related
>>15855264
>games having an "original resolution", especially 3d ones, especially on pc
>putting up with gratuitous input latency and perceptual motion artifacts
>not playing games the way they were intended, rather than the way they had to be
>gating quality at arbitrary points in time
7895fd No.15855448
>>15855287
>>15855264
>played Rome Total War in 2004 on an Athlon 64 3200+
>3 fps during heavy sieges, love the game anyway
>fifteen years later some fag on the internet gets mad at me for wanting to play it at higher fps and try out some mods
e77259 No.15855603
>>15855264
Oh look, it's the Xbox nigger
580e4c No.15855689
>Download amd drivers
>Gpu shit itself
Welp what's the best cost efficient gpu that amd has right now. Not looking for something in the 500-600 dollars range but anything that's better than my r9 390. I'm looking at the vega gpu and it seems powerful but I'm iffy at what most reviews say about it. Maybe I should go with the crossfire meme and get two RX 570's.
e77259 No.15855701
>>15855689
Don't do multi GPU for gayman, it was never good or optimized and it's being phased out.
Wait for Navi or get a GTX 1060
b9c531 No.15855712
>buy a mid-range gaming laptop
>it works good and runs new games, max graphics 144 fps at 1080
>doesn't even have a high tier CPU
why do you guys shit on laptops again?
580e4c No.15855716
>>15855701
>Wait for 6 months or give money to jewvidia
Damn this is getting tricky
e77259 No.15855725
>>15855712
Compatibility issues, overpriced and no scalability
It's fine if you already have a rig and want a portable option.
>>15855716
If Nvidia gives you a better deal there's literally no reason not to take it.
AMD might kick them to the curb due with Navi due to them going full retard with the pricing.
580e4c No.15855740
>>15855725
So the best option here to stick to amd would be to go with a mid tier gpu and wait for navi I would guess.
e77259 No.15855760
>>15855740
I'm currently using a 2 year RX480 and doing fine
Nvidia still has better price/performance ratio with the 1000 series though
580e4c No.15856107
>>15855760
Then getting this would be best for me til navi then https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814131717
I was thinking of getting the rx 580 but seems to be a rebrand of the 480. Thanks for the help
fc39af No.15856174
>>15855701
>tfw promised vulkan/d3d12 would make multi-gpu better and more efficient than ever, even allowing basically any kinds or brands of gpu to work together seamlessly
>tfw it turned out this only works if a given game or other app specifically supports it
>tfw no driver, engine, or other middleware vendor actually offers any kind of libraries for this purpose
>>15855712
Because unless you've got money coming out your ears, or extremely specific use cases, it's always better to get a bottom spec laptop, and roll the money you save into desktop upgrades that go way further for the budget.
>>15855725
>If Nvidia gives you a better deal there's literally no reason not to take it.
I can think of one single reason, which is if you're on Linux, and you care more about bug-free desktop acceleration than raw performance, but need something better than an Intel iGPU. AMD's drivers are leagues better than nVidia's or Nouveau, in addition to being more mature (KMS/DRM support, for instance).
cdf27d No.15856212
>>15856174
>I can think of one single reason, which is if you're on Linux, and you care more about bug-free desktop acceleration than raw performance, but need something better than an Intel iGPU. AMD's drivers are leagues better than nVidia's or Nouveau, in addition to being more mature (KMS/DRM support, for instance).
when did this happend? all i know is that 5 years ago AMD ran like complete shit on linux. currently using intel iGPU and i'm able to play games with it over wine with really good performance results
fc39af No.15856232
>>15856212
Starting 3 years ago they totally reorganized their drivers with new AMDGPU and AMDGPU-PRO stacks
584e27 No.15856279
>want to upgrade
>black friday is around the corner
>wait
>cyber monday!
>wait
>new years sales
>wait
>hold on amd/nvidia/intel is making a new X
>wait
>black friday is around the corner
I've been doing this for about 6 years now.
632c00 No.15856309
>>15856279
Can't regret if you don't look back at the new GPUs.
584e27 No.15856329
>>15856309
That's true but I've been doing 60hz 1080p for so long I want something better.
77fb08 No.15856330
>mfw using a phenom cpu and still able to play AAA on high settings at 60 fps
280aaa No.15856603
>>15856330
Congrats playing CSGO on high settings at 60 FPS.
That said, AAA games are largely shit, so it's irrelevant.
But good luck playing games like MHW, Vermintide 2, Rising Storm 2, Squad, or even smaller Jap games like Fatal Bullet at 60 FPS on a Phenom.