/v/ - Video Games

>>15848454

The GG thread has this so far:

Playism

>DRM-free and proud of it

>helps out indie developers with debugging, localization and whatnot and works with nipponese and english developers alike

>Japan-based and created by them with good relationships

>responsible for publishing some good indie games (Cave Story, One Way Heroics, Kero Blaster, etc.)

http://playism-games.com/

Gamejolt

>Has their own client (still in beta though but good enough)

>DRM-free

>A shit-ton of indie and passion project games (but basically no curation)

>No known censorship problems so far and overall good-sounding

>established community

https://gamejolt.com/

And of course MangaGamer and JAST for your lewd shit from nippon:

>localizations are improving over time

>they work with the nips closely and are good overall

>also offer physical products for some of their games

>DRM-free

>Staunchly anti-censorship in the case of MG and JAST offered a place for some of the developers getting censored by Valve right now

https://www.mangagamer.com/

https://jastusa.com/

Fruitbat Factory and NekoNyanSoft

>helps publish and localize indie nippon VNs

>offers some physical copies

>good localizations as far as is known

>no real problems found

https://fruitbatfactory.com/

https://nekonyansoft.com/

GoG

>Staunchly anti-DRM

>offers some major titles that Steam used to have as exclusive; might be a viable competitor at some point in the future

>acted as a refuge for numerous VNs and small devs during the waifupocalypse

>lots of support for old games

>high-quality curation overall, and is improving over time

<not as trustworthy as the other alternatives because of Sean's firing and the way they handle social media

<curation is opaque as all hell and good games get lost in it at times

They're less recommended now than the others, but still better than using (((Steam))) if you have to.

Itch.io

>DRM-free

>choose what you pay to the developers (can be up to 100% afaik, ensuring that their actions as a middleman can be limited unless that changes)

>lots of support for indie developers

>no known instances of censorship; unknown if curated at all but presumed not to be

<Lead people in charge of it are known to be pro-censorship, making them not entirely trustworthy, one should be wary and cautious when using them

J-list

>Sells general good from Japan, from food to manga to figs to vidya

>sells adult goods from Japan, little worries about them censoring

>works with publishers like JAST to sell games

>Very pro-Japan; is an importer

https://www.jlist.com/

Right-Stuf Anime

>Recommended by operationrainfall and other generally good sources

>is an independent distributor and publisher of video and whatnot

>offers vidya options and other shit as well

>no real problems found

https://www.rightstufanime.com

Play-Asia

>Staunchly anti-censorship; even going so far as to mock Sony's censorship policies on their social media platforms

>anti-SJW and pro-GG

>imports everything from adult goods and vidya to other assorted things, overall solid and they're improving all the time with a wide selection

>excellent customer service

>also recommended by oprainfall, nichegamer and numerous other pro-GG and good neutral places; sometimes works with them for giveaways and whatnot

https://www.play-asia.com/

TheIndieBox

>Helps indie developers make physical copies of their games

>DRM-free for all of them

>reasonable prices for the standard and limited editions

>decent (but smallish) selection

>no significant problems found

https://theindiebox.com/

>now that steam has gone to shit

Steam has always been shit, kill yourself OP.

GoG Galaxy, Origin, Uplay, and Desura are the only things that come to mind, but all of them are redundant or kiked out.

>>15848474

>Uplay

>Origin

Pretty questionable if Ubisoft or EA are even any better.

pirate you fucking idiot

>>15848496

>pirate

I pirate AAA garbage but I'll pay for good quality stuff from devs who deserve it.

where do I go to pirate the linux versions of games

>>15848492

They really aren't but the OP did ask for non-chinese and non-censored steam alternatives.

Then I remembered Ubi tried to censor R6:S for China, and then after enough people yelled loud enough, Ubi backed away from China.

>>15848512

Fair enough.

>>15848474

Origin and Uplay are DRM clients aren't they?

And Desura was dead I thought?

GameJolt has a client too now by the way

>>15848454

>Now that Steam has gone to shit

Who's this newfag?

When were you when payed mods were a thing?

>>15848571

>Origin and Uplay are DRM clients aren't they?

Yes.

>>15848612

The problem with that is that individual developers don't have experience dealing with payment processors, many of whom can be difficult especially with lewd content; not only that, but they would also have incredible trouble with getting any exposure. In such a decentralized market they might end up barely making any money with that approach. It would be nice if something like VNDB existed but with links to those stores to help direct people to them and discover them.

>>15848632

Payment could be easier if GNU Taler succeeds. Social media accounts and word of mouth can help with discovery but you are right: finding games through stores like GOG and MangaGamer is easier.

>>15848509

I hope you enjoy paying your car dealership literally hundreds of dollars for something as simple as changing a busted speaker or a cracked head/tail light, faggot.

>>15848509

Well to be fair.

If linux devs weren't obtuse fucking faggots about everything. They probably would have more games.

In the mean time there's middlemen software that's ok like DXVK and Wine

>>15848469

>Jew-list

If you have a thing for overpaying by a ton.

Retarded thread, since none of games worth playing should be paid for as none of it will go to original creators.

>>15848509

Being able to build your own car like that (maybe less ugly) would be quite interesting to be fair, but still, I am no coder so I can't just use Linux to its "full potential" and all that stuff, is a shame there is no real native support for games because learning to code gradually would certainly be easier with an OS I could experiment on, and no, setting up a virtual machine defies the purpose of being in the OS itself.

>>15848767

>implying you can’t buy parts and do simple repairs yourself or at a mechanic for dirt cheap.

[spoiler]Although admittedly if Deere almost got away with preventing farmers from hacking their own tractors then we’re not too far off from doityourself shit being outlawed.

>>15848855

The funny thing is currently, all the self service stuff software developers try to steal products you paid for back from you is only possible because of a fucked situation with the law not being caught up with digital software and internet connectivity.

We really need laws outright and flatly stating "Declaring ownership of a product you sold to someone as a copyright holder of the assets that make it up is illegitimate use of copyright and is a punishable offense."

>>15848503

Rutracker has a lot of linux games. also it's a nice resource for Lossless music in general

>>15848509

>t. pajeet

>>15848509

>both are literally shit

Bahhaha

>>15849338

>how dare you call our greatest allies from the arachnid quarantine zone "bugmen" filthy bigot

Chinese spotted.

>>15849352

The leftyshits call numales bugmen. Probably just autism from anon

>>15849405

>halfchan

>>15848454

>I want to participate in a mainstream activity without the "normals"

Good Luck

>>15849464

>>>/cuckchannel/

Steam.

>>15849813

>I want not-shit alternatives to Steam

>Steam

wew

>>15849820

BTW, let's say we as a collective could make one, how would we make it?

>>15849845

Well that depends on what kind of vision we would want for it, and what we would aim to accomplish.

A client would obviously be too ambitious for a non-company, so let's start with a simple website.

It could basically just be something like VNDB with a "buy" and "add to cart" options. People would need to look into the VNs themselves and the developers to make sure they're fully finished products, not using stolen or sketchy assets, or have any sorts of viruses and bitcoin miners in them, and then just let people buy as they please

The biggest problem would be in the payment processing, and how much whoever would be in charge of it would get (if anyone, or if someone everyone somehow collectively agrees to pay shit like server costs and whatnot) and where the files would be hosted and whatnot.

A review system would be simple and easy as fuck to have.

Really it would just be like how MangaGamer is now most likely, though to encourage people to use it more and form a community there could be shit like a forum and whatnot and reviews could be made more attractive than just some text under a rating.

>>15848469

Note with GoG that they also tend to let developers get away with releasing outdated versions of their games or versions of their games that have features deliberately cut out to make them less competitive with those games' Steam versions.

>>15850057

I've heard that they at least try to force parity and if a game is updated on Steam but not on GoG, they can delist them

GoG, no one else.

>>15849872

>client is just a browser linking to the site assets with a launch list tacked on

>site collects and organizes purchase links for devs; money handling is done at cost; game resale support for 10%

>normally run by donations and crypto mining

>devs can donate to get a shiny icon on their game pages

>mining is activated with a menu on the site; set it to use any percentage of CPU you want, automatically deactivates ingame

>>15850159

In the case of "Armello: DRM-Free Edition," it took them a couple of years to get around to that.

Anyway, this link is relevant: https://www.gog.com/forum/general/games_that_treat_gog_customers_as_second_class_citizens_v2

>>15850232

Digital reselling would kill any market

>>15850346

Then you won't need to worry about running it for very long.

>>15850304

Fuck, kikes really fucking hate GOG.

>>15851928

mocking linuxfags doesn't automatically make you a proprietary shill

>>15851984

Please elaborate on your non-proprietary non-Linux operating system that you're using to play games.

>>15848469

>all these 2D garbage games

Could've just said that GOG is the only alternative and it sucks.

Is there a reason developers don't just make a cheap website, install an e-commerce plugin, and distribute the game themselves?

>>15848454

You could always learn to make your own games and peddle to a market that's sick of mainstream censoring. You know, like that Gigamaidens guy.

>>15854706

>amiga

>not proprietary

>>15854694

What the fuck does that have to do with the platforms he releases on being viable and non-cancerous?

Moreover, isn't that going to be a fighting game and therefore would benefit the most from the largest audience with the largest platform, which is unfortunately Steam?

>>15854706

>t. proprietary shill

>>15854732

>>15854804

>not knowing about AROS

>not knowing about user IDs

>>15854848

>thinking that randomly bringing up some ancient ass computer system after being asked a question he couldn't answer is somehow clever

>thinking i give a fuck about whether or not you can see i'm samefagging

>>15848469

>>15848454

Not Fakku. Apparently they're into some shady shit.

>>15862632

Everyone already knew that faggot

>>15862656

I didn't so I wanted to make sure nobody else made the same mistake. No bully.

>>15848454

Pretty sure the time to kill steam has long passed. By all means migrate if you want to(you should be pirating anyway), but they have a complete and total stranglehold of the PC market.

>>15868681

>tor poster says the honeypot is the same as a decent board

The tor meme is real.

>>>/pol/

>>15868928

Just ban tor already.

>>15848454

just go back to pirating you dumb fucks

>>15887002

You really need to expand your vocabulary, nigger.

>>15887002

>Both are operated by leftists.

You mean impotent leftists? if you're gonna do a bit at least commit to it.

>>15887002

>/v/ is /pol/, impotent leftist mod.

Are you the same guy that keeps saying that over and over again? if so you're worse than the soyposter that used to pop up on /b/.

>>15887075

He's mocking people for not knowing other places to get games from besides Steam

There's not really any specific shitting on buyfaggotry in that post

>>15887078

How many people really know about all of those >>15848469

How do you learn about all of them without being told? You don't, and even if by some miracle you find them from google you still won't know whether they're worth trusting.

>w-wow stop talking about alternatives gouys! you must be dumb if you want to have this discussion!

Either way fuck off.

>>15887092

If you didn't bother to at least try to look up or find other alternatives years ago you are a fucking embarrassment. People should've seen Steam as the cancerous threat it was 2-5 years ago

>you still won't know if they're worth using

No shit, I was the one who made that list; I just went off their principles and reputations and what I could find about them and their catalogs; I didn't use all of them all regularly

>stop talking about alternatives

I never said that. If anything you're doing this with your ass-retarded posts that do nothing to contribute to the discussion

>>15887125

>stop talking to me!!

Sure, just stop posting stupid shit any time.

>at least try

>I just went off their principles and reputations and what I could find about them and their catalogs

And you expect literally everyone to invest time doing all of that? You expect everyone to get a comprehensive understanding of all the options? For someone who supposedly spends enough time making that kind of list to help people, you sure hate the idea of people making use of it instead of doing all of that work all over again.

>I never said that

I was referring to >>15849405

>>15887141

>stop talking to me!!

Again, I never said that.

>And you expect literally everyone to invest time doing all of that?

Yes, I would expect people to put in the bare minimum fucking effort to go to their fucking "about" page and shit like that.

>You expect everyone to get a comprehensive understanding of all the options?

>implying any of that was fucking comprehensive and not just a few bullet points to draw people in

People should be doing research on their own, and what I did was only a bit above the bare fucking minimum, which is frustrating since more people should already know about this by now

>For someone who supposedly spends enough time making that kind of list to help people, you sure hate the idea of people making use of it instead of doing all of that work all over again.

Because it feels like I'm trying to raise fucking children with this shit,. Not only do you need to basically cut the fucking umbilical cord that is Steam, but apparently you need to fucking breastfeed these faggots and carry them around everywhere. I don't mind helping people, but its very frustrating when I have to do work like that. You're defending people being incredibly lazy and fucking retarded, which is one of the behaviors which got us in such shit with Steam in the first place. People valuing convenience over freedom, market and industry health, and the principles of the company.

I usually get stuff from 1337x but if I can't find something I check these sites: https://unblocked.app/ and then the links in the share thread.

However if I feel like supporting good devs and they uploaded the game to a site where you can download it without a stupid client and there's no DRM then I will buy it, though I have only ever cared about games that are on GOG since I'm not into VNs.

Do NOT buy games unless you want to DONATE to the devs, paying for digital content = donating.

>>15887187

>Do NOT buy games unless you want to DONATE to the devs, paying for digital content = donating.

accurate

the slow death of physical goods in the west is fucking mind-boggling.

I don't understand how people could value convenience that much

>>15887173

>Again, I never said that.

You're right, misread the last sentence. Though it still vaguely applies.

So basically you've never read a list of recommendations of any kind, and if you did you'd ignore the list and instead research literally every single one of them separately along with their history of jewry and twitter posts for cucking or else you'd think of yourself as a lazy retard?

You're defending the guy who doesn't want people to talk about steam alternatives, in fact you're being that guy right now. You're telling people to do the research on their own and calling them "incredibly lazy faggot retards" for reading the list that summarizes many of them instead. Not everyone has the time and patience to research everything in their lives or we'd never get anywhere.

>>15887209

>instead research literally every single one of them separately along with their history of jewry and twitter posts for cucking or else you'd think of yourself as a lazy retard?

I never said any of that, and twitter posts are retarded anyways. I'm saying people should at least know of some alternatives by now and some basic fucking shit about them. I don't expect people to research fucking twitter post history or weird shit like that, but if people know about it, that's better than not being aware of such things.

>You're defending the guy who doesn't want people to talk about steam alternatives, in fact you're being that guy right now. You're telling people to do the research on their own and calling them "incredibly lazy faggot retards" for reading the list that summarizes many of them instead. Not everyone has the time and patience to research everything in their lives or we'd never get anywhere.

You fucking nigger, nobody has time to research anything these days apparently which is the big fucking problem and the reason we're in such a shitty situation right fucking now.

I found out a few days later after I posted that list that Itch.io censored a game off their storefront because it criticized BLM for example. That's very much worth noting down, and a big fucking black mark against them.

> You're telling people to do the research on their own and calling them "incredibly lazy faggot retards" for reading the list that summarizes many of them instead.

They should be doing research on their own and shouldn't need a goddamn list, especially after so many years. My calling them lazy faggots is apt. You can get offended on their behalf all you want, that doesn't make it an untrue statement.

Have you been using any of those alternatives since you saw that list at all? Have you made an account at any of them, or at least recommended them to someone else who will? If not, then any points you might have are automatically rendered invalid anyways.

>>15872548

no, kill yourself

What happened to J-List? They used to have many physical PC games in English but lately they aren't showing.

>>15848469

How is JAST anti censorship? They released Aselia the Eternal -The Spirit of Eternity Sword-, promised an uncensor patch and then never released it. I believe they also did the same thing with the sequel. I'm sure there are other games that I'm not even aware of. Also with them fucking over the people who fan translated Steins;Gate, I would never recommend buying anything from them.

Find your own bank. Make your own credit card company. Create your own payment processor. Host your own internet protocol with DDoS protection. Then maybe we can have uncensored content on the internet again.

>>15848454

Why would you need a Steam alternative?

1) Steam for video games and lewd anime games

2) Mangagamer, JAST, Fakku, DLsite, DMM, booth for hentai games

>>15891916

>why would you need a Steam alternative

>keep using our centralized monopoly where we hold all the power

>suggests Fakku of all places

You're clearly not from around here

>>15892338

I sure as hell don't give a fuck about exhentai.

>>15892363

Lurk more newfag, or fuck off rapefugee