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… whatever

X-2 has the best combat system in the whole series.

If you check the Squall is dead theory suddenly the plot its not shit anymore.

But yeah, its shit.

>>15845440

FFVIII is the quintessential pleb-filter and one of the best in the series.

>>15845460

Doesn't that game force you to steal spells from enemies vastly weaker than you for hours on end?

>>15845462

Nope. Some retards do do that though.

>>15845462

>hours on end

Not necessary. I don't really like the draw system, but I don't get why it's such a deal breaker for some.

>>15845460

Unironically this. The only objectively irredeemably bad game in the series is XIII. People who complain about II and VIII don't know how to play video games.

>>15845440

>I think I'm actually going to drop the series at this point.

>Dropping the series before IX and XII

OP as always is a faggot.

>>15845474

>The only objectively irredeemably bad game in the series is XIII

>implying fujoshi fantasy 15 is not bad

>>15845453

Kinda. You level up too fast to really fully utilize the dress sytem. You'll likely stick to one dress at a time to level up instead of switching on the grids to get a boost like it was suppose to be designed. Magical girl sequence was too long, even if you can turn it off. Still like it, even if the story is really shit. I do hate how a ton of people dismiss the game though. It's not the worst game in the series, just heavily flawed.

>>15845481

XV has Cidney. It's bad but it isn't XIII-bad.

>>15845453

>>15845483

I want to live in the timeline where X-2 was a completely original IP. It's biggest flaw is it's over-reliance on the established lore and setting of FFX. It's incredibly jarring seeing people who were literally devout monks become theme park employees on what they held to be their most sacred site only two or so years after they found out their beliefs were an antagonistic con.

The difference between scripts between the demo and release is fucking retarded, I don't know what the fuck happened, I feel like they fucked up the translation somehow.

>>15845440

Real word of advice. If you do drop 8, at least play 9. Easily my favorite.

>>15845462

No. You can if you have autism but you get through the whole game playing normally.

>>15845440

Just skip it and play IX. IX is fun, not very deep but fun.

>>15845462

Nope. You play Triple Triad for a couple hours at the start of the game, convert the cards to extremely powerful spells, junction the extremely powerful spells to get big dick stats, get hades so you can set encounters-none (no random encounters, because random encounters are level scaled and we don't want to level at all), and then you just big dick your way through the entire game without ever casting any spells because casting spells would make you weaker, and you shit all over everything as-is.

>>15845511

That actually sounds amazing. I could never get through ff8 either, but if this is possible that sounds like an fun system. Winning through childrens card games.

>>15845521

You play card games for a few hours and go through monotonous bullshit for the next ten since the game is fucking broken afterwards.

>>15845521

Triple Triad is surprisingly fun, and is probably the best part of the game.

>>15845474

>The only objectively irredeemably bad game in the series is XIII. People who complain about II and VIII don't know how to play video games.

those are two of the most shitty cobbled together hunks of garbage I have ever played in my life. I have a hard time believing you've played either within the last 15 years with this statement. Not everyone is a nostalgiababby.

>>15845510

9 is worse though.

>>15845531

>the best part of the game is some shallow card game

speaks volumes

>>15845535

>I have a hard time believing you've played either within the last 15 years with this statement

Just finished the PSP port of II 3 months ago and I finished VIII again last January. Not everyone is a brainlet who can't think how to creatively break a game and derive their own fun from such an act.

>>15845533

2 actually isn't that bad and the most enduring if you dont use the skill glitch.

>>15845546

>being a brainlet is not just breaking a game and walking through it with zero effort

>implying that isn't just bad game design

I mean you can keep trying to justify your shitty nostalgia-fuelled meltdowns with this, but not everyone is autistic

>>15845546

It's not like the remakes have any difficulty beyond the PS1 versions, they're casualized.

>>15845553

> but not everyone is autistic

>didn't like a game

>makes a whole thread devoted to blogposting about how he doesn't like game

>call anyone who disagrees with you a nostalgiafag

You're right OP not everyone can be autistic especially not as autistic as you.

>>15845556

Yeah you're right I would probably recommend the GBA port over the PSP version but I have a preference for the PSP versions' soundtrack. The original FFII release is pretty broken though even for my tastes.

>>15845550

That's not the point. Why did you bring up 4 then? also 2 is garbage.

>>15845506

You are wrong about IV, go fuck yourself but right about VII.

>OST is very subpar in comparison to most FF tittles

>people make a rukus about Aeris death, but after her "burial" they literally don't mention her name until the plot demands

>there's 2 parts in the game where they don't tell you where to go. The first when you have to find the key to the ancients, that is with Dio in Gold Saucer, and the second where you have to find a key hidden in a cave in the bottom of the ocean with the submarine. "Exploring" in a game with random encounters is my ass, this is flawed

At least the game is very short.

Why would you drop the series from one of the games being bad when every game in the series is unique and self contained?

Also FFV is best

>>15845511

>You play Triple Triad for a couple hours

And that's all there is to Final Fantasy VIII

>>15845634

Pretty much, but the game is best as a pseudo-walking sim.

>>15845440

I'll admit my like for this one is partly nostalgic but it did have pretty developed world and story, but the junction system is one of its weaker points, which lead me to almost never use magic outside of scan. But if you can't get over that and lack of gear, you really are bad at games

Gotta ask which FF has the best waifu

>decide to try to play all of the games in the final fantasy series

There are easier ways to tell the world you're gay.

>>15845648

>but it did have pretty developed world and story

>send teenage magic soldiers to kill queen bitch

>sniper that is supposed to kill her pussies out

That's when the game lost me. The premise itself could have been interesting if they had dropped most of the bullshit and focused solely on the floating high school that trains kids how to become magic powered mercenaries.

>>15845462

the draw system is an autism trap put in place by the developers. worked really well against spoony

>>15845453

True but you have to endure hours of cringe to enjoy it.

>>15845456

This theory has been officially denied though. As it happens, I'm currently playing through 8 as well; and it really is more of a chore than anything. The dialogue is atrocious, there's basically no exposition for the characters, other than squall suddenly being all loved up about a character he's barely interacted with (and tutted at every utterance of), the battle system sucks, the world feels empty and the fact that your party members follow you around makes it difficult to see what you're doing a lot of the time (also I always seem to go the wrong way on ladders for no reason).

Also:

>i'm the sorceress and it is my destiny to destroy seed

>*loses fight*

>i'm just a puppet sorceress for some other sorceress from the future who wants to bend time to reduce her wrinkles

If OP gives up on the series now he's going to miss out on 9, which is one of the best. From then on they are terrible though (15 isn't even a game).

>>15845460

I can only assume you have a lot of nostalgia tied up with this game, because it's objectively a shitty jrpg. The only thing it has going for it is some of its presentation, and its music (which isn't as good as other entries imo).

>hey guys, have any of you noticed that none of us know anything about our childhood's (but for some reason our short term memory is fine, and we aren't completely freaked out about our amnesia)?

>WAIT A SECOND…WE ALL WENT TO THE SAME ORPHANAGE????

>AND OUR PRIMARY ENEMY MOTHERED US????

>AND SHE ALSO (for some reason) SET UP AN ACADEMY TO TRAIN SOLDIERS TO KILL HER???

>AND WE FORGOT ALL THIS BECAUSE OF….UUUUUUUUUUHHHHH….*shrugs shoulders* GUARDIAN FORCES…I guess

>well, we can't stop using guardian forces (for some reason) so we're just going to have to live without a past

One of the worst stories in gaming history.

>>15845792

Also worst waifu of the franchise. We all know she only went to Squall because Siegfried dumped her whoring ass.

>>15845797

She's a lot like Aeris. At least Aeris had the good grace of dying when she was becoming too irritating (running off like a fool with little more than a 'TEE-HEE IM GOIN TO SAVE THE WORLD LOL').

>>15845792

For a second I thought you were describing white knight chronicles.

>>15845440

Disc 2 of Xenogears died for this, which is the greatest sin of FF8.

>>15845462

The best way to do it is to get diablos ability early on that converts cards into spells and play the card game. You can then turn off random encounters and be super over powered with ultimas and flares junctioned to all your stats. You don't even need to fight any battles other than boss battles.

>>15845813

>white knight chronicles

Completely forgot such a game existed.

>>15845792

don't forget that scene happens on a fucking nigger ball court… Fuck that shitty gayme.

>>15845828

Levels aren't as important as much as using the gf/draw system. FF8 was still shit though, the gameplay is a broken mess once you know how to fuck with it, the storyline was pure trash, and the entire game felt like is was built around square masturbating to their own pre-rendered gwafix.

Some of the music was decent and the space shit you get towards the end was pretty cool though. I guess there's that.

>>15845843

>space shit

Space shit, fuck.

>>15845828

>I HATE YOU - FUCK OFF

>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING NOW????

>FUCKING IDIOT

>I HATE YOU - FUCK OFF

>CHRIST, YOUR BRAIN IS NIGGER-TIER

>*bitch goes to sleep for a bit*

>OMG I LOVE YOU - COME BACK TO LIFE

>IM GOIN TO CARRY YOU TO ANOTHER CONTINENT FOR SOME HAIR-BRAINED REASON LOL

Every strand of the story (and there aren't many strands tbh) plays out like it was written by a genuine, bona fide teenage autist. There's literally no build up to anything. It's like a spaz has just gone 'and then they fight the witch; then the witch turns good and they're chasing another witch; then rinoa goes into a coma so squall loves her now (having hated her throughout); then they go to a future-tech city; then they go to space…..'. Just awful - even by game standards.

Let's not forget how tedious the dream sequences are (and they're the best part about the game).

>how about you run around this village doing incredibly boring random battles for a bit?

Oh, and the FUCKING prison escape (which is not just a tedious time-sink; but is completely fucking retarded to boot).

>LETS BREAK OUT LOL

>*takes down two pussy guards*

>THAT WAS EASY LOL

>>15845828

I'm somewhat glad Squall didn't get to defile Quistis. Such a precious womb shouldn't get infected with sperm from a subhuman like him.

brown rabbits

Did Spoony start making it cool to hate this game? I always felt that it wasn't that much worse than VII. FFIX is the best PS1 era FF

>>15845440

I could have forgiven it everything if leveling up didn't have the utterly counterproductive effect of making enemies stronger.

Functionally, this leads to a system where levelling up makes you comparatively weaker, and the best way to win the game is by using junctions for stat increases, spamming GF's and fighting as little as possible.

>>15845886

>I always felt that it wasn't that much worse than VII

Gay opinion.

>>15845928

In that they are both mediocre.

>>15845451

>…

>>>/reddit/

>>15845936

VIII sucks, VII's amazing. End of.

>>15845453

13-3 is better.

>decides to play FF

>is surprised when it's shit

Honestly, you should've recorded it and put it on YouTube. Only reason to play FF is to laugh at it with other people. I can't believe some people actually like this shit, it's the gaming equivalent of an anal prolapse.

>>15845960

You have to be at least 18 to post here.

>>15845965

This is true. LR has really fun gameplay.

>>15845533

>OP never mentioned 4

He said he's played through every game in the series up to 8, so he did tangentially mention 4.

>>15845842

>sad when shitty games have fantastic OSTs

Let me introduce everyone to Anito: Defend A Land Enraged, winner of a 2004 IGF award for Innovation in Audio.

>>15846353

>like Undertale's

I wouldn't wish Undertale's fandom on my worst enemy. There's being cruel, and then there's siccing tumblr on someone.

>this series has yet to produce a decisively terrible game

8, 10, 13 and 15 are genuinely terrible games. About the only worthwhile thing that has ever come out of FF was the Tactics games.

>>15846381

8 is the best in the series, followed by 12 and tic tacs, get bent

>>15846388

>>15846390

Is this what they call ironic baiting?

>>15846390

>he plays games for the story

>not to watch his autistic character calculators go up

I… I kind of envy you. But you're still a faggot.

Like 7 ff8 had no likable characters. Best to skip PS1 ff

>>15846399

am i misreading your post, or are you implying that tactics has no story?

It's a fucking hassle to spend ages drawing magic and the fact that levelling up makes things harder for you is a bit of a curveball but it's still easily on my top 3 final fantasy games, the script is just fucked and i love every second of it

what a giant piece of shit and at the same time what a great time i had with it

>>15846420

it's the only one to have made me cry like a baby.

Watching everyone let themselves die so Firion can fight the emperor is really sad.

>>15846401

7 was somewhat okay. 8 had Quistis who was wasted on that dumpster fire. 10 had Lulu, also wasted on an even bigger dumpster fire and forced to bear the spawn of a subhuman chimp.

12 was sort of okay, everyone in 13 needs to die a painful death and 15 is just a massive sausage fest, only worthwhile character being Cindy, who is also wasted. I'm starting to detect a trend here.

>>15846411

I just said most of the modern FF games are shit and the only ones that I actually liked are the SRPG ones.

>>15845538

the music, art and characters are definitely not worse

>>15845762

>sniper that is supposed to kill her pussies out

He was a kid. He might have passed his SeeD exam, but I don't think Irvine had, up to that point, ever experienced real combat. Shit, at least Squall and co. went through the raid on Dollet by then. They had actually killed people.

>>15845506

Now this is some top bait.

It's got decent music and some of the environments are interesting, but overall 8 is garbage and a chore to play.

In a way they captured aspects of actual school.

>>15846482

>they trained a soldier that is unable to kill

That's some pretty shit military training. Also, if he was so fucking green he had yet to pull the trigger on a live target why the fuck did they make him the centerpiece of such an important mission? Why did they send him in the first place?

>>15846482

>>15846589

>Forgetting that Irvine had slight recollection of Edea because she's literally his and every other party member's mother figure because of the Orphanage they all forgot about because of the GF Dementia

So am I the only person here who actually played the game and you faggots are just bandwagoning on the "IT'S SHIT" meme or what?

>>15846648

I'm not forgetting that part, it's just retarded and contrived writing that illustrates how the whole plot is a mess.

And yes, anon, FF8 is the narrative equivalent of an Indian designated shitting street. I wish I could take the writing teams working at square down into the basement and beat some talent into them.

>>15846589

The garden's management was actually incompetent as fuck.

>3 mercenary training organizations around the world called "gardens".

>One gets overtaken by the government, even when they have the resources to fight against said government.

<Especially when one of the other gardens was actively fighting against said government.

>The other one gets nuked.

>The last one was supposed to get nuked, but it actually flies.

>The first one also flies.

<So, did the second one got nuked just because?

>On, and there is also a mobile fleet of mercenaries also working on the sea.

>They are also from the garden.

<And nobody knows about them until they do.

>"Actually, SeeDs aren't mercenaries. They kill witches. We deploy them in warzones only for training."

<And the witch in Galbadia?

Also, how can you forget the "We don't have the money to get SeeD's services but I talked with the principal and he agreed to lent us a group to overtake the government. Yay!"

I think that FFVIII could have been a good game, but something happened along the way Rinoa that screwed everything forever. The idea of being a team of mercenaries doing missions all over the world using magic, GFs, and special techniques was cool as fuck.

>>15846690

> think that FFVIII could have been a good game, but something happened along the way

Isn't that pretty much every FF after VII? You can see what they were going for under all the shit and then you have to ask yourself how it went from the original ideal into the trainwreck the audience ended with.

SE has pretty big internal management problem, especially with all the money they burn on assets that never end up in the finished game.

>The idea of being a team of mercenaries doing missions all over the world using magic, GFs, and special techniques was cool as fuck.

It could have been the Type 0 of the PS1 era if they had played their cards right. Instead of an overworld you get missions, pick an ever expanding roster of teammates, explore and upgrade the Garden, etc.

>>15846648

>you faggots are just bandwagoning on the "IT'S SHIT"

Why would you quote my post? I like FF8.

>>>/v/15846487

>tornigger mass replying like an autist

Why am I not surprised

It's okay, you can just skip to X-2

>>15846722

>It could have been the Type 0 of the PS1 era

Type 0 was even worse than FF8.

>>15846767

Oh, I know, I was just talking about the general idea (classroom of magically powered teens fighting stuff), not the execution.

>>15845535

>>15845539

>>15845553

OP, just skip 8, play 9, then stop. Save yourself the pain.

>>15845786

I can only assume you have tons of cocks in your mouth

>>15845440

i have fond memories of it mainly becos it was the first JRPG i ever played

it had jaw droping graphix for the era and i really liked the setting of high tech civilisation with magic monsters summons and swords

the plot was all over the place but i still liked the characters

but even me who actually remembers this game fondly can't deny it is the worst in hte series and one of the dumbest JRPG to have ever been made

at least it's not as bad as everything that came after X-2

>>15845963

VII isn't very good, you're just blinded by nostalgia.

>>15845483

I'm pretty sure MODS CAN FIX IT™

I love Castlevania SOTN, and one of the criticism it gets is being "too easy", and it is. I recently played a romhack called "hard type" and it actually forces you to play smart and consider enemy weakness, since it decreases severaly the damage taken by neutral attacks for them. Only flaw is not being able to swap weapons on the fly like later games, but it's a lot harder than the original.

My point is, they could make a mod to rebalance the game as in experience gained would fix it.

Then again, a new IP with that very same system should be nice.

>>15850890

WoFF is a pretty comfy game. Not very hard, but I think there's something to appreciate in it.

>>15845440

Anon you just played one of the few games I honestly regret playing. This is worst FF far and away. While the games after are better I don't recommend continuing unless you're desperate.

>>15846648

Except you're forgetting the fact Irvine Who I wanted to name Billy the Kid but couldn't says that he always chokes at the last minute which means it's happened before. The whole story is fucking retarded.

>>15846690

>"We don't have the money to get SeeD's services but I talked with the principal and he agreed to lent us a group to overtake the government. Yay!"

Well yeah, Cid knew Edea was there.

When does FFVII 'pick up'? I just left Midgar, and the materia system is fun to experiment with and the combat does neat things, but the dialogue hits real hard. Does the game get more fun, or is it like this the whole way?

>>15851773

You have Rinoa and Quistis backwards. Rinoa is the not-princess whose daddy wanted to lock her in her room until the mission was over, and Quistis is the mercenary who fucked up her job by leaving her post to apologize and getting locked in that room because she missed Rinoa leaving by a few seconds.

>>15851773

I'm enjoying your sperg out, carry on.

>>15846392

It was ok.

However, attack magic completely sucked in this one. Including fucking Ultima.

Only healing spells, some buffs(not wall or aura) and Teleport were worth a damn.

>>15850890

Too bad, final boss is complete joke that goes down in few hits.

Especially when you do battle arena or get few max upgraded celestial weapons.

>>15845511

>game is fun if you skip all the gameplay

FF8 fags everyone

>>15845440

Did you like VI? If so, I would check out IX, as it has the same director and the same feel except for that it is a bit more charming and doesn't get as dark. XII also had the same director; I am about 15 hours in and haven't really had any memorable moments like VI and IX game me, like the Opera or the Phantom Train, but gameplay-wise, Zodiac Age is one of the best JRPG experiences I have had in a long while.

>>15851762

I don't get what you mean by the dialogue hitting hard. For me, it picked up. You have to do a dumb minigame to catch a Chocobo next, but everything after that gets interesting as you start to explore the world and experiment with materia. I guess I'm in the minority that likes Midgar, but enjoys the rest of the game more.

>>15852663

No you don't you can run past the Midgar Zolom

>>15852518

>gameplay-wise, Zodiac Age is one of the best JRPG experiences I have had in a long while.

Nigga it's just an offline MMO

>>15851762

FF7 isn't very fun until you get the weapons with double and triple exp for your materia and can actually customize and empower your characters.

Just wait until XIII.

>>15845506

>IV is shit

I will fucking hit you.

I have only played the oldschool FFs, tell me is the whole "The newer FFs are cringy badly written emo shit" a meme or actually true?

Play DQ instead.

>>15845487

I don't really mind the story in X-2. It's very stupid, but so was the story in X. X-2 at least doesn't take itself quite as seriously.

>>15845440

Yeah 8 and 9 are terrible.

>>15845440

Terrible story but fun to break the shit out of it with drawing, GFs and junctioning.

>>15855918

Drawing is the most inefficient way to get magic though. Just make your GFs learn refine magic ASAP, then you can turn monster drops and shop items into magic. Pair that with card refine and you can break the game before the first mission

>>15845886

Spoony went after the draw system, which is tedious when using a party of one or two. When you have three characters, use one or two to draw while the other cleans up depending on your level. Spoony was patient zero for this type of things, but he cherry picks like most critics. It was a PS1 title, compared to most it was an exceptional feat. I like the game just fine and thought it a neat pivot from VII and superior to IX. My one complaint is the music from Triple Triad, I still hear in my mind like it was Mk Ultra conditioning.

>>15845440

Do yourself a favor and at least play IX. The rest VIII onward though are, indeed, total faggot excrement.

>>15857238

It's pointless to draw magic, period. Just use draw to get GFs from bosses.

>>15856742

Quite frankly I have never tried that. The last time I installed the game the save files got wiped shortly after the space part with the propagators..

One more thing to try out I guess.

>>15845474

XIII was passable.

XV is irredeemable.

Will not be buying another Final Fantasy ever again. At least Dragon Quest is still good.

>>15852234

>Too bad, final boss is complete joke that goes down in few hits.

that's typical FF, making the mandatory final challenge easier than the optional final challenge is just basic game design. The game hits its peak and everything past the Jecht fight is a formality.

>>15857428

>dragon quest "still" good

>>15852676

You can easily kill him, why would you run past him?

Plus Trine is OP as fuck early in the game.

>>15852704

12 classes with open-ended levelling boards, and you can choose two and use them together. It's a pretty sick system, just to play around in. I've found some good combos: Black Mage has supe low HP, but Monk has the most HP boosting licenses, so you can combine the two and give the mage poles which have Evade/Block stats on par with sword/shield combos, so you get a Mage that can take a few hits and still gets Magick Power buffs from Mystic Armor.

The Zodiac job system also made Green Magicks way more accessible to characters so you can actually have a proper enmity system with Decoy cast by any support mage.

Original FFXII might have been more shallow but the Zodiac version has loads of depth, not to mention some stat balances. Despite your party only having three people in it at a time, I have ended using 11 of the 12 classes and all characters fairly equally, between trash mobs, tough mobs, hunting targets, and bosses.

I'll grant the director has said the combat isn't perfect and there is more he wanted to do with the system, but it still at least has some cool tech if you really want to get into it with toying with the ATB gauge and kiting enemies etc.

>>15851762

The assault on the tower in midgar is the only good part. If you hated that, you might as well quit now.

>>847536

It's fake. Has a 30 second intro clip with malware.

>>15845440

Newfag. Also probably a Jew. for real though do the world a favor and an hero you faggot.

>>15857482

Well in Japan, Dragon Quest is the more popular of the two. Out here in the west though, Dragon Quest gets worse marketing, be it during the Enix era, or post-merger Square-Enix doing similar like they don't want competition between the franchise despite owning both, and the apparent "need" for overlocalization here both angering fans that just want straight translations and making SE have to debate internally if the turnaround is worth the (unnecessarily heightened) cost, leading to periods of "no games for you" as the 3DS and WiiU suffered from for years. Meanwhile, Final Fantasy has had nearly full backing from SE here for generations, to a point they probably wouldn't have to market it much at this point and it would still sell well. It's almost certainly the easier to push, or at least the easier to justify pushing, out here. I'm not sure what the difference in popularity in Japan and the west is between the two, but Square hasn't done Dragon Quest much if any favors towards getting it as popular with the west.

>>15860800

Does playing IX ran digitally via loader/eboot/emulation do anything natively to improve the loading times?

>>15860880

Loading times are always improved if you use a hard drive. It's not like there's a reason to emulate those glorious optical drive load times.

>>15845440

Anon, are you who I think you are? Here's a dogwhistle for you: are you a meister?

>>15845440

FF past IV became something that the most chuuni of jap devs would throw their horribly formulated fantasies into. Their plots and characterization are nonsensical, which is especially bad for games built around their cinematic stories. Most those guys probably wish they were making movies.

>>15861429

>Every fucking Final Fantasy is shit

So you mean every Final Fantasy is shit?

The people who hate on ff8 are just people who remember the spoony reviews and never actually played it. It's actually a good game. 9 Is still better though.

>>15852240

There are zero

repeat

zero

generic party in a line, enemy in another line, click attack magic special defend or flee basic turn based rpgs that you play for the GAMEPLAY. The fact that this one is redeemed by an entertaining card game makes it better, not worse.There is zero gameplay value in every game like that. It's very slightly better than a movie where you have to press play ten times every 3 minutes, and the fact that this one, played intelligently, can skip the trash mob padding and get on with it is a credit, not a detriment. Prove me wrong.

>>15861620

I really couldn't play ff8 without falling asleep. I was excited to play it. Finally it was the weekend. I had all the ISOs ready, I had my controller, I had my food, and I fell the fuck asleep while playing that shit. I tried all weekend, but ff8 is unplayably boring. Ruined my fucking weekend falling asleep like that.

>>15864178

It's not specifically FF8 though turbonerd, it's all turn based JRPGs. FF8 is actually redeemable because it has a fun game mixed in with the regular tripe, and the fun game actually allows you to bypass the rest of the bullshit while playing it.

>>15861077

X is the best FF in all respects. Great adventure story and the best protagonist.

>>15855892

A thousand times this, shes a mary sue and letting her die in space should be an option.

>Introduced as the ~ReBeL PrInCess~

>her father is a top galbadian militar that somehow doesnt mind his 16 year old daughter plotting to kill the president and stuff

>Inserts herself in a group of trained, professional mercenaries even tough she fights with a glorified frisbee and a fucking dog

>When you first meet her shes lusting hard for that seifer dick and squall pretty much ignores her.

>But somehow after disc 1 the game decides squall and rinoa are the ONE TRUE PAIRING and has you saving her retarded ass from stupid situations that could have been prevented if she minded her fucking bussiness in the first place.

>The rest of the party fades into the background and what looked like interesting stories are reduced to awfully bland characters

TL;DR Selphie best girl

>>15861620

>he people who hate on ff8 are just people who remember the spoony reviews

I think people forget that Spoony walked back his comments on FFVIII during the review of X, or maybe it was XIII.

>>15864238

It's too bad they censored BF for the Western release. Hell, it's too bad they censor so many nip games these days.

>>15845440

The best of the series is already over, quite while you're ahead

>>15864238

And yet, the best turn based rpgs where you just have two opposing lines are still garbage. No matter how many little "but this menu item does this effect" shits there are, or how long your skill rotation needs to be, you'd still be better off having it play as one long fucking movie, because that's what you're doing. In fact, adding failure conditions is a waste of time for these games because there's no actual fucking reason to ever play a game like that for the gameplay.

Even the simplest, cheapest shit like making it a turn based strategy rpg by putting the battles on a board instead adds 999% value to the game. Which is why all the cheap generic rpgs sitting in the bargain bin are cheap generic srpgs now. Because the old-school format has no reason to exist besides laziness in current year. It's a format that is basically pen and paper rpg combat, but distilled to it's most basic, but removing the imagination and capabilities of pen and paper, but taking no advantage of the abilities of videogames to be able to control characters in any meaningful way. That format should die and be done with forever.

>>15864159

Sounds like you have a medical problem.

FF8 is good until it gets to the orphanage.

>>15845440

Skip to XII to play the best game in the series and then play Lightning Returns and call it done.

>>15876339

>tedious draw system

Easiest way to spot someone who hasn't actually played FF8 or played it wrong.

>>15876339

It's a pity 7's translation is lacking in quality; from Sephiroth not quite being able to articulate whether the ancients are from that world or if they're the people who came from Spira (according to the FFX-2 Ultimania book), to "this guy are sick", to completely losing the plot for why you're even remotely interested in Shinra going after the huge materia (originally an observation that any materia that large is of great importance to the planet reduced to "Shinra wants them so we do too" at a point in the game where we don't give a damn what Shinra wants)

>>15876366

Your options for proceeding through the game are to either grind (fundamentally useless and potentially detrimental) or augmenting your stats with junctioned magic (for which significant results require lareg stocks of a given spell).

Simply staying at low level is a fool's errand as several areas in the game have level-locked enemies (typically marked as level 5 but possessing ridiculous stats)

>>15876457

I know there's a fan retranslation for the PC, and I want to say it also had the patch ported for use with the PS1 original, but I've heard it's a bit of a mixed bag, and have seen some anons who like Final Fantasy still recommend the official script for reasons of "it's what the people you'll be discussing it with are familiar with" and "muh charm." Though I'll admit I've honestly yet to play it either format, let alone both (tried a few times to get into Final Fantasy, but while not feeling bad, the ones I've tried don't manage to stick with me the way some other series have).

>>15876513

Well, perhaps "yet to play" is the wrong phrase. More of "yet to get real far in" when it comes to VII.

>>15876470

>Simply staying at low level is a fool's errand

It's the most efficient way to get through the game. All the best magic for stat boosting is available from draw points, which are much more reliable than drawing from monsters and don't adjust their contents to your level.

>>15876880

>All the best magic for stat boosting is available from draw points

remind me, where is the draw point for meltdown? Draw points take forever to replenish their stock. It's good longterm, I suppose

>>15845814

Xenogears was already crippled by a poor budget.

>>15860786

FF was more popular in the west than many other JRPGs.

>>15876837

Mod of balance version is the best version of FFI.