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32499f  No.15818796

TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT SMASH:

1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

2: Do you consider it a party game?

I want to see just how much /v/ leans towards the 'tism side of the scale on this one.

8d634d  No.15818802

File: 0d219f4258d2c56⋯.jpg (429.3 KB, 900x1200, 3:4, smashbrostrophy.jpg)

>1 Do you consider it a fighting game?

No

>2: Do you consider it a party game?

Yes


963498  No.15818804

1. Yes

2. Yes


32499f  No.15818808

>>15818802

>platform fighting game

Oh boy here we go.


c58589  No.15818818

>>15818796

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

No.

>2: Do you consider it a party game?

Obviously.

Fighting games are for niggers and spics. Party games are for whites.


1ffd16  No.15818822

File: 0173d14bb94293b⋯.jpg (105.55 KB, 768x768, 1:1, GrZiMUFAVUE6FffS1hDpapsaNS….jpg)

>I fucking hate Nintendo for nuking rom sites, hope they got fucked

>I'm insanely hyped for the new Smash, gotta buy 10 copies

This is the autism I don't get from this board


12b6c9  No.15818829

1. No.

2. No.


5e0ef1  No.15818832

>>15818822

Maybe this site consists of multiple people with differing opinions, and not just a singular hive mind?

Fucking retard.


32499f  No.15818835

>>15818832

Clearly fake and gay. Everyone is a hive mind shill shilling to itself while checking dubs and this gestalt entity needs to go back to reddit and leave this place empty as it should be.


685cc8  No.15818838

>>15818822

Gee, it's almost like we're on an anonymous imageboard made up of a wide range of users with differing opinions. And that users can choose which threads they post in, and that they probably won't voice their opinions in threads they don't care about.


c58589  No.15818842

File: 51ddebdf053d923⋯.png (166.49 KB, 480x515, 96:103, 0ae276de6d85a8f5d8f0a062d3….png)

>>15818838

>>15818832

You'd have a point if the BO didn't literally ban people for anti-Nintendo posts and have most of the userbase defend him for it. It's very fair to say the /v/ hivemind is pro-Nintendo.


4a2da9  No.15818849

>>15818822

>companies are all one person

The business and American branches of Nintendo are kikes. The ones who make the games are the only good AAA developers left in the world.


d06caa  No.15818863

>>15818796

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

No.

>2: Do you consider it a party game?

No.

>What is a smash?

It's Beat-them-up game.

>>15818822

He didn't have love-hate relationship towards anybody or anything.

I am jealous.

>>15818842

Are you sure it wasn't just caused by these posters which were completely unable to say so without autistic screeching?


c58589  No.15818874

>>15818863

>Are you sure it wasn't just caused by these posters which were completely unable to say so without autistic screeching?

That accurately describes all of /v/ discussing anything.


b31cf7  No.15818878

"Mee lee" or "May lay"?


685cc8  No.15818913

>>15818842

People make anti-nintendo posts all the time and I don't see them getting banned.

In fact, I'll make one right now.

Nintendo is a shitty company that makes toys for manchildren. They haven't released an outstanding game in 10 years and have wallowed in mediocrity since the SNES. Their hardware is consistently shit and their software is ruined over and over by poor calls made by upper management. The only reason they stay afloat is because of the sheer ineptitude and shortsightedness of their competition.

/v/ isn't a hivemind. Fuck off.


4a2da9  No.15818917

>>15818913

>Nintendo is a shitty company that makes toys for manchildren. They haven't released an outstanding game in 10 years and have wallowed in mediocrity since the SNES.

What is the N64 and the Gamecube? I don't even care if you're joking.


1fd18d  No.15818929

>>15818878

Mee Lay


685cc8  No.15818979

>>15818917

The N64 had a handful of decent games, Mario 64, The Zeldas, and the Banjo and Kazooie games, but overall it was mediocre. The controller was abysmal, in design and build quality.

The gamecube was as milquetoast as they come. With the exception of Smash Bros, Metroid, and F-Zero, Nintendo dropped the ball on all of their major franchises. Starfox was shit, Mario was shit, Zelda began it's downward spiral into shit. It felt the weakest to me, compared to the PS2 and Xbox.

It comes down to personal preference I suppose, but to me the N64 and Gamecube were the worst consoles to own of their generations.


643906  No.15819004

1. Yes, but not a traditional one

2. Yes


8d634d  No.15819023

File: 0100dcfeeb2db19⋯.png (231.15 KB, 640x540, 32:27, smash players.png)

File: e3ba798bded02a1⋯.jpg (96.93 KB, 1276x664, 319:166, smash bros.JPG)


81de01  No.15819024

no

yes


58d589  No.15819032

File: 7903ef093e9f0ad⋯.jpg (112.36 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, Beached BO.jpg)

>>15818842

>I don't mind giving a shirtless pic since I'm going to the beach soon anyway.

Just be sure that hippies don't try to throw you back into the ocean, Mark.


eb7d84  No.15819035

No and no.

It's imbalanced retarded shit as far as fightan gaems go and unfunny and tedious as far as party games go.


d06caa  No.15819051

>>15818874

Not really. Just some parts of it.


ef9a24  No.15819576

I consider it its own thing I guess. I like Smash and fighting games. The only reason I would consider it a party game is that you can have more than 2 players, which makes it fun at parties. The items don't really make that big of a difference I think in 1v1. The last Smash I played was Brawl though, and I don't play competitively but I liked Melee better since it still reminded me of the original N64 game and Adventure was fun.


38203f  No.15822845

I never found the question of whether smash was a fighting game or not relevant. It's obviously not a traditional 2D fighting game so it's moot. The better question and arguments around it seem to be more if it can competitively viable, has real depth in gameplay and be a good game to spectate. And some Smash games do this better then others.

As for whether I consider it a party game, I don't really know what people mean by this and why if so it can only be exclusively a party game and not also something else. Mario Kart could be considered a more party game but it's still clearly a racing game. Another issue is that you can strip out all of the party elements from Smash and still have the core game intact, so how much of a party game is it really?


cb7855  No.15826066

>>15818842

He took the "Juicy boi" pics when he was younger iirc


907e33  No.15826080

It's a fighting game because it describes the premise and game play better


50b3ca  No.15826258

The only reason I consider it a fighting game is because "party game" is not a real genre.


294cfe  No.15826303

>>15818796

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

No.

>2: Do you consider it a party game?

Sure? But even Goldeneye encroaches on that territory.


97f1ce  No.15826349

>>15818796

These are stupid questions, so expect nothing but stupid answers.

>Do you consider it a fighting game?

Every player picks a character and fights against the other players in melee combat with regular attacks, specials, ultra attacks, defending, dodging, grabbing and jumping to defeat them. Yes, it's a fighting game.

However you're not asking an honest question here since the definition of "fighting game" will be contested by the FGC niggers anyway. If you were going for the strict definition, things like Guilty Gear or Skullgirls and many others aren't fighting games either because they have or lack this one specific feature that's part of the definition.

If you want to go by that definition, then Smash is not a fighting game. But at that point you might as well replace "fighting game" with "Street Fighter clone" and leave it at that.

>Do you consider it a party game?

Again, this is not an honest question. You're asking if it's a game to be played with friends in a casual way, where serious competition has absolutely no place, you're not asking if the game is "fun with friends" or intended for a more casual audience.

If you're going by the tourneyfags definition, then it most certainly is not a party game. Removing items and stage hazards, focusing on 1v1 and restricting the characters you can use to a pre-aproved list is not acceptable if you just want to fuck around with your friends.

But if you can accept that the game will fudge things against you if you're already winning, if you can control the autism and deal with the unexpected and more importantly, if you value a serious chalenge and enjoying yourself more than simply winning, then it can be a party game.

And even then, this is meaningless. Any game with split screen or local co-op can be a party game. Guitar Hero can be played solo and still be a party game. Any game you can take turns or play together with someone else or just put out a great show for everyone else could be considered a party game.


58e3a3  No.15826359

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ab01aa  No.15826366

>>15818796

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

What difference does it make? No, I don't.

2: Do you consider it a party game?

What difference does it make? Yeah I do.

Why does it matter either way? Is it because of esports faggotry? Tourneyfags want their game to be seen as a fighting game in a similarly to how Journalists want video games to be seen as art?


684dd7  No.15826385

>>15818796

Party game as a term is so broad that it basically means absolutely fuck all and, while a unorthodox example, Smash shares enough in mechanics and concepts that I feel that it sits somewhere under the fighting game umbrella.


be2fc4  No.15826391

>>15826359

>that index finger

someone's been taking crystals.


3c01ef  No.15826401

File: 8914273ebb611b4⋯.gif (23.14 KB, 100x100, 1:1, mikabonk.gif)

>no

>yes

It's not hard really. At parties people will play smash, yet they won't play fighting games. It's simple math. The real question is why do people say that melee is more complex than fighting games, yet will never even touch a fighting game because it's too hard?


881f15  No.15826403

File: 4bf0c8072ab320a⋯.png (248.9 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, a1df0068a919b95196d27ec2e0….png)

>>15818796

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

Yes.

>2: Do you consider it a party game?

Also yes.

What do I win?


ab01aa  No.15826407

>>15826401

>The real question is why do people say that melee is more complex than fighting games,

People say this?


0aeb3a  No.15826416

What about Slap City ?


58e3a3  No.15826422

File: 45324d1e19a6882⋯.gif (251.34 KB, 300x300, 1:1, 51f4a289d42d4b37f27f741599….gif)

>>15826401

>At parties people will play smash, yet they won't play fighting games

I've been at parties where people play either one

>why do people say that melee is more complex than fighting games, yet will never even touch a fighting game because it's too hard?

Because it's easier to learn the basic mechanics of smash, but it remains difficult to master


31f9d1  No.15826462

>>15818796

>Do you consider it a fighting game?

Yes

>Do you consider it a party game?

What is a "party game"? People keep saying it, but no one actually defines what is a "party game".

>>15826349

This


d95feb  No.15826485

No matter how much the FGC spergs about Melee, Super Smash Bros. will always and forever be a party game. Sakurai himself has even gone on record to comment as much.


31f9d1  No.15826511

>>15826485

>Sakurai himself has even gone on record to comment as much.

https://archive.fo/KJ2f8

<Well, I wanted to offer an alternative to the two-dimensional fighting games that were crowding out the market. I also wanted to see if it was possible to make an interesting 4-player game that offered a new experience every time you play. Simply put, I was aiming to design a 4-player battle royal.


d2934e  No.15826568

>fighting game

Yes

>Party game

It is a game that can be played at parties yes


d2934e  No.15826579

>>15826462

A game that one could play at a party. I.e. quick to start and get in and out, quick sessions that last a couple minutes on average.

Ironically Mario Party does not fit this description.


684dd7  No.15826583

>>15826407

To sum it up, the range of inputs you get from actual analog control and just how free movement is in general has led to an obnoxiously high skill/execution ceiling for those who want to put in the work. The sheer amount of shit high level guys are inputting at a time on the fucking horribly unergonomic gamecube controller has infamously lead to a few fucking up their hands.

On top of that is, unlike normal fighting games, the way enemies react to certain actions can vary wildly in smash due to its percentage system and DI. Really, Melee just has a whole lot of moving parts that are left in the players hands to a degree that isn't seen in other games which lead to the sky being the limit.


b4a6a6  No.15826591

File: e0cc285e8309957⋯.jpg (817.98 KB, 1000x1509, 1000:1509, bowsetteu.jpg)

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

no

>2: Do you consider it a party game?

yes


31f9d1  No.15826597

>>15826579

>A game that one could play at a party. I.e. quick to start and get in and out, quick sessions that last a couple minutes on average.

Unless you're playing a strategy game or an RPG, that's just about everything out there. Tetris could be called a "party game", CoD could be called a "party game", F-Zero could be called a "party game", and so on.


98f47e  No.15826617

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9832e4  No.15826631

>>15826407

People who are familiar with one but not the other tend to overvalue the difficulty of what they know

Case in point: >>15826583


c269f9  No.15826643

>no

>yes

Too much of smash is left up to chance/luck that you can't really say that is has any concrete competitive base to build from. This very problem has been focused on with tr4sh and tr4.5h, along with other design tweaks by bamco to help "streamline" the game for "wider audiences" while also retaining the ESPORZcancer crowd. This obviously has been detrimental to the core experience of smash bros, and has had many people's taste soured.

The features of Melee that made it stand out were unintentional for the most part, and things just 'ended up the way they did.' Much like DaS, Tribes and Dota, Melee was 'lightning in a bottle.' There are more examples of games ending up having an unintentional depth through bugs and quirks, though I can't explicity remember any off-hand.

The mistake that every dev makes, is trying to catch that same 'lightning' in the bottle again, and expecting the same result. DaS2, Dota 2, Tribes Vengeanceand post plasma gun Ascend all tried to play on the same feeling and enjoyment players got from the previous games while not understanding why the players enjoyed from said earlier games.

tl;dr devs don't know why their games succeeded and drop the ball when trying to rehash something that was one-of-a-kind.


fb40c9  No.15826659

1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

No

2: Do you consider it a party game?

No

It's in the same genre as Kirby Super Star and other modern Kirby games, whatever that may be


684dd7  No.15826665

>>15826631

I'm more of an air dasher guy, myself, just had a buddy that was into melee a while back and I played a bit with him and a few others. Melee is fucking brutal to play well.


38203f  No.15826699

>>15826349

this pretty much sums it up

>>15826583

smash in general offers more movement, mobility and options then the average 2D fighting game so it would make sense that there may be more factors at play at a higher level. I don't know enough about either to confidentiality say one is more complex then the other though.


cb7855  No.15826777

File: 367e0be41c040a2⋯.png (900.41 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, vlcsnap-2013-06-15-18h23m4….png)

>>15826591

>normalfag bowshitte bait


a3c6c5  No.15826819

>>15818796

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

Yes. Just because it's not another fucking 2D Street Fighter knockoff doesn't mean it's not a fighting game.

>2: Do you consider it a party game?

What the fuck even is a party game? There's all this autism around if Smash is a fighting game or not, but where's the autism over what even is a party game? Because if you asked me, a party game would be defined as shallow entertainment that is designed for the Wii audience. Shit like Mario Party, Wii Sports, Just Dance. Games that normalfags own just to play for 15 minutes at parties and then get back to their heavy drinking.


0854ce  No.15834859

Of course it's a fighting game, what a silly thing to even argue over. "Party game" is not a meaningful video game genre description.


cf55e8  No.15835108

File: a94c9268388a756⋯.jpg (101.35 KB, 400x315, 80:63, Friendlist.jpg)

>>15818796

1. No, it was never intended as one.

2. Yes, just like Sakurai.


7a5632  No.15843532

File: edc0c78211c114e⋯.jpg (114.1 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, LeffenvsGo1.jpg)

>>15826401

>implying


b02399  No.15843562

>>15818802

/thread


ceec01  No.15843576

File: 03deb414bebd267⋯.gif (195.72 KB, 226x350, 113:175, Chamber_of_Understanding.gif)

>>15818796

wouldn't the autistic thing to do be to argue about it?


c529f5  No.15843602

TWO QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS THREAD:

1: Do you consider it low quality?

2: Did you check my dubs?

I want you to sage in this one.


695710  No.15843684

File: 7eed123228031b9⋯.png (116.17 KB, 229x300, 229:300, Mario Bros.png)

>>15826643

>>15835108

Adaptation is the greatest skill to have. This is a fact the old fighter formula purists won't be able to grasp until they get better.

Smash Bros.' in-game items and other unpredictable variables are precisely what makes Smash Bros. competitively superior to every other fighting game franchise.


4a2da9  No.15847417

>>15818796

>1: Do you consider it a fighting game?

A platform fighting game yes.


17c851  No.15847444

File: 5a83226cef43fc3⋯.jpeg (129.5 KB, 1024x642, 512:321, 751b10edc40919b0c542c920f….jpeg)

>>15818796

>Does Melee cause autism.

YES




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