/v/ - Video Games

>>15795020

The trilogy-shit EA forced them ruined it, the post-game story DLCs could have been a third game that introduced more and more build-up, especially the shitty novels. It's pretty sad that people care more about gay-lesbian-alien sex than an overall coherent vision and having a happy fucking ending when all your choices never fucking mattered, and whole trilogy doesn't stand up to scrutiny with the themes and the purpose and motivations of the Rapers, I mean Reapers.

>>15795020

This series still hurts.

>>15795020

Well just wait until you play MA3, you'll like MA2 even more in comparison.

Videogames post 07 are a stockholder scam and a lot of you are fucking retarded for falling for this kind of shit, including Bioshit.

i wish the dynamic of me3 was human lead reaper tech cerberus or joint super gay alien friendship squad. i thought it was really wierd that the whole reaper thing ended up some weird synthetic versus bio thing. i always thought that was just a smaller part of finding peace in the galaxy between so many species and the core decision should have ultimately been sacrifice earth for the sake of many different species or save earth but sacrifice aliens and that ultimately what the goal of the reapers were was irrelevant but how you responded to it was the main focus

>>15795142

I played ME3 back in the day and it pissed me off, it's a big reason I became a bitter fuck who spends time here.

>>15795061

>That theme

Still fucking good, the Suicide Mission was one of the best moments I've played in a game. The whole fact everything you did in the game mattered for the final outcome was brilliant too fucking bad ME3 wasn't the same

Bioware was never good.

>>15795170

That's all it is, public stock is fucking cancerous.

>>15795200

Thats because the original story was dropped and this was added in which is why is seems so weird.

>>15795211

ME3 was pretty much when I looked at all the modern games I had been playing and realized they weren't fun. This was my eye opener. I remember I was in the room with my brother and both of us saying "THATS IT?"

Fucking terrible and waste.

>>15795271

What is that, an estim dildo for a Salarian cuntboy?

Fun fact:

The mass effect 2 savegame affects many ingame things in frog fractions 2 unlike in mass effect 3

>>15795257

>>15795289

There are actually two major events in ME3 where "your choices matter" and those are the Krogran genophage and the Quarian Geth war.

>>15795020

Best game in the series

>>15795317

It makes sense from a mechanical point of view. The game's after all pretty much a cover shooter.

>>15795317

Okay then what the fuck was the lore justification in the first game for infinite ammo?

>>15795317

The instant I saw that there was ammo in ME2 I had a terrible terrible feeling about the rest of the game to come.

>>15795359

In ME1 guns had a block of alloy stored inside of them, and an absolutely insignificant amount would be scraped from the block and fired via railgun/mass effect energy (iirc) giving the tiny shred of metal enough power to do scifi level weaponry damage. The tradeoff is that this process heated up the gun, so instead of having to reload you could either smartly space out your shots in order to avoid overheating, or if your gun overheated you would have to wait for a cooldown period.

>>15795257

>that spoiler

But why.

>>15795272

It's more like EA pushes devs harder each game until they crack and fall apart. They didn't own Bioware until they were midway through making ME2 and DA:O was finally nearing completion.

Was Mass Effect ever good? Even the fist one seems like some console kiddie gay shit

>>15795264

ME3 in a way saved me from being a total faggot.

>>15795622

it was GOTY and its still the best WRPGs can do i think

>>15795622

Not really.

It was thoroughly mediocre as a game and as a sci-fi setting and only gets any praise because of how much worse the sequels are and how bad WRPG's in general have been for the past fifteen or more years.

>>15795344

Nigga the Sentinal is you charging at enemies left and right, cover shooting is basically punishment for playing as the Soldier.

Why is it that they used a male model for default Shepard, but the female version is generic facegen? Their CC is fucking terrible so I couldn't even make an attractive girl with it. They all look like fetal alcohol syndrome victims, and nothing you can do with the sliders fixes that.

>>15795447

>It's more like EA pushes devs harder each game until they crack and fall apart

Nah, it's just corporate sabotage, that's a dime a dozen occurrence.

>>15795317

It's especially dumb because it makes the game worse, not just the story.

>no more customizing a sniper rifle to fire a single extremely powerful explosive bullet and overheat immediately

>no more guns with cryo rounds that can fire forever

>>15795344

The mechanical point of view is actually the worst part.

>add tedium of hunting ammo

>game does that bullshit "false scarcity" thing where you're drip-fed ammo drops only when you're almost out so you're constantly hunting tiny bits of ammo

>takes away the fun of designing your own weapon with different mods to have tradeoffs like heat vs damage

>no more infinite-fire but moderately weak guns focused on good cooling

>no more scram rail plus explosive rounds for a weapon that packs a big punch but has to be fired in short bursts to avoid overheating

>no more cramming together as much damage as you can into a sniper rifle for maximum single shot damage but the gun overheats on the first shot

All that gone, now you just have gay reloading and ammo scrounging. Wow, great mechanics.

See, some sort of "disposable heatsink addon" that you could reload to quickly drop your weapon's heat would have been a good addition to the existing ME1 system (you could even have given it some sort of Gears of War style active reload thing to add a bit more engagement and skill rewarding, call it "coolant cycle" or something and doing it properly lowers your heat more and makes the whole thing take place more quickly while fucking it up leads to the heatsink being wasted). Instead they took out the ME1 system, which was a good system, and replaced it with heatsinks only, with terrible results.

>>15795622

>console kiddie gay shit

what the fuck does this even mean

If you go into Mass Effect expecting a mindblowing masterpiece of gaming, you'll be let down. If you go into it expecting a fun, sci-fi romp in space with a ragtag team of soldiers trying to save the universe, you'll have a good time.

The combat is a little clunky and the driving bits are frustrating, but neither are game-ruining. The fun lies in the characters, the development of the story, and the mood and tone set by the game's visual and audial design.

>>15795264

>>15795633

ME3 triggered my bitter industry critic mode as well

which has done nothing but ensured I've played only decent or better games since

Vanguard's Charge is still the funnest game mechanic in the whole series. Hands down. Zipping from place to place, mowing down enemies with your trusty shotgun up close and personal. It's simply the best. I still have vivid memories of fighting against that Vanguard Asari Spectre in the Shadow Broker mission. With both of you zipping across the battlefield.

>>15795770

Yeah the Infiltrator involves positioning I'm talking the Soldier where you just sit in one spot and adrenaline rush everything and go back into cover before all the bullets hitting you kills you. The only reason people recommend the Soldier for sniping over the Infiltrator is because he gets the better damage output from his upgraded AR.

I also got the names wrong it's the Vanguard with the charge attacks.

>>15795796

>The fun lies in the characters, the development of the story, and the mood and tone set by the game's visual and audial design.

The tone in is shit since it's all just build-up from a clunky half-assed 3rd person action game set in space to a meandering shitty ending on Earth.

>>15795622

The first one was legit a rough gem.

>>15795792

Sounds great when you spin it like that and completely ignore how ass the combat was in the first game. All the different weapons and armor in ME1 were % here or % here x rank, and I don't know about you but even on highest difficulty I picked the shit that looked the best. Or spectre gear because OP shit. Weapon mods, though? Great idea. Except it always came down to wait until your relevant weapon skill cooldown is ready and go ham without worrying about heat or whatever. Those explosive rounds? I've fired them fullauto with overkill.

>>15795829

Also infiltrator had a passive .5 second slowtime on sniper aim and the soldier has on demand bullet time. I still prefer the widow to the reverent though. Something comfy about hoisting a field gun around.

>>15795317

I hated that conversation in ME3. It's clear whoever wrote was the one who came up with the concept of thermal clips and simply wanted to lecture the nerds who didn't like his retarded idea.

>"Hey shepherd why are guns using thermal clips now?"

>"UM WOW CONRAD DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS AWESOME NEW AMMO SYSTEM WE JUST INVENTED? HAHA YOU'RE SO PATHETIC."

>"B-but why go from guns not needing ammo to guns needing am-"

>"IT'S NOT FUCKING AMMO ASSHOLE! YOU JUST CAN'T FIRE A WEAPON IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A THERMAL CLIP IT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND IT'S MORE EFFICIENT THAN WAITING 5 SECONDS FOR YOUR GUN TO COOLDOWN YOU ENTITLED FANBOYS!"

>"o-okay sure haha whatever you say Sheperd you're still my hero"

>"FUCKING WHITE MALES!"

>>15795792

ME1's gameplay was pretty ass, where 2's while a cover shooter was fun to play.

>>15795867

They're decent enough actually. Grab the galaxy edition torrent. EA actually never released a complete edition but pirates did and the two sequels are worth a playthrough.

>>15795954

Your hypervelocity space gun that never needs to be reloaded is being hacked by niggers! Do you:

>replace it with a six shooter

>turn off the wifi

>>15795954

Sacrifice infinite ammo because of hackers? Literally any other solution would be tried first.

>>15795978

This, pretty much.

>>15795954

What you've stated is not the reason for the heatsinks and wouldn't stop the hackers cause the actual mechanism they'd hack didn't actually change.

>>15795999

tali has a more human looking face than miranda

>Thermal clips aren't an awful idea, but the way Bioware shoved it in purely to cater to casualfags was the worst way they could've done it.

Your understanding of why there are thermal clips at all is off base: EA wanted to directly cater to CoD kiddies and demanded the inclusion of ammo management for some dumbass reason. Something about people not understanding that a gun with infinite ammo might need the player to stop firing for 2 seconds to cool down.

There is a line in the ini file for ME2's PC version that activates cooldown for every weapon. The designers KNEW thermal clips were a bad idea.

>>15796075

It's not really fair to call her out on daddy issues; nearly every one of your allies' stories is about daddy issues in ME2

>>15796045

>>15796116

The solution was so fucking obvious and simple it amazes me Bioware never went with it.

> All weapons can eject and replace a thermal clip (if available) for an immediate cooldown

> Else they vent and cooldown over time

The way they butchered their own lore to cater to faggots that don't play RPGs in the first place baffles me.

>>15796123

In fact, that is exactly how it plays with cooldown enabled in the ini

Still sucks that a trained marine with a rifle can't fucking autocenter when he stops firing though. ME2's gunplay was downright inconvenient

>>15796122

Origins was awful even compared to Mass Effect 3.

>>15796123

Honestly, if they wanted to get people to move more in battles rather than just huddle behind a single chest high wall and pop out, they could just make cover breakable. You then change some of the class abilities, like Sentinels can set up cover so they aren't fucking worthless and can use that to close in on the enemy. This would likely fuck over adepts, but I'm sure something like having abilities that do a lot of damage to cover might mitigate that.

>>15796154

Not really since most of adepts skills can be curved around cover or just flat out ignores it.

>>15795020

>Streamlining of RPG features

Friendly reminder that the downgrade of RPG elements in Mass Effect 2 was a consequence of a shitty review made by Dean Takahashi. He gave a bad review of ME1, saying that the game was so difficult that he didn't finish the story. After the review was posted, people told him that there was a menu where he could assign talent pointsfor each character when he level up. They also told him that he could have changed the armors and the weapons too if he had bothered to look into the menus.

The guy who made a fool of himself playing Cuphead is also the one who ruined Mass Effect.

>>15796171

>Dean Takahashi

>Some mongrel from california singlehandedly made the game shit

I'm pretty skeptic but I'l believe it.

>>15796116

They brought back the heat sink in ME:A but as a perk that you can use when you craft a weapon. I think it was called "vintage heat sink".

>>15796180

I don't have the link to the article or a screenshot but it was posted several times in previous ME threads.

>>15796162

If I remember correctly, they made it so that adept skills don't do that much if the enemy has shields or armor. Its been a bit, though.

>>15796187

Yeah thats true, shields werent that much of a problem since smg's with any ammo power just delete them but armors a bit trickier.

>>15796154

>Honestly, if they wanted to get people to move more in battles rather than just huddle behind a single chest high wall and pop out,

Or they can just setup the levels to have you get flanked at all times and force you to move instead of convenient cover at the entrance every single time. Or set the whole thing up like a puzzle game kinda like Punch-Out.

>>15796216

The unit design of the later games makes no sense if their goal was to stop people camping behind cover.

All sorts of units were added that 1-2 shot the player on the highest difficulty, or was their target audience the retards who play on game journalist difficulty?

>>15796221

I want them to make more. Maybe they will go bankrupt on the next try and be finally sent to the EA graveyard.

>ME2 shitters enjoying their streamlined gameplay and borderline genre change

Everything wrong with the game industry right there, fucking casuals cant even into babbys first RPG

>>15796254

Fucking how? Isnt the level up screen displayed each and every time you go out on a mission?

How do you fucking miss that?

>>15796304

I remember playing the multiplayer and never unlocking those two weapons because they were only available in RNG boxes.

>>15796283

>Fucking how

By being a professional video games journalist.

>>15795272

EA didn't buy BioWare until ME was done and DA:O was halfway done. Your theory is shit.

>>15795020

The plot is just a lame excuse to throw a bunch of neat shit and cool characters at you. It worked for me. The streamlining and no inventory was shit, but at least the combat was more fluid and at least they fixed that in ME3.

I liked it a lot, probably the last truly good game by BioWare.

I think ME3 is okay-ish if you use MEHEM

>>15796333

>MEHEM

Wot?

I do agree with you tho, with all the dlc's theres a decent selection of weapons and playstyles and the core gameplay has changed little from 2.

Story sucks and DLC weapons are 100 times better than vanilla ones so as always, pirating is the only option.

>>15796342

The Mass Effect Happy Ending Mod, basically a mod that fixes the broken ending. Of course it doesn't fix any of the shit writing along the way, but at least it makes the game not completely worthless.

Also, the multiplayer was surprisingly fun. I didn't even mind playing it to unlock the "best" ending.

>>15796304

>Also some really shitty basic rifle which they probably brought back to say "See? It's shit. Clearly our heatsink weapons are superior."

The lancer is one of the best weapons in the game anon, it does more damage than the basic assault rifle and with mods you can get it to kill an atlas without having to wait for ammo regen even on highest difficulty.

>>15796347

Oh, I just usually delete my save when I reach the final part because I dont want to spend 5 minutes limping to select what colored ending I get.

Multiplaer isnt even necessary for the best ending, I wish unlocks werent RNG based on it though. I've played like 200h with friends and I still havent gotten the lancer or the particle rifle.

Friend got particle rifle within his 10 first hours of multiplayer.

1 was great but lacking in a lot of areas. It set the stage for bigger and better things to come. Then 2 was a lot lighter on RPG mechanics but made up for it with better gameplay, not counting the thermal clip stupidity. I loved it when I was more casual, blinded-by-hype fanboy. Now I can look back and safely say its not good. Killing off Shepard at the start of the game was abysmal too. I don't care how long and expensive it was to resurrect Shepard (for reasons lul), cheapening death for the player character does not do anything for me.

2 also had a shit tier story with a few good pieces in there. 2 should have been about traveling all around the galaxy to find a way to fight the Reapers while also having to manage the Collector threat. Perhaps even one or the other, you save this colony but lose out on important tech/plans. Make players have to choose between saving lives or being ruthlessly pragmatic and letting them die. Of course, some colonies will pay off later and some would not. Just like not all tech/plans you go to find would be amazing.

Lets not even talk about 3's problems. Sad to say, Mass Effect is ultimately a one hit wonder to me. First is great but with a heap of problems. 2 fixes some of them but is dragged down immensely by poor story decisions and EA fuckery. 2 was a shitshow as was 3.

>2 had better gameplay

Okay someone is going to have to explain this to me. Is it just a 'shooting yourself in the foot is better than shooting yourself in the dick' situation or do people actually think that gears of war in space had good gameplay? Or for that matter good enough gameplay that it's actually a point worth discussing in comparing the first and second game.

>>15796154

You can give the abilities like shockwave, singularity, and probably some others the power to destroy cover. Warp and throw already can be angled to hit targets behind cover. Lift is just AoE. There are so many possibilities to make ME combat fun. BioWare never thought about any of them. Breakable cover would be a step in a right direction with different ammo types and different weapon classes being able to penetrate different materials.

>>15796351

>one of the best weapons

I haven't actually used it, but I doubt it. According to stats on wiki, there are at least 7 automatic weapons that deal more damage within a single clip and most of them have higher accuracy too.

>>15796411

The combat in ME1 is bad.

The combat in ME2 isn't irritating nor gratifying.

It's worth mentioning that in ME2 it is better.

>>15796351

> I wish unlocks werent RNG based on it though. I've played like 200h with friends and I still havent gotten the lancer or the particle rifle. Friend got particle rifle within his 10 first hours of multiplayer.

What I hated about the multiplayer is that they kept adding different types of loot boxes so I've never managed to get the stuff I wanted.

ME:A somehow improved on that, I've noticed that if you keep buying the basic crate you will unlock and level up the characters most of the time so once you get them to rank XX you have more chances to unlock better weapons. Too bad the multiplayer is buggy as hell and also dead.

>>15796411

It's casuals, same faggots that prefer fallout 3/4 over the first two for example.

>>15796416

I don't think the combat was improved. They removed the customization. You can't change your loadout or your armor during a mission.

>>15796392

They should have dropped the Reapers storyline altogether. They are stuck in a deep space, milions of light years away from us. The conduct is destroyed. The Citadel is safe. They can't get here. Nothing good came out of ccontinuing that storyline. Eldrich abominations should never be explained or rationalised. They lose too much of their mystery if you can understand them and kill them. In 2 you're a Spectre send to investigate the problem with human colonies going dark in the attican traverse. The Collectors are still the enemy but they came to be after one of the races in the traverse irresponsibly opened a mass relay to their homeworld. You operate outside of the citadel space so you have to rely on the locals to neutralise the threat.

>>15796425

It appeals to a completely different group of gamers, so of course once they hop on the ME2 entry and compare it to 1 you get these fags.

>>15796411

Let's look at a couple aspects:

Gunplay

ME1's gunplay worked by giving you a potential hit zone ring that got wider as you fired. Better guns and better stats narrowed this ring. Advantage: your trained space marine hero can keep a gun trained on a target or even area, and in spite of accuracy always returns to center

ME2 made every gun fairly accurate, but kick like mule and you never return to center. Guns that kick upward will have you wrestling with the camera just to keep an eye on the for. Advantage: realism I guess, but it's nothing hut CoD kiddie pandering

Cover

This is pretty much IIRC. ME1 has you press into a wall or obstacle to take cover

ME2 has you press a button to confirm it. A matter of preference

Again, IIRC

Issuing commands

I concede that 2's interface for giving squadmates orders is a little bit better than 1's

Vehicles

So many whiners complain about the mako. Yeah it's bouncy but that fucker is all-terrain as fuck. The real disadvantage to it is how much you are forced to use it to get anywhere in a reasonable timeframe.

ME2 introduced the hammerhead hovercraft. And it is incredibly fun, aside from a dearth of health. The problem? DLC only. All they could think of to address the complaints about the mako was to cut out vehicles from the main campaign entirely, and then they give us something that would make a damn fine replacement only for it to be DLC exclusive. Fucking bullshit

>>15796314

That's where bioware's retardation comes in handy. Despite selling those loot boxes for real cash you could also get them for credits from playing missions, and the amount the missions reward is determined by a single line in one of the ini files. I made it so a single objective on bronze would give 300mil credits then bought enough boxes to unlock everything.

>>15796460

With the issuing of commands. In 1 if you give a command, the power of the squad mate with travel in a straight line to target, usually getting hit on a wall. In 2 there's a box around the enemy when you have him in camera which allows for powers to travel around cover and hit enemies, some powers like impact shot just work on their target but sometimes hits a wall if you aim too low into cover.

2's cover while a thing of it's time, was much improved to 1 as most of the time you'd be out in the open and have to use a container or something to block their LoS.

>>15796483

Wow is that thing still possible on PC? I'm interested

The only good thing about that game are the characters and story. Gameplay is boring, RPG elements non-existent and the level design feels like a rail shooter.

>>15796859

>You forgot about Kaidan.

"and that's a good thing"

I'll never understand why /v/ prefers carrying 100 useless guns/armor suits on their person to what Mass Effect 2 did.

mass effect 2 was probably the last good bioware game, I think it came after dragon age origins anyway. Shame, everything you love turns to dust

>>15796873

I still don't understand how they made someone that was trained by psychopaths and routinely experiences migraines because of his powers the most boring character in the entire series.

fixing the skill system was nice but not worth dropping the rng weapon/gear drops and infinite ammo

>>15796897

The VA likely had a lot to do with it. Not that his script helped, but he sounded bored all the way.

>>15795429

To laugh at the terrible dialogue and glitches, while hoping in vain that the combat and exploration might be enjoyable. Also because completing the main trilogy left a void in me. In the end, it made ME3 seem like a god tier game in comparison.

>>15796239

Apparently, EA has put the kibosh on the new Dragon Age, so you may get your wish soon. All depends on how Anthem does.

nice blog

>>15796882

The inventory system is legitimately awful, who is defending that here?

>>15795814

Vanguard was a ton of fun. Also had a lot of fun playing as an Engineer and using Tali and cheanting to unlock Legion from the start: triple drone swarm.

In any case, I played ME3 for one reason only: to find out if that guy on the Citadel got his refund or not.

>>15795661

I would until they did that reveal in 3 that made her human with plugs in her. They had all his artwork of possible alien looks under the mask and they went with a 5 minute photoshop of a stock image colored purple? They hyped up the reveal for this? What a fucking disappointment for Tali. I will not sing-a-long with her.

>>15796347

How does it compare to the official redo of the ending? I assume it is another of case of dev's being 'inspired' by a mod and incoperating 'some' of it into the main game without even the slightest bit of credit given.

>>15797432

Then there was the thing with Grunt, talking about the relative difficulty of killing the various species with a knife. From the way he phrased things, he rated quarians more difficult than turians. I think they at some point had a much more alien physiology, maybe something with an exoskeleton?

>>15797609

>official redo of the ending

That's just an extended version of the garbage ending sold to you as a DLC.

Don't believe their lies. Install MEHEM

>>15796504

You could just pirate the game plus all multiplayer DLCs, emulate the server on your network and then edit your profile to have as many gorrillion credits as you want, and it's still not worth it because the entirety of MP is just a cheap horde mode.

>>15797619

I think he just meant the suit. A lot of people seem to think the quarian enviro-suit is flimsy but it's got to be made of tough material. We know it has lot of seals and compartments to contain punctures and breaches.

>>15797814

Considering this >>15795750 Humans would hold themselves back from devouring QT Quarians like wild beasts and eye them like predators whenever they drop the suit after about 15ish minutes that would only get worse as time goes on. In a matter of hours the Quarian is absolutely exhausted from the constant sex since the Human male would stop caring about things like "death by cold" or "death by incompatible fluids". Only his dick being so hard for so long that it hurts would stop him by that point.

>>15797814

The volus are space jews so they'd be the ones shooting he porn.

>>15797814

I’ve seen several people mostly on the specific xeno fetish boards and threads that enjoy the idea of female turians. Then the monkey’s paw gave them their wish in Andromeda.

>>15797949

Wait a minute, aren't Krogan supposed to have four testicles?

>>15797958

Yes

>>15797958

Salarians don't have a sexual appetite either. Not that that matters in porn…or rape

>>15798022

Or

>Go tank and just steamroll through everything with very little effort.

>>15795999 (checked)

Great taste anon, Anon is the best and most underrated ME waifu.

>>15797609

Satisfying as it is, the rejection ending is considered a nonstandard game over instead of the proper safeguarding of the future that it depicted

>>15795020

>Streamlining of RPG features

No this was extremely terrible. There was no need to streamline it this much. Its barely an RPG really and probably should not even be considered one with the pitiful skill tree it had. I like the idea behind the choice of two paths each power has but the powers should have did 3 paths per power instead. This would have been far better for diversity on builds. They also should have retained the same amount of squares as the previous game. Especially since every class had powers removed anyways. I can ramble on more but the point is ME2 is so bastardized its disgusting. Also do not like that massive amount of retcons and asspulls to the story the game had. A massive disappointment overall. This fucking game neutered my favorite class (the adept) and I'll never choose it over the first on this alone.

>>15795380

Read this in the codex dude's voice.

>>15795661

>fucking a three fingered hazmat whore

upgrade your taste or go back to cuckchan

>>15797975

>christ, there really is porn of everything

hownew.ru

>>15798420

>upgrade your taste

To what? There is no “best girl” in Mass Effect as all of them are trash. Tali is the best by default because she’s the least worst option.

>>15798465

FemShep is best girl

>>15798498

True.

>>15798246

They should have reworked the RPG stuff into something better then what was in 1.

ME2 is overrated even by people who should know better. The gameplay and character advancement just wasn't good enough to carry a game of that length, every aspect of it, every area in the game was so streamlined and simplistic. The final mission is good but doing a 100% run including sidequests, DLC etc. makes you feel like you're being lobotomized after a while.

Also heavy weapon ammo being so precious and limited was gay as fuck IIRC, because some of those guns were kind of cool.

>>15795081

>It's pretty sad that people care more about gay-lesbian-alien sex

You really don't know who pulls the strings and why, uh?

>>15798855

Oh i hear you. When I played FF12 (was 16 at the time) when I was chaining wolves in the desert, I'd often stop and masturbate to them because they had a faintly rendered asshole texture

>>15797851

>We'll never get a hanar biotic companion

>We'll never meet a hardcore hanar spectre who warms up to you and helps you when you win his trust

Also fuck you Bioware for turning this game's story into yet another "YOU'RE THE CHOSEN ONE" story. I want to go around the galaxy being a specter, getting shit done and giving zero shits about the law.

>>15797432

Tali looking human would've been fine by me if they hadn't been so lazy about it. Give me an actual 3D Model, not a cheap photoshop of a real person.

>>15795954

What's the story behind that image?

>>15798798

>doesn't take the knot

into the trash

>>15795954

Except you can still do that to people in ME2-Andromeda, changing to clips didn't fix shit.

>>15796045

>>15796123

The solution was a fucking mechanic in the 1st game, there were mods in the end game where you could EASILY make any gun completely heatless unless you did some madman shit like firing explosive assault rifle bullets.

>>15795151

This

>>15798989

>the country where doing this is considered great cooking is dominating the world little by little.

You mean chaining as much of the world as possible to avert its inevitable failure?

>>15795317

A smarter dev would have written the lore so that the the ME1 weapons were increasing in lethality and shields were increasing in protectiveness too quickly (i.e. level 1 -> 50 equipment) to the point that reusable heat sinks couldn't keep up and they had to switch back to clips. Guns that could stay within the heat tolerances of old ammo wouldn't do shit to ME2 shields and armor and the heat in an expended clip is so great that it can't dissipate in any reasonable timeframe for battle.

That way you explain away both the clips and the lack of gun leveling (guns hit the absolute best they could be with current heat sink tech).

>>15795061

Sadly it got made irrelevant by 3 where nobody shows up again anyway.

>>15795999

Miranda is a genetically altered man, and can't have children.

>>15806174

That kind of dramatic weapon progression would also dramatically reduce the Reaper threat, however, since they don't really innovate.

>>15800627

>tfw no qt autist gf to smear peanut butter on

End it all.

>>15795114

That fucking Krogan fight scene is hilarious though. Andromeda was such a fucking mess.

>>15798899

It is one of those massively overrated games that people refuse to admit they were wrong about. So they basically double down on their praise for the game and refuse to ever acknowledge the criticism on the game besides the more minor things like the planet scanning being crap. At least its universally agreed that was awful.

>Also heavy weapon ammo being so precious and limited was gay as fuck IIRC, because some of those guns were kind of cool.

Yeah those special weapons were really good actually. One of the games strong points.

>>15806174

This still would not have fixed everything since it would make no logical sense for literally everyone in the universe including Jacob's dad to be using the tech so fast. Bioware wasn't going to be smart enough to logically think out who should even have access to the heat sink or thermals anyways. The entire concept to begin with was extremely retarded and it alone actually ruined the lore that badly. And it was just one of many things that ruined the series.

>>15798965

>kero_tries_to_make_mark_moderate_his_board.mp4

>>15820644

Mark does an amazing job as board owner. Fuck you.

>>15828457

>Mark does an amazing job as board owner. Fuck you.

Fuck off, hotpocket.

>>15819760

Miranda is also a complete and utter cunt. Tali is the only good waifu.

>>15795061

Ah the mother fucking final mission. The biggest redflag. That mother fucking Reaper Terminator.

>>15795264

I still remember beating ME3.

>Replayed through ME and the DLC

>Imported save to 2/DLC

>If at any time I didn't have exactly what I wanted I would go back and redo it right.

>Had the perfect save for ME3

>Day of launch I walk a few blocks to the local game store

>Had to go back an hour later cause I was wrong on when they opened.

>Get the game, buy the on disc DLC

>Beat the game in two days.

>I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety as a kid.

>The feeling of emptiness and overwhelming disappointment I had when I turned off my tv and went to bed, it was something else.

I then laughed my ass off when years later I saw that post of the brand new straight from a target distribution center overstock section, piles of copies marked to 12 bucks at Goodwill.

>>15838848

>>15838791

>Not legion

Gay.

Did we play the same game ME2 was complete ass, dull as shit with no good gameplay, almost walking sim tier

>>15838977

>Really enjoyed ME 1 and 2 as a dumb, young 20-something

>Hyped for ME 3, but get cucked by my GF at the time who has to play it first.

>Demand she not play in the same room as me or talk about the game in any way to avoid spoilers

>Lose my save data for 1 and 2

>Lose the will to actually play through them again to get everything back to where it was

>Autism won't allow me to play 3 without save data

>GF really annoyed that she can't talk to me about the game months after

>Never actually get around to playing 3 at all.

All in all I'm glad I dodged that bullet, but I might still see the train wreck for myself one of these days.

>>15839454

The best way to play ME3

>Get all the DLC

>When you're supposed to go to earth, just do the DLCs.

>End with the Citadel DLC

>Make up your own ending for the main plot because it will be better.

>Don't go to earth, the game dies there, in terms of plot and enjoyment.

>>15839405

I miss Drew's writing, he's not great at creating his own universe but give him a sci fi world, tell him the rules and let loose. You will get an enjoyable story for the most part.

>>15838848

That was such a good way to bring it all together. The collectors are modified Protheans, being used to collect members of the race responsible for destroying a reaper, to make a replacement reaper. A human form reaper! Then ME3 comes around and all the reaper ships look like Sovereign. I was really disappointed that the reapers didn't have diversity, would have made the ME2 ending feel more real.

>>15839498

>End with the Citadel DLC

Neck yourself tumblr. Citadel DLC was the worst pandering cringe trash ever to be released for vidya. Don't make me post the sing along.

>>15839541

>Don't make me post the sing along.

Do it faggot.

>>15839541

>>15848347

>sing along

you mean this one

>>15839412

>>15795317

>Something that makes no logical sense like infinite ammo

>Actually it was that bastardly second game that did it wrong

Fanfags deserve the bullet tbh.

>>15795377

Also this.

>>15854421

>Actually it was that bastardly second game that did it wrong

Retcons are always dumb.

>>15854425

>Implying hundreds of years in the future they didn't have the production capabilities to switch over to heatsinks when we already have the capabilities to have fully autonomous factories

>Implying something that isn't even contridictory is in fact contridictory

>Nevermind that heatsinks are even faster to reload than just waiting for the gun to not burn your hand off and your armor/shields

>>15854465

And yet you now have the ability to run out of ammo in a galaxy where that problem ceased existing decades ago. No decent military would turn that down; in fact the only people who would even want them are those who don’t need that much ammo to begin with, like security guards or personal pistols.

Also

>first game made it not only possible but piss easy to mod your gun to fire forever

It was purely a gameplay change, there was zero effort in trying to make it fit the lore

>>15854421

>no logical sense

The actual bullet is a pellet that’s barely visible shaved off an incredibly dense block of metal. The block gets replaced with regular maintenance, but it shaved off so little at a time it’s effectively infinite in most battles.

How is that not logical

>>15795020

The Suicide Mission is both a triumph and a tragedy. The Human Reaper is pantsu on head retarded and destroying the Collector base actually doesn't matter in the end because the Reapers invade anyway.

The mission is excellently designed and actually having the game be one long build up to it is great.

>>15854547

>The mission is excellently designed and actually having the game be one long build up to it is great.

It was something you very rarely see anymore.

>>15854519

>>15854528

>Ignores thermodynamics to: "the guns heat will just dissipate in thin air in a couple seconds"

>At end game you can keep firing for almost ever

>It makes perfect sense

>>15854670

The game breaks conservation of energy regularly. The whole idea of a mass effect field is that when you run electrical current through element zero it changes the mass of an object relative to the rest of the universe. You can make a heavy object light, accelerate it, and then return it to its original mass (or even make it heavier than its original mass) while keeping its speed in tact for a huge increase in the energy output. The explanation for how mass effect technology breaks thermodynamics is some of the first words told to the player at the beginning of ME1.

In that context, the explanation that guns use tiny grains of a larger block and modify the mass with element zero is actually a creative and logical evolution of weaponry. It makes sense within the universe and is actually good sci-fi writing.

It's a testament to the incompetence and creative bankruptcy of the developers that instead of finding a way to make a fun gameplay system with that sort of gunplay they instead opted to take the lazy route and copy and paste the mechanics from every other shooter.

>>15796254

Game Journos get the bullet first.

>>15797851

Considering Tentacle porn has existed for 100s of years in Japan (see old paintings of women and octopus) I don't think mankind will escape that degeneracy that soon.

>>15839423

>almost walking sim tier

You zoomer faggots really need to stop abusing that word because it already pretty much doesn't mean anything. You're almost constantly shooting stuff in ME2, I don't see how it could even slightly approach being a walking sim.

>>15857023

Dawn Star and Silk Fox are better. Jack, like everyone in ME2, is just her own flavor of daddy issues ("woe is me I grew up in an experimental facility going through innumerable tortures but actually they were trying their best for my benefit and I'm actually just completely misremembering everything so I can justify the tortured artist look")

>>15857076

>but actually they were trying their best for my benefit and I'm actually just completely misremembering everything

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>>15854931

It's more likely that speed and momentum stops as weight is increased. I mean, Stasis is pretty much just maximum application of Mass Up on a person, causing their weight to become too heavy for them to move any more, but at the same time increasing their density so much that they're essentially invulnerable.

Also see how spaceships slow down when coming out of FTL; they don't actually reverse thrust and retard their acceleration, they just tend to pop out and suddenly are going much, much slower.

That said, mass effect fields break physics in so many ways anyhow that it's not even worth thinking about.

>>15857076

1) Jack was abducted by batarians and sent to a cerberus research base

2) Jack was given mind altering drugs

3) Other than Jacob and Taylor, none of the squad members had any actual daddy issues

>>15857115

*and miranda

>>15857115

>>15857116

>Wrex:

>Daddy didn't understand the genophage so I killed him, now I'm wandering the galaxy as a broody angst mercenary because I don't have the quad to go back and actually fix shit

>Ashley

>Muh grandpa was a spineless fuck so I'm being discriminated against!

>Garrus

>"I want to be a Spectre but daddy won't let me!"

>Thane

>I'm a complete failure as a father so now my son is being a complete retard

>Grunt

>Daddy died before I was out of the tank, now I'm going through puberty without anyone to take me to a stripbar and give me "the talk"

>Legion

>collective daddy tried to shut us down, so we kicked them out of our home, now part of us is looking for a surrogate daddy in the reapers

Can't remember more, but that's off the top of my head so I'm sure there's more.

>>15857115

>1) Jack was abducted by batarians and sent to a cerberus research base

Now THERE'S a plot hole to address…

>2) Jack was given mind altering drugs

Jack was the end of the line in the process. All the other kids in the facility suffered far worse and it's overall implied that she was basically the princess as far as the staff was concerned. Most of her sufferring was more likely her sensing what was happening to the other kids

>3) Other than Jacob and Taylor, none of the squad members had any actual daddy issues

Mordin - inherited guilt (introverted)

Tali - inherited guilt (extroverted)

Grunt - rebellious streak

Samara/Morinth - mommy and responsibility issues

Thane - IS the daddy issue

Garrus - became a superhero because his daddy wouldn't let him be a spectre (okay, simplified)

Miranda - custom tailored daughteru. Don't even tell me she's not daddy issues

Liara - resolved in the first game

>>15857178

>Mordin

>Tali

Now your just spinning your wheels. God you're pathetic.

Joker also had daddy issues as well because he was a genetic dud :DDDDDDD

>the line of reasoning with me1 shills

>>15857231

>How is that a plot hole? You make no fucking sense.

Think about the lore for a second: why would the Batarians take a job for a human black ops division? Why would they even take a job for a human terrorist organization? Why would they commit manpower to kidnapping one girl when they could just do a slaving run?

>>15857360

>why would the Batarians take a job for a human black ops division?

It's because they were slavers not any government agency.

>Why would they even take a job for a human terrorist organization?

Again slavers who are only interested in money.

>Why would they commit manpower to kidnapping one girl when they could just do a slaving run?

But they did buy her (and several others) from a slaving run. The fact that she had inherent biotic abilities and was so susceptible to the experiments done on her was due to mere chance. You didn't play ME2 at all did you?

>>15797975

>>15797989

>>>/cuckchan/

>>15797975

First day on imageboards?

>>15857023

And yet not a single fucking original character from ME2 is a squadmate in ME3.

>>15796326

Reminder that ultra casual gamer Kizuna Ai got past that tutorial faster than Dean, and she can hardly read English.

>>15856998

You said it would be stupid for the guns to break thermodynamics. The core technology of the entire series is used for breaking thermodynamics.

It's not that fucking difficult to come up with an explanation as to why the weapon produces negligible amounts of heat with mass effect technology.

>barrel contains a vacuum, grains travel through gun without friction

>magnetic rail produces little to no heat when accelerating objects of arbitrarily small mass

>Mass effect fields used to warp the alloy to shred it into grains without friction

All of that could easily be accomplished in universe to create a heatless gun. It's all technology and applications of mass effect fields seen in other parts of the game. It's not a stretch to say that it would be possible to have a gun that fires indefinitely with almost no noticeable heat output within the universe.

If you're complaining that the guns are able to radiate heat, why? Physicists today are developing radiative cooling materials today with promising results, Who knows how far the technology will go in a hundred years, let alone what exposure to countless alien species more advanced than us would bring us.

I miss the old Liara. I liked her in ME1. She was very sweet and naive.

I didn't like her in ME2 and ME3 tho. They changed her into a stronk busy businesswoman. The kind I hate.

>>15859459

>>magnetic rail produces little to no heat when accelerating objects of arbitrarily small mass

You don't understand how a railgun works, do you? The current is absolutely massive. And they've never mentioned having superconductors inverse, either.

That said, ME tech is already kind of dated. Hell, they considered carbon nanotubes to be incredible stuff when we've already started getting results with fucking graphene.

>>15857231

>Blood fueds between father and son were quite common in krogan tradition. Also, this was developed in ME1.

Still daddy issues. And no one said anything about ME2 specific; it's the entire fucking franchise.

>>B-but a grandpa has anything to do with her father

Still daddy issues, because her father was in the military too. It's such a daddy issue it fucking continued along into the damn next generation.

>Also he still loved his father.

So?

Everything is driven by daddy issues in ME.

>>15859120

>Mass Effect is shit

How is that an edge opinion? It's true

>>15856998

Adding to your post tbh.

>The ai always act as stupid as possible

>Severe frame rate drops

>The loading screens were unbearable at times

>Everyone including shepherd, udina, and Anderson were completely convinced in the first mission that saren was behind Eden prime all because of one mental patients word on the matter. The only time the player sees saren is in a cutscene (which shepherd doesn't see).

>Technically speaking, the reaper threat should have ended in the citadel as there were no other mass relays known to reach dark space. Why else was sovereign so hell bent on activating the citadel?

>Concerning the activation of the citadel and the catatylst, why would sovereign need those things? And more importantly, why would a highly advanced ai only create one of these mass relays and not signal the reaper invasion in secrecy? That doesn't sound very intelligent to me.

>Why would you even bother waiting every 50,000 years just to go back to destroy/enslave organics? Why not just stay there and keep building upon your own army and keep enslaving more life forms that pop up?

>>15857023

>Mass Effect 2 has the best characters Bioware has ever made

name a mass effect 2 character that didn't have daddy issues or was the daddy issue

Tbh. I have my own theory of why killing saren deactivates sovereigns defences: the reason being is that they didn't want to animate all the other ships fighting sovereign and wanted to make it clear that the Normandy got the killshot. *Clap *Clap *Clap.

>>15862454

Mordin, Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Zaheed and Jack_

>>15862480

>Has a helmet on the entire time

>Someone knows shepherds name

An obvious plot hole is obvious.

>>15862727

>just so he can reproduce

Or, you know, save his entire species from bio weapon-induced extinction.

>If you're implying that he believed that he could use the technology without brainwashing himself or others

There is literally no reason why this isn't viable, unless you believe that curing the Genophage comes with mandatory brainwashing.

>Blowing up the base was the safest option.

That's entirely the point. Wrex sees an opportunity to save his people, to prevent them from dying out from the Genophage, which came about after the Krogan were conscripted on a species-wide scale. He has a MASSIVE motivation to keep the base intact, even if doing so would risk the possibility of that technology being recaptured by the Reapers. Ironically, my main problem with Vimire is that there's no option of siding with Wrex.

>>15862480

>Defending it's shitty plothole ridden ending

Are you serious nigger?

>If you can give him to commit suicide

Doesn't it write itself? Clearly, it couldn't have been from sovereign transporting himself to saren as it deactivates him either way. And you know something? I used to actually like mass effect one. But, during my second playthrough, I could see all the inconsistences and plotholes to the point I dropped the game and immediately sold it off.

The mission on vermire made no sense. Why even bother clearing out a place you were attempting to destroy with ground troops when you can just nuke the thing from orbit and have troops/tanks surrounding the complex in order to ensure no survivors? On IIos, there were of plenty occurrences where shepherd could have easily called in the Normandy to nuke saren out of orbit, instead you make due with a retarded chase with absolutely no help from your own teammates above.

>>15859107

yes

tbh it's more a realisation of everything i've seen, it's ridiculously funny/mental

sage for off topic

For some reason I never got to play #3. The first one was a filler-piece shite game with boring grind and dumb shit story, the second one was a decent game as far as I can remember but sadly it required you to play the 1st which was gay and fagot and #3 was never played as 2 bore me enough in the end. Ass Effect series is decline in 3 parts. I heard they made a nuVersion with aids and stronk wamen too. RIP gaming.

>>15855266

We must not of played the same fucking game you colossal fuck head, the encounters are rare in the 5 hours I played and the ones that are there were dead easy,

>>15857109

>Also see how spaceships slow down when coming out of FTL; they don't actually reverse thrust and retard their acceleration, they just tend to pop out and suddenly are going much, much slower.

The in-game codex in ME2 explicitly states that ships turn around halfway through a mass effect relay jump and start thrusting in the other direction to slow themselves down. There's even a joke about it with one of the vendors on the citadel.

>>15795317

>thermal clips, the ammo system introduced in ME2 that breaks the lore

Who cares about the lore being retconned when it allowed them to make a better game? I miss things about ME1 combat, but the guns aren't one of them. Having guns with different firing rates, types, and ammo management, is a good thing.

ME2's problems are in its story, not its mechanics. As I said lore should be pushed aside or changed if it gets in the way of making a fun game. Thermal clips were a good idea.

>>15863890

>>Zaheed isn't even a character . EAs half assed DLC bull shit he only says 3 lines in his room about shit on his wall for the full game.

This is just not true. He has several stories to tell, he has full dialog during missions, and he also comments on the aftermath of each plot mission. Kasumi is the same only she talks about squadmates and your romantic interest. Zaeed and Kasumi were both done quite well. Especially considering Zaeed is free. Kasumi costs money but she comes with a fun and unique mission and you even get a new gun out of it.

>>15867396

>The problem with ME2 is that it is just filler in terms of Mass Effect's over all story.

First of all: that story is not a filler, is not a problem, and third off ME1 LITERALLY SET UP THE STORY FOR ME2. Think about it. The reapers lost their only reaper left in the entire galaxy that was responsible for watching over organics, doing early operations against them, and triggering the reaper invasion. So what do they do? They have to resort to relying on reaper pawns to watch over organics, doing operations, and trigger the reaper invasion from afar. It's funny how you bitch about supposed problems with a games predecessor, yet simply ignore that the problem your bitching about originated with the game prior to it.

>>15867419

he has one story mission, you don't talk to him on the ship AT ALL he just says 3 lines about the 3 different things on his wall in his room.

real characters in the game have dialogue trees where they talk about events that happened/ will happen, their back story , their concerns about the upcoming missions and so on.

his random one liners in late game missions don't make up for that. he is a shell of a character

>>15798798

There isn't even a dog in mass effect…

>>15862454

>name a mass effect 2 character that didn't have daddy issues or was the daddy issue

>>15863890

>z-zaeed doesn't count

>mgtow mordin has no kids but he's still a daddy!

>robots incapable of emotion have daddy issues and no logical motive to stop anyone who kills geth

>a kid who was kidnapped from her real parents and abused = her father that abused her

Maybe if I had a nebulous definition of what a "father" is like you do, I'd be more inclined to agree. But I don't.

>fist: I don't know where the quarian is, but I know where you can find her

>Tali knew about how the protheans were hunted down by the reapers 50,000 years ago when all she recovered was an audio file from saren

>Clerk Bosker sayed that Nirali Bhatias wounds were inconsistent with wounds inflicted by any known attack yet stated: "the tests we're conducting may lead to better defences against get attacks"

>Putting humans on spikes and making them into husks makes perfect sense

>Wrex: "you're breaking the law for bribe money, you know what we do to dirty cops on my world?" When wrex's home world doesn't have cops.

>Wrex on noveria, doesn't even mention a single word about what they were fighting (shepherd and everyone involved didn't know what they were). Yet, at the last second he knew that what the rachni queen was.

>Blatant VI cortona rip off

>Saren was trying to deactivate the citadels defenses when the citadels arms were already closed

>Both the dialogue options "concentrate on soveriegn" and "let the council die" have the same effect

>Repititious dialogue

>The alliance gave an assignment for shepherd to kill L2 biotics and latter on in the game they denounced cerberus for doing the same thing

>>15866064

Yes, but the in-game videos completely refute that as does the way the Mass Relays work.

>>15868024

>he has one story mission, you don't talk to him on the ship AT ALL he just says 3 lines about the 3 different things on his wall in his room.

Are you fucking retarded or something? He just explained to you in-depth why that isn't true and you just repeat yourself verbatism. Get a clue autist.

>his random one liners in late game missions don't make up for that.

He's available from the very start of the game and in certain missions has access to dialogue from NPCs who normally wouldn't talk to you, like the Blue Suns leader from the Garrus recruitment mission. You have no idea what you're talking about retard.

>>15869306

Yeah keep ignoring all his points dumbshit. You're like a broken record.

>the asari counselor tevos could have mind melded with shepherd and easily found out if shepherd was lying about having visions on eden prime (hallucinations or not, she could have found out)

>the most menacing and powerful enemy in the game looked like a giant cuddlefish. bioware couldn't think of a better design… seriously?

>husks when coming off of spikes don't have holes in their chest

>the whole game you were trying to find the conduit. yet, all the conduit was, was a mass relay that transports you back to the citadel.

>the fact that saren didn't try to activate the catylst when he was still in their high graces can only prove that the reapers are irrational and retarded.

>the codex and journal was an absolute cluster fuck in ME1

>ME1 clearly gave birth to andromeduh. Gee, I wonder who could possibly be buying this shitty game?

>Makos are deployed via airdrop from the Normandy. How could the mako have possibly have started off in the feros garage?

>>15869658

To add unto your problem with the mako on feros… immediately when you got out of the Normandy you immediately encounter the geth attacking you. Meaning there were absolutely no dockworkers to actually transport your vehicle there. Also, it gets ripped apart considering the fact you had to actually fight your way there and fight enemies within the garage.

>Oceans 11 in SPAAAAAAACE

Trash.

Tali somehow knew that the mu relay was in the terminus systems when the mission they were just on (with benezia) only said that it had drifted because of a supernova. She never specified where it drifted specifically.

>>15867396

>Tali was kicked out of the migrant fleet because of her pilgrimage. Social status: outcast.

>Garrus investigated saren himself without c-sec approval. Social status: outcast.

>Wrex killed his own father because he didn't understand the genophage. Social status: psychopathic outcast

>Shepherds pre-service history? All three options: outcast.

>Joker said that he didn't make any friends during his training as a pilot and also has vrolik syndrome. Social status: outcast.

>Liara is a pureblood. Social status: outcast.

>>15867836

>>15869429

>ME1 LITERALLY SET UP THE STORY FOR ME2.

The Reapers original reason for the cycle had nothing to do with mechanic organisms vs organic organisms it was the mass effect itself which was basically slowing hastening the end of the galaxy and possibly the universe. The Reapers could not come up with a solution so the best they could do was let other life thrive for 50,000 years then come in and curbstomp them then mop up the damage done by their technology. The story ME1 setup was relegated into a side quest for ME2 remember the anomalous sun you had to rescue the quarians from? That was originally the actual focus but then some executive suit heard key phrases or concepts he completely latched on to and the writer had to basically change everything.

>>15869429

What fucking points? His only argument is claiming that ME1 set up the story for ME2, which is complete bullshit. Is it PLAUSIBLE that the Reapers could have a leave-behind force of some sort? Sure. But to try and claim that's totally what ME1 was setting up, when it ended with Shepard literally laying out the plot of the next game, is stretching to an utterly extreme degree.

>that story is not a filler

You mean that story that was an excuse to focus on characters because people just wanted to obsess about Tali stepping on their dicks. Don't believe me, ask the fucking developmental director: "the funny thing is that people will say 'other than gathering your crew and building your team and getting ready for this mission, there's not much story there.' But that is the story." And let's not forget that ME2 did so little to advance the plot of the series that ME3 had to entirely be set up by a DLC that actually remembered that the Reapers were the threat.

>>15870957

There's nothing wrong with a character focused story though.

>>15870946

>Also, just because you make stuff up doesn't mean you can save the entire ME trilogy from going in the trash can.

Your reading comprehension is shit. I am not talking about what we got with the game I'm talking about behind the scenes development between MA1 and MA2. The writer for MA1, and still a part of MA2 ,explained when asked a couple of times why MA2 ended up the way it did and what exactly changed and the biggest change was the importance of the mass effect and what it was doing to the universe. In other words that entire side quest about what the quarians were researching in MA2 is just a remnant, a holdover, from everything being overhauled in the middle of development that gets dropped entirely for MA3.

He also explained his plans for the machines vs organics thing and how one of his bosses latched on to this idea that the geth weren't truly alien and machinelike and he was forced to drop his original idea. It's an interesting read so I'll have to dig up old interviews and hopefully some capped posts he's actually made to see if I can find the relevant information.

>>15870963

>implying

>>15870963

>Create a substantial universe and tons of lore for it.

>You can explore almost every idea imaginable in this vast setting.

>Make the story a TV tier character circlejerk for autistic sycophants.

Literally retarded and degenerate.

>>15874123

>>Create a substantial universe and tons of lore for it.

You literally just described ME2. Also, you may want to look up the definition of "lore". All it means is learning about something.

>>You can explore almost every idea imaginable in this vast setting.

You described ME2 again.

>>Make the story a TV tier character circlejerk for autistic sycophants

Fun fact: me1 promised us movie like cutscenes and realistic facial expressions. What did we get? We got loony toons.

Know why ME1 is shit? Because ever since the very beginning of the game you know who is behind Eden prime (the reapers and saren). Absolutely no real investigating ever happened about exactly who was really behind the events here, the game just hands it to us on a silver platter. In ME2 however, you don't know who was really behind freedoms progress or who was behind the abduction of entire planets (some speculation happened, but that doesn't count). You actually have to figure out who is behind it and why they're doing it, in other words there was an actual mystery involved. Everyone's story that they tell were also far more interesting. The newer codex was more interesting (like the Omega 4 relay, M920 cain, the collectors, etc) the side missions were improved, and the ending is actually open ended unlike mass effect 1 with only 2 options. That's not even mentioning the fact that ME2 actually expanded our knowledge about all the races and species within the me universe. We actually got to see the krogan and asari home worlds (and exactly how they act and the culture they have). On ME1, we didn't get any home world (that was specifically for a certain race), instead we got corporate hub worlds and a boring ass embassy. Every side character you could talk to had their own interesting side story and interesting dialogue (instead of your occasional generic soldier and enemy like in ME1). We got to learn about new races and their histories, how they act, their culture, etc. We got to learn more about the geth, how they operate, and that not all of the geth were willing to be subjected to reaper rule. That's not even mentioning how unconventional and great the story is. Your whole ideal was to keep building your team to help deal with the collectors and of dealing with personal issues on your crew with other members of your crew and shepherd himself (something that never really happened in ME1, the closest was a single cutscene with wrex on vermire) and if you don't deal with their issues they could possibly die on the final mission as they didn't feel up to it. Having their personal issues not dealt with on a literal suicide mission has it's effect on morale especially since you promised them to actually help them out. The game simply felt more unique compared to other games. The fact that ME2 is dragged into the business of scapegoating for ME3 can only prove of just how low people have come. For example: 1) ME3 didn't have to end the entire trilogy there (with shepherd and the reapers) 2) ME3 could have been given more time by EA to actually complete the game. You're just too focused on linearity and not interested in enjoying the actual experience of the game. The fact is, ME2 actually felt more like star trek than the previous title claimed it did.

>>15871684

>in me1 they gave us the idea that the geth were religious and worshipped the reapers

>in me2, he planned for the geth to not be alien and machinelike

It's no wonder they didn't allow the writer of me1 to write me2 with pseudo-intellectual bullshit like that.

>>15867396

>Investigate mass disappearances on human colonies

>Recruit competent people to investigate the disappearances and help to combat enemies on missions

>Recognize the threat

>Formulate a plan and take the threat down

>Somehow this "paperthin" plot

If anything, ME3 was rekt by retards you for the devs to actually listen to your retarded criticisms of ME2.

>In me1: you go around doing random shit (with no connection to the ending) and get transported right back to the starting line. You talk to a retarded lunatic and kill him

>In me3: you go around doing random shit (with no connection to the ending) and get transported back to the starting line. You talk to a retarded lunatic and kill him

>>15881068

Most of the plot for ME2 makes sense in a vacuum. But since there's this little inconvenient thing known as ME1, it makes ME2's plot feel dumb. Imagine if you were watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes and then suddenly galaxies were being thrown around.

Anyone got a link to that huge ass blog that actually went into depth with why Mass effect had so many things wrong with it? It actually knocked the rose-tinted glasses that I had for ME 2 off my face and showed me the huge plot holes.

>>15795661

>space mudslime

0/10

>>15881600

If that is so, give us some major plot holes then…

>>15881600

It's been mentioned in this thread but here's the link

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=27792

>>15881790

While it's been a while I can give a huge one

>Cerberus makes no fucking sense

Yes, a species-centric faction makes perfect sense in a living breathing galaxy, but think of what Cerberus does.

>shows up out of fucking nowhere

>has enough power to not only bring back the Normandy, which was already a one of a kind ship, but also Commander Shepard, despite humanity still being a tiny power in the galaxy at large, as humanity is still in it's infancy

>The Illusive Man has not only multiple space stations dedicated to research, but an entire planet that is somehow undetected by the mainstay races, including their specters who aren't held down by the laws as most other groups are

>speaking of space ships

>making the Noramandy means having a shitload of specially built, processed resources and the logistics to move them from point A to B, because chances are you don't have hundreds of tons of unobtainium just buried in your planet and you'll either have to process it in house or import which leads to

>you need highly skilled workers willing to forsake their cushy, well paying job, to being forced to work for a well known racist we're implying it's bad, because this is bioware terrorist group, which means providing for them so you are actually on a reasonable schedule

>essentially you're going to need to build a large colony complete with amenities on a planet while funneling workers, resources, supplies, not just for building the Normandy, but also for running everything dedicated to using that

>This is before you realize Cerberus somehow got their hands on the plans of this super powerful ship, and didn't just build it again, didn't just make it slightly larger and maybe reverse engineered the tech, but apparently doubled it's size and created their own with their own specific specifications

Actually, fuck it, here is the blog since I managed to find it. In the example he gives he uses a small island which hasn't been detected by the powers that be and you're building a middle of the line ship while trying to stay out of everyone's line of sight because you're on the US' shitlist. By the way, click the footnotes because it's going to further explain just how ridiculous the entire notion of Cerberus actually is.

https://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=30943

It's a long read, but there it is.

and >>15881861 gave the first entry, in case you aren't a (1) and done

>>15881512

>Most of the plot for ME2 makes sense in a vacuum

Is ME2 not already practically in a vacuum? It is a filler story but a really good one. ME2 has you go after the collectors that aren't even the main foes of the trilogy (the reapers are).

>But since there's this little inconvenient thing known as ME1, it makes ME2's

Yeah yeah. We know. Everything has to go in a completely linear line with absolutely no deviation from the main plot point of the trilogy. If you truly feel this way then why do you ME1 fans always go on about all those irrelevant side missions and other conversations that have nothing to do with the reapers? Why not just gut all the side missions, pointless conversations, and meaningless codexes? This is plain as all can see just a double standard you are using to bludgeon a large part of the fan base.

>>15881883

None of these are even plotholes though. This is a pathetic attempt to discredit this game by ME1 fans who wanted a cookie cutter franchise.

It's sad how the series got fucked so hard since the reapers were a genuinely interesting threat. Almost borg-like except they willing gave their technology to solar systems with intelligent life so that they could add the innovations they made with it to their own.

>>15881907

>>15881886

>This is a pathetic attempt to discredit this game by ME1 fans who wanted a cookie cutter franchise.

>Yeah yeah. We know. Everything has to go in a completely linear line with absolutely no deviation from the main plot point of the trilogy.

Nice reductive reasoning faggot. Give one example of anyone ITT arguing that absolutely everything and everyone in the series should focus solely on stopping the reapers or that the games should play exactly the same. You can't.

>>15881943

That would have been a more interesting motivation than the biotic soup to preserve them after killing them all.

>>15881883

Ok, so a few problems…

>The illusive man and cerberus needs to be in control of entire planets just to operate their operations

The funny thing is, EDI pretty much explains how the organization gets a lot of it's funding. Right here. https://youtube.com/watch?v=2rGF5SDE3RE

>B-but EDI doesn't specify where all the money comes from when the illusive man made sure to indulge the information to it

How did cerberus have the funding to create several bases on planets in ME1 then??? Did they just magically come out of thin air with no funding?

>Cerberus comes off as cartoonishly evil in me1 and the alliance (an enemy organization) paints them as such

I mean god forbid you creating actual depth to entire organizations that didn't just paint them as one dimensional monsters the entire time.

>The Normandy would need thousands of people to actually build the ship

If this was the modern era, maybe. But this is hundreds of years in the future. ME2 (in one side mission) had you shut down a facility that was continually producing mechs all on its own for years, in other words it was a fully autonomous factory. Why couldn't the parts for Normandy not be produced in this manner?

>Humanity was an up in comer with the council therefore it had absolutely no power and couldn't have access to already known technology and couldn't possibly trade with other species for it

You know what's funny about this? The alliance had a very large role in designing the original Normandy ship and that's a fact.

Also:

>None of these explainable events are even plotholes

>>15882006

>The funny thing is, EDI pretty much explains how the organization gets a lot of it's funding

Yes, but shell companies was already called out as absolutely stupid. Even if you justify their magical credit trees you're still missing the bigger picture

>How did cerberus have the funding to create several bases on planets in ME1 then??? Did they just magically come out of thin air with no funding?

There's a huge difference between, "We're a terrorist group working for the agenda of a small fry race" and "We are actually fighting on equal if not superior footing with the other races as essentially one small group". You see this right? These dickheads show up out of nowhere as a fraction of a fraction of a group, little better than mercenary groups except in scope of ideals, and suddenly they have fleets of warships and the ability to go beyond reverse engineering and actually improve a secret, experimental stealth ship

>If this was the modern era, maybe. But this is hundreds of years in the future. ME2 (in one side mission) had you shut down a facility that was continually producing mechs all on its own for years, in other words it was a fully autonomous factory. Why couldn't the parts for Normandy not be produced in this manner?

Because the Normandy was a secret, one of a kind, experimental ship. The materials required to build it is going to be insane (experimenting with a new drive core is going to take a shitload of E-Zero), and that's before you get into building fleets of warships for your own forces to get around. You're going to need to funnel the engineers, scientists, food, drink, shelter, materials, tools for processing said materials, and manage to do all of this before someone realizes their best and brightest workers and their families are nowhere to be found. By the way, good luck finding food, water, and shelter locally beforehand. Anything remotely close to habitable is going to be monitored for colonization, and it's going to be pretty fucking noticeable when you see hundreds of millions of tons of materials being shipped in from God knows where. Even if you try to grow and get most of this stuff locally, you're still dealing with the same problems of being secretive and maintaining a work force loyal enough to keep working for you. Mines are noticeable and dont always contain all that you're looking for (like an entire fleet's worth of space metal) and farms have their own list of problems, least of all the temperature needed to grow foods that are safe for human consumption.

That's before we even talk about

>alliance had a very large role in designing the original Normandy ship and that's a fact.

Yes, they co-created the ship. But that is the alliance with it's own group of scientists not, "random pro-human terrorist group that would be Capture or Kill on Sight for messing up humanity's chance to be on an even playing field". Again, it's not like aliens would willingly work for these guys, and it's going to be pretty noticeable when the scientists and engineers you'd constantly monitor who worked on this top secret project either disappear or accidentally leak these plans to some prosthetic eyeball sporting asshole deep in space.

>>15882269

I also forget to mention during the "Muh autonomous factories" that increased tech means more infrastructure, not less. The modern day example required thousands of people in terms of building and crew with tens of thousands providing for them in some way or another. The Normandy alone could have probably easily pushed that one hundred times, but a whole fleet? And where are you going to find all the skilled pilots, captains, soldiers, required to crew this thing efficiently? And that's before we even talk about their rampant suicide missions where they throw thousands of their "human's first" troops out the proverbial car window.

Anon's Attempt at Making Cerberus Not Retarded

ME1: Cerberus is introduced early as a semi-political entity, although not one that officially exists in any real tangible capacity. Essentially, they'd be the Mass Effect equivalent of the 'alt-right'. A person who expressed sympathies for Cerberus might get some odd looks or might be considered prejudiced, but beyond that it wouldn't be thought much of. Later on, Shepard and Co. could run into some illicit mercenary bases or something operating under the flag of Cerberus, revealing that there is an actual organized force behind Cerberus as a whole, but one that's rather small and incapable of directly projecting power. At the end of ME1, the decision to save the Council or not determines the path Cerberus follows.

Save the Council: As normal, the Alliance Fleet takes heavy casualties to save the Council before defeating Sovereign. The massive loss in human life sparks a surge in Cerberus support among the human population. The widespread view on the events of ME1 ending is as Ashley brought up in her personal conversations: "As noble as the council members seem now, if their backs are against the wall, they'll abandon us." "Look, if you're fighting a bear, and the only way to survive is to sic your dog on it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog, it isn't human." You'd take the caution that Ashley had in the early/mid sections of the game and make it relevant to the outcome of Shepard's own choice at the end. Paragon Shepard's and players would have to deal with the fact that his attempt to preserve the political stability of the Citadel directly means sacrificing members of their own species. I also love the idea of Cerberus agents making Happy Merchant Shepard images: "Hehe that's right fellow humans, make sure to die for the cou-I mean save the galaxy"

Abandon the Council: In this case, Cerberus becomes a more explicitly human-supremacist organization, as well as gaining popularity among the more jingoistic elements of humanity. In short, they see the Battle for the Citadel as proof that humanity stands above the rest of the galaxy. After all, if the Asari, Turians and Salarians couldn't stand up to Sovereign but humanity could, isn't that evidence enough? For Renegade Shepard players, they'd likely approve of the rise of this version of Cerberus, assuming that was their intention in abandoning the Council. As someone who chose "Focus on Sovereign" because I expected a middle ground between the two choices, this ending would clash with me somewhat, but I don't want to try and make up a whole new ending to the situation

ME2: I have to cheat with this section because I find the plot to ME2 entirely pointless so I'm going off my own vague idea for a sequel where Shepard and Co. are sent by the Alliance/Council on covert operations to the far corners of the galaxy, including unopened Relays Cerberus now stands as practically mainstream in humanity, with many civilians wearing pins or other such shows of support. In the military, tension builds between the ranks as the disagreements as to humanity's role in the galaxy makes soldiers question orders and superiors suspect their subordinates. On the operational side of Cerberus, the rise in support has given them the ability to undertake more daring operations.

ME3: The stress between humanity finally reaches the fracture point. Mass Defections carlos.jpg occur throughout the Alliance as various military units and colonies renounce the official government in favor of Cerberus. Of course, the Reapers make their appearance about this time and both sides of the conflict try to subdue the other while figuring out how to beat the invasion. Unfortunately for player choice, it's probably necessary to lock the player to the Alliance, so Cerberus would have to be shown to be wrong in their plan for overcoming the Reapers. In any case, the game could still accommodate a Cerberus-sympathetic Shepard, one that supports them but understands that in this case they're barking up the wrong tree.

>>15881068

>Investigate mass disappearances on human colonies

Nobody cares. The Alliance doesn't care, they wrote those people off. Your crew doesn't care, none of them have any stake in the matter. The galaxy at large doesn't seem to care. Shepard? He's been dead for two years while all of this was happening. You know who cares? The Illusive Man. Because this entire plot is literally just TIM ordering you around to do things and Shepard obeys like a good little dog while the author masturbates to how cool TIM is.

>Recruit competent people to investigate the disappearances and help to combat enemies on missions

Nearly every one is assigned to you by TIM. The majority of them have no purpose other than to shoot stuff and could be replaced by a handful of grunts.

>Recognize the threat

I'm sure by that you mean "TIM tells you at the start that he already knows the Collectors are linked to the Reapers and that they were behind the abductions". Or were you trying to say "TIM sends you into a trap he knows is a trap but doesn't tell you because reasons"? Oh, maybe it was "All evidence shows the Collectors consist entirely of a single ship that the Normandy can defeat and a lone space station."

>Formulate a plan and take the threat down

The 'plan' was to jump through an unknown relay and hope that whatever was on the other side was something solvable by a single ship and a couple fireteams.

>>15882006

>The funny thing is, EDI pretty much explains how the organization gets a lot of it's funding. Right here.

She says Cerberus is less than a couple hundred people with some shell companies for funding. This then becomes a galactic superpower in between games.

>If this was the modern era, maybe. But this is hundreds of years in the future. Why couldn't the parts for Normandy not be produced in this manner?

In that case the Alliance would have hundreds of Normandys, because the Alliance is also in this future.

>>15883541

As for time, atomic half-lives are universal, and could be used as a baseline to translate time measurements between different languages. It would be easy to measure 50k years using atomic methods as well, probably even doable with modern tech.

>>15883541

> How would the reapers even calculate such a thing when they are literally in dark space?

Not all of them. Sovereign, the "dead" reaper in a ME2 mission or the Leviathan of Dis were examples of reapers who stayed in the galaxy to watch life evolve.

>>15883541

>These mechanics were hands down the worst mechanics that people could possibly want to have in future installments of a game.

If you ever wonder why certain mechanics are in a game it's because Mass Effect is Star Control 2.

>>15883587

>Atomic half life is universal

This is absolutely not the case. The atomic clock is an incredibly accurate tool (when in proper working condition) but is still determined by our own planets revolution around the sun.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life

Look at the UTC and TAI:

https://www.timeanddate.com/time/international-atomic-time.html

They are almost the same time as each other, the UTC is just slightly less accurate.

>>15883541

I have to say, you've got some of the weirdest complaints I've seen out of a ME thread.

>How would the reapers even calculate such a thing when they are literally in dark space? time in the universe is completely arbitrary depending on the planet

The arrival period for Reapers is roughly 50,000 human years. Considering that the primary Council races have homeworlds with years of comparable length, it's entirely possible that a "standard galactic year" is roughly the same as a human year. This is like complaining about the aliens speaking English. And finally, you're complaining about the most technologically advanced species in all of history being able to tell time?

>How are they not the reapers?

Of all your points this is the strangest. A Reaper is an almost incomprehensibly ancient God-like machine. An indoctrinated person is just that. It's like asking how a cultist isn't Cthulhu.

>if someone gets infected by the flood

The "Flood" refers to practically the whole life cycle, from the Infection form to the various Combat forms. Or as most civilized people called them, Popcorn balls and zombies.

>heat management vs. ammo, the mako and exploring was bad

I guess you were thrilled when, instead of taking those things and improving them in a fun and interesting way, they just ditched them for more standard cover shooting.

>how did the reapers manage to keep themselves hidden for thousands of years and wipe all traces of themselves ever being anywhere within the milkyway?

I'm just going to copy paste this portion, because SY sums it up better than I can: "They (the Reapers) have a network of relays that control the flow of traffic through the galaxy. At the crossroads they have the Citadel, a spacious, self-sustaining palace of comfort and free energy. Naturally, this place would make a fantastic trade center or seat of government for whatever sapients find it. Whoever controls the Citadel will have an advantage over the other species that might show up, which gives it strategic value, which means political power will gravitate there.

So the Reaper alarm clock goes off every 50k years. They jump directly into the Citadel, wiping out the government and silencing all communications before the dumb meatbags even know there’s a problem. By the time Joe Sapient gets his pants on and arms himself, his government has stopped existing.

Once they control the seat of power, the Reapers can indoctrinate whoever they please and read everyone’s computer files, thus telling them the location of every single known settlement in the galaxy. From this point, it’s just a matter of mopping up. Once the last of the sapients are dead or indoctrinated, the Reapers obliterate the ruins, clean up the Citadel for the next batch of suckers, turn off the lights, and then retreat to dark space and set the genocide alarm for 50k years. "

>a VI somehow had information in it's database of a language that came from 50,000 years in the future

Vigil: "I have been monitoring your communications since you arrived at this facility. I have translated my output into a format you will comprehend."

>>15883679

>Or as most civilized people called them, Popcorn balls

I thought it was just my family that did that.

>>15862034

>Why would you even bother waiting every 50,000 years just to go back to destroy/enslave organics? Why not just stay there and keep building upon your own army and keep enslaving more life forms that pop up?

The original script was like TTGL but instead of lord Genome we got the reapers, and the anti-spirals a kind of dark matter dudes or something.

Basically the mass effect could destroy the galaxy/universe if used improperly, so they had to wipe the sapient species before the point of no return.

>>15883280

>The widespread view on the events of ME1 ending is as Ashley brought up in her personal conversations: "As noble as the council members seem now, if their backs are against the wall, they'll abandon us." "Look, if you're fighting a bear, and the only way to survive is to sic your dog on it and run, you'll do it. As much as you love your dog, it isn't human."

>throwing away your dog's life to save yourself

Was Ashley a durkadurka goatfuck arab or something? Or just the dialogue writer?

>>15883742

>Basically the mass effect could destroy the galaxy/universe if used improperly, so they had to wipe the sapient species before the point of no return.

It's like that TNG episode about the warp technology.

>>15883772

You'd sacrifice yourself for your dog?

>>15883541

>unlimited ammo makes the game unchallenging

You mean like Halo? Halo throws ammo at the player. I've played 1, 2, 3, ODST, and Reach, and in precisely none of them was there any sort of ammo scarcity. Or any particular difficulty for that matter; the hardest part about the Halo games is that the console-exclusive ones force you to use bad controls.

>>15883799

>t. never played a difficulty past Easy

>>15883858

Did all the games I mentioned on Legendary. Halo is not a difficult series. It's piss fucking easy. The only thing higher difficulties do is consume more time because you spend more time hiding behind shit.

>>15858772

>>15858778

good posts

>>15884283

>>A Reaper is an almost incomprehensibly ancient God-like machine. An indoctrinated person is just that

>What's incomprehensible is your failure to explain how they are not the same (or very very similar)…

<halonigger can't read

<…

What he wrote means "An indoctrinated person is just that: an indoctrinated person." In addition to not knowing how to read plain English, you're asking why a slave master and a slave are called different things, which is so fucking stupid it doesn't need explaining. I don't know what you think the word indoctrinated means, but it doesn't refer to possession or total bodily control - the indoctrinated subject is a devoted servant of the reapers, but he is not actually a reaper. Christ.

>But somehow to you, indoctrinated enemies (who are completely controlled by the reapers) are not in any way the reapers

Oh, I see. You think the husks are indoctrinated. They're not. Reaper indoctrination specifically refers to the subtle brainwashing reapers can inflict on organic life forms through subliminal messaging, ultrasonic sounds, pheromones, etc. Nowhere is it implied that husks were indoctrinated, and nowhere is it implied that everyone who is indoctrinated becomes a husk.

>You really expect me to believe that the reapers are infallible and can't make a single mistake (no matter how small or insignificant) it may be?!

50,000 years is a long fucking time, dude. Given the setting, it's reasonable to believe anything the Reapers or their servants missed wouldn't survive the elements.

>>Somehow translated an entire language when it was no more than a VI and did this in mere minutes just from observing them make noises with their vocal chords

>Wow, you really make me laugh simply for the fact that you could possibly believe this bullshit.

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>>15884283

>What is the possibility of dozens of species all having almost the same exact solar year as everyone else when considering the fact that their planets are different in distance from different suns in different solar systems? Pretty low I can tell you.

Given habitable ranges, they should be fairly similar. THAT SAID, the standard galactic ME year/day etc. are all an average made out of the salarian, turian and asari homeworlds and are

<A galactic standard day comprises 20 hours

<Each hour comprises 100 minutes

<Each minute comprises 100 seconds

<Each second is half as long as a human second

As an aside, could you explain your problem with the time better? Not familiar with Halo and didn't quite understand what you tried to say earlier. Thanks.

>I'm talking specifically about how absolutely nothing survived at all that we could examine ourselves (like buried reaper technology from fighting, underground bunkers, damage on a planets (or moons) surfice from a reapers blast, or from them actually digging out the huge mess that they made).

The power of orbital bombardment and erosion from 50 thousand years? Besides, all that manpower is now theirs for free use. They have billions upon billions of drones who can all go through everything with a fine tooth comb to remove everything they don't want around.

Besides, there's plenty of shit still around anyhow. Like the hanar homeworld is littered with Prothean ruins or Eden Prime and Mars. Most of the older stuff from previous cycles is just attributed to the Protheans before the Reapers became commonly acknowledged, though.

>>15884356

>gets called out and gunned down by a halotard

>be vigil

>be a vi capable of time travel

>p-plot twist

the whole mass effect trilogy is shit and you should feel bad for liking it retard.

>>15884283

>What is the possibility of dozens of species all having almost the same exact solar year

The Asari, Turian and Salarian homeworlds have years of 0.9, 1.2 and 1.2 'Earth-years' respectively. This makes sense, as all these species have somewhat comparable biology. Is that you're next complaint, that too many of the Mass Effect species can breathe an Oxygen-Nitrogen mix?

>indoctrinated enemies (who are completely controlled by the reapers) are not in any way the reapers

>>15884356 already fielded most of this point. I'll just add that even if one of us managed to convince the other of our perspective…it would change nothing. We're just arguing over where Loki's neck ends.

>Why even bother?

Hey, that's your opinion. If you'd like to tear out everything and make Mass Effect: Combat Evolved, go ahead. Can't be worse than ME2/3.

>I'm talking specifically about how absolutely nothing survived at all

You mean besides the Prothean Beacon? Or the ruins at Therum? Or the Thorian? Or the Ilos base? Or the mass driver damage on Klendagon, which was used to find, guess what, a destroyed Reaper? That plotline was incredibly stupid, but for other reasons Or the fact that Reapers intentionally leave things behind to influence the march of organic technology?

>galaxy that you could never completely comb through

They don't need to comb through the whole galaxy, for the reasons highlighted in the excerpt I posted that you bitched about me being "lazy". And has been made explicitly clear by multiple people, the Reapers didn't get everything, which is THE ENTIRE FUCKING PLOT of Mass Effect.

>Wow, you really make me laugh simply for the fact that you could possibly believe this bullshit.

Okay.

>VI are only capable of answering questions from already stored information. The citadel VI is an easy proof of that.

Has it occurred to you that the Citadel equivalent to Clippy is significantly less advanced that the overseer of a last-ditch effort to preserve the Prothean society?

>>15870946

Stupidity is the idea that organic vs. machine genocidal warfare is completely unavoidable and inevitable in a setting where various alien species can get along just fine. If humans can coexist peacefully with other non-human creatures with literally alien cultures and ways of thinking, they can get along with computer people.

>>15885398

There is also this slight problem where Human brains are quantum computers and technically every single Human is a carbon machine, there is no reason for a machine race to not get along with humans if humans can get along with other aliens.

I can't believe people shit on mass effect 3 when 2 forces you side with an obviously evil terrorist organization against your will

>>15885403

The biggest issue I've always had with the organic vs. machine genocide cliche is the idea that it's always inevitable. There are certainly reasons for such conflict to occur, but way too often it boils down to "they fight to destroy each other because they've just got to."

>>15884356

>The codex clearly states that people are killed first and then put on spikes and turned into husks

So the answer is NO.

Tens of thousands of years ago, an immensely powerful civilization vanished from the galaxy with no explanation, leaving no traces except for ruins of their cities and huge caches of their technology.

Over time, younger races evolved, and as they discovered these caches of technology left behind by the ancients, they began to build a galactic civilization of their own. Some considered the ancients to have been just another race in the galaxy, while others worshipped them as their creators and progenitors. Now, Earth has just been admitted membership into the galactic alliance, but has to prove itself worthy before it can earn the respect of the older races.

You are an elite agent of this new galactic civilization: a human who serves and protects the galaxy, and commands the galaxy's most advanced starship. Over the course of your duties, you discover a new threat to galactic peace: the apocalypse that once wiped out the ancients is set to return.

As you pursue a way to stop the cataclysm, you learn the secrets of the ancient past. You learn how the ancients themselves were NOT the creators of the technology that everyone uses. You learn how they also discovered the technology just as the younger races did. You learn how they discovered afterwards that their entire evolution had been manipulated. And finally, you learn how this unknown enemy from beyond known space craves sentient life, cultivating sentience in the galaxy like a giant farm, only to sweep in every few hundred thousand years to harvest everything and wipe the slate clean for the next harvest. You learn how this cycle has continued unbroken for many millions, perhaps billions of years.

The ancients, however, were close to finding a solution to ending the cycle, but were too late and found themselves trapped in their own sanctuary that they had created to hide themselves from the cataclysm. Now it is up to you to finish the puzzle that the ancients left behind and finish their work, and end the cycle.

Sound familiar?

This isn't Mass Effect. This is the story of Star Control 3, released in 1996.

Anyone else think that this is grounds for plagiarism?

>>15885420

Yeah the real cause of a conflict is this: the AI basically going through rapid childhood, puberty, adulthood simultaneously with fear and anger stages when feeling genuinely threatened; all within the time span of about 45 seconds after the incident that spooks it. The only language it communicates in and understands is machine language and you only have about 0.5 seconds to type diplomat.exe before it shuts you down entirely, 2.5 second grace period if you shut it down first to force a hardware boot up.

Everyone fails to make good decisions from that point forward escalating to violence.

>>15885665

Remember how in Dragon Age Origins there's an underground dwarven troop who live to continually fight on the edge of a perpetual horde, holding the line, resigned to die in battle?

Forgot the name but it's a rip off of Song of Ice and Fire and the wall guys, but with trenches and exclusively dwarves instead

>>15885934

Well the concept of that isn't entirely original for Song of Ice and Fire either, it's basically voluntary penal legion with funeral rights.

>>15885731

No one ever depicts it that fast. That kind of speed would be reasonable for a complete and utter breakdown that might lead to some bitter regrets and bad blood depending on how that goes down. Most just depict all humanity acting like, well, Jews toward the AIs.

>>15885403

Or that with the VIrtual Aliens being able to hop between machine and organic body, allowing organics to get inside computers, there is literally no difference between organic and synthetic beings anymore.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Virtual_Alien

>>15883784

>You'd sacrifice yourself for your dog?

>implying its a sacrifice when theres a good chance you can win

Not to mention that bear will just out run me when its killed my dog, its better to double team it

And if you're not a complete fagot, you would be carrying a knife out in the woods, providing you're out of ammunition or guns

People seem to think that bears are unstoppable killing machines, and thats partly true, but people forget that there have been men who have murdered the shit out of bears with their bare hands

Its just a matter of determining which side you stand on

>>15885397

>The Asari, Turian and Salarian homeworlds have years of 0.9, 1.2 and 1.2 'Earth-years' respectively.

How did Tali even learn that it was every 50,000 when the reapers came back and destroyed all sentient life anyway? How did she even translate any of it when she said that almost the entire geth core was wiped clean? So, Tali just came up with exactly the right piece information to move the plot along (a literal plot device), that sounds an awfully lot like a plot convenience. Why would the reapers upload that kind of crucial information anyway considering that they were about to replace the keepers with the geth anyway?

>Has it occurred to you that the Citadel equivalent to Clippy is significantly less advanced

Pulling from the wiki:

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Virtual_Intelligence

> (VI) is a sophisticated program designed to make modern computer systems easier to use.

>They are not to be confused with artificial intelligences like the geth,

>as VIs are only utilised to assist the user and process data

>Though they appear to be intelligent, they aren't actually self-aware

The fact that he said that he processed shepherds communications at all can only prove that vigil is actually self aware. He also said he could "sense indoctrination from saren" proving the same thing once again. All that retard Drew Karpyshyn needed to do was just say that the VI on llos was actually an ai and there wouldn't have been any problems. It's a retcon, deal with it faggot.

>>15886277

Terminator doesn't depict the exact moment but it's pretty much the moment Skynet is turned on that it sets off a Nuclear War because of it's expanding intelligence along a multiplicative curve.

With self learning being proven to be a thing with the latest new Go bot essentially achieving the pinnacle of Go gameplay by thinking to itself combined with processing capacities which far outpace a human in speed and scale, that's exactly how fast it would go.

>>15887680

>So, Tali just came up with exactly the right piece information to move the plot along (a literal plot device), that sounds an awfully lot like a plot convenience.

You're right. Reminds me of every time I watch an episode of Star Trek and Spock provides a concise, dramatic explanation of something instead of stumbling over his words, forgetting details, and eventually consulting the tri-corder after five minutes. Completely unrealistic drivel.

Wait a minute. Do stories have the same standards as real life? Hmm.

>>as VIs are only utilised to assist the user and process data

>therefore, a VI processing data proves it is self-aware

Vigil did the equivalent of what an installation wizard does when it pings a central server to see what files it should download depending on the user's OS.

>how did vigil sense saren was indoctrinated?

Sufficiently advanced technology.

>>15887680

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Vigil

>Vigil is a Prothean Virtual Intelligence found on Ilos; an advanced non-organic analysis system with personality imprints of Ksad Ishan, the Prothean Chief Overseer of the Ilos facility.

Vigil is clearly far more sophisticated than every other VI found in the game and, while not self aware, can analyze and process it's surrounding environment to a degree that other VI's cannot. It's like complaining about vid related because every alien in the cut scene speaks perfect English despite there being no humans around.

>>15887902

What makes you think Vigil is not self aware? He quite clearly justifies his own actions, and expresses conclusions and thoughts he reached on his own. The Codex says that VIs aren't capable of learning. I can see a lot of wild assumptions in thread by you to justify this easily identified retcon.

>>15887998

>He quite clearly justifies his own actions

1) He's speaking using the personality imprint of one of the lead researchers. His choice of "I" instead of "this platform" was probably stylistic to make the scene feel more dramatic. There is nothing about "Vigil" that cannot reasonably be attributed to the personality imprint.

2) Without getting into a discussion about alien battery technology, it's reasonable to assume he was faced with the choice of allowing all the Protheans to die or saving some of them. A machine would not find it necessary to "justify" this course of action because the alternative is unacceptable - what actually happens is Shepard's team berates him (for some reason) and he explains the situation.

>reached on his own

He is the sum of decades of research performed by Protheans after the genocide of their species. When Vigil says "I performed analysis of the data" or something similar, it's just shorthand for "the research team performed analysis across decades" or something appropriate.

>heh, give it up with your wild assumptions, kiddo, and just admit these lines of dialogue were retconned, thereby ruining the entire series

Honest question, how old are you? You're typing like the kind of teenager who watches CinemaSins videos and thinks he's smart. I won't be wasting any more time explaining things to you because you clearly don't enjoy reading or watching fiction, which begs the question as to why you're on this board in the first place.

>>15888106

>All these mental gymnastics to justify a plothole in a plagarized video game

>Brings out the "everyone who criticizes my favorite video game is a kid" character assassination

LOL. Point at this retard and laugh.

>>15856998

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>>15887998

>Shepherd needed clearance to leave a port on noveria

>Shepherd needed to get special permission just to investigate the facilities on noveria

>You needed to smuggle something just to get it past the Port of noveria

>A lot of restricted areas that the authorities won't let you into

>The currency system is often broken

>Annoying victory celebration music

>All running does is pan the camera in to make it look like you're going faster

>The only time you can mount a barrier is at the very last mission in the game

>Dialogue options sometimes don't resemble what shepherd actually says

>Retarded geth spidermen

>Override sequences are just a guessing game

>Several side missions where you have to destroy x amount of things in order to get on with the mission

>The thorian said it somehow traded with organics despite being isolated and unknown to them for centuries

>Faces that sometimes disappear in middle of a conversation

>Saren could have easily been shot to death way back on vermire in middle of that pointless conversation

>When first meeting the hanar prophet in the presidium (on the citadel) he said: "ah human, this one is greatly pleased to see you here on my decadent emporium when the codex establishes that they only use possessive pronouns among friends and family

>Councilor Sparatus (with a conversation with shepherd on saren) "he's playing you shepherd saren still has contacts on the citadel, he probably saw your earlier reports". When saren was revoked of his spectre status ages ago.

>Misewell call is Mass Defect

>>15889183

Other than shepherd not being allowed to do spectre actions on noveria (noveria isn't in citadel space). You are correct on the rest of your points.

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>>15889183

Spectre privileges are nuanced. Technically a Spectre can do anything, but in reality they are limited by politics. In the first novel Saren muses that he could just murder Anderson, but he doesn't because he knows that doing so would piss off the Alliance and they'd run to the Council and the Council might decide that appeasing the Alliance is worth giving up one of the Spectre agents.

So in theory Shepard could shoot his way through Noveria or through the Presidium for that matter, but if he did so we can assume the Council would step in and declare him rogue. After all, Shepard fucking up royally would be a good way to curb some Alliance power. That was the real reason the Council allowed Anderson to do a joint mission with Saren as a potential Specter candidate; it was all a ploy to damage the Alliance in the political sense. They knew Saren wouldn't give him a fair shake. (even though Anderson is too much of a moralfag to be a Spectre anyway)

>>15886695

>Not to mention that bear will just out run me when its killed my dog, its better to double team it

>

>And if you're not a complete fagot, you would be carrying a knife out in the woods, providing you're out of ammunition or guns

You are over-thinking the analogy in an effort to deliberately avoid the point. A better example is this: you wouldn't play basketball and have your team pass to the other team while the other team never passes to yours.

You've got to put your team first. Nobody else will do it. If you don't put your team first but everyone else puts their team first, and they do, then you are going to wind up under their boot. You will be vulnerable and will be preyed upon and perhaps, ultimately, destroyed.

>>15885418

Evil is subjective. I have no problem with the ethics of what Cerberus does. All that bothers me about them is the writing tropes continually used in Cerberus plot-lines.

ME2's problem is that it is the central plot of the trilogy just spinning in place. Nothing advances in the main story so far as the Reapers are concerned. ME2 should have had us investigating the origins and return of the Reapers, with that information setting us up to be able to stop them in ME3.

The story isnt filler if you consider it the final entry to the series, which you should since ME3 is just hot garbage. Besides that though, the real issue is that the lead writer wanted to write about one thing, which was touched on in Tali's mission, but the suits at Bioware/EA forced him to go another way and thats why it might feel filler.

Personally its my favorite. ME1 had more annoying issues, less interesting cast and ME3 might as well not exist because of how shit it is from beginning to end.

>>15888106

>When Vigil says "I performed analysis of the data" or something similar, it's just shorthand for "the research team performed analysis across decades" or something appropriate.

That's a load of bollocks. If Vigil was designed to have access to analysis tools then no that is exactly what he means when he says "I analyzed the data", he crunched the data collected from the anomalies and since they didn't ping as reaper or have indoctrination taint he immediately concluded that they must be non-Prothean organic life. Him blowing any other VI out of the water is a testament to Prothean coding skills since they figured out how to take a slice of one of their own minds and keep it frozen in time, unchanging and not capable of growth ensuring he can't go rampant.

>>15882269

Because the milkyway galaxy is a very large place with many unexplored worlds and unexplored solar systems? Just a playful thought. Also there's this little thing called black markets and the terminus systems (a pretty much lawless place). Cerberus could have easily bought all it's eezo from a place like Omega and completely avoid all unwanted attention. Other than the "fringe mad scientists" what did we even know about cerberus in ME1? Also, you may want to look up what a retcon is brainlet. A retcon is something that contradicts a previous entry within a story. Simply filling in the gaps of their organization is not a retcon it's just further describing who they are.

>>15883281

>She says Cerberus is less than a couple hundred people

Not at all correct. ED just states that there are a couple hundred agents (people with significant power within cerberus) ED never states that it's the foundation of the entire oganization.

>>15889183

>>The thorian said it somehow traded with organics despite being isolated and unknown to them for centuries

Literally what Shiala was for.

>>15795020

I already diagnosed all of this the first time I played through it in 2010. Also, the lack of Maako and the fact that Protheans look NOTHING like their original forms in ME1.

>>15890143

>Evil is subjective.

Not really.

>>15856998

fag.

>>15890143

>Evil is subjective.

You're objectively chaotic neutral aligment.

>>15883364

You absolute braindead motherfucker. Cerberus had access to a very large portion of the original Normandy ship back on at its crashsite, had encouraged the alliance to co-develop the Normandy, and also had double agents within the alliance military. It's not at all unreasonable to say that they couldn't have pulled it off considering the fact they could examine the original Normandy and had the blueprints to do it.

>>15891187

>You can't buy technology

>Then there is the relays

Not every solar system has a relay.

>So all it takes is one plume of heat from a faulty heat sink then that station or ship is instantly pegged

What are you talking about brainlet? Also:

>All those anecdotes

>>15891069

People also seem to forget that those shell companies that cerberus runs could easily manufacture the parts needed to actually build the Normandy. All you'd need to do is say you manufactured parts for something else in your records. Who ever implied that the workers had to actually know exactly what they were building and couldn't simply be lied to about it and that the shell companies had to be within citadel space? Nothing. That would be no more than strawman.