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030008  No.15765003

I've been planning to do this for some time, and some recent threads finally compelled me to post this. The charts currently floating around simply SUCK - many of them don't have explanations for games and the much of the games included SUCK. I think it's pointless to modify the current charts (I heard they come from 4chan anyway?) We have to start over.

What I want to do here is to have anons CLAIM A GAME that they want to review, so that effort is not duplicated. The review should include not just a description of the game, but WHY IS THAT GAME WORTH PLAYING - why is it on the chart? If you struggle to come up with the reasons, then maybe that game shouldn't be on the chart.

OK then, I wanted to claim Sid Meier's Pirates, but I will give it to someone else if they want to. My next choices are WipeOut Pure and Pulse. If no one takes these up I will write the reviews for them.

132e02  No.15765014

>3rd birthday is the first "good game"

Yeah, not even worth reading past that. I'll take any soulless AAA over that unholy nightmare of a shitfuck game.


e01d8c  No.15765020

File: d73f1d634a6a467⋯.png (2.4 MB, 1928x2040, 241:255, d73f1d634a6a4678b044f97ec1….png)

>anons have different tastes and therefore the simple concept of a recommendation chart is fucking idiotic because aside for whether it's broken or functional, everything else is subjective and it is impossible to make a list that everyone even mostly agrees with

You were so close to getting it right, anon.


030008  No.15765025

>>15765020

And yet the current shitty charts keep being circulated.

Taste is one thing, but you're recommending a game to OTHER PEOPLE. So you have to come up with actual reasons other than "I like it", and if you can't - it's not going on the chart.


38f465  No.15765042

>I think it's pointless to modify the current charts (I heard they come from 4chan anyway?) We have to start over.

The bulk of the ones made here recreated the base style, and then were meant to have things added or removed as anons thought at the time, since some things were notorious absent due to whoever had made them originally on cuckchan getting lazy/bored. It was especially so for system that were still current at the time, but weren't kept up to date.

The revision rosters were from post-exodus anon contributions, and will generally specify 8/v/ in the title as a means of at least being differentiated. The one you posted is not one of those; that one is a direct cuckchan one (the filesize range tends to also give those away, as does visual artifacting to compress it into the 3-4 MB or however much the limit there was). There was a previous effort for fixing and adding to the PSP one, but it never left the work in progress stage due to low amounts of contributions towards what had been deemed missing. Probably on account of requiring descriptions.

>What I want to do here is to have anons CLAIM A GAME that they want to review, so that effort is not duplicated. The review should include not just a description of the game, but WHY IS THAT GAME WORTH PLAYING - why is it on the chart? If you struggle to come up with the reasons, then maybe that game shouldn't be on the chart.

Good luck actually getting people to do that, at least in enough numbers to get something decent made with them. I'm simply saying that asking for people to do more than post a name or cover/box art tends to lose people's interest in helping, even for games they love.

>>15765014

The old cuckchan wii one also had the issue of using stuff like "take with a grain of salt" as justification for the likes of Metroid: Other M being recommended. I'm really not sure how those would get cleared at the time, even then.


cfa1ea  No.15765045

We should just make a wiki instead. That way anyone could recommend games.


a0d3c2  No.15765066

>>15765025

That doesn't tend to happen. Instead, people screech about what they consider to be a good game, mostly for subjective reasons, and eventually that sentiment gets thrown into the greater consciousness enough that it gains its own traction, and people start looking for reasons to confirm their biases. This then leads to the consolidation of consensus, which then ultimately dictates what appears on your "best of" lists. Lists are merely an attempt to further solidify the consensus as it has already been developed, which makes it easier for any and all newfags to just hop aboard and claim ownership of that consensus. Then, these same faggots perform their little song and dance and provide fellatio to the opinions that they've so graciously incorporated into their being, for no other reason than because they want to be part of your in-group or in the case of e-celebs, so that they can build their brand around your tastes and appeal to your sensibilities and make those Patreon-bux, and eventually this creates a fucking circlejerk, whose members have no idea how to think for themselves or how they'd assess something that hasn't already been ordained by the zeitgeist as worthy or not.

Instead of making lists, you should encourage people to play games they like, to think for themselves, and to cultivate the mental faculties that are required of someone who wishes to critically analyze their own tastes, the tastes of others, and the conclusions (and discrepancies) drawn from the fruit of the discussions that are had between people who can do these things.


cfa1ea  No.15765081

>>15765066

We could make "how to analyse games" informatics.


46210c  No.15765104

File: 5d935b1bd12b309⋯.png (142.89 KB, 345x450, 23:30, nopgoor.png)

Since this was made after both, I'm just going to point out that the Vita general thread is coordinating to replace theirs >>>/v/15764282 and there is already a thread discussing a wiki >>>/v/15761258

>>15765025

Even if a chart has questionable games, it's at least useful as a starting point for seeing what's out there.

>>15765066

>Instead of making lists, you should encourage people to play games they like

Curated charts are intended as a starting point. Broad lists are more for filtering out absolute shit though I'd question that with the current Vitagen chart.


dfd97c  No.15765359

File: b4039518b0c44c3⋯.png (408.69 KB, 2000x2887, 2000:2887, atari.png)

>chart thread

>nothing but walls of text

Here, I made a good chart better by adding defender 2, which is better than the first on atari 2600.


ce2aca  No.15765360

File: 92e6da1da79fe31⋯.jpg (108.51 KB, 600x750, 4:5, b325d2eb06cda7efabdd8c90e6….jpg)

>charts suck

Because you can't recommend every game for everyone. Everyone will have different tastes, it doesn't make a game objectively bad or objectively good. What we need is a sort of rating system that describes the sort of people you can recommend it to.

Here's what I suggest:

A = Can be recommended easily or to anyone with minimal interest, a true essential or representative of it's genre. Something like Super Mario 64.

B = Can be recommended to genre enthusiasts or fans of similar games. Highly exceptional for it's genre, maybe even one of the best, but it has a hard time appealing to everyone. Something like Banjo-Kazooie.

C = Can be recommended to those with particular interests. This will often be the most divisive or situational, what you see is what you get. Something like Donkey Kong 64 where the gameplay or gameplay styles doesn't appeal to everyone and quality varies throughout, but it's still enough to be enjoyable to it's particular groups.

Additional Ratings Modifiers: (applied without parentheses)

( # ) = Would rather much be enjoyed playing in order if it's in a numbered series. Likewise, games without this can be enjoyed as a standalone entry.

( // ) = More niche, the experience can greatly differ even between fans. Largely hit or miss or often situational, might include old or archaic game design.

( + ) = Pick up and play style of gameplay, more in line as an iconic game and has aged well.

( - ) = Requires skill mastery and investment, might be tedious or a turn off for some. Something for hardcore audiences who thrive off the idea of a challenge or being able to get through a game.

Here's how a full rating would work:

Super Mario 64 (Platformer) A+

Banjo-Kazooie (Platformer) B+

Donkey Kong 64 (Platformer) C//

Fire Emblem: Mystery of the Emblem (Strategy/RPG) B//-

Feel free to discuss or add on to this post, whether it be about how certain ratings work or adding more ratings modifiers. This rating system could be much more refined, so I'm interested to see your feedback. If you don't like this system, don't include it in your chart or explain why this wouldn't work.


46210c  No.15765403

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>>15765359

That's an Atari chart, of course there's no need for walls of text when the games practically speak for themselves.

>>15765360

If a list is entry-level you only need A, and if there's descriptions you could do away with the other symbols (plus they'd be better as icons like the Vitagen chart uses for release status and import-friendly). But if you were doing a more comprehensive list that wouldn't be too bad an approach.


ce2aca  No.15765447

File: c5ce38712b9fd2f⋯.jpg (7.86 MB, 2330x6740, 233:674, 1460761869830.jpg)

>>15765403

The idea is that instead of giving a wall of text for each game, you're able to describe it, who it would appeal to, and what kind of game it would be very minimally and easily, being able to type it out with any keyboard and text. And the point isn't that A is better than B or B is better than C or C is better than A. Some B and C games could be better A, only that A might have an easier time appealing to the widest variety of people and C taking the most dedicated. I see people argue about charts and lists all the time, so what I'm hoping is that this approach would tell people that maybe that game wasn't for them or that it's okay to dislike a game that can be objectively appreciated or vice-versa.


39e096  No.15765511

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I save all the lists that get posted even for consoles idgaf about. So I'm going to post what I have and you dipshits can tell me how fucking awful everything is. Then when someone "fixes" it I will then save and repost all of versions when the next thread is made. Lather, rinse, repeat until you all realize that /v/ will never agree on anything because there's always that one contrarian faggot that pretends to hate everything but refuses to tell you what their idea of a good game is yet you will listen to him anyway you fucking retards.


39e096  No.15765514

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39e096  No.15765517

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39e096  No.15765523

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>>15765517

>>15765514

some other /v/ lists are mixed in here. oh well.


e0ab42  No.15765700

>>15765447

That chart would benefit from in-game screenshots instead of boxart. What the game looks likes tells a lot and anon can go from there depending on his taste. It should also be sorted by genre.


328291  No.15765713

>>15765700

Yo, we are livin' the 90s! You don't need gameplay! Just play the one that has the cooler art!


5bcbf4  No.15765740

You would be better off making a spider graph rather than just a list.

If you like Mein craft you might like Arc, Rust and No Man's sky. If you like Arc you might like Far Cry Primal. If you like Far Cry primal you might like Crysis, Far Cry 2 and so on and so forth.


7a3250  No.15766455

Old charts are fine, they don't need to be redone unless it came post 2013/14 and most charts already were made specifically for this place.

At any rate all most would need are the few bad games on them to be trimmed and they would be great again.


5ac0bd  No.15766558

>>15765003

It'd probably be more feasible just to ask anons to name their top 5 or so games for each system, and then copy/paste a review from vsrecommendedgames.wikia. It's easy to get anons to list 5 of their favorite games, but a bit much for a full review.


5ac0bd  No.15766568

>>15765066

>Instead, people screech about what they consider to be a good game, mostly for subjective reasons, and eventually that sentiment gets thrown into the greater consciousness enough that it gains its own traction, and people start looking for reasons to confirm their biases.

This all just conjecture you pulled out of your ass.

>Instead of making lists, you should encourage people to play games they like

No anon, I just love playing games that I hate.

But seriously, OF COURSE you should go out and play random games just to see if you can dig up any hidden gems, the charts would be half as small if people didn't, but that doesn't invalidate the existence of charts. Charts are nice if you don't want to go through random games in your romset before you find something good, they're nice as a representation of a system's strong points, and a way of spreading the word on a game that you like. Do you just keep your favorite games a secret from other people? And the first part of your post about circle jerking is just nonsense, if you think a game sucks just tell people instead of keeping quiet and making it into some kind of conspiracy theory.


e8d832  No.15766805

>>15765360

I like this rating system. If anyone actually gets down to writing a recommendation for a game, it should include an appropriate rating. Likewise, the chart should obviously have a legend so people know what the anons contributing actually mean.


563efb  No.15766952

File: b1c556ab60aa6e9⋯.jpg (37.84 KB, 1200x900, 4:3, 1288005459475.jpg)

Guys, listen, listen. What. What if we were to make. What if we were to make a recommendation chart for recommendation charts.


0f4413  No.15768505

>>15765020

>>15765025

In terms of emulate systems, having a wide spectrum of "good" is decent as long as it points out games that are HIDDEN GEMS or aren't awful; Instead of having to wade through a ton of worthless games or skipping over decent ones.




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