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It's been a while since I played the game. This is the first Dragon Age, right?

It's a Bioware game so the answer to this and any other question regarding it is that Bioware is shit and has never not been shit.

>>15730857

>>cisquisition model

>really ugly

goes without saying

Because if it wasn't for that commoner Ferelden would be under the rule of the French and they would be slaves.

Threadly reminder that Loghain did nothing wrong

>>15730875

How does she see through that helmet?

>>15730944

he should have done his political shit AFTER dealing with the Darkspawn, hell, let them weaken the king's army.

Loghain had good intentions but his PTSD got the better of him and made him act rash and make dumb mistakes.

>>15730966

They forgot to include a visor or some other manner of seeing through that helmet.

Reminder to play the Thirst module, it's better than the DAO campaign=

https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonage/mods/3496

Vid related doesn't really go into all the different ways you can break in and how different backgrounds and so forth play into the shit

>>15730836

>Now why in the hell would the nobles of Ferelden be so eager to keep a daughter of a commoner on the throne? The commoner who most of them despise, who kept squeezing them for taxes and levies and who all but seized the crown for himself.

That's not the craziest thing. They evidently have different ideas of ruling, Loghain's being considerably more forceful and militaristic than Anora's, which is heavier on diplomacy and scheming. Even in real life succession crises and revolutions between brothers or parent and child are common enough.

>>15730842

Correct.

>>15730855

Yeah by rights when Anora backstabs you hard and basically tries to get you killed, it's a bit stupid that the most you can do is screw her out of the crown and not kill her.

>>15730944

He got an army killed just to off the king while he was going to need all the men ferelden could spare and in doing so also enabled the darkspawn to break through a key defensive position and start pouring into the countryside. That's doing plenty wrong, mate. It's not the best work as a general. The game never quite knows if it's trying to blame Loghain for throwing the fight or if it wants to declare that the fight was lost anyway (it hints strongly towards the former early on) and everyone was just getting themselves killed as retards.

>>15730969

The political shit makes damn little sense, to be honest. But I think his concern was that if the borders aren't secure the Orlesians will try to wreck Ferelden's shit while they're busy fighting darkspawn. They were also pushing the angle the Loghain doesn't truly believe it's a blight because there was no archdemon spotted yet.

>>15731165

>They were also pushing the angle the Loghain doesn't truly believe it's a blight because there was no archdemon spotted yet.

The Grey Wardens had already said it was a Blight, but for some reason the king and everybody else decided they knew better than the dedicated darkspawn slayers.

>>15731186

I know. It's fucking retarded.

>>15730836

I was under the impression that she was kept there because everyone feared Loghain. Remember it was well known among the nobles that Loghain didn't like Cailan so is not far fetched to think people suspected he was responsible for his death, especially when you have his soldiers speaking how they retreated from that battle.

>>15731186

Cailan kinda believed Duncan but he just wanted glory and shit

>>15731199

The justification was that "Gray Wardens are corrupt and mysterious. They probably just want power." Hell, in DA2 people still don't believe its a blight because the PC ended it so quickly.

>>15731291

Yeah man. Warden's Peak DLC (which is kinda ass and gives OP rewards) tells the story of how the wardens got kicked out of Ferelden centuries ago for attempting a power grab. Loghain suspects the wardens for this reason (and because he is a generally paranoid and skeptical fuck, a trait that has historically served him well). But, if he's a paranoid general, then tbqh he should just be fucking investigating and preparing for the off-chance of a real darkspawn incursion instead of dismissing it as "lol not a threat" but Bioware was being dumb.

FYI: Originally the writers' idea was to have Loghain off Cailan because Cailan was planning to ditch Anora and marry Celene and Loghain discovered this, which pissed him off twice over for cheating on his daughter and selling out the Ferelden he sought to protect, but this plotline got cut out from the final game, which made the betrayal more generic stupid, so for a while they were trying to sell that Loghain didn't really betray and the battle was just lost, which was even dumber. Yaaay.

>>15730857

What they did to Morrigans tits was a travesty

>>15730836

Maybe they liked the stank of her unwashed goopchute.

>>15731618

>WP

Retroactive justification for the retardation of the Ferelden leadership/Bioware.

>>15730944

He could have done some things better though, Loghain had the unfortunate combination of ruthless conviction and not enough accurate information the whole game I wanted to ditch bitch tier Alistair (even hardened he's barely tolerable) and have a chat with LMT, we could have smoothed things out so much sooner. The battle 'betrayal' just seems like prudence, Cailan was a hamfisted early WWI fighter, heading off to 'glorious battle' like his ancestors in a gaudy high-vis outfit, full of cocksure braggadocio only to promptly get minced to fuck by a military he'd never conceived of.

Didn't they retcon her to be a dyke in Inquisition?

>>15731865

Nah that's Celene, the Orlesian empress.

>>15731291

>because the PC ended it so quickly.

that really bothered me for some reason

>game goes on about how Blights last entire ages and bring down empires

>lol you beat it in like a week or two

they should have set it in magic not-ERE and made it a long war

>>15731686

what did they do, make them bigger?

I always kill logahin, put alistar on the throne and imprison anora. I want her alive so she can suffer

Because its BioWare fantasy. They love the medieval feel, the magic and weapons but they don't want what they consider the bad things from medieval fantasy. They don't want men ruling over women, they don't want class hierarchy, they don't want gays to be vilified and exiled.

>>15732813

It's hilarious Anora can have Alistair executed and yet you can't have Anora executed.

BTW: Is no one here playing Thirst? Damn.

>>15733092

I downloaded so I don't forget about it but it's in the backlog. Sort of read like the plot of DA2 but potentially good.

>>15733298

It's way too low on your backlog if it's next to anything DA2 related. Shit actually matters in Thirst and there are branching paths, different factions, and different solutions you can pursue to problems.

>>15730836

I feel bad for the younger people whose first western RPG was Dragon Age. Imagine being exposed to David Gaydar's writing with no immunity.

>>15730944

>Did nothing wrong

>Other than turn the nation against a group that could've stopped the horde

>Attempted to kill said saviors

>His actions at Ostagar actually fucks the whole country

Yeah, Loghain did nothing wrong. Fuck, I'd executed the fucker for that. Hero, my ass…

>>15731865

Why dykes though? Faggots are objectively worse. No wonder the French are willing to backstab their own Empress..

>>15730966

With difficulty.

Skyrim > dragon age

I was just about to create a thread to ask a BG2 question, the audience is probably the same so people will most likely answer here

I just checked and apparently Imoen Romance mode is done for ToB too. Is it worth playing? Last time I played it only had content for original game and I kinda liked it

>>15733490

They were willing to backstab her because she suddenly became a noble pacifist big on mage rights and elf rights and reconciling relations with ferelden (DAI Celene) instead of just being a scheming power-hungry bitch in sheep's clothing.

>>15733660

not really, they're both brainless games.

>>15733483

Cailan was fatally foolhardy, LMT would have gotten himself and his men killed if he'd stayed too. I don't blame the guy for leaving, they shouldn't have been there in the first place.

>>15733092

Getting Alistair executed made my day when I realised it was possible.

>>15733675

I remember there being something odd about it but I can't recall what it was.

>>15737302

But they were there to fight the Darkspawn and end the Blight early. If they just ignored it, then the Darkspawn would have invaded and ravaged the South even faster than they do in the game.

>>15737655

Yeah but they underestimated the coming force drastically, they were chewed up and shat out in no time, throw in LMTs and his lads and it'd save them for how long? Another half an hour?. 'Pick your battles' is clearly not an adage Cailan lived by and hubris on the part of some dumb surfer king is no reason to chuck yourself into an obvious meatgrinder.

Loghains actions are cast as traitorous just because he's not suicidally loyal to a green militarist with a bad idea, I just see pragmatism, granted he's also self-interested, paranoid and listening to shitty people which gives him the overall effect of being somewhat of a wrong-un especially if one absorbs whiny bitch Alistair's take on events but he's hard to cast as an outright villain. Misguided certainly, a civil chat 5 minutes after Ostegar could have cleared up the lions share of issues.

I have a special hatred for betrayers. However, Loghain fully redeemed himself in my eyes when he not only took on the Gray Warden's curse but was willing to sacrifice himself dealing the final blow to the archdemon.

When he proved that he genuinely cared about Ferelden's future in this way, I couldn't have him die.

I was ultimately disappointed in how it all ended, though. I had gone through the game without taking a lover. I had become very close to Morrigan but turned her down, even going so far as to kill her mother. After she throws a fit essentially asking "Why would you go to this length for me if you don't want to fuck me?" I gave the "Because you're my friend" line and from that point her opening dialogue always included "my friend." I thought the character development was super cool (for a video game) but when it came to the end, she tried to sell me on her plan to allow me to live by appealing to fame and wealth. My reaction was "Bitch do you even know me? You've only been in the party the entire game." I killed the archdemon myself.

If she had sold it to me as purifying/reincarnating that ancient dragon god back into the world, I would have been ALL IN. I couldn't give two fucks about acclaim or coin.

I clearly expected too much from this game after Jade Empire.

Aside, I also blueballed Jack in Mass Effect.

I really liked when Loghain found some correspondence that tarnished Cailan even further. This happens in the Return to Ostagar. He goes like: "That BASTARD!"

What's really funny is that if you make Loghain drink darkspawn piss and do Morrigan's trick, he gets sent to Orlais after the battle. I hope he makes the most of it getting on the frogs' nerves.

>>15738028

>bitch do you even know me

Kek, pretty much. Although unlike you I was actually tempted for a good 5 mins. But the thought of the blight being restarted and everyone dying for nothing kinda killed the mood.

It's really sad that a mediocre attempt at a fantasy RPG that blatantly copies half the fucking plot from other games is seen as something great due to being surrounded by a sea of shit

>>15738106

Restarted? It's been a while but I'm fairly certain her ritual would ensure that the dragon god would be born back into the world pure, untouched by the blight.

>>15738218

She brings the god back pure yes, but what’s tainted once can be tainted again. If the darkspawn get lucky and taints the kid it’s another blight all over again.

>>15738265

I think its supposed to be that the corruption was a one-time thing due to the initial burst of bad mojo when the mages entered the black city and were cast down and turned into darkspawn

You'd need another big event like that to corrupt the dragon again is what i think they're implying

>>15738206

I played it back when I was younger and thought it was cool but yeah, its really so-so, and looks really bad as well, the color palette is all brown and grey. I don't think its better or worse than say BG1, but that's not saying much since I found BG1 to be painfully mediocre. It falls into that same "if I really had a bunch of spare time to kill and nothing else" pile of CRPGs like Pillars of Eternity, but still better than the steaming pile that was that new torment game.

>>15738265

Weighed against the potential gain, a risk I'm willing to take. An opportunity too good to pass up were it not for my pride.

>>15738291

>The corruption was a one-time thing due to the initial burst of bad mojo

Was it? At that point in the game that was never specified maybe the sequels added onto the story but working with what I had I thought different.

>>15738349

Your pride might have saved everyone from another blight.

Everyone saying that Loghain should have trusted the grey wardens is forgetting that the grey wardens had tried to overthrow a king and were until only recently allowed back.

That's why Loghain didn't trust them. Plus they kept it a secret that only a grey warden can kill an arch demon. So Loghain could not have known that.

>>15730969

Loghain didn't know that the Grey Wardens were actually necessary to stop a blight, because they're secretive cunts who didn't explain that to anyone.

Let's also not forget that what he did worked in the end. He figured that letting the Orlesians in was both a huge risk and unnecessary, and because of his actions Ferelden beat the blight on its own without turning to Orlais for help.

>>15738613

it did work out in the end, but don't forget that he also sought to kill off the remaining wardens, who were the ones that rallied the armies and beat back the blight. It succeeded in spite of his plans, not because of them.

>>15738613

So you're saying that Loghain participated in 4d chess?

>put out order to kill the only people historically to ever end a blight

>they run around killing your shit tier soldiers and gathering literal armies

>they come back and rally the houses you neglected and outright destroyed with the help of (((Howe)))

>they decide who becomes the ruler of Fereldan and if you are even worthy of living and fuck your daughter's brains out

<I was only pretending

>>15738568

>the grey wardens had tried to overthrow a king

You mean the EXACT SAME THING Loghain attempted?

>>15739104

Did Loghain try to become king? I felt he saw himself as more of a steward who used his cunt daughter.

>>15739104

Loghain had reasons that got cut from the game shortly before release, see here: >>15731618

It was never really clarified what the hell Loghain's ambitions for the throne were though. Presumably he wanted to protect Ferelden from Orlais since that's usually Loghain's hat. It was all pretty underdeveloped on the whole though since he was just being played for a generic villain. You can kinda feel that DAO went through an extensive cutting process where they started deleting all kinds of shit to deliver a final product, and the game suffered for it.

>>15738177

>In reality she would be shoved aside and a cousin or brother of the old king would put on the throne, especially if he promised better benefits to the nobles

I'm pretty sure that there are no uncles or cousins of Cailan. The game makes it pretty clear that Alistair is the last of the royal line. There are probably some rather distant cousins though, but that's not really built upon. Whole setting is underdeveloped tbh.

>>15738613

>because of his actions Ferelden beat the blight on its own without turning to Orlais for help.

Strictly speaking the wardens had to scramble around for the dwarves and elves to join their cause.