/v/ - Video Games

sandbox are only as fun as you are. you're a boring person if you find sandbox games bad.

>>15729391

>worse gameplay than other games of the genre

>level design nonexistent

<you can't dick around in non sandbox games

"Make your own fun" is about as shit of an argument as "it's fun with friends".

>>15729400

you're gonna piss off the crysis fags who insist their techdemo is a good game.

>>15729400

you're not playing sandbox games, you're playing games with playground areas in them. FFXV is a perfect example of standard linear nonsense in an "open" world

>>15729390

>>15729400

>torpedo

>no inner monologue

>no imagination

>can't understand sandbox games

heh

>>15729400

>>worse gameplay than other games of the genre

Of what genre? Non-sandbox games with all the other features of the given game? That's just pure conjecture, I could give you examples where it's not true and you could give examples where it is true, it's a stupid point to make.

>level design nonexistent

Not necessarily true, it's just that it's not linearly designed. Do you really think that Hitman games have no level design?

<you can't dick around in non-sandbox games

Now that is factually true since it's basically the definition of a non-sandbox game.

>shit games are shit

Wow genius please become a game designer in my company nobody could've though of such godlike insight without your help.

play dwarf fort, wurm, conan, ark, rimworld.

>>15729426

>Do you really think that Hitman games have no level design?

Do you really think the Hitman games qualify as sandbox games? By that logic Thief would be a sandbox game.

>Now that is factually true since it's basically the definition of a non-sandbox game.

So because you can exploit the game mechanics to skip parts of the game and have fun, the Metroid series consists of sandbox games?

>>15729391

Most "sandbox" games are pretty shit now.

>>15729400

>>15729391

You're both extremely retarded niggers with no hope for acceptable taste. Sandboxes are defined by the number of systems you can interact with and how deep they are. Ubisoft Asscreed-esque games are the bottom of the barrel because they are glorified collectathons with drawn out levels and no good platforming mechanics like classic collectathons had. On the other hand, you have games like Dwarf Fortress (despite the UI) and Gothic, as mentioned in the OP. Hell, Gothic isn't even particularly deep with its systems; it rides its way to goodness on good quests, characters and dialog alone, kind of like Witcher 3 did.

>>15729437

You always have a multitude of options, any method of completing the objectives is perfectly valid, and while scoring (which is already outside the game) does largely promote the relatively few methods of doing Silent Assassin, there are special perks that you can get by mass murdering everyone, ie. Sushi Chef. If you want to specifically go for the definition that sandboxes must be pure open world, there's still obvious level design in a large portion of these games, some open worlds are completely handmade.

>So because you can exploit the game mechanics

You yourself say that you are exploiting the game mechanics and it's not a game feature, the game is designed to be played linearly, completing objectives in few, very specific pre-defined ways.

>>15729416

>kym

kys

>>15729427

This thread isn't about complaining about sandbox games, it's trying to establish a simple, easy to spread derogatory term describing the bland consolized AAA garbage.

>>15729429

>>15729453

I agree that actual sandboxes like df are a lot of fun to play and not bad games by any means. However, the term "sandbox game" has been corrupted to describe bland, static GTA like games consisting of subpar missions and side activites.

>>15729468

Sadly, Red Dead games would be good sandboxes if Rockstar wasn't so adamant about penalizing the fuck out of you for trying to have fun outside of the prescribed boundaries. The new one is a little better from what I've seen because there's way more opportunities for stealing shit, but still leaves a little something to be desired for overarching gameplay systems.

Make your own fun, its easier when you're a kid with an imagination I guess. The amount of fun I could have with an action figure alone or a couple of green army men was ridiculous. I remember dressing CJ up as a biker and going on road trips around los santos, stopping into towns and gas stations. You best stick to linear games if you can't make your own fun stories.

>>15729485

You can get away with a lot of shit if wear a bandana and leave the area quickly enough. The only problem is that train robberies are bugged and that saint denis is too strict with the law. Robbery is pretty pointless though from a monetary perspective since there is nothing to spend your money on and you get a shit tonne of money from just doing missions.

>>15729464

In Hitman, you usually have a singular objective to complete in each level and transition between levels upon completion. I would call that open/open ended level design, not an open world/sandbox. Again, do you consider Thief a sandbox game?

>You yourself say that you are exploiting the game mechanics and it's not a game feature,

exploiting the game mechanics != exploiting the game. Most of the mechanics of Metroid were intentionally carried over between titles, knowing they existed.

>the game is designed to be played linearly, completing objectives in few, very specific pre-defined ways.

Again, I would call that open level design.

>>15729390

Why not kill yourself for making this thread to show off how incredibly smart and clever you are by coming up with "blandbox", comedy gold right there

>confusing open world with sandbox

(i.e. single overworld containing portals to a parallel dimension where completely linear missions happen)

All GTA Games, MGS:V

>sandbox it should be called playground instead, but alas

>game has multiple missions taking place over large, separate areas with clear goals but a variety of ways to accomplish them

Hitman, Thief, Dishonored

>>15729485

>scooping literally everything possible from a train nets you a total of 20 dollars because you need to pay your bounty as the disguise system doesn't work properly

>BIGGER WIDER BETTER, except for story missions that are still a walky-talky until a third person shootout with grossly oversized enemy groups because god forbid the game has any weight and danger to its combat or rockstar figures out how to make their gameplay design not trash.

>>15729522

>torpedo brainiac still can't tell between open world and sandbox and thinks they're synonyms

it's okay, marketers get confused by that too.

>>15729518

>and you get a shit tonne of money from just doing missions.

Indeed. That's the other issue, the story missions totally undermine the sandbox aspects of the game. That's why everyone who buys them always looks forward to the online part, because Rockstar actually tries to design them as sandboxes. But muh high production value story is just too important. I guess I'm not one to argue, looking at their sales figures; they're definitely going to keep doing it now.

>>15729504

At that point, why not play a real sandbox like >>15729429 ?

>>15729525

>torpedo brainiac still can't tell between open world and sandbox and thinks they're synonyms

See >>15729468

>However, the term "sandbox game" has been corrupted to describe bland, static GTA like games consisting of subpar missions and side activites.

<it's okay, marketers get confused by that too.

That's my point.

>look everyone I invented a word

>Look at ID

I'm not even suprised.

>>15729391

If you're talking about actual sandbox games like From the Depths, Kerbal Space Program, Garry's Mod, etc. then sure, I agree. If you include open world bullshit like GTA and ASScreed, then no, you're fucking retarded. Only a few open world games have been fun, like the first Prototype, Spiderman 2, etc..

>>15729429

>df, wurm, rimworld

See? This nigga gets it.

>>15729559

What does being a torfag have to do with anything? Serious question, I've seen a few people drop this line and I don't get it.

>>15729565

It's a mix anger at hueniggers using tor to ban evade, torposters at /pol/ shilling their alternative imageboards (which created the torpedo meme), torposters being clearly visible and confirmation bias.

>>15729597

mix of*

>>15729391

This. I've been playing Far Cry 1, Deus Ex, Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and Crysis recently. I enjoy the multiple methods used to accomplish an objective.

Modern open world games are shitty collect-a-thons, but to claim that all sandbox games are bad is silly.

>>15729597

torpedo meme came from the fact tor users are pedos

>>15729390

hi kotaku journalist kike.

open world isn't the same thing is far faggot crybaby's cretinous term of Sand-US MADE-Box™®©.

There is plenty of info about this all over. Read it you fucking idiot.

>>15729485

stop playing sjw freakfests by control obsessed lunatics.

>>15729597

>>15729565

It's also the fact that Tor is compromised, so there isn't much of a point to using it.

>>15729657

Perfect Dark and Goldeneye are not sandbox games.

They're stage-based, not open world.

>>15729525

>Hitman, Thief, Dishonored

latest thief is shit, dishonored series is also shit.

Hitman has managed to redeem itself from the dumpster fire that was absolution. The "story" missions in each map act like a tutorial/tour of the map, but some are misled to think that's what you're "supposed to do". The only bad thing about the new hitman games is the built in wallhack "instinct mechanic". At least master difficult you get raped by any NPC that looks in your general direction so you gotta stealth properly.

>>15730174

Yeah pretty much, however

>intelligent discourse

>on /v/

>>15730174

Okay, now make them fuck.

>>15730267

I mean, if there's any saving grace, compare 8/v/'s catalog to 4/v/'s. Seeing 4/v/'s catalog after all these years and seeing the state it's in is like watching your childhood friend get fucked by 30 black dudes, it ain't pretty. Makes you appreciate that at least this board is moderated at all.

>inb4 go back to cuckchan

All I said was to look at it once to see the completely shredded state it's in and then leave.

Hate forced memes like this

How it should be:

>Anons start organically using "blandbox" in place of sandbox

>Usage spreads naturally

How fucktard OP thinks it is:

>EVERYONE START USING THIS WORD

>>15730367

This tbh.

>>15730367

Agreed

>>15730383

>tbh

out

>>15730243

Didn't that game use Gamebryo?

Anyway, I think the port for DOS of the original had way more atmosphere.

>>15729391

Impotent corporate shill is this desperate.